Was Dennis Martin Kidnapped? | Missing 411
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- Опубліковано 22 лип 2024
- On June 14th, 1969, Doug Martin convinced his younger brother, Dennis Martin, to play a trick on their dad. The boys would hide behind a bush to surprise the adults. Dennis, however, never came out. Perhaps the best known Missing 411 case, Dennis's disappearance captured the attention of the nation when it was first broken to the media. What followed was a search effort so large and convoluted that it would inspire multiple generations of conspiracy theorists. Welcome back to The Lore Lodge...
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0:00 - Intro
0:15 - Background and Disappearance
4:09 - Aidan's Boy Scout Camp Tangent
5:33 - The Search for Dennis
11:27 - Military Involvement
16:47 - Aftermath and Conclusions - Розваги
I don't know if anyone has mentioned it but the reason we don't take plaster casts of footprints anymore is because we found out the plaster would expand and make people think the foot was larger then it really was. So that could have been his footprint.
Just use a non expanding plaster?
@@treydelaspades3543 in soft ground it would still expand due to the weight
This guy is one of my newest bestest.. documentary artist currently on the tube!!! Great work ..keep it up my friend!...
Good point!
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Imagine being the kid who was traumatized by the snake, watching this video suddenly hearing his shout out
It was a cute story actually, me being a snake lover I know that snake probably found something warm to sleep on and the kid didn't find it very cuddly Lol
I'll fully admit the thought of a bear running on it's heind legs absolutely terrifies me. Like the shock of a 7 foot tall animal whole ass lineback running at you is scary
Ridiculous. It was Bigfoot.
Honestly, it would be scary af
My mom got chased by a bear when she was a toddler, she doesn't remember it but her brother (my uncle) does
not as scary if youre 7 feet tall😂 you might not believe me this but im 6'11"
this was the first 411 case I heard about. After that I binged on them.regards to the bear running on 2 legs, that immediately made me think of a man in a ghillie suit, something the green berets would be very familiar with
Or Bigfoot 😂
@@AntigonusTheGreat or wendigo
@@dizzysixx you mean Wendigoon.
had the same thought :) maybe they were hunting their own
Yeah, Dennis Martin was my first 411 story too.
Dude, I think the nature center at your camp lied. It was probably a copperhead, and they didn't want to cause a panic.
"Oh yeah that snake! That's the not-copperhead... You boys should be fine..."
Turns out well over 90% of the calls the wildlife center gets about copperheads are just garden snakes, corn snakes, etc
Just wanted to say there are several snakes in the Smokies that look like copperheads but aren't. The only way in the South to know for sure and you learn this as a small child, if the head is round you are ok. If the head is a triangle it is a Viper and slowly back away. We don't have weird snakes like Australia where everything tries killing you......Second thought what's up with everything trying to kill you in Australia 😂
@@phoradio1277 bro america has more dangerous wildlife than Australia
And what evidence do you have that makes you think the nature center lied? While yes there are copperheads around it's not like they make their presence known all that often I'm 33 years old and have more or less lived in the woods my whole life and do you want to know how many copperheads I have seen, two that's right two copperheads my whole life, a copperhead is very distinct while if you have never actually seen a copperhead there are other snakes that could trick you and make you think that it is a copperhead
There are snakes that look similar to copperheads, especiallyif you're panicking- I came across a corn snake in my house that I swore was a copperhead.
Love the subtle wendogoon shout out at the beginning I’m so glad you two are collaborating s but on this stuff
My grandfather was part of the Green Beret's around this time. I'm really tempted to ask him of he knows anything. He wouldn't be allowed to tell me, om sure, but now I'm incredibly curious.
Did you ever ask him? I'm sure he would tell you.
Please update us if you ever find anything out
@@animalhalo5984 If his grandfather tells him that's one thing, but it would be illegal or even dangerous for him to say what was said here, if his grandfather is still bound by an NDA.
Screw em: neither a missing kid nor bigfoot are matters of national security within the ambit of that NDA. Use your head and srop kowtowing to arbitrary authority when you don't need to.
@@Transilvanian90Stop thinking like a Chinaman under the CCP.
