P30SK vs PX4 SubCompact. Are DA/SA Subcompacts A Dying Platform
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- Опубліковано 22 вер 2023
- Close up look at the subcompact versions of two of my favorite pistols. HK’s P30SK and Beretta’s PX4 Storm SubCompact.
Not many DA/SA subcompact options remain in 2023. (The PX4 SC no longer in production this year). Are there others I’m not thinking about?
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I hope it’s not a dying platform. The only way I will carry is DAO (revolver) or DA/SA with a decocker, no safety. A smaller package DA/SA would be nice. These ones are a bit chunky. I would love to see Smith and Wesson offer the CSX in DA/SA w/de-cocker. That would be perfect imo.
Exactly same thoughts here buddy I’d hop on that CSX if it was DASA still even thinkin bout picking one up anyway 👍🫡
Yes, we definitely need a smaller DA/SA! I’m disappointed that 3 manufacturers, Sig, CZ, & HK that are known for DA/SA put out micros that are striker fired.
Correct I have a p30sk and it’s super chunky
Weird how things go in cycles. When I was getting into pistols in the early-mid 2000s, single actions were the cool thing, strikers were still the upstarts, and DA/SA were hated by most. Now it seems that some people actually like DA/SA. I kind of like it, just because it's weird and idiosyncratic, but I've never seen any advantage to them over strikers. The one advantage people ever list is "it's safer because you can thumb the hammer when holstering." Well, I guess so, but a striker with a trigger safety won't be fired when holstering either, and it also won't have multiple different trigger pulls to learn.
The new beretta 80x cheetah came out this year. Granted it’s a 380
FYI, the updated HK 13 round mags for the P30sk and VP9sk now come with 15 round capacity. Same size magazine, just increased capacity. I enjoyed the video. Thank you for sharing it with us.
You, sir, made my day. First thing I do every Friday when I get up is watch your new video! Honored you watched mine. Thanks for the info on the 15 rounder!! And thank YOU for watching (and for all your awesome videos)
This is my next upgrade!
They also have 17 and 30 round mags
P365 has met its match
@@e.t.2230nope p365 is slimmer
I recently found a P30SKS V3 with the night sights and grabbed it while I could. I’ve got the P365 and a variety of others from multiple manufacturers. The P30SKS is my favorite and is now my EDC. Love this little system!
That’s awesome!!! Thank you for watching and commenting!
You don’t find it bulky I want a sig p365 now my sk is too wide
@@Gpiforever1, I do not find it too bulky. The P30SKS is the Goldilocks of systems for me. I do like the P365, but it almost feels too small and I do not shoot it as well as I do the P30SKS.
@@DCGibson I wear slim clothing and I can’t even conceal carry this thing that’s the only problem. But it’s a big problem
@@Gpiforever1, well your choice in clothing will dictate your choice in systems. As long as you carry, carry strong! 1st world problems.
I own them both. They are great guns and you did a fine job.
Love the P30SK with LEM trigger! The LEM trigger is where it’s at on HK DA/SA guns.
The appeal of the PX4 is the rotating barrel. That’s why I have and recommend the Compact Carry version of the PX4 as the sub compact model doesn’t share that feature.
I’d LOVE to see Sig bring the P224 back!!!
I recently saw someone threaded the barrel on their PX4 SC. Once i get a PX4 SC, thats the first mod i will make. Both of your guns look sweet.
P30 is just one of the best ever. Definitely one of my top three pistols. ❤ great video.
I just recently purchased the P30sk, I mean so recenty I have not even gotten it yet. At one time I considered the PX 4 Storm but disliked the slide mounted safety. My current daily carry is a Sig P229 Elite in .40. Like the Arkansas Gun Guy, I don't like Strikers. I like the safety of a DA/SA ESPECIALLY carrying apendex IWB. My good friend of 48 years died on 9/25/23 and left me all his firearms including a Ruger LC9 which I didn't like. But I sort of liked carrying something a little smaller and lighter than my P229 . So I offed that LC9 at pawn shop/gun shop and plunked down the scratch for the P30sk at a different gun store. It was P30sk with no safety #81000086. I can hardly wait. I hope I get if before Christmas.
