Same motorcycles in different clothing? Triumph Speed 400 vs Bajaj Dominar 400 | PowerDrift
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
- As soon as the Triumph Speed 400 was unveiled, many, many enthusiasts were quick to point out how similar some of the specs were to the Bajaj Dominar 400. And after hearing how the motorcycles sound on social media, their belief only got stronger. Of course, these two are built by Bajaj, both have similar engine architectures and 400 in their name, but are they really the same? We ride both back to back to find out.
#PowerDrift #Speed400 #Dominar400 #PDArmy
0:00-0:46 - Intro
0:47-1:33 - Similarities
1:34-3:09 - Powertrain Differences
3:10-3:53 - Do they sound the same?
3:54-5:39 - Ride & Handling
5:40-6:53 - Tyres & Braking
6:54-7:14 - Service Intervals
7:15-9:16 - Verdict
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Domi fans really are heating up a little in the comments 😅.
I don't think he means to say dominar is bad in any way. Everything he said is in COMPARISON with Speed 400. The opinions are relative to triumph. Need to understand that😬
This comment! Bingo
thank you digvijay!
0-60 in three and 0-100 in around 8!!! Lazy?! Some YT channels chose Domi 400 over Classic 350 as well 😅
All fine. But Domi lazy? Let’s battle it out on a drag trip I say.
Those Diamond cut alloys on dominar looks 🔥
🔥🔥
They do!
What about domis engine. I am facing plenty of problems. Domi sucks
Dominar is ❤ bro! Even if it has some vibrations! I love my bike a lot. No hate towards the new speed 400 though.
totally understandable - feel & connection is stronger than specs or a review
@@carswithkaran 💯
Glad to hear that.
Stop with this annoying background musics
I like this video. On point. PD had drifted from it's original nature of sticking to the topic and started with editorial idioms. Feels good to see quality content after ages!
Cheers!
thank you ❤🙌🏻
Don't know about others but I stopped watching this cause of the annoying and shrill background song.
Sir, you're still here!
Please try watching this from a different source.
@@ST0ICSAGE I commented by pausing the video 😄
4:04 this part was annoying
Headphones ache use karo re
One more similarity between dominar n triumph speed 400 is both motorcycles has some serious refinement issues around exactly 4.5k rpm with blast of vibration. After post 5k , vibrations suddenly disappeares. 😊
this is there in my Honda CBR 650F also doesnt mean shit.
all bikes have it at certain RPM's
Not for the Speed. The higher you rev, the vibey it gets
Powerdrift has something against Dominar since start... How's it lazy?! 3 years and 40k kms and riding in Bengaluru traffic, i find it in place. Yes its heavy but that comes handy in various other conditions. We seldom forget Domi has Odysseies to its credit as Kamath and Candice ...
The weight is an issue. Pit it against the Speed and its very evident. The steering feel lazy for sure.
i have a dominar 400 OBD-2(2023) version, and it's the king of highways people turn to see it like it's a tank of bikes, it's highly stable on cruising speeds 100+ kmph, yeah it's heavy and need muscles to control it but what it makes a man masculine, my friends avoid to borrow my bike because of its weight😂
yea.... that analogy pretty much sounds like similar to same analogy of Royal Elephant few years ago used to get as some kinda appreciation... Its a bullet, its an emotion, its macho & all you know ;)
Hi,
Can you let me know if the bike has a lot of vibrations or it’s acceptable being a 373 cc single cylinder?
@@sahilgandhi2809 speed400 doesn't have vibration within usable rpm.... 100kph is no issue on this bike by a single cylinder standard. Some ppl exaggerate this vibration thing these days.
@@kamalchoudhury2910 thank you for the info!
It’s nice to have such powerful machines at such attractive prices. The Dominar, Speed and the X440, all three belong to the same price bracket but seem to quite different in the way they ride.
Harley X440- For a LS fan with more pep than the classic 350 and Honda CB350.
Speed 400 - For someone who likes attention to detail and likes all around ability rather than focused on one aspect.
