The Trains of Sonic the Hedgehog

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  • Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
  • Trains and Sonic the Hedgehog in one video? While many may focus on the obscure Sonic games, cut content, or character personalities, I've been one to notice the trains featured throughout the games. As an avid Sonic fan myself, along with being a railfan, I've sought to take a look at all (assuming I didn't miss any major ones!) of the trains seen throughout the games thus far! So lets take at look a look at the trains of Sonic the Hedgehog!
    Music Used:
    Sonic 3D Blast OST (Sega Saturn) - Green Grove Zone Act 2
    Sonic Adventure OST - The Dreamy Stage (Casinopolis)
    Sonic Adventure 2 OST - That's the Way I Like It (Metal Harbor)
    Sonic Riders Zero Gravity OST - Blast Town [80's Boulevard and 90's Boulevard]
    Sonic 06 OST - Wave Ocean (The Water's Edge)
    Sonic Generations OST - City Escape Modern (Instrumental)
    Sonic Mania OST - Hydrocity Zone Act 2
    Sonic Unleashed OST - Apotos (Night)
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 404

  • @cloud564
    @cloud564 2 роки тому +152

    Anybody else find it ironic that the only two trains owned by Eggman, who prides himself in being a technological genius and you'd assume would prefer modern inventions, are also the only two steam engines in the entire Sonic Franchise?

    • @WesternOhioInterurbanHistory
      @WesternOhioInterurbanHistory Рік тому +6

      S1 looks pretty epic though

    • @TheGs4_4449
      @TheGs4_4449 Рік тому +10

      Don’t you diss our precious steam locos. Us railfans need to do a lot of work and campaigning and money spending for them to still exist.

    • @90AMason
      @90AMason Рік тому +10

      They could be using nuclear fission or fusion to boil water instead of combustion?

    • @Breakvan.
      @Breakvan. Рік тому +3

      in my opinion, steam engines are more complex if you were to make them

    • @farawaygaming_
      @farawaygaming_ Рік тому +2

      Eggman has a new train

  • @Chick_Hicks33
    @Chick_Hicks33 4 роки тому +165

    “The Trains of the Crew 2”. One train in the game resembles a GE Genesis locomotive with Amtrak superliner style cars

    • @74836
      @74836 4 роки тому +5

      Thicc Hicks G E N I S I S

    • @tuberoyful
      @tuberoyful 4 роки тому +2

      TS2020 has the Amtrak superliners looking real good.

    • @Randomperc
      @Randomperc 4 роки тому +5

      The trains of Forza

    • @razzyjr12345
      @razzyjr12345 4 роки тому +1

      OMG YES I HAVE THAT GAME

    • @jordaneriksson5417
      @jordaneriksson5417 2 роки тому +1

      The trains of Super Mario or kirby

  • @ssingfo
    @ssingfo 4 роки тому +67

    At 6:18 This train is definetly based upon trains from the RhB (Rhätische Bahn) in switzerland. The paintscheme fits theres, a logo at the front, the indented doors and you can see that it is a motorcar pulling coaches. lightly different colors and non indented doors on the next car coming up, a practice common on the RhB. So it seems to be a mix of RhB 501 and the KiHa 150. The coach itself looks quite like an RhB Type IV car.

    • @nottelling8129
      @nottelling8129 4 роки тому +7

      Thanks for pointing that out. I would have said it

    • @purpv
      @purpv 4 роки тому +5

      Ich het fast sGliiche gseit

  • @PennCentral5700
    @PennCentral5700 4 роки тому +82

    I’m still waiting for, “trains in Trainz Simulator.”

    • @randomcontentgenerator2331
      @randomcontentgenerator2331 4 роки тому +2

      lmaoooo

    • @Moltar_Railfan
      @Moltar_Railfan 4 роки тому +2

      Called it

    • @edwardlovesbigmacs1693
      @edwardlovesbigmacs1693 4 роки тому +5

      There too obvious because there class name is in there selection bar so he won't do it

    • @goldenarrowproduction8437
      @goldenarrowproduction8437 4 роки тому +1

      Too much trains

    • @tuberoyful
      @tuberoyful 4 роки тому +1

      The weirdest of all train simulators the there is one worst even than that I just can't remember the name of it at the moment.
      The best are
      Train Simulator 2020
      TSW 2020
      World of Subways 4
      World of Subways 1
      openBVE

  • @nighthawk9097
    @nighthawk9097 4 роки тому +70

    Any chance we can get a video on the trains of the “Grand Theft Auto” franchise?

