I ugly cried in the theater when I hears Pepper say "you can rest now." He *is* the smartest person in the room and he has been essentially killing himself to keep everyone safe.
the way they didn't romanticize tony's death. he didn't die smiling, he couldn't say goodbye to anyone. he was dying, barely conscious. it wasn't glorious, it was ugly, cold and sad, but that's why he's a hero. the reward wasn't for him.
And RDJ came up with it. He decided the most powerful thing Tony could say at the moment of his death, was nothing. The Russos ran with it and it was perfect.
It's also in line with how Tony acted in the previous films. As cocky and arrogant he was, his big sacrifices were always the kind of where he took the weight of the responsibility even when it would make him a bad guy in the eyes of others. He never expected recognition at those times. At least that's how I see it. Not for a reward but just because someone has to do it.
I loved seeing Tony as a father. My favorite line is when he says "Go to sleep or I'll sell all your toys." Little kids aren't great at knowing when you're just kidding, but she just must be so used to Daddy being silly like that because she giggles and goes to sleep.
Yup, I tell my nephews and niece that I will eat them and they laugh. Even kids can pick up when you are kidding based on how you say it. I can change the expression and tone of my voice and in a millisecond they would know I am serious. Kids are smart. My niece that I meet rarely didn't get it but slowly she understood too.
Yeah don't do what my mom did and actually bring in a trash bag to teach me a lesson, she never taught me how to clean up but threw away a bunch of my stuff when I was 7 because I didn't clean up after myself, now I can't trust anyone touching my stuff even when it would make my life easier
@@CosyKitty this omg, this. i have such a huge problem letting people near my things cause my parents would just take them from me and either it would disappear, get unintentionally destroyed or thrown in the trash.
Kids are remarkably fast learners. My niece thought i was a jerk because i talked to her (mostly) like i talk to everyone else. After she caught on to my humor, i became her favorite and now shes just as if not more lethal with her quips than i am with her only being 10yo 😂
That line reminds me of Iron Man 2008, where he says to the robot arm "if you spray me again when I'm not on fire, I'm donating you to a city college."
I like this idea. It opens up a lot of doors for the MCU, especially with the recent shows they've done. WandaVision was the closest thing we're going to get to an MCU sitcom, and FATWS uses a lot of buddy cop tropes. Guardians of the Galaxy is a comedy/space Western. CATFA was a war movie, and CATWS was an action movie with thriller and spy elements. Spider-Man Homecoming was a teen flick, Black Widow looks like it's going to be a spy thriller. The possibilities are endless. What if we get an MCU romcom? Or a horror movie (venom, anyone??)? Hire Rian Johnson and make an MCU murder mystery. I'm here for all of it! EDIT: Also Doctor Strange as urban fantasy, Black Panther when you boil it down to its narrative parts is like a royal/aristocratic usurpation drama, Ant-Man is a heist film, etc.
I honestly believe Tony told pepper about time travel because he wanted her to talk him out of it. I love that she doesn't, and tells him that he wont be ok if he doesn't try.❤️
I believe that too primarily because when I have moments like the scene, I talk to my bff or my mom. Mostly because I want to be told the opposite of my thoughts.
The only reason he kicked around the idea at all is a combo of two reasons: A) Cap brought it to him in the first place (he firmly believed it couldn’t be done); B) he saw the keeper of the time stone fall without using it once during the actual fight with the Mad Titan... I’d call him crunching the numbers to make sure they didn’t unmake the universe by accident, but he knew they were close because Cap himself wouldn’t have come in person. If he ever really wanted any chance at being talked out of it, it’d have been immediately after Cap & crew left.
yeah word, I think he wanted to be talked out of it but she knows him so well that he wouldn't be okay if he didn't try to save everyone "you can save everyone" is a big thing for heroes but they always have the need to try
@@katyanarodriguez711 it’s a bit more than that. He. Almost didn’t want the knowledge to exist. Like, sweet it under the rug, cover it up some more, and then bury all that so deep even archeologists wouldn’t be able to find it after. 140 million futures and 1 (only one) actually worked, and that doesn’t speak volumes to you? Okay, try it like this; classic, old school Dr. Strange (from the comics) with the time stone should have absolutely destroyed Thanos with only 4 of the stones in his possession (so long as one of those stones aren’t the mind stone). Why? Because Dr. Strange’s power are granted to him by Gods. Not “gods” (little “g”, like Odin), but actually Gods. The Old Gods, the ones that predate the concept of ancient, ya know? That, and the power to control time is broken; it’s a terrible burden. Would anyone be okay with having to allow Holocaust happen? I’m telling you, Tony didn’t want to be talked out of it. He went Pepper like she was his mother, he just had a bad dream, and wanted to be hugged, patted on the head, and be told it wasn’t real & everything would be okay. But I’ll give you some credit. She knew not only he doing, she figured out even without Tony, the others were still going to try & potentially (read: probably) mess things up worse.
Agreed. Tony's finally a husband, a father, safe, somewhat happy in all fragility - after years of fear and devastation. I love this conversation the most because they're each thinking, hesitating, formulating, before they speak. Despite her personal fears Pepper seeks out the words he needs to hear. Not her husband, but the hero.
imagine ur beeing spider man, and your spider sense just goes off out of nowhere stronger than ever before you know in every fiber of your body that you are about to die but dont know how or why. that must be the scariest few seconds of his life.
@@carmenespinosa6423didn't they said it was Tom's suggestion/improvise tho and not the writers? o.o if it is mad that the writers went ahead with it than whatever they had then that's understandable. OwO
What also really got me with Tony’s death is the way he says “and I am iron man” His breathing starts getting fast during the “and i... am..” as if he knows what’s coming and he’s terrified but then he takes a pause and he calms down to say “iron man” as if he accepts and knows he’s going to die. Pauses to take everything in for one more second. Snaps. Then dies 😭😭😭😭😭 U guys have me wanting to rewatch the whole series for the 4th timeee
Also it's a testament to his strength of will that as the Stones ravage his body by unloading their power into him all at once he manages to hold it back enough not just to focus on what he needs to do but to get off that final badarse boast.
@@MLaak86 I really like the theory that the reason he's able to do that, is because he's *so* goddamned battered and broken from all the shit he's gone through (how many times has he broken that arm??) and has such chronic pain issues that he's *used* to pushing through horrific pain and getting the job done, whereas beings like Thanos and Hulk barely feel physical pain in their lives, hence it's so hard for them to deal with the Stones.
*Cinema Therapy gets to the "Mr. Stark, I don't feel so good" scene* Alan: "You *had* to show that one..." Johnathan: "I think he *killed* it." Alan: *soul-deep sighing*
Omg I was crying when I saw Infinity War in theatre. I kept repeating "He's just a baby. Leave him alone." Over and over while crying during that scene
On one hand I can acknowledge that it didn't *have* to be drawn out... on the other, Tom Holland acted the HELL out of that scene and I can and will cry every time I watch it
That entire death scene was improvised. It was just RDJ, Holland, Paltrow, the directors and a skeleton crew to keep it as much a secret as possible. But that was the creative genius of Gwyneth Paltrow.
@@AudioArcturia doing keagles with rocks is fine. its her scams that are shitty. saying rocks are "healing" is bullshit. its the keagles you do with *smoothed, body-safe* stones that can be healthy. but yeah, her entire goop brand is just a scam.
I don't know if this has been talked about, but I love how the AI Tony built for himself is full of snark and helpful criticism, because even from the beginning, I think a part of Tony knew that he needed to be challenged, top be called to task. But for Peter, he makes this absolutely supportive and nurturing mother (or maybe big sister) like AI.
Yeah! Since Peter responses well to love and positive reinforcement having Jarvis or someone snarky would put him down. Whenever Peter started to doubt himself Karen was there to reassure him, which in a way might of been a way Tony was communicating to him, ya know what I mean?
@@danielhart7435 For comic book, super quippy, and banter-heavy Spider-Man, you are absolutely right. For young, inexperienced MCU Spider-Man, it fits.
Tony's last moments, when Pepper kneels with him, and she's SMILING when she says, "We're gonna be ok. You can rest now." And Tony just lets go, like he was holding on to hear that, and then Pepper instantly breaks down....It breaks my heart every time. She was his rock. His safe place. She does the hardest thing she's ever done in her life and doesn't show her grief to her dying husband, so he can pass with peace, knowing his family will be ok. It shows how well they know each other, and how deeply they love. I don't think I'll ever be able to watch that scene without crying. I'm literally crying right now, and it was just a clip out of context.
What I love about "I love you 3000" is that it shows how smart Tony's kid is. Tony says "I love you tons"...a ton is 2000 lbs. And the kid says "I love YOU 3000". Which is bigger than a ton. And how many 5 year old kids know that?? Plus it's also just the kind of adorable thing that kids that age say.
No. Just knowing that doesn't make her smart. It's easy to know facts, that just requires you have someone who tells you them. What's smart is knowing the fact well enough that you can see how it can be applied, that you learn how to think about the world in a way that facts become useful. Knowing the fact doesn't make her smart. Knowing that she can use it does.
Counter: The best thing is watching the narcissistic man turn into a hero who sacrificed himself to save the universe, and the man who kept sacrificing himself and his happiness learn to be selfish and live a life.
@@dragon9261 Not exactly though, Tony doesn't give his life for the universe he gives his life for his family. He is willing to die, without any chance of getting out, even having stared down that road once before because the alternative is his daughter potentially dying. Tony find something worth dying for, at the end of the day, cap is wrong. Sometimes you have to trade lives and Tony trades his for Pepper and Morgan without a moment's hesitation.
God the thing that gets me about Tony’s death is his staggered breathing and that he’s trying so hard to hold on to be there for his family but then pepper tells him that she and Morgan are going to be fine and he can let go
Tony isn't in prison due to Ultron from 2 different perspectives: 1) he is basically Ultron's father, the creator of sentient life that then went on to kill, or 2) an arms manufacturer who made a weapon. Along the first part, you don't imprison the parents of the mass murderer, just the murderer. If it is the second, you don't punish the arms manufacturer for the people killed using their weapon, you punish the one using said weapon, and in this case the weapon and the user happen to be the same thing. In both instances blame could be placed on tony morally, but not legally. He is morally responsible for those who died, but he wasn't the one who killed them, so not he is not at legal fault.
I think it probs has something to do w product liability concerns or something like that. Like, weapons are made and sold to hurt people so the government can’t exactly put a person in prison if they’re a licensed weapons manufacturer who makes products that do what they’re supposed to. Ultron was, for one thing, unlicensed with no legal “hey can I do this”, and for another was intended to protect people and instead killed people. Tony made a defective product without consideration of harmful consequences or appropriate safety measures. So, he’s liable for the damage that his defective invention causes.
@@handtomouth4690 i know this is a 9 month old comment but drop the fuckin strawman, no one believes that except for the extremists (who btw are a minority to the point that they might not even exist)
Yes but those are happy tears. For me though it’s Tony’s breakdown when he sees Cap again and says you weren’t there. That one gets me every damn time.😢
Don't disagree, but the scene that got me crying was when Happy was talking to his daughter on the porch and she says she wanted a cheeseburger. I bawled. lol
I would posit that another reason Tony trusts Banner with an open look at his strategy is that Banner is the only other Avenger who actively displays the kind of remorse Tony feels for some of his actions. He can meet him both intellectually and emotionally.
And there was that post-credits scene where Tony is trying to open up and emotionally dump on Bruce, but Bruce has to remind him that he is "not that kind of doctor". I can't remember which movie this was in... maybe Ragnarok?