Dominar - For someone who likes to tour on the highway at 100+ speeds and doesn’t have a budget for a Adv 390.
The common thing i found in both the bikes was that I can afford to buy neither of them.
Ayyee! Some day, one day. Keep that chin up
hahahahaha soon brother!
Why doesnt anybody talk about pillian comfort these days?
right! I have requested them to come up with pillion comfort but guess they are stuck in a timeframe where they give the same info repeatedly! We get it that it's not Dominar's engine and is a completely new product can you please move on from comparing engine specs and silencer and from that suspension too and make a video about whether is it a fun bike to keep up with the enthusiasm of acquiring it and living with it for like next 5+ years! Is it as good as KTM 390 in comfort level for both pillion and rider? @powerdrift @pdarmy can you now please make a proper video of what your army wants?
We hear you. Can be added in our next editorial video.
They also don't show the throw of headlight and how the horns are. Honestly these days reviews are just a waste of time.
It's time Bajaj used the engineering work done on the Speed 400 to upgrade the Dominar 400/250, particularly on weight reduction, better torque spread and refinement all round.
I really don't think dominar needs a much makeover.. It's really good for what it is. I agree it's heavy.. But the touring capability is commendable.. It can corner well.. Great brakes.. Not like what's been told in this video..
Dominar gets a lot of bashing at PD channel and God only knows why.. Despite weight(as per them).. This bike is a gem
We don't think there will be an exchange of RND but we do feel the Dominar needs to get better now
Dominar needs an update for sure
Own a Dominar 2018. Runs like a charm :)
Hi guys, nice video but a small suggestion. Please keep those spec details on the screen a bit longer, what's the hurry, some of them disappear in a second. Goes faster than I can pause the video. So keep them on for like 5 secs as a standard and longer if the discussion is regarding those spec numbers, especially in comparison videos like these. Keep up the good work otherwise 💪😉
thank you srinath, point taken 🙌🏻
Noted. We will do that. Thanks Samarth
Dominar's weight kills all the fun of the 400cc engine
Yeah but you won't feel it as much when you are out touring.
@@powerdriftofficial reducing obesity - of man or machine costs money.
What does it mean by seat height N/A for dominar...as journalists, it's your job to find out
Measuing with tape is also an option😅
@@nitishdewangan15 exactly
After a long time.. this video has PD DNA into it.. typical PowerDrift editing style
thank you abhijeet!
@@carswithkaran keep up the good work mitra...
Booyeah!
The only thing I would like to point out apart from others is that the Triumph 400's headlight looks so much like the Punisher's logo💀❤🔥
And also to mention that both the bikes look absolute beast in their realms🔥
Hip-hop audience: Kr$na is a lyrical genius with callbacks
Karan Singh: Hold my engine oil
Hahahahha. Comment of the day
hahahahaha suhas, thank you!
Loved the Dominar 400 since it launched! However, it's the Speed that I booked on the first day itself. Can't wait for it!!
Yeah! The Speed is something eh
congratulations!
@@carswithkaran thanks buddy!
Even if engine is same (which in case may be I think) the triumph is way lighter than dominar. So the riding experience is different.
For sure
And the engine is not the same
I would sell my D400 for Triumph Scrambler for sure....! Infact, I don't mind keeping both as I Just ❤ my D400 for its sheer power, pickup and stability on highway!!🎉
W
@@amritlal9442¹
Itna paisa kaha se late ho Bhai tum log😭😭😭
both bikes have wheels, engine, handlebars, mirrors, foot pegs, gear box etc.
Dominar has 5k interval, only difference no oil change required unless if you want to
"...Not a ctrlC and ctrlV, stick with me and we will see
these bikes are two different personalities"
QUOTE!
hahaha!
"Since this is not IBW, We're gonna keep the revs a little mellow" 😂 That surely hit hard bro
🍿🍿🍿
😂😂😂
The dominar service interval is not 10k , it’s 5k/4months
Thanks for pointing this out.