  • @crvcrfing
    @crvcrfing 4 роки тому +30

    That red railcar in sonic 06 resembles more one of the RHB trains, except the lack of pantograph
    RHB ABe 4/4 III to be exact. Oh! And has second pair of doors.

  • @fishxy2123
    @fishxy2123 4 роки тому +30

    As a mega sonic fan, and a huge train enthusiast. This vid was just awesome!!!

  • @nathancorcoran5347
    @nathancorcoran5347 4 роки тому +22

    I remember riding the San Francisco Cable Car Trolleys as a kid. Great video of trains in the Sonic The Hedgehog games.

  • @felixpgames9639
    @felixpgames9639 4 роки тому +65

    Dear Amtrakguy365.
    The Shanghai maglev and the German Transrapid are the same trains. The ones in Shanghai were built by siemens/Thyssen Krupp and are the only German transrapids that actually went into commercial service. The image that you showed for the German Transrapid seems to be the Transrapid 09 which was the last Transrapid ever tested before the Emsland test facility closed down in 2011. This is just for you info.
    Have a great day!

  • @Socimi
    @Socimi 4 роки тому +8

    Just a quick note:
    The first train's might also be partially based on the 6000 Series of Nankai Railway (a Japanese major private serving southern Osaka), the livery is practically identical, and the train in the sonic game has definitely a stainless steel bodyshell.
    Also, the red train at 6:20 is based on the Swiss RhB ABe4/4 (used on the St.Moritz to Tirano section of the Bernina Express line), rather than JR Hokkaido's KiHa 150.

  • @Cupertinorail
    @Cupertinorail 4 роки тому +22

    Actually that red tram engine looks like a San Mortiz railway locomotive

  • @AJRailfan
    @AJRailfan 4 роки тому +31

    You should do “trains of Mario” next

    • @jaxixteen
      @jaxixteen 4 роки тому +2

      The trains in mega man

    • @lightt7213
      @lightt7213 4 роки тому +1

      Trains of mario: freaking submarine roller coaster train from mario kart ate
      (The grammar is bad just for the joke.)

    • @kensukefan47
      @kensukefan47 4 роки тому +1

      They have trains?

    • @TheWinnipegRailfan
      @TheWinnipegRailfan 4 роки тому

      Mario Isn't real

    • @lightt7213
      @lightt7213 4 роки тому +1

      In the sonic universe, he is real, they freaking met.

  • @AJtheRatty
    @AJtheRatty 4 роки тому +11

    My two favorite things. Trains, and the Sonic franchise

  • @Burlington_Route
    @Burlington_Route 4 роки тому +19

    This is suprsing, I didn't realise how many there were

  • @griffinrails
    @griffinrails 4 роки тому +17

    I think that the first one is more similar to the Reading Blue Liners, or some of the old interburbans.
    Also, the maglevs are TR08s, and they use Electromagnets, basically just connecting and disconnecting a million times a second.

  • @ultimatelugia2915
    @ultimatelugia2915 4 роки тому +4

    One thing you forgot about was the armored trains from rail canyon zone in Sonic Heroes. However, those looked very ambiguous and don't seem to resemble any real designs, and Sonic Heroes also tends to be overlooked/ignored by lots of people because it wasn't notable or one of the best sonic games out there.

  • @salahmed1890
    @salahmed1890 4 роки тому +3

    In my opinion, much of the music in Sonic The Hedgehog franchinse (especially the instrumental music) is so fitting for trains. It really does go well with railroading in my honest opinion. I have felt that way since I became a Sonic fan once again in the end of 2012. This summer I took a long Amtrak journey and I was listening to a bunch of Sonic music form all types of games and even fan-made games. Most of the music from Sonic Mania really sounds good with railroading. Even some remixes sound good; namely the Sonic Tornado Defense Act 2 by Hadron Music.

  • @Sovic91
    @Sovic91 Рік тому +3

    I never knew I needed a video exploring the trains of Sonic the Hedgehog, but here we are. Excellent video. That being said, you forgot the Sunset Park train from Sonic Triple Trouble.

