Fun Fact! The two sides you talked about in the book is called 'something Took-ish'. As Tooks were the last name of his mother's family (and Pippin's from lotr) and were known for going on adventures.
I’m glad that despite the films’ short-comings you’re still able to find value in the great actors cast for these roles. Rewatching it all these years later now knowing that this trilogy wasn’t the best I still love Bilbo as a character.
Thank you for you’re service lol 🎉 i genuinely think you guys would enjoy dissecting master roshi from dragon ball z 🤟 also merry Christmas guys & editors & crew 🙏❤️
Bilbo is the personification of the quote: "Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear."
Sauron hadn’t really come into much power then… and the Shire is so far away from Mordor. The ring isn’t as heavy of a burden as it becomes in the LOTR
@@alyssatheexcellentStill, it took a remarkable amount of strength to let it go. I think part of it is Bilbo never used the Ring for evil: he started his “ownership” with an act of mercy and later used it to save his friends and avoid his relatives. He never lost his integrity, and the Ring had very little to work with.
As Gandalf once said, Bilbo began his ownership of the Ring with pity, rather than greed and murder, and that perhaps could’ve been a factor in its influence on him.
Martin Freeman was absolutely brilliant casting as Bilbo. He really embodied the relatively younger Hobbit, who simply wanted to sit in front of the fire with a good book, only to get roped into an unexpected adventure. The films may be divisive, but he was sublime.
In fairness, the main casts were superb in the Hobbit films. The actors who played Balin and Bofur definitely stood out to me. Richard Armitage, Martin Freeman, and Sir Ian McKellen... I mean, need I say more?
So much in this film was absolutely perfect, including casting, costumes, and set design, but the outcome was still a mess. I saw a fan-made re-edit where they cut the non-canon scenes and put some of the others in the right sequence and it was perfect.
I love the scene where Thorin thinks Bilbo is stealing something only to find it's an acorn, just that look of pure fondness for Bilbos gentle and caring nature.
I think the reason Martin Freeman is so good as Bilbo is that he gets to play the role he's so good at: the normal guy in a bizarre situation. He did it as Tim in the original office and also has done it in Black Panther as Agent Ross. His quirks and mannerisms of 'what is happening' are what help make those characters so relatable and make the audience chuckle as well
@bob1234881 that doesn't make you born into wealth. Nor does it mean tolkien is lesser in moral standing because of it. It's no more moral to condemn someone for the circumstances of any amount of wealth one may have been born into than it is to condemn someone for being born poor. He had no choice in the matter, the difference is he made the most of it, not many can say that rich or poor.
I adore Tolkien’s universe. The Hobbit trilogy films may not have been for everyone, but I felt that they were beautiful despite it all. I have a special soft spot for them
Your comments about Bilbo's courage reminded me of this little verse by Danish mathematician Piet Hein: "To be brave is to behave bravely, when your heart is faint. So you can be really brave only when you really ain't."
Wow, a 7-7-7-7 stanza, that's impressive. . . especially from a mathematician! (Sorry, I'm on a short Haiku binge from watching too many Avatar: The Last Airbender reactions) (Oh, and my grandfather was a university mathematics professor, mathematicians aren't exactly known for good poetry.)
It’s interesting to see reactors who remember LOTR well enough to connect the tomb in Moria with the dwarf who is the heart of Thorin’s company. It’s a sad moment.
@@ilovenycsomuch I just love him. When I was a kid first reading LOTR after reading the Hobbit, it broke my heart a little when they found Balin’s tomb.
Yes! Absolutely! I was just thinking that Balin was the best friend to Bilbo in the books, going so far as to visit with Bilbo in Bag End, five years after the Battle of Five Armies. I think Peter Jackson did a great job showing that friendship.
Yes!! Bilbo is probably the most relatable fictional character I’ve ever read/watched. My man just wanted to stay at home and not die and honestly mood. Merry Christmas y’all!
Whenever someone tries to say the Hobbit movies are bad. I always point out the “The Small Things” speech. It truly just feels like something Tolkien would write and it feels so true.
The actors and script were great, in my opinion. What was bad was the use of visual effects in areas where the Lord of the Rings films used prosthetics and makeup.
@BioshadowX Exactly! That's what makes it so disappointing, there are so many truly fantastic moments that are brutally ruined by things like Alfred, scrotum beards and barrel scenes 👎
Shout out to Richard Armitage as Thorin, Lee Pace as Thranduil, and Luke Evans as Bard for three of the most insanely good casting decisions I've seen for any LotR adaption. Thranduil in particular is THE haughty elf lord, like Viggo is THE Aragorn II Elessar.
The casting of these films, as usual, is second to none. Richard Armitage in particular deserves so much credit, that he seldom gets. In a broader way, I hate when people say that the passion and care that went into LOTR isn't there in The Hobbit films. It absolutely is. You can SEE it in all the details, and especially in the performances. (What The Hobbit films did not have, that LOTR did, was time. And a few other issues, yes, that are more complicated to summarize.) I feel like, even if you don't watch the BTS stuff, you CAN feel the passion in these performances. RA was deeply committed to the story and the role, AND he's an underrated actor. I also know that people had some issues with some of the choices made for the dwarf characters. But overall, I don't think the films get enough credit for taking THIRTEEN dwarves and making them all distinct personalities. (Granted, most viewers will probably only be able to identify six or seven of them... but you have only to look at past adaptations to appreciate that previously, you'd be lucky if two or so made any impression on you -- Thorin, and perhaps Balin.) Kudos to the props and costuming and make-up for them, but also to all of the actors who were very committed to developing these characters. I do sometimes wonder if part of the reason Armitage and the others don't get as much credit is because they were so heavily made up... but then you have to admire the acting they did THROUGH all of those prostheses and so on.
I love Lee Pace. He is stunning and could absolutely always play a handsome, leading man type, but he chooses instead to play all these interesting roles where he’s often buried under so much makeup he’s unrecognizable. And I also loved Pushing Daisies.
One of the most upsetting aspects of the films for me was finding out that Richard felt like he was doing a bad job playing Thorin during the filming, but imo he's one of the best cast actors and I felt he portrayed Thorin very well, especially in his expression work. I loved him in the Hobbit movies- I wish he knew how much people appreciated his work.
Something I would add is that Bilbo's lines about home at 13:38 are a call back to his conversation with Bofur just before they get captured by goblins. Bilbo's about to leave because he's way over his head, the dwarves all seem to think he's not going to be any help and he agrees with them, and when Bofur catches him packing up to go, it feels very significant that he isn't angry with Bilbo. It's a lot like Moana and her grandmother's scene, in that he doesn't shame Bilbo for finding it all too much to cope with - which weirdly then leads Bilbo to choose to go back and see it through .
26:15 “How could I hate more time in Middle Earth?” THANK YOU. It’s not perfect, but he did the best he could with what he was allowed. No matter what people think of The Hobbit movies, they’re chef’s kiss compared to Rings of Power.
@ whatever makes you happy 😅 I thought season 2 was just as awful, if not more. The world feels so much smaller and unimpressive with Amazon’s treatment vs Jackson’s.
As they pointed out with that montage at the end -- PJ can make questionable decisions about what to include, or how to approach some things. So, not ALL of the things that people dislike about the movies is solely down to studio interference. It's just that, for me, everything I loved about these movies outweighs the parts I didn't like. I do wish we could know what they would have been like if PJ had gotten to do them as 2 movies, as he wished. That alone would have made them tighter. In the end, though, the parts that felt very much like Tolkien (and of course, the parts that WERE Tolkien -- PJ once again trying to use as much from the book as he could) were a thread through all the films. You can't write that "Small Things" speech if you don't *get* Tolkien. (And that's my chief problem with RoP.). Plus of course: phenomenal cast. (I also wonder if we would have gotten more location shooting and so on, rather than CGI, if they'd been given the same time as LOTR. Even so, the costuming and sets and so on are gorgeous and still show that passion and attention to detail as before.)
As much as I love LOTR, I felt more connected to Bilbo than I ever did with Frodo. Bilbo very much felt like his own person. As much as I hate rewatching the whole Tauriel romance business, I love to rewatch Bilbo struggling to understand and connect with the dwarves. It’s reason I keep coming back to the hobbit. It has it’s charm despite its flaws. I remember seeing these movies in theaters when they came out and It’s still something I cherish.❤
My "adventure" was joining the US Navy. I did 4 years of a 6 year contract and got out because of mental health reasons. On Christmas Eve I was talking with my sister and brother-in-law and the conversation came around to military theme songs for the different branches. After "Anchors Away" came up in the conversation, my sister ask me essentially if the song triggered a trauma response for my time in the service. She was expressing genuine concern. I expressed to her that despite the trials I experienced and how it ended, I couldn't bring myself to regret it or wish it never happened. It's part of my life story that brought me to where I was and who I am. I also met so many people who were wonderful people, and I'm glad for them to have touched my life. I'm glad to have shared in that peril.