Buying a motorcycle made by Bajaj is a big risk. Being a KTM 390 owner, I must say Bajaj is terrible in matters such as honouring the extended warranty.
hey bro , I am planning to buy the dominar 400 and am also keen on their 5 year warranty, but u were mentioning something about them not honouring the extended warranty ? which bike and can u elaborate on this ?
Great video Karan. 👍 Good that we have a clear verdict depending on priorities.
Thank you Anant!
👏👏👏
Triump = better all rounder. Dominar = touring specific.
yup
Well said
just looking at the dominar's rake, you can tell the speed is more set for city streets. Just wish the dominar pulled in just a little
This gys vocabulary is too good .... Just like how pd does❤🔥
Oh yeahhh :D
haha thank you!
What are your thoughts on the 16 km long service interval ? Will the bike survive such a long interval without service specially in our Indian condition
Waiting for my baby speed delivery 🫶🏻
Congratulations!
Congratulations!
Did you take test ride?
The Dominar here makes more sense if it is only about Highway riding with pillion, I doubt the pillion would be confortable with those short dimensions of Speed400. Lot of luggage options are also available for Dominar.
yeah the Speed’s dimensions will sorta hold it back, especially with pillion + luggage
so it's true Through KTM, came the Dominar 400 & triumph speed 400
Both are good in their own specs ....
If you want Power-Cruise , Go for D400
If you want a performance motorcycle which you can ride every day , Go for Triumph 400...
Only Problem is the Service availablity of Triumph 😂
Dominar brake pads can be switched to rr310 or d390
Is that a question?
Just completed one month with my brand new domi❤️❤️
As a Dominar 400 2022 owner, I'd say speed 400 is a better ride overall.
I know PD has always had a thing for dominar :P
Both bikes have their pros and cons.
Dominar has better high speed stability, slightly faster (acceleration and top speed), big bike feel, much better exhaust.
Speed 400 has better quality and fit finish, better driveablity, much better handling(better weight distribution) and ofc Triumph brand.
For touring>>Dominar
For mostly city>>Triumph
As Shumi/varun always said, Test ride and decide!
Thing for or thing against :P
But really well said for everything else. W comment
@@powerdriftofficial haha love ya PD
But honestly at current prices, triumph is a no brainer. They will surely increase price over time...like ktm :)
haha awesome comment, well summed up!
IBW be like : Mujhe kyu toda??
😂😂
But......
Speed 400 will definitely sell better than what dominar has managed to do.
People will be sceptic while considering the most expensive bike in Bajaj's catalog but will have no issues buying the cheapest one in Triumph's catalog, although both have same price.
Its engineering that's done today. Domi is now an older platform.
Time will tell
@@powerdriftofficial that's correct. Different times. I was referring to the psychological aspect only.
Similar thing happened for Apache 310rr and the BMW 310 series
Dominar looks 👌 💥
I own a 2023 Dominar 400. It's my first bike. Is it heavy? Yes (a lot) and as Karan pointed out, the brakes are good but there is some progression lacking as I brake harder. Apart from that, it is insane how good the machine tours and I was genuinely surprised in the corners as well. Again, you need to ride it a bit different but it is genuinely very fun in the corners. And since I use it in the city to commute to college and back everyday, I can say that it is quite easy to maneuver in traffic as well! (I'm 5'7 so you can imagine how it is for me haha)
That sounds like a happy owner and its so good to hear.
a bike you can vibe and connect with has no competition!
@@carswithkaran100%!
Varun didn't seem to be enjoying the bike after 80kmph out on the Highway. Karan, how do you feel about it after 80 and touring in general o n speed 400?
So this test bike felt better till 90kmph. Apparently, other publications had no refinement issues till 110kmph. Could be a pre-prod thingy.
I feel you surely can tour on the Speed 400 there’s no reason why you can’t, it’s just that to us the bike felt at its best around 85-90kmph
Only in india are these bikes priced tbe same, here dominar is 4laks and triumph speed 5.2 I went dominar route because the triump isnt worth that premium price. Im happy with my dominar ❤
Where
Which would you recommend as a highway mile muncher, to cruise at 110-120 kmph all day long? I am interested in the speed 400, but heard from multiple places that it can't comfortably hold and cruise at 110-120?
