HK’s Weird Trigger System and the P30SK
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- Опубліковано 23 лис 2021
- If you've never fired a Heckler & Koch pistol with an LEM trigger, it's kinda hard to explain. A lot of people think it's just a light double action, but that doesn't really do it justice. Today, we're looking at what is really unique about the LEM trigger, as well as a brief review of the HK P30SK -- the subcompact variant of what some consider to be the best pistol HK has ever made.
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On using the trigger finger on the mag release -- about half the comments have mentioned this so far, so I'm pinning this comment to hopefully address it. The preferred method of using the HK paddle mag release is to press it with the trigger finger. But this doesn't work for everyone, myself included. It's just too far back and I have to shift my grip to reach it with my finger tip. It's much easier for me to shift my grip the other direction and use my thumb on the left side of the paddle. My finger just don't work like that. YMMV.
I use my middle finger of my on my VP9. Much easier than the trigger finger for me.
@Patrick I've used my middle finger on the larger paddle releases on some Walther pistols, but it doesn't work on the HK unless I shift my grip.
@@LuckyGunnerOn both my VP9 and VP9 SK, I use my trigger finger with great success. However. my Walther PPS M1 requires me to use my middle finger. I believe the thickness of the handgrip may have something to do with this.
@@Patrick-zm8jp This
I also find it to be too far back. I have a Walther and love the paddle on that. Tried an HK at a store and the paddle location made it difficult for me to reach.
Mr Baker, please continued reviewing and talking about DA/SA guns for concealed carry. The table of guns you included in a video about the difficulty of finding concealable DA/SA guns is a godsend. I would love to see reviews of each of those guns, especially the CZ P-01 and P-07 and Rami.
Agreed. I also would love to hear his thoughts on the P-01.
If you haven't had the opportunity to try the P07, I highly recommend it. It is a bit tricky to find an affordable holster for it (currently wearing mine in an appendix holster from comp-tac, it's not terrible but not the best), but it's one of the more accurate handguns I've fired, at least for me. Any CZ is a thumbs-up from me.
@@mangofett927 try McKinatec or Crossbuilt armory.
MCKinatec doesn’t have the P-07 listed but he said to order the P-10 and add a note on the order details. I have one for another pistol from him, and I’m about to order one for the P-07 w a light.
I love my P-07, love DA/SA guns now because of it. Id love to see a review on the P-01 though and other da sa sub compacts
May I add p2000sk into the list ? Thanks.
I have the P30sk with the light LEM trigger. It’s fantastic. Side note, my 75 y/o mother is taking her ccw class in a few weeks and of all my my pistols she chose this one. Granny is going to show up for the 2 hour range portion of the class and pull out an HK. I would love to be able to watch the look on the trainers face when that happens.
I'd pay to see that video.
I got a good chuckle out of this , hope your grandmother is well.
I appreciate your passion for DA/SA. It’s a breath of fresh air in this striker fired world.
For those wondering about the paddle mag release, if you have big hands it doesn’t require you to adjust your grip if you use your thumb, however, if you use your trigger finger to hit the paddle mag release on the other side, you will probably never have to adjust your grip regardless of hand size. It’s also more efficient than a button release IMHO.
Good point. I use the middle finger of my shooting hand, and prefer it to button releases.
This works for a lot of people, but it's not a universal thing. I have never been able to operate any paddle mag releases with my index finger on HK or Walther pistols. Using my thumb requires far less hand contortion than using the trigger finger
The reach was not a problem for me, but it still required me to adjust my grip because it needed quite a bit of force to push that lever down with such tiny bearing surface. However, P30 may be better in that regard, because my experience, if I recall correctly was mostly with USP series.
@@echo_research_and_development I remember initially my fullsize USP lever new out of the box was quite stiff, and I simply could *not* push it down with my index finger at the time, I had to use my middle finger. Eventually it worked in well enough that I could use my index finger to push down the mag release no problem.
My wife releases my paddle often and both she and I love it
Love to see a new lucky gunner video :)
Looking forward to getting my carry permit soon, the content on this channel has really challenged me to improve my shooting and be a better, more responsible gun owner. Keep up the good work!
LEM is life!!
LEM for president
You still selling that shitass pepper spray, piggy?
P30sk in single stack and .357 sig would be awesome!
