When did Hal do any favors for Roxanne just your own ideology and worse people thinking they deserve it. Niceness is actions goodness is belief kindness is both
Do you think the defense attorney in the green mile was good. He believed he was guilty and didn't want him to get way with it . Do you wish real lawyers were like that
I found it refreshing that Mulan and Shang aren't properly together by the end, but are taking it slow. They need time to know each other as themselves, and not as comrades.
Agree!! I also like that he visits her home and have her family knowing about him as they get to know each other. I really think, unless you have a toxic and controlling family, getting families involved early on is a wise thing. They know your greatest downfall and your best self. They have your best interest in mind. And meeting each other’s family doesn’t mean the relationship is now serious or has a level of real commitment at all. I always hated that pressure on meeting each other’s families.
@@Liz66. The way I see it, there is pressure in wanting to show your best sides to the other's parents/ family and have them like you. However, I also dislike the ridiculous exaggeration in movies, when i.e. there's palpable fear of the SO meeting the parents or the father being all overprotective and threatening dismemberment. It's overplayed in cinema and therefore,too many people take it for real.
which obviously would be the best idea even if they hadn't met like they did since the 1st year of a relationship doesn't give you a real idea of who the person is unless you were friends first and feelings only came later.
watching two grown men contemplate on the similarities between their wifes and their disney princess crushes is the cutest thing i have seen in a long time.
With Shang, I noticed after a couple more watches that after Mulan told him about the Huns and before he meets the emperor, he does very subtly look around. So he did believe her. And as for Naveen, the very first time he meets Tiana, he flirts with her but she brushes him off. And rather than doing the cliche of pushing it, he just casually accepted the rejection and went on his way. I always liked that about him.
That's something as a kid I always liked about David from Lilo and Stitch. Other guys were very pushy in movies (even in disney), but David was ok with waiting for Nani until she was in a better place. He spent time with her and her family without any pressure or anger that they couldn't date yet.
@@happybunnyntx It’s also clear that David has a great relationship with Lilo (like an older brother) and that his friendship with Nani is also solid. He could have easily been bitter toward Lilo and tried to convince Nani to give her away, but he knew how important they were to one another; glad he wasn’t a “Nice Guy”.
THIS! On both parts. Shang had to almost pretend to hate Mulan for military/legal reasons. He did what he could do until all hell breaks loose and he could actually "listen to a woman." Naveen is straight up sex and I love that he learns to be more than that. He's a playboy who finds out there's more to life and that's actually kind of awesome.
O'Malley is also a VERY positive example of a stepfather entering into the lives of a mom and her kids. His main goal is always to aid the mom in not only raising and helping her kids, but also to make her, and therefore the kids, happy as well. They step up to a role where they really didn't have to, which my own stepfather did.
I love that he makes a point to include the kids in just about everything he does with Duchess. He gets a bit of one on one time with them and bonds with everyone individually and collectively. He doesn't try super hard to get them to like him, he just treats them with respect and is himself around them.
@@Baldwin-iv445 The reason why we've got a strong "wicked step-parent" trope is probably that many people have bad relationships with a step-parent in real life.
Nani and David from "Lilo and Stitch" could also be an Honourable Mention. David clearly has feelings for her, and doesn't rush Nani into anything, knowing how hard it is for her to find a job and raise Lilo. He also treats Lilo like a little sister.
@@MikaMoonlight Plus he gets burned while working at the restaurant. He also jokes that she could date him, and they'll call it even when he gets her a job at the grocery store and she thanks him, asking him how she can repay him
Just going to say, Lilo and Stitch feels VERY different when watching as an adult, and knowing just what Mr Bubbles was doing there. The aliens coming in to blow everything up actually eases the tension.
Watching Lilo and Stitch with adopted siblings has given me a completely new perspective of this film. Mr. Bubbles is the antagonist for most of the movie, but he really does want what's best for Lilo. Furthermore, he is right. Nani is not in a position to take care of Lilo at the beginning. By the end of the film they have two new parents and the situation has changed for the better. Bubbles lets the family stay together because now that is what's best for Lilo.
I love Aristocats so much. I love how even though Thomas is like "Oh shit kids???" for a second he immediately after gets this big grin on his face and starts doting on them, too. And Duchess isn't shamed for being a single mom ONCE throughout the whole movie.
@@katlyndobransky2419 yeah obviously but it's a cat love story depicting human themes for humans to watch. The fact that the "single mom" theme wasn't shown in a negative light still counts for a lot.
@@LoreCatan no yeah I totally agree, but I feel like this theme would stand out a lot more if it was about an actual human single mom with children. I think this story’s message is mostly the fact that a single mother can still fall in love with a guy that loves her and her kids equally. I never questioned the fact that she was a single mother as a kid because they’re cats, and I knew that with animals, being a single parent is normal. Ofc changing the cats to humans would make the story really boring for a child, and I still love it non the less. But I feel like the idea of Duchess not being shamed for being a single mom falls flat just because she’s cat. However in all cases, single parents should NEVER be shamed. People change, and sometimes tragic things happen that we cannot control. Which is why I love the Aristocats’ message that some strangers can become family
Yeah, it’s definitely more progressive for its time and the owner herself is a happy bachelorette and not pining for a man. It’s too bad my 4 year daughter mover got into the movie 😔
When they said “Tarzan better build her a Swiss Family Robinson palace”, there was a TV show and they moved into his parents’ tree house. Also there was an episode I loved when Jane’s friends from England actually showed up in the jungle, and Jane is like “Tarzan please wear this suit we’re going to have a garden party” but he refuses, thinking she’s embarrassed of him. So Jane’s dad talks to him and is like “she lives in your jungle world everyday. Would it be so bad if you lived in her ‘civilized’ world for one?” And Tarzan finally gets it. Honestly so many moments in that show that address so many marriage issues lol.
I'm so happy that someone else has also watched this series! Tarzan was my favorite movie as a kid, then I was obsessed with the show. I loved getting the deeper look into Tarzan and Jane's Relationship after her difficult choice made.
I’m sorry to say that I hated it as a kid because my mom made us watch it at all times and it’s because she saw it when she was a kid herself and she was just reliving her childhood I’m ok watching it now she was actually extremely happy that Netflix had it and rewatched it all
Watching this, I cannot believe how old the Aristocats is (1970) and how modern its romance plot is compared to some more modern Disney movies. I mean, single mom with three kids ? Lonesome alleycat who just wants to flirt at first but then takes the kids as his own ? Them working out their class difference AND the question of the kids AND Madam AND being healthy every step of the way ? Given it was the last movie Walt Disney was personally involved in, it's amazing how the studio evolved from Snow White and Sleeping Beauty to this dynamic, and the many layers of Duchess : she's a mom, but she's also a girl smitten with a boy, loves to sing and dance, cares for the kid and Madam...
I guess it was more possible to be "modern" if the characters were animals? "Lady & The Tramp" is an unexpectedly mature story too, but they got away with it because the main characters are dogs. "Snow White" and "Sleeping Beauty" are fairytales though and didn't need very complex romances back then.
It’s not like Disney can’t do “modern” but of course if they adapt cehturies old material they aren’t going to add the Prince or Princess having kids to it just to be modern. Although I would love to see Rumpelstilskin from Disney. The second half of the story is when the lead is a mother is trying to save her child from the bargain she made with Rumpelstilskin in the past to save herself. The DisneyToons films Lion King 2, Little Mermaid 2, and Return to Neverland had Simba, Ariel and Wendy have children, but the main studio hasn’t had movie like that. Although maybe in Frozen 3 Anna and Kristoff have kids. If so I hope it’s a girl called Gerda who needs to find Elsa to save her cursed friend. You know, close to the original plot of Snow Queen.
@@sarasamaletdin4574 I mean Rumpelstiltskin was a major character in the live action show Once Upon A Time which was made by Disney. If you've never seen it, I highly recommend giving it a watch!
They forgot to mention that Tarzan chose to go back to England with her first before Clayton's betrayal changed his priorities towards protecting his family, where then Jane changed her mind near the end of the movie. So they both made the choice.
Also I think you need to take into consideration that he doesn’t really know the extent of what she sacrifices. He never lived it or really know much about what such a life might be like, even following her civilising efforts.
To add to this, Jane LOVES the jungle. Like, she actively shows a love for gorillas and the other beings in the jungle, its something she shares with her father. Jane has the capacity to enjoy and be free living in the jungle. Tarzan, on the other hand, doesn't know if he'd like London life, and he would be going back as a scientific discovery, making it far less likely he'll be happy in Jane's Victorian society. The choice she makes truly benefits both of them.
I've always adored The Princess and the Frog because it was one of the first movies in which I personally could ever identify character growth on *both* sides. It wasn't just "Oh, the guy decided he could give up his free wheeling ways," or "The hard working girl realized she had to cut loose once in a while." There was a middle ground that they discovered together. And then you throw in Lotti, who was willing to pass on her dream of marrying a prince so that she could save her friend. There is so much selfless love in this movie, and it remains a favorite of mine to this day.
I absolutely adore Lotti. I think a fair number of us can see ourselves in her or see Lotti in our best friends. Tiana and Charlotte grew up in completely different backgrounds, but that never really made a difference for those two. They were just BFFs. Lotti grew up spoiled, but she was never a brat. She always went out of her way to help her best friend. Lotti may be boy, or prince crazy, but she is the definition of sisters before Mr.'s. I love that despite her dream of being a princess, she realized her friend's dream was more important.
I wish you would have commented on how Hercules handled Meg's false advances! He's very respectful of her, she puts her leg down and he looks away and respectfully puts her leg back down, she lets her strap fall off of her shoulder and he fixes it instead of letting it stay down or pulling it down further. I dunno, it just means something to me that he was very clearly attracted to her and yet he respected her instead of objectifying her and looking when he had a chance to.
@@dollpickle he was an innocent teen but when he gulped when her strap was down he was definitely nervous. He was never exactly taught about flirting and such.
Respecting her? There was no reason for him to believe he would be disrespecting her if he reciprocated her advances. As far as he knew, she was very interested in him, and it wouldn't have been against either of their wishes-- especially hers-- had he, again, reciprocated her advances. It wouldn't have made Hercules a bad guy, had he done so. He had no context, and was oblivious to her circumstances.
Yes. I agree. That was awesome that they incorporated that into the movie. Tho I do think it had more to do with him just being uncomfortable in the first place as he's never been in a relationship before, but it's very nice to see that he's respectful of her anyway
They didn't talk about how Tiana basically sacrificed everything in the end as well. She chose marrying him and staying a frog over becoming human and getting her dream restaurant. She sacrificed her entire life's hard work up until that point. Hence they showed that they would both sacrifice anything for the other. In the end she became a princess and broke the curse because of their love.
I see this point get brought up a lot, but the thing is, she didn't really sacrifice her dream. Sacrifice involves personal choice, willingly giving something up in exchange for something else. She didn't willingly give up her dream restaurant to marry Naveen, nor did Naveen coerce her into letting go of her dream. Outside circumstances made it impossible to attain, so she made peace with that and let it go in order to be happy with the person she loved rather than blame him for the loss, becoming lonely and embittered. The loss of the dream restaurant is like putting an offer down on your dream house, or applying to your dream college, and not making the cut. It's outside of your control, so it isn't a sacrifice, it's just a lost dream. In a way, I think it was good for her to lose it, because I think making peace with the idea that you could lose the thing you want most can make you think about that thing in a healthier way (à la Jedi Code, lol). She was determined, but also I think a little misguided, when trying to make her father's dream of owning a restaurant come true. Having the dream snatched away allowed her to let go of that lingering grief over her dad's death and find a healthier reason within herself to want the restaurant. She realizes that the restaurant isn't the point of her dad's dream, her dad's dream is about doing things he loves with the people he loves most. So she's not being pushed to the brink of her capabilities by the weight of her dad's memory anymore, now she's walking hand in hand with the love of her life and blossoming into her own.
I don't see how not knowing how to change back is a sacrifice. They didn't have a choice. By happenstance, marrying her made her a princess so kissing a princess breaks the spell. They didn't have any other royalty around to try that on.
@@xejelahthey are sacrificing their dreams. The sacrifice isn’t them not turning back human, it’s them letting go of the dreams they would only be able to achieve as humans.
They also forgot to mention that Tarzan also did this for Jane first. He put on a suit and joined her and her father on the boat to adapt to the city life he knew close to nothing about.
What I loved about Tarzan’s ending is Jane’s father not only gave her his blessing, but stayed with her. You don’t always see that in films. It is always the parent letting go versus deciding to stay.
@@FioreCiliegia Well I mean that one makes sense as its a physical change, land or sea, it isn't just about a parent holding on or letting go. And honestly, a parent sticking around TOO long (Cinderellas stepmom, The Evil Queen from Snow White etc) can be a negative.
@@MisterMuffinut While I did know Lady Tremaine's name, I never heard of Queen Grimhilde before. Ive only ever heard her be referred to as "The Queen" or "Evil Queen" (or Regina) So maybe that's why
I love it when cats are portrayed respectfully, well... not as villains. Aristocats is one of those rare stories where I feel cats really get done good. So often they are villified and that hurts.
@JoyfulSorrow For some reason, you just reminded me of that scene in the movie, where the guy is having a glass of wine at an outdoor cafe, and he sees Roquefort the mouse chase the alley-cats. He looks at the bottle next to his glass for a second, before dumping its contents out onto the sidewalk. It was, like, "I've had waaay too much to drink." (9/28/2022)
I think Shang is more compassionate for Mulan and the why in that moment than you give him credit for. The very second Mulan reveals she did all of it to save her Dad, he immediately looks up in shock. Because he gets it. The war took his own father from him and he didn’t even get a chance to try to save him whereas Mulan sacrificed everything to save hers, fully accepting even the possibility of either dying in war or being caught and killed. You can see the conflict on his face as he considers whether or not to go through with the law of killing Mulan which eventually leads to his decision to let her go. There is compassion here even if Shang is putting up a front to keep his pride in tact and his soldiers still under his command. They both loved their fathers so much and as a result, they understood each other. Even if Shang is hurt about the deception, he still has to maintain his composure and have no outward compassion to keep pride and not look weak in front of his soldiers.
I actually didn’t consider that angle with his own dad. Who he only lost like days ago and she even consuls him about it after he found out. Like, she gets it. Good catch.
@@ThePa1riot I simultaneously loved and hated Mulan for trying to console Shang in that moment. She did what was in her nature; she saw someone hurting, and tried to ease that pain. And I love her for that. But on the flip side, her doing so reminded Shang that he couldn't be a grieving son in that moment; he had to step up and be a military commander. To him, a Commander cannot show weakness in front of his troops. He had to set aside his pain, his father, and his duty as a son to keep things moving so that more people didn't suffer the same fate. And every single time, I wish I could reach through the screen to tell her to give him a few minutes more.
@@warriormaiden9829 Right, it is bittersweet, because they are not at that level of vulnerability in their relationship yet, but a really great character moment for both of them.
@@warriormaiden9829 He would have had to face that eventually though. He did have a responsibility to carry on. If anything, her giving him her condolences might have made the reality of being orphaned so suddenly a little easier.
Shang doesn’t completely ignore the “why”. She tells him she did it to save her father and you can see in his face that this strikes a cord, as expected considering how recently he lost his own.
As someone who adores cats, I always loved Duchess' line of "Oh no no, we mean FAR more to her than that." I would think to myself, "you're damn right."
I can understand Edgar being pissed off though. He worked for the old woman for years but she leaves her money to her cats. Doesn't excuse him trying to kill them though.
@@Xehanort10 but the money would go to the cat’s _caretaker_ AKA him! All Edgar had to do was wait and he would have gotten the fortune anyway! Duchess can’t exactly take him to court over what he spends the money on 😭💀
Actually, Jonathan, Shang DID consider the why and that's what fueled his compassion. Watch the scene again and when Mulan mentions her father, there is absolute heartbreak in Shang's eyes since he knew the pain of worrying about his father at war all of his life but was powerless to save his life. If anything, Shang was angry, but saw her as an equal at least in motivation and truly admired that. Shang may not have been in love with her at the moment, but he respected and silently envied her sacrifice. Their bond is potentially the most powerful of any Disney couple.