How do you like itv
Always enjoy ur content... we do have another da/sa subcompact - the bersa tpr9c matches fairly well to the hk. Good shooter too with an aluminum frame
I need to check that out - don’t know Bersa at all. Where are they made? Thank you so much for the kind words and tuning back in
@TheArkansasGunGuy they are an argentine company but recently started manufacturing in the u.s. Georgia actually!!!
@@MrNineFortyFive looking into them now. have read the name but never looked at them. several people have mentioned that particular model!!
I'd love to own a H & K... That one looks sweet. As far as the PX4, I'd probably stick with the Compact version. I wasn't expecting this video, great idea! 👍👍.!!
Compact is the better option - you are exactly right to stick with that! For full size - I love my HK, but if I had to choose just one, I'm keeping the PX4. Thanks again for stopping by and commenting!!
I prefer da/sa guns too. I always wished the ppk was a 9mm
Glad I picked up a P30sks a couple weeks ago, came with nite sights and 3 mags and feels great and is accurate and comfortable and the safest to carry. Can’t ask for more👍🫡
I went to the gun store about three or four years ago to buy that particular Beretta because it reminds me of the gun off of Blade Runner. but all of the clerks completely turned me off of that particular firearm. They said the safeties are sharp, It's not practical, No one buys the gun. They ran a complete list of reasons not to buy it. So I eventually left with a Glock.
They didn't carry it and wanted to sell you something.
App!es and oranges, but the Beretta in person is a sweet looking gun. Pictures don't do it justice.
The px4 compact vs the p30 is probably a better comparison because the compact uses what the px4 is known for: a twisted barrel.
good call. thank you for watching!!
We got used to hammer fired-thumb safety back in the day in our mercifully short military careers.. but it stuck with us...Full size P30 V3.. my favorite carry auto..Just wish I could get the sights from the USP Expert on it..
The blacked out sights on the Expert? That’s the only thing I don’t love about mine. Probably just need to practice more I suppose. P30L is a special one for me! Thank you so much for watching (and commenting)
I have both pistols and carried them regularly up until like yu, I purchased the Sig P365. Its all I carry now due to its superior carry capabilities, ergo, night sights, capacity and overall size. The others now seem heavy in your waistline,and low on capacity for size. I will on rare occasion grab one or the other for the day but really just so I can justify keeping them around. Th PX and HK do see range time though and I shoot them bo th well. But from a sheer carry perspective, its the P365 all the way.
I like the HK because of the left-handed operation . I think Walther has a single action double also.
Just bought a P30sk with the thumb safety last Saturday.
How you liking it? Fixing to order one this week unless I can find something better to carry.
The H&K P30SK LEM trigger with the Grey Guns short reset is an amazing combo. A striker fire style trigger from a hammer fire gun.
I recently traded my p30 v3 for a p30sk v1 light lem. I don't think the shorter reset is necessary, this with a 17 round extendo for backup is the perfect carry gun imo.
@@Catgat37
The new reset is as short as a stricker fire. Half the travel it was originally.
@@BERSERKERNA39 that is incredibly impressive. I am already shooting far tighter groupings than with the V3, only got 200 rounds through it so far. But gonna run another hundred in about an hour
Don’t always fish from the same ponds. The SAR B6C is a subcompact CZ clone and the Grand Power P11 is a much better alternative to the PX 4 Storm with a rotating barrel that can actually be carried in SA locked and cocked unlike the PX4.
My next gun will be the HK P-30 SK in v 1 lem. They feel so much better and handle like their full size versions while being much more easy to carry. I don't care one bit for either the Glock 48/43 or the SIG P-365. They feel "cheap". The HK is a solid, high quality pistol and offered in a virtually any configuration you prefer. Looking at the HK catalog online is like a pizza menu.
The options available for HK is kind of overwhelming!!! But nice to have all that available too! Thanks for watching!!!