I was a massive shut-in whose only comforts were video games and dnd. Over the past year I changed my career, lost 35lbs, got a car, completely changed my social life and even jumped out of a plane. I relate to Bilbo on a spiritual level.
As a massive fan of the original Lord of the Rings I understand there are issues with The Hobbit. However, I agree with Jonathan that the fault is with the studio more than Peter Jackson....and there is still so much to enjoy with these movies. Martin Freeman's best role, Ian McKellen IS Gandalf, the Shire is as beautiful as ever....and can we please appreciate the awesome design of Smaug. 🔥
I watched the second movie in the theater and in general, we had people cheering and enjoying the movie but in the scene where Smaug rises from the gold and starts to speak, I swear you could hear a pin drop. The whole theater room was just dead silence in awe. Smaug was done brilliantly and was fantastic to watch!
"It's the small things. Everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keeps the darkness at bay. Simple acts of kindness and love." This advice guided me through helping take care of my mother while she struggled with cancer for 8 years. "So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you." This advice is helping me get through my mother passing away last February. Gandalf's words of wisdom are truly worth paying attention to.
6:38 as a 14 year old, reading the hobbit for the first time, I didn’t really appreciate his “boring Baggins” side. As I grew up I realized just how important it was for him.
Talking of Martin Freeman… would love to see you guys’ take on Sherlock .. both Holmes and Watson. I know it’s not strictly ‘cinema’ but would love to see an exception 😂
10:55 This line was really formative for me. It shaped how I approach the world and really made me realize that even though I am not a rich, powerful man, I can still make a difference by making someone elses life just that little bit better than it might otherwise have been. In a world full of greedy evil people and rouge algorithms profiting off of division, bitterness and hatred, taking the time to remind someone that there is actually good out there can be incredibly powerful.
Jonos's reaction to Alan singing "Bilbo Baggins" was SOOOOO funny. I loved that. My poor hubby is watching It's a "Wonderful Life" during one of its many emotional scenes and I am sitting beside him laughing my rear off at Jono. I was getting the strangest look from my Hubbins, LOL.
I think what always struck me about the first Hobbit film in particular, and maybe it's how Martin Freeman portrays Bilbo -- who is my favourite Hobbit by the way -- is that he is lonely. The fact that he keeps telling the Dwarves not to touch his mother's things, or his family's, aside from the Sackville-Baggins, the Tooks of course, and eventually Frodo's family, Bilbo is the only one of his immediate family left. He outlived his parents, he has no wife or children, and he just sits in Bag End. Yes, he's comfortable with his books and maps and learning -- which he augments later when he gets to know the Elves and Rivendell -- and he's friendly with his neighbours and townfolk but there is always a distance there. Maybe it is the Took part of him that wants to go off to grand adventures and far off vistas in his head, and the Baggins part that wants to remain comfortable and safe and stable, but he looks like he never really lets anyone, or anything, truly *in* if you know what I mean. Then Gandalf and the Dwarves come in, and they are obnoxious and loud and the outside world that Bilbo both fears for what it can take away, and is secretly still excited about -- that sense of adventure -- and they also honourable, and filled with mirth and music and comradery. And then they are almost gone, leaving his Hobbit Hole clean again, the loneliness sets in that was the contrast to the peaceful solitude that he convinced himself he had ... and the opportunity of a lifetime with its perils and treasures gone with it, and Bilbo ... just has to go. He has to go on an adventure. I will never forget at the end of Return of the King that line of his, when he is old and frail, still alive even without the Ring, having lost but also had friends and family in the company he kept and Frodo when he says "I think I'm quite ready for another adventure." And I felt that. Thank you for doing this video.
One thing I'm surprised wasn't mentioned was the acorn reveal scene. How we see Thorin soften up, like the sickness lost hold of him. How Bilbo's simple souvenir almost broke Thorin's gold/dragon sickness. That's another reason Bilbo does this, because he knows that this crack could happen again
I can relate to Bilbo as I’m a total introvert. Video games and movies are my comforts. I’m 41 years old and hadn’t done much in my life. I had always dreamt of traveling the world, but couldn’t afford it. A couple years ago I took a 6 day vacation In Tokyo and it changed me. I was scared of flying and I was scared when I got there because I was alone in a foreign country. But after a few days there when the jet lag wore off, I began to have fun on my biggest adventure of my life. And I can’t wait to do it all again in Europe or the UK
I've been to Hobbiton and eaten dinner at the Green Dragon and it was the best thing I've done. I even have a recording of me doing a reenactment of Bilbo running through that path where he says the "I'm going on an adventure." It was absolutely awesome. Even ti learn the little tidbits like they remade the tree above Bilbo's home leaf by leaf to make it look similar. After lotr the entire tree above the Baggins household is fake.
I've been too and agree it's just so magical! Just the fact they really do grow some fruit and vegetables in Hobbiton to use in the Green Dragon and the guides are all brilliant.
This last year was the most horrible I've ever experienced. I've witnessed so much deaths, so much senseless hate, to much destruction, so much unfairness and cruelty. Living a war is the most horrible experience I don't wish my worse enemies. It is stories like this that give me courage, and it's experiencing war that made me appreciate so much my mundane, boring life.
it has been absolutely horrible seeing the way people respond to war. it makes me sick to my stomach when they try to justify genocide. this is only promoted by the most deeply dangerous mentally insane people on the planet and anyone who agrees with it needs to go to the front lines and see what exactly they're proudly claiming their God wants them to participate in. it's not always the good guys who are getting the good publicity.
I like to think that Bilbo always had a sense of justice. He was perfectly content and everything was right with his world. When Gandalf expanded his world to the dwarves, Bilbo tried to turn a blind eye. But his sense of they don't have a home and I do and it isn't right their home was stolen from them pushed him to go on this adventure. He knew his limitations. But he was very quick witted and could either talk or hide from the situation long enough to do what was necessary. Even his compassion with Golem. He knew it wouldn't be right to kill a creature who's mind was so poisoned by loneliness, a fate Bilbo could see in himself if he didn't allow his world to expand.
It definitely has occurred to me that Bilbo is kind of a stand-in for many of us who hide or escape from our true natures by taking the easy way over the beneficial way. And he also represents the person who pushes through and realizes (afterwards) that the risk was worth it in a way that is hard to articulate. As usual, I find this video so timely! Every other year, I re-read the Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. And, well, it's that time again: I just got done with the Hobbit and Fellowship. What a coincidence!
I loved the scene at 13:05. Bilbo realized that he has somewhere to go home to. That's something he's always had. The Dwarves home was taken from them and he's never had to deal with that. So more than anything he wanted to give them the feeling he's always had. A home to go back to
Video about the main character of my favorite book/movie?!!! Now THAT'S a Christmas present!!! Side note- My favorite thing about Bilbo is that he has second thoughts and regrets. Every other hero does the heroic thing and shoves down any misery because 'it's the right thing to do'. Over and over again in the book Bilbo complains about the weather, how he misses his home, how cold he is- but he keeps going anyways. Personally I think that's both more realistic and more meaningful then just pretending bad things don't exist in good places.
The Lady of Mourning, Nienna, taught Olorin, Gandalf, the meaning of mercy. He taught Bilbo. Without Bilbo sparing Gollum, Sauron would have prevailed seventy-eight years later! Mercy saved Middle-earth.
The smallest gestures of kindness and care towards anyone in this depressing world can make a big difference. Maybe if we learned to love our fellow man the world would be a little better to live in
Whenever a character from LOTR / the Hobbit is discussed here am the happiest ever. There is just so much depth, meaningful moments and comforting lessons also it is on Christmas Eve 🎄 Bilbo was such a relatable character on a personal level .
I was not expecting to geek out so much when Alan started singing “Bilbo Baggins” by Leonard Nimoy. I discovered that song by complete accident years ago while watching a movie tribute to the animated Hobbit film. It’s such a silly song, but the music video for it is EVEN sillier. Hope you and your family have a safe and wonderful Christmas and a Happy New Year 🎉
I wouldn't call them trash; strung out definitely (this probably could have been two movies), but it's competent and still fun. My favorite part of it is they fell behind schedule one point because Christopher Lee started sharing stories between takes and everyone stopped shooting to listen to him speak.