This comment needs to go to the top of the pile!! I think Mulan is the most powerful story of respect between a man and a woman, and one where the man must actually confront all his prejudice about women, making the choice to value and support her because in proving herself she gives him no alternative. But it's in line with what you said about their trauma bonding, and feeling most connected to her, like when she gives him her support in the camp and when his father dies, because she's almost lost her father numerous times (when he fought and then when he was conscripted). It's also why I find it so cute that he's completely disarmed by her by the end, he's unused to the feeling of being on equal footing with a woman. Ah, Ancient China.
Yes! I think the fact that he left her alive is proof that not only did he see her as an equal but he also saw her side in wanting to protect her dad, it's just that he is also a leader and has to follow the rules so that his men will trust and follow him.
YES. Shang and Mulan have massively strong chemistry because they are character foils. they each feel trapped by the gender roles they were raised in, but Mulan says "enough is enough" and casts off her obligations to femininity at the very beginning of the movie, as soon as her father is threatened. her goal is simply to protect the people she cares about, by any means necessary. Shang is kind of a representation of the equally stifled other path. he was raised with obligations toward performing masculinity, and that has led him to his position at the start of the movie, as someone who is leading soldiers for the first time, and trying to do it well so as to put respect on his father's name and career. this concept of being someone respectable for the honor of one's family can be seen in Shang's attempts to lead his soldiers, and in Mulan's attempts to become a perfect bride. we even see these systems represented in the characters of the matchmaker on Mulan's side, and the emperor's attendant who constantly follows Shang around, recording everything he does and judging him. the scene where Mulan tells Shang that she thinks he's doing a good job, even though the attendant guy is constantly complaining, is important. because it shows that Mulan understands his struggle, even if Shang isn't privy to how different her perspective really is. Shang is still responding to his obligatory role, and Mulan knows that that's difficult. she's felt it too. but also, she only ends up in the same place as him because she rejected her prescribed role, and this frees her up to consider out-of-the-box options. like, Mulan isn't instantly good at masculinity either! she struggles with it, and it is not portrayed as the answer to her woes, or anyone else's for that matter. these expectations lead Shang's father to his death, and nearly kill Shang and all of his men as well. Mulan saves them in the mountains, because she is different from them. they could not do what she did. and by the end of the movie, what we're basically seeing is a reversal of positions, even as they lessen the burden of expectations for one another. think of it this way: Mulan was initially expected to be a good bride, but was judged inadequate by society's standards. then she goes off to be a soldier and eventually excels when placed under different expectations... but the key to that, is that she's being judged by Shang. and he is the type who eventually comes around on her methods when they're effective... he would rather see her succeed than be staunchly archetypal. meanwhile at the end of the movie, Shang doesn't have to exist in the context of war anymore, which frees him from the expectation that he be a good soldier, and the judgement of those who felt he was performing inadequately. he then goes to Mulan's home and tries to make a good impression by a different set of standards... and you know he'll be okay, because the one who would be "judging" him, is Mulan. the ball is in her court now, and she is equipped with the wisdom to both be herself, and let him be who he is. she doesn't need him to be archetypal if they can find a way to be happy.
Tarzan *was* planning to go to England with Jane first. Situations changed after his gorilla-dad died, so he had to change his mind, but I think it makes her decision a little more equal in context. She knew he was willing to sacrifice everything he knew to stay with her, then he had to sacrifice his future happiness with her to help out at home, so it makes sense for her to be like "you know what, I like this guy, I think it's my turn to give something up". ((I also think that her dad immediately deciding to stay in the jungle with them takes away some of the impact of her sacrifice, since she doesn't have to give up her family any more, but she didn't know he was going to do that so it doesn't impact the scale of *her* choice))
@@lunarsiren7216 I see what you're saying, but I think I disagree on the phrasing. Kerchak would be Tarzan's dad through relation of being Kala's partner. But emotionally he has shunned him and distanced himself throughout Tarzan's upbringing. From Kerchak's point of view it's a case of having lost his son only for his wife to go off and adopt a kid without considering his feelings. Tarzan becomes a symbol of loss-- both the death of his son and the rift between him and Kala. [Despite the fact, from Kala's POV, it's a case of help a baby or let it die. And her own grief can't allow her to have another child die when she can actively do something to prevent it.] .... So if anything, I think Kerchak is more 'mom's ex-husband' with Tarzan wishing he'd treat him like his son and that they could have a happy and accepting family.
@@richardwarnercool1 Technically, Tarzan's mom and dad built it, but they do fix that place up as their perma-home. And the general location becomes essentially a port for episodic characters to land, hang out for a while, and then leave. Jane's friends from England even show up in a couple eps.
I love that scene in the movie, because when he sees her kids (and obviously they're hers), he looks worried for a split second that he was flirting with a married woman. And he later becomes a father to them because that's what they needed.
YESSSS I’M SO GLAD THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT O’MALLEY AND DUCHESS. Aristocats was one of my favorites as a kid. I have a feeling they’re going to get a good rating because he’s all in, not just for her (even though that would be understandable, duchess is so dreamy), but for the kittens too.
I was going to thumb this up, but the Duchess comment gave me flashbacks to my short time as a furry. I shuddered. But yeah, O'Malley was a really good person, even though he was a cat. I recommend you watch don Bluth's Banjo The Woodpile Cat before it gets locked up in a vault somewhere like Gone With The Wind did just for keeping itself in-theme for the movie's setting, oh, and the era it came from. *Any who forget history are doomed to repeat it. And we're starting to see that happen.*
Okay but Wall-E and Eve are another great couple for people who come from different worlds (literally lol) but they come together and learn to accept each other. Plus Wall-E is such a sweetie
This is one of my favorite movie ever. But I’ll be honest, the #1 reason that I want them to do it is to see Jono masterfully extract all the details that make these two ridiculously “human” for robots.
My boyfriend and I grew up loving Wall-E and just how impactful the story was about taking care of the environment, an underdog saving an entire society, and the sweet love story of two robots. We were Wall-E and Eve for last Halloween, and I think it's such a healthy and beautiful relationship when the story ends. I remember I got mad at Eve for not seeing Wall-E's feelings and needs when I was little, but she had a mission to focus on. And when she did see what he sacrificed for her and took care of her during her shutdown, she pushed aside her mission to reciprocate.
ooh have they done a ranking Pixar couples video yet? Because them, Carl and Ellie, Buzz and Jessie, Woody and Jessie, Bob and Helen Parr of course, Colette and Linguini, Lightning McQueen and Sally, and Atta and Flik make for some interesting looks at relationships all 'round! (I think I got all the main relationships in Pixar films?? I guess Violet and Tony count too??)
My favorite Disney couple is Rapunzel and Eugene. ESPECIALLY if you watch Tangled: The Series, when he tries to propose to her, and she ultimately says no ( which is shocking for everyone. ) But GOSH, the scene where Eugene talks to her about it, and he's so understanding, compassionate, and basically says he'll wait as long as he has to to make sure she is ready, and he's sorry for springing the question so early. Just, ugh, they're good.
I love that in that show the writers gave them problems, real couple problems. It wasn't happy ever after. There were doubts and fears and so many little things that everyday people live through.
@@Simplenotion 😒😒we are talking about the DISNEY relationships... you think we care about your anti-colonialism crap? go read some REAL history (Like the original primary sources) and not that idiotic propaganda crap they teach in all the schools now.
Fun fact about me: I actually have met Susan Eagan (the voice of Meg!) twice and she LOVED it when I told her my name WAS MEG! She was such a wonderful person and gives really good hugs 😊
8:45 I think Shang does consider the Why of Mulan's deception. He reacted to her saying she did it to save her father, and remember he just lost his own father. And he spares her life even though the law says he must execute her.
And that’s why it’s a good thing that they don’t rush into a relationship by the end of the movie (curse Mulan II), because they need time to connect with each other without any disguises, deception, or societal expectations
@@catdragon2584 Yeah, I love that it end with Shang being invited to dinner with the family. It's just wholesome and realistic, as you said, for them to really start to get to know each other
Yeah, the thing about lies is that even if you do consider and somewhat understand the why, you were still deceived by this person. In Mulan's case that's what Shang is trying to get his head around but also why he's automatically distrustful towards her. It's actually quite apt that she asks why Mulan is any different from Ping because she is different, he doesn't know how much she lied about, how much of Ping is just a made up persona, etc etc.
I know Anastasia isn’t technically a Disney movie, but it still has one of my favorite animated couples in it so I’d love it if they talked about them. Or even the movie in general lol
Definitely one of my favourite non-Disney movie but wouldn't their relationship be on par w/ Hercules and Meg? He was only using her and didn't expect to fall in love. He got extremely lucky that she ended up being the real princess. Unfortunately, as w/ most Disney movies, I feel sad when I think about the true story.
I too am a sucker for the “one partner fumbling/being awkward but other partner finds it cute” trope. But these gentleman are correct is that it only works when they already like you. I could have use a bit more focus on Shang’s epic compliment, “you fight good”
@@angelita98gaby Also, given that the Emperor is Mr. Miyagi from the original "Karate Kid" movies, I was yelling at the screen, to Shang, to go catch up with Mulan!
I will have to rewatch that movie at some point. It was my first movie I saw in theater when I was about five years old and I hardly remember anything.
I think Ariel's willingness to throw away her life wasn't just because of Eric but because Triton had just committed a major betrayal of her trust and made her feel like she didn't really have a home where she could feel safe and be herself anymore. So at the time it didn't really feel like a sacrifice, it was like Luke Skywalker leaving Tatooine after the moisture farm was torched.
Exactly! Before the Under The Sea sequence, Ariel was talking about connecting with Eric while remaining with her family... and then Triton wrecks her room and destroys all her stuff in a violent rampage. Criticizing her choice to leave reeks of 'stay with your abuser! It'll work out, probably!' which is honestly shocking coming from this channel.
@@nikkipittman761 I think he clearly explained that he meant a totally dropping everything and everyone she ever knew. Perhaps he forgot about that scene. The movie is like 30 years old lol. They must have rewatched it for their new review. I'm checking it out now!
Yeah TBH Triton was _terrifying_ and I would've thrown it all away to get out, too. And it's totally fair not to factor in the sequel, but Ariel wasn't trying to dump her old life entirely - they had to come up with a plot device for that to even be a point of conflict. And then in the movie after that we find out Triton tried to _ban all singing_ because it made him sad. Seriously he is a monster. Ariel wanted legs so she could RUN.
Well at least some good old kick in the ass can still serve as a good punishment, while hurting a little less than in the face on the other hand, as a more peaceful measure (maybe if peace is always an option somehow ?)...just saying 😅
I love Meg as a character. I'm glad that you brought up the fact that even though she seems like a villain, she herself is a victim. It annoys me when ppl say "oh she started off bad but Hercules changed her view on people and she became good." No, she started off as a good person and got slapped in the face for it. I think that's extremely relatable. Trying to be a good person, but feeling like all it gets you is grief, so you just stop caring. Hercules didn't change her, he gave her a reason to be the good person she always was. Love them as a couple 🥰
I somehow feel like it’s maybe just a tad bit idk🤷♀️sexist?misogynistic? like if Meg’s a MALE then would people say pretty much the same stuff but with like a gender swap? or gender flip or idk🤷♀️whatever
I don’t think I can/could really remember comments with people saying stuff like that about Meg but then again hello! duh! Meg’s a SHE so um uh OF COURSE there’s gonna be people saying stuff like that about her she’d be basically like demonized/antagonized:(with a certain male coming along and like “fixing” her or something whatever I guess): for having been victimized by a male of course that’s what happens to FEMALES victimized by males another example being how a blonde girl/blonde woman having been liked by the male protagonist but she got sexually abused by her own father so let’s condemn and demonize her cause she got victimized by a rather abusive make obviously
@@noorbohamad5796 tbh if Meg was a guy it wouldn't really be talked about in this way. So many male characters get away with stuff like this or worse w/o being vilified by viewers. Ex. Aladdin, Bruce almighty, she's all that, 10 things I hate about you, breaking bad etc. I do see your point but I feel like you can't just genderswap an issue like this: Meg's situation is much like so many women today and in history, stuck with an abusive husband/boss with no way to get out of her situation because he controls her life. Yes men can get abused too but this is faaaaar more common and systemic with women. That's why it warms my heart to see them acknowledge the fact that she is a victim, even though what she's doing is wrong.
New idea for Disney couples to rank : - Esmeralda/Phoebus - very underrated relationship to me, especially compared to how Frollo lusts for Esmeralda and Quasi falls heads over heels for her and sees her as an angel. Phoebus sees her as who she is, they fight, argue, save each other a couple of times, and they kiss in the middle of the movie, so the rest of it is actually them being in a relationship and facing challenges together. - Beauty and the Beast just because I want to see how you guys handle the whole locked in a tower thing - Anna and Kristoff/Hans - compare the two dynamics we see in these couples - Not a Disney movie buuuuut sorta - Anastasia and Dmitry ! - The Encanto couple relationships - Felix and Pepa, Julieta and the dad, Dolores and Mariano...
For your next Disney couples list please look into Robin Hood and Maid Marian. They're the only Disney animated couple I can think of where they don't meet for the first time in their movie. They explain that they already have an established history of dating each other before the movie even starts and I think that'd be an interesting comparison to other couples who's relationships often moves pretty fast from meeting to falling deep in love, regardless of whether or not they get married by the end.
@@JapanFreak2595 Yeah, they spend a fair amount of the movie assuming what the other is feeling when they're not around, but once they can finally talk to each other again, they're very open to expressing themselves.
There's actually quite a few notableish others although they are not the prominent relationships in the film such as Jim Dear and Darling from Lady and the Tramp, Dodger and Rita from Oliver and company, David and Nani from Lilo and Stitch, and if you look at their second movie together with their first because it's an official sequel not a direct to DVD, Bianca and Benard from the Rescuers and the Rescuers down under.
I've always loved Naveen and Tiana, his character arc towards genuinely caring for this person and choosing to explore avenues that he'd never imagined for himself before just to support her dream that he knows she'd be successful at, ugh, it's amazing. The way she only falls for him after he started treating her with kindness and humanity too!! Disney got that couple so right.
O'Malley and Duchess is peak relationship goals. I love Eva Gabor's voice as Duchess and as Miss Bianca in Rescuers, she had such a beautiful rich voice.
Also, unrelated, but isn’t it just so cute to be able to associate Gabor’s voice to such iconic main characters who are both white and fluffy? And zoologically opposites, like mice and cats?! ❤️
Can we also appreciate the fact that from the word "go" Megara was being manipulated by Hades? It was not her decision to deceive Herc; she didn't have a choice. Even then, she stands up to Hades after getting to know Hercules: "I don't care, I'm not going to help you hurt him". And her character growth is amazing - she goes from resenting men because she was so deeply hurt by one to sacrificing her own life to save Hercules.
Robin Hood and Lady Marian for me, they were friends and seemed to have an equal relationship and communicated. Also he was so openly authentically vulnerable in front of all those soldiers, makes my soul cry every time, even now that I'm an adult.
Yes!!! Disney's Robin Hood is my all-time favourite male character. He was such a good person (fox?) And his relationship with Marian is beyond romantic
If you do a part three, maybe you could include Bernard and Bianca in The Rescuers. They're the first Disney couple who actually work together as a team. They're the kind of opposites attract where they balance each other.
Omg yes! They kind of remind me of Duchess and O'Malley (and I believe the voice actress for Bianca did Duchess too). If they ever rate or look into the Rescuers as a couple, I feel they'd be first place too.
@phoenixfriend Yeah, and they're a rare example of a Disney female lead actually flirting with and crushing on the _male_ lead first instead of the other way around and him having to chase _her._ It's a nice change of roles!
I'd love to see pacha and chicha from the emperor's new groove on the list sometime. Pacha's a great dad, they're such a cute couple and chicha is so helpful when they're trying to make it back to the palace before yzma. also robin hood and maid marian; one of the few relationships that had quite a bit of history and finding ways around the things that separated them
I love that Duchess and O'Malley were number one! They remind me of myself and my husband. We come from different socioeconomic backgrounds. He's more of that down to earth, says what he thinks type and I was raised to be more "proper" and gentle and censored in my speech. We had a lot of issues understanding why one another did certain things the way we did or why our life experiences shaped certain viewpoints that we held. You mentioned that O'Malley didn't really understand Duchess's love for her human and how that life meant so much to her, but he respected that it had importance to her and was sympathetic to that. In our relationship, we've discovered just how important that is. We don't always have the life experiences to understand the point of view that the other one has, but being sympathetic to each other and valuing each others feelings on things we don't understand has worked wonders for our relationship! I love hearing you talk about that because it really is super important!