@@rimurutempest4945 The timing of this reply is too much for my brain. I'm watching Reincarnated as a Slime right now. Rimuru is literally on my screen at this very moment. I am shaken to my core
@@Jeridiculous Tony and Bruce help each other with each other's PTSD We know Bruce feels remorse and guilt due to what he does as the hulk even though he never killed anyone intentionally he's caused lots of damage only Bruce internalizes and represses this openly whereas Tony externalizes it and is Open about it to Bruce (hence him telling Bruce to see his "hulk" as a gift because he sees them both as men with the brains and brawn to fix the world)
It's so impressive to watch the subtletly of RDJ's performance right before he snaps. All just in his expressions. The surprise when the power of the stones begins surging through his armor. You can see it register on his face just how powerful the stones are and his eyes snap over to Thanos like he's realizing something new. Then, the quick succession of anger (this amount of energy being discharged is going to kill me, why do I have to do this), sadness (I got my second chance, I don't want to die), and acceptance (it's the only way). And he snaps.
I've worked with welders that have to track 5 or 6 things at once Painters that that track hundreds of parts to perfection I can't imagine how much practice and focus it takes to bring so much to every second of every gesture like some actors do
I held it together with Tony Stark's death until Pepper said "We're gonna be ok". That statement broke me. All a person wants in the end is to take care of those closest to them. I could just feel that weight and I started bawling. :(
Tom Holland's line of "I don't wanna go" always reminds me of Doctor Who's 10th Doctor who had a similar 'death' scene. It's always quite crushing to see the one who spends his time saving others begging for their own life, and being denied
I think lessons from the screenplay talked about how tony and Steve’s characters arcs were complete when one lived the life they never got the chance to, and the other gave their life up. I thought that was so powerful
I get choked up every time I think about Yinson's last words to Tony "Don't waste your life, Stark. Don't waste it." When Tony and Cap have their measuring contest on the helicarrier in Avengers, I don't think Tony understood what Yinson was saying. Part of Tony's arc was rebelling against consequences - including his own mortality. Between the shrapnel and the palladium poisoning, Tony was thinking in terms of years at most in Iron Man 1 and 2. (I.e. "Then this is a very important week for you.") The double-meaning of "spending the time you have left" and "trading your life for the lives of others" is all over Tony's journey. I wonder how well that idea works in other languages...
Yep, I came to the comments to check if anybody else had posted that yet. It's astounding to me how perfectly they pulled it off spread across so many different films, writers, directors, etc. ua-cam.com/video/3p_H2FxuOWs/v-deo.html
I love that Tony got to meet his father when he was becoming his father. He found out how scared he is of not being good when he had an abusive father. Tony realizes he did the best he could and thanks him. Each generation improved their fathering abilities and Tony was able to be a dad even though it was cut short by his sacrifice.
I don't think Howard was meant to be seen as abusive, just not there most of the time, and too harsh, because like Tony wants Peter to be better than him, Howard wants Tony to be better than him also.
Another point of growth I love about Tony is that he doesn't surprise Pepper this time. He comes out and tells her about inventing time travel before he makes any choices, and gives her the opportunity to say her piece. After destabilizing his own company, announcing his private home's address to terrorists on national television, going into space on a one-way trip TWICE, he has finally learned to consult his partner and the person he loves before he makes a major decision.
I just realized Pepper asked if he could rest when he was contemplating the idea of time travel, then at the end of everything she says "you can rest now" like she is good with the decision he made and everything happened. Like the guys said, Pepper gets him. 😢😭😿
This is a great idea. Especially because, if you watch the deleted scenes from the 1st and 3rd movies, Jack's backstory is actually MUCH more interesting than they've covered.
"My only curse is you" probably speaks to his trauma when confronting Thanos. The two have never met, but Tony's told that the attack on New York was him by Bruce. It's putting quite a real face on all of his fears, the same fears that led him to making Ultron in the first place (leading to the guilt in Civil War). He's been in danger before, but as said in the previous video the first time he's confronted death was due to Loki's army (gifted by Thanos). "Thanos has been inside my head for six years, since he sent an army to New York and now he's back! And I don't know what to do. So I'm not so sure if it's a better idea to fight him on our turf or his but you saw what they did, what they can do." He doesn't want to bring the fighting back to Earth, and although he's bringing his surrogate son into danger he thinks that with some strategy and extra firepower on his side, (thanks to a literal Wizard and the Guardians) they might be able to beat him. It actually goes quite well, up until Quill loses it. Then Tony proceeds to throw down with Thanos, giving it his all and pushing his armour to the limit only for "a drop of blood" His intelligence and his suits are only enough to make the looming personification of his fears and trauma bleed a little bit. He's shown to be powerless (common with trauma), and loses his surrogate son in the process. He even tells Cap that he can't fight Thanos in Endgame, all he can do is hide from him. Before the time skip I think it's genuinely him at his lowest point emotionally.
Everyone shits on Peter for his emotional breakdown, but if there's one timeline where they win, and did, then that breakdown was supposed to happen and needed to, to be on that timeline. What we don't see is the timeline where they do beat him there, but it still ultimately loses.
@@publicguy1664 emotional breakdowns are a requirement for all of us to grow. As we fall down to deepest depths of ourselves, if we decide to climb out of that pit, we become stronger wich each step we take from that moment on for life.
I actually teared up when pepper and tony fought side by side in the final battle scene. I thought it was a scene worth mentioning since it has always been a fear of his, that she won’t be there. for her to engage in this fight means a lot to him.
Something amazing I realized was, the first suit he built was solely to protect himself. The last one wasn't even capable of protecting him from the stones. The last suit he built was to protect the people he loved. And I consider that one of the most amazing characters growths in movie history.
I’m surprised y’all didn’t cover that instead of being a narcissist, Tony Stark could have had an avoidant attachment style, as in he avoided intimacy with others, but as the Avengers movies went on, he became more open and his attachment style got better. While he comes off as a narcissist, he had empathy and the ability try to make things right, an apologetic nature, so to me, that precludes him from being a true narcissist.
People can have multiple disorders at once. Remember that these disorders are ways in which psychologists and therapists categorize behavior. I can assure you, dependent on which therapist you'd visit, you could be diagnosed for a dozen different things because a lot of the behaviours associated with these disorders overlap.
I just had a thought, and others have probably had it before, Tony and Cap are typically referred to by those names. Tony is the man first, Iron Man second. Cap is the hero first, and Steve Rodger second. Part of that is probably the fact that Steve is a man out of time, while Tony's life is now. But it feels like this plays into their contrasts as foils for each other.
Yes. For me, whenever anyone mentions Iron Man, it's Tony that crosses my mind, but when there's a mention of Captain America, it's Steve in his costume wielding a shield that does.
I cried 4 time in Endgame. In no particular order: When Thor said goodbye to his mom, when Tony said goodbye to his dad, when Black Widow sacrificed herself, when Tony sacrificed himself
I knew to grab extra napkins. And then, knowing that I’d probably be weeping at some point, I grabbed some more. Then I paused. Thought about it a bit, grabbed a dozen more. No, not all for me; I just knew I’d be sitting next to someone who didn’t think ahead or thought they’d be able to take it. I ran out of tissues before the final battle even started! Lol
@@locomadman I will share a tip with you that my grandmother told me at 5yo... "always take a tote bag to the movies, hide your candy beneath a massive layer of the tissue packets they sell for your mommy's purse. That way they'll get annoyed and stop searching, and you'll always have a tissue if things get sad."
The part that gets me soooo hard every single time is when Tony is dying, and Pepper is holding back her own tears and telling a barely conscious Tony that, “we’re gonna be ok, you can rest now”.
Black Widows death was so painful for me. she was the first female character i saw that felt impowering and strong. She knew who she was and she was smart. She was such a role model for me. It hurt so much when she died.
I would absolutely love an episode for both Thanos and Loki! Thanos is such a twisted character because he actually believes he's doing the right thing for the universe even though his actions are blatantly evil, and Loki has sooo much character development - they could probably spend a couple episodes on Loki on his own, just going over his character growth and conversion.
I hate how they messed up WandaVision in its last few episodes by having Wanda realise what she did was wrong but not accept punishment for it and just being allowed to walk away. Yes the things that happened to her were horrible but that doesn't justify enslaving an entire town to force them to play along with her fantasy.
Yes, please do Loki, especially from Thor 1, where he learns his whole life is a lie and was raised to hate his own race, never mind Odin’s blatant favouritism! Tom Hiddleston and Anthony Hopkins were fantastic in the fight scene between Loki and Odin in the vault, the line “... because I am the monster parents tell their children about at night” is honestly heartbreaking. Tom Hiddleston conveys so much with just his eyes.
So glad u guys called out those people who criticize the MCU for those things. I've never actually heard anyone do that lol. Also I never realized how Steve and Tony's character arcs intersected in that manner in Civil War. Amazing analysis of the screenplay. Made me love the movie even more
Not only they crossed, but at the end of endgame, they both end the way the other wanted. Tony dies for the universe, like Cap wanted to die for his country Cap chose to stay with the woman he loved, like Tony wanted to die with Pepper.
I mean you can like what you want but "calling people out" who criticize these movies didn't go well here. There is legit criticism in these movies like shallow villians, shallow humor and really bad pacing. There are good to great story arcs in some movies and over multiple movies (Ironman 1 & 3 and Winter Soldier were really good and I really liked Age of Ultron) but there where some movies who I really didn't like even though they had really good concepts, like Doctor Strange or Thor 3 but whose execution really turned me off. The story and the dialogue in the MCU ranges from genius to terrible (the acting is almost always on point though) so I understand every person who doesn't want to sit through 20 movies since most of them have almost the exact same structure. Not liking these movies doesn't make you a movie snob. Maybe you just like different things in movies. I really didn't like the manner in which Alan portraied these people. Still love the channel.
@@flassadar Alan said, basically, "dislinking movies because they're popular is stupid". Popular movies are popular for a reason. Hell, even legitimately bad movies can be popular if they're entertaining level of bad. Yeah, the MCU has great things in it, and bad stuff too. But refusing to enjoy the good parts because you're a snob is kinda stupid.
@@flassadar the difference is, do you while disliking a film, put down those who don’t? I’ve met a number of people (my dad being one of them) who not only dislike the entire MCU because of its popularity, but criticize and mock the people who love it. “You just like those stupid brainless action flicks”. The number of times I’ve been talking to my mom or brothers about the MCU and my dad feels the need to chime in “you realize it’s just a movie, right? It’s not real. I swear you guys know more about some stupid fake superheroes than anything useful.” Alan isn’t calling out the people who dislike it for valid reasons or the genre just isn’t for them, he’s calling out the people who dislike it and are assholes about it. Moral of the story: let people enjoy things.
@@_monomorph_1411 Yeah I agree. This is a dick move. I personally dislike a lot of the MCU movies because I don't like the style of the dialogue and the cinematography but the themes and characters of the movie range mostly from good to great (like Starlords Dad issues or Ironmans PTSD, something I really enjoyed in Ironman 3). The way it is portrayed in the MCU movies just doesn't appeal to me and I dislike some of the characters (I like Benedict Cumberbatch but really dislike Dr. Strange, for me he is like magic Ironman from wish.com). Still you can enjoy these movies and these is not much stuff which is problematic in these movies. But the thing is that the way Alan communicated his message seemed to say that people who dislike the movies do so because they think better of themselves. That may not be the case and I doubt that Alan is someone who would do that. It just was poorly communicated. That's it.