Peter Jackson wanted them to be 2 movies. It was the studio that mandated they be 3, because they wanted the additional revenue that a trilogy would bring. (And they wanted to replicate the experience of LOTR.). I think one of the great unanswerable questions is what they would have been like as 2 movies. I will definitely go to bat to argue that they could not have been just one. (The book is short, but that's because it's written in a breezy style that often conveys major pieces of action in a paragraph or two. That fits its storytelling style, but you can't do that in a movie. You have to show those things unfolding, and that takes up time.) (Funny story: when we were hearing about the movies in development, and at that time thought they'd be 2 films, I was talking with some friends, and I was making the argument they needed more than 1 movie, based on what I just said above. I ran through all of the major beats: you have to do the opening in the Shire, you have to do the Trolls sequence, you have to do Rivendell, and then the Goblin caves, the whole Gollum sequence, the attack by the goblins and wargs (with the pine trees), then Beorn's house, then Mirkwood and the spiders, then imprisonment by Thranduil and the barrels escape, then Laketown, and that's before you even GET to the dragon... And one friend, who hadn't read the book since she was very young, burst out, "THERE'S A DRAGON???" I fell over laughing. Imagine FORGETTING the dragon! That's the whole POINT! (Anyway... and then you have to get into the mountain, and then there's all the stuff with the dragon, and then the Arkenstone, and then the Battle of the Five Armies, which you can't get away with breezing past because you've knocked Bilbo unconscious. That's a LOT of story pieces! I honestly don't think even a 3 hour movie could have done it, and by the time you're looking at a 3 hour movie, you might as well do 2 movies and let some of those pieces breathe a bit. Unfortunately, once 3 movies were mandated, there was far too much time to fill.)
That was very well put! I've been thinking about this a lot recently as I reread the Hobbit. I agree 2 films would've been perfect. Unexpected Journey definitely had the best pacing and least fluff, and could've done with trimming here and there (like that long Misty Mountain escape), and I think still fit in Beorn, at about 3 hours. The Bree scene from DoS could be put in the prologue (maybe extended version idk). I picture the 1st film ending with them entering Mirkwood and the camera panning up over the trees to the Lonely Mountain. Sounds like I'm leaving a lot for the 2nd movie, but not really once you remove all the usually mentioned stuff (Tauriel, Legolas, gratuitous fight scenes, freakin' Alfrid), and condense the BotFA (I agree with you it needed to be fleshed out, but not a whole movie). I think you could even keep the Dol Guldor subplot, just cut the pit stop @ Rhudaur. If u followed those beats, it'd be no longer than RotK theatrical. I'd like to hear your thoughts tho. @@gryphonvert
@@gryphonvert I mean the '78 animated film did it in what, 90 minutes? and the only big things they left out were Beorn and the Arkenstone (although the battle of 5 armies was maybe a bit rushed... still better than the overdone mess that was in Jackson's movies). So, I think it could have been done in one 2.5 hour movie... There are fan-edits of Jackson's movies that have cut it down to the length of one long movie and are great... Although, I think two shorter movies might have been fine...
That’s what I’ve always liked about Bilbo while growing up. He’s like me and I assume most of us, that we’re stuck between staying home and going on adventures. The duality of each trying to define who I am, but Bilbo finds the balance. And that’s what I strive to do in my life. Whether it’s something simple like going on a hike, or something big like traveling to another destination. I’m trying to achieve that balance where I earn that euphoric feeling of coming home after a long trip. It’s the best feeling.
The fact that Gandalf is one of the Maiar (he existed before the world was created) and he finds courage and comfort in simple acts of kindness and in Bilbo's bravery in the face of hardship is beautiful to me. The guy is a god-like creature yet he cherishes small and seemingly unimportant things because he knows they are anything but.
The Hobbit book holds a special place in my heart. My father would read it as a bedtime story to me. Even if it wasn't intentional, it was a stone in the pyramid of what gave me such a love for fantasy stories.
Speaking of little touches, 9:15 is such a perfect little bit by Mr. Freeman. That look and glance at Gandalf where his Took and Baggins start fighting, like "Holy SHIT, he's giving me a SWORD, but oh, I can't." Then you can hear the Took side win because the only other justification he uses from there is that he's never used a sword before. Not that it's barbaric, not that it's uncivilized, but that he's just never done it before. He WANTS to carry Sting, but at this point he's more worried about being judged by the Dwarves than leaving his comfort zone
That moment when Bilbo says he has a home and wants to help the dwarves get theirs back, and Thorin (Richard Armitage) drops his eyes for a moment was a nice touch. It's as if he's looked into the face of selflessness for the first time and almost can't bear it. Oh, Lordy, I had Nimoy's album back in the day and when Alan started singing, it took me back.
13:15 this is my favorite scene I think- i really enjoy the several breaths that biblo calculates exactly what he wants to say, and then he really gives Thorin the reality check he needed.
When I see the “I’m going on an adventure!” scene I start sobbing uncontrollably. When I hear the last talk between Thorin and Bilbo, I’m bawling my eyes out. The way this little hobbit and his immense struggle for the good of others speaks to me is beyond explaining. I personally connect to him much more than to Frodo. His journey feels so real and so common, with being judged for your right actions, not knowing whether your decisions were sound, eternally longing for an adventure. Seeing Bilbo return home after the biggest adventure of his life, having lost so much in the process, I feel the loss he feels.
Richard Armitage is GROSSLY UNDERRATED. He's an amazing actor and I feel he's never given enough credit. And Thorin Oakenshield is one of his best roles - absolutely perfect for the self-professed "broody" actor!
I was literally just thinking about you guys doing this!!!! Bilbo is one of my favorite characters in fiction, and his journey is very relatable and inspiring!! “That’s where I belong. That’s home. And that’s why I came back because… you don’t have one. It was taken from you. But I will help you take it back if I can.”
Thank you for doing a video on Bilbo. I made a comment to have a video about him, but people were saying that the Hobbit trilogy were awful and that you guys shouldn’t do it. Well, even if those comments were said, you and many others see the good of these films. Bilbo is definitely a great character and what a great Christmas gift to receive from you guys. So thank you again! And Merry Christmas! 🎁
Thank you for this Christmas present! All 6 films have such a special place in my film library. RIP Ian Holm (even though he’s LOTR and not The Hobbit). May your trip to NZ be fulfilled! And thank you for the bonus present of The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins! 🖖
I think the scene after the dwarves have left is so beautiful in it's own way. The lack of colour, the home seeming so big and empty, Bilbo slowly losing the pep in his step. It is such a good showcase of that nagging dread of knowing you missed out on something. Then into the wide sweeping shots of Hobiton full of colour as Bilbo once again runs full of excitement. It is such a good little mini story in that short sequence.
I'm so glad that you guy's did a bit on the Hobbit trilogy. It frustrates me when average viewers thought the Hobbit was horrible, but thought that ROP was better (it really WASN'T and you all know this!) and yet still has genuine moments like these calling back to the familiar "Concerning Hobbits" track. You can't deny that PJ was still trying his best to immerse us back to Middle Earth despite the greedy studio and production executives setting him up for the most backhanded trap of all! All of the behind the scenes footage was PROOF enough that he was done dirty. The Hobbit trilogy (although it shouldn't have been a trilogy) still counts in honoring Tolkein. Moreso than the desecration that ROP can hope to ever accomplish.
Oh my gosh YES!! I absolutely love these movies. I kinda het the “hate” around tye extra characters, but I do NOT get the haters that say they’re an irredeemable dumpster fire. Of course they’re not as good as the original LOTR films… But there’s so many great things about them! Not the least of which is Martin Freeman as Bilbo. The casting literally couldn’t have been better, he makes me laugh AND CRY every single time I watch these movies. In fact, the casting across the BOARD is phenomenal. I’ve just never been that bothered by the extra characters and plot lines. 🤷🏻♀️ They’re not my favorite parts of the movies, but they’re not THAT bad.
I can rant with the best of them, but these movies have moments of brilliance and heart. They aren’t as good as LOTR, but it’s the difference between an A and a B+.
I said that these movies are what he lived through while the book is what he tells people happened. The deaths of Thorin Fili and Kili still bring me to tears. And I knew it was going to happen.