Who said it can't hold 120!.. It can hold 130s & 140s!!.. Haven't you see review videos so far where the bike has been claimed to do 170 on the meter & every single guy was able to breach 160 effortlessly!!..
Speed 400 does 170kmph@9Krpm!!.. That means 120kmph is at 6400rpm!.. 6400rpm is not even the Speed's peak torque yet at 6500rpm!!..
120 n all is a fairly simple job for a bike of capabilities of Speed 400!!..
I do 120 for hours on my puny 21Ps 250cc FZ25!! 😛.. Is this even a big factor for Speed 400's capabilities really!!
@@pravinmurthy hey thanks for the reply. My only concern are the vibes at that RPM. Ik it comes down to how much vibes we as a rider can live with, but at that same time it shouldn't be that high. This is the only thing I have on my mind that's confusing. Desperately looking forward to the test rides 😃
The Speed is vibey at 120 but its nothing extraordinary, even the Dominar (and the Duke) for that matter has vibrations at 120-130kmph - you can pretty much tour on any of the three, the Speed’s shortcoming is its size actually which might not let you put a lot of luggage with a pillion
I own a BS4 Dominar with 35bhp and that is also not lazy !!
But mine is now 5 years old, so should I consider Speed 400 as my primary rides are in the city..
All ready booked.. let's me test drive over the weekend !!
Give the Speed a test ride
Why don't you take a spin of the Speed?
Thanks..
Dominar sounds like a bit of an attack stance, give review of gear box bro?
What do you think about the liquid coolant on the below in triumph
It should be okay as long as you are riding it in the city.
@@powerdriftofficial thanks for the reply
But in the case of scrambler will it be an issue?
@@bharani.Vthere's a metal bash plate on Scrambler (accessory on Speed).. So shouldn't be a concern..
That bgm is annoying...just stop it...
I've never seen a bike as good as the Dominar receive so much bashing for no reason.
was about to comment the same
Yes and the same with cb350s..
Idk if speed looks better than the Dominar. Clearly the Dominar has a road presence. I think people overhyped Speed and are now desperate to justify that hype.
The Dominar is a good bike, but compared to the Speed it falls short on pretty much every parameter - quality, engine, ride, ease of use - looks are subjective so i’ll leave that out
In my country the D400 is the best price/performance offering by quite a lot. Yet, you hardly see them on the street. People just don't want them, they either go for a more sensible bike, or a more exciting one. It's a bland and unfocused bike, with poor aestethic design.
Tune down BGM frequency, it's irritating. Karan's voice not so audible bcoz of that. ❤
apologies!
have been riding the dominar since early 2019, even now, if i were to buy a new one i would buy a dominar again🤗
Good to hear that.
First gen D400 owner here ! Gotta say this still runs like butter
@@saikiran3238 i owned the first gen,but it got stolen, i then got the UG which was just launched back then.. no complaints, except for the svc..
@@sarkarinaukar9658 yeah same here , bike is excellent but servicing it a tiresome stuff with a lots of inexperienced staff members limited to only 250cc models
same here
this guy is really doing great
thank you!
:D
Video was shot at high street pune and outskirts on pune (dehu road)
Need comparison of bmwg310r and Honda cb300 r
Which engine are they gonna put in Ns400?
Maybe domi's engine
Bro we are happy with 90s legendary songs as dominar, we don't want MAI NAI TO KOUN BE😂😂😂😂chapri wrap up
We clearly did not get this comment.
😵💫
Triumph just looks and feels way more premium
Really😂 have you ever seen TVS Ronin?
Clears my doubt
Yamaha should start manufacturing SR400 in India which they manufacturing in Japan up until now.
Looks so nice no?
@@powerdriftofficial One of the best. It could be made in India and be sold for under 3 lakhs. It's a mechanically simple bike and it will sell well since RX 135 and RD 350 has good fan following here along with Yamaha in general having good brand status and better network than the likes of Big Wing. They could export it back to Japan like Honda does with H'ness. Yamaha should see this potential.