One thing I find frustrating is everyone always *only* blames Tony for Ultron. Firstly Bruce is a willing participant, and secondly Tony points out in the movie that they were nowhere near getting to Ultron level AI. In fact, the spear itself (aka infinity stone) is sentient and the basis for Ultron. Ultron's only like Tony's creation because the "evil" version consumes Jarvis. Also, Tony only wants to do any of this due to Wanda's powers, yet no-one lays blame on her either.
The whole Pepper and Tony discussion about time travel and what was said on their relationship for it reminds me of a quote I heard somewhere. Can't remember where. It was something along the lines of love being accepting someone's flaws and loving them in spite of them, not making them change them. And that's what Pepper does. She tries changing him by making him ignore his sense of duty, but when she stops fighting him on it is when she realizes that its what makes him Tony Stark, part of what makes him the man she fell in love with. And around the same time, Tony stops putting that sense of duty before her and prioritizes what's important to him. As a result, she gets the knowledge that he cares about her and their family more than anything, and he gets her support in doing what he feels needs to be done.
Excellent episode guys. Would have loved it if you had pointed out that the only reason Tony agreed to do the time heist, is if they do not change the past, but bring everyone back in the present, thus protecting his family in the process.
The thing that's so traumatic about Parker being snapped to dust was that this was really Peter's first moment expressing this much vulnerability to the people he looked up to (the Avengers in general, Tony specifically). He spends so much time trying to come off as a responsible, fully matured hero to the Avengers, because he wants to be taken seriously. In the moments before he disappears, he can no longer hide the child-like fear inside of him. The scared little boy that just wanted to grow up "normal" wells to the surface, and he doesn't want to be here and he didn't ask for any of this and he just wants to be home with his Aunt and his friends. And what's worse, Tony literally can't do a single thing to stop it, as much as his fatherly instincts want to provide some kind of balm or solution. That's a parent's worst nightmare, seeing your child in abject suffering and being utterly helpless to stop it. I don't think the trauma of losing Peter like that ever left Tony, even after they got Peter back. Trauma like that lives on you, and likely stayed with Tony until his death, when he had to relive that same trauma a second time. There Peter was, free of danger, the fight was over and the day was won yet he was still in agonizing pain at the sight of Tony's sacrifice. And there was Tony, half braindead and unable to console his "adopted" son in any way. It was all for the greater good, and Tony knew Peter understood that all along, but I'm sure he would have wanted to hug Peter one last time if he could have in the end.
well damn this just made me tear up. Thank you very much. Unfortunately, it's very true. Also, Tony's breathing gets heavy, fast and uneven when Peter cried, as though Tony wanted to say something, do something to comfort Peter. Not being able to do that and just seeing Peter crying must've been heartbreaking. Tony needed to hear Pepper's "We're going to be okay. You can rest now." to really die in peace, so it was good Pepper pulled Peter away before he would completely break down. But you also really can't blame Peter at all, he was a 16 years old kid losing yet another father figure, he couldn't put on a mask (like Pepper) until Tony passed away. Though he did it in front of May when she died, so he learned. But it hurts so damn much, a kid his age shouldn't experience these things and have to put on a brave face.
I have been waiting for this episode. Yet at the same time, kind of terrified to dive into it. Bucky is in my top three favorite characters, so it could potentially be pretty hard to watch.
And I wish in Falcon and the Winter Soldier, they didn't dismiss it just to show how bad racism is. They mention how black people were enslaved and how traumatic it's been (which is true)... but I believe Bucky can sympathize with that, he was enslaved and killed so many people and that was traumatic. They could've merged that so well in the show and seeing him take the journey to healing
I'm a little surprised that there's so little talk about Tony's parental figures. The Tony we meet is interesting in hindsight when you wonder about what shaped him. We had a few hints of backstory that imply interesting childhood influences - dismissive/abusive/absentee parents, going to MIT young (15??), inheriting the responsibility of Stark Industries after his parents' death and walking right into Obie's manipulations at just 21 - hints at WHY his genius brain was so inwardly focused and blind to what was going on in the world around him until his own bomb fell on his own head. I've seen folks sum up Tony Stark as callously indifferent because he didn't "care to realize" what was going on in his own company, but... When Obadiah Stane betrays him in Iron Man 1, Tony had almost made it 40. That's almost 20 years of trust. When Yinsen talks about family, Stane is arguably the closest link to a father figure he had at that point. That loss of trust probably coloured in a lot of Tony's decision-making going forward as well, I feel. We also learned that Peggy Carter was his godmother, and that OG Jarvis and his wife Anna raised him with as much care and affection as they could, sure, but he didn't get to keep any of that either, did he. Tony's implied drive to make a family out of the Avengers is a bit sadder to me in that context. Especially because his efforts to build connections goes as sour as it did, again and again. It doesn't sit quite well with me how often they made Tony endure losses. It humanized him, sure, but wow did it hit heavy after a while.
Late, but here we go. Thank you so much for remembering Obi. Dear Lord, nobody seems to remember that Obi (!!!) was the warmonger who sold under the table, not Tony. There are so many people who seem to erase Obi's influence on Tony's life and the weapons he built and kind of mush both characters together. Everyone is totally ok with heroes being decked out to the nines (often by Tony Stark) with technology and weapons - but Tony is the devil incarnate for legally selling weapons to the USA and her allies. I think his point was that he couldn't trust his weapons to not be misappropriated, and that's why he stopped - and that nobody should have things like the Jericho on a grand scale. In Iron Man 1 they even said he was 17 (not 21) when his parents died - now imagine a maladjusted, too brilliant for his own good teenager under the influence of that monster - his godfather and someone he grew up with and trusted; and who had no interest in Tony being stable or self-sufficient because that would erode Obi's power base. Should Tony have known better? A seventeen years old teenager? Hardly. later, in his mid-twenties? Oh yes. Yep, he should have and he should be held accountable for his mistakes, he is an adult. But that should be tempered by him being conditioned to act a certain way. The two hosts here always say Tony thinks he is the smartest person in a room. They are right when it comes to brainiac stuff (and he is sometimes wrong) but people? No, he is horrible when it comes to beings not built out of bits and bytes. And he knows it and delegates. Interestingly enough he isn't the one who says that 'the best hands are our own."
One thing I think you guys should've mentioned with Peter's death is that he has his "Spidey sense" giving him knowledge of incoming danger. So he literally saw that his death was coming for him and he just had to live with that for the seconds he had. Poor kid
@@Darkstormsun9865 I feel like it could have been the intial motivation, I think the physically holding on was the superhuman strength part giving him just a little more, showing him really trying not to face the death he was sensing already
It always pained me because I felt like Tony tried and cared so much about the team but at the same time some part of him just couldn't fully trust them. I always wondered about that and wondered how do they treat Tony out of missions? Do they treat him as one of their own or is he just the rich guy who fixes their stuff? We never really see it but to me that makes the most sense as to why there was such a lack of communication. Also leads to why Cap didn't tell Tony about his parents. If he really took the time to know Tony, he would have known that him, a friend, telling him would have been so much better. It would have given Tony time to process the truth and I believe in the end he would have realized it wasn't really Bucky's fault and may have even helped Cap find and help him. I love how much we get from just small, sometimes unspoken moments. Don't get me wrong, I still love Cap, but I feel like he was a bit full of himself sometimes and never really learned compromise when it came to Tony. He, Cap, was always right and knew better. It took so much for him to realize that maybe Tony had a point too. And Tony just had a hard time getting what he wanted across effectively I feel. They are both stubborn and that can be a recipe for disaster sometimes.
Another thing to consider when it comes to Civil War: Tony's whole arc in the MCU is "I can't let people I don't trust have my tech." In Age of Ultron, everyone has very obvious Starktech upgrades; Cap has electromagnets to enhance his shield control, Black Widow has her suit with the Tron Lines and electroshock batons, Hawkeye has a new high-tech quiver, Hulk has new pants. Then a bunch of those people turn on him in Civil War. Tony's worst fear has just come true: people he trusted with his tech turned out not to be trustworthy, in his mind.
I absolutely can't wait for you to talk about Thor. The relationships he has with his family are so intense. I'm especially dying to hear your thoughts on his struggles after losing his brother.
The fact Tony went to Pepper and talked to her about him figuring out time travel is huge. It’s not even an argument or a debate, it’s a level-headed discussion where he’s not interested in showing off the fact he’s the smartest in the room or trying to convince someone he’s right and they should do what he suggests; he actually listens and is clearly prepared to not act if Pepper isn’t happy (though I think he secretly was hoping she’d talk him out of it). That’s pretty amazing growth and the way RDJ & GP play it is really natural. Their chemistry is great and a huge reason why they’re popular as a couple.
I love how Jonathan crunches popcorn casually as Alan disappears. Cool effect, bro. My favorite line out of this episode: "there's just confidence and the courage that comes from right action". Thank you guys.
Some people say that because of Peter’s spidersense, and because he was disintegrating slowly, his spidersense went off for the entire time. And spidersense is actually a painful feeling depending on the danger, so he felt pain in all 5 senses along with a 6th sense
I'm very cool with living in the mcu for a while with you guys. Loving the marvel commentary and loving learning about Iron Man's psychology as a character that made a big impact on me as a kid. Edit: eesh you had to show The Dusting and Tony's death. Now my heart hurts.
As an attorney, I can tell you it would be pretty straightforward for Tony to not be in jail. What are you going to convict him for? If he's not in jail for doing his Avenger work on his own dollar, he's not going to jail for Ultron. The most you could realistically aim for is involuntary manslaughter, and with how weird the alien tech is and Tony's expertise and the fact that he roped another respected scientist Bruce Banner to help him? Tony ain't doing jail with a competent lawyer.
My heart melted when Morgan said "I love you 3000" because, at her age, that was probably the biggest number she knew. But when Tony said it at his funeral, I went from nearly crying to BAWLING in the theater 😭😭😭
Thanks so much for covering this! If my husband was here, he would have loved this. Sadly, he never got to see Infinity War or Endgame as he passed away in May 2018. Tony Stark / Ironman was his absolute favourite character in the MCU. In Ironman 2, they briefly touched upon Tony's disease of alcoholism but it was covered more extensively in the graphic novels. I can understand why addiction was skirted as it would've been too close to the bone issue for RDJ. Having portrayed grief (with my own character) and then come face-to-face with it, it would have been life & art imitating itself, and you can't help but end up taking the character home, which isn't healthy.
This is why I love MCU movies, especially because I also like Psychology. They realize real human emotions though they are superheroes. And yes, the "film critics" part is kind of annoying sometimes.
I never liked superhero movies and I like just a few action movies ... but I can't stop with Marvel, it's just so good! It's about the characters and that's why it's just amazing
tony stark is the most incredible character who ever has and maybe ever will exist in cinematography if just because of the incredible way his story was told. His story was progressed in some way in every single film he appeared in. If you pay attention you can see a tangible, traceable, and intuitively fitting flow of character progression throughout the entire MCU franchise leading up to his death, and most of all I think we see that in his changed perspective of his father.
I didn't know Tom Holland had improvised that scene. Before I had read somewhere that Peter's spider sense would have warn him seconds before. Just makes me love tom Holland even more.
Are you going to touch on closure? The scenes with Tony getting to talk to his dad in the past, along with Thor talking to his mother, really gave me the feels. I think it would be a great subject to talk about.
how chilled Alan sat there and ate the popcorn while Jonathan vanished, gosh, I am scared of therapists for that reason Edit: Yes, I mixed up their names, I'm so sorry
„You can rest now.“ Not you guys though. I’m waiting for all of them to be discussed. And when you run out of heroes to discuss, there’s still Morgan, Pepper, Ultron, the reporter from the first iron man... Just keep living in the MCU!❤️😍
The mentorship between Tony and Peter was such a good thing, and it also hurt so much too. The parallels between those two were always so, so good. Homecoming, watching Peter learn how to be Spiderman, the parallels between Iron Man 1 and Homecoming were CHEFS KISS!!!