It's like the trigger travel distance of a double action, with the pull weight of a single action. The only problem I've had with them is how far back the trigger actually breaks. The travel is already pretty significant (which is a safety feature), so having it break a little further forward wouldn't be an issue imo. I think Grey Guns has mods that change the trigger in a few ways, like shorter reset. Not sure if it changes the break point though.
I agree. The break point could stand to be a bit farther forward and I don't think it would sacrifice the safety benefits of the long pre-travel.
The GG kit does not change the break point, but it does significantly reduce over travel after the break, which is a noticeable improvement.
@@0dayExploit That would be the reset.
@@SnapD24 no, I am talking about the overtravel. That is different from reset length. The GG kit helps with reset, as well, and that’s what most people think about, but I’ve found the change to the break (overtravel is part of that) to be more just as good
Grayguns flat trigger increases the breakpoint length and decreases the overtravel. Matched with the GG short reset kit it produces a pretty darn good trigger.
I have a P30L with the DA/SA I upgraded the reset with Gray guns. It feels really crisp and sharp, way more accurate than I will ever be. Overall I love this series of HK pistols.
Watched it again, really really good video. I really learned a lot. I am a fan of lucky gunner and a multi time buyer. I also so appreciate how you always take the time to return all of my emails when I have questions. I am new into firearms and I have learned so much in the past year
Thanks Chris ! Always appreciate what u do and what u bring. Top notch 💯🤙🏻🇺🇸
I love my two H&K LEMs, P30 and the P30sk. I don’t even think twice when I have to eject the magazine. Other gun with their button release requires me to break my grip. Only nitpick is the trigger reset is a bit longer than other guns.
I used to have a P2000 with the LEM system. It was absolutely a fantastic pistol and I loved the trigger. I wouldn't hesitate to pick up another gun with that kind of user experience in the future if I had the need. The ambidextrous mag release was great since I'm left-handed, and unlike with most semi-autos I never experienced an accidental mag-drop.
I have a P30SK-V3 (standard DA/SA w/de-cocker) with no manual safety. It's been my primary EDC for about 2 years now. I won't sugar coat it. The DA trigger pull takes some effort to master. IMHO, the excellent ergonomics of this pistol cannot be under-stated. This thing simply feels good in my hands. I can reach the paddle mag release with the trigger finger of my firing hand, without adjusting my grip. I also like having the de-cocker on the back of the slide, right next to the hammer. I can de-cock, then move my thumb slightly to the right to cover the hammer as I re-holster. For me, the size and weight strike the perfect balance between conceal-ability and shoot-ability. As a resident of the Commiewealth of Marxachusetts, I'm restricted to 10-round magazines. So, I see little reason to switch to one of the new generation double-stack compact at this time. I may reconsider in a few years when I retire and move to free state.
Thanks so much for your post! I also live in MASS and have been considering the EXACT gun you have. I'm more of a newbie, but have done a ton of research and think that this is the perfect all-around 9mm handgun. I have the start of arthritis and am very curious about the ease of racking the slide and use of all the controls. As a fall-back, I'm also considering the S&W M&P 9mm EZ Performance Center; however, the HK would be my first choice (unless the controls are too difficult for my hands). Any comments are welcome and very much appreciated!
@@sissydreams7494 i have both firearms you want. The p30sk slide is rather simple to rack but my wife has weak hands and multiple sclerosis so i can purchase the EZ for her she loves it the best thing i would suggest is to go to a range and rent both firearms and shoot them before you buy. She cannot rack the p30sk but she can handle the EZ with little effort
Great stuff Chris. I find your videos extremely well thought out and really informative. I'm a new shooter and am just getting used to my p365xl. I've been doing a lot of draw/dry fire drills with a great kydex holster. HOWEVER, after a lot of thought and before I get too comfortable with a striker fire pistol only, I am considering going to a DA/SA or DA/SA with this LEM variant as my EDC, precisely for the safety reasons you've brought up and b/c that fits my comfort level better. I don't have large hands and I handled a non LEM HK p30 yesterday and loved it. From the ease of racking the slide, to the grip, to the hammer.......all of it. So I'm considering the HK p30SK OR staying with a striker fire pistol but getting a hellcat with manual safety or Shield EZ 9mm with external safeties. I'm torn and these days it's not easy to find all of them and compare them. I don't want to go too small with a striker fire gun and then hate practicing with it b/c of recoil and poor accuracy (ie: shield, which I hear has more snap than a regular Sig p365). The added weight of a sub compact DA/SA seems to mitigate that. Any advice would be appreciated as I continue to seek out other guns to handle and hopefully shoot before I buy
I've been lucky enough to only ever need one gun, a V1 p30sk and it's impossible to get anyone to talk about it. Thank you for this video 😭😭
I think this is definitely up there for my pick if I could only have one handgun. Either that or the p2000 or full size p30. Can probably still ccw the p30 wit the right holster selection and clothing.