Same here. I grew up an only child, not rich but not wanting for anything really, not spoiled but I never went hungry. Huge room, 4 poster bed, all that. My husband shared his room with his 3 brothers, didn't have hardly anything, and used an outhouse. DIRT poor. It really has shaped our lives, which in turn has shaped our marriage.
I think the one part you guys really missed on Shang and Mulan was the motive behind Shang trying to send Mulan away after they find out she's a woman. He was supposed to kill her, the penalty for what she did was death. He very well could have been trying to send her away for her own good, and the guilt during the parade is knowing that everyone is alive because of Mulan.
Next line up should include Quasimodo and Esmeralda! A relationship that goes from friendship with one hoping for romance to a really strong friendship and he is willing to do anything for her even though he knows she won’t love him the way he does and he ends up ok with it and it ends up being a healthy platonic relationship and he overcame a lot of self esteem issues
Next line up might as well also include Lady and the Tramp (and just when you thought things would go great for both of them… well, wait until the scene before the ending and after “He’s a Tramp”, Mowgli & Shanti, Bianca & Bernard (The Rescuers duology), Nani Pelekai & David Kawena and maybe even Chicken Little & Abby Mallard…
I actually heard an interesting view of Quasimodo/Esmeralda and why she wound up going for Phoebus instead. It wasn't because he was deformed. It was because Quasimodo and Frollo both fell into the opposite ends of a particular view of women (or a woman) called the "Madonna-Whore complex". Quasimodo put her on a pedestal and treated her like an angel, which is not a good place from which to form a relationship. Frollo, of course, saw only her sexuality and lusted after her. The song itself, shared by the two, might as well be titled "Madonna-Whore"... it is titled "Heaven's Light/Hellfire". But Phoebus (again, this is in the movie, I had already read the book and I know it's quite different) treated her fully like a woman - he was sexually and romantically attracted to her, but also acknowledged her strength and intelligence. From the beginning, when he saw through her disguise, he showed that he wasn't just looking at a pretty face, but regarding the entire person as a person. That was why he was the right man for her (again, in the Disney movie).
I recently rewatched Aristorcats and I was so surprised with how much I liked it. It was a lot better than I remember and it was refreshing to see a couple who actually got along at the start and were just happy to be in each other's company. Dutchess and O Malley are surprisingly one of the best Disney couples. Hell, ANY cinema couple for that matter! I wish more couples were like them in movies, instead of a lot of the shit we get in romcoms.
@@celianunn2070 I love Lady and the Tramp, but Aristocats has MUCH better characters and story. Lady and the Tramp is basically just another "naive young lady falls in (literal) puppy love with 'bad boy,' gets her heart broken, teaches him to settle down" plot, whereas in Aristocats both Duchess and O'Malley are experienced adults who enjoy each other as-is and have no issues with who the other is as a "person" (cat). Also Lady and the Tramp's excuse for a "story" is kind of all over the place, whereas Aristocats has an actual _plot._
@@GoddoDoggo "Pampered city girl falls for guy on the wrong side of the tracks' - both Lady didn't get her heart broken, there was a misunderstanding that quickly she got over And neither "teach" the guy to settle down, in both the guy CHOOSES to settle down "Like each other as is, and have no issues with who the other is" both do that Lady in the Tramp is actually easier to follow as it's been done hundreds of times. Aristocats is the same but with slight twists that make it different. Let me guess you grew up with Aristrocats as your favorite but didn't watch Lady in the Tramp at all?
I loved how at first O'Malley first meets duchess he was a bit taken aback by the kittens and by becoming their father but quickly accepts them in the same scene. Sort of like he was saying "oh well I guess I'm a dad now 🙂"
The Princess and the Frog will always hold a special place in my heart. The way Naveen looks at Tiana when she talks about her dreams is just amazing. He’s genuinely interested in her dream and wants to help her to get there even if he has been cut off. Although Tiana is blinded by her dream, this helps the plot so much because it leads to him showing even more interest in her dreams. They would both do anything to keep the other happy and I live for that.
I know right it is soooooo cute!!!! HAHA I hope one day I have a cute husband who compares me to a disney princess and he has a crush on !!!! Why do they raise the bar though my bar was already high to begin with!!!
My husband does this too ^^ Tangled came out when he first had a crush on me, and I’m a lot like Rapunzel, I’m an artist and optimistic and I like going barefoot (also I’m blonde) and now we’re over a decade later, five years married and he buys art of Rapunzel and Eugene cuz she’s still his favorite Disney Princess and mine too 🥹
O'Malley is an underrated male lead/romantic lead. He is even cool with her kids who aren't even his (obviously) but he forms relationships with them not to get with her but because it's important to her.
So true about it taking *way* more than love. Mom and Dad are kinda opposite sides of the tracks, Mom from a poor background and Dad being solidly upper-middle class. Dad was *thoroughly* smitten with Mom while, from her telling of it, Mom spent most of their courtship trying to *scare Dad off.* One of her attempts was bringing a list of questions from a Catholic pre-marriage course to one of their early dates and running through them like she was conducting a job interview. Dad's reaction? "Finally! Someone GET'S IT!" They've had a lot of rough patches, from Mom having to teach Dad what leftovers are to Mom almost dying, but they've been married 40 years and counting.
You two talked over Meg's line: "Sometimes, it's better to be alone. Nobody can hurt you." I've lost count of the amount of times I've watched "Hercules", and that moment always gets to me. The giggles I got from the rest of this episode were a nice mental distraction, because I'm typing this as a big chunk of my state is being torn apart by Hurricane Ian. (9/28/2022)
@@gummyheart7660 We're in Citrus County, and we had an extremely close shave. As close as the morning of the day it made landfall, we were sure it was going to make a direct hit. The footage we've seen of the damage is sickening. Which part of Florida are you in? (10/1/2022)
@@gummyheart7660 Same! I was lucky my aunt's house has a generator, but my house literally had its roof peeled off. I might get my water back so we can start washing stuff off tomorrow, but electricity is gonna be a while. The lines to my park like snapped in half.
Sometimes I forget you both have partners outside of this because you often give me the married for 30 years couple vibes AND THEN I remember that this is how actualy f*cking friendship looks like and apart from the amazing video I am very thankful to have you both on screen showing everyone that men CAN have very wholesome friendship with each other. I hope you get what I mean...
"none of those concessions are "I'm going to sacrifice who I am' as much as 'I'm going to expand who I am and what I could be and what my life could be.'" what an awesome line.
This is late and probably will be lost in the the thousands of comments but I honestly really like Tangled with Rapunzel and Eugene. Especially in their TV show (which is actually really good). They have a real and genuine relationship that I have never seen in any other Disney franchise. They also deal with Rapzunzel’s trauma in a way that many other shows shy away from.
Exactly what I wrote. They have so many opportunities to go the silly rom com route, like with the proposals or stallion etc instead both consider the position of the other, don'tget overly mad and they talk things through. They are the best role models ever
I think Milo and Kida from Atlantis: The Lost Empire would be a great addition to another Disney Couples episode! Their dynamic and the way their relationship progresses is really interesting; it feels like a cross between Tarzan/Jane (in the sense of Milo teaching Kida how to read her language) and Fix-it Felix/Sergeant Calhoun (in the sense of less physically strong but resourceful guy and strong woman).
PLEASE. The best relationship in Disney at all (ok caveat, David and Nani). There's no immediate kiss, no romance right off the bat, he's simply there to support and appreciate her and she's there to learn from and teach him. They're friends to start and they trust and respect each other. It's fantastic!
My husband and I have been together almost 14 years now. We are still learning and growing. I even had a moment, the other day, where I did something INCREDIBLY stupid and I am used to the yelling/screaming from parents and his in-laws making fun of me and calling me stupid. So, when he got up and asked what happened...my natural instinct is to lie to make myself look better. I just sighed and looked at him. Then I said, "I did something so f'ing stupid that I want to lie. I want to make it seem....not as bad....but I don't want to lie to you." Then I told him what happened. All he did....was come up to me and hug me. Then he asked how he could help. Now that's love there. I am so grateful to have moments like that.
I should have read the comments before commenting, this is exactly what I said! I've always loved the relationships in Ghibli because it's not all about the happily ever after
I really appreciate how you guys recognize the fact that with the lower ranked relationships, it starts out that way so it can grow into something better. Otherwise, there wouldn't be much of a plot or advancement in the relationships. I get frustrated when people act like Disney has awful depictions of relationships when it is supposed to be rough around the edges so it has somewhere to go. Some people think Woody is a bad character for trying to get rid of Buzz but without that, there would be no meaningful character growth. Anyway, I just appreciate how you guys acknowledged that.
I remember watching the Tarzan TV show as a kid, and even then I was impressed by how well they did Tarzan and Jane's relationship. They do have a Swiss family Robinson-esque house, so there's that, but the one episode that stands out most in my mind is when this lady from a lost civilization gets introduced. I think they have animal spirit powers or something, but she's clearly more adept at jungle life than Jane is, and she's actively trying to drive a wedge between the couple. Jane feels like she's not good enough, but when Tarzan catches on to what's happening he very sweetly says something to the effect of "I never thought of you as a burden. I will never look down on you because of what you can't do, and what you can do is pretty cool." This attitude has helped me in my own relationship, but I never made the connection until this video. So yeah, I will always root for Tarzan and Jane.
The people that Tarzan and Jane meet are African Natives. Not supernaturals :P You might be mixing up the episode with the were-leopards which did have a supernatural element to it with the main villain (Queen La) trying to break them up. Also Tarzan and Jane's house is the house that Tarzan's Bio Parents built when they were stranded.
@@horse14t Queen La, that was her name. I think it was the episode that introduced her. That was another cool part of the show, including stuff from other pulp adventure fiction of the time like dinosaurs in the hollow earth or lost civilizations. I think Edgar Rice Borroughs himself was a character on the show.
@@hana_flower875 it should still be on UA-cam, just search for it :) But yeah, I'm kinda mad that I already pay for Disney+ and can't even watch all of my favourite childhood series there. Also, they tend to not update their catalogue in my country when new seasons of current series come out.
Thomas O'Malley was the MAN! Ran across a damsel in distress and her children, takes the time out of his life to not only get them home safe, but also show them a great time and help take their mind off their problems, with zero expectation for anything in return. Then he stepped up even more to help save them again. Duchess is just an angel, sweet and devoted mother. Their love, including the kittens, seems like it develops naturally, with nobody trying to make it happen.
Disney channel also continued Tarzan as a cartoon show. They rebuild his parents’ tree house and live there. They also rebuilt the lab camp for Jane’s dad. I remember a few episodes where they talk about sacrificing for each other in their relationship like that. It’s really nice. They communicate well.
I watched the Aristocats for the first time about a year ago and I remember thinking that it was a beautifully made movie. The animation was stellar, the humour was well done and very adorable, and honestly, I thought the romance was one of the most legitemate and believable relationships in Disney's catalogue.
9:30 I used to think Shang just told Mulan to go home because he was angry at her for deceiving him too. And while I still think he was angry at her, I think he also was trying to protect her. He spared her life in the mountains, and here she comes, dressed in men's clothes, in a PARADE in the CAPITAL CITY. He knows he can't intimidate Chi-Fu into keeping his mouth shut like he did before. Not to mention his other soldiers. I think he believed her, or at least was open to the possibility, and was trying to make her leave before people started asking questions.
I agree. Especially because he showed up right away to help her and the friends out in the Emperor's palace. It was more 'Please, Mulan, are you REALLY not getting how much danger you and all of us will be in if you get caught . . . well, if you're going to go ahead anyway I'd better do all I can to help so we may have a chance of surviving this.' Coming from a military family, I loved so much of the nuance in Mulan and Shang's relationship and the realism of what it's like to be in the military and what you have to be prepared to sacrifice.
While I see your reasoning and where you are coming from, I disagree. When I watch the parade scene, right after Mulan told Shang that the Huns were alive, he immediately dismissed it. He didn't even take a few seconds to think it over. He just disregarded what she was saying, and if he was truly open to the possibility that there was an ENEMY GROUP IN THE CITY, I think anyone in their right mind would take necessary precautions, especially considering it's his job. And even he was trying to protect her, that isn't doing justice to Mulan, to her character, or her accomplishments. She saved his life, even if he didn't trust her, he should at least take her seriously. I think where their relationship left off is a healthy place, but I wouldn't defend his actions. (Not hating on the movie, the characters, or where their relationship was at the end of the movie, BTW. Love Mulan!☺)
I not agreeing that much. But indeed, seconds before the enemies went out of the dragon costume, he was 'looking around', suspecting and wondering. So, if could be that he was suspecting because he took in consideration Mulan's words, or he was just thinking 'wtf this dragon so close, they are breathing in my neck '
I'd also like to think that if the emperor got word of it, he would have executed Mulan and her family, and punished Shang for not reporting it. A woman in the military is against everything they believed in during those times
Well actually coming from a Black woman I loved "Princess and The Frog." I loved how they went a totally different route rather than two people liking eachother off the bat because one was royalty. I loved how Tiana was an independent, hard working woman because that's who I am, my mother and my grandmother are. Also how much she loved and admired her father, making his dream her dream. She just had to understand that his dream was more than owning a restaurant. I also enjoyed how they showed her that there is more to life than just working hard that if you work too hard you'll miss out on life. I enjoyed Naveens WHOLE transformation from being a spoiled little rich boy to a unselfish husband. Both characters balanced one another out, Tiana the responsible one Naveen the one full of life. They rounded eachother out. So, personally I very much enjoyed this movie it's one of my favorites. Because other than her skin, I seen so much of me. People who only fixed on her being a frog missed the whole reason why she was a frog. But hey, others opinion. Also Soul, soul was just beautiful art wise. There was enough black people and black culture in that movie to look past the main character being a spirit. But hey, again my opinion. Edit: Lol yeah, I wrote this at the shame part. Didn't see what was said after yet.
I kind of feel bad for saying this and please no offence at all; but I honestly feel like the people who complain about Tiana being a frog for most of the movie just came off as ungreatful, at least in my opinion they did. I mean they basicly went from "FINALLY; Disney's very first _black_ princess!!" to "I hate that she was an _animal_ for a big part of the film, RIP OFF!!"
@@scarysara9364 I mean, I used to think this as well but learned that just because they give us something doesn't mean we need to take it. I just think now how sad it is that they gave it so much hate that it really didn't deserve over something so small. Just like they did Soul, so our two movies with leading Black original characters were just dragged by my community. Yet those same individuals are okay and say "representation" when we are given Ariel. A mermaid who rarely speaks in the movie and has to go off her looks to get a man, because she literally sold her soul to pursue a man she's obsessed with and ends up marrying while disregarding her family in the sea. While just being 16 years old. Lol, so it's really frustrating but it is what it is sadly.
I loved tiana as a ‘princess’ she was a very charming character and her relationship with naveen was lovely too! I’m just disappointed that because the frog princess title has been taken I’ll never get to see the original story I love more then anything come to life…. Tiana is a great character but I don’t think the whole frog thing was the way to go about it Apparently the movie was based off the Frog Princess By E.D. Baker but that story is about a clumsy swamp loving girl (with a big nose btw refreshing not having a ‘pretty’ princess )on her journey to cultivate her magic as a witch decent in a world of magic not uh voodoo?
Glad you gave Tiana and Naveen the respect they deserve! They’re my favorite Disney couple because there was actual substance to why they fell in love. They both had something the other lacked. Tiana was hard working but never made time to have fun. Naveen only had fun and never made time for hard work. But by getting to know and understand one another, they learn that there needs to be a balance, ultimately, growing as both individuals and as a couple.
Mulan and Shang are my favorite because they have a relationship built on mutual respect. He doesn’t do a 180 when he finds out she’s a woman he already has a trust and respect but now that feeling can grow in an unexpected way. It’s the best because there was zero chance of romance when they met which means any emotions and impressions are pure and I uninfluenced by lust and romance. I think he’s allowed to feel a little betrayed by the lie but he comes around quickly and sheds an entire cultural norm and bias in less than ten minutes. He approaches the romance after with respect and no expectations. I don’t know I just think they are the gold standard of the Disney princess line up
OH GOD I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE. Disney relationships video 1 was the first video i watched on Cinema Therapy, and now im here months later , still absolutely addicted. I LOVE THIS
As other comments suggest, I'd like to see you guys cover Treasure Planet and the relationship between Jim and Silver. Also because Alan can tell us so much about the filmmaking aspect and the story behind it (the 3d drama with Disney). In videos like this, he gets kinda overshadowed by Jono's expertise, and his gets pushed back. As you said in this video, relationships shouldn't always be 50/50, but a healthy one always kinda ends up that way 😉 More Alan filmmaking knowledge!
