The HK P30 LEM is an Underrated Pistol
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- Опубліковано 6 кві 2024
- John Wick was right: The HK P30 is overlooked. The first pistol from the John Wick movie series was a tricked out HK P30L and maybe he got it correct the first time? @JamesReeves is at Langdon Tactical with Ernest Langdon himself to talk about why the Heckler & Koch (H&K) P30 and P30L, specifically the LEM versions, are extremely underrated. Watch as Ernest himself destroys a 10-10-10 test with his personal HK P30 and listen to a tech at LTT tell you why you've been sleeping on this excellent handgun.
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I wish HK would pay more attention to the P30 line and give us some of the updates they've done to the VP line.
Same.
I had the LEM trigger put on my USP and it greatly improved my accuracy on the first shots and my shot speed on strings. I am very happy with it.
Langdon is my gun Saint. ❤ He saves the hammer fire pistols I love.😂
The LEM does with a hammer exactly what the Walther P99 does with a striker. And no one on UA-cam has ever compared them to each other.
Thank you! Exactly! You can either have DA/SA or don’t decock and you have a long light SA followed by normal SA shots.
I feel like no one knows about it.
The Walther trigger has been the best trigger since the early 90s but no one has ever noticed or commented about that either
Exactly! I carry a P99c AS most days, and I'd really like to see such a comparison.
I don’t think so. I’m assuming you’re talking about the AS variant. That just makes the P99 function like a DA/SA. The LEM is more like a drawn out two stage trigger. Unlike the AS or DA/SA the LEM is still one trigger pull, like a striker, but with a better break.
@@K-bob_45 read my first comment. The AS P99 has 3 triggers. DA/SA, Long SA/SA, or SAO. The long, 4 lb SA is like the LEM
@@Sig_P229 I see what you’re saying now. I only remembered the decocked setting. Most of my experience is on the QA
Bought a P30V3 4 years ago. Trigger was awful out of the box. I was about to get rid of it decided to give the gray guns SRT a try. Made a big difference. Has been my bedside gun ever since. H&K shouldn't let these pistols leave the factory like that. Talking reshaping and coating a piece of metal.
I would not know personally but I heard several experts and guntubers say that the triggers suck because when making a gun H&K always are thinking about military requirements first, civ market second if at all. Thats why their triggers suck because militaries tend to lean towards shitty triggers (see milspec AR15 triggers) since its more safe then light/custom triggers in their opinions.
Its not just your gun, H&K has shitty triggers across their lineup almost.
Kinda just a little bitch if you can't handle their triggers
“Trigger feels like a condom full of broken glass.” - James
@@BruteDionmark 23 and VP9 and P30 dasa all have good triggers. Mark 23 is match grade
@@BruteDion 💯correct
The P30 ergonomics are outstanding!
My EDC is a HK P30sk LTT LEM. If I was starting my pistol journey all over again P30 LEM would be first purchase above my PX4, Glock, 92, P07, C2 or etc. Ergonomics are exceptional, controls are already ambi, magazines are plentiful (but not cheap), Sub 30 oz. carry weight, snag free with LEM, and once you get past HK’s horrible OEM DA/SA trigger somehow, it’s a joy to own.
I have owned all the firearms you listed and many more. I wish I had tried my P30SK LEM first as well. 🤦♂️
I have the P30 LTT and P30sk LTT. Fantastic pistols, and the LEM is fantastic.
Why do you care of ambi controls ? Is it because you're a lefty ?
@@tempofugo168 Yes, I shoot left-handed. The magazine release button location (standard on left-side) is usually the biggest failure point (dropped mags) on certain pistols of mine that are not reversible. HK ambi magazine release paddles are completely out of the way until needed. An ambi slide release is a plus but not necessary, and if designed wrong as an afterthought causes more problems than it solves..
What exactly do u mean by “once u get past HK’s OEM double action/single action trigger”?
I have a P30L and a P30sk, both LEMs....two of my favorite pistols and so much fun to shoot. I think this is one of those pistol designs that still holds up so many years later.
94‘000 rounds…insane
Smells like…..bullsh*t.
P30L with greyguns trigger set up and hk comp is bad mama lol!! Love it!!