I have it plus the grey guns short reset kit on all my USP's. phenomenal trigger mods for phenomenal pistols.
I agree with some of the others here. Your coverage of DA/SA guns keeps me coming back. It sets you apart.
I have a P30 sk as my edc and love it. Great ergonomics and very accurate. I wanted a DA/SA pistol for that extra safety I get holstering. I carry iwb and it’s comfortable and concealable. Trigger isn’t LEM but one of the best I’ve shot. Totally agree with your comments.
I don't know why but you are so entertaining and I love your videos. Keep it up. Your voice and ways to speak makes it easy to listen to
Just want to give a big thanks to Lucky Gunner today on Thanksgiving, you guys put out some amazing content!
I appreciate your dedication to DA and its related actions. Striker is nice, I carry one after all, but you can't write off hammer guns. There's more nuance to it, and I appreciate that folks like you, DB, and others, have been bringing that to the table.
I actually just got a first year P239 DAO recently, likely going to get converted to DA/SA when I have the cash to get the parts off Numrich. It's a phenomenal piece and I wish there were more like it on the market
I love both my P30SK with the LEM trigger and my P30 that I installed the LEM trigger in to it while keeping the decoker. I agree a single stack p30sk with optic cut would be cool and I would buy one.
Been EDC my V1 for 6 six years now. Split times aren't great but I do appreciate the added safety of the hammer and LEM pre travel.
I have the LEM trigger on my HK45C and I find it incredible. As for the paddle mag release, I don't get the hate. I just use my trigger finger or middle finger to depress it. I don't have to shift my grip any more than a normal button release.
I agree with you 100% My PK 2000Sk LEM and Walther P99AS have the paddle style mag. release and I much prefer it over a button!
Honestly I think I adjust my grip less for paddle mag releases than for buttons. The paddle is great!
I carried P30 with LEM trigger back in Europe, since I moved to USA I've had a P2000 with LEM trigger. it is really a good design taking positive features from both striker fired and hammer fired systems.
I'm very happy to see this video. The LEM trigger is the main selling point of an HK pistol to me. The pitch is _most_ of the safety of a DA/SA with decocker, but a more consistent trigger pull that is light ever shot, just longer on the first. It's the only reason I've considered carrying an HK P30SK (or possibly an P2000SK). I do believe in it's concept that the length of the first shot trigger pull is more important than the weight in preventing an accidental or negligent discharge. Is it better than a DA/SA with decocker, normally my favorite type of pistol? Maybe. I just wish there were more, and more appealing, guns to shoot it with. If you're looking for a carry gun, these are on the large and thick side, and expensive and exotic. And despite the price lacking some more modern factory features like optics cuts. Still, I'd love to try one.
If Chris keeps shooting the P30SK LEM, I'd love to see a follow-up video after he gets used to it. It's one of the most appealing carry pistols for us DA/SA enthusiasts, and the unusual LEM trigger is worth experimenting with. It's high quality, almost subcompact polymer-framed pistol of a decent size and weight most consider acceptable. Yet it's got a hammer and has DA/SA and LEM options. There aren't many guns like it on the market. Thanks for the video.
Fantastic breakdown on the LEM and P30SK. Thank you. Keep killing it. 🫡
Great video as usual. I have never been into HK handguns. The LEM trigger is interesting though. Would really love to see some videos on the CZ P07 and P09.
Hi Chris. Can't wait for your review of the Springfield XDE 9mm. Great work on your content.
Greetings from Cape Town.
I find the paddle release to be far superior for my smaller hands. I use my trigger finger to push down on the right side of pistol and never have to break my grip.Having smaller hands that is rarely the case with button releases
Spot on. Paddle mag release is superior. No question about it.