I love this style of video. I am not a fan of livestreams or anything like that, so I always love watching these videos! Binged every Missing 411 video you have so far, can't wait for more! Also, love the intros!
Ginsang is legal to harvest in Tennessee, unless you do not have permission by the landowner to be on their land, but there are specific seasons for harvesting the roots. This is to prevent ginsang from becoming extinct. You have to let it come to seed and replant the seeds for the root you take. (I looked it up. My dad hunts "sang" in Pennsylvania and you can only harvest here during certain months.)
Your post is interesting. What I don't understand is why the man said he did not come forward because of hunting the "sang". All he had to say is that he (like so many other people in the area or out in nature), was just out on a hike. His story does not ring true and he may be a person who wanted credit or attention and didn't have real information.
@@kathyscott9219 Or didn't want to get in trouble for harvesting out of the right time of year? People are weird.
@@girlgamergear3260 I get what you are saying. Yet, he didn't have to state that he was harvesting or looking for ginseng. He could have easily said he was hiking and then had the bones be found. Even if he was afraid of his actions, the authorities probably would not have cared if it led to the remains of a missing person. I don't believe him or his excuse.
@@girlgamergear3260 Also, people are weird for wanting to interject themselves into a popular or important case. It has happened so many times and it is strange and hard to comprehend.
The reason he knew he would be prosecuted is because he was hunting it on the national park land which you are not allowed to hunt for anything on state or national Park land, also you can harvest ginseng anytime throughout the year but you can only sell or buy it from September 1st to December 1st
I'm very interested in these missing cases specifically involving people who went missing in a short period of time around the presence of others who knew them. The elements of swiftness and familiarity make those cases seem very similar to how easy it is to 'lose' something the moment you drop it on the floor. Most of the time, we find it again but we retain a huge fear and impulse reaction to catch things before they hit the ground because it's like we instinctually know that once it hits the ground there's a good chance we will never see it again.. and that chance seems irrationally big
As a Veteran, The SF detachment intrigues me. It was a different era for sure, but it’s very very obscure. Special forces soldiers are just regular men, they have family’s and are fathers. Hearing a father was missing his son, and then having the skills and resources to search, they may have just decided to assist in the search and use it as an excuse for training. But that being said, it’s a very very strange call for their command to allow this to go on for so long. I’ve heard the Bob Gimlin version of this story as well and that whole part is what sticks out to me. Some research into this avenue needs to be done. I have a resource for this if any info can be found. If I find anything new I’ll come back here and post. And send an update if there is one to The Lore Lodge.
the Green Berets were said to be newer so it could easily have been a viable chance to train how to locate people. not only for search and rescue but for searching people who would not have wanted to be found. it could also be used to practice group operations and communication across a large area. they might have thought the search wouldn't take long so they just sent whoever was closest. when it continued they decided to send more people to get more training in.
Yes. The were still in training and asked to help.
There are similar stories about El Yunque National Park in Puerto Rico, the place is home to unexplained missing person cases, including the disappearance of a party of four college kids, & stories of folks encountering military personnel ordering folks off of particular trails. In one particularly sad case, two kids that were trailing behind their parents just disappeared-no report of strange noises, no sightings of strange people or weird creatures as possible culprit.
Never heard of them what do you think it is
Have been watching your older content, it's been awesome to see how much you've changed things, definitely in the right direction, love this style!
It’s been a long road but we try to improve every week!
And changed personally
Went on a cryptid binge a few weeks ago while recovering from a snowboarding injury, found this channel and I've been hooked since. What you guys do is great, keep it up!
Here's a few other details I read earlier -* Dennis was sent to hide further away by the kids because he wore a conspicuous red t shirt which was hard to hide
* A man in a light colored car was seen by a witness below the location at the field, leaving the area.
* More recently a skull was found at a further away remote location, never searched, long buried in layers of leaf litter. by the (illegal) herb hunter who wished to be anonymous.
This might combine with the hypothesis that the man in the car, described as middle aged, abducted him ( say by offering him a ride back to his folks), s-a'd him, (or intended to) and then killed him or dumped him in a place from which he did not know how to return, and/or died of exposure.