I have been waiting for TFBtv to acknowledge the superior LEM trigger for years. Thanks James ❤
Best video you have done in a while. Thanks. Literally don’t know much about HK.
Crazy that HK is now an underrated brand. They don’t generate a ton of hype but they are still one of the best to ever make guns
I’ve got Langdon PX4s,92s and P30s. Love them all. The PX4 is the softest shooting by far. But as someone reared on Glocks and striker fired platforms, I perform the best with the P30s. Mine are all LEM and I chose the “extra light” trigger option. I’ve got nearly 4K through one of them, have cleaned it only twice and have had zero failures. In terms of maintenance they are second to none. Great guns. Supremely underrated.
Similar experience as well.
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I have the LEM p30 I'm about to send to LTT for a slide cut and I couldn't agree more.
Good that you giv them a bit more exposure. The Langdon Tactical (LTT) channel is full of great videos, especially how to master DA/SA, top drills. They need some more subs.
Really enjoyed, thanks
..."Depends on if you drive a porche and look like Hans Gruber"... 😂
Please, that hurts: Porsche
@@tacticalsapperPorch
@@GarfieldEnjoyer1878 Idiot :)
Please please start working on HK45s!
Been curious about the P30 series for a while, but as far as polymer DA/SA pistols go, the CZ P07 and P09 have been great for me for many years now.
Not a fan of the role pins but they're solid and withstood military trials, used by the Czech paratroopers if I'm not mistaken.
Picked up a P09 a few months back for stupid cheap (299.00) with the Omega trigger. It is better than my P30V3 was out of the box.
Is the P07/P09 hammer fired?
@@Motorman3538 yes.
As someone that went from CZ to HK, you'll like the P30 series more than the P-07/09. The frame feels a lot better when shooting it & you have more traction than you do with the P-07/09 (which, in my opinion, are slick as shit)
I got a P30V3 a couple years ago and did a grey guns trigger job with the flat face trigger and it’s a perfect gun. It eats any ammo type I put in it, it never has any malfunctions or issues. Couldn’t recommend it enough if you like DA/SA guns, if you like strikers try the VP9 match or tactical if you want a do it all pistol
Thanks for the insights
it's my favorite.
where can i get a holster for EDC?
thank you in advance
Ernest perfects guns, I am sending mine in, and my LTT px4 is here on Tuesday
Gotta love the proof marks on German guns.
They are the coolest
I've had a P30sk LE for years. Never had a malfunction. Absolutely love the trigger.
My EDC is a P30skV3 with the GreyGuns flat trigger, and their SRT I installed myself. I also have a grey market P30L SD.
Absolutely love my P30L from Langdon - easily my all time favorite carry gun
Definitely underrated! Absolutely love my p30
I love my P30L. I did everything Langdon offers except for the red dot cut myself years ago. Although, it's nice to see a good company making a great gun better.
Excellent pistol. Have it in most variants.
Love HK pistols and their LEM triggers. I've been contemplating sending my HK 45c LEM into LTT for a trigger job and optics cut. Just need to get off my duff and send it in.
They should do a Langdon Tactical Mk. 23
I have a P30SK I have wanted a red dot on. The panels are great to fit the grip.
I’ve got a DA/SA P30SK that I’ve thought about sending to LTT, but I like it fine the way it is.
I own a highly modified HK P30L with the LEM trigger. I put the 4.1 trigger with the grey guns short reset for it. Really nice.
I'd like to see if you can get footage of the full monty done on an SK variant vs a stock 30SK; most of the guys I know with a p30 have the subcomp for off duty/deep carry usage.
Doesn't even need to be deep carry. The 10 rounders work great for conceal carry. Then you can have the 17 rounders with baseplate extension for backup. Perfect carry gun imo.
I have an HK45 v7 LEM, one of my favorite guns of all time, perfect bear pistol for hiking, absolutely love the trigger. Next gun on my list is the LEM p30.
Never heard of this gun before, it seems really cool
I have 2 P30 . 1 is full size 4 inch , other is the compact P30SK. Excellent 9mm
Great guys better the conversation!👍🏻
Lol I can dream about getting groups like this even when I am slow firing :D
Ernest is a wizard with a handgun.
P30 is second only to the USP. Fantastic gun.
P30 is far superior to the USP
@@rhettdean4641 in terms of ergos and pic rail, yes, all others, IMO, no.