Thank you for your very helpful videos, Chris. Your analysis, content, production value, and relatability are top notch. If I had to rely on just one gun tuber, you’d be right up there as my top EDC choice! If folks carry appendix as a defensive weapon and they train with it in order to run it properly…and they’re looking for the safest option available, the H&K P30SK LEM (V1 trigger variant) should be very high on the list. Chris’ review of the Beretta PX4 compact with mods (which he carried for awhile) greatly influenced my thinking in this regard. The HK P30SK has several things going for it that make it a unique contender for the above use case: 1) It’s flat shooting and super reliable, 2) very concealable with a 10 or 13 round mag, certainly no thicker than the PX4, because the LEM HK features that very rounded and concealable profile including it’s bobbed hammer. But there are 2 additional features that truly set it apart from the PX4: 3) It is hammer-fired (meaning it’s the safest appendix option for reholstering when using the thumb-on-hammer technique) without the downside of the typical DA/SA pull weight difference…just a longer 1st pull (which makes it more ideal for defensive purposes considering the caution needed with the initial shot yet with light/consistent follow up shots. Plus, 4) the grip is MUCH more ergonomic and customizable (and because of the ergonomics you can confidently use a “pinky underneath” two-finger grab if you are preferring to use the 10 round mag for concealability. 5) It’s also unique in that it’s fully ambidextrous out of the box with the slide-catch and mag release. And with those unique paddle mag releases the gun is easier to dump and reload mags than many other subcompact or micro-compact pistols….regardless of the size of your hands or length of your thumb. And finally, 6) you get all of these benefits without having to decock your hammer-fired gun in order to keep it as safe as possible in the holster. What other gun comes even close to matching that setup for the use case of defensive AIWB carry?
Yes, to Chris’s point, there are more modern micro compact pistols with higher capacity and the P30SK LEM has what Chris calls a “weird” trigger. It’s unique for sure. But for the defensive appendix carry consideration (for the occasional or well-trained CCW holder) the P30SK still stands out from the crowd (weirdly and beautifully). As such, it not only is a design that was ahead of it’s time, but is still very much a front runner. This is why I sold my Sig P320 Compact (along with subcompact frame that I originally bought for deep concealment). Chris’ thoughts on DA/SA are largely responsible for that decision. And now I have a Sig P229 (which shares the same grip angle as the HK’s) that I carry in the winter and have available at home for home defense, and I can utilize my HK P30SK (with 10 rounds + an extra mag ready) as my EDC at any time. Anybody who insists that a 10round mag isn’t enough for them and that they need two extra rounds to make their EDC perfect…those are the same people who can’t predict if two extra rounds will be completely sufficient…meaning that they probably need to carry a second mag anyway. Which I do, when possible.
Now, if every striker fired gun had a manual striker safety control device (like the aftermarket one sold for the Glocks)…that didn’t require you to take it off safe in a self-defense scenario (like 1911’s and other thumb safety guns), then this would be a very different discussion and I might be carrying a striker pistol AIWB. Like the VP9SK. BONUS: what other manufacturer gives you two virtually identical subcompact carry options while giving us our choice of hammer vs. striker?
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I have a P30SKS V3. I really like it, and a Viridian C3 is a perfect fit. Great home defense pistol. The V1 LEM trigger is an acquired taste; years ago I had a SIG Sauer P229 with the DAK trigger, and I never really got used to it.
Excellent info! Happy Thanksgiving, Chris!!
Have the V3 and love it. I must be 10 yrs behind the curve! If I need to use it, I want the travel and the weight - just to be sure it's not negligent. Agree - more new small DASA pistols please. Beretta PX4 is also outstanding!
i agree.! i have a vp9 and love it and dont think ill sell it ever. "GO to WAR" gun how i feel about it. but i recently picked up a big boy, CZ P09 and i love the DA/SA. i wanted the p30 but couldn't find it ever got the vp9. seen the p30 but wanted the bigger barrel so i went cz.
Very helpful. I’ve recently started using a P30L and wow is it very different from a striker fired platform. Little bit of adjustments with grip size, and some training, and I can see improvements.