I remember watching Peter go in the theaters, as soon as Peter uttered "Mr. Stark.." I was gutted and screamed "God no!" in tears and bawled my eyes out as he's begging for his life "I don't wanna go" over and over and then he says "I'm sorry.." completely crushed me and broke my heart. That one really hurt, I've watched Infinity War dozens and dozens of times and I still tear up whenever I watch it happen.
Thank you for addressing PTSD. It is good to see PTSD reflected realistically in movies like this one. Although an individual who has been diagnosed with PTSD can learn to manage the symptoms and over time work to 'process' the original trauma, many years after one thinks they've overcome the PTSD one can experience sudden and surprising reactions, including panic attacks, that can take one by surprise long after one has thought the PTSD is "over" and dealt with.
@@karenhaller9988 See this is why, I don't get the people trying to guard actual Karen's from the Karen Jokes. When some actual Karen's are like "Got me."
@@katiearbuckle9017 because the name is not just used for this joke anymore. It's used for racists, anti-vaxxers and just all-round terrible women. I was fine (just rolled my eyes) when it was just used for "manager jokes" but the use is getting out of hand.
THIS is the kind of content I want to see on UA-cam. I love everything about this analysis as a huge Tony Stark fan. Can’t wait to see your Civil War videos!
Uff. I watched IronMan 3 while I had problems with panic attacks especially while in a movie theater (no way out, sitting still, no fun under panic, waste of money, time, blabla xD) ... It was heavy, but also helpful to see that this happens to people.
Oooo, yeah, theatres are bad. I always sit at the top of the stairs at the back, so I’m not in front of anyone but have a straight shot if I need to get out; I’m not so good with surround sound.
Same here. I don't know why but I know that the overwhelming smell of the food, especially the popcorn, just makes it the worst movie experience of my life. I barely was able to watch this Godzilla movie I was dragged to. When I'm really into a movie, like on the edge of my seat, I don't feel panicked anymore. I loved Iron Man 3 and binged watched it all the time and to this day.
MOVIE SUGGESTIONS • The Edge of Seventeen (it's about a lack of self-love) • Bridge to Terabithia (Alan will definitely cry!) • Spirit - Stallion of the Cimarron (this movie broke my heart in childhood but I love it anyway) • Finding Nemo • Split (about multiple personality) • Adrift • The Shack (even great for people who aren't religious, it's about forgiving) • Laggies (about being stuck in life) • Love, Simon
After all Tony went through… he finally got to rest. The trauma… the heartbreak… just everything he had to go through… he stayed strong even if he broke down sometimes, he stayed strong in the end. He got to rest, just not in a way that most ppl expected. 🕊
16:30 I love this scene so much. Having established how done he is with being everyone's savior, he still couldn't stop tinkering with the formula. Then when he figured it out, he was torn between his strong and perfectly legitimate urge to preserve what he had built and his compulsion to put it aside to do what had to be done. He is practically begging Pepper to give him a reason - ANY REASON - to disclaim that responsibility and concentrate on his family. But she doesn't. Because she knows what this means for literally everyone else. And she knows him too, that one thing core to his personality going all the way back to Movie Number One: There's no art opening, no charity, nothing to sign. There's the next mission, and nothing else... he shouldn't be alive... unless it was for a reason. He finally knows what he has to do. And he knows in his heart that it's right. :edit: 18:42 yes, that
"I don't wanna go" is actually a nod to Dr.Who. It's the last line David Tennant's Doctor says before he regenerates. And resinated just as strongly with fans. They say the lines completely differently obviously 2 different characters but saw in a interview that was a inspiration.
not exactly a "nod". Tom Holland has said in an interview that he says things to himself to make himself cry. This is what he said on that day, and it wasn't actually meant to be aloud.
@@eli-hk8tp a lot of Harry Potter is that way, really, it's kind of interesting just how much of it written to be interpreted in the reader's head more than a story about characters.
The moment Tony gave his life for the safety of the universe, and after 11 years of seeing each one of his films as they hit theatres, I sincerely felt like I had lost a friend. But I was so damn proud of him. ❤ Thank you for this analysis and for validating that the MCU is one of the most incredibly written character-driven narratives to be put to film! Love your work!
in terms of Civil War, I always felt like they both were right, and this vid put it into better context. I also think that Tony constantly saying "we need to be put in check" was more of him not wanting to be alone, or the avengers to break up because Tony is losing everything. I think he just wanted to not have to go at it alone. at the end of the day his biggest fear was just losing the people he cared about.
This is why Tony is hands down the best character in the MCU. He's allowed to be flawed just as much as he's allowed to be a hero. Look character analysis of recently added characters in the MCU, and you'll notice a distinct lack of personal flaws.
"Fun is not something one considers when balancing their emotions. But this... does put a smile on my face." -- Thanos when he realizes the overwhelming absurd amount of emotion in his plan
Oh god. Tony's funeral. Look, I saw that scene in theater's with my Mum, and she said that I was crying so hard and so loudly that you would have thought I was watching my own father's funeral. I genuinely have no idea how loud I was, but I know there was not a dry eye in the theater.
"but would you be able to rest?" / "you can rest now" 😭😭😭
😭😭😭
I loved both those lines, but until now I never noticed they complete one another ❤
I ugly cried in the theater when I hears Pepper say "you can rest now." He *is* the smartest person in the room and he has been essentially killing himself to keep everyone safe.
*CRIES FOREVER*
I never made the connection 😭 I'm in tears.
Fun Fact: Peter's suit voice, Karen, is voiced by Jennifer Connelly. Paul Bettany (JARVIS/Vision) is her husband.
Ooh thats cool
my favorite fact
It's more fun when you realize Connelly was Betty, Bruce Banner's girlfriend... until it was Liv Tyler.
NO WAY 🤯
I never knew they were married! How cool
“We’re gonna live in the MCU for a while guys” ITS ALL I EVER WANTED
That’s the dream.
I am SO reading this in the voice of Viserys Targaryen! Great, and now I want an Episode on each character from GoT...
Best news ever!
I would love to live in the MCU with these guys for awhile
@@sionalarsen it would literally be my comfort series while waiting for Loki
the way they didn't romanticize tony's death. he didn't die smiling, he couldn't say goodbye to anyone. he was dying, barely conscious. it wasn't glorious, it was ugly, cold and sad, but that's why he's a hero. the reward wasn't for him.
And RDJ came up with it. He decided the most powerful thing Tony could say at the moment of his death, was nothing. The Russos ran with it and it was perfect.
It's also in line with how Tony acted in the previous films. As cocky and arrogant he was, his big sacrifices were always the kind of where he took the weight of the responsibility even when it would make him a bad guy in the eyes of others. He never expected recognition at those times. At least that's how I see it. Not for a reward but just because someone has to do it.
He could barely croak out “hey pep” as he was dying it was awful, but that’s why it’s so good
While I think your right about that I hate that Not a single person cried at his funeral.
@@ace_ofchaos9292 Harley did
I loved seeing Tony as a father. My favorite line is when he says "Go to sleep or I'll sell all your toys."
Little kids aren't great at knowing when you're just kidding, but she just must be so used to Daddy being silly like that because she giggles and goes to sleep.
Yup, I tell my nephews and niece that I will eat them and they laugh. Even kids can pick up when you are kidding based on how you say it. I can change the expression and tone of my voice and in a millisecond they would know I am serious. Kids are smart. My niece that I meet rarely didn't get it but slowly she understood too.
Yeah don't do what my mom did and actually bring in a trash bag to teach me a lesson, she never taught me how to clean up but threw away a bunch of my stuff when I was 7 because I didn't clean up after myself, now I can't trust anyone touching my stuff even when it would make my life easier
@@CosyKitty this omg, this. i have such a huge problem letting people near my things cause my parents would just take them from me and either it would disappear, get unintentionally destroyed or thrown in the trash.
Kids are remarkably fast learners. My niece thought i was a jerk because i talked to her (mostly) like i talk to everyone else. After she caught on to my humor, i became her favorite and now shes just as if not more lethal with her quips than i am with her only being 10yo 😂
That line reminds me of Iron Man 2008, where he says to the robot arm "if you spray me again when I'm not on fire, I'm donating you to a city college."
You guys would have an absolute BLAST looking at Prince Zuko’s character
I read too fast and saw ''Zemo'' but Zuko... That's rough, buddy.
I think Azula would be even better.
@@lauramarschmallow2922 why can’t we have both?
If you do, would you agree with hello future me?
@@lauramarschmallow2922 Heck, almost any Atla character would be a great study
Someone wisely pointed out that what the MCU gets so right is they realize that superhero isn't a genre, it's a setting.
Oooh that's a good one!
Bing-pot!
This is why the DC movies aren't as successful IMO, they try to focus on the superhero aspect, and forget the storytelling aspect.
I like this idea. It opens up a lot of doors for the MCU, especially with the recent shows they've done. WandaVision was the closest thing we're going to get to an MCU sitcom, and FATWS uses a lot of buddy cop tropes. Guardians of the Galaxy is a comedy/space Western. CATFA was a war movie, and CATWS was an action movie with thriller and spy elements. Spider-Man Homecoming was a teen flick, Black Widow looks like it's going to be a spy thriller. The possibilities are endless. What if we get an MCU romcom? Or a horror movie (venom, anyone??)? Hire Rian Johnson and make an MCU murder mystery. I'm here for all of it!
EDIT: Also Doctor Strange as urban fantasy, Black Panther when you boil it down to its narrative parts is like a royal/aristocratic usurpation drama, Ant-Man is a heist film, etc.
The comics are that way too
I honestly believe Tony told pepper about time travel because he wanted her to talk him out of it. I love that she doesn't, and tells him that he wont be ok if he doesn't try.❤️
I believe that too primarily because when I have moments like the scene, I talk to my bff or my mom. Mostly because I want to be told the opposite of my thoughts.
The only reason he kicked around the idea at all is a combo of two reasons: A) Cap brought it to him in the first place (he firmly believed it couldn’t be done); B) he saw the keeper of the time stone fall without using it once during the actual fight with the Mad Titan...
I’d call him crunching the numbers to make sure they didn’t unmake the universe by accident, but he knew they were close because Cap himself wouldn’t have come in person.
If he ever really wanted any chance at being talked out of it, it’d have been immediately after Cap & crew left.
yeah word, I think he wanted to be talked out of it but she knows him so well that he wouldn't be okay if he didn't try to save everyone "you can save everyone" is a big thing for heroes but they always have the need to try
@@katyanarodriguez711 it’s a bit more than that. He. Almost didn’t want the knowledge to exist. Like, sweet it under the rug, cover it up some more, and then bury all that so deep even archeologists wouldn’t be able to find it after. 140 million futures and 1 (only one) actually worked, and that doesn’t speak volumes to you?
Okay, try it like this; classic, old school Dr. Strange (from the comics) with the time stone should have absolutely destroyed Thanos with only 4 of the stones in his possession (so long as one of those stones aren’t the mind stone). Why?
Because Dr. Strange’s power are granted to him by Gods. Not “gods” (little “g”, like Odin), but actually Gods. The Old Gods, the ones that predate the concept of ancient, ya know?
That, and the power to control time is broken; it’s a terrible burden. Would anyone be okay with having to allow Holocaust happen?
I’m telling you, Tony didn’t want to be talked out of it. He went Pepper like she was his mother, he just had a bad dream, and wanted to be hugged, patted on the head, and be told it wasn’t real & everything would be okay.