Also, David Paulides said Dennis's father said a ranger approached him to tell him some things, such as that an official in charge of investigations at a range of parks told him that searching for the "man or bear" seen by ther visitors at that time would not be done because it was too far away (it was not, suggesting a cover up). (Incidentally perhaps, this official later committed suicide. )
And that there were said to be feral fur wearing humans who lived not far from there and when confronted by him/other rangers had threatened them with a knife.
Also, the other family introduced themselves to Dennis' family with the same last name and it was they who suggested that the kids play hide and seek.
Grew up in the Upstate of SC, my grandfather used to tell me of the Wompus Cat, a large cat like creature that kinda reminds me of a werewolf but a cat. Said that his father told them of the stories back in the 1930's when my grandfather was growing up. Apparently people in NC, SC and GA blamed this creature for a string of livestock attacks and that the kids were not allowed out after dark. The ending of the witnesses seeing something running with something slung over its shoulder brought that story to mind.
I grew up in a small town on the Gulf Coast of Alabama. I grew up hearing stories about the Wompus. As I got older I assumed it was a Mountain Lion or Moutain Lion subspecies i.e the Florida Panther.
My first thought was mountain lion I can not overestimate how well they camouflage and how talented they are at stalking so them not seeing anything happen might makes sense also him being the last person is a lion MO they also go straight for the neck hence no scream lastly they take the prey back to the den making it hard to find him........ only I didn't know they don't have mountain lions could have been a bobcat.
I figure that the reason they take the psychic's tip is because it could be entirely possible that someone knows something or has heard something, and is trying to present truth or theory it in a way that doesn't connect them/implicate them, so they send it in under the guise of being a "vision" or "a dream", and those in charge would know this and take the tip is if it were the truth. Remember that they have to take every possible lead. If it turns out that they didn't, and it turns out the boy really was there, that inaction and responsibility would fall on their shoulders.
So I don't necessarily think they believe the psychic, just that they think she could somehow know something and this is her way of passing on, anonymously or not.
I can get hits sometimes of things it’s a real thing I know you people laugh at me but it is possible
this is exactly what it is and i'm surprised he didn't say so. you have to investigate tips like this when someone calls up and says "his body can be found here" because there's every possibility its someone confessing and disguising that confession as something else. if they hadn't looked into it and it turned out to later be true...
Holy smokes; the FBI files were finally released.
The Missing Enigma has a video out on it.
I just saw that one a few minutes ago, but nothing that changes anything. Nothing earth shaking.
@AdrienneMint Not true. That video showed that the "wildman" theory is bunk. Mr. Key never said he saw that. He said he heard a scream at some point, then a while later a disheveled man came hurrying out of the woods and sped off in a car. Mr. Martin says that Mr. Key saw a wildman, and he's welcome to think what he wants because he's grieving, but the audio of Mr. Key doesn't lie.
@@JoeMac1983 I don’t remember, I watched the video last fall, but I will go back and look again
@@JoeMac1983 there were still things redacted, and the FBI only releases what they want you to see. The FBI report doesn’t reveal a damn thing. You’re really going to trust them?
@@JoeMac1983 source? Because I could have sworn that the news refused to take his report seriously and didn’t mention it in the paper. Mr. Key believed his information was important and had to find Mr. Martin himself to tell him his account.
As a mom, this case absolutely breaks my heart and every time i hear this babys name, i just have this overwhelming need to hug my babies. I can not imagine how hard this was on his father. Especially knowing he was right there and doing everything right and something terrible still happened. I hope that father knows that this wasnt his fault, that he did everything he could have possibly done, and he has found some kind of peace (whatever little bit of peace a parent can get after something like this.) He's forever in my prayers and this baby will never be forgotten. He did everything he could possibly do, and although he didnt get his son back, he will be remembered by so many people because his fathers perseverance in looking for him, and the love he clearly had for his son. With cases like this, there really is no right way to bring any sort of comfort to the families besides keeping them in our prayers.
This is such an interesting case. Thank you very much for covering this. Keep up the great work. Take care!
Seriously underwatched channel, keep up the good work!
What if Wendigoon is responsible for all the missing 411 cases in Tennessee, and he's doing it for the content?