I could never get the hang of a DA/SA trigger especially the weight of the first pull. LEM trigger is the only way to go, same trigger pull every time like a striker and extreme reliability and reholstering safety of a hammer fired gun.
Chris - try using the middle finger of your firing hand to release the mag instead of your thumb. You won't lose your grip position and it makes it a lot easier to engage.
I love my P30SK and P30L, and my dad loves his P2000SK. If HK ever makes a slim DA/SA or LEM optic-ready option (like the size of a Sig 365), I’ll be right in line with you.
I owned a carried a P30 LEM and it is indeed a great gun! It was a bit big for my frame and I had to conscious of clothing choices for the year that I carried it. I soon transitioned to the Px4 Compact. I like the LEM trigger more than almost any DA/SA. Maybe I should look at the P30sk LEM. Very similar in size to the Px4 Compact.
Recently got a P30SK LEM, and really liking it for CCW. Going to get a GrayGuns trigger kit eventually. Plan to get a P30 LEM in the future and have Lazy Wolf work over the full size.
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Finally, my EDC gets its own Lucky Gunner video! Today is a good day!
The Walther P99 (and the Canik TP9DA that's based off it) has a similar system with the Anti-Stress mode where racking the slide will cock the striker (with a visible striker indicator on the back), but leave the trigger location still in the double action length. Then you have a light but still very long trigger pull that results in you first moving the trigger back to the single action position before going onward to shoot.
It does have a decocker on the slide that you can hit, allowing it to turn back into a true double action. And since the striker on the back is both visible and moves, you can "ride the striker" when reholstering as well. It's not quite as good as a true hammer in that it is less noticeable as a small striker rather than a hammer, and you can't prevent it from firing if you hold the back of it, but you can visibly and tactilely notice the striker moving if something's catching on the trigger.
I really wish the P99's trigger system caught on more, but unfortunately even Walther themselves moved away from it in favor of the standard, Glock style trigger which I loathe.
Because the decocker button is also a striker block safety, you can press and hold the button when holstering a P99 for added safety as you similarly could by thumbing the hammer on a traditional DA/SA pistol.
I have a .40 P99AS, and I like it much better than the PPQ/PDP.
P99 was seriously the pinnacle of Walther
Having converted a USP and a P2000sk to LEM I'll say I'm a huge fan. Does take some getting used to and I can shoot striker fired guns faster, but the logic behind the LEM is sound and makes for a very comfortable AIWB carry weapon option.
Picked up the P30 V3 DA/SA with the decocker and Safety a while back. I hated the trigger, and installed the Gray Guns SRS. Made a big difference. Reduced weight, travel, and the reset. I was about to get rid of it before installing the short reset system.
He just called cops, novice gun users. Good observation.
The HK P30SK LEM is and has been my EDC for a few years now. I love this firearm, and hard to find a better firearm to re-holster.
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I love my P30 sk in sa/da . I love the paddle release as a lefty
I just bought the LTT LEM version, and the trigger is phenomenal.
Nice job with this video. I have a P2000Sk 9mm with an LEM trigger and it's the finest all round carry pistol I have ever owned in 40 yrs. Thirty years of that in Law enforcement. To me it's like a nice single action trigger with the a safety margin built in. The overall quality/reliability of an Hk pistol is second to none and better than most in my opinion and I've owned about every brand there is! . They are simply premium grade handguns that command a higher price! I like the idea of a hammer fired pistol personally. I really like the paddle style magazine release as well! I much prefer the added grip length over the G26. Thanks for sharing!
informative, to the point, no influencing strong opinion attempts. its a product i’m not interested in personally but great video!
I was shown a P30sk V3 at my gun store. Even with a discount, it was still $200 over my budget. I chose to get a Canik SC instead. But now I regretted not getting the P30 or even the Berretta PX4 Storm after watching your videos extensively. I hope to find a DA/SA pistol in the future for EDC or CCW.
You guys should do a video on the MP5 if you haven't already. Would love to see a detailed breakdown on the platform and maybe a comparison with similar variants.
I’m active duty coast guard and we still use the Sig P229 DAK. This system seems very similar to the DAK trigger
Do you like the DAK trigger? Seems most people hate it. I am one of the few, it seems, that likes it. I own several and they would be among the last pistols I would sell.