Treasure Planet is such a good movie that Disney dropped the ball on regarding the advertising and then releasing it the same weekend as harry potter. They set that film up for failure which is so sad because its such a good movie! I'd love for them to talk about it.
These are always fun. Maybe some suggestions for next time: Nani and David (Lilo and Stitch) Pacha and Chicha (Emperor's New Groove) Esmerelda and Phoebus (Hunchback of Notre Dame) Bernard and Bianca (Rescuers/Rescuers Down Under) Lady and the Tramp
@Captain Mercurian true but its still kinda funny that "Ping" had *shorter* hair than a bunch of the men but the exact same beautiful womanly face and feminine voice as Mulan yet everyone is still like 😱 she's a ladyyyy?!?! Only when they see the chest binder. I feel like Li Shang was attracted to Ping, felt conflicted about it and overeacts during the big reveal ngl 😬
@@babyramses5066It's a slight cheat in the animation choices. Mulan as Ping not only has her hair up etc. but her eyelashes are drawn thinner when she's in disguise, and come back thicker when she's "revealed" to be a woman
I loved the advice at the end. I'm Navajo and was traditionally raised on the Rez most of my life. My husband is white, and his family had its own cultural traditions, ideas, and beliefs. We're about to celebrate 30 years of marriage, but it took a LOT to get us there. Lots of conversations, lots of compromises, lots of opening our minds to embrace what mattered to the other party. In the end, we blended our traditions together into what we call our 'family' traditions. We had mentoring and guidance which helped us navigate the pitfalls, thankfully, but it was real work to come together and maintain our own identities while we created our own blend of our traditions unique to our family but encompassing things that mattered to both of us.
@@lastyhopper2792 if that’s what makes you comfortable then yes, but nothing in life that is worth while is easily obtained. Even friendships are a bit of work to maintain and need clear communication.
This is such a beautiful story. It gives me hope for the future of humanity. Thank you for sharing. I hope you and your family continue to thrive and grow. 💙🔥
Congratulations on 30 years of marriage! I come from parents of a paralleling story (my Mom is white and my Dad is First Nations), but it didn't work out for them. Flash forward 15 years and everyone's much happier now :)
@Lasty Hopper, it's not for everyone. It requires a great deal of maturity to make a marriage work. Most people nowadays do not want to be mature nor do they want to grow and accept responsibility. It results in many broken relationships and marriages.
Yes, this! Perhaps even rank the worst to best Disney parents/parenting styles (Elsa and Anna’s parents are right up on the worst list for me, Mufasa and Sarabi are somewhere on the best list)
I saw a thought provoking argument once for why almost all of Disney's pre-2000s heroines wouldn't have had the struggles they had if the films hadn't written their mothers out of the plot. I'm glad that more recent movies have stronger and more nuanced relationships between the main character and their family members. Moana and Encanto and Coco are great examples of this.
What I love most about Cinema Therapy is, that not only have I gotten a BUNCH of great movie recommendations from Alan, I've also collected a bunch of fantastic quotes from Jono. This channel is a gift that keeps on giving
@@RosheenQuynh Because girls can start fights just like guys as well, duh...! Please, I have 3 younger sisters so trust me, I know what I'm talking about 😅
It’d be interesting to see you review Dreamworks romances as well-then you’d be able to cover Shrek, How To Train Your Dragon, and Prince of Egypt (if you wanted).
Shrek would be a standout choice since all four movies are about balancing their relationship with Shrek's (and initially Fiona's) self-worth. Meanwhile, Astrid and Hiccup's relationship, while it takes a backseat for the later films, shows a lot of mutual support and communication. It matures as they do as people. There's also a lot of small intimate moments, gestures that aren't overt displays of romance but signs that they're very comfortable with each other physically. Would also like to see an overview of Po and Tigress' relationship. She starts out looking down on him while he sees her as an idol. Then they become equals and eventually very close friends. I can't remember if they've touched on that progression as a whole in other videos.
@@BonaparteBardithion that was always something I loved about Hiccup and Astrid, is by the 2nd movie, their relationship feels still very loving, but also very lived-in. Small pecks on the cheek and quirks like playing with your partner's hair are much cuter to me than grand smooches and holding hands all the time. It shows the relationship hasn't necessarily settled, but has grown more comfortable in its love.
@@eyes_espresso4803 you should watch the series which fills in the time between the first two movies and does a great job expanding on them going from friends to lovers. Order Dragons: Riders of Berk Dragons: Defenders of Berk Dragons: Race to the Edge (2 year timejump)
Please please PLEASE do Lady & the Tramp next time you do a set of these! Class differences, difference in values, and friends in Lady’s life turning her off of Tramp based on outer looks are such good topics to talk about in a budding relationship and it still feels like a classic.
Something to note with Naveen and Tiana. Remember they went to Mama Odie wanting to be human but then she says "Y'all want to be human. But you're blind to what you need." Mama Odie says while Naveen wants to be rich again, what he needs is self-control. That is the self-discipline and work ethic to achieve things he wants, which is what Tiana brings into his life. Mama Odie and Tiana's mom points out that while Tiana has dreams and strong work ethic just like her father, he also had love for family and community and knew how to have fun and spread joy, which helped fulfill his life till his death which turns out to be what Naveen awakens in Tiana. In the end Tiana finds love and joy with Naveen, Naveen gains self-discipline with Tiana so both individual needs are fulfilled and so on getting married, Tiana becomes a princess which allows both to achieve their humanity and their dreams.
I love Hercules's and Meg's relationship. One of my favorite things about them is that they're like, one of the only Disney couples that actually go out on a proper date (and know that it's a date going into it). Lovely video!
I always liked how much more balanced and equal the relationship between mulan and shang was compared to other movies at the time. They worked the same job, they had the same fun coworkers, and they had a mutual respect with eachother. Its mostly the story setting these guys up with an awesome friendship and then giving them the chance for romance at the end. Its still my favorite, but for more personal than practical reasons.
I like how one of the animators, Glen Keane, animated Tarzan swinging through vines. He was inspired by his teenage son, who was doing a lot of extreme sports like skateboarding and snowboarding at the time.
Second, My favorite relationship in Mulan (as I got older with more rewatches) has to be Mulan with Chin Po, Ling, and Yao. The three of them struggled getting to like and know Mulan at first because they saw her as a screwup, but as she accomplished everything, they loved and respected her. Even when they found she was a woman, they were the (perhaps) the only ones who went “no!” when they believed that Shang was going to kill her. And they were the first to be happy with her return and willingly went along with the plan. That is beautiful.
They saw her as their commander above Shang, and it takes a lot of conviction in a person to be an army soldier with a mustache and full mutton chops to put apples in a bra, put on a hookers outfit and flirt with the enemy because the female your commander rejected said hey, we got this.
Note they full on ditched Shang without a glance as soon as Mulan looked in their direction. She had earned their respect more than he had, abs be dammed.
What I love about Tiana and Naveen the most is how they both improve each other and themselves. And I think it was summed up best when I met the pair at Disney World years ago and Naveen said to me, 'Do you know how it's true love? She's the only one who can make me wash the dishes.'
I love these ranking and discussion videos! Would love to see you guys extend/spinoff to a "Therapist Ranks Disney Friendships" video perhaps, to discuss and dissect platonic friendships and examples of healthy and unhealthy ones. Some ideas for that: Lilo and Stitch from Lilo & Stitch, Nick and Judy from Zootopia, Joy and Sadness from Inside Out, Remy and Linguini from Ratatouille, Marlin and Dory from Finding Nemo..
One of my favourite Disney relationships - actually Tarzan’s parents! We literally just see it for a few seconds but like the backstory in Up, they sure do tell a lot in an unbelievably short time.
I'd love to see you cover Treasure Planet, particularly its depictions of found father figures and parental abandonment. The film was absolutely killed by Disney in the move to 3D but Long John Silver and Jim Hawkins are absolutely amazing.
And heck just Capt. Amelia and Dr. Doppler… they only get like 10 minutes of shared screen time in the entire movie and that is all we need to know they are going to make it long term. They were Carl and Elle before Carl and Elle
My god I love this channel. You guys do such a good job of calling out actions that are red flags in relationships, but also of recognizing that it isn’t a black-and-white thing and that all relationships are different. I also really appreciate that you’re willing to talk about things like heteronormativity, racism, etc. instead of dodging around the topic or pretending it isn’t there, which is something that happens a lot in cinema analysis of various kinds. I feel like my knowledge of healthy relationships has improved massively since I started watching these, and I’m a lot more secure in what certain red flags look like and which problems can be solved. Thank you both. ❤
Haven't seen The Aristocats in a long time, I was not expecting the waterworks to come on with their conversation on the roof. Definitely the best couple of this bunch - really, the best family of this bunch, since the kittens and even Madame come out better for having the good ol' alley cat in their lives
If you two had ever seen the Tarzan and Jane TV cartoon series, you would know that they renovate the treehouse his parents built and she has a pretty darn good life in the jungle, to the point that when some of her school friends make their way to see her, they go from looking down on her life choices to envying her her freedom, her adventures, and her hunky hubbie. :)
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When did Hal do any favors for Roxanne just your own ideology and worse people thinking they deserve it.
Niceness is actions goodness is belief kindness is both
Goodness without niceness is
Do you think the defense attorney in the green mile was good. He believed he was guilty and didn't want him to get way with it . Do you wish real lawyers were like that
Talk about the series of these shows.
Did you watch the Tarzan series
I found it refreshing that Mulan and Shang aren't properly together by the end, but are taking it slow. They need time to know each other as themselves, and not as comrades.
Agree!! I also like that he visits her home and have her family knowing about him as they get to know each other. I really think, unless you have a toxic and controlling family, getting families involved early on is a wise thing. They know your greatest downfall and your best self. They have your best interest in mind. And meeting each other’s family doesn’t mean the relationship is now serious or has a level of real commitment at all. I always hated that pressure on meeting each other’s families.
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@@kittylover4974 Could you explain the pressure thing? Like, isn't that natural? :')
@@Liz66. The way I see it, there is pressure in wanting to show your best sides to the other's parents/ family and have them like you. However, I also dislike the ridiculous exaggeration in movies, when i.e. there's palpable fear of the SO meeting the parents or the father being all overprotective and threatening dismemberment. It's overplayed in cinema and therefore,too many people take it for real.
which obviously would be the best idea even if they hadn't met like they did since the 1st year of a relationship doesn't give you a real idea of who the person is unless you were friends first and feelings only came later.
watching two grown men contemplate on the similarities between their wifes and their disney princess crushes is the cutest thing i have seen in a long time.
it's wholesome.
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A happy marriage is dope af
And tarzan
This
With Shang, I noticed after a couple more watches that after Mulan told him about the Huns and before he meets the emperor, he does very subtly look around. So he did believe her. And as for Naveen, the very first time he meets Tiana, he flirts with her but she brushes him off. And rather than doing the cliche of pushing it, he just casually accepted the rejection and went on his way. I always liked that about him.
That's something as a kid I always liked about David from Lilo and Stitch. Other guys were very pushy in movies (even in disney), but David was ok with waiting for Nani until she was in a better place. He spent time with her and her family without any pressure or anger that they couldn't date yet.
@@happybunnyntx David is a gem
@@happybunnyntx It’s also clear that David has a great relationship with Lilo (like an older brother) and that his friendship with Nani is also solid.
He could have easily been bitter toward Lilo and tried to convince Nani to give her away, but he knew how important they were to one another; glad he wasn’t a “Nice Guy”.
THIS! On both parts. Shang had to almost pretend to hate Mulan for military/legal reasons. He did what he could do until all hell breaks loose and he could actually "listen to a woman." Naveen is straight up sex and I love that he learns to be more than that. He's a playboy who finds out there's more to life and that's actually kind of awesome.
@@TheMedicatedArtist david is a good egg.
O'Malley is also a VERY positive example of a stepfather entering into the lives of a mom and her kids. His main goal is always to aid the mom in not only raising and helping her kids, but also to make her, and therefore the kids, happy as well. They step up to a role where they really didn't have to, which my own stepfather did.
True, there are still very few positive portrayals of step-parents out there.
I always loved that movie and loved O’Malley wish I was lucky enough to have a step father that made my mother happy.
I love that he makes a point to include the kids in just about everything he does with Duchess. He gets a bit of one on one time with them and bonds with everyone individually and collectively. He doesn't try super hard to get them to like him, he just treats them with respect and is himself around them.
I wish my stepfather was like that.
@@Baldwin-iv445 The reason why we've got a strong "wicked step-parent" trope is probably that many people have bad relationships with a step-parent in real life.
Nani and David from "Lilo and Stitch" could also be an Honourable Mention. David clearly has feelings for her, and doesn't rush Nani into anything, knowing how hard it is for her to find a job and raise Lilo. He also treats Lilo like a little sister.
What I particularly love about that relationship is that it's a slow burn throughout the movies ❤
@@MikaMoonlight Plus he gets burned while working at the restaurant. He also jokes that she could date him, and they'll call it even when he gets her a job at the grocery store and she thanks him, asking him how she can repay him
Just going to say, Lilo and Stitch feels VERY different when watching as an adult, and knowing just what Mr Bubbles was doing there. The aliens coming in to blow everything up actually eases the tension.
Watching Lilo and Stitch with adopted siblings has given me a completely new perspective of this film. Mr. Bubbles is the antagonist for most of the movie, but he really does want what's best for Lilo. Furthermore, he is right. Nani is not in a position to take care of Lilo at the beginning. By the end of the film they have two new parents and the situation has changed for the better. Bubbles lets the family stay together because now that is what's best for Lilo.
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I love Aristocats so much. I love how even though Thomas is like "Oh shit kids???" for a second he immediately after gets this big grin on his face and starts doting on them, too. And Duchess isn't shamed for being a single mom ONCE throughout the whole movie.
Their cats though, being a single parent is normal lol
@@katlyndobransky2419 yeah obviously but it's a cat love story depicting human themes for humans to watch. The fact that the "single mom" theme wasn't shown in a negative light still counts for a lot.
@@LoreCatan no yeah I totally agree, but I feel like this theme would stand out a lot more if it was about an actual human single mom with children. I think this story’s message is mostly the fact that a single mother can still fall in love with a guy that loves her and her kids equally. I never questioned the fact that she was a single mother as a kid because they’re cats, and I knew that with animals, being a single parent is normal. Ofc changing the cats to humans would make the story really boring for a child, and I still love it non the less. But I feel like the idea of Duchess not being shamed for being a single mom falls flat just because she’s cat. However in all cases, single parents should NEVER be shamed. People change, and sometimes tragic things happen that we cannot control. Which is why I love the Aristocats’ message that some strangers can become family
Yeah, it’s definitely more progressive for its time and the owner herself is a happy bachelorette and not pining for a man. It’s too bad my 4 year daughter mover got into the movie 😔
Unless their kids turn out to be criminals. 😂👌
When they said “Tarzan better build her a Swiss Family Robinson palace”, there was a TV show and they moved into his parents’ tree house. Also there was an episode I loved when Jane’s friends from England actually showed up in the jungle, and Jane is like “Tarzan please wear this suit we’re going to have a garden party” but he refuses, thinking she’s embarrassed of him. So Jane’s dad talks to him and is like “she lives in your jungle world everyday. Would it be so bad if you lived in her ‘civilized’ world for one?” And Tarzan finally gets it. Honestly so many moments in that show that address so many marriage issues lol.
Yes! The show was great and it was great to see their married life
I'm so happy that someone else has also watched this series! Tarzan was my favorite movie as a kid, then I was obsessed with the show. I loved getting the deeper look into Tarzan and Jane's Relationship after her difficult choice made.