Really enjoying the series, Have to say I agree with you about the weirdness of the sighting of the bear running on two legs. Especially after finding the barefoot next to the shoe print at the creek.
That part is very much hearsay, so I take it less seriously, but in tandem with the rest it’s quite odd
For him to not make any sound, while in such close proximity to his dad, something would have had to snap his neck, but also remain undetected which is what makes this all the more unexplainable because his brother would have been beside him and either not noticed, or he was taken after his brother left cover
There was nothing odd about the Green Berets getting involved. The NPS files confirm they were invited in. They set up comms and worked alongside other search units. The Green Berets simply had no need to chat with the Rangers as there was an established, simplified, and agreed chain of comms the Green Berets would use through a military liaison team within the Air National Guard local air base - who were co-ordinating all military aspects of the search with the National Park Service Rangers.
To quote from the NPS file:
"Ranger Myers also contacted U.S. Forest: Service District Ranger on the Nantahala, who in turn made contact with Col. Kinney, commanding the Special Forces troops in that area. Col. Kinney requested and obtained permission from the Third Army Headquarters at Ft. Benning, Georgia, to transfer 40 Special Forces to the search area."
The Dennis Martin case is one of the most studied in all of SAR history and is used as a case-study in 'what not to do' - so many gaps and flaws were found in the aftermath of the incident that it's used to train SAR people. :/
The reason the searchers reacted to the psychic (one of dozens of such predictions) was that the Martin family were strong believers in the paranormal, and the search teams wished to reassure and indulge them to show all was being done to locate their missing child. The FBI also checked into many of the people who offered predictions...just in case they were really trying to allude to a kidnapping, etc.
Hundreds of searchers were deployed. Most of them badly trained, or not trained at all. They had little co-ordination, and bad weather hampered much of the searching. The storms the night of his disappearance also made rivers and streams really dangerous. The searchers tried to be comprehensive, but the weather and inadequate skills were against a successful outcome from the start. :/ There's a good chance his body was overlooked by searchers, or perhaps he even hid from searchers unfamiliar to him.
But poor Dennis just wasn't prepared for a cold night lost in the forest in a thunderstorm.
"The NPS files confirm they were invited in".....and likely all after the fact these files were reviewed. GB's were all about locate & eliminate.
i love the close up shot. please continue this
There's a lot of odd things in the Appalachians... I'm not saying paranormal but I'm not not saying it either
Wife here..That's exactly what I Always say..!!...I'm from around the Asheville area
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watching ur older videos and everytime i dont hear the epic intro i get suprised so glad the intro is a thing now!
Aye you just recently popped in my recommended and I'm watching a lot of your vids to get a feel for your content. Really enjoy them and nice to hear you name drop the boys Wendigoon and Mr. Ballen. I feel your content fits in nicely with the other stuff I watch and enjoy! Subbed here now :)
Missing Enigma did an interview with Michael Bouchard about this case. I would highly recommend watching that one after this. They go into more depth about the Green Berets presence at the location. They even discuss pictures of the unit while they were searching. Just a little info from the other video: the Green Berets were already in the area for field training and none of them were armed.
Great story and you presented it very well. Great job! Cheers. 🇨🇦
Thank you!
@@TheLoreLodge My pleasure. I am already a Subscriber but I will be around more often in the future.
Cheers! 🇨🇦
I decided to check out your channel after seeing Wendigoon's video on the missing 411 stuff. These videos are great!
I came here looking for information on the missing Martin family from Oregon and this is what I watched. Great episode!
I would love to have you do a show on the missing Oregon Martin family.
Wendigoon sent me here. Pretty dope channel. Looks like I found something new to binge.
Welcome aboard!
What is more scary?
A bigfoot carrying away a child or a human man in a bigfoot costume carrying away a child?
Running Bear could have been a man in a ghillie suit. That would explain how he grabbed the kid from a bush without being seen.
Just found your channel, I've watched 3 videos so far. I was enjoying them all then I hear what you said about a couple things in this one & can I say how much more I like this channel 😂
Needless to say, I agree with you👏
You know it’s fucked when not even Iron Man can find the kid.