  • @SebastianD334
    @SebastianD334 4 роки тому +4

    The train at 6:20 is clearly based on the Swiss RhB ABe 4/4 III. It's paint scheme, buffer (yes singular) and lights are the same. But it's windows are often too tall, it isn't electric and it has one extra section.

  • @goldenarrowproduction8437
    @goldenarrowproduction8437 4 роки тому +5

    6:20 that looks like bernina railway abe4/4 3 electric railcar built in 1988 to 1990 by ASEA
    but cars irl have single folding doors on sides instead of 2 sliding doors and and still can be seen even to this day

  • @aaregortsch
    @aaregortsch 4 роки тому +6

    The train at 6:28 is NOT a KIHA 150. It is a nearly identical build to the ABe 4/4 from The Bernina Railway in Switzerland.

    • @RedCerberus010
      @RedCerberus010 4 місяці тому

      Still the Soleana DMU carriage looks more like KIHA 150
      Out of ABe 4/4 simularities are just emblem and red color

    • @sebastianaguinaldo2243
      @sebastianaguinaldo2243 2 місяці тому

      It should be a made for game train or a made for game Metro

    • @sebastianaguinaldo2243
      @sebastianaguinaldo2243 2 місяці тому

      No it is not it is based off a f****** Los Angeles Metro train

  • @jordanianstudios
    @jordanianstudios 4 роки тому +3

    A crossover I didn't know I needed until today. Thanks.

  • @jamaalmuldrow6658
    @jamaalmuldrow6658 4 роки тому +2

    You're a Sonic fan and a railfan, which is the same with me. You earned one like from me. 😁👍

  • @JRBlood
    @JRBlood 4 роки тому +12

    No mention of the NS "Sonic Bonnet". Surprising.

  • @yaraihan
    @yaraihan 4 роки тому +6

    That Sonic Japanese Diesel Train Design Was Like The First Indonesian Pure Diesel Rail Car Called "Kuda Putih" Or White Horse

  • @phalanxHH
    @phalanxHH 3 роки тому +2

    I hope you make more of these The Trains of videos they are really interesting.

  • @tuberoyful
    @tuberoyful 4 роки тому +1

    Wow this was very interesting because I'm an avid Rail and Sonic Fan as well and this hits ALL the nails in🤣😂

  • @rainbowthehedgehog1
    @rainbowthehedgehog1 3 роки тому +3

    The only train from the Sonics series that I can think of that you missed is a little known one from the game Sonic Shuffle, one of the boards is called "Riot Train" where the entire game board takes place on the top of a steam locomotive and passenger train.

  • @celbuod
    @celbuod Рік тому +1

    An in-depth analysis of trains in the Sonic series is something I didn't know I needed! Great video! 😊

  • @jessimiller1242
    @jessimiller1242 Рік тому +1

    There's one train that I recall him not mentioning it was the train from sonic heros. The stage was called rail canyon

  • @jamcamrailfanning
    @jamcamrailfanning 4 роки тому +7

    Lol the chimes maglev was build by the German company

  • @RRM_Personal
    @RRM_Personal 3 роки тому +2

    I love this series! I definitely need more videogame train explanations in my life!

  • @GUNUFofficial
    @GUNUFofficial Рік тому +1

    Hell yeah a video of the trains in sonic the hedgehog, i could have lived my life not seeing this but I did.

  • @Ragonnet
    @Ragonnet 4 роки тому +2

    Excellent research! I've been a fan of trains for awhile and everything you said was spot on

  • @adventuresofamtrakcascades301
    @adventuresofamtrakcascades301 3 роки тому +1

    1:46 additionally the paint scheme on the train looks similar to the Amtrak phase 4

  • @dirtycamerarailfan3302
    @dirtycamerarailfan3302 4 роки тому +1

    Someone may have said it but the paint scheme for the JNR KIHA 07 used in Sonic looks to be based on Amtrak’s Phase IV (4) scheme first used in 1993.

  • @the101stdalmatian8
    @the101stdalmatian8 4 роки тому +2

    Trains from Red Dead Redemption. Let's get back into the early days of steam and, in the case of RDRII, with some of the better renditions of 19th century railroading put to gaming.