@@sorryocifferwhat is superior with the USP??
@@Catgat37 Durability. There is no harder tested handgun than the USP.
@@sorryocifferbetter ergonomics, better rail, better mags, better size, ambidextrous. I get the love for the USP and the Mark 23 is my favorite pistol. But the P30 beats them by miles. It's the modernized USP and the full realization of what the P2000 was going for
Where in az are you ? It’s very hard to find legal places to shoot. I know of queen valley , and many shooting ranges .
I hope to ome day soon be able to buy these in CA
I would love for Langdon Tactical to get their hands on a PDP PRO. It already has a great trigger but I would love to see their magic on it.
I was interested in some work being done on my P2000 LEM but LTT stopped working on them for some reason? It is a way more manageable size compared to the P30 for EDC
I finally have both. P30L LEM in 9 & 40😊
Super hard to find that 40. In LEM
Love this pistol
Favourite word of all gun youtube people: This "PARTICULAR" one...
and or HOW-EVERR
Oh, I thought it was ambidexTRIous
No, nothing beats the use of the word ‘tactical’, and only the misuse and abuse of the word ‘platform’ comes close.
I went back and forth on p30 or vp9 ended up with a vp9 and love it!
I'm on the P30 stage sitting on a stack of P30/VP9 mags thinking about getting a VP9. Unfortunately, I missed the four free mags promo. 🙄
Same thing I did. At the time being newer to shooting it was the right call
Now that I've got a lot more experience wish I had the DA/SA. But now that I know what I want and have the full size vp9. I'll get the p30sk, eventually. Though if tfb keeps making these type of videos the price isnt ever gonna come down 😅 been holding out hoping they'd be a little cheaper if they ever drop the stack and a half that was suppose to be coming.
JJR's legs are looking great 3:18
I also have the PX4. they are about equal in my opinion.
Incredibly underrated. I have two from Langdon Tactical (one P30, one P30SK) and I carry both depending on clothes. Perfect carry pistol, IMHO.
I had one, I didn't like the stock LEM trigger. The pre-travel has almost no weight to it and stacks too much right before break. I should have tried aftermarket tweaks like this. The P30 itself though is amazing.
Now I’m stuck on a P30 LTT OR a PX4 carry LTT. Which one for concealed carry?!?!?
I have a P30SK LTT LEM. It’s basically a subcompact size with great ergonomics. I find it’s best to pull straight through to the “wall” instead of focusing on the initial take up and hammer movement. When doing that it reminds me somewhat of a Glock trigger. I also have a P30L in DA/SA. That one has a pretty heavy DA but the SA is not bad. It’s very accurate. It’s another one you can’t baby the trigger, just pull straight through. They’re combat style pistols.
This is the video I need! This is my first love. And sucks that’s been sitting in my safe for a long time. I’ll definitely get the service from LTT. Thanks James
James, what model Porsche you rolling in these days? Look like a Macan kind of fella to me.
Top of the Line!
Any idea when the vp9cc is coming to the US?
That is the one I am waiting for.
Probably 2028 at the rate HK moves. 😢
There's not even so much as a whisper yet of it coming here. I really want it, but I will probably end up buying a P365 since you can actually get one.
@@Borderline5440the p365 has the worst trigger I’ve ever felt, you’d be better off with any other micro 9
@@masonboardthe Taurus GX4 has a much nicer trigger!
@@Lexicologist1971 that’s good to hear. I recently got a tx22 and absolutely love it. I’ve been looking at the GX4 carry
If they made a version of the p30 with a trigger like the VP9 (or at least a LEM without so much take up), I'd instantly sell my VP9sk for one.
I slept on the LEM for way too long. Recently picked up a used P30SK LEM in a pawnshop and it is phenomenal. The 17 round mags with pinky extension makes this one of the best carry options I have ever come across.
17 rounds in a sk mag?
@@noway6633 yup. They now have 17 rounders with the extended baseplate that comes out about an inch further than the 10 round pinky baseplate.
@@noway6633 Yep, that's what I carry. It (17 round mag) comes like that specifically for the SK; it's not just an aftermarket X-grip that slides onto a regular 17 round mag..
The standard flush mags they produce now, are 12 rounders too.