@@spamachuchan8824 Yessss the show is sooo good! They have their problems but it’s the way they always find an equal compromise
I haven't watched the series. But this scene is actually the one from the movie Tarzan and Jane
I’m sorry to say that I hated it as a kid because my mom made us watch it at all times and it’s because she saw it when she was a kid herself and she was just reliving her childhood I’m ok watching it now she was actually extremely happy that Netflix had it and rewatched it all
Watching this, I cannot believe how old the Aristocats is (1970) and how modern its romance plot is compared to some more modern Disney movies. I mean, single mom with three kids ? Lonesome alleycat who just wants to flirt at first but then takes the kids as his own ? Them working out their class difference AND the question of the kids AND Madam AND being healthy every step of the way ? Given it was the last movie Walt Disney was personally involved in, it's amazing how the studio evolved from Snow White and Sleeping Beauty to this dynamic, and the many layers of Duchess : she's a mom, but she's also a girl smitten with a boy, loves to sing and dance, cares for the kid and Madam...
I guess it was more possible to be "modern" if the characters were animals?
"Lady & The Tramp" is an unexpectedly mature story too, but they got away with it because the main characters are dogs.
"Snow White" and "Sleeping Beauty" are fairytales though and didn't need very complex romances back then.
It’s not like Disney can’t do “modern” but of course if they adapt cehturies old material they aren’t going to add the Prince or Princess having kids to it just to be modern.
Although I would love to see Rumpelstilskin from Disney. The second half of the story is when the lead is a mother is trying to save her child from the bargain she made with Rumpelstilskin in the past to save herself. The DisneyToons films Lion King 2, Little Mermaid 2, and Return to Neverland had Simba, Ariel and Wendy have children, but the main studio hasn’t had movie like that.
Although maybe in Frozen 3 Anna and Kristoff have kids. If so I hope it’s a girl called Gerda who needs to find Elsa to save her cursed friend. You know, close to the original plot of Snow Queen.
@@sarasamaletdin4574 Nice idea!
Single mothers have existed for a long time
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I mean Rumpelstiltskin was a major character in the live action show Once Upon A Time which was made by Disney. If you've never seen it, I highly recommend giving it a watch!
They forgot to mention that Tarzan chose to go back to England with her first before Clayton's betrayal changed his priorities towards protecting his family, where then Jane changed her mind near the end of the movie. So they both made the choice.
Yes! Exactly! I was surprised they didn't mention that part!
Also I think you need to take into consideration that he doesn’t really know the extent of what she sacrifices. He never lived it or really know much about what such a life might be like, even following her civilising efforts.
@@nurainiarsad7395 still as a man reised by monkeys he is way more human then most people
To add to this, Jane LOVES the jungle. Like, she actively shows a love for gorillas and the other beings in the jungle, its something she shares with her father. Jane has the capacity to enjoy and be free living in the jungle. Tarzan, on the other hand, doesn't know if he'd like London life, and he would be going back as a scientific discovery, making it far less likely he'll be happy in Jane's Victorian society. The choice she makes truly benefits both of them.
@@noahxavier6253 well said!
I've always adored The Princess and the Frog because it was one of the first movies in which I personally could ever identify character growth on *both* sides. It wasn't just "Oh, the guy decided he could give up his free wheeling ways," or "The hard working girl realized she had to cut loose once in a while." There was a middle ground that they discovered together. And then you throw in Lotti, who was willing to pass on her dream of marrying a prince so that she could save her friend. There is so much selfless love in this movie, and it remains a favorite of mine to this day.
I absolutely adore Lotti. I think a fair number of us can see ourselves in her or see Lotti in our best friends. Tiana and Charlotte grew up in completely different backgrounds, but that never really made a difference for those two. They were just BFFs. Lotti grew up spoiled, but she was never a brat. She always went out of her way to help her best friend. Lotti may be boy, or prince crazy, but she is the definition of sisters before Mr.'s. I love that despite her dream of being a princess, she realized her friend's dream was more important.
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Yup. Underrated movie for sure
Lottie is HILARIOUS.
The Princess and the frog is probably the best not talked about Disney films
I wish you would have commented on how Hercules handled Meg's false advances! He's very respectful of her, she puts her leg down and he looks away and respectfully puts her leg back down, she lets her strap fall off of her shoulder and he fixes it instead of letting it stay down or pulling it down further. I dunno, it just means something to me that he was very clearly attracted to her and yet he respected her instead of objectifying her and looking when he had a chance to.
i feel like he was just more of uncomfortable than wanting to respect her, he seemed really thrown off by her weird actions.
@@dollpickle he was an innocent teen but when he gulped when her strap was down he was definitely nervous. He was never exactly taught about flirting and such.
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Respecting her?
There was no reason for him to believe he would be disrespecting her if he reciprocated her advances.
As far as he knew, she was very interested in him, and it wouldn't have been against either of their wishes-- especially hers-- had he, again, reciprocated her advances.
It wouldn't have made Hercules a bad guy, had he done so.
He had no context, and was oblivious to her circumstances.
Yes. I agree. That was awesome that they incorporated that into the movie. Tho I do think it had more to do with him just being uncomfortable in the first place as he's never been in a relationship before, but it's very nice to see that he's respectful of her anyway
They didn't talk about how Tiana basically sacrificed everything in the end as well.
She chose marrying him and staying a frog over becoming human and getting her dream restaurant. She sacrificed her entire life's hard work up until that point.
Hence they showed that they would both sacrifice anything for the other.
In the end she became a princess and broke the curse because of their love.
I see this point get brought up a lot, but the thing is, she didn't really sacrifice her dream. Sacrifice involves personal choice, willingly giving something up in exchange for something else. She didn't willingly give up her dream restaurant to marry Naveen, nor did Naveen coerce her into letting go of her dream. Outside circumstances made it impossible to attain, so she made peace with that and let it go in order to be happy with the person she loved rather than blame him for the loss, becoming lonely and embittered. The loss of the dream restaurant is like putting an offer down on your dream house, or applying to your dream college, and not making the cut. It's outside of your control, so it isn't a sacrifice, it's just a lost dream.
In a way, I think it was good for her to lose it, because I think making peace with the idea that you could lose the thing you want most can make you think about that thing in a healthier way (à la Jedi Code, lol). She was determined, but also I think a little misguided, when trying to make her father's dream of owning a restaurant come true. Having the dream snatched away allowed her to let go of that lingering grief over her dad's death and find a healthier reason within herself to want the restaurant. She realizes that the restaurant isn't the point of her dad's dream, her dad's dream is about doing things he loves with the people he loves most. So she's not being pushed to the brink of her capabilities by the weight of her dad's memory anymore, now she's walking hand in hand with the love of her life and blossoming into her own.
I don't see how not knowing how to change back is a sacrifice. They didn't have a choice. By happenstance, marrying her made her a princess so kissing a princess breaks the spell. They didn't have any other royalty around to try that on.
@@xejelah still the best couple
@@xejelahthey are sacrificing their dreams. The sacrifice isn’t them not turning back human, it’s them letting go of the dreams they would only be able to achieve as humans.
They also forgot to mention that Tarzan also did this for Jane first. He put on a suit and joined her and her father on the boat to adapt to the city life he knew close to nothing about.
What I loved about Tarzan’s ending is Jane’s father not only gave her his blessing, but stayed with her. You don’t always see that in films. It is always the parent letting go versus deciding to stay.
Yeah imagine Tritan just going “you know i bet I’d look great with legs and it would be a great diplomatic opportunity…”
@@FioreCiliegia Well I mean that one makes sense as its a physical change, land or sea, it isn't just about a parent holding on or letting go. And honestly, a parent sticking around TOO long (Cinderellas stepmom, The Evil Queen from Snow White etc) can be a negative.
@@celianunn2070 Why does nobody know their names are Lady Tremaine (Cinderella) and Queen Grimhilde (Snow White)
@@FioreCiliegia That would've sucked for Ariel. I'm sure she very much appreciated the distance from him considering he's a terrible parent.
@@MisterMuffinut While I did know Lady Tremaine's name, I never heard of Queen Grimhilde before. Ive only ever heard her be referred to as "The Queen" or "Evil Queen" (or Regina) So maybe that's why
I love it when cats are portrayed respectfully, well... not as villains. Aristocats is one of those rare stories where I feel cats really get done good. So often they are villified and that hurts.
@JoyfulSorrow For some reason, you just reminded me of that scene in the movie, where the guy is having a glass of wine at an outdoor cafe, and he sees Roquefort the mouse chase the alley-cats. He looks at the bottle next to his glass for a second, before dumping its contents out onto the sidewalk. It was, like, "I've had waaay too much to drink."
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@@daniellemusella1594 That was a fun scene. 😄
@@daniellemusella1594 That was EXACTLY the scene I was going to comment on, when I saw this... It was hilarious!
Couldn't have written or expressed that better myself, EXACTLY like my thoughts..!😸😻
Wait a minute... ARISTOCATS
How did nobody catch this pun!
You cheeky bastard!
I think Shang is more compassionate for Mulan and the why in that moment than you give him credit for. The very second Mulan reveals she did all of it to save her Dad, he immediately looks up in shock. Because he gets it. The war took his own father from him and he didn’t even get a chance to try to save him whereas Mulan sacrificed everything to save hers, fully accepting even the possibility of either dying in war or being caught and killed. You can see the conflict on his face as he considers whether or not to go through with the law of killing Mulan which eventually leads to his decision to let her go. There is compassion here even if Shang is putting up a front to keep his pride in tact and his soldiers still under his command. They both loved their fathers so much and as a result, they understood each other.
Even if Shang is hurt about the deception, he still has to maintain his composure and have no outward compassion to keep pride and not look weak in front of his soldiers.
I actually didn’t consider that angle with his own dad. Who he only lost like days ago and she even consuls him about it after he found out. Like, she gets it.
Good catch.
@@ThePa1riot I simultaneously loved and hated Mulan for trying to console Shang in that moment. She did what was in her nature; she saw someone hurting, and tried to ease that pain. And I love her for that. But on the flip side, her doing so reminded Shang that he couldn't be a grieving son in that moment; he had to step up and be a military commander. To him, a Commander cannot show weakness in front of his troops. He had to set aside his pain, his father, and his duty as a son to keep things moving so that more people didn't suffer the same fate. And every single time, I wish I could reach through the screen to tell her to give him a few minutes more.
@@warriormaiden9829 Right, it is bittersweet, because they are not at that level of vulnerability in their relationship yet, but a really great character moment for both of them.
i agree
@@warriormaiden9829 He would have had to face that eventually though. He did have a responsibility to carry on. If anything, her giving him her condolences might have made the reality of being orphaned so suddenly a little easier.
Shang doesn’t completely ignore the “why”. She tells him she did it to save her father and you can see in his face that this strikes a cord, as expected considering how recently he lost his own.
Agreed. It's a factor in him letting her go without punishment instead of death as is expected.
As someone who adores cats, I always loved Duchess' line of "Oh no no, we mean FAR more to her than that." I would think to myself, "you're damn right."
They are most definitely our fur babies
My cat is named Berlioz. Love the aristocats.
I can understand Edgar being pissed off though. He worked for the old woman for years but she leaves her money to her cats. Doesn't excuse him trying to kill them though.
@@Xehanort10 to be fair, this is an education issue. No one ever told him cats DON'T have nine lives.
@@Xehanort10 but the money would go to the cat’s _caretaker_ AKA him! All Edgar had to do was wait and he would have gotten the fortune anyway! Duchess can’t exactly take him to court over what he spends the money on 😭💀
Actually, Jonathan, Shang DID consider the why and that's what fueled his compassion. Watch the scene again and when Mulan mentions her father, there is absolute heartbreak in Shang's eyes since he knew the pain of worrying about his father at war all of his life but was powerless to save his life. If anything, Shang was angry, but saw her as an equal at least in motivation and truly admired that. Shang may not have been in love with her at the moment, but he respected and silently envied her sacrifice. Their bond is potentially the most powerful of any Disney couple.
This comment needs to go to the top of the pile!! I think Mulan is the most powerful story of respect between a man and a woman, and one where the man must actually confront all his prejudice about women, making the choice to value and support her because in proving herself she gives him no alternative. But it's in line with what you said about their trauma bonding, and feeling most connected to her, like when she gives him her support in the camp and when his father dies, because she's almost lost her father numerous times (when he fought and then when he was conscripted). It's also why I find it so cute that he's completely disarmed by her by the end, he's unused to the feeling of being on equal footing with a woman. Ah, Ancient China.
Ooooh, I agree. I like this angle.
Yes! I think the fact that he left her alive is proof that not only did he see her as an equal but he also saw her side in wanting to protect her dad, it's just that he is also a leader and has to follow the rules so that his men will trust and follow him.
YES. Shang and Mulan have massively strong chemistry because they are character foils. they each feel trapped by the gender roles they were raised in, but Mulan says "enough is enough" and casts off her obligations to femininity at the very beginning of the movie, as soon as her father is threatened. her goal is simply to protect the people she cares about, by any means necessary.
Shang is kind of a representation of the equally stifled other path. he was raised with obligations toward performing masculinity, and that has led him to his position at the start of the movie, as someone who is leading soldiers for the first time, and trying to do it well so as to put respect on his father's name and career. this concept of being someone respectable for the honor of one's family can be seen in Shang's attempts to lead his soldiers, and in Mulan's attempts to become a perfect bride. we even see these systems represented in the characters of the matchmaker on Mulan's side, and the emperor's attendant who constantly follows Shang around, recording everything he does and judging him. the scene where Mulan tells Shang that she thinks he's doing a good job, even though the attendant guy is constantly complaining, is important. because it shows that Mulan understands his struggle, even if Shang isn't privy to how different her perspective really is. Shang is still responding to his obligatory role, and Mulan knows that that's difficult. she's felt it too. but also, she only ends up in the same place as him because she rejected her prescribed role, and this frees her up to consider out-of-the-box options.
like, Mulan isn't instantly good at masculinity either! she struggles with it, and it is not portrayed as the answer to her woes, or anyone else's for that matter. these expectations lead Shang's father to his death, and nearly kill Shang and all of his men as well. Mulan saves them in the mountains, because she is different from them. they could not do what she did.
and by the end of the movie, what we're basically seeing is a reversal of positions, even as they lessen the burden of expectations for one another. think of it this way: Mulan was initially expected to be a good bride, but was judged inadequate by society's standards. then she goes off to be a soldier and eventually excels when placed under different expectations... but the key to that, is that she's being judged by Shang. and he is the type who eventually comes around on her methods when they're effective... he would rather see her succeed than be staunchly archetypal. meanwhile at the end of the movie, Shang doesn't have to exist in the context of war anymore, which frees him from the expectation that he be a good soldier, and the judgement of those who felt he was performing inadequately. he then goes to Mulan's home and tries to make a good impression by a different set of standards... and you know he'll be okay, because the one who would be "judging" him, is Mulan. the ball is in her court now, and she is equipped with the wisdom to both be herself, and let him be who he is. she doesn't need him to be archetypal if they can find a way to be happy.
Does everyone agree that Mulan 2 was garbage though?
Tarzan *was* planning to go to England with Jane first. Situations changed after his gorilla-dad died, so he had to change his mind, but I think it makes her decision a little more equal in context. She knew he was willing to sacrifice everything he knew to stay with her, then he had to sacrifice his future happiness with her to help out at home, so it makes sense for her to be like "you know what, I like this guy, I think it's my turn to give something up".
((I also think that her dad immediately deciding to stay in the jungle with them takes away some of the impact of her sacrifice, since she doesn't have to give up her family any more, but she didn't know he was going to do that so it doesn't impact the scale of *her* choice))
I'm also fairly certain that in the animated series, Tarzan did build her a Swiss Family Robinson house.
I snortlaughed reading the gorilla-dad part. It just sounds hilarious. But he’s gorilla-stepdad, right? 😂
@@lunarsiren7216 I see what you're saying, but I think I disagree on the phrasing. Kerchak would be Tarzan's dad through relation of being Kala's partner. But emotionally he has shunned him and distanced himself throughout Tarzan's upbringing. From Kerchak's point of view it's a case of having lost his son only for his wife to go off and adopt a kid without considering his feelings. Tarzan becomes a symbol of loss-- both the death of his son and the rift between him and Kala. [Despite the fact, from Kala's POV, it's a case of help a baby or let it die. And her own grief can't allow her to have another child die when she can actively do something to prevent it.]
.... So if anything, I think Kerchak is more 'mom's ex-husband' with Tarzan wishing he'd treat him like his son and that they could have a happy and accepting family.