We connect through our shared experiences. I wouldn't give up my years of trauma, because they shaped me into the loving, kind and caring person I am. In my life I strive to use my trauma to help as many people as I can, and that's also why I love this show.
After recently having re-watched the movies for the first time, I must admit there is much more in them that I appreciate now then I did 10years ago. And yes, Bilbo, and his relationship to everyone, is the single best thing.
i just watched these for the first time recently and as someone that is currently struggling after a house fire from over a year ago that "because you don't have a home" speech gets me in the feels big time.
11:24 This, for me, confirms something from the books- Olorin/Gandalf was afraid to go to Middle Earth either just prior to or during the War of Wrath. Yet he was convinced that that very fear was the reason he had to go to begin with. Also, Gandalf at this point is in possession of the Elven ring of Courage (Vilya or Narya I can't remember), yet he finds more courage in a hobbit. To me, Hobbits with the wanderlust like Bilbo share Gandalf's initial fear of setting foot in a new, unfamiliar land and that is also why Gandalf is called "friend to hobbits"; he relates to them in a way that very few, like Bullroarer and Bilbo, can see
Awww when Gandalf showed up in the middle of the episode. What a good boy. 🐶🤎 Side note: I balled like a baby in theaters when Thorin died and both Martin Freeman and Richard Armitage's acting during that whole scene was so good. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I love that you mention the two sides of Bilbo! Throughout the book he thinks about how much he misses home and the “narrator” says “and not for the last time.” Eventually it’s no longer there but you know he still feels and thinks it, the best change the moves made was putting that part of Bilbo at the front of his character. His love of his home being a motivational factor for him staying with the dwarves was a simple but masterful bit of storytelling told subtly in the book and made grand for the screen.
I've always related to Bilbo with a Tookish side craving adventure in the great wide somewhere and a Baggins side that just wants to make my home cozy and take comfort in the small things. (Also, my opinion on the movies that no one asked for: the 4 hour cut can take out the scenes that din't make any sense, but it can't add the things that were never shot. Like Bilbo's extended riddle time with Dragon Sherlock or Fili and Kili dying shielding Thorin with their bodies. But love Freeman as Bilbo)
12:27 I really like this moment in the film. He's stuck in this horrible spider-infested forest with no hope in sight, but he climbs above it to see one of the most beautiful sights in his whole adventure. A brief moment to remind him that this forest isn't the whole world. It's just one awful part of it. It's most important because of how big of a theme hope is in Tolkien's works. It shows to me that even for all its flaws, The Hobbit still understands the core of the series.
“The world is not in your books or maps. It’s out there.” That very quote from Gandalf to Biblo is what inspired me to move to Utah out of nowhere, see a different side of the world compared to my small town. My small town is like the Shire except far more ghetto. And Utah, Wyoming, Nevada became my adventure including driving across the country. I never thought that would ever happen and it did. The Hobbit movies may not be the best however it has its gems. The actor of Biblo is definitely one of those gems. Love your channel. Thanks for uploading.
The Hobbit trilogy holds a special place in my heart because when An Unexpected Journey premiered in 2012, by that time I really was into the LOTR films after not really being that into them until Thanksgiving of 2009 when I was old enough to understand what was happening. Martin Freeman as Bilbo understood the assignment! And can we get a Psychology of a Hero episode on Thorin? Because that would be cool; taking care of his people, greed, revenge, etc. Side note: the actor that plays the Orc Azog, Manu Bennett, is the same actor who portrays Slade Wilson/Deathstroke in Arrow, Crixus in the Starz series Spartacus, and starred alongside Austin Butler in The Shannara Chronicles.
I loved Alan singing "The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins!" That was GREAT! I don't know how other viewers of your channel feel, but I think you guys are doing an awesome job! You always inject just the right amount of silliness for the audience, even when you're discussing the deeper topics.
I feel like I can relate to Bilbo the most when it comes to LotR. I came back from a mobilization in Europe not too long ago, and it was my first one ever. There was a point where I was helping out at a maintenance center for battle damaged equipment coming back from a certain country that got invaded a couple years back (I’m trying not to get flagged by anyone, if you know you know). I’m not going to pretend that I did anything significant (I didn’t even turn wrenches) or that I was in any immediate danger, but that mission I was on was perhaps the best part of the mobilization. I felt like I had a spark self-actualization and I was helping out people (though rather in a small way) who lost their homes. Also Europe in general was so much more interesting than my hometown. When I got back, I was like “wow! This place is disappointing!” 😅
It stinks that these movies aren't better because there are legitimately great moments in them where you just want to know why isn't this what the whole movie is like. The opening scene in Bag End is positively delightful, it didn't have to try and ape the more epic Lord of the Rings films, it could have been a light adventure with loveable characters.
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Fun Fact! The two sides you talked about in the book is called 'something Took-ish'. As Tooks were the last name of his mother's family (and Pippin's from lotr) and were known for going on adventures.
I’m glad that despite the films’ short-comings you’re still able to find value in the great actors cast for these roles. Rewatching it all these years later now knowing that this trilogy wasn’t the best I still love Bilbo as a character.
Thank you for you’re service lol 🎉 i genuinely think you guys would enjoy dissecting master roshi from dragon ball z 🤟 also merry Christmas guys & editors & crew 🙏❤️
I work at hobbiton it is a truly magical place!
Bilbo is the personification of the quote: "Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear."
@@FlareHeart indeed!
"Bran thought about it. 'Can a man still be brave if he's afraid?'
'That is the only time a man can be brave,' his father told him."
That quote is something I remember when I’m feeling scared or nervous
Or the quote "courage us not the absence of fear, it's being afraid and doing it anyway" or something like that if I remember it right.
Bilbo carried the ring for decades and yet he still had the strength of will to give it up with minimal coercion. 100% Built Different.
Sauron hadn’t really come into much power then… and the Shire is so far away from Mordor. The ring isn’t as heavy of a burden as it becomes in the LOTR
@@alyssatheexcellentStill, it took a remarkable amount of strength to let it go. I think part of it is Bilbo never used the Ring for evil: he started his “ownership” with an act of mercy and later used it to save his friends and avoid his relatives. He never lost his integrity, and the Ring had very little to work with.
@@nancyhayes9958 "Avoid his relatives!" Yes, if only we all had a magical ring for that!😂😂Merry Christmas!
He also came into ownership of it without violence, which greatly helped.
As Gandalf once said, Bilbo began his ownership of the Ring with pity, rather than greed and murder, and that perhaps could’ve been a factor in its influence on him.
Martin Freeman was absolutely brilliant casting as Bilbo. He really embodied the relatively younger Hobbit, who simply wanted to sit in front of the fire with a good book, only to get roped into an unexpected adventure. The films may be divisive, but he was sublime.
Absolutely!!
In fairness, the main casts were superb in the Hobbit films. The actors who played Balin and Bofur definitely stood out to me. Richard Armitage, Martin Freeman, and Sir Ian McKellen... I mean, need I say more?
I have a lot of issues with the hobbit movies but one thing is for sure, Martin Freeman was the perfect pick to play Bilbo.
Agreed. It's a sad example of the sum being less than the parts. Cause there's a ton of good stuff in these movies, but on the whole they are a mess.
So much in this film was absolutely perfect, including casting, costumes, and set design, but the outcome was still a mess. I saw a fan-made re-edit where they cut the non-canon scenes and put some of the others in the right sequence and it was perfect.
I love the scene where Thorin thinks Bilbo is stealing something only to find it's an acorn, just that look of pure fondness for Bilbos gentle and caring nature.
underrated scene
And there was a moment that in Thorin’s dragon sickness lust for the Arkenstone, he was reeled back to his humanity just briefly.
@@madcapmakov2 his dwarfness*
thats all i could think about during "small acts of kindness keep evil at bay"
I think the reason Martin Freeman is so good as Bilbo is that he gets to play the role he's so good at: the normal guy in a bizarre situation. He did it as Tim in the original office and also has done it in Black Panther as Agent Ross. His quirks and mannerisms of 'what is happening' are what help make those characters so relatable and make the audience chuckle as well
John Watson in Sherlock Holmes BBC.
And Arthur Dent in Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy.
Great observation. I hadn’t noticed that link in his roles but it’s definitely there.
Or even a normal (and very polite) guy with a bizarre job assignment? Love Actually lol.
That’s exactly what I’ve always liked about his acting. He’s great at making ordinary normal characters interesting and memorable
If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. -j.r.r Tolkien.
😢 RIP Thorin, son of Thrain. King Under the Mountain
Says a man who was born rich and stayed there...