I'm a big revolver shooter so the DA is no issue for me. I'll never carry a striker fire so I better take good care on my P30sk. I have a VP9 for competition and range fun, it's the only striker fire I own.
Unfortunately I sold my PX4 sub-compact and it was a very soft shooting pistol, like all my HK's and full size DAO PX4. I was able to grind down /polish and re-blue the PX4 safety/de-cock wings. You can also reverse the PX4 mag release to match the HK too.
Awesome info!! But hate that you sold your Px4. I also only own a few striker fire pistols - and the VP9 is my favorite of that group. Thanks so much for watching!!!
Bersa TPR9C, Arex Rex Zero 1 CP and the Taurus TH9C are the other sub compact DA/SA with a decocker I know that are still in production.
Grand Power P11, Lionheart industries might not be sub compacts
The H&K P30sk now has 15 round mags with the extension and 12 with the smaller extension
I need to upgrade!!!! Thanks so much for the info and for watching!!
I don’t want them dying. I’m just getting into carrying, firearms ect, and I want to get a hk sk to replace my shield plus for the safety factors.
Love my P30sk and P30 sks. Here's a little known fact; the P30 series has a "stepped chamber", supposedly to aid in accuracy. I don't know if it does, but it puts a nice slight crease on the mouth area of the fired case. It does not affect the reloadability of the brass, however. I probably should get another one before they quit making them,lol!
I don't think I knew that but totally researching it now!!! Thank you for sharing and for watching!!!
Umm no contest I'll take the HK that Beretta is hideous
“Dying” would imply there were, at one time, many subcompact DA/SA’s to choose from. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t think that was ever the case. That said, we are clearly not seeing any new entries in this market - I think the P30SK was introduced almost a decade ago. I think that most people in the market for a subcompact, where by definition size is important, choose to go with a lighter, slimmer, cheaper, and simpler striker-fired gun or a SAO hammer-fired weapon. I love my P30SK and I love DA/SA’s in general. But I reach from my p365 or 365XL more often.
Yes sir - good point. I'm like you - I'm all about hammer fired yet I grab my P365XL more than pretty much anything else. Thank you for the comments and for watching!!
I love my DA/SA pistols. To the point. There could be more.
Unfortunately I think you are correct. I am a DA/SA guy. We still have options in the compact size, 15 round grip, but yeah, sub compact is drying up.
I’m a dinosaur!!! (: Thank you for watching!!!
Enjoy the P30sk. Since it may become a dying breed; we're lucky to be owners of these fantastic pieces of machinery.
I love my p2000sk in 357sig.
0:52 The HK P2000SK is also a DA/SA subcompact currently in production
You need to get your hands on a Grand Power P11 to add to that comparison.
I have a HK P30SKS…..I noticed Taurus had a compact offering in their TH line, I got a TH9C about a month ago to train with and not beat up my P30SKS as much. The TH9C is the same in every way, even fits in some of the same holsters as the P30SKS.
Also, the Taurus feels and shoots great, really don’t want to admit it but shoots alil better than the P30SKS, and the TH9C is only about $250🤷♂️
Grand Power has several , Bersa TpR9c
Need hammer fired da/SA with recover and preferably safety in subcompact.
My SIG P229 is too big for summer. My Glock 33 is, IMO, unsafe if Zi carry chambered
HK used to make these in 357 SIG and discontinued them. Easy option, just the barrel is different from a 40.
If they want to sell me and a bunch of people something else, need to give us a reason to buy it.
I’m proud to be the last man alive who can carry a double stack. Everyone got really weird at the same time. My theory is that none of you know what a good belt and holster is. I hate those slim line guns, they literally suck. Anyways nice video the comments just triggered me.
Allegedly old school DAO only guy then whines about the gun being chunky. Red flags everyone someone is lying 🤣
I prefer DA/SA and would like to see one the size of a 365XL or 365X.