@@DarkwingSnark i think you hit the nail on the head with your analysis.
@@richardwarnercool1 Technically, Tarzan's mom and dad built it, but they do fix that place up as their perma-home. And the general location becomes essentially a port for episodic characters to land, hang out for a while, and then leave.
Jane's friends from England even show up in a couple eps.
I always loved O'Malley. He never tried to do nice things in order to get with Duchess. He just genuinely wanted to help her and her kittens.
I love that scene in the movie, because when he sees her kids (and obviously they're hers), he looks worried for a split second that he was flirting with a married woman. And he later becomes a father to them because that's what they needed.
@@BPJD2004i thought it was like a "oh sh*t she has kids"
YESSSS I’M SO GLAD THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT O’MALLEY AND DUCHESS. Aristocats was one of my favorites as a kid. I have a feeling they’re going to get a good rating because he’s all in, not just for her (even though that would be understandable, duchess is so dreamy), but for the kittens too.
YES!☺ They are my FAVORITE couple 😽😽
You mean Aristocats
stepdad goals for sure!
@@pokemonacer autocorrect 🙄
I was going to thumb this up, but the Duchess comment gave me flashbacks to my short time as a furry. I shuddered. But yeah, O'Malley was a really good person, even though he was a cat. I recommend you watch don Bluth's Banjo The Woodpile Cat before it gets locked up in a vault somewhere like Gone With The Wind did just for keeping itself in-theme for the movie's setting, oh, and the era it came from.
*Any who forget history are doomed to repeat it. And we're starting to see that happen.*
Okay but Wall-E and Eve are another great couple for people who come from different worlds (literally lol) but they come together and learn to accept each other. Plus Wall-E is such a sweetie
This is one of my favorite movie ever.
But I’ll be honest, the #1 reason that I want them to do it is to see Jono masterfully extract all the details that make these two ridiculously “human” for robots.
¡¡I LOVE THAT MOVIE!!
My boyfriend and I grew up loving Wall-E and just how impactful the story was about taking care of the environment, an underdog saving an entire society, and the sweet love story of two robots. We were Wall-E and Eve for last Halloween, and I think it's such a healthy and beautiful relationship when the story ends. I remember I got mad at Eve for not seeing Wall-E's feelings and needs when I was little, but she had a mission to focus on. And when she did see what he sacrificed for her and took care of her during her shutdown, she pushed aside her mission to reciprocate.
ooh have they done a ranking Pixar couples video yet? Because them, Carl and Ellie, Buzz and Jessie, Woody and Jessie, Bob and Helen Parr of course, Colette and Linguini, Lightning McQueen and Sally, and Atta and Flik make for some interesting looks at relationships all 'round! (I think I got all the main relationships in Pixar films?? I guess Violet and Tony count too??)
Yasss! They need to include WALL·E and eve in their ranks!
My favorite Disney couple is Rapunzel and Eugene. ESPECIALLY if you watch Tangled: The Series, when he tries to propose to her, and she ultimately says no ( which is shocking for everyone. ) But GOSH, the scene where Eugene talks to her about it, and he's so understanding, compassionate, and basically says he'll wait as long as he has to to make sure she is ready, and he's sorry for springing the question so early. Just, ugh, they're good.
Yes! They’re definitely my favorite along with Pocahontas and John Smith! Both are very beautiful couples and are my favorite Disney movies too!
@@kristinahuchison2511 You do know about the real story, right?
She eventually decided to propose to him instead. Though things happened instead.
I love that in that show the writers gave them problems, real couple problems. It wasn't happy ever after. There were doubts and fears and so many little things that everyday people live through.
@@Simplenotion 😒😒we are talking about the DISNEY relationships...
you think we care about your anti-colonialism crap? go read some REAL history (Like the original primary sources) and not that idiotic propaganda crap they teach in all the schools now.
Fun fact about me: I actually have met Susan Eagan (the voice of Meg!) twice and she LOVED it when I told her my name WAS MEG! She was such a wonderful person and gives really good hugs 😊
8:45 I think Shang does consider the Why of Mulan's deception. He reacted to her saying she did it to save her father, and remember he just lost his own father. And he spares her life even though the law says he must execute her.
Yeah. His reaction wasn't "perfect" but it was realistic. And he had to get his head around a lot of cultural bias.
And that’s why it’s a good thing that they don’t rush into a relationship by the end of the movie (curse Mulan II), because they need time to connect with each other without any disguises, deception, or societal expectations
@@catdragon2584 Yeah, I love that it end with Shang being invited to dinner with the family. It's just wholesome and realistic, as you said, for them to really start to get to know each other
Yeah, the thing about lies is that even if you do consider and somewhat understand the why, you were still deceived by this person. In Mulan's case that's what Shang is trying to get his head around but also why he's automatically distrustful towards her. It's actually quite apt that she asks why Mulan is any different from Ping because she is different, he doesn't know how much she lied about, how much of Ping is just a made up persona, etc etc.
Thank you for writing this, because I immediately starting twitching when he said that! 😆
I know Anastasia isn’t technically a Disney movie, but it still has one of my favorite animated couples in it so I’d love it if they talked about them. Or even the movie in general lol
its part of disney now. they bought the rights to it
@@sierralovat5498 if that's true: i hate it respectfully 😭🥲
Yess, we need an Anastasia and Dimitri relationship video.
For years, we go around correcting people only for Disney to retroactively flip the tables
Definitely one of my favourite non-Disney movie but wouldn't their relationship be on par w/ Hercules and Meg? He was only using her and didn't expect to fall in love. He got extremely lucky that she ended up being the real princess. Unfortunately, as w/ most Disney movies, I feel sad when I think about the true story.
I too am a sucker for the “one partner fumbling/being awkward but other partner finds it cute” trope. But these gentleman are correct is that it only works when they already like you. I could have use a bit more focus on Shang’s epic compliment, “you fight good”
But does she jump good?
@@gentlemanlygeeky4088 this is funnier to me than it should be because part of my fitness journey right now is working on my jumping
@@Pikepaw not to mention the emperor having to tell him to go for it…twice
“you don’t find a girl like **that** every dynasty”
@@angelita98gaby Also, given that the Emperor is Mr. Miyagi from the original "Karate Kid" movies, I was yelling at the screen, to Shang, to go catch up with Mulan!
@@angelita98gaby facts 😎
Aristocrats is such a cute movie, and I absolutely love the female voice and the terms of endearment they use like "darling" it's just so cute
I will have to rewatch that movie at some point. It was my first movie I saw in theater when I was about five years old and I hardly remember anything.
Eva Gabor. She’s also great on green acres
I think Ariel's willingness to throw away her life wasn't just because of Eric but because Triton had just committed a major betrayal of her trust and made her feel like she didn't really have a home where she could feel safe and be herself anymore. So at the time it didn't really feel like a sacrifice, it was like Luke Skywalker leaving Tatooine after the moisture farm was torched.
Exactly! Before the Under The Sea sequence, Ariel was talking about connecting with Eric while remaining with her family... and then Triton wrecks her room and destroys all her stuff in a violent rampage. Criticizing her choice to leave reeks of 'stay with your abuser! It'll work out, probably!' which is honestly shocking coming from this channel.
Amen 🙌🏼
@@nikkipittman761 I think he clearly explained that he meant a totally dropping everything and everyone she ever knew. Perhaps he forgot about that scene. The movie is like 30 years old lol. They must have rewatched it for their new review. I'm checking it out now!
Yeah TBH Triton was _terrifying_ and I would've thrown it all away to get out, too.
And it's totally fair not to factor in the sequel, but Ariel wasn't trying to dump her old life entirely - they had to come up with a plot device for that to even be a point of conflict.
And then in the movie after that we find out Triton tried to _ban all singing_ because it made him sad. Seriously he is a monster. Ariel wanted legs so she could RUN.
Also she was pretty much obsessed with humans and their world way before she met Eric
“More people need to get kicked in the face” is the best thing I’ve ever heard Alan say 😂
Well at least some good old kick in the ass can still serve as a good punishment, while hurting a little less than in the face on the other hand, as a more peaceful measure (maybe if peace is always an option somehow ?)...just saying 😅
@LauraKlotz So was running his fingers through his hair, and referring to himself in Meg's words: "-- a big, though girl".
(9/28/2022)
I love Meg as a character. I'm glad that you brought up the fact that even though she seems like a villain, she herself is a victim. It annoys me when ppl say "oh she started off bad but Hercules changed her view on people and she became good." No, she started off as a good person and got slapped in the face for it. I think that's extremely relatable. Trying to be a good person, but feeling like all it gets you is grief, so you just stop caring. Hercules didn't change her, he gave her a reason to be the good person she always was. Love them as a couple 🥰
I somehow feel like it’s maybe just a tad bit idk🤷♀️sexist?misogynistic? like if Meg’s a MALE then would people say pretty much the same stuff
but with like a gender swap?
or gender flip or idk🤷♀️whatever
I don’t think I can/could really remember comments with people saying stuff like that about Meg but then again hello! duh! Meg’s a SHE so um uh
OF COURSE there’s gonna be people saying stuff like that about her she’d be basically like demonized/antagonized:(with a certain male coming along and like “fixing” her or something whatever I guess): for having been victimized by a male of course that’s what happens to FEMALES victimized by males another example being how a blonde girl/blonde woman having been liked by the male protagonist but she got sexually abused by her own father so let’s condemn and demonize her cause she got victimized by a rather abusive make obviously
@@noorbohamad5796 tbh if Meg was a guy it wouldn't really be talked about in this way. So many male characters get away with stuff like this or worse w/o being vilified by viewers. Ex. Aladdin, Bruce almighty, she's all that, 10 things I hate about you, breaking bad etc. I do see your point but I feel like you can't just genderswap an issue like this: Meg's situation is much like so many women today and in history, stuck with an abusive husband/boss with no way to get out of her situation because he controls her life. Yes men can get abused too but this is faaaaar more common and systemic with women.
That's why it warms my heart to see them acknowledge the fact that she is a victim, even though what she's doing is wrong.
New idea for Disney couples to rank :
- Esmeralda/Phoebus - very underrated relationship to me, especially compared to how Frollo lusts for Esmeralda and Quasi falls heads over heels for her and sees her as an angel. Phoebus sees her as who she is, they fight, argue, save each other a couple of times, and they kiss in the middle of the movie, so the rest of it is actually them being in a relationship and facing challenges together.
- Beauty and the Beast just because I want to see how you guys handle the whole locked in a tower thing
- Anna and Kristoff/Hans - compare the two dynamics we see in these couples
- Not a Disney movie buuuuut sorta - Anastasia and Dmitry !
- The Encanto couple relationships - Felix and Pepa, Julieta and the dad, Dolores and Mariano...
They did a video about "Beauty & The Beast".
Agree so much with all of these
Omg, Anastasia and Dmitry is such a good idea! I'd love to see them tackle their dynamic
For your next Disney couples list please look into Robin Hood and Maid Marian. They're the only Disney animated couple I can think of where they don't meet for the first time in their movie. They explain that they already have an established history of dating each other before the movie even starts and I think that'd be an interesting comparison to other couples who's relationships often moves pretty fast from meeting to falling deep in love, regardless of whether or not they get married by the end.
Like how Robin doesn’t want her to be involved as it would jeopardize her own comfort and well being since he’s labeled an outlaw.
@@JapanFreak2595 Yeah, they spend a fair amount of the movie assuming what the other is feeling when they're not around, but once they can finally talk to each other again, they're very open to expressing themselves.
There's actually quite a few notableish others although they are not the prominent relationships in the film such as Jim Dear and Darling from Lady and the Tramp, Dodger and Rita from Oliver and company, David and Nani from Lilo and Stitch, and if you look at their second movie together with their first because it's an official sequel not a direct to DVD, Bianca and Benard from the Rescuers and the Rescuers down under.
THAT'S WHAT I SAID😂
@@rebeccakaff6803 Even could do Pongo and Perdy's relationship... I mean they brought their humans together so THEY could be together
I've always loved Naveen and Tiana, his character arc towards genuinely caring for this person and choosing to explore avenues that he'd never imagined for himself before just to support her dream that he knows she'd be successful at, ugh, it's amazing. The way she only falls for him after he started treating her with kindness and humanity too!! Disney got that couple so right.
O'Malley and Duchess is peak relationship goals. I love Eva Gabor's voice as Duchess and as Miss Bianca in Rescuers, she had such a beautiful rich voice.
Oooooh, now I want to see their take on Bernard and Miss Bianca!!
@@sabrecrafted7409 *SPOILER!*
You do know that in the books, Bianca friend-zoned Bernard when he proposed to her, don't you? ='[.]'=
Also, unrelated, but isn’t it just so cute to be able to associate Gabor’s voice to such iconic main characters who are both white and fluffy? And zoologically opposites, like mice and cats?! ❤️
Such an unbelievably charming actress
Can we also appreciate the fact that from the word "go" Megara was being manipulated by Hades? It was not her decision to deceive Herc; she didn't have a choice. Even then, she stands up to Hades after getting to know Hercules: "I don't care, I'm not going to help you hurt him". And her character growth is amazing - she goes from resenting men because she was so deeply hurt by one to sacrificing her own life to save Hercules.
Robin Hood and Lady Marian for me, they were friends and seemed to have an equal relationship and communicated. Also he was so openly authentically vulnerable in front of all those soldiers, makes my soul cry every time, even now that I'm an adult.
Oh yes, they are adorable!
When Robin Hood says, “Marian, my darling, I love you more than life itself.” my heart just swooned at that line. Where's my Robin Hood?
Yes!!! Disney's Robin Hood is my all-time favourite male character. He was such a good person (fox?) And his relationship with Marian is beyond romantic
@@rociogallegossanchez Right? I want one of my own, minus him being a fox because I'm not trying to get arrested for that...
yes!!!
If you do a part three, maybe you could include Bernard and Bianca in The Rescuers. They're the first Disney couple who actually work together as a team. They're the kind of opposites attract where they balance each other.
Omg yes! They kind of remind me of Duchess and O'Malley (and I believe the voice actress for Bianca did Duchess too). If they ever rate or look into the Rescuers as a couple, I feel they'd be first place too.
@@B3llaBambin4 The voice actress was Eva Gaborone also stared in Green Acers
I think Pongo & Perdita have Bernard & Bianca beat by a good 15 years. Both are great couples though.
@phoenixfriend
Yeah, and they're a rare example of a Disney female lead actually flirting with and crushing on the _male_ lead first instead of the other way around and him having to chase _her._
It's a nice change of roles!
@@jazzycarlianna I think 101 came out in 1961and Rescuers came out in 1977.
I'd love to see pacha and chicha from the emperor's new groove on the list sometime. Pacha's a great dad, they're such a cute couple and chicha is so helpful when they're trying to make it back to the palace before yzma. also robin hood and maid marian; one of the few relationships that had quite a bit of history and finding ways around the things that separated them
THESE BOTH OF THESE
Pacha and Chicha are literally couple goals.
both is good
AND , Anastasia, anya and demitri
I love that Duchess and O'Malley were number one! They remind me of myself and my husband. We come from different socioeconomic backgrounds. He's more of that down to earth, says what he thinks type and I was raised to be more "proper" and gentle and censored in my speech. We had a lot of issues understanding why one another did certain things the way we did or why our life experiences shaped certain viewpoints that we held. You mentioned that O'Malley didn't really understand Duchess's love for her human and how that life meant so much to her, but he respected that it had importance to her and was sympathetic to that. In our relationship, we've discovered just how important that is. We don't always have the life experiences to understand the point of view that the other one has, but being sympathetic to each other and valuing each others feelings on things we don't understand has worked wonders for our relationship! I love hearing you talk about that because it really is super important!
Yes I’ll always loved them! 😭
Same here. I grew up an only child, not rich but not wanting for anything really, not spoiled but I never went hungry. Huge room, 4 poster bed, all that. My husband shared his room with his 3 brothers, didn't have hardly anything, and used an outhouse. DIRT poor. It really has shaped our lives, which in turn has shaped our marriage.
@@mamaseesa3122
so then um uh you’re middle class? neither crazy rich nor very poor is basically how I’d define middle class
I think the one part you guys really missed on Shang and Mulan was the motive behind Shang trying to send Mulan away after they find out she's a woman. He was supposed to kill her, the penalty for what she did was death. He very well could have been trying to send her away for her own good, and the guilt during the parade is knowing that everyone is alive because of Mulan.