@@KodiakKen I have grown to like it. Once you get used to it, it’s very smooth. Our newer shooters have a hard time with it, it also doesn’t help they are shooting a 40 cal which isn’t the most forgiving compared to a 9mm. We are switching over to Glock 19 here shortly so I’m sure you will see a bunch of surplus coast guard P229 DAKs pop up on the market you can add to your collection
I purchased one of these P30SK pistols since I'm a big revolver guy and not a fan of striker for carry, especially appendix carry. I rig it so my first shot is DAO and the trigger pull weight doesn't bother me in the least, since I shoot a revolver properly. I have a 15rd magazine with a 17rd spring/follower for the full size P30 but it only holds 16rd in the SK, but that should be enough. I carry it all day with no weight issues. Great pistol and very accurate....very!
I have a P30L V1 and it's my favorite gun/trigger combo. I only discovered the trigger type a couple of years ago but I know in my heart that if I had discovered it earlier, I would not have purchased/sold/traded so many other pistols. I was never a fan of DA/SA because of the two different trigger pulls that were required because the first shot is heavy. Since the LEM reverses this, it's fantastic.
Have the p30sk v1 light LEM, love it!! Got mine from Eurooptic w factory tritium sights & 3 mags.. definitely recommend this package to any serious cpl holder..
Love my p30sk. Wish I bought it years ago
I love the lem system. I have it on my p30l. I will be installing it on my usp as well
I have 2 P30L's in .40 S&W. One with LEM and the other DA/SA. Put the Greyguns short reset in them both. They are 2 of my must accurate and favorite EDCs. My wife, who is a novice shooter, loves the LEM.
LTT just announced their new custom options for the DA/SA and LEM variants of the P30, P30L, and P30SK. Very interesting!!
Good video Chris. I just want to mention, the HK P2000 v1 or v2 LEM is also a great choice.
It's cool to see your videos on interesting variants of these guns and different trigger solutions the companies can up with.
Any chance you're going to look at the DAK system that Sig uses?
I just picked one of these up because I really liked the way it felt in my hand. I just got back from the range after running 200 rounds through. I've never shot an H&K before today. It's definitely different than the Glocks and 1911 I've owned. There were times when I could feel the trigger reset and other times when I couldn't. I'm not knocking the trigger it's just different than what I'd been used to. I do intend for my new H&K to be my EDC and am looking forward to getting familiar with the trigger.
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So I’ve carried a P30SK V1 with LEM for roughly 4 years on a daily basis. I did fit a compensator and delta point pro. This and a Philster Enigma have changed my idea of edc. Truly ambidextrous and easily the most accurate compact I’ve ever handled.
Does the enigma assist with the weight and printing of the p30sk
@@Gpiforever1 it absolutely disappears on my body, I’m about 5’9” and a fairly lean 175 lbs. So not a big guy, not many places I can hide my gun. But honestly the enigma holds the weapon in one place, an extra wedge helps to drive the grip around and prevents any printing from happening.
Great video!
I literally just ordered my HK P30SK V1 LEM, on Black Friday. I already have a P30LS V3, which I spent about $270 to get a trigger job done to it and greatly improved the DA/SA action. I wanted something a little smaller for daily carry and being a guy with XXL glove size, I don’t like micro pistols. So, for me, the P30SK with the 13 round magazine will work great. It’s smaller than my P30LS and being a V1 LEM, I shouldn’t have to spend another $270 to have the trigger worked on to be any good. Hopefully, my problem is solved and I’ll have a good carry gun for the warmer months throughout the year.
I love the LEM triggers on those things. Accurate, durable, and reliable, the fact that it doesn’t have an optics cut doesn’t bother me one bit.
VP9 and P30 pistols are FANTASTIC as ambi-ready handguns... Many of the subjective shortcomings (mag release and limited texture on left side grip) are in place to be kind to lefties like me...
Yeah, i totally get that. Aggressive texture under the trigger finger would get irritating and reversible mag buttons would mean an out of factory modification. Either hand right out of the box is considerate to many. Is the ejection pattern ok or are you getting brass bukkake?
@@CtrlAltRetreat I've had no issues with either the VP9 or VP9SK.
