I commented right away when clicking on the video and now watching it further and hearing your thoughts (which I've figured were similar) and you giving actual receipts from Reeves' statement, I wish there was a ❤button to press!! Fantastic video brother 👍🏻
*Interesting video, **#BobaTalks**! IF they do use a version of the villain, Clayface, Matt Reeves could use the Dr. Payton Payne version of Clayface from Arkham: A Serious House on Serious Earth version and James Gunn could use any other versions of Clayface in the Batman: The Brave and the Bold DCU film and sequels!* ;D
I think the first movie proved we can trust Matt Reeves with these characters. I don’t care which version we get. I just can’t wait to see which way the story will go and how it will all play out.
I just didn’t like the costume.. the characterisation was perfect - but they costume I didn’t like - but I could see him wearing the suit and question marks in the future
I like clayface so I personally would like the dcu to do clayface. The Batman will eventually make their own bad guys and I like that. But let someone who likes the characters to play them
@@milosbatmanvideos the riddler was awesome. The zodiac was a great comparison. I’m against clayface because there’s no real life version of him. It’ll waste the opportunity the dcu has to introduce him. The only idea I had that’s far fetched is ed gain. Because he uses other faces to be them. But that’s not clayface. It is however the first version of him. But I think that was 1 comic where he looked normal
I think Matt Reeves' version of clay face could be somewhere in the middle of hyper realism and comic book fantasy. Like, perhaps his face is the only part of him that can be morphed, maybe we could get a scene with him Infront of a mirror, manually pushing and manipulating his face, sculpting it like clay. I think that would be both really cool and really creepy.
Yeah maybe even something simple like a burn victim. Same as Freeze I'd figure he'd have gangrene or frostbite. Collin Farrel did praise the makeup artist AGAIN when he started shooting Penguin and I don't think he was talking about his own again 😁 And Maroni was casted so we can easily get Two Face needing a miracle cure like Renuyu funded by Renewal that fails , creates Clayface and leaves Dent to remain as he is .. Two Face. Throw Scarface in there as we got a city of 3 Faces instead of 3 Jokers
I think that having the golden age style inspired clayface could be really interesting. I think a good way to do this would be to make him the ultimate master of disguise. They could make him able to shift and morph his clay mask to allow him to look like anyone he wants to. This concept could even be extended to more parts other than just the mask and have him use clay prosthetics to change him proportions as well. They could also make him an expert impressionist so he can mimic anyone's voice and further disguise himself. For example, he could disguise himself as a mob boss's guard in order to get alone with said mob boss and kill them. He could even disguise himself as pre-established characters like Penguin or Gordon. He could also have his mask make him look more monstrous to scare his victims before he kills them. And if they really wanted to go with the clay gimmick, they could make it so the weapons he uses are made out of hardened clay. So overall, I think this version of clayface could have a lot of potential.
Before I knew of the Golden Age Clayface, that's pretty much what I thought a grounded version of him would be like. A master of disguise and mimicry, using clay as a medium to impose as someone else. It certainly would still remain true to Clayfaces' current version as a shapeshifter but on a more realistic scale.
Such great theories and breakdown, and of course thank you for the love and featuring my work! I completely agree that if Matt were to utilize clayface he would be a more realistic serial killer. I love seeing new takes ok iconic characters, and for those who want to see a monster clayface, there’s a VERY good chance we could see that in James Gunn’s DCU! Best of both worlds
I want him to be the golden age version! I picture a House of Wax kind of serial killer, like Vincent. It could be creepy af and still realistic. Vincent had a disfigurement and filled in his face with wax and killed people to be wax figures in his museum. It doesn’t have to be copy and paste, but I could totally see something like that in the Reeves movies
I like to think Reeves is making a horror-centered Batman franchise. He made The Riddler a Zodiac/Jigsaw-esque killer, so imagine if he made Clayface in the same vein of The Thing or Frankenstein?
I really appreciate your detailed and thorough reporting on this! There is a LOT of misinformation out there with people running with the headline but not looking at the original quote. Thanks so much for breaking this down in such a contextual manner - it matters very much what Reeves has said before, and many aren't taking that into account. A golden age-themed Clayface would be a really interesting villain to explore the theme of identity, which could be key in the next movie. Bruce has learned that he needs to be a symbol of hope to the people, but how should he do that? Who is he going forward? Putting on the cowl and suit make him someone different than Bruce, but who is that? Who is Bruce when he's not Batman? You could mirror that theme with a Clayface in some kind of mask essentially becoming someone or something else as well.
I am so interested to see what Reeves does with Clayface (If it happens), at first I thought the sequel could include freeze with croc, since they would utilize the flud to the fullest, but now I think clayface and freeze could work well in the film or even scarecrow and clayface since the fear gas would make clayface appear huge and monsterius.
I agree 100%. Not only does Reeves want to keep it grounded, he also loves the Golden Age Batman comics. It makes perfect sense. I think it’d be part of a wider story involving other rogues, but he’d definitely go Golden Age inspired.
I think it would be interesting to see clay face as an actor/makeup artist and have him make his own prosthetics and clothing throughout the movie and he can be in a lot of scenes that we don’t even think he’s in. He can be everywhere and nowhere at the same time, messing with Batman without Batman knowing who is doing things to him. I think that would be an interesting villain for Batman to face.
i really love your make-up special effect artist approach since basil karlo was a actor , you can even go with him having a disease like bells palsy that affects his face and gives him a droopy look (even claiming thats how he got his "clayface" nickname which he loathes) and he uses prosthetics and makeup to hide his illness
The first film felt so grounded but I’d love to see some meta-humans if they think they can pull it off. I don’t see Clayface as a main villain. He’d be a great secondary villain though.