@@powerdriftofficial straight outta Tokyo Revengers. Iykyk
For Yamaha indian customers are laughing stock. They will bring innovative bikes in Bangladesh but not in India may be they don't want to compete with Honda
@@vikasshelke5544 A 400cc air cooled retro Yamaha will easily outsell Honda H'ness since Yamaha has bigger dealer network than Big Wing. Yamaha is already #2 top seller after Bajaj in over 150cc category.
Hahaaa i loved the scene from INTERVIEW❤️, same same😂
❤😂
But different different
I bet truimph will be more refined...Coz Domi is too vibey if it's a Bs4 model...And if you install crash bars and any metal accessories...Then toh tank will buzz like hell..And Dominor suspension my god very uncomfortable..
It is definitely more refined.
Ayy Balewadi Highstreet...Noice
🤣🙌🏻
MH12 represent!
Its great that he mentioned, they are as different as Spiderman and Venom.
Spiderman colours are resembling triumph's
and venom colours are prominent on dominar....
Huh? am i overthinking?😅
Where did you shoot? I can see blueridge behind you.
Somewhere around Baner ;)
hahaha good eye
Domi has a KTMish sound but speed sounds different
All three sound very similar.
What on earth are you saying bro.
Domi and KTM sound totally different.
One can close his eyes and say which is which just by hearing
@@shaisabdasgupta only tha bass levels is differing bro i've heard it side by side
Hello can you please confirm your height?
As my height is 6'1 and I wanna know if I would be able to comfortably ride speed 400 or not.
Will look like a toy bike
What we need now is a comparison between speed 400 and duke 390 I know the price range for the two are different but it will be a good insight to have.
No one can beat Duke 390 just go for it, even I'm not a ktm fan I'm hater of ktm still suggesting to go Duke 390 bcoz that motorcycle is next level if you want hyper riding or aggressive riding
Be careful what you wish for :)
soon
This guy is great :)
Yeah! GGWP
thank you mohan!
5:57 you showed the breaks specs of dominor 400 two times you not showed the speed 400 breaks😅
16k kms service interval, wondering if they are using engine oil found in Mars! Also the good old humour is gone 😪
No no. That's standard Triumph.
Which has better headlight illumination at night?
Dominar
I am waiting for this comparison
writing or waiting
@@carswithkaran 🙋
Like, Share, Enjoy :D
Great scripting ❤
Glad you enjoyed it :)
thank you nitin ❤
Man what is the error at 6:55? Are the brakes the same on both the bikes? Or is this an error? The annotations in this video are really unpolished. You haven't listed out the Domi's seat height either. Other than that, I really have no complaints with this video
Hume maaf karo. The Domi's seat height isn't listed anywhere. That's very specific btw.
apologies
James Franco: Same same, but different
Hahah yeah!
Its a totally different bro
@@ddnetwork4308 never doubt James Franco
😂😂
The biggest advantage of triumph is the 16000 km service interval.. That's insane...
Honestly I booked it and I'm gonna service it way before that
Or 1 year. Whichever is earlier**
16000 is for Polar odyssey!
Wait that is Domi!
Batman Spiderman multiverse! "Strange" 😂😂
Or 1 year.
the 1 year being perhaps more crucial
Just hope that Triumph brings in a Cafe Racer with this engine🤞🤞
Thruxton :D
hope so too!
To all those naysayers (possibly RE fanboys) who comment that “Speed is a Dominar under a different skin”
Same engine for sure. No way they would sell a Triumph at that price.
@@NikhilKumarM So, the points which’re mentioned in this video (and many other videos) which prove that it’s a different engine are bogus ?
Yes. Its a brand new engine.
Did you removed the protection from jacket? Feel like nothing in chest and on hand
nope the protection is there
@@carswithkaran Ok great i have same jacket when I see this I feel like nothing inside 😀
Karan needs to eat a lot of protein. That's the takeaway here.