@bob1234881 not really, his father was a bankrupt piano tuner....
@@chronicler19 privately educated. 😆
@bob1234881 that doesn't make you born into wealth. Nor does it mean tolkien is lesser in moral standing because of it. It's no more moral to condemn someone for the circumstances of any amount of wealth one may have been born into than it is to condemn someone for being born poor. He had no choice in the matter, the difference is he made the most of it, not many can say that rich or poor.
I adore Tolkien’s universe. The Hobbit trilogy films may not have been for everyone, but I felt that they were beautiful despite it all. I have a special soft spot for them
Strongly seconded.
I like the Hobbit films. I still believe it could have just been ONE fantastic film, but I still enjoy them.
I just got the Lord of the Rings trilogy in beautiful hardcover. I'm so excited to FINALLY read it, the books of my favorite movies ❤️
@@RiveroftheWither I have that edition also!
I've always loved them, they're just such a comfort for me to watch.
Your comments about Bilbo's courage reminded me of this little verse by Danish mathematician Piet Hein:
"To be brave is to behave
bravely, when your heart is faint.
So you can be really brave
only when you really ain't."
That’s awesome
Wow, a 7-7-7-7 stanza, that's impressive. . . especially from a mathematician!
(Sorry, I'm on a short Haiku binge from watching too many Avatar: The Last Airbender reactions)
(Oh, and my grandfather was a university mathematics professor, mathematicians aren't exactly known for good poetry.)
Thank you for sharing this.
Shoutout to Ken Stott, the actor for Balin. He really serves as the moral compass among the group in the book, and embodies it perfectly in the films.
It’s interesting to see reactors who remember LOTR well enough to connect the tomb in Moria with the dwarf who is the heart of Thorin’s company. It’s a sad moment.
100% best dwarf. Even when the other dwarfs doubt Bilbo’s commitment, he’s the dwarf who always believes in Bilbo from beginning to end
I love his voice
@@ilovenycsomuch I just love him. When I was a kid first reading LOTR after reading the Hobbit, it broke my heart a little when they found Balin’s tomb.
Yes! Absolutely! I was just thinking that Balin was the best friend to Bilbo in the books, going so far as to visit with Bilbo in Bag End, five years after the Battle of Five Armies.
I think Peter Jackson did a great job showing that friendship.
Yes!! Bilbo is probably the most relatable fictional character I’ve ever read/watched. My man just wanted to stay at home and not die and honestly mood.
Merry Christmas y’all!
Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas. I hope you have lots of tasty dinners, comfortable chairs, and god books in the coming year.
@ thanks you too :)
@@nancyhayes9958 I'm not sure if you meant Gd books or good books, but 👍👍either way!
@@missnaomi613 LOL. What a great typo around Christmas. Have a beautiful day.
Whenever someone tries to say the Hobbit movies are bad. I always point out the “The Small Things” speech. It truly just feels like something Tolkien would write and it feels so true.
The actors and script were great, in my opinion. What was bad was the use of visual effects in areas where the Lord of the Rings films used prosthetics and makeup.
You can hundreds of brillant of moments but if you are unable to tie them together you have failed to create a story
@BioshadowX Exactly! That's what makes it so disappointing, there are so many truly fantastic moments that are brutally ruined by things like Alfred, scrotum beards and barrel scenes 👎
There were parts of it that worked and parts that didn’t.
pretty sure that speech was written by Tolkien.
Shout out to Richard Armitage as Thorin, Lee Pace as Thranduil, and Luke Evans as Bard for three of the most insanely good casting decisions I've seen for any LotR adaption. Thranduil in particular is THE haughty elf lord, like Viggo is THE Aragorn II Elessar.
Bless you for this. Richard Armitage is supremely underrated.
@@MorwenAncalimeAbsolutely! I think a lot of people sleep on him because he does a lot more stage work and less Hollywood.
The casting of these films, as usual, is second to none. Richard Armitage in particular deserves so much credit, that he seldom gets. In a broader way, I hate when people say that the passion and care that went into LOTR isn't there in The Hobbit films. It absolutely is. You can SEE it in all the details, and especially in the performances. (What The Hobbit films did not have, that LOTR did, was time. And a few other issues, yes, that are more complicated to summarize.) I feel like, even if you don't watch the BTS stuff, you CAN feel the passion in these performances. RA was deeply committed to the story and the role, AND he's an underrated actor.
I also know that people had some issues with some of the choices made for the dwarf characters. But overall, I don't think the films get enough credit for taking THIRTEEN dwarves and making them all distinct personalities. (Granted, most viewers will probably only be able to identify six or seven of them... but you have only to look at past adaptations to appreciate that previously, you'd be lucky if two or so made any impression on you -- Thorin, and perhaps Balin.) Kudos to the props and costuming and make-up for them, but also to all of the actors who were very committed to developing these characters. I do sometimes wonder if part of the reason Armitage and the others don't get as much credit is because they were so heavily made up... but then you have to admire the acting they did THROUGH all of those prostheses and so on.
I love Lee Pace. He is stunning and could absolutely always play a handsome, leading man type, but he chooses instead to play all these interesting roles where he’s often buried under so much makeup he’s unrecognizable. And I also loved Pushing Daisies.
One of the most upsetting aspects of the films for me was finding out that Richard felt like he was doing a bad job playing Thorin during the filming, but imo he's one of the best cast actors and I felt he portrayed Thorin very well, especially in his expression work. I loved him in the Hobbit movies- I wish he knew how much people appreciated his work.
Always said it, watching Lord of the Rings and Hobbits throughout christmas is just perfect holiday entertainment.
They embody what Christmas truly is.
Something I would add is that Bilbo's lines about home at 13:38 are a call back to his conversation with Bofur just before they get captured by goblins. Bilbo's about to leave because he's way over his head, the dwarves all seem to think he's not going to be any help and he agrees with them, and when Bofur catches him packing up to go, it feels very significant that he isn't angry with Bilbo. It's a lot like Moana and her grandmother's scene, in that he doesn't shame Bilbo for finding it all too much to cope with - which weirdly then leads Bilbo to choose to go back and see it through .
26:15 “How could I hate more time in Middle Earth?” THANK YOU. It’s not perfect, but he did the best he could with what he was allowed. No matter what people think of The Hobbit movies, they’re chef’s kiss compared to Rings of Power.
ROP is getting better.
@ whatever makes you happy 😅 I thought season 2 was just as awful, if not more. The world feels so much smaller and unimpressive with Amazon’s treatment vs Jackson’s.
@ I’ll agree with that (Jackson being world’s better than Amazon) but I liked watching Sauron and Celebrimbor chew the scenery.
I liked getting to see how manipulative Sauron could be, as we only got a small taste at the end of season one
As they pointed out with that montage at the end -- PJ can make questionable decisions about what to include, or how to approach some things. So, not ALL of the things that people dislike about the movies is solely down to studio interference. It's just that, for me, everything I loved about these movies outweighs the parts I didn't like. I do wish we could know what they would have been like if PJ had gotten to do them as 2 movies, as he wished. That alone would have made them tighter. In the end, though, the parts that felt very much like Tolkien (and of course, the parts that WERE Tolkien -- PJ once again trying to use as much from the book as he could) were a thread through all the films. You can't write that "Small Things" speech if you don't *get* Tolkien. (And that's my chief problem with RoP.). Plus of course: phenomenal cast.
(I also wonder if we would have gotten more location shooting and so on, rather than CGI, if they'd been given the same time as LOTR. Even so, the costuming and sets and so on are gorgeous and still show that passion and attention to detail as before.)
the all caps title had me reading it like Gandalf being outraged that he's been taken for some conjurer of cheap tricks
🤣🤣 Brilliant
They are not trying to rob us! They are trying to help us!
This is so funny 😭😭😭
Did you hear Gandalf's voice when you read it?
... "Gandalf said calmly"
As much as I love LOTR, I felt more connected to Bilbo than I ever did with Frodo. Bilbo very much felt like his own person. As much as I hate rewatching the whole Tauriel romance business, I love to rewatch Bilbo struggling to understand and connect with the dwarves. It’s reason I keep coming back to the hobbit. It has it’s charm despite its flaws.
I remember seeing these movies in theaters when they came out and It’s still something I cherish.❤
Sounds like you should google up some of the fan-edits that remove all the trash from the movies and make it what it should have been...
My "adventure" was joining the US Navy. I did 4 years of a 6 year contract and got out because of mental health reasons.