I wonder what Ernest would pick first the PX4 storm compact or the H&K p30 🧐
I've had him instruct me in a class this year; hands down PX4 Compact Carry would be his pick, because that's what he currently carries. I even got to shoot his PX4.
3:19 awe❤
Love my P30L v3. The trigger is over exaggerated it’s not bad. Grayguns it if you hate it that much but after a few thousand rounds it loosens up a lot.
I have a VP9 tactical, I really like its factory trigger. Is there any advantage the hammer fired P30 would have over my striker fired HK?
Yes, Thumb over the hammer of the P30 when reholstering will basically negate any chance of accidental discharge. Also, that hammer is bringing more force to the ignition than a striker pin (IMO). Also even though they are very similar, the grip ergonomics and grip texture on the P30 are better than the VP9 (I've owned 4 VP9's).
@@SectionChief thanks. I expected the VP9 and P30 having the same grip ergonomics.
I would also add something I just remembered: a double action hammer fire gun allows you to double strike a hard primer that fails to ignite the first time.
I own both, and find ergos to be nearly identical. Downside of hammer, if you're used to striker: first shot is DA and requires more trigger force than subsequent shots.
@@KKop thanks. I believe that the LEM trigger is basically a DOA with a light first trigger pull.
One potential disadvantage I see with the hammer fired guns is one extra entry point for dirt, but I’m sure the HKs are still very reliable.
Hammer fired guns also are usually a little heavier, have shorter barrels for the same overall size, a little higher bore axis and are definitely more complex to detail strip and change parts. Not to mention the complexity of manufacturing also makes them more expensive.
In my humble opinion, the only palpable advantage of a hammer pistol over a striker fired gun is the extra safety during re-holstering like SectionChief said above. If that’s a deal breaker to anyone, many manufacturers offer versions of their striker fired pistol with manual safeties (many only available to law enforcement, like Glocks sold to Latin America).
Overall build construction is superior on the P30 over the VP9 by quite a margin, especially after comparing the two side-by-side. The one benefit for hammers is, they have an easier time shooting out gunk from the action than strikes do, and they tend to suppress better too.
It's also worth mentioning that hammer guns are harder to fully disassemble - but HK's hammer guns are the easiest IMO to fully teardown
If you end up wanting to get one to try, I'd recommend going with the LEM. While it's called a DAO trigger, it's really not. You've got the take-up for that initial shot, but after that it's literally like an SAO gun. I'll say it, as many have, the LTT LEM trigger is as close to a 1911/2011 trigger that you can get without having one.
LTT P30L DA/SA owner. Its awesome
Just received my PX4 from Langdon Friday. Can’t run a full mag reliably. Going back
My LTT PX4's had some failures to return to battery and stovepipes initially but cleared up eventually when I started using more 124gr NATO spec ammo instead of 115gr (& my PX4's definitely dont like steel-case) and also lubed it up more. Basically mine needed a break-in period of about 300 rounds, but I didn't know that going in.
@@SectionChief I tried multiple types of ammo. And put 250 rounds through it with zero improvement in feeding. No stovepipes for me, just failure to feed/go into battery. And it was consistent. 50% of the rounds fired had a failure.
@@PaulyP_13 I hear you! Most of mine were failure to feed/battery so I understand exactly what you're experiencing. The only other 'suggestion' is to be mindful of where your thumbs are in relation to that big/tall slide. Pretty easy to ride it and slow down that return, whereas with other pistols (i.e. Glock) it wouldn't matter..
If shooting the pistol one-handed, reduces or negates the feeding problems entirely then it may be the support hand thumb inducing the problem when shooting two-handed. To this day I occasionally induce malfunctions, especially when shooting 2011's, and cause the return to battery to be slow/sloppy and realize it's my thumb doing it not, the ammo or the pistol. I am also left-handed so that doesn't help either since that side of the slide (ejection port side) is not as smooth as the other side of the slide.
@@SectionChief tried different grips, thumbs placements, limp wristing, one handed. Nothing improved the issue. They are on the hook for this one
Thanks to this channel I now want a px4 LTT and a p30 LTT. I’m too broke. 😢
I always forget E.L is a fellow AZ guy. I got too get my 92 over their for some Ernest love!!