Interesting trigger…never heard of this
Thanks 👍🏾
Just some fun info for anyone looking at a p30sk, you can get an aftermarket mag release that extends it further forward which makes it a lot easier to use with the trigger finger, also p2000sk slides work flawlessly on a p30sk frame, even the 40 sw and 357 sig versions, so I have a p30sk with a 357 sig slide, you just need to use the p2000sk 40 sw magazines and change the floorplate
Hey thanks.. Who sells the after market mag release?
My favorite pistol and it's sitting next to me right now!
By far my favorite system was a USPc with an LEM and external safety. Wish I didn’t let it go.
I’ve really been intrigued by HK lately, specifically their hammer fired handguns. Had my eye on a P2000 or P30, the P2000 I feel like is the ideal ccw size gun with a slightly shorter grip length, although I think both would carry just fine albeit with a longer grip on the P30. Just need to find one locally I can test out first some people seem to either move or hate the trigger. Just shot a stock CZ P07 and gotta say the omega trigger in there wasn’t too bad for me, even in DA. Then again I’m not really a trigger snob, I just really liked how fast I could get back on target. For a do-all completely reliable gun that will take you to hell and back HK is looking pretty good right now.
The time-tested USP-Compact 9mm is still in production too (I picked one up a few months ago). I wouldn't really consider it a CCW pistol, in a world where the Sig P365 exists, but if you're considering a P2000, it's basically the same size. And if you're only considering a hammer-fired semi-auto, you won't find many guns smaller than these, and none that I know of in the "pocket pistol" category of the P365 (striker-fired) range.
I have P30L, P30, P2000, and 45CT all LEM. The P2000 in light LEM is an ideal CCW. The P30L treats me just fine in USPSA too
One other thought…in 2021 HK released a 15 rd to 17 rd mag conversion kit which gave higher capacity in the same mag size. It would be cool if they could do the same thing for the 10 rd P30SK mag and make it a 12 rounder…and the 13rd a 15 rounder. We can only hope.
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As someone who carries a very similar size VP9sk (and owns/carries a few LEM’s) I would also like to talk about size/ergos. Also own a 365xl. I find the sk fantastic to shoot right or left handed and much more controllable while still obviously small than a lot of others. It is larger than the micro 9’s, it always comes back to “try before you buy”
Which do you mostly carry ?
@@Gpiforever1 this year I went Glock 23.
I understand about the problem with long travels; two of my carry guns are Kahrs, and that long travel - also considered a safety measure - is distracting to the point where you wonder if you're experiencing a failure. To be fair, the long travel is only an issue if I'm maximizing range points; if I'm practicing defensive fire from a draw I find that being in that adrenalinized zone makes the long trigger less of an issue. Still, a trigger kit is in the works for me.
Being a big guy, I don’t like micro pistols, so the P30SK is perfect for me. It’s smaller than my P30L and with the 13 round magazine, it can almost fill up my hand, and that’s good enough for me. Mine will be in this week and I’m looking forward to the V1 LEM, which is the model, I purchased. That’s going to save me the $280 that I spent on the trigger job for my P30L V3.
Would love to see a presentation on 9mm JHP grain selection (115,124,147) for use in modern 9mm micro pistols with barrels less than 3.5 inches.
Bullet weight doesn't matter as much as bullet design. That said, most of the decent 147-grain HP loads are less velocity-dependent than the lighter bullets, so they perform better out of shorter barrels. But with the best modern HPs, it really doesn't matter a ton. Shoot some Gold Dots, HSTs, and Hornady Critical Duty out of your small 9. Carry whatever is most reliable at hits to the point of aim of your gun's sights. Or whatever you can afford to stock up on.
Chris, it was nice meeting you and your family on Thanksgiving. I hope you had a wonderful holiday.
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Best video on the topic.
I'm still waiting on that unicorn, the reliable TDA pistol in the Shield/P365/G48 size envelope. I wants it!!
TLG LEM is best LEM. Medium trigger return spring makes the initial take up a bit more tactile, and the reset bouncier and more forceful. Light FPBS takes a little of the stacking out of the wall, cleans it up, and lightens it a touch. Then throw a Grayguns short reset kit in it and you have a very pleasant and capable trigger system that is just as easy to run as a striker gun, with the ability to pin the hammer while holstering.
Own a light lem with added safety on usp45 .awesome trigger !
I love the paddle style mag release.
I love the light LEM trigger.