Next line up should include Quasimodo and Esmeralda! A relationship that goes from friendship with one hoping for romance to a really strong friendship and he is willing to do anything for her even though he knows she won’t love him the way he does and he ends up ok with it and it ends up being a healthy platonic relationship and he overcame a lot of self esteem issues
Or a break down of everyone in the movie. They are all interesting especially the villain I forget his name
@@sashabell2390 Frolo I think it was
Next line up might as well also include Lady and the Tramp (and just when you thought things would go great for both of them… well, wait until the scene before the ending and after “He’s a Tramp”, Mowgli & Shanti, Bianca & Bernard (The Rescuers duology), Nani Pelekai & David Kawena and maybe even Chicken Little & Abby Mallard…
I actually heard an interesting view of Quasimodo/Esmeralda and why she wound up going for Phoebus instead. It wasn't because he was deformed.
It was because Quasimodo and Frollo both fell into the opposite ends of a particular view of women (or a woman) called the "Madonna-Whore complex". Quasimodo put her on a pedestal and treated her like an angel, which is not a good place from which to form a relationship. Frollo, of course, saw only her sexuality and lusted after her. The song itself, shared by the two, might as well be titled "Madonna-Whore"... it is titled "Heaven's Light/Hellfire".
But Phoebus (again, this is in the movie, I had already read the book and I know it's quite different) treated her fully like a woman - he was sexually and romantically attracted to her, but also acknowledged her strength and intelligence. From the beginning, when he saw through her disguise, he showed that he wasn't just looking at a pretty face, but regarding the entire person as a person.
That was why he was the right man for her (again, in the Disney movie).
Sounds like my best friend and I
I recently rewatched Aristorcats and I was so surprised with how much I liked it. It was a lot better than I remember and it was refreshing to see a couple who actually got along at the start and were just happy to be in each other's company. Dutchess and O Malley are surprisingly one of the best Disney couples. Hell, ANY cinema couple for that matter! I wish more couples were like them in movies, instead of a lot of the shit we get in romcoms.
TBH I always saw Lady and the Tramp as a dog version of Aristocats, minus the babies and the attempted murder
@@celianunn2070 lol i forgot there was an atempted murder😂
@@celianunn2070 I love Lady and the Tramp, but Aristocats has MUCH better characters and story. Lady and the Tramp is basically just another "naive young lady falls in (literal) puppy love with 'bad boy,' gets her heart broken, teaches him to settle down" plot, whereas in Aristocats both Duchess and O'Malley are experienced adults who enjoy each other as-is and have no issues with who the other is as a "person" (cat). Also Lady and the Tramp's excuse for a "story" is kind of all over the place, whereas Aristocats has an actual _plot._
@@GoddoDoggo "Pampered city girl falls for guy on the wrong side of the tracks' - both
Lady didn't get her heart broken, there was a misunderstanding that quickly she got over
And neither "teach" the guy to settle down, in both the guy CHOOSES to settle down
"Like each other as is, and have no issues with who the other is" both do that
Lady in the Tramp is actually easier to follow as it's been done hundreds of times. Aristocats is the same but with slight twists that make it different.
Let me guess you grew up with Aristrocats as your favorite but didn't watch Lady in the Tramp at all?
I loved how at first O'Malley first meets duchess he was a bit taken aback by the kittens and by becoming their father but quickly accepts them in the same scene. Sort of like he was saying "oh well I guess I'm a dad now 🙂"
The Princess and the Frog will always hold a special place in my heart. The way Naveen looks at Tiana when she talks about her dreams is just amazing. He’s genuinely interested in her dream and wants to help her to get there even if he has been cut off. Although Tiana is blinded by her dream, this helps the plot so much because it leads to him showing even more interest in her dreams. They would both do anything to keep the other happy and I live for that.
12:25 Stop you guys comparing your Disney's crushes with your wives I can't even it's soooo adorable 😭 Raising the bar HIGH in this studio
I know right it is soooooo cute!!!! HAHA I hope one day I have a cute husband who compares me to a disney princess and he has a crush on !!!! Why do they raise the bar though my bar was already high to begin with!!!
My husband does this too ^^ Tangled came out when he first had a crush on me, and I’m a lot like Rapunzel, I’m an artist and optimistic and I like going barefoot (also I’m blonde) and now we’re over a decade later, five years married and he buys art of Rapunzel and Eugene cuz she’s still his favorite Disney Princess and mine too 🥹
@@aylin7409 At least we only get in relationships with good persons hahaha
@@LimegreenSnowstorm Listen adorable I love you guys 😪
@@LimegreenSnowstorm This story paired with your pfp is so cute
It makes me SO happy that Dutchess and O'Malley are number 1. He's such a gentleman, and I named my first cat Dutchess after this movie.
O'Malley is an underrated male lead/romantic lead. He is even cool with her kids who aren't even his (obviously) but he forms relationships with them not to get with her but because it's important to her.
@@jocelynfisher3174 Absolutely! He's a great example of a stepdad.
My cats name is O'Malley because lf the aristocats
So true about it taking *way* more than love. Mom and Dad are kinda opposite sides of the tracks, Mom from a poor background and Dad being solidly upper-middle class. Dad was *thoroughly* smitten with Mom while, from her telling of it, Mom spent most of their courtship trying to *scare Dad off.* One of her attempts was bringing a list of questions from a Catholic pre-marriage course to one of their early dates and running through them like she was conducting a job interview. Dad's reaction? "Finally! Someone GET'S IT!"
They've had a lot of rough patches, from Mom having to teach Dad what leftovers are to Mom almost dying, but they've been married 40 years and counting.
That's pretty cute ♡ hope your family stay healthy and together
😭😭😭😭 This is so cute😍
@@vicram7022 The *relationship* is healthy. Physically, well, turns out we're a bit of a genetic mess.
@@AndreaDiaz-rc3iy Thank you!
When there is understanding, love can last a long time! So sweet of your parents for putting that first. I hope your mom is okay now btw
You two talked over Meg's line: "Sometimes, it's better to be alone. Nobody can hurt you." I've lost count of the amount of times I've watched "Hercules", and that moment always gets to me. The giggles I got from the rest of this episode were a nice mental distraction, because I'm typing this as a big chunk of my state is being torn apart by Hurricane Ian. (9/28/2022)
Right? That part always got me.. as far as Ian, sending prayers to you and your family! We’re in Florida and I don’t even recognize my town anymore
@@gummyheart7660 We're in Citrus County, and we had an extremely close shave. As close as the morning of the day it made landfall, we were sure it was going to make a direct hit. The footage we've seen of the damage is sickening. Which part of Florida are you in? (10/1/2022)
@@daniellemusella1594 I’m glad you are safe!
I’m in North Port…. Totally destroyed here
@@gummyheart7660 Oh, man. Have you gotten electricity back yet? (10/2/2022)
@@gummyheart7660 Same! I was lucky my aunt's house has a generator, but my house literally had its roof peeled off. I might get my water back so we can start washing stuff off tomorrow, but electricity is gonna be a while. The lines to my park like snapped in half.
I'm so glad Duchess & O'Malley got the top spot, The Aristocat's is such an underrated film.
yeah, cause it came out during Disney's bronze age. It's so nostalgic for me, even though the story itself isn't epic or deep.
I haven't seen it but just based off what I've seen. Looks beautiful.
I would have loved to see them talk about Kida and Milo from Atlantis
Yes!
Yes, an underrated couple from an underrated movie!
Kida, short for Kidagakash.
@@breezy3392 thank you for doing what I was going to
What's Atlantis?
Sometimes I forget you both have partners outside of this because you often give me the married for 30 years couple vibes AND THEN I remember that this is how actualy f*cking friendship looks like and apart from the amazing video I am very thankful to have you both on screen showing everyone that men CAN have very wholesome friendship with each other. I hope you get what I mean...
Google a history of male affection on art of manliness
"none of those concessions are "I'm going to sacrifice who I am' as much as 'I'm going to expand who I am and what I could be and what my life could be.'" what an awesome line.
This is late and probably will be lost in the the thousands of comments but I honestly really like Tangled with Rapunzel and Eugene. Especially in their TV show (which is actually really good). They have a real and genuine relationship that I have never seen in any other Disney franchise. They also deal with Rapzunzel’s trauma in a way that many other shows shy away from.
Yes! They are the best 😊
@LizzyDizzyYo yeah it was 👍
YESSS absolutely LOVE the series and movie-such a FAVE!
I looove how they handle Rapunzel's trauma in the show! So tasteful and it's still Rapunzel and Eugene
Exactly what I wrote. They have so many opportunities to go the silly rom com route, like with the proposals or stallion etc instead both consider the position of the other, don'tget overly mad and they talk things through. They are the best role models ever
I think Milo and Kida from Atlantis: The Lost Empire would be a great addition to another Disney Couples episode! Their dynamic and the way their relationship progresses is really interesting; it feels like a cross between Tarzan/Jane (in the sense of Milo teaching Kida how to read her language) and Fix-it Felix/Sergeant Calhoun (in the sense of less physically strong but resourceful guy and strong woman).
Yes! I would love to see them in your next video, they are my favorite Disney couple ❤️
PLEASE. The best relationship in Disney at all (ok caveat, David and Nani). There's no immediate kiss, no romance right off the bat, he's simply there to support and appreciate her and she's there to learn from and teach him. They're friends to start and they trust and respect each other. It's fantastic!
Lol that’s what I was thinking- gotta love the nerdy/ nebbish guy and protective/ strong woman dynamic !!
My husband and I have been together almost 14 years now. We are still learning and growing. I even had a moment, the other day, where I did something INCREDIBLY stupid and I am used to the yelling/screaming from parents and his in-laws making fun of me and calling me stupid. So, when he got up and asked what happened...my natural instinct is to lie to make myself look better. I just sighed and looked at him. Then I said, "I did something so f'ing stupid that I want to lie. I want to make it seem....not as bad....but I don't want to lie to you." Then I told him what happened. All he did....was come up to me and hug me. Then he asked how he could help. Now that's love there. I am so grateful to have moments like that.
I'd love to see them rate some Studio Ghibli relationships. Not all of them are romantic.
I should have read the comments before commenting, this is exactly what I said! I've always loved the relationships in Ghibli because it's not all about the happily ever after
Omgosh, yes!
OMGGG YESSSS!!!
Omg YES! they need to look into mote studio ghibli
YESSSSS
I really appreciate how you guys recognize the fact that with the lower ranked relationships, it starts out that way so it can grow into something better. Otherwise, there wouldn't be much of a plot or advancement in the relationships. I get frustrated when people act like Disney has awful depictions of relationships when it is supposed to be rough around the edges so it has somewhere to go. Some people think Woody is a bad character for trying to get rid of Buzz but without that, there would be no meaningful character growth. Anyway, I just appreciate how you guys acknowledged that.
I remember watching the Tarzan TV show as a kid, and even then I was impressed by how well they did Tarzan and Jane's relationship. They do have a Swiss family Robinson-esque house, so there's that, but the one episode that stands out most in my mind is when this lady from a lost civilization gets introduced. I think they have animal spirit powers or something, but she's clearly more adept at jungle life than Jane is, and she's actively trying to drive a wedge between the couple.
Jane feels like she's not good enough, but when Tarzan catches on to what's happening he very sweetly says something to the effect of "I never thought of you as a burden. I will never look down on you because of what you can't do, and what you can do is pretty cool." This attitude has helped me in my own relationship, but I never made the connection until this video. So yeah, I will always root for Tarzan and Jane.
I saw the TV show too! And no one I know remembers it... I wish it was on Disney+
The people that Tarzan and Jane meet are African Natives. Not supernaturals :P
You might be mixing up the episode with the were-leopards which did have a supernatural element to it with the main villain (Queen La) trying to break them up.
Also Tarzan and Jane's house is the house that Tarzan's Bio Parents built when they were stranded.
That is the most romantic thing I have ever read
@@horse14t Queen La, that was her name. I think it was the episode that introduced her. That was another cool part of the show, including stuff from other pulp adventure fiction of the time like dinosaurs in the hollow earth or lost civilizations. I think Edgar Rice Borroughs himself was a character on the show.
@@hana_flower875 it should still be on UA-cam, just search for it :)
But yeah, I'm kinda mad that I already pay for Disney+ and can't even watch all of my favourite childhood series there. Also, they tend to not update their catalogue in my country when new seasons of current series come out.
Thomas O'Malley was the MAN! Ran across a damsel in distress and her children, takes the time out of his life to not only get them home safe, but also show them a great time and help take their mind off their problems, with zero expectation for anything in return. Then he stepped up even more to help save them again. Duchess is just an angel, sweet and devoted mother. Their love, including the kittens, seems like it develops naturally, with nobody trying to make it happen.
Disney channel also continued Tarzan as a cartoon show. They rebuild his parents’ tree house and live there. They also rebuilt the lab camp for Jane’s dad. I remember a few episodes where they talk about sacrificing for each other in their relationship like that. It’s really nice. They communicate well.
Which is thematically consistent with the film, communication across cultural and even species divides.
I watched the Aristocats for the first time about a year ago and I remember thinking that it was a beautifully made movie. The animation was stellar, the humour was well done and very adorable, and honestly, I thought the romance was one of the most legitemate and believable relationships in Disney's catalogue.
AND THE SONGS ARE SO GOOD
@@merry_christmas Absolutely! Aside from the racial stereotypes, everything was really well done.
@@macdongr yeah i was about to say 💀 still one of my favorites but omg wow was it a shock rewatching
hehe. "Cat"ologue.
It’s always been one of my favorite Disney movies.
You guys discussing the fact that your Disney princess crushes remind you of your wives is the most wholesome thing ever 😭
I know it is not Disney, but please do Anastasia and Dimitri in a future video. It is such a sweet relationship that builds up slowly.
Yeahhh
Actually Disney bought the movie so it technically is now!
They are my all time favorite couple
But their relationship starts in a toxic way as well. Dmitri lies t her all the way to Paris and wants to gain his own benefits from her situation.
@@dianapopova8783 well, as person who know reality of those times in Russia - it is not 'toxic', this is how people want to survive
9:30 I used to think Shang just told Mulan to go home because he was angry at her for deceiving him too. And while I still think he was angry at her, I think he also was trying to protect her. He spared her life in the mountains, and here she comes, dressed in men's clothes, in a PARADE in the CAPITAL CITY. He knows he can't intimidate Chi-Fu into keeping his mouth shut like he did before. Not to mention his other soldiers. I think he believed her, or at least was open to the possibility, and was trying to make her leave before people started asking questions.
I agree. Especially because he showed up right away to help her and the friends out in the Emperor's palace. It was more 'Please, Mulan, are you REALLY not getting how much danger you and all of us will be in if you get caught . . . well, if you're going to go ahead anyway I'd better do all I can to help so we may have a chance of surviving this.'
Coming from a military family, I loved so much of the nuance in Mulan and Shang's relationship and the realism of what it's like to be in the military and what you have to be prepared to sacrifice.
While I see your reasoning and where you are coming from, I disagree. When I watch the parade scene, right after Mulan told Shang that the Huns were alive, he immediately dismissed it. He didn't even take a few seconds to think it over. He just disregarded what she was saying, and if he was truly open to the possibility that there was an ENEMY GROUP IN THE CITY, I think anyone in their right mind would take necessary precautions, especially considering it's his job. And even he was trying to protect her, that isn't doing justice to Mulan, to her character, or her accomplishments. She saved his life, even if he didn't trust her, he should at least take her seriously. I think where their relationship left off is a healthy place, but I wouldn't defend his actions. (Not hating on the movie, the characters, or where their relationship was at the end of the movie, BTW. Love Mulan!☺)
I not agreeing that much. But indeed, seconds before the enemies went out of the dragon costume, he was 'looking around', suspecting and wondering. So, if could be that he was suspecting because he took in consideration Mulan's words, or he was just thinking 'wtf this dragon so close, they are breathing in my neck '
Listen to the way he said it tho. He’s not saying it in a way that seems protective. It sounds like he’s angry with her.