New to the channel. Love the content. And I know I'm late to the party, but really liking the hair.
Great video!
Hey Mattis and Thornbussy loving the videos!! I keep missing the streams coz I live in the UK and you guys stream at 3am for me but I enjoy whenever I do manage to chug enough energy drinks to watch the streams and try to start the milk chain!! Have a good day and make sure to cause some chaos!! Xx
Aw thank you!
The logic for him not ever having been there seems to make the most sense. Did the guy have an insurance policy that got paid out? Maybe the family is complicit in assisting him in disappearing for some reason. Rather than there being foul play and no motive for foul play or accident coverup, could there be a financial motive for them to cooperate together to make that happen? Maybe at 82 years old he was ready to check out.
came from wendigoons channel bc the topic is interesting, love your videos!
Found you through Wendigoon and I'm glad I did. I've enjoyed every video I've seen so far, thanks so much for the amazing content!
I don't think you mentioned it.. was the report of someone/something running on two legs carrying something made before or after the special forces showed up? That entire situation is weird as hell, honestly... I really hope we can learn more about this some day.
Off I go to binge some more of your content! Thank you again for doing what you do and doing it so well! :3 ♡
New member here from Tennessee but know a bit about the Matin case.Question… there were reports the Special forces had weapons.
One of The Lore Lodge competitors deny the Green Berets had weapons. During your research, did you bump into anything about weapons?
Thanks!
I don’t recall reading anything about them having weapons during the search, but they do go totally dark for a few days before leaving in the reports I found. Basically the footprint is found and then we don’t hear about them till they leave. Odd, but not damning.
I would like to say that it is not uncommon for green beret teams to come and get involved with searches or other civilian operations and I think it is possible a SF team herd of the situation with Dennis Martin and came out to yes, help find him, but to also keep there tracking skills sharp and saw this as a good way to do so.
Great job and good to hear a different perspective on the case.
i believe after all the players have died then the government might release their info.
It's not that it's illegal to hunt ginseng in Tennessee it's just that it's illegal to hunt for anything within the boundaries of a state or national Park
I was also in a Boy Scout camp and had someone in my cabin wake up to an animal laying on them, it was a fox though. This case is so strange, the only thing that kind of fits is some creature, person, or force took or killed that boy, and when the Special Forces figured it out; they went to hunt whatever it was and didn't want to tell anyone because people shouldn't know. If it was just like a bear or mountain lion attack or something, no need for them to keep looking for something or to not tell anyone what happened.
The snake was probably enjoying the kids warmth. Poor Kid, Poor Snake
Honestly the green berets being involved and calling more and more in just sounds like army bullshit. “Oh you didn’t find him? Bring more in. We are supposed to be the best.”
Some uppity officer just kept throwing dudes at it for whatever reason.
Right up their alley. Army does dumb shit
Or they found something that they needed backup
I am liking the videos, but a suggestion to keep my attention on the story would be some infographics or maps (with hiking routes of the missing for example) This can help the more visual of us build the story in our heads.
Beginning to add both of those in more often! Thanks to the recent spike in viewers I think we may be able to devote more time to the channel and that means graphics :)
@@TheLoreLodge that’s amazing! I’ll continue to smash the like button and do my part :)
Rain actually improves a dog's ability to pick up a scent. Unless of course it's like flash flood kind of rain.
when they found the remains did they find two shoes or just one? also it seems deliberate to me that the person walked into the creek but not out anywhere near where they entered. bodies of water like that hide tracks well
I love that you put wendigoon with Denis for what the place is known for
This was interesting to say the least. There are at least three things that tick some classic 411 cases; slightly handicapped, missing from a group of people, bad weather hampering the search, and traces (foot and shoe print) found far from original site.
The Green Berets have shown up for a few 411s, as has the FBI.
Sometimes, I think the government set up the National Park service as preserves for someone, or thing, and actually have some kind of agreement with them.
All I really can say is; why aren't there lists of missing people in these parks? Believe it or not, no lists of missing persons is maintained by any Park or government agency. I find that weird.
I find the fact that they wouldn't let anybody else search it very strange indeed like they knew something
This story is absolutely terrifying.