But I’ll give you some credit. She knew not only he doing, she figured out even without Tony, the others were still going to try & potentially (read: probably) mess things up worse.
Agreed. Tony's finally a husband, a father, safe, somewhat happy in all fragility - after years of fear and devastation. I love this conversation the most because they're each thinking, hesitating, formulating, before they speak. Despite her personal fears Pepper seeks out the words he needs to hear. Not her husband, but the hero.
That “I don’t wanna go” is so gut wrenching. It destroys me every time. Tom Holland did an amazing job.
I know it's memed upon a lot for good reason, but it's still a crushing scene with fantastic acting
I admit I was bawling my eyes out with that scene, but Pepper's "you can rest now" is even more... gut wrenching for me
imagine ur beeing spider man, and your spider sense just goes off out of nowhere stronger than ever before you know in every fiber of your body that you are about to die but dont know how or why. that must be the scariest few seconds of his life.
It a actually made me really mad. It felt like the writers put in a cheap, emotional stab (or whatever you call it).
@@carmenespinosa6423didn't they said it was Tom's suggestion/improvise tho and not the writers? o.o if it is mad that the writers went ahead with it than whatever they had then that's understandable. OwO
What also really got me with Tony’s death is the way he says “and I am iron man”
His breathing starts getting fast during the “and i... am..” as if he knows what’s coming and he’s terrified but then he takes a pause and he calms down to say “iron man” as if he accepts and knows he’s going to die. Pauses to take everything in for one more second. Snaps. Then dies 😭😭😭😭😭
U guys have me wanting to rewatch the whole series for the 4th timeee
I'm on my 7th run... not just endgame... but EVERY movie starting from the Incredible Hulk
@@dominoslays4286 If done that once so far (some of the new ones excluded.)
@@dominoslays4286iron man is before incredible hulk
Also it's a testament to his strength of will that as the Stones ravage his body by unloading their power into him all at once he manages to hold it back enough not just to focus on what he needs to do but to get off that final badarse boast.
@@MLaak86 I really like the theory that the reason he's able to do that, is because he's *so* goddamned battered and broken from all the shit he's gone through (how many times has he broken that arm??) and has such chronic pain issues that he's *used* to pushing through horrific pain and getting the job done, whereas beings like Thanos and Hulk barely feel physical pain in their lives, hence it's so hard for them to deal with the Stones.
*Cinema Therapy gets to the "Mr. Stark, I don't feel so good" scene*
Alan: "You *had* to show that one..."
Johnathan: "I think he *killed* it."
Alan: *soul-deep sighing*
I didn’t feel this one when I saw it because I felt like it was overdone. Gamora did though
Omg I was crying when I saw Infinity War in theatre. I kept repeating "He's just a baby. Leave him alone." Over and over while crying during that scene
@@NightmareVixen12art Yeah Gamora really got me, and then again when Black Widow sacrificed herself.
Also, Hollands performance was inspired by David Tennant's Doctor Who's last scene.
On one hand I can acknowledge that it didn't *have* to be drawn out... on the other, Tom Holland acted the HELL out of that scene and I can and will cry every time I watch it
I didnt realise pepper's "you can rest now" was a continuation of their discussion and it hurts...
Oh shit omg that hit different omgah!!!! 😭😭😭
That entire death scene was improvised. It was just RDJ, Holland, Paltrow, the directors and a skeleton crew to keep it as much a secret as possible. But that was the creative genius of Gwyneth Paltrow.
@@brandonbuchner1771 too bad her genius checks its hat at the door there and immediately starts shoving rocks in its vagina for "health benefits"
I missed that, nice catch.
@@AudioArcturia doing keagles with rocks is fine. its her scams that are shitty. saying rocks are "healing" is bullshit. its the keagles you do with *smoothed, body-safe* stones that can be healthy. but yeah, her entire goop brand is just a scam.
I don't know if this has been talked about, but I love how the AI Tony built for himself is full of snark and helpful criticism, because even from the beginning, I think a part of Tony knew that he needed to be challenged, top be called to task. But for Peter, he makes this absolutely supportive and nurturing mother (or maybe big sister) like AI.
Which is odd
It reflected to Ultron as well, who ended up being a darker and more driven reflection of Tony
Yeah! Since Peter responses well to love and positive reinforcement having Jarvis or someone snarky would put him down. Whenever Peter started to doubt himself Karen was there to reassure him, which in a way might of been a way Tony was communicating to him, ya know what I mean?
@@danielhart7435 For comic book, super quippy, and banter-heavy Spider-Man, you are absolutely right. For young, inexperienced MCU Spider-Man, it fits.
@@MasterPoppers nah even the comic book one wasn't "Cocaine fueled" enough for one of his allies to always be putting him down.
Tony's last moments, when Pepper kneels with him, and she's SMILING when she says, "We're gonna be ok. You can rest now." And Tony just lets go, like he was holding on to hear that, and then Pepper instantly breaks down....It breaks my heart every time. She was his rock. His safe place. She does the hardest thing she's ever done in her life and doesn't show her grief to her dying husband, so he can pass with peace, knowing his family will be ok. It shows how well they know each other, and how deeply they love. I don't think I'll ever be able to watch that scene without crying. I'm literally crying right now, and it was just a clip out of context.
I WAS barely holding back the tears after just finishing this video, but reading your on-point dissection of that brief moment got me crying.
What I love about "I love you 3000" is that it shows how smart Tony's kid is. Tony says "I love you tons"...a ton is 2000 lbs. And the kid says "I love YOU 3000". Which is bigger than a ton. And how many 5 year old kids know that?? Plus it's also just the kind of adorable thing that kids that age say.
This is something Robert Downey Jr apparently had a thing between him and his own kids and brought it into the movie.
Oh my god
No. Just knowing that doesn't make her smart. It's easy to know facts, that just requires you have someone who tells you them. What's smart is knowing the fact well enough that you can see how it can be applied, that you learn how to think about the world in a way that facts become useful.
Knowing the fact doesn't make her smart. Knowing that she can use it does.
Except that Tony said "tons" which would be at least 4,000, so apparently she's dumb by that logic, lmao
Well, she still got doo-dood on because he said "tons" which is more than 1.
Alan: We’re gonna just live in the MCU for a while guys, hope you enjoy it here
Me: *Thor voice* YEEEEEEEES!
This, I like it. ANOTHER!
@@kayisfish ah, you got to it before me lol
@@superfansophie lol shared credit lol
@@kayisfish “I understood that reference.”
WELL SOMEONE HAD TOO
I very much heard this comment
The best thing about iron man MCU story is that he went from an narcissistic selfish man to a hero who sacrificed himself to save the universe.
Take that mr "Not one to make the sacrifice play"
Counter: The best thing is watching the narcissistic man turn into a hero who sacrificed himself to save the universe, and the man who kept sacrificing himself and his happiness learn to be selfish and live a life.
@@TwilitFall I wouldn’t call it selfish, I’d call it self-care. Otherwise, totally!!
we literally went from self-centered to self-less
@@dragon9261 Not exactly though, Tony doesn't give his life for the universe he gives his life for his family. He is willing to die, without any chance of getting out, even having stared down that road once before because the alternative is his daughter potentially dying. Tony find something worth dying for, at the end of the day, cap is wrong. Sometimes you have to trade lives and Tony trades his for Pepper and Morgan without a moment's hesitation.
I’m gettin prepared to cry with Alan, I know it’s coming. Crying with Alan part 17.
Edit: it has happened.....we’re doing great
Can't wait for the incoming wave of "reaction videos" named Cry with Alan :P
Sometimes I’m fine until I hear Alan trying to talk whilst crying and it completely sets me off
I was talking a walk outside listening to part one, and it happened. We're goin' great!!
Crying with Alan has become a regular thing and it’s good
Not me, I sobbed during the Spidey scene and of course Iron Man's passing :( I can't take it.
God the thing that gets me about Tony’s death is his staggered breathing and that he’s trying so hard to hold on to be there for his family but then pepper tells him that she and Morgan are going to be fine and he can let go
Tony isn't in prison due to Ultron from 2 different perspectives:
1) he is basically Ultron's father, the creator of sentient life that then went on to kill, or
2) an arms manufacturer who made a weapon.
Along the first part, you don't imprison the parents of the mass murderer, just the murderer.
If it is the second, you don't punish the arms manufacturer for the people killed using their weapon, you punish the one using said weapon, and in this case the weapon and the user happen to be the same thing.
In both instances blame could be placed on tony morally, but not legally. He is morally responsible for those who died, but he wasn't the one who killed them, so not he is not at legal fault.
Well considering their apparent political views, they probably want gun manufacturers in prison too, lol.
let’s not also forget that Tony is not the only one who made Ultron. Wanda and Bruce played a role there.
@@handtomouth4690 I was wondering the same thing. LoL
I think it probs has something to do w product liability concerns or something like that. Like, weapons are made and sold to hurt people so the government can’t exactly put a person in prison if they’re a licensed weapons manufacturer who makes products that do what they’re supposed to. Ultron was, for one thing, unlicensed with no legal “hey can I do this”, and for another was intended to protect people and instead killed people. Tony made a defective product without consideration of harmful consequences or appropriate safety measures. So, he’s liable for the damage that his defective invention causes.
@@handtomouth4690 i know this is a 9 month old comment but drop the fuckin strawman, no one believes that except for the extremists (who btw are a minority to the point that they might not even exist)
What’s a weepier scene than Peter’s Snap Death? The hug Tony gives him when he returns in Endgame.
Yes but those are happy tears. For me though it’s Tony’s breakdown when he sees Cap again and says you weren’t there. That one gets me every damn time.😢
Especially after reflecting on the hug in Homecoming: "It's not.. It's not a hug, just getting the door for yah. We're not there yet."
That too is a such a special moment ^_^
@@ThoroughbredofSin fun fact that scene in homecoming was improvised
Don't disagree, but the scene that got me crying was when Happy was talking to his daughter on the porch and she says she wanted a cheeseburger. I bawled. lol
I would posit that another reason Tony trusts Banner with an open look at his strategy is that Banner is the only other Avenger who actively displays the kind of remorse Tony feels for some of his actions. He can meet him both intellectually and emotionally.
And there was that post-credits scene where Tony is trying to open up and emotionally dump on Bruce, but Bruce has to remind him that he is "not that kind of doctor". I can't remember which movie this was in... maybe Ragnarok?
@@Jeridiculous Iron Man 3
@@rimurutempest4945 The timing of this reply is too much for my brain. I'm watching Reincarnated as a Slime right now. Rimuru is literally on my screen at this very moment. I am shaken to my core
@@Jeridiculous Tony and Bruce help each other with each other's PTSD
We know Bruce feels remorse and guilt due to what he does as the hulk even though he never killed anyone intentionally he's caused lots of damage only Bruce internalizes and represses this openly whereas Tony externalizes it and is Open about it to Bruce (hence him telling Bruce to see his "hulk" as a gift because he sees them both as men with the brains and brawn to fix the world)
@@Jeridiculous Amazing coincidence and even greater anime
It's so impressive to watch the subtletly of RDJ's performance right before he snaps. All just in his expressions. The surprise when the power of the stones begins surging through his armor. You can see it register on his face just how powerful the stones are and his eyes snap over to Thanos like he's realizing something new. Then, the quick succession of anger (this amount of energy being discharged is going to kill me, why do I have to do this), sadness (I got my second chance, I don't want to die), and acceptance (it's the only way). And he snaps.
Exactly!