Just picked up a P30SK V1 (with the LEM) trigger, and I really love this a lot. About the same size as my Shield (just a bit thicker) but carries 15+1 instead of 8+1. The LEM trigger allows you to carry with one in the chamber with peace of mind, without having to mess with a safety. I wouldn't feel comfortable carrying a striker-fired gun chambered without a safety on, and having the safety on can mean troubles if you have to draw while under heavy stress.
The one thing I care a bit less about the P30SK is the paddle mag release, unless you have massive hands it forces you to slightly alter your grip to activate it, but it's something you just gotta get used to.
I have the PX4 Storm Sub. I personally love it (and not fortifying my biases for purchase). I had it blessed by St. Ernest of LTT with a trigger job and cerakote. I don't know if it's from practice, but I can shoot it a little better than my Compact Carry ( Yep, one of those Beretta Fanboys). But the best part of the PX4 Sub is the fact that it takes the PX4 family of magazines. If you want a subcompact with 21rounds, you can (defeats the purpose of a sub, but nice to see the option). Plus, it's pretty. Stubby, the bull/flared barrel, etc. it's just cool. But the best part is that it's a subcompact that handles almost like a full size. Why Beretta discontinued this is just just crazy. I hope they choose a worthy replacement.
What holster do you use for your PX4 Sub? Had a viewer asking for suggestions.
Thank you for the awesome feedback and for watching!
@@TheArkansasGunGuy I use a JM4 Tactical for concealed carry. They work great. Magnetic retention.
@@richdubbya I have the PX4 Subcompact and bought it mainly because of the looks and the fact it is DA/SA. If it weren't for the factory iron sights, I would consider it to be the ultimate subcompact pistol. The PX4 subcompact shoots extremely low from point of aim out of the box and the sights are ridiculously difficult to remove. If you do manage to remove them without damaging your slide, there aren't many options that fit this pistol appropriately. I think the limited sight options and no option for an optic is the reason this pistol didn't gain any traction. If Beretta would re-release the PX4 Subcompact with a design to accommodate more iron sight options and an optic cut slide, I would buy 10 to ensure I'd have one for life.
Grand power p11 is a good option
Sphinx sdp subcompact if they start producing it again after kriss bought them
P2000sk… will Langdon work on the px4 subcompact trigger? Sucks they couldn’t do the rotating barrel in it. Kind of makes sense they discontinued it, not unique and can just replace it w a micro compact.
Langdon can’t work their magic on the Sub Compact. Probably does make sense they discontinued it but still makes me sad. Grand Power P11 is a subcompact that was able to use the rotating barrel design. Going to pick one up soon to compare.
Thanks so much for watching!!
I choose hk all day as farvas sub compact
Can’t go wrong w that choice!! Thanks for watching!!
The DA/SA/LEM platform is the superior CCW option, and the subcompact versions are far from dead. *We need micro versions.*
Don’t forget the P2000SK. The P30SK is superior, yet the P2000SK is slightly slimmer and shorter. The CZ RAMI has been discontinued, but they can still be had. The goes for the SIG P224, which is chunky af, and its reliability must be thoroughly vetted.
Good call on the thinner P2000 - didn’t think about that. Very much prefer DA/SA as well!! Thank you for the comments and for watching!
I wouldn't say it's "dying" as so much as trimming down. With so many options of sizes and weights, buying a gun has become tantamount to buying shoes.
we do lie in a wonderful time with so many great options to choose from!!! if they weren't so darned expensive!!!! Thank you for watching!!
The p2000sk is also available.
The PX4 s/c is totally ambidextrous. You can reverse the magazine release for left handed shooter's. I love my subcompact PX4!!!
Thank you so much for watching!!
My 365 also has a safety. I feel better when carrying it, also appendix.
100% agree!!! Prefer hammer. If not, I need a safety. Thanks for watching!
All esle being eaual, Ill take the HK p30sk because you thumb sweep down to take it off safe rather than push forward like the Berettas.