To explain why one is in the woods looking for Ginseng: Ginseng is harvested for the root and bc a LOT of money can be made on it the authorities try to prevent others from going on private properties to look/steal it. It can sell for $500-1,000 per pound, and that is the low end so you can see why people would be out digging in the woods. It's not easy to find, and they specifically want the root so that makes it harder. Also, Gensing is in high demand for energy drinks, teas etc, and an even greater demand in China/Asia so there is a huge market.
There is a rat snake in East TN that gets confused for copperheads. It’s close to the color and has bands that make people think it’s a copperhead. You have to look at its head if you’re not familiar with them.
Damn it's been a while since I've seen this channel recommended to me
Well we hope you’ll stick around!
As another commenter said I prefer this style of video I find it cleaner to listen to (audio level wise I like Botha hosts) while I work
Let’s go more 411! Love to see it
Time to track down some of those green berets
I think Foreign Internal Defense (as it relate to an ODA) would be more to do with security details involving high profile officials (i.e. diplomats, installed governors like Karzai, U.S. personnel in country) and related missions like setting up security for an embassy or a consulate somewhere in a foreign country.
That said, it seems really out of sorts for that many to be there and to be so closed and hands off, when their whole specialty kind of hinges on being very much hands on.
Missing Enigma's video on this is a must watch.
Way better than this
Even if it was a animal attack when the body still be around somewhere or at least something?
And there would be noises too, being that close animal attacks are not quiet
I lived in NC from when I was 7 until 12. I remember seeing SO MANY copperheads. And now thinking back they were all in the worst possible spots for humans. I'd see them on the side of the house, in woodpiles, around our dog cages etc. Their natural camouflage is insanely effective.
I live in North Georgia and they are really bad here too.
And mr. Martin himself believes he was lied to consistently throughout the entire investigation
Thanks!
I've lived in the prairies for a while. There's a zoo/animal rescue that I would go to as a child, even then Bobcats are not that big. At most they will defend their territory. I would say they are a bit smaller than a medium sized dog. Bears tho... A bear will fuck you up lol
The only issue with him being dragged off by something like that is that they reportedly found no signs of a struggle
@@TheLoreLodge yeah true that's always the weird part with these cases eh
It's been mentioned only once on another channel: Special Forces were there to liquidate a tribe of feral humans. Children (including the body of Dennis's remains) were perhaps among the dead. Not something you'd publicize. Also this was why the Unit Specialist working the case couldn't handle it emotionally and committed s--cide.
We live in strawberry plains which is around an hour tops from cades cove. Weird shit happens there that no one wants to talk about
Do you have any stories or experiences of your own to share? This kind of stuff is just so fascinating. What do you think makes it that way any ideas?
@@mollylollipops there is a lot of history in that place and there are still old cabins from the settlers up there that they have preserved and tried to keep for historical value. Some of them are very strange with small hidden staircases to addicts that you wouldn't really know is there and just all together weird feelings. Some of the houses make you feel like you're being watched but that is an altogether feeling all throughout Cades Cove. Ive heard about squatch sightings but never seen one myself.
@@annabellarosalind288 thanks for sharing💟
Here is what I think happened: I think they found his body near the lake that he "definitely wasn't" by the Green Berets, but I think the body was so damaged and they wouldn't have been able to explain the injuries so they covered it up. Just my opinion.
Americans: There was a snake within a half mile of me... it was pretty traumatizing.
Australians: Don't open the bottom draw to fast it pisses steve off... what, everyone know that the bottom draw is the designated snake draw.
This is honestly one of the weirdest Missing 411 stories I've heard yet, everything just feels so off about it
Not strange at all. Bigfoot.
The army personnel were still in training and were used to search the woods, which was what they had been trained the most in.
It wouldn’t have mattered if the bungalows had all solid walls. I grew up going to a Boy Scout camp with cabins, and we regularly had water moccasins and copperheads in our bunks.
Yeah, over 60 green barrettes in a forest
Looking for a missing kid
They go silent
In an area where they found foot prints.
Absolutely nothing suspicious about that.