I've worked with welders that have to track 5 or 6 things at once
Painters that that track hundreds of parts to perfection
I can't imagine how much practice and focus it takes to bring so much to every second of every gesture like some actors do
Is anybody ever going to talk about how Dr. Strange scripted Iron Man to die? Is this ever going to get properly addressed?
Thank you, beautifully analysed
@@wesleywallace4426 that erm.. assuming the future was seen that far out
I held it together with Tony Stark's death until Pepper said "We're gonna be ok". That statement broke me. All a person wants in the end is to take care of those closest to them. I could just feel that weight and I started bawling. :(
Ugh me too. And that last scene. Oof.
Tom Holland's line of "I don't wanna go" always reminds me of Doctor Who's 10th Doctor who had a similar 'death' scene.
It's always quite crushing to see the one who spends his time saving others begging for their own life, and being denied
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"He's fine until WANDA puts that VISION in his head" 😂
Lol
🤣🤣🤣
Well played sir. You are my HERO
To elaborate
That vision is why he ends up making ng VISION.
I think lessons from the screenplay talked about how tony and Steve’s characters arcs were complete when one lived the life they never got the chance to, and the other gave their life up. I thought that was so powerful
I get choked up every time I think about Yinson's last words to Tony "Don't waste your life, Stark. Don't waste it."
When Tony and Cap have their measuring contest on the helicarrier in Avengers, I don't think Tony understood what Yinson was saying.
Part of Tony's arc was rebelling against consequences - including his own mortality. Between the shrapnel and the palladium poisoning, Tony was thinking in terms of years at most in Iron Man 1 and 2. (I.e. "Then this is a very important week for you.")
The double-meaning of "spending the time you have left" and "trading your life for the lives of others" is all over Tony's journey.
I wonder how well that idea works in other languages...
Yep, I came to the comments to check if anybody else had posted that yet. It's astounding to me how perfectly they pulled it off spread across so many different films, writers, directors, etc. ua-cam.com/video/3p_H2FxuOWs/v-deo.html
10:21 Not to mention Spidey's spider sense was probably going crazy which makes him extra scared of the inevitable.
Tom Holland got asked about that in an interview and he was like "Oh, uh... Yeah, uh-huh, that's totally what I was going for, yup" 😂😅
@@miguelfreitas5343 Either way it does make sense.
@@zhongxina8426 you're not wrong :p that's the reason why so many people thought that was the case xD
Yes this. It wasn't his superhuman strength allowing him to hold on, but his spidersense warning him earlier than usual :(
@@umairbutt1355 also his fast healing trying to heal him as he's getting disintegrated. that's why he's also in pain
I love that Tony got to meet his father when he was becoming his father. He found out how scared he is of not being good when he had an abusive father. Tony realizes he did the best he could and thanks him. Each generation improved their fathering abilities and Tony was able to be a dad even though it was cut short by his sacrifice.
I don't think Howard was meant to be seen as abusive, just not there most of the time, and too harsh, because like Tony wants Peter to be better than him, Howard wants Tony to be better than him also.
Another point of growth I love about Tony is that he doesn't surprise Pepper this time. He comes out and tells her about inventing time travel before he makes any choices, and gives her the opportunity to say her piece. After destabilizing his own company, announcing his private home's address to terrorists on national television, going into space on a one-way trip TWICE, he has finally learned to consult his partner and the person he loves before he makes a major decision.
I just realized Pepper asked if he could rest when he was contemplating the idea of time travel, then at the end of everything she says "you can rest now" like she is good with the decision he made and everything happened. Like the guys said, Pepper gets him. 😢😭😿
6:56 Jonathan: Smashy smash punchy punchy
-proceeds to show Iron man punching Hulk.
Thank you for all who worked on this episode
I would love to see the psychology of Jack Sparrow
Ooh, great suggestion!
Yesssss. I love Jack Sparrow!!!
Omg yes!!!!
Honestly, any of Johnny Depp's characters. I'd love Hatter as well.
This is a great idea. Especially because, if you watch the deleted scenes from the 1st and 3rd movies, Jack's backstory is actually MUCH more interesting than they've covered.
"My only curse is you" probably speaks to his trauma when confronting Thanos. The two have never met, but Tony's told that the attack on New York was him by Bruce. It's putting quite a real face on all of his fears, the same fears that led him to making Ultron in the first place (leading to the guilt in Civil War). He's been in danger before, but as said in the previous video the first time he's confronted death was due to Loki's army (gifted by Thanos).
"Thanos has been inside my head for six years, since he sent an army to New York and now he's back! And I don't know what to do. So I'm not so sure if it's a better idea to fight him on our turf or his but you saw what they did, what they can do."
He doesn't want to bring the fighting back to Earth, and although he's bringing his surrogate son into danger he thinks that with some strategy and extra firepower on his side, (thanks to a literal Wizard and the Guardians) they might be able to beat him. It actually goes quite well, up until Quill loses it. Then Tony proceeds to throw down with Thanos, giving it his all and pushing his armour to the limit only for "a drop of blood"
His intelligence and his suits are only enough to make the looming personification of his fears and trauma bleed a little bit. He's shown to be powerless (common with trauma), and loses his surrogate son in the process. He even tells Cap that he can't fight Thanos in Endgame, all he can do is hide from him. Before the time skip I think it's genuinely him at his lowest point emotionally.
Everyone shits on Peter for his emotional breakdown, but if there's one timeline where they win, and did, then that breakdown was supposed to happen and needed to, to be on that timeline. What we don't see is the timeline where they do beat him there, but it still ultimately loses.
@@publicguy1664 emotional breakdowns are a requirement for all of us to grow. As we fall down to deepest depths of ourselves, if we decide to climb out of that pit, we become stronger wich each step we take from that moment on for life.
I actually teared up when pepper and tony fought side by side in the final battle scene. I thought it was a scene worth mentioning since it has always been a fear of his, that she won’t be there. for her to engage in this fight means a lot to him.
I didn’t cry at the Peter Parker and Tony scene, I didn’t. No, no, there was just dust in my eyes.🙂
Was It Peter?
Jesus i'm Sorry for this joke
Peter Dust?
@@LostWhits yes (this joke Is so bad)
@@thecrazygooseofyourdreams4785 I also thought of that when writing this. 🙂 Did you have to say it out loud? 😂
Something amazing I realized was, the first suit he built was solely to protect himself. The last one wasn't even capable of protecting him from the stones. The last suit he built was to protect the people he loved. And I consider that one of the most amazing characters growths in movie history.
9:38 - 9:40
This scene always breaks my heart, but just the fact that Tom/Peter Parker whispers, "I'm sorry" truly does it for me.
Its like he realises what hes done to Tony in the last seconds....and just makes it worse lmao
I’m surprised y’all didn’t cover that instead of being a narcissist, Tony Stark could have had an avoidant attachment style, as in he avoided intimacy with others, but as the Avengers movies went on, he became more open and his attachment style got better. While he comes off as a narcissist, he had empathy and the ability try to make things right, an apologetic nature, so to me, that precludes him from being a true narcissist.
I personally believe narcissist is a vastly overused turn.
@@matthewtartt9422 same!
I often portray myself as a narcissist because I'd rather people hate the person I'm not than the person I am
@@felixlara2945 that’s kind of sad
People can have multiple disorders at once. Remember that these disorders are ways in which psychologists and therapists categorize behavior. I can assure you, dependent on which therapist you'd visit, you could be diagnosed for a dozen different things because a lot of the behaviours associated with these disorders overlap.
I just had a thought, and others have probably had it before, Tony and Cap are typically referred to by those names. Tony is the man first, Iron Man second. Cap is the hero first, and Steve Rodger second. Part of that is probably the fact that Steve is a man out of time, while Tony's life is now. But it feels like this plays into their contrasts as foils for each other.
Yes. For me, whenever anyone mentions Iron Man, it's Tony that crosses my mind, but when there's a mention of Captain America, it's Steve in his costume wielding a shield that does.
I cried 4 time in Endgame. In no particular order: When Thor said goodbye to his mom, when Tony said goodbye to his dad, when Black Widow sacrificed herself, when Tony sacrificed himself
I knew to grab extra napkins. And then, knowing that I’d probably be weeping at some point, I grabbed some more.
Then I paused. Thought about it a bit, grabbed a dozen more.
No, not all for me; I just knew I’d be sitting next to someone who didn’t think ahead or thought they’d be able to take it.
I ran out of tissues before the final battle even started! Lol
@@locomadman I will share a tip with you that my grandmother told me at 5yo... "always take a tote bag to the movies, hide your candy beneath a massive layer of the tissue packets they sell for your mommy's purse. That way they'll get annoyed and stop searching, and you'll always have a tissue if things get sad."
The part that gets me soooo hard every single time is when Tony is dying, and Pepper is holding back her own tears and telling a barely conscious Tony that, “we’re gonna be ok, you can rest now”.
Black Widows death was so painful for me. she was the first female character i saw that felt impowering and strong. She knew who she was and she was smart. She was such a role model for me. It hurt so much when she died.
@@mckennawhitney4825 yeah that was a rough one. There are many other strong well written female characters out there though you know?
Bucky, Wanda, Cap, Loki, Thanos, and Zemo could really all use Cinema Therapy videos
Except that Thanos needs criminal profiling like from criminal psychologists.
I would absolutely love an episode for both Thanos and Loki! Thanos is such a twisted character because he actually believes he's doing the right thing for the universe even though his actions are blatantly evil, and Loki has sooo much character development - they could probably spend a couple episodes on Loki on his own, just going over his character growth and conversion.
I hate how they messed up WandaVision in its last few episodes by having Wanda realise what she did was wrong but not accept punishment for it and just being allowed to walk away. Yes the things that happened to her were horrible but that doesn't justify enslaving an entire town to force them to play along with her fantasy.
Yeah, thanos is a big one. He thinks he is right. Kinda the whole "for the greater good" mindset. And that makes things so difficult
Yes, please do Loki, especially from Thor 1, where he learns his whole life is a lie and was raised to hate his own race, never mind Odin’s blatant favouritism! Tom Hiddleston and Anthony Hopkins were fantastic in the fight scene between Loki and Odin in the vault, the line “... because I am the monster parents tell their children about at night” is honestly heartbreaking. Tom Hiddleston conveys so much with just his eyes.
So glad u guys called out those people who criticize the MCU for those things. I've never actually heard anyone do that lol. Also I never realized how Steve and Tony's character arcs intersected in that manner in Civil War. Amazing analysis of the screenplay. Made me love the movie even more
Not only they crossed, but at the end of endgame, they both end the way the other wanted.
Tony dies for the universe, like Cap wanted to die for his country
Cap chose to stay with the woman he loved, like Tony wanted to die with Pepper.
I mean you can like what you want but "calling people out" who criticize these movies didn't go well here. There is legit criticism in these movies like shallow villians, shallow humor and really bad pacing. There are good to great story arcs in some movies and over multiple movies (Ironman 1 & 3 and Winter Soldier were really good and I really liked Age of Ultron) but there where some movies who I really didn't like even though they had really good concepts, like Doctor Strange or Thor 3 but whose execution really turned me off. The story and the dialogue in the MCU ranges from genius to terrible (the acting is almost always on point though) so I understand every person who doesn't want to sit through 20 movies since most of them have almost the exact same structure. Not liking these movies doesn't make you a movie snob. Maybe you just like different things in movies. I really didn't like the manner in which Alan portraied these people. Still love the channel.
@@flassadar Alan said, basically, "dislinking movies because they're popular is stupid".
Popular movies are popular for a reason. Hell, even legitimately bad movies can be popular if they're entertaining level of bad.
Yeah, the MCU has great things in it, and bad stuff too. But refusing to enjoy the good parts because you're a snob is kinda stupid.