I'd also like to think that if the emperor got word of it, he would have executed Mulan and her family, and punished Shang for not reporting it. A woman in the military is against everything they believed in during those times
Well actually coming from a Black woman I loved "Princess and The Frog." I loved how they went a totally different route rather than two people liking eachother off the bat because one was royalty. I loved how Tiana was an independent, hard working woman because that's who I am, my mother and my grandmother are. Also how much she loved and admired her father, making his dream her dream. She just had to understand that his dream was more than owning a restaurant. I also enjoyed how they showed her that there is more to life than just working hard that if you work too hard you'll miss out on life. I enjoyed Naveens WHOLE transformation from being a spoiled little rich boy to a unselfish husband. Both characters balanced one another out, Tiana the responsible one Naveen the one full of life. They rounded eachother out. So, personally I very much enjoyed this movie it's one of my favorites. Because other than her skin, I seen so much of me. People who only fixed on her being a frog missed the whole reason why she was a frog. But hey, others opinion. Also Soul, soul was just beautiful art wise. There was enough black people and black culture in that movie to look past the main character being a spirit. But hey, again my opinion.
Edit: Lol yeah, I wrote this at the shame part. Didn't see what was said after yet.
I kind of feel bad for saying this and please no offence at all; but I honestly feel like the people who complain about Tiana being a frog for most of the movie just came off as ungreatful, at least in my opinion they did. I mean they basicly went from "FINALLY; Disney's very first _black_ princess!!" to "I hate that she was an _animal_ for a big part of the film, RIP OFF!!"
@@scarysara9364 I mean, I used to think this as well but learned that just because they give us something doesn't mean we need to take it. I just think now how sad it is that they gave it so much hate that it really didn't deserve over something so small. Just like they did Soul, so our two movies with leading Black original characters were just dragged by my community. Yet those same individuals are okay and say "representation" when we are given Ariel. A mermaid who rarely speaks in the movie and has to go off her looks to get a man, because she literally sold her soul to pursue a man she's obsessed with and ends up marrying while disregarding her family in the sea. While just being 16 years old. Lol, so it's really frustrating but it is what it is sadly.
I agree with this statement as a black woman! I loved Princess and the Frog.
I loved tiana as a ‘princess’ she was a very charming character and her relationship with naveen was lovely too!
I’m just disappointed that because the frog princess title has been taken I’ll never get to see the original story I love more then anything come to life…. Tiana is a great character but I don’t think the whole frog thing was the way to go about it
Apparently the movie was based off the Frog Princess By E.D. Baker but that story is about a clumsy swamp loving girl (with a big nose btw refreshing not having a ‘pretty’ princess )on her journey to cultivate her magic as a witch decent in a world of magic not uh voodoo?
Watching this video reminded me of how much I love Princess and the Frog
Glad you gave Tiana and Naveen the respect they deserve! They’re my favorite Disney couple because there was actual substance to why they fell in love. They both had something the other lacked. Tiana was hard working but never made time to have fun. Naveen only had fun and never made time for hard work. But by getting to know and understand one another, they learn that there needs to be a balance, ultimately, growing as both individuals and as a couple.
Mulan and Shang are my favorite because they have a relationship built on mutual respect. He doesn’t do a 180 when he finds out she’s a woman he already has a trust and respect but now that feeling can grow in an unexpected way. It’s the best because there was zero chance of romance when they met which means any emotions and impressions are pure and I uninfluenced by lust and romance. I think he’s allowed to feel a little betrayed by the lie but he comes around quickly and sheds an entire cultural norm and bias in less than ten minutes. He approaches the romance after with respect and no expectations. I don’t know I just think they are the gold standard of the Disney princess line up
OH GOD I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE. Disney relationships video 1 was the first video i watched on Cinema Therapy, and now im here months later , still absolutely addicted. I LOVE THIS
As other comments suggest, I'd like to see you guys cover Treasure Planet and the relationship between Jim and Silver. Also because Alan can tell us so much about the filmmaking aspect and the story behind it (the 3d drama with Disney). In videos like this, he gets kinda overshadowed by Jono's expertise, and his gets pushed back.
As you said in this video, relationships shouldn't always be 50/50, but a healthy one always kinda ends up that way 😉 More Alan filmmaking knowledge!
I second this! Treasure Planet is one of my all time favorite Disney films.
Yess! I so badly want to see this broken down, it is such an emotional arc for both of the characters!
YES one amazing movie with an incredible cast of characters (except the girl-turned-into-stone-object at the end) also the musics are so cool
Treasure Planet is such a good movie that Disney dropped the ball on regarding the advertising and then releasing it the same weekend as harry potter. They set that film up for failure which is so sad because its such a good movie! I'd love for them to talk about it.
Oh yes 100% Treasure Planet. YEESSSSS
These are always fun. Maybe some suggestions for next time:
Nani and David (Lilo and Stitch)
Pacha and Chicha (Emperor's New Groove)
Esmerelda and Phoebus (Hunchback of Notre Dame)
Bernard and Bianca (Rescuers/Rescuers Down Under)
Lady and the Tramp
YES YES YES YES YES YES YEESSSSS
Yaaaas, Chicha is so awesome, so much sass, I adore her! Wendie Malick is fabulous!
These are top tier
Yes!!!!! Would love to see him look at Bernard and Bianca and Phoebus and Esmerelda 😁
Need Milo and Kida (Atlantis) on this list
I love how they only realize Mulan is a woman when her hair is down when she literally has the same length hair as 95% of the other men in the movie.
I thought it was bc they saw her chest binding 💀 and then after that it was bc she dressed feminine
@@chaoxiangalula4086 yea her tities was out and she was acting mad feminine then
@Captain Mercurian true but its still kinda funny that "Ping" had *shorter* hair than a bunch of the men but the exact same beautiful womanly face and feminine voice as Mulan yet everyone is still like 😱 she's a ladyyyy?!?! Only when they see the chest binder. I feel like Li Shang was attracted to Ping, felt conflicted about it and overeacts during the big reveal ngl 😬
@Captain Mercurian 😂
@@babyramses5066It's a slight cheat in the animation choices. Mulan as Ping not only has her hair up etc. but her eyelashes are drawn thinner when she's in disguise, and come back thicker when she's "revealed" to be a woman
I loved the advice at the end. I'm Navajo and was traditionally raised on the Rez most of my life. My husband is white, and his family had its own cultural traditions, ideas, and beliefs. We're about to celebrate 30 years of marriage, but it took a LOT to get us there. Lots of conversations, lots of compromises, lots of opening our minds to embrace what mattered to the other party. In the end, we blended our traditions together into what we call our 'family' traditions. We had mentoring and guidance which helped us navigate the pitfalls, thankfully, but it was real work to come together and maintain our own identities while we created our own blend of our traditions unique to our family but encompassing things that mattered to both of us.
Lots of works, can I just be... not married and live?
@@lastyhopper2792 if that’s what makes you comfortable then yes, but nothing in life that is worth while is easily obtained. Even friendships are a bit of work to maintain and need clear communication.
This is such a beautiful story. It gives me hope for the future of humanity. Thank you for sharing. I hope you and your family continue to thrive and grow. 💙🔥
Congratulations on 30 years of marriage!
I come from parents of a paralleling story (my Mom is white and my Dad is First Nations), but it didn't work out for them. Flash forward 15 years and everyone's much happier now :)
@Lasty Hopper, it's not for everyone. It requires a great deal of maturity to make a marriage work. Most people nowadays do not want to be mature nor do they want to grow and accept responsibility. It results in many broken relationships and marriages.
Aside from romantic relationships, i'd love to see them explore stuff like parent/child relationships in Disney movies.
Yes, this! Perhaps even rank the worst to best Disney parents/parenting styles (Elsa and Anna’s parents are right up on the worst list for me, Mufasa and Sarabi are somewhere on the best list)
I saw a thought provoking argument once for why almost all of Disney's pre-2000s heroines wouldn't have had the struggles they had if the films hadn't written their mothers out of the plot. I'm glad that more recent movies have stronger and more nuanced relationships between the main character and their family members. Moana and Encanto and Coco are great examples of this.
How often do l make jokes about chemistry? Periodically.
Love this!
How often do I want to blow my brain out? Every time I see this joke
“Shirtless Shang covers a multitude of sins. SO MANY” I CAN’T WITH THESE TWO 😂
Considering the time period they were in I actually think Shang is extremely understanding
When you see the Cinema Therapy notification, you know todays gonna be good
Facts
What I love most about Cinema Therapy is, that not only have I gotten a BUNCH of great movie recommendations from Alan, I've also collected a bunch of fantastic quotes from Jono. This channel is a gift that keeps on giving
18:24 fair but we also got Voodoo Queen Mama Odie and what ever Dr. Facilier is since it’s hinted his mother was a voodoo queen herself.
'Girls do not start fights but they can finish them.' Is a fantastic line.
Well, sorry about that, but actually, hem...I disagree with this line's first half ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@798jeremy Why?
@@RosheenQuynh Because girls can start fights just like guys as well, duh...! Please, I have 3 younger sisters so trust me, I know what I'm talking about 😅
@JeanFalconer
Berlioz: "You're not a lady."
Toulouse: "You're nothing, but a sister!" (9/28/2022)
@@798jeremy Well maybe that applies to nowadays, not so much back in the days Aristocats was set in
It’d be interesting to see you review Dreamworks romances as well-then you’d be able to cover Shrek, How To Train Your Dragon, and Prince of Egypt (if you wanted).
Shrek would be a standout choice since all four movies are about balancing their relationship with Shrek's (and initially Fiona's) self-worth.
Meanwhile, Astrid and Hiccup's relationship, while it takes a backseat for the later films, shows a lot of mutual support and communication. It matures as they do as people. There's also a lot of small intimate moments, gestures that aren't overt displays of romance but signs that they're very comfortable with each other physically.
Would also like to see an overview of Po and Tigress' relationship. She starts out looking down on him while he sees her as an idol. Then they become equals and eventually very close friends. I can't remember if they've touched on that progression as a whole in other videos.
@@BonaparteBardithion that was always something I loved about Hiccup and Astrid, is by the 2nd movie, their relationship feels still very loving, but also very lived-in. Small pecks on the cheek and quirks like playing with your partner's hair are much cuter to me than grand smooches and holding hands all the time. It shows the relationship hasn't necessarily settled, but has grown more comfortable in its love.
@@eyes_espresso4803 you should watch the series which fills in the time between the first two movies and does a great job expanding on them going from friends to lovers.
Order
Dragons: Riders of Berk
Dragons: Defenders of Berk
Dragons: Race to the Edge (2 year timejump)
Hiccup and Astrid's relationship is one of the healthiest and most beautiful relationships
I know it’s a bit weird but I’m curious their thoughts on The Bee Movie and Megamind fitting into the list
Please please PLEASE do Lady & the Tramp next time you do a set of these! Class differences, difference in values, and friends in Lady’s life turning her off of Tramp based on outer looks are such good topics to talk about in a budding relationship and it still feels like a classic.
Something to note with Naveen and Tiana. Remember they went to Mama Odie wanting to be human but then she says "Y'all want to be human. But you're blind to what you need."
Mama Odie says while Naveen wants to be rich again, what he needs is self-control. That is the self-discipline and work ethic to achieve things he wants, which is what Tiana brings into his life.
Mama Odie and Tiana's mom points out that while Tiana has dreams and strong work ethic just like her father, he also had love for family and community and knew how to have fun and spread joy, which helped fulfill his life till his death which turns out to be what Naveen awakens in Tiana.
In the end Tiana finds love and joy with Naveen, Naveen gains self-discipline with Tiana so both individual needs are fulfilled and so on getting married, Tiana becomes a princess which allows both to achieve their humanity and their dreams.
I love Hercules's and Meg's relationship. One of my favorite things about them is that they're like, one of the only Disney couples that actually go out on a proper date (and know that it's a date going into it). Lovely video!
I love that the more animalistic the relationship, the better it was ranked
I was going to say the same, didn't Nala and Simba win the last one?
@@caitbarry9617 There seems to be a pattern here... >.>
this actually made me lol. Like I actually laughed out loud well done
@@caitbarry9617 felix and calhoun from wreck it ralph won the last video
😂😂🤣
I always liked how much more balanced and equal the relationship between mulan and shang was compared to other movies at the time. They worked the same job, they had the same fun coworkers, and they had a mutual respect with eachother. Its mostly the story setting these guys up with an awesome friendship and then giving them the chance for romance at the end. Its still my favorite, but for more personal than practical reasons.
One hundred percent agree!
I like how one of the animators, Glen Keane, animated Tarzan swinging through vines. He was inspired by his teenage son, who was doing a lot of extreme sports like skateboarding and snowboarding at the time.
Second,
My favorite relationship in Mulan (as I got older with more rewatches) has to be Mulan with Chin Po, Ling, and Yao. The three of them struggled getting to like and know Mulan at first because they saw her as a screwup, but as she accomplished everything, they loved and respected her.
Even when they found she was a woman, they were the (perhaps) the only ones who went “no!” when they believed that Shang was going to kill her.
And they were the first to be happy with her return and willingly went along with the plan.
That is beautiful.
They saw her as their commander above Shang, and it takes a lot of conviction in a person to be an army soldier with a mustache and full mutton chops to put apples in a bra, put on a hookers outfit and flirt with the enemy because the female your commander rejected said hey, we got this.
Note they full on ditched Shang without a glance as soon as Mulan looked in their direction. She had earned their respect more than he had, abs be dammed.
18:03 As a black man, I appreciate you acknowledging this. It wasn’t asked of you, but you mentioned it anyway. I appreciate you guys.
What I love about Tiana and Naveen the most is how they both improve each other and themselves. And I think it was summed up best when I met the pair at Disney World years ago and Naveen said to me, 'Do you know how it's true love? She's the only one who can make me wash the dishes.'
Meg and Hercules being compared to Delilah and Samson is hilarious and validates my feelings of that couple exactly.
I love these ranking and discussion videos! Would love to see you guys extend/spinoff to a "Therapist Ranks Disney Friendships" video perhaps, to discuss and dissect platonic friendships and examples of healthy and unhealthy ones. Some ideas for that: Lilo and Stitch from Lilo & Stitch, Nick and Judy from Zootopia, Joy and Sadness from Inside Out, Remy and Linguini from Ratatouille, Marlin and Dory from Finding Nemo..
Don’t forget Vanelope and Ralph from Wreck it Ralph!
Or Timon and Pumbaa!
Yes please!!!
+1. Platonic relationships need love too.
One of my favourite Disney relationships - actually Tarzan’s parents! We literally just see it for a few seconds but like the backstory in Up, they sure do tell a lot in an unbelievably short time.
I'd love to see you cover Treasure Planet, particularly its depictions of found father figures and parental abandonment. The film was absolutely killed by Disney in the move to 3D but Long John Silver and Jim Hawkins are absolutely amazing.
I would love it
I personally think Treasure Planet is very underrated. The bond between Jim and John Silver is so good and I still tear up at the montage everytime.
Third this, please...
And heck just Capt. Amelia and Dr. Doppler… they only get like 10 minutes of shared screen time in the entire movie and that is all we need to know they are going to make it long term. They were Carl and Elle before Carl and Elle
Yes please I love that movie 😭😍
My god I love this channel. You guys do such a good job of calling out actions that are red flags in relationships, but also of recognizing that it isn’t a black-and-white thing and that all relationships are different. I also really appreciate that you’re willing to talk about things like heteronormativity, racism, etc. instead of dodging around the topic or pretending it isn’t there, which is something that happens a lot in cinema analysis of various kinds. I feel like my knowledge of healthy relationships has improved massively since I started watching these, and I’m a lot more secure in what certain red flags look like and which problems can be solved. Thank you both. ❤
You're so welcome! And thank you for your kind words!
Haven't seen The Aristocats in a long time, I was not expecting the waterworks to come on with their conversation on the roof. Definitely the best couple of this bunch - really, the best family of this bunch, since the kittens and even Madame come out better for having the good ol' alley cat in their lives
If you two had ever seen the Tarzan and Jane TV cartoon series, you would know that they renovate the treehouse his parents built and she has a pretty darn good life in the jungle, to the point that when some of her school friends make their way to see her, they go from looking down on her life choices to envying her her freedom, her adventures, and her hunky hubbie. :)
@BJRosen I remember that. It was my favorite episode. Jane's old schoomates were hilarious. (9/28/2022)
My argument for Shang is that you can see that he understands why she did. It's why he spared her life.
26:02 Fun fact, intertwining tails is actually a common gesture of affection between cats!