Hmm, I bought one of these YEARS ago and after shooting it I put it back in my safe and it has stayed there ever since. I have the one with the LEM module. If I remember correctly, I had the surprise second shot before I wanted one syndrome with it. Holding the trigger back and then getting reset it would go off before I had my sights realigned, so I thought that the trigger was way too sensitive for carry. I just checked the pull weight on my gun and in LEM mode it is around 6 to 6.5 pounds and 12.5 in DA mode. Hmmmmm. Has anyone else had this experience with these? Also, can this issue be addressed by Langdon assuming it is not just an issue with ME, lol.
if they got a metal frame version i will absolutely buy
Had no idea that James was “Yeah-Yeah” from the sand lot until this episode.
Own 2 P30L's V1 and V3, will be getting the Langdon treatment for both
I just wish HK would release a P30L OR or P30 OR variant. Factory optic ready would be incredible.
Wildly under-appreciated. My P30SK and P30L will eat anything. They DO. NOT. MALFUNCTION.
I love both the P30sk LEM and Beretta PX4 Compact Carry. The PX4 has super soft recoil but the P30sk has been the more reliable of the two.
Great guns, the reason they are underrated is that they are a pain / expensive to get milled for a red dot.
Had a buddy who put himself in debt buying a P30L. Absolutely hated the trigger. I'll definitely try the LEM version though, because the first trigger pull on the normal P30L is passable for a safety standpoint. But the reset and clunkiness for follow-ups, along with the price tag left me questioning my friends life choices
It's a gun that subtly says to you "do you really want to shoot this person?" before you get yourself into trouble.
I bought an P30 LEM and had Langdon do their magic on it. It’s a sweet gun. It’s actually for sale at SC Shooter’s Choice if anyone is interested! Had no issues with the gun but just trying to shrink my collection a little bit.
Can anyone recommend holsters for the P30SK and the regular P30 with a red dot?
I have picked up some good kydex for a P30L, P30SK and HK45 from Muddy River Tactical.
My P30 holsters are from JM Custom Kydex, ANR Design, and a company called Black Rhino. P30SK fits in P30 holsters.
Thank you for the info.
Odin makes great holsters I use them for my p30l can’t even tell it’s their
At first from the thumbnail I thought it was a High Point. :)
Nice guns, but I like HK USP compact 9mm the most, da/sa and LEM. Next favorite would be p2000, last would be p30 but can’t beat HK pistols. LTT knows all the great guns, beretta storms and HKs
I always wanted this gun. I carried a P2000 with the LEM trigger in .40 for over 15 years in the Border Patrol. It was extremely accurate and I didn’t mind the trigger. I always hoped we’d switch to the P30 but then striker fired guns became the rage and we finally switched a couple years ago but to a G19 or G47. I went G19 and I hate it.
I have a P30L da/SA and I have 27,000 rounds through it on all original springs. Not a single malfunction or stoppage. The trigger that everyone whines about gets significantly better with use. It's not my only handgun or my favorite, but if it has to work and can not break down. That's the gun I choose.
Then send that P30 LEM to Rick at Lazy Wolf to work his MRAP magic and you have yourself a gem
We only saw James from the waist up. TFB TV videos are always better with gun shorts.
Looks like the HK check just cleared
3:19 Them legs 👀
Had to check twice to make sure it wasn't James 😂😂
Yup. Ryan was the dog in that shot. And our dawg for it.
I want to trade in my Vp9sk with red dot for a p30sk one day. My P30L with grayguns trigger is pure bliss.
Yes, OD green!! Correct answer.
I EDC a P2000sk LEM, keep a P30 on the night stand
I have an LTT P30L. BEST GUN I OWN!!
I was so excited about making my HK fit my hand from three different points of contact. “I’m gonna try a small backstrap with a medium left panel and large right panel!
Nope. Mediums all the way around. They work great. Sigh.
Its the og wick gun, just an added comp. But still a p30
His was a P30L with the V3 trigger. The comp in the film was just a prop.
“We are here at LTT”
I don’t see any short Canadians….ooooohhhhh wrong LTT.
When did Ian give you permission to use his range?
The HKP30 is an awesome weapon. But with the LEM trigger not so much. Get the v3 variant.
Keep this baby handy at all times she rocks and she rolls