Love your pod casts, ever considered the HK vp9 long?
this is my carry gun and it was an easy choice...I have huge hands and the mag release isn't any issue with the trigger finger
The P30SK is my EDC when the P30L is just too much. It is an awesome gun and just feels right in the hand.
Just picked up a P2000 to consider as a new carry gun. (I carry a G19 now) I was considering the LEM but opted for the DA/SÁ variant. I have a TON of vp9/p30 mags already so don’t have to stock pile a bunch of new mags lol
I have seen the h&k nut swingers preach about the LEM in fb groups. Pretty cool design.
I love this pistol when I held it in hands, but my reservation has been that it is not an optics ready pistol. I have migrated to optics on hand guns and while I still shot pistols with irons, there is no denying that with my optics mounted pistols, I can shoot more accurately, transition from target to target faster and that I can reach out further. It's a great pistol for a bygone decade. H&K needs to retrofit this great pistol.
I totally agree but I put an optic plate and a Holosun 507 on it, and it's awesome. You do lose the rear sight but I didn't care as mines a carry gun for defense shooting only.
@@applied.precision Which plate did you get?
HK just release the OR vp9sk.. let’s hope the p30sk is next.
@@Hialeah1925 Amen - the VP9 is a great firearm, but I’m looking for a hammer fired pistol.
I was dead set on a P30SK LEM for so long but ended up with a CZ P-01 because the P30SK V1 was near impossible to find available
i wanted the p30 and it was like the ghost gun. people talked about but never seen. i went with a vp9. then i went to buy another hammer fired gun seen the p30 but i was set on the CZ p09... seem we have the same taste!!! well played sir
Before I got my HKP30SK I fired multiple guns to make my decision none of them fit in my hand as well as this gun. It shoots like butter is the best way to describe it. The quality is hands-down the best I’ve seen.
Hk has updated all sk mags to hold 2 extra rounds. Now we have flush fit 12 rounders!!
In my opinion, the paddle style mag releases shine for using the middle finger on the ejection side of the pistol. I don't have to shift my hold when I use my finger and not my thumb.
Great vid. I’m an hk guy. My impressions in no order. Yes, the p30sk is chunky. That improves shoot ability in my opinion. My complaint about it , if you can call it that, is that it’s not much smaller than the standard size p30. One or the other would be my recommendation. I have both.
As to the lem trigger, I have the 45 compact with lem. My complaint about it is the very short reset. Unless you practice a lot or are very experienced (like you) it is very easy to inadvertently fire the second round sort of unintentionally. I have to intentionally let up on the trigger after the first round. Maybe inexperience on my part, but, as you said, takes some getting used to. Sort of unnecessary for the average shooter.
Hk makes such a highly engineered product that they will never be worried about every new fad in guns. The vp9 was their step in that direction.
My favorite is their standard size 45. Great ergos and easy to shoot. Their reduced recoil system really shows on that pistol.
Looking at getting a p2000, it seems to strike that size between a p30sk and a full size p30, just a bit shorter grip. Takes same magazines. Do you like the LEM or V3? Seems to be the most difficult for me to choose between. I shot a cz p07 a few weeks ago and really didn’t mind the DA first pull.
@@DIYDad1 I would not recommend the lem to anyone who has not tried it. I got it because curiosity finally got the best of me. The lem versions these days are also a premium price. I’ve never scene a p2000 so can’t really comment. The p30 is comparable in size to a Glock 19. The interchangeable back straps which only hk had at the time of my purchase made a big difference to me. I recently handled the p07 c in the gun store and liked it a lot. The new version with optics ready is an excellent gun and Cz quality is comparable to hk. I’ve owned the Cz 75 sp01 phantom for several years and like it a lot. They don’t make the phantom anymore. The trigger on the p 07 c that I tried was a lot better than the hk. Many people get their hk trigger modified to reduce travel and reset. All in all I would go with the p07 compact unless “you just gotta have an hk.” Can’t go wrong either way. Good luck.
Chris, try hitting the paddle mag release with your strong hand index finger. I've been shooting matches with my USP45 Elite for years and always drop mags that way. No grip adjustments.
Yes definitely. Requires no grip adjustments and is extremely fast.
The LEM is only weird until you understand how awesome it actually is, especially when you have Lazy Wolf Guns do a reduced reset trigger & tuning on it.