  • @sabertooth3studioshq838
    @sabertooth3studioshq838 2 роки тому +1

    Speaking of which in sonic forces a freight train can be seen in the level where your avatar gose to help the resistance to get in a space ship to rescue Sonic from the death egg.

  • @kaedenthecsxamtrakandthoma8318

    5:22 the paint style of the orange locomotive looks like bnsf

  • @samsmith7708
    @samsmith7708 4 роки тому

    The best channel for information for video game trains.

  • @Angel-DJ-Gaming
    @Angel-DJ-Gaming Рік тому +1

    "Trains are co- *drowns*"
    -Miles "Tails" Prower

  • @beckyjohnson6798
    @beckyjohnson6798 3 роки тому +1

    6:50 Amtrak Guy 365 "but it does take some inspiration from the Pennsylvania Railroad's S1" Me and the New York Central's Streamlined J3a for the 20th Centary Limited Smoke Box.

  • @Alerrecks
    @Alerrecks 4 роки тому +3

    great work as always!

  • @callumsparrow4379
    @callumsparrow4379 Рік тому +2

    Neat video and series, but you’ve overlooked a fair number of Sonic locomotives and railroads (at least those that seem to have some real-world inspiration):
    Sunset Park Zone’s boss, The Marve-Shupopolous-Gou, from Sonic Triple Trouble
    Riot Train from Sonic Shuffle
    Bullet Station from Sonic Heroes
    Metropolis Speedway from Sonic Free Riders

  • @Straswa
    @Straswa Рік тому +1

    Great work AmtrakGuy, enjoying this playlist.

  • @TheEldritchHyena
    @TheEldritchHyena 4 роки тому +3

    If they were to ever feature trains in Sonic again, the Mallard NEEDS to make a cameo. The fastest thing alive meets the fastest steam train alive!

    • @jacobjcb8883
      @jacobjcb8883 3 роки тому

      I agree
      Imagine if it was silver like Spencer

    • @atshinkansen7439
      @atshinkansen7439 2 роки тому +1

      I would add the Nankai 50000 Series. If Sonic collided with a Dreyfuss Hudson, this train would be the result!

  • @onetrackmind3558
    @onetrackmind3558 4 роки тому +1

    I'm a Sonic fan and a Railfan too.

  • @TycoonTitian01
    @TycoonTitian01 4 роки тому +3

    The last time I was on time, this video was not out

  • @unaizilla
    @unaizilla 3 роки тому +3

    the train from 6:19 seems to be based in the ABe 4/4 from the Rhaetian Railways from Switzerland

  • @AJRailfan
    @AJRailfan 4 роки тому +2

    It must have taken a long time to not only find the trains in game, but then research their real life counterparts! Also, the SD40-2W locomotive in that game slightly resembles a GP60M just because of its BNSF paint.

  • @hamtrak_p42dcamtrak67
    @hamtrak_p42dcamtrak67 4 роки тому +2

    You have gone off the rails crazy

  • @Insect_Expert1489
    @Insect_Expert1489 2 роки тому +1

    In Sonic X there is the 500新幹線 in a episode taken place in Japan and during a episode when tails Amy and Chris had taken a train. The train is a two car and the trip to the picnic reminds me and location of the Swiss alps

  • @TKSP4449
    @TKSP4449 4 роки тому +4

    What about the Trains of Super Mario? They've had quite a few trains in the Mario games over the years.

  • @PauloClassicStyle
    @PauloClassicStyle Рік тому +1

    Ah yes youtube algorithm a video about trains of Sonic games is exactly what my ADHD needed at 1am.

  • @rgmrails
    @rgmrails 4 роки тому +1

    Now we need
    Trains of Subway Surfers

  • @WesternOhioInterurbanHistory
    @WesternOhioInterurbanHistory 3 роки тому +3

    4:54 looks more like the Disney Monorail.

  • @Demonskunk
    @Demonskunk 3 роки тому +2

    Would you consider doing a video about the functional difference between locomotive and freight wheels?

  • @Primon4723Studios
    @Primon4723Studios Рік тому +1

    Amy: Sonic, would you like a train ride? The ones not made by Dr. Eggman.

  • @eevyerndracaneon
    @eevyerndracaneon Рік тому

    i know the Sonic Heroes trains are EXTREMELY fantastical but I'm surprised they weren't mentioned in here!