Taurus th9c is still made, i think
Kahrs are double action. Kind of compromise in the middle
I need to check out some Kahrs - one brand I don't have much exposure to. Thanks for the suggestion AND for watching!!
yes it is dying unless someone making a da/sa that takes p365 mag
How about the sig 229 or sig 226 any Beretta 92 compact h&k
Love all those - this was just looking at the super tiny sub compact platform and there just aren't very many of those left.... Grand Power also makes one I'm going to eventually pic up. THANK YOU for watching!!
Both of these shoot like a compact, or full size if you have the mag extensions. The px4 has a better trigger, but the p30 has a better grip.
I prefer and carry the p30 with the 13 round mag. I also upgraded the trigger with all light springs, short reset, and a flat trigger. About to get the LTT rdo system. Really can’t go wrong with either
very fair analysis - thanks so much for watching!!
@@TheArkansasGunGuy I don’t own the px4 subcompact. But my dad has one so I get to shoot it often. He doesn’t have any grip tape so it is a little slick for the size. I’m sure some tape or a stipple would make a good difference
I also have this pistol and it is awesome. I love the de-cocker and how it feels in the hand. The grips are great. The night sights are sweet as well. It was my edc for a while. The gripes I have is the trigger. Come on Hk get with the program and give us a better trigger. Also it’s a thick pistol which made it a little harder to hide than I like.
I then got a mete mc9 from canik to get around those two issues. The trigger is awesome and it’s much thinner.
I do feel a little safer with appendix carrying the p30 due to the hammer fire though. What a great pistol though really.
Hi there, I had a lot of questions between the compact and subcompact PX4. Anyway to contact you directly.
You can email me at BangPopWhat at gmail Hope I can help!
Subcompacts or micro 9s don't pique my interest. Too hard to operate/reload and the barrels are too short (velocity loss). I can hide a 'compact' size (G-19size) pistol easy enough and I want a barrel closer to 4". *IF* I were to carry appendix and *IF* I were to carry 9mm, a hammer-fired carry pistol for me would be the CZ P-01 (DA/SA) or S&W Equalizer (hammer w/grip safety). But... I normally don't carry 9mm or appendix... and I (gasp!) don't use an optic on my carry gun, nor do I carry with a light on the rail. I'm just a Fudd, I guess...
Oh and cz p7 and the shadow
Are you just talking 9mm? Bersa has double action subcompact pistols ,and there's the Beretta 3032/21a pistols. There's always the crap tastic Sccy pistols, but they're DAO.
Several people have mentioned that Bersa - I’m going to have to look into that! Thank you for the info and for watching!!!
Why hasn’t HK made a 10mm pistol?!
Springfield XdE
Good gun! Is that one striker or hammer?
Thank you for watching by the way!!
P2000SK is available
Forgot that one!! Thank you for reminder - AND for watching!!
This guy really doesn’t understand how striker guns work. He thinks hammer fired is safer because it can be decocked, but doesn’t understand that strikers are never fully cocked and you finish setting the striker during your trigger pull. However he was talking about an sig so I do understand his fear of pointing a loaded sig at his junk, solely due to the reputation of sigs going off unexpectedly.
Typically people feel safer with the longer and heavier trigger pull of DA/SA guns over light striker fired triggers. Less likely for negligent discharge.
I like being able to thumb the hammer when re-holstering as an added safety measure.
HK all the way
Thank you for watching!!
Yes, the micro 9 striker fired guns have killed these DA SA guns. I mean why would I ever want two different weight teigger pulls?? Especially when striker fired guns, particularly glocks are very safe and have amazing drop saftey performance. It absolutely makes zero sense to me.
Ive heard people say with apendix carey they dont like a gun pointed at thier privates or leg with a gun that doesnt have a decocker. And Again I say, why? The gun WILL NOT just go off by itself. You MUST pull the trigger. And a DA SA gun has no advantage over a striker fire!
I am just so against having 2 different trigger pull weights. Its silly. It comes from an era when law enforcement was wary and afraid of semi automatics because they were switching over from revolvers and were afraid of 5lb trigger pulls.
The longer and heavier first trigger pull of DA/SA is what makes people feel more comfortable rather than the light trigger pull of striker fired guns. Less likely for a negligent discharge.
So you would not own a revolver?