@@flassadar the difference is, do you while disliking a film, put down those who don’t? I’ve met a number of people (my dad being one of them) who not only dislike the entire MCU because of its popularity, but criticize and mock the people who love it. “You just like those stupid brainless action flicks”. The number of times I’ve been talking to my mom or brothers about the MCU and my dad feels the need to chime in “you realize it’s just a movie, right? It’s not real. I swear you guys know more about some stupid fake superheroes than anything useful.” Alan isn’t calling out the people who dislike it for valid reasons or the genre just isn’t for them, he’s calling out the people who dislike it and are assholes about it. Moral of the story: let people enjoy things.
@@_monomorph_1411 Yeah I agree. This is a dick move. I personally dislike a lot of the MCU movies because I don't like the style of the dialogue and the cinematography but the themes and characters of the movie range mostly from good to great (like Starlords Dad issues or Ironmans PTSD, something I really enjoyed in Ironman 3). The way it is portrayed in the MCU movies just doesn't appeal to me and I dislike some of the characters (I like Benedict Cumberbatch but really dislike Dr. Strange, for me he is like magic Ironman from wish.com). Still you can enjoy these movies and these is not much stuff which is problematic in these movies. But the thing is that the way Alan communicated his message seemed to say that people who dislike the movies do so because they think better of themselves. That may not be the case and I doubt that Alan is someone who would do that. It just was poorly communicated. That's it.
One thing I find frustrating is everyone always *only* blames Tony for Ultron. Firstly Bruce is a willing participant, and secondly Tony points out in the movie that they were nowhere near getting to Ultron level AI. In fact, the spear itself (aka infinity stone) is sentient and the basis for Ultron. Ultron's only like Tony's creation because the "evil" version consumes Jarvis.
Also, Tony only wants to do any of this due to Wanda's powers, yet no-one lays blame on her either.
The whole Pepper and Tony discussion about time travel and what was said on their relationship for it reminds me of a quote I heard somewhere. Can't remember where. It was something along the lines of love being accepting someone's flaws and loving them in spite of them, not making them change them. And that's what Pepper does. She tries changing him by making him ignore his sense of duty, but when she stops fighting him on it is when she realizes that its what makes him Tony Stark, part of what makes him the man she fell in love with. And around the same time, Tony stops putting that sense of duty before her and prioritizes what's important to him. As a result, she gets the knowledge that he cares about her and their family more than anything, and he gets her support in doing what he feels needs to be done.
I love watching Alan geek out about cinematography and screenwriting
Excellent episode guys.
Would have loved it if you had pointed out that the only reason Tony agreed to do the time heist, is if they do not change the past, but bring everyone back in the present, thus protecting his family in the process.
the Mr Stark I dont feel so good is the hardest I have cried in a cinema since Dobby's death in Deathly hallows, it was BRUTAL
The thing that's so traumatic about Parker being snapped to dust was that this was really Peter's first moment expressing this much vulnerability to the people he looked up to (the Avengers in general, Tony specifically). He spends so much time trying to come off as a responsible, fully matured hero to the Avengers, because he wants to be taken seriously. In the moments before he disappears, he can no longer hide the child-like fear inside of him. The scared little boy that just wanted to grow up "normal" wells to the surface, and he doesn't want to be here and he didn't ask for any of this and he just wants to be home with his Aunt and his friends.
And what's worse, Tony literally can't do a single thing to stop it, as much as his fatherly instincts want to provide some kind of balm or solution. That's a parent's worst nightmare, seeing your child in abject suffering and being utterly helpless to stop it. I don't think the trauma of losing Peter like that ever left Tony, even after they got Peter back. Trauma like that lives on you, and likely stayed with Tony until his death, when he had to relive that same trauma a second time. There Peter was, free of danger, the fight was over and the day was won yet he was still in agonizing pain at the sight of Tony's sacrifice. And there was Tony, half braindead and unable to console his "adopted" son in any way. It was all for the greater good, and Tony knew Peter understood that all along, but I'm sure he would have wanted to hug Peter one last time if he could have in the end.
Oh stop I don’t need to cry over that again. But I think you’re right.
well damn this just made me tear up. Thank you very much. Unfortunately, it's very true.
Also, Tony's breathing gets heavy, fast and uneven when Peter cried, as though Tony wanted to say something, do something to comfort Peter. Not being able to do that and just seeing Peter crying must've been heartbreaking. Tony needed to hear Pepper's "We're going to be okay. You can rest now." to really die in peace, so it was good Pepper pulled Peter away before he would completely break down.
But you also really can't blame Peter at all, he was a 16 years old kid losing yet another father figure, he couldn't put on a mask (like Pepper) until Tony passed away. Though he did it in front of May when she died, so he learned. But it hurts so damn much, a kid his age shouldn't experience these things and have to put on a brave face.
You should make an episode about the trauma that Bucky went through. I think that Jonathan could have a field day working through THAT mind.
YES
i agree
I have been waiting for this episode. Yet at the same time, kind of terrified to dive into it. Bucky is in my top three favorite characters, so it could potentially be pretty hard to watch.
especially how Bucky works through and processes his traumas in F&WS
And I wish in Falcon and the Winter Soldier, they didn't dismiss it just to show how bad racism is. They mention how black people were enslaved and how traumatic it's been (which is true)... but I believe Bucky can sympathize with that, he was enslaved and killed so many people and that was traumatic. They could've merged that so well in the show and seeing him take the journey to healing
I really need to hear you guys talk about Steve. I feel like most fans see him just as this dumb, idealistic character who isn't affected by anything
Good news! We've got an episode about Steve coming soon! (Already shot, just working on the edit)
@@CinemaTherapyShow Yay!
@@CinemaTherapyShow Can't wait guys
@@CinemaTherapyShow yes!!!
@@CinemaTherapyShow yayyyyyyyyy
I'm a little surprised that there's so little talk about Tony's parental figures. The Tony we meet is interesting in hindsight when you wonder about what shaped him.
We had a few hints of backstory that imply interesting childhood influences - dismissive/abusive/absentee parents, going to MIT young (15??), inheriting the responsibility of Stark Industries after his parents' death and walking right into Obie's manipulations at just 21 - hints at WHY his genius brain was so inwardly focused and blind to what was going on in the world around him until his own bomb fell on his own head.
I've seen folks sum up Tony Stark as callously indifferent because he didn't "care to realize" what was going on in his own company, but... When Obadiah Stane betrays him in Iron Man 1, Tony had almost made it 40. That's almost 20 years of trust. When Yinsen talks about family, Stane is arguably the closest link to a father figure he had at that point. That loss of trust probably coloured in a lot of Tony's decision-making going forward as well, I feel.
We also learned that Peggy Carter was his godmother, and that OG Jarvis and his wife Anna raised him with as much care and affection as they could, sure, but he didn't get to keep any of that either, did he.
Tony's implied drive to make a family out of the Avengers is a bit sadder to me in that context. Especially because his efforts to build connections goes as sour as it did, again and again.
It doesn't sit quite well with me how often they made Tony endure losses. It humanized him, sure, but wow did it hit heavy after a while.
Late, but here we go. Thank you so much for remembering Obi. Dear Lord, nobody seems to remember that Obi (!!!) was the warmonger who sold under the table, not Tony. There are so many people who seem to erase Obi's influence on Tony's life and the weapons he built and kind of mush both characters together. Everyone is totally ok with heroes being decked out to the nines (often by Tony Stark) with technology and weapons - but Tony is the devil incarnate for legally selling weapons to the USA and her allies. I think his point was that he couldn't trust his weapons to not be misappropriated, and that's why he stopped - and that nobody should have things like the Jericho on a grand scale.
In Iron Man 1 they even said he was 17 (not 21) when his parents died - now imagine a maladjusted, too brilliant for his own good teenager under the influence of that monster - his godfather and someone he grew up with and trusted; and who had no interest in Tony being stable or self-sufficient because that would erode Obi's power base. Should Tony have known better? A seventeen years old teenager? Hardly. later, in his mid-twenties? Oh yes. Yep, he should have and he should be held accountable for his mistakes, he is an adult. But that should be tempered by him being conditioned to act a certain way. The two hosts here always say Tony thinks he is the smartest person in a room. They are right when it comes to brainiac stuff (and he is sometimes wrong) but people? No, he is horrible when it comes to beings not built out of bits and bytes. And he knows it and delegates. Interestingly enough he isn't the one who says that 'the best hands are our own."
@@chemina8541 yup. its actually a fairly in depth backstory there.
Not just this, but the first son figure he gets is Vision, who he then rejects.
One thing I think you guys should've mentioned with Peter's death is that he has his "Spidey sense" giving him knowledge of incoming danger. So he literally saw that his death was coming for him and he just had to live with that for the seconds he had.
Poor kid
Yes this. It wasn't his superhuman strength allowing him to hold on, but his spidersense warning him earlier than usual :(
@@umairbutt1355 fair points to about the character of Spider-Man but that wasn't the context of why they did that scene the way they did.
@@Darkstormsun9865 I feel like it could have been the intial motivation, I think the physically holding on was the superhuman strength part giving him just a little more, showing him really trying not to face the death he was sensing already
I just realized that that might be why he loses his spider-sense for Far from Home.
It always pained me because I felt like Tony tried and cared so much about the team but at the same time some part of him just couldn't fully trust them. I always wondered about that and wondered how do they treat Tony out of missions? Do they treat him as one of their own or is he just the rich guy who fixes their stuff? We never really see it but to me that makes the most sense as to why there was such a lack of communication. Also leads to why Cap didn't tell Tony about his parents. If he really took the time to know Tony, he would have known that him, a friend, telling him would have been so much better. It would have given Tony time to process the truth and I believe in the end he would have realized it wasn't really Bucky's fault and may have even helped Cap find and help him. I love how much we get from just small, sometimes unspoken moments.
Don't get me wrong, I still love Cap, but I feel like he was a bit full of himself sometimes and never really learned compromise when it came to Tony. He, Cap, was always right and knew better. It took so much for him to realize that maybe Tony had a point too. And Tony just had a hard time getting what he wanted across effectively I feel. They are both stubborn and that can be a recipe for disaster sometimes.
Another thing to consider when it comes to Civil War: Tony's whole arc in the MCU is "I can't let people I don't trust have my tech." In Age of Ultron, everyone has very obvious Starktech upgrades; Cap has electromagnets to enhance his shield control, Black Widow has her suit with the Tron Lines and electroshock batons, Hawkeye has a new high-tech quiver, Hulk has new pants. Then a bunch of those people turn on him in Civil War. Tony's worst fear has just come true: people he trusted with his tech turned out not to be trustworthy, in his mind.
Tony's character development throughout the MCU is the greatest thing ever
I absolutely can't wait for you to talk about Thor. The relationships he has with his family are so intense. I'm especially dying to hear your thoughts on his struggles after losing his brother.
Tony Stark: *act like he doesn't care*
Also him: *can't sleep because thinking about the problem*
I don't trust people who try very hard to act like they don't care ... they mostly do
The fact Tony went to Pepper and talked to her about him figuring out time travel is huge. It’s not even an argument or a debate, it’s a level-headed discussion where he’s not interested in showing off the fact he’s the smartest in the room or trying to convince someone he’s right and they should do what he suggests; he actually listens and is clearly prepared to not act if Pepper isn’t happy (though I think he secretly was hoping she’d talk him out of it). That’s pretty amazing growth and the way RDJ & GP play it is really natural. Their chemistry is great and a huge reason why they’re popular as a couple.
I love how Jonathan crunches popcorn casually as Alan disappears. Cool effect, bro. My favorite line out of this episode: "there's just confidence and the courage that comes from right action". Thank you guys.