  • @courage1363
    @courage1363 Рік тому +2

    You need to update this video because the recent Sonic game focuses on the Sonic characters in a train.

  • @MidKitz
    @MidKitz 4 роки тому +5

    *insert Sonic and Mario gif here*

  • @rasputinlenin6699
    @rasputinlenin6699 4 роки тому

    I do have a favorite Electric unit here is SFC that I can see from time to time. And without going to Blackpool to see haha. The ever so cute Boat Tram. The cutest little tram with an adorable toot horn instead of a bland bell. Such a little cutie it is.

  • @MrBnsftrain
    @MrBnsftrain 4 роки тому +1

    6:14 I see a resemblance to the EMD G16 export locomotive.
    6:20 I believe this train is more based on the Swiss Furka-Oberalp number 41.
    You should do a "trains of Super Mario" and "Trains of Wii Party"

  • @leontransit1652
    @leontransit1652 3 роки тому +1

    The railcars in the director’s cut closely resemble Nankai 6000 series trains

  • @suwazo1545
    @suwazo1545 Рік тому +1

    Gonna need that update for Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog

  • @edcola6671
    @edcola6671 3 роки тому +1

    “Peep! Peep!” “Hullo!” said Thomas.
    The blue hedgehog didn’t answer. He simply went fast. A bit too fast.

  • @Gideon_the_Video_game_railfan
    @Gideon_the_Video_game_railfan Рік тому +1

    The horn in sonic riders was used by Canadian national 6520 4:38

  • @harrisonofcolorado8886
    @harrisonofcolorado8886 4 роки тому +2

    *I was not expecting that. But I was expecting to not expect something so that doesn't count*

  • @WesternOhioInterurbanHistory

    A CSX locomotive in the YN2 paint scheme appears in the second movie, but it is destoryed instantly.

  • @dava_arvarabi
    @dava_arvarabi Рік тому +1

    Always thought that the 2-car set railcar in SA1 was more of Eastern European design, but turns out it's Japanese (KiHa 07)

  • @Antonio-is2cn
    @Antonio-is2cn Рік тому

    Radical Train from Sonic Next Gen (2006) is actually a really cool and fun level!

  • @anindrapratama
    @anindrapratama 4 роки тому +1

    0:47 the livery of the train resembles the livery used by Nankai Railway, a Private railway in the Kansai area

  • @katelynthewhitewerewolf6376
    @katelynthewhitewerewolf6376 Рік тому +2

    My favorite train is the train from Sonic 06 we need more trains in The Sonic Series and we need Shadow Sonic Silver Tails Amy Knuckles Cream Cheese and the others going on a train together and we need more trains in Videogames like Sonic Spyro Reignited Trilogy Spyro Series Rayman and others.

  • @Benbo_Gamer
    @Benbo_Gamer Рік тому +1

    That pumpkin hill train is a Thomas reference
    Change my mind

  • @jsea1967
    @jsea1967 4 роки тому +6

    sorry but. You forgot the sonic riders zero gravity '80s boulevard subway train

  • @Ellectrica
    @Ellectrica 4 роки тому +1

    Didn’t expect this one

  • @MustachioFurioso9134
    @MustachioFurioso9134 4 роки тому

    This might be the greatest crossover ever

  • @SONICX1027
    @SONICX1027 3 роки тому +3

    I hope this series will continue, since there’s a lot of games with Trains, Call of Duty, The GTA series, maybe Mario, Uncharted. I’m sure there’s plenty more

  • @nenebonsato1039
    @nenebonsato1039 2 роки тому

    Sonic mania game has a resemblance of a train called a 4-4-0 jupiter i god love that engine so much