Apparently they found it or them and had to fight them which is why they kept calling in reinforcements... The kid was most likely already dead by the time they were called in
Most parks have outhouses ( just a place to to have privacy to use the bathroom but it goes straight down to a pit) or a vault waterless toilet.
But latrine is just French for toilet.😊
As a resident of eastern Tennessee, I am both offended that you forgot to mention the country music, and can confirm that I do, in fact, encounter Wendigoon far too regularly in the wild.
You should do a video about that kid that was found and had a very eyes wide expression on one of his pictures
The recent one from Montana?
@@TheLoreLodge yeah I think that’s the one
I was listening to a late night show many years ago and a caller claimed he was a former member of an Army special forces member who was part of a unit called in on reports of "monsters". I have always wondered if there are really units of our military that hunt monsters, like bigfoot, dogmen or swamp monsters.
I believe so
Dennis Martin: *goes missing*
Iron Man: This is an avengers level threat
I LOVE CAMP HOSESHOE!! We usually stayed in roberts
Ginseng is worth huge money…..It is illegal to harvest it in National Parks, ….So he was afraid he would get arrested for harvesting Ginseng in the Park…..😊✌️
All he had to say was that he was out hiking or bird watching or anything. No one could have proved otherwise and he could have reported the bones. I think his story is absurd and he was just seeking attention because this case has such long legs and was a national story.
Have you heard of the case of Ryker webb
I watched another video on this and it was said that a family was walking a trail and saw a man running with a child and got into a white car. Has anyone else heard this ?
Yes, the Key family, I believe.
Edit: nvm, I don't think they saw the vehicle, just something carrying a boy on its shoulders.
He must have been taken by something we can't comprehend
I would be interested in the distance involved in the sighting of the "bear on two legs." At range, in woodland, when you see someone in ghillie suit moving they do not look like a human. Obviously if you are relatively close and have are not limited to a very short view you will figure it out, but at 500m in heavy forest who know what the mind would suggest to the observer from a short duration sighting.
As for the ginseng, it is illegal to hunt it on Federally protected land. It is also illegal to hunt it out of season. People have hunted it to the point that it is hard to find. It actually brings a lot of money & is ginseng from here in East Tennessee is prized in China. I am not sure about it back then, but it is illegal to take any wildlife, plant or animal, from a National Park.
Great post. At the same time, any man who came across bones of a child or an adult should have reported it then. All he had to say was that he was out hiking. I don't believe his story. He probably just wanted attention or to be seen as important even years later because the case has long legs.
My guess on those green berets?
Extermination mission
Eighty US Army Spec Ops troopers
There’s not much that can stand up to that, right?
I live in New England and grew up saying “App-uh-lay-shen”. My college was in North Carolina and that’s when I started hearing “App-uh-latch-en”.
I’d be interested to know what the timeline is with regard to the report of something being seen carrying something over its shoulder and the arrival of the green berets. Did the green berets show up after?
it’s legal to hunt guinean in TN it’s gotta be in the right season lol i’m from TN to awesome videos man hope u get to start traveling soon
If that man found human remains all he had to say was that he was out hiking or bird watching or something. It doesn't ring true all the years later that he couldn't have reported such a find. He wanted attention or something for a story that was huge at the time and then has had such a long interest. He is not believable.
@@kathyscott9219or he knows something
Ive always thought that the immediate arrival of the GBs right to the creek sector after finding the footprints, the rapid reinforcement, GB communication and activities black out, and prompt departure and search wrap up a few days later strongly suggested the discovery of a malicious group of feral people preying on park goers or a foreign special forces unit using the woods as a base. It sounds like there was a rapid and thorough recon and then a reinforcement for an extermination raid before a cleanup and departure.
I thought GB's were all about locate & eliminate. Your theory would play into their arrival and reinforcement.
Wow I remember when I was 12 I was fishing with my father and his friends, I was walking around when I noticed a Coral snake in between my legs, at first I asumed it was a fake coral wich is more commom in my region, but I call for my father and when he came, he said for me not to move because it was a Coral, he got closer and killed it with a stake very quickly, but still I will never forget the panic I felt knowing I was a few inches of a very painfull death
What did you use in your hair for this video?
How could he had gotten so far!