Some people say that because of Peter’s spidersense, and because he was disintegrating slowly, his spidersense went off for the entire time. And spidersense is actually a painful feeling depending on the danger, so he felt pain in all 5 senses along with a 6th sense
Interesting to watch how u look at Wanda dealing with loss, every time she loses loved ones.
Heck, that line, "You can rest now", gets me every time...
I'm very cool with living in the mcu for a while with you guys. Loving the marvel commentary and loving learning about Iron Man's psychology as a character that made a big impact on me as a kid.
Edit: eesh you had to show The Dusting and Tony's death. Now my heart hurts.
As an attorney, I can tell you it would be pretty straightforward for Tony to not be in jail. What are you going to convict him for? If he's not in jail for doing his Avenger work on his own dollar, he's not going to jail for Ultron. The most you could realistically aim for is involuntary manslaughter, and with how weird the alien tech is and Tony's expertise and the fact that he roped another respected scientist Bruce Banner to help him? Tony ain't doing jail with a competent lawyer.
Matt Murdock to make a retconned cameo in Civil War? 🤨
jk, jk
Thank you. I agree with all of it.
He should be bankrupted from all of the civil suits
@@fangal12 He has literal billions stashed away to fix things he knows he is inevitably going to break in the course of his Avengers work.
@@dinhnguyen2110 Property damage is one thing, what about all of the wrongful death suits. How many people did Ultron kill?
My heart melted when Morgan said "I love you 3000" because, at her age, that was probably the biggest number she knew. But when Tony said it at his funeral, I went from nearly crying to BAWLING in the theater 😭😭😭
Yes, part 2 🥰 Tony Stark is an amazing character and I’m happy Cinema Therapy decided to talk about him.
Thanks so much for covering this! If my husband was here, he would have loved this. Sadly, he never got to see Infinity War or Endgame as he passed away in May 2018. Tony Stark / Ironman was his absolute favourite character in the MCU. In Ironman 2, they briefly touched upon Tony's disease of alcoholism but it was covered more extensively in the graphic novels. I can understand why addiction was skirted as it would've been too close to the bone issue for RDJ. Having portrayed grief (with my own character) and then come face-to-face with it, it would have been life & art imitating itself, and you can't help but end up taking the character home, which isn't healthy.
This is why I love MCU movies, especially because I also like Psychology. They realize real human emotions though they are superheroes. And yes, the "film critics" part is kind of annoying sometimes.
I never liked superhero movies and I like just a few action movies ... but I can't stop with Marvel, it's just so good! It's about the characters and that's why it's just amazing
tony stark is the most incredible character who ever has and maybe ever will exist in cinematography if just because of the incredible way his story was told. His story was progressed in some way in every single film he appeared in. If you pay attention you can see a tangible, traceable, and intuitively fitting flow of character progression throughout the entire MCU franchise leading up to his death, and most of all I think we see that in his changed perspective of his father.
I didn't know Tom Holland had improvised that scene. Before I had read somewhere that Peter's spider sense would have warn him seconds before. Just makes me love tom Holland even more.
Are you going to touch on closure? The scenes with Tony getting to talk to his dad in the past, along with Thor talking to his mother, really gave me the feels. I think it would be a great subject to talk about.
i agree! that would be amazing
Yes! They could teach us so much about grief and closure.
"I'm still worthy!"
how chilled Alan sat there and ate the popcorn while Jonathan vanished, gosh, I am scared of therapists for that reason
Edit: Yes, I mixed up their names, I'm so sorry
this makes me paranoid, didn't Alan vanish? ^^' or is it for different for everyone? :O
@@MiFelidae OMGOSH DID I MIXED UP THEIR NAMES?!?! :O
@@prisle yaaaaa but they both got hot dad vibes... soooooo if you get that vibe, your brain may have been affected.
@@h1rambab3 ha! I’m about a 2.5 on the Kinsey scale, yet I’m not feeling ya on the “hot dad” thing you’re vibing on; but you do you Ash! 😂😂😂
„You can rest now.“
Not you guys though. I’m waiting for all of them to be discussed. And when you run out of heroes to discuss, there’s still Morgan, Pepper, Ultron, the reporter from the first iron man... Just keep living in the MCU!❤️😍
So many great characters in the MCU!
@@CinemaTherapyShow I feel like one on Ultron, or one on Pepper would actually be very interesting!
Wanda.Please,I need that.
The mentorship between Tony and Peter was such a good thing, and it also hurt so much too. The parallels between those two were always so, so good. Homecoming, watching Peter learn how to be Spiderman, the parallels between Iron Man 1 and Homecoming were CHEFS KISS!!!
I remember watching Peter go in the theaters, as soon as Peter uttered "Mr. Stark.." I was gutted and screamed "God no!" in tears and bawled my eyes out as he's begging for his life "I don't wanna go" over and over and then he says "I'm sorry.." completely crushed me and broke my heart.
That one really hurt, I've watched Infinity War dozens and dozens of times and I still tear up whenever I watch it happen.
after watching the first part, i binge ironman 1-3 and avengers 1-4. it was amazing and i was sobbing in every movie.
I should catch up with marvel sometime.. Not like now through memes and spoilers but for real.
I should also start therapy.
@@Ohio_etsu-masu Comfortable with English enough to read comics? I’ll ship you a the library of trades that the MCU are based on. Just let me know.
Thank you for addressing PTSD. It is good to see PTSD reflected realistically in movies like this one. Although an individual who has been diagnosed with PTSD can learn to manage the symptoms and over time work to 'process' the original trauma, many years after one thinks they've overcome the PTSD one can experience sudden and surprising reactions, including panic attacks, that can take one by surprise long after one has thought the PTSD is "over" and dealt with.
Manager: *Exists
Karen: "Activating Instant Kill"
This is an underrated gem of a comment
I am an IRL Karen and I approve
@@karenhaller9988 See this is why, I don't get the people trying to guard actual Karen's from the Karen Jokes. When some actual Karen's are like "Got me."
You mean activating instant trigger aggression.
@@katiearbuckle9017 because the name is not just used for this joke anymore. It's used for racists, anti-vaxxers and just all-round terrible women. I was fine (just rolled my eyes) when it was just used for "manager jokes" but the use is getting out of hand.
When Tony is yelling at Cap, the intensity builds, then just stops with the word "liar". It just kills me.
THIS is the kind of content I want to see on UA-cam. I love everything about this analysis as a huge Tony Stark fan. Can’t wait to see your Civil War videos!
Uff. I watched IronMan 3 while I had problems with panic attacks especially while in a movie theater (no way out, sitting still, no fun under panic, waste of money, time, blabla xD) ... It was heavy, but also helpful to see that this happens to people.
Oooo, yeah, theatres are bad. I always sit at the top of the stairs at the back, so I’m not in front of anyone but have a straight shot if I need to get out; I’m not so good with surround sound.
Same here. I don't know why but I know that the overwhelming smell of the food, especially the popcorn, just makes it the worst movie experience of my life. I barely was able to watch this Godzilla movie I was dragged to. When I'm really into a movie, like on the edge of my seat, I don't feel panicked anymore. I loved Iron Man 3 and binged watched it all the time and to this day.
You know what? I have HATED watching Tony's PTSD because I resonate so much with it. Ugh.. I didn't wanna think about this. Thanks a lot guys
I thought he was going to say “And I am a Therapist”
How dare we not applaud Alan’s tear jerking acting at the end MY HEART IS BEING TORN
Just the panic in Peter‘s voice bc he doesn‘t wanna die makes me tear up so much. Tom Holland is such a good actor.
How do I know today's going to be a good day?
Cinema therapy uploaded
I would LOVE to see you guys talk about Wandavision, and Wanda specifically.
I'm pretty confident they aren't going to ignore Wandavision. It's right up their ally.
They already talked about trauma with Serenity and Firefly btw.
Also some side comments of Agatha...sHe WAS THE THERAPIST ALL ALONGGG
WandaVision is legit the embodiment of the things they like to talk about in characters, so I really hope they do so!
MOVIE SUGGESTIONS
• The Edge of Seventeen (it's about a lack of self-love)
• Bridge to Terabithia (Alan will definitely cry!)
• Spirit - Stallion of the Cimarron (this movie broke my heart in childhood but I love it anyway)
• Finding Nemo
• Split (about multiple personality)
• Adrift
• The Shack (even great for people who aren't religious, it's about forgiving)
• Laggies (about being stuck in life)
• Love, Simon
yes the shack would be a good one to do about forgiveness
@@holiday991 I've learned a lot from this movie
After all Tony went through… he finally got to rest. The trauma… the heartbreak… just everything he had to go through… he stayed strong even if he broke down sometimes, he stayed strong in the end. He got to rest, just not in a way that most ppl expected. 🕊
16:30 I love this scene so much. Having established how done he is with being everyone's savior, he still couldn't stop tinkering with the formula. Then when he figured it out, he was torn between his strong and perfectly legitimate urge to preserve what he had built and his compulsion to put it aside to do what had to be done.
He is practically begging Pepper to give him a reason - ANY REASON - to disclaim that responsibility and concentrate on his family. But she doesn't. Because she knows what this means for literally everyone else. And she knows him too, that one thing core to his personality going all the way back to Movie Number One: There's no art opening, no charity, nothing to sign. There's the next mission, and nothing else... he shouldn't be alive... unless it was for a reason. He finally knows what he has to do. And he knows in his heart that it's right.
:edit: 18:42 yes, that
"I don't wanna go" is actually a nod to Dr.Who. It's the last line David Tennant's Doctor says before he regenerates. And resinated just as strongly with fans.
They say the lines completely differently obviously 2 different characters but saw in a interview that was a inspiration.
not exactly a "nod". Tom Holland has said in an interview that he says things to himself to make himself cry. This is what he said on that day, and it wasn't actually meant to be aloud.
you guys should do one of these for Draco Malfoy, feel like he’s got a pretty complex character to delve into
@@eli-hk8tp a lot of Harry Potter is that way, really, it's kind of interesting just how much of it written to be interpreted in the reader's head more than a story about characters.
The moment Tony gave his life for the safety of the universe, and after 11 years of seeing each one of his films as they hit theatres, I sincerely felt like I had lost a friend. But I was so damn proud of him. ❤ Thank you for this analysis and for validating that the MCU is one of the most incredibly written character-driven narratives to be put to film! Love your work!
in terms of Civil War, I always felt like they both were right, and this vid put it into better context. I also think that Tony constantly saying "we need to be put in check" was more of him not wanting to be alone, or the avengers to break up because Tony is losing everything. I think he just wanted to not have to go at it alone. at the end of the day his biggest fear was just losing the people he cared about.
This is why Tony is hands down the best character in the MCU. He's allowed to be flawed just as much as he's allowed to be a hero. Look character analysis of recently added characters in the MCU, and you'll notice a distinct lack of personal flaws.
PLEASE DO LOKI NEXT!!! Ever since the first Thor movie he’s been my comfort character.
On its way!
@@CinemaTherapyShow omggg! 🥰
Loki army rise up
"Fun is not something one considers when balancing their emotions. But this... does put a smile on my face."
-- Thanos when he realizes the overwhelming absurd amount of emotion in his plan
Its so nice to see a man who cries at all the same spots I always do.
Tony’s “no trust. Liar” bit to cap totally gets me
Oh god. Tony's funeral. Look, I saw that scene in theater's with my Mum, and she said that I was crying so hard and so loudly that you would have thought I was watching my own father's funeral. I genuinely have no idea how loud I was, but I know there was not a dry eye in the theater.