On Christmas Eve I was talking with my sister and brother-in-law and the conversation came around to military theme songs for the different branches. After "Anchors Away" came up in the conversation, my sister ask me essentially if the song triggered a trauma response for my time in the service. She was expressing genuine concern. I expressed to her that despite the trials I experienced and how it ended, I couldn't bring myself to regret it or wish it never happened. It's part of my life story that brought me to where I was and who I am. I also met so many people who were wonderful people, and I'm glad for them to have touched my life.
I'm glad to have shared in that peril.
I was a massive shut-in whose only comforts were video games and dnd. Over the past year I changed my career, lost 35lbs, got a car, completely changed my social life and even jumped out of a plane. I relate to Bilbo on a spiritual level.
As a massive fan of the original Lord of the Rings I understand there are issues with The Hobbit. However, I agree with Jonathan that the fault is with the studio more than Peter Jackson....and there is still so much to enjoy with these movies. Martin Freeman's best role, Ian McKellen IS Gandalf, the Shire is as beautiful as ever....and can we please appreciate the awesome design of Smaug. 🔥
Absolutely!!! ❤
Yes!! And Benedict Cumberbatch (Doctor Strange) did such an incredible job as Smaug!!
I watched the second movie in the theater and in general, we had people cheering and enjoying the movie but in the scene where Smaug rises from the gold and starts to speak, I swear you could hear a pin drop. The whole theater room was just dead silence in awe. Smaug was done brilliantly and was fantastic to watch!
@@hobbytinkerer6736 Agree 😊
Agree! The studio's 'need' for it to be a trilogy, leading to so much padding and drawing from the Silmarillion, brought them down.
"It's the small things. Everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keeps the darkness at bay. Simple acts of kindness and love." This advice guided me through helping take care of my mother while she struggled with cancer for 8 years.
"So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you." This advice is helping me get through my mother passing away last February.
Gandalf's words of wisdom are truly worth paying attention to.
So sorry for your loss
6:38 as a 14 year old, reading the hobbit for the first time, I didn’t really appreciate his “boring Baggins” side. As I grew up I realized just how important it was for him.
Talking of Martin Freeman… would love to see you guys’ take on Sherlock .. both Holmes and Watson. I know it’s not strictly ‘cinema’ but would love to see an exception 😂
Well, each episode is like an hour and a half, so they're basically films.
10:55 This line was really formative for me. It shaped how I approach the world and really made me realize that even though I am not a rich, powerful man, I can still make a difference by making someone elses life just that little bit better than it might otherwise have been. In a world full of greedy evil people and rouge algorithms profiting off of division, bitterness and hatred, taking the time to remind someone that there is actually good out there can be incredibly powerful.
Jonos's reaction to Alan singing "Bilbo Baggins" was SOOOOO funny. I loved that. My poor hubby is watching It's a "Wonderful Life" during one of its many emotional scenes and I am sitting beside him laughing my rear off at Jono. I was getting the strangest look from my Hubbins, LOL.
Oh, this is PERFECT as a Christmas Eve video.
We’re going on an adventure!! ❤
Yes, I know, the meme
I think what always struck me about the first Hobbit film in particular, and maybe it's how Martin Freeman portrays Bilbo -- who is my favourite Hobbit by the way -- is that he is lonely. The fact that he keeps telling the Dwarves not to touch his mother's things, or his family's, aside from the Sackville-Baggins, the Tooks of course, and eventually Frodo's family, Bilbo is the only one of his immediate family left. He outlived his parents, he has no wife or children, and he just sits in Bag End. Yes, he's comfortable with his books and maps and learning -- which he augments later when he gets to know the Elves and Rivendell -- and he's friendly with his neighbours and townfolk but there is always a distance there. Maybe it is the Took part of him that wants to go off to grand adventures and far off vistas in his head, and the Baggins part that wants to remain comfortable and safe and stable, but he looks like he never really lets anyone, or anything, truly *in* if you know what I mean.
Then Gandalf and the Dwarves come in, and they are obnoxious and loud and the outside world that Bilbo both fears for what it can take away, and is secretly still excited about -- that sense of adventure -- and they also honourable, and filled with mirth and music and comradery. And then they are almost gone, leaving his Hobbit Hole clean again, the loneliness sets in that was the contrast to the peaceful solitude that he convinced himself he had ... and the opportunity of a lifetime with its perils and treasures gone with it, and Bilbo ... just has to go. He has to go on an adventure. I will never forget at the end of Return of the King that line of his, when he is old and frail, still alive even without the Ring, having lost but also had friends and family in the company he kept and Frodo when he says "I think I'm quite ready for another adventure." And I felt that. Thank you for doing this video.
One thing I'm surprised wasn't mentioned was the acorn reveal scene. How we see Thorin soften up, like the sickness lost hold of him. How Bilbo's simple souvenir almost broke Thorin's gold/dragon sickness. That's another reason Bilbo does this, because he knows that this crack could happen again
I can relate to Bilbo as I’m a total introvert. Video games and movies are my comforts. I’m 41 years old and hadn’t done much in my life. I had always dreamt of traveling the world, but couldn’t afford it. A couple years ago I took a 6 day vacation In Tokyo and it changed me. I was scared of flying and I was scared when I got there because I was alone in a foreign country. But after a few days there when the jet lag wore off, I began to have fun on my biggest adventure of my life. And I can’t wait to do it all again in Europe or the UK
Enjoy!
Right there with you. Congratulations on expanding your horizons.
@@markbrierley6367 thanks
Damn the editor for putting the Bilbo jumpscare in the intro
How rude!
I'm sorry I thought that was hysterical, but also yeah, r00d. :D
The scariest part of the movies
I've been to Hobbiton and eaten dinner at the Green Dragon and it was the best thing I've done. I even have a recording of me doing a reenactment of Bilbo running through that path where he says the "I'm going on an adventure." It was absolutely awesome. Even ti learn the little tidbits like they remade the tree above Bilbo's home leaf by leaf to make it look similar. After lotr the entire tree above the Baggins household is fake.
I've been too and agree it's just so magical! Just the fact they really do grow some fruit and vegetables in Hobbiton to use in the Green Dragon and the guides are all brilliant.
This last year was the most horrible I've ever experienced. I've witnessed so much deaths, so much senseless hate, to much destruction, so much unfairness and cruelty. Living a war is the most horrible experience I don't wish my worse enemies. It is stories like this that give me courage, and it's experiencing war that made me appreciate so much my mundane, boring life.
it has been absolutely horrible seeing the way people respond to war. it makes me sick to my stomach when they try to justify genocide. this is only promoted by the most deeply dangerous mentally insane people on the planet and anyone who agrees with it needs to go to the front lines and see what exactly they're proudly claiming their God wants them to participate in. it's not always the good guys who are getting the good publicity.
I like to think that Bilbo always had a sense of justice. He was perfectly content and everything was right with his world. When Gandalf expanded his world to the dwarves, Bilbo tried to turn a blind eye. But his sense of they don't have a home and I do and it isn't right their home was stolen from them pushed him to go on this adventure. He knew his limitations. But he was very quick witted and could either talk or hide from the situation long enough to do what was necessary. Even his compassion with Golem. He knew it wouldn't be right to kill a creature who's mind was so poisoned by loneliness, a fate Bilbo could see in himself if he didn't allow his world to expand.
It definitely has occurred to me that Bilbo is kind of a stand-in for many of us who hide or escape from our true natures by taking the easy way over the beneficial way. And he also represents the person who pushes through and realizes (afterwards) that the risk was worth it in a way that is hard to articulate.
As usual, I find this video so timely! Every other year, I re-read the Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. And, well, it's that time again: I just got done with the Hobbit and Fellowship. What a coincidence!
The Hobbit Trilogy is so underrated!
Sure, it could have been compressed into like 2 movies but I did not mind at all! :D
I think one film would be okay, then make a film about the important stuff they left out in the Lord of the Ring movies!
I loved the scene at 13:05. Bilbo realized that he has somewhere to go home to. That's something he's always had. The Dwarves home was taken from them and he's never had to deal with that. So more than anything he wanted to give them the feeling he's always had. A home to go back to
Video about the main character of my favorite book/movie?!!! Now THAT'S a Christmas present!!!
Side note- My favorite thing about Bilbo is that he has second thoughts and regrets. Every other hero does the heroic thing and shoves down any misery because 'it's the right thing to do'. Over and over again in the book Bilbo complains about the weather, how he misses his home, how cold he is- but he keeps going anyways. Personally I think that's both more realistic and more meaningful then just pretending bad things don't exist in good places.