  • @IndieLambda
    @IndieLambda 2 роки тому

    I do not know how it works in America, I'm not an expert but my mother worked at the SNCF, we are French, and sometimes she'd tell me some train trivia when I was a kid, that was nice, in France, at least at the time, in the early 2000's, more rural parts did not have overhead lines, so a lot of the French trains where made to have both a diesel, and electric engine, since all train infrastructure in France was completly standardized, virtually any train can go virtually anywere (with limitations like bullet trains only being able to safelly go fast on train highways because the older places are less smooth and more bendy, risking the speeding bullet trains to fling themselves off their tracks, none bullet trains not being allowed to go on train highways because if they did, they would not be able to go fast and would slow down the bullet trains and the bullet trains not being able to go everywhere because they are strictly electric, and some places do not have overhead lines, if they could use batteries, they'd actually be fine there, this is why I say virtually, I might be wrong about a few things but this is what I understood), the Sonic adventure train might be in the same situation, is has a diesel engine to be able to serve all stations of the system, and have pantographes so when it's on lines that actually have overhead lines it switches to electric power, like a French rural train, and Sonic Adventure let's you go to the coastal city or the jungle, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of tourist in the coastal city so it's probably not actually that big of a city.

  • @LTBLACKCOAT
    @LTBLACKCOAT 4 роки тому +1

    Riveting, please do continue this excellent series.

  • @pakboimsal8498
    @pakboimsal8498 4 роки тому

    I did not expect this this very shocking

  • @williampulfer-melville8536
    @williampulfer-melville8536 4 роки тому +5

    I remember the episode of the adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog called the robotnik express where Robotnik has his 2 Henchman Scratch and Grounder drive a freight train that Robotnik invented called the Robotnik express to transport bombs to his secret missile facility and the Locomotive of the train slightly resembles that of an early Baldwin 4-4-0 steam locomotive though Robotnik being a vain creature in that show had the tender decorated to look like his torso

  • @maxhemenway
    @maxhemenway Рік тому

    These drinks should be added to Gmod as props

  • @polandsocks
    @polandsocks Місяць тому +1

    German Transrapid maglev looks like the Lego train from 2010

  • @Logan-tinyplanetss
    @Logan-tinyplanetss Рік тому

    i love sonic and i love learning. thanks for this! :-)

  • @centralstation343
    @centralstation343 2 роки тому

    1: This is perfect seeing I never really care about the lore of Sonic but more about the Locomotives. 2: Though these engines don’t really have bases for their designs, I would love it if you took a look at the Robotnik Express in The Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog and.. The Robotnik Express in Sonic Mania.

  • @CentralJerseyRailfan
    @CentralJerseyRailfan 4 роки тому

    That SD40-2W looking thing has quite the QNSL style livery ngl. The one following it has some swiss design imo

  • @tonytan8721
    @tonytan8721 4 роки тому +1

    I think the first train suppose to be from Nankai, a private operator in Osaka regions, Japan, as its blue and orange stripes livery on the stainless body. Kiha = diesel train, it's not a diesel powered as you can see its panto.

  • @train_dude_youtube9
    @train_dude_youtube9 Рік тому

    6:52 a better comparison would be the J3As used by the the NYC Railway, also known it’s the 20th century limited

  • @aperson...7158
    @aperson...7158 4 роки тому

    Finally UA-cam recommendations are working

  • @whitelionstudios1786
    @whitelionstudios1786 3 роки тому

    trains of Star Wars next, theres a lot of good stuff in that realm

  • @KCSRailstudios
    @KCSRailstudios 4 роки тому

    Oml if you do trains in Pokémon that would be absolutely amazing

  • @tritanicwolf518
    @tritanicwolf518 3 роки тому +1

    He should make a trains of The Long Dark!

  • @meemosteeno5121
    @meemosteeno5121 4 роки тому

    God that cable car in city escape still haunts my copy
    I cant get rid of it
    Anytime I destroy it the blasted thing obstructs my view
    I tried verifying my files but it doesnt stop
    Truly any game is personallized

  • @VestedUTuber
    @VestedUTuber Рік тому

    One other interesting thing about the Soleana Express is that its livery is similar to that used by the RhB.

  • @felixsauer328
    @felixsauer328 3 роки тому

    The red engine is from the glacier express. This Engine work in the mountains of schweiz

  • @DOTD7382
    @DOTD7382 4 роки тому

    Amtrakguy uploaded!! Everyone drop everything and run to your Chromebook! Love your vids btw

  • @NightmareSkellington1993
    @NightmareSkellington1993 3 роки тому

    I Love Sonic AND Trains

  • @XKoop7321TempAcc
    @XKoop7321TempAcc Рік тому

    The one you said was like a BNSF is actually more of a Rio Grande color group.