@@powerdriftofficial 😋 But he is fit
KTM ko beech me na ghusane ke liye dhanyavad 🙏
haha kyu?
Wo baad mein
Get one of the Spidermana, an expensive nanosuit.
HUH
Can u plz do a vlog about riding in standing position in himlayan vs dominer vs ktm 390 x
Dominar price should be reduced by 15-20k.
Speed will get a hike soon
I own the old costume one, but I like the new dress better
google translate ?
Must've done a Mileage test too....
Like Dominar 400, Speed 400 will also suffer from low sales figure in times to come, due to low mileage, lesser no of sales and service points
I’d say the low number of sales and service points is going to be a tricky hurdle for Triumph - let’s see if they can ramp up quickly enough
Time travel is not real
I have a dominor 250, shud I upgrade to Triumph scrambler?
It's your wish brother 😅
Think & analyse what do you need out of a bike!.. Why will anyone move to some other bike just for the fun of it!.. Or you have so much cash & you don't know what to do with it 😛
weight gives grate stability and confidence in D400 while going at 100+. and breaks are very reliable. you can drive 700km+ per day and not get your back killed. if one wants to drive D400 on city roads they have to question their decision making.
The Speed at high speeds does not feel unstable. It only feels vibey
Dominar sounds better in my case
Speed 400 Vs G310
Speed 400 Vs INT650
Speed 400 Vs Duke390
Speed 400 Vs H440
Compare em all! Maza hi ajaega! 😝
While you are at it, Speed 400 vs Duke 250
@@Anant.Bhatia.Antz_Bin also Gixxer 250, Pulsar N250!
hahaha soon!
That is quite some list
@@powerdriftofficial haha indeed! The more the merrier! And an Interesting one tho!
I wonder y people are obsessing over weather it’s the same engine as dominar or 390, what really matters is how the bike makes u feel, engine ergos, looks, everything is a part of the equation, who cares weather parts of the equation are copied or not, even if it’s same engine if it feels different, it’s different, Ride Interceptor and gt back to back to understand what a company can do with the same engine without messing with tuning or ecu mapping, by just changing the ergos… I believe people just want this to be the same engine, to be able to understand how Triumph and Bajaj managed to launch this bike at this price…. 😅 they mist have saved on something 😅😅
Bingo Palash, well said.
Facts!
Sir
I purchase bajaj dominar 400 on 6th of july
I noticed on 7 of july that engine oil leak so i give back to service centre but they not even touch the bike.
They deliver bike without wash
There is many scratches on Engine Gaurd
Engine oil is leak
There sales team told 2023 model it is but it was 2022 model
Please solve my problem instantly or change the defective piece or give my money back
Respective
Sanyam Jain
09/08/2023
Bina pdi ke bike loge yehi hoga
go to consumer court, file a petition
Triumph is best 💥
What is that tumour on dominar?
That's called windshield kid
@@sandeepsunny5509 kid???? lol, call your poppy i need to have a word with him
You mean the one like yours?😂
You go on a dominar 400 especially the green variant, people will look at you.
maybe 5-6 years ago. Now when a dominar goes by It's the same as seeing a Royal Enfield Bullet or Himalayan.
@@abykuruvilla bro are u kidding? Currently I have a green dominar in my town and people look at my bike. Because RE is everywhere and it's not great at looks. And himalayan also same. It's the dominar which looks nearly like Kawasaki green.
@@sandeepsunny5509
There are lots of dominars out here and I am not able to see what you're talking about. Maybe in your towh there aren't enough of them.
@@abykuruvilla you find RE in every uncle's hand, but u rarely find dominar on the road. Maybe you are living near Bajaj manufacturing plant. Coming to looks, Dominar dominates RE even in speed.
@@sandeepsunny5509
No I live in Bengaluru and Kochi, Kerala. I see at least 4-5 of them everyday. 3 of my colleagues have it too. Maybe you're living in an underdeveloped area where people fancy a mid end bajaj.
Triumph should launch speed 200 as well,looking same like speed 400... like duke series.