I always love seeing Jonathan and Alan get excited over the acting, cinematography or soundtrack. Their enthusiasm is simply infectious. 🥰🎭
The Lady of Mourning, Nienna, taught Olorin, Gandalf, the meaning of mercy. He taught Bilbo.
Without Bilbo sparing Gollum, Sauron would have prevailed seventy-eight years later!
Mercy saved Middle-earth.
The smallest gestures of kindness and care towards anyone in this depressing world can make a big difference. Maybe if we learned to love our fellow man the world would be a little better to live in
Whenever a character from LOTR / the Hobbit is discussed here am the happiest ever. There is just so much depth, meaningful moments and comforting lessons also it is on Christmas Eve 🎄
Bilbo was such a relatable character on a personal level .
I was not expecting to geek out so much when Alan started singing “Bilbo Baggins” by Leonard Nimoy.
I discovered that song by complete accident years ago while watching a movie tribute to the animated Hobbit film.
It’s such a silly song, but the music video for it is EVEN sillier.
Hope you and your family have a safe and wonderful Christmas and a Happy New Year
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That first scene when he flees the Shire with ambition is simple sublime
The Hobbit films are very respectable films, and that’s a hill I will die on.
I wouldn't call them trash; strung out definitely (this probably could have been two movies), but it's competent and still fun.
My favorite part of it is they fell behind schedule one point because Christopher Lee started sharing stories between takes and everyone stopped shooting to listen to him speak.
Peter Jackson wanted them to be 2 movies. It was the studio that mandated they be 3, because they wanted the additional revenue that a trilogy would bring. (And they wanted to replicate the experience of LOTR.). I think one of the great unanswerable questions is what they would have been like as 2 movies. I will definitely go to bat to argue that they could not have been just one. (The book is short, but that's because it's written in a breezy style that often conveys major pieces of action in a paragraph or two. That fits its storytelling style, but you can't do that in a movie. You have to show those things unfolding, and that takes up time.)
(Funny story: when we were hearing about the movies in development, and at that time thought they'd be 2 films, I was talking with some friends, and I was making the argument they needed more than 1 movie, based on what I just said above. I ran through all of the major beats: you have to do the opening in the Shire, you have to do the Trolls sequence, you have to do Rivendell, and then the Goblin caves, the whole Gollum sequence, the attack by the goblins and wargs (with the pine trees), then Beorn's house, then Mirkwood and the spiders, then imprisonment by Thranduil and the barrels escape, then Laketown, and that's before you even GET to the dragon... And one friend, who hadn't read the book since she was very young, burst out, "THERE'S A DRAGON???" I fell over laughing. Imagine FORGETTING the dragon! That's the whole POINT! (Anyway... and then you have to get into the mountain, and then there's all the stuff with the dragon, and then the Arkenstone, and then the Battle of the Five Armies, which you can't get away with breezing past because you've knocked Bilbo unconscious. That's a LOT of story pieces! I honestly don't think even a 3 hour movie could have done it, and by the time you're looking at a 3 hour movie, you might as well do 2 movies and let some of those pieces breathe a bit. Unfortunately, once 3 movies were mandated, there was far too much time to fill.)
That was very well put! I've been thinking about this a lot recently as I reread the Hobbit. I agree 2 films would've been perfect. Unexpected Journey definitely had the best pacing and least fluff, and could've done with trimming here and there (like that long Misty Mountain escape), and I think still fit in Beorn, at about 3 hours. The Bree scene from DoS could be put in the prologue (maybe extended version idk). I picture the 1st film ending with them entering Mirkwood and the camera panning up over the trees to the Lonely Mountain. Sounds like I'm leaving a lot for the 2nd movie, but not really once you remove all the usually mentioned stuff (Tauriel, Legolas, gratuitous fight scenes, freakin' Alfrid), and condense the BotFA (I agree with you it needed to be fleshed out, but not a whole movie). I think you could even keep the Dol Guldor subplot, just cut the pit stop @ Rhudaur. If u followed those beats, it'd be no longer than RotK theatrical. I'd like to hear your thoughts tho.
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@@gryphonvert I mean the '78 animated film did it in what, 90 minutes? and the only big things they left out were Beorn and the Arkenstone (although the battle of 5 armies was maybe a bit rushed... still better than the overdone mess that was in Jackson's movies). So, I think it could have been done in one 2.5 hour movie... There are fan-edits of Jackson's movies that have cut it down to the length of one long movie and are great... Although, I think two shorter movies might have been fine...
That’s what I’ve always liked about Bilbo while growing up. He’s like me and I assume most of us, that we’re stuck between staying home and going on adventures. The duality of each trying to define who I am, but Bilbo finds the balance. And that’s what I strive to do in my life. Whether it’s something simple like going on a hike, or something big like traveling to another destination. I’m trying to achieve that balance where I earn that euphoric feeling of coming home after a long trip. It’s the best feeling.
"That's a positive outlook" is my new favorite response to defenders of the Hobbit trilogy.
The fact that Gandalf is one of the Maiar (he existed before the world was created) and he finds courage and comfort in simple acts of kindness and in Bilbo's bravery in the face of hardship is beautiful to me. The guy is a god-like creature yet he cherishes small and seemingly unimportant things because he knows they are anything but.
Your show does not suck. It helps me and others in so many ways. I am glad for all those things you share.
The Hobbit book holds a special place in my heart. My father would read it as a bedtime story to me. Even if it wasn't intentional, it was a stone in the pyramid of what gave me such a love for fantasy stories.
Speaking of little touches, 9:15 is such a perfect little bit by Mr. Freeman. That look and glance at Gandalf where his Took and Baggins start fighting, like "Holy SHIT, he's giving me a SWORD, but oh, I can't." Then you can hear the Took side win because the only other justification he uses from there is that he's never used a sword before. Not that it's barbaric, not that it's uncivilized, but that he's just never done it before. He WANTS to carry Sting, but at this point he's more worried about being judged by the Dwarves than leaving his comfort zone
Glad this is a safe haven to enjoy the Hobbit movies
Not gonna say it were great, but I do have a soft spot for the Hobbit trilogy. And Bilbo is a big part of that.
I love seeing Bilbo fall in love with Rivendell.
That moment when Bilbo says he has a home and wants to help the dwarves get theirs back, and Thorin (Richard Armitage) drops his eyes for a moment was a nice touch. It's as if he's looked into the face of selflessness for the first time and almost can't bear it.
Oh, Lordy, I had Nimoy's album back in the day and when Alan started singing, it took me back.
Oh this is the best for christmas, thank you so very much!
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to everybody!
Merry Christmas!
Yessss!!!! Thank you cinema therapy!!! Been waiting for this one
You're so welcome. Enjoy!
5:31 this is still probably the most ahead of it’s time bit of dialogue in like the last 20 years
13:15 this is my favorite scene I think- i really enjoy the several breaths that biblo calculates exactly what he wants to say, and then he really gives Thorin the reality check he needed.
When I see the “I’m going on an adventure!” scene I start sobbing uncontrollably. When I hear the last talk between Thorin and Bilbo, I’m bawling my eyes out. The way this little hobbit and his immense struggle for the good of others speaks to me is beyond explaining. I personally connect to him much more than to Frodo. His journey feels so real and so common, with being judged for your right actions, not knowing whether your decisions were sound, eternally longing for an adventure. Seeing Bilbo return home after the biggest adventure of his life, having lost so much in the process, I feel the loss he feels.
Richard Armitage is GROSSLY UNDERRATED. He's an amazing actor and I feel he's never given enough credit. And Thorin Oakenshield is one of his best roles - absolutely perfect for the self-professed "broody" actor!
I’m going on an adventure!
We all are!
I was literally just thinking about you guys doing this!!!! Bilbo is one of my favorite characters in fiction, and his journey is very relatable and inspiring!!
“That’s where I belong. That’s home. And that’s why I came back because… you don’t have one. It was taken from you. But I will help you take it back if I can.”
Thank you for doing a video on Bilbo. I made a comment to have a video about him, but people were saying that the Hobbit trilogy were awful and that you guys shouldn’t do it. Well, even if those comments were said, you and many others see the good of these films. Bilbo is definitely a great character and what a great Christmas gift to receive from you guys. So thank you again! And Merry Christmas! 🎁
His home is right there at the Shire waiting for him, but for the dwarves their home is right in front of them and they can't reach it
Thank you for this Christmas present! All 6 films have such a special place in my film library.
RIP Ian Holm (even though he’s LOTR and not The Hobbit).
May your trip to NZ be fulfilled!
And thank you for the bonus present of The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins! 🖖
Oh, but he's in The Hobbit films as well 😊
The 'I'm going on an adventure' gif, is what I post to my fb pretty much whenever I leave my house. Haha
I think the scene after the dwarves have left is so beautiful in it's own way. The lack of colour, the home seeming so big and empty, Bilbo slowly losing the pep in his step. It is such a good showcase of that nagging dread of knowing you missed out on something. Then into the wide sweeping shots of Hobiton full of colour as Bilbo once again runs full of excitement. It is such a good little mini story in that short sequence.
I'm so glad that you guy's did a bit on the Hobbit trilogy. It frustrates me when average viewers thought the Hobbit was horrible, but thought that ROP was better (it really WASN'T and you all know this!) and yet still has genuine moments like these calling back to the familiar "Concerning Hobbits" track. You can't deny that PJ was still trying his best to immerse us back to Middle Earth despite the greedy studio and production executives setting him up for the most backhanded trap of all! All of the behind the scenes footage was PROOF enough that he was done dirty. The Hobbit trilogy (although it shouldn't have been a trilogy) still counts in honoring Tolkein. Moreso than the desecration that ROP can hope to ever accomplish.
Yay!! A new Cinema Therapy! Merry Christmas to us viewers!
Oh my gosh YES!! I absolutely love these movies. I kinda het the “hate” around tye extra characters, but I do NOT get the haters that say they’re an irredeemable dumpster fire.
Of course they’re not as good as the original LOTR films… But there’s so many great things about them! Not the least of which is Martin Freeman as Bilbo. The casting literally couldn’t have been better, he makes me laugh AND CRY every single time I watch these movies.
In fact, the casting across the BOARD is phenomenal.
I’ve just never been that bothered by the extra characters and plot lines. 🤷🏻♀️ They’re not my favorite parts of the movies, but they’re not THAT bad.
I can rant with the best of them, but these movies have moments of brilliance and heart. They aren’t as good as LOTR, but it’s the difference between an A and a B+.
I said that these movies are what he lived through while the book is what he tells people happened. The deaths of Thorin Fili and Kili still bring me to tears. And I knew it was going to happen.
We connect through our shared experiences. I wouldn't give up my years of trauma, because they shaped me into the loving, kind and caring person I am. In my life I strive to use my trauma to help as many people as I can, and that's also why I love this show.
After recently having re-watched the movies for the first time, I must admit there is much more in them that I appreciate now then I did 10years ago. And yes, Bilbo, and his relationship to everyone, is the single best thing.
I was hitchhiking to the next state and was picked up by a man who said I reminded him of Bilbo .
Love cinema therapy
i just watched these for the first time recently and as someone that is currently struggling after a house fire from over a year ago that "because you don't have a home" speech gets me in the feels big time.
"He feels summoned by the subject matter" -- well, you DO keep saying his name.... 😁
11:24 This, for me, confirms something from the books- Olorin/Gandalf was afraid to go to Middle Earth either just prior to or during the War of Wrath. Yet he was convinced that that very fear was the reason he had to go to begin with. Also, Gandalf at this point is in possession of the Elven ring of Courage (Vilya or Narya I can't remember), yet he finds more courage in a hobbit. To me, Hobbits with the wanderlust like Bilbo share Gandalf's initial fear of setting foot in a new, unfamiliar land and that is also why Gandalf is called "friend to hobbits"; he relates to them in a way that very few, like Bullroarer and Bilbo, can see
NOW THAT'S A CHRISTMAS GIFT. I love The Hobbit more than LOTR, and I'm so happy!!
Awww when Gandalf showed up in the middle of the episode. What a good boy. 🐶🤎
Side note: I balled like a baby in theaters when Thorin died and both Martin Freeman and Richard Armitage's acting during that whole scene was so good. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
YES , FINALLY! I'VE ASKED YOU GUYS TO MAKE THIS VIDEO WHEN I JOINED YOUR DISCORD SERVER AND THIS IS THE BEST CHRISTMAS PRESENT EVER 🎉
I love that you mention the two sides of Bilbo! Throughout the book he thinks about how much he misses home and the “narrator” says “and not for the last time.” Eventually it’s no longer there but you know he still feels and thinks it, the best change the moves made was putting that part of Bilbo at the front of his character. His love of his home being a motivational factor for him staying with the dwarves was a simple but masterful bit of storytelling told subtly in the book and made grand for the screen.
Such a great episode! One about Thorin would be fascinating
I'm so glad you guys did this episode
I've always related to Bilbo with a Tookish side craving adventure in the great wide somewhere and a Baggins side that just wants to make my home cozy and take comfort in the small things.
(Also, my opinion on the movies that no one asked for: the 4 hour cut can take out the scenes that din't make any sense, but it can't add the things that were never shot. Like Bilbo's extended riddle time with Dragon Sherlock or Fili and Kili dying shielding Thorin with their bodies. But love Freeman as Bilbo)
12:27 I really like this moment in the film. He's stuck in this horrible spider-infested forest with no hope in sight, but he climbs above it to see one of the most beautiful sights in his whole adventure. A brief moment to remind him that this forest isn't the whole world. It's just one awful part of it.
It's most important because of how big of a theme hope is in Tolkien's works. It shows to me that even for all its flaws, The Hobbit still understands the core of the series.
0:54 ring obssessed golum-like Bilbo!
GOT JUMP SCARED😂
My husband and I went to Hobbiton on our trip to New Zealand. It’s just as magical as you’d imagine! Do the dinner tour! It’s amazing!
No way! I literally just watched the hobbit for the first time LAST NIGHT! I watched them twice lmao! Very cool thanks guys!
Love this! Sometimes the smallest person can make the biggest difference.
“The world is not in your books or maps. It’s out there.” That very quote from Gandalf to Biblo is what inspired me to move to Utah out of nowhere, see a different side of the world compared to my small town. My small town is like the Shire except far more ghetto. And Utah, Wyoming, Nevada became my adventure including driving across the country. I never thought that would ever happen and it did. The Hobbit movies may not be the best however it has its gems. The actor of Biblo is definitely one of those gems. Love your channel. Thanks for uploading.
The Hobbit trilogy holds a special place in my heart because when An Unexpected Journey premiered in 2012, by that time I really was into the LOTR films after not really being that into them until Thanksgiving of 2009 when I was old enough to understand what was happening. Martin Freeman as Bilbo understood the assignment! And can we get a Psychology of a Hero episode on Thorin? Because that would be cool; taking care of his people, greed, revenge, etc.
Side note: the actor that plays the Orc Azog, Manu Bennett, is the same actor who portrays Slade Wilson/Deathstroke in Arrow, Crixus in the Starz series Spartacus, and starred alongside Austin Butler in The Shannara Chronicles.
I loved Alan singing "The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins!" That was GREAT! I don't know how other viewers of your channel feel, but I think you guys are doing an awesome job! You always inject just the right amount of silliness for the audience, even when you're discussing the deeper topics.
I feel like I can relate to Bilbo the most when it comes to LotR. I came back from a mobilization in Europe not too long ago, and it was my first one ever. There was a point where I was helping out at a maintenance center for battle damaged equipment coming back from a certain country that got invaded a couple years back (I’m trying not to get flagged by anyone, if you know you know). I’m not going to pretend that I did anything significant (I didn’t even turn wrenches) or that I was in any immediate danger, but that mission I was on was perhaps the best part of the mobilization. I felt like I had a spark self-actualization and I was helping out people (though rather in a small way) who lost their homes.
Also Europe in general was so much more interesting than my hometown. When I got back, I was like “wow! This place is disappointing!” 😅
This past year has been really tough for me. Knowing I can still laugh at/with the both of you has really helped me get through this year.
Thank you for doing one of these videos for one of my all time favorite characters. This video feels like an early Christmas gift to me
Nobody does a better "You have GOT to be kidding me" turn than Martin Freeman.
It stinks that these movies aren't better because there are legitimately great moments in them where you just want to know why isn't this what the whole movie is like. The opening scene in Bag End is positively delightful, it didn't have to try and ape the more epic Lord of the Rings films, it could have been a light adventure with loveable characters.
I just finished my annual re-read of The Hobbit so this is PERFECT timing, merry Christmas!
Petition to hear Alan sing a full version of the Bilbo Baggins song. 😅
oh my gosh, that was so unexpected.
That was amazing. 😂