I trust Reeves to pull off Clayface. I’m sensing for the first two acts, a serial killer House of Wax vibe then finally a third act where Clayface is a complete horror monster vibe like the Thing
I want a Golden Age Clayface that uses hyper realistic prosthetics/makeup to change his identity throughout the film. Have Mike Marino do the same kind of transformative work on his appearance as he did for Colin Farrell.
People tend to forget that grounded and realism aren’t the same realism is breaking down the characters to fit into the real world grounded is to make them fit in the universe that they are building the Arkham games grounded characters but they were never stripped of their fantastical elements And imagine in the Batman part 2 hush and clayface work together and in the end we find out that clayface was never found and he’s now a deformed monster who will return in a monsterous clayface form
@@BobaTalks I wouldn’t be mad I’m fine with him being golden age clayface but I’m hoping that he could slowly become the clay monster or in a third movie but if he doesn’t I’m happy either way I’m all in reeves batverse 💯💯
Rather than having clayface as the main villain, I think it would be cool if they made Hush the main villain with clayface teaming up with him, just like in the comic. That's just me tho🤷🏽♂️ I just hope Mr Freeze is used in the 3rd if he's not in the 2nd
If this is true, then I believe Reeves will go with Clayface's origin when he was very first introduced and keep it in real form. There's no way he's going with the fantastical direction in his universe.
He will and I’m kinda let down cuz it’s really just a nod to the character to give him an obscure one Time version of him to use the name. The riddler was great. A great version but there’s no real life version of clayface. Unless hes using other people’s skin. But that’s still a new character
This and Mr. Freeze in the next sequel whould make a banger trilogy. First one was a detective thriller, this one could be a horror mystery and the third one a tragic romance. THE SUPERIOR BATMAN TRILOGY.
I love that we are getting this grounded exploration through the Reeves stuff and I agree with you 100% about how they'll approach Clayface. So much potential Either way i love these grounder character explorations. I want to see the eco-terrorist version of Poison Ivy like she was in the animated series.
Batman part 3, or arkham series Professor Hugo Strage as the main villian, played by (Dave Bautista) End fight scene, the professor takes off his Lab coat, and he's some muscular beast underneath 🤯🤯🤯
The Golden Age version would really fit the detective focus in the Reeve's version. However, instead of the literal clay mask, he should be a master of disguise. Similar to Maise Williams character in GOT. Then he purposely allows a witness for each murder. So each witness will give a different description, causing the main puzzle for Batman to solve.
I think another good point of reference for a more ‘realistic’ Clayface would be from Batman: Earth One volume 3 would features a version of Clayface that is definitely inspired by the golden age version but does it’s own thing and does so really effectively and I could see being used to fit right into what Matt Reeves is doing. Especially since the first movie felt very inspired by the first Earth One volume.
I've never heard of the first version of clayface, hell, I never knew there was an original version. But if that's what they use I'll be all for seeing that. It definitely sounds creepy and I like that. The clayface we all know from the animated series would definitely be in the new DCU.
i REALLY think matt reeves could make a character who uses some kind of drug to shane the shape of his face, in a really grotesque way and show Basil really reworking his face in a very horror based thematic kind of way. i could even see him taking it a step further and having his experimented on till he loses his form, then do a very realistic, practical effect clay face that is really similar to the movie The Thing, so that we rarely see him fully but we’re shown in a really horrifying way, and we see batman help a broke. man whose lost his identity even possibly while he deals with Mr Freeze at the same time
Hey, man. I personally think a more grounded version of Clayface could work, but I am more interested in how Matt Reeves could develop Batman’s story and give him an arc that directly relates to someone like Clayface, specially now that Batman seems to have grown a lot by the end of the first film; rather than figuring out how a villain would work in Matt’s grounded world. That’s mu personal preference, and I would really love if you could add that take to your Rogues Gallery Adaptation series. Cheers!
Also, I’m a bit tired of seeing the argument on Twitter that since Matt made Cloverfield and the Apes trilogy, The Batman universe could also be fantastical. I mean, it COULD, but that doesn’t means Matt wants it to be. Most of Christopher Nolan’s movies play with time in some way or another, but that doesn’t mean his Dark Knight trilogy had to have some sort of time travel or time dilation.
You know what could be interesting? If they made Clayface like how he is depicted in A Serious House on a Serious Earth graphic novel. In that story, Clayface was a guy with a disease he was trying to spread to Batman. He is not in the comic very much but that would be cool. Maybe they could do what they did on Gotham where he can change his apperance due to his DNA being altered. Or they could go with the golden age serial killer approach. All 3 could be plausible. I highly doubt that they would make him the giant shapeshifting mud monster though.
*Yes, please! :D I, too, want the Dr.Payton Payne version of Clayface in Matt Reeve's Batman live action reboot film franchise, specifically loosely inspired by the version in Arkham : A Serious House on Serious Earth, where he was a doctor who trying to cure his genetic disease, but an experiment went awry ,turning him into both a human personification of pestilence and a sympathetic tragic villain with remorse for his victims!* ;D
Great video as always Boba! I'm hoping anything Clayface related would be placed in Gods and Monsters because I 100% agree with what you're saying, Reeves would probably draw inspiration from the golden age Clayface and while I'm sure it could be done in an interesting way, I'd still prefer to see monster Clayface which I think could be accomplished to his full potential under James Gunn
I agree with most of what you said boba. But I do feel like Reeves will probably adapt a version or clayface that is somewhere in between his original version in the comics and the current clay monster that we see in most versions today. Ie he starts out as his original version from the comics and then by the end turns into a more tonned down version of the clay monster we see in other versions. This would be similar to how the riddler was adapted in the first film.
They could go the fantastical route in The Batman 2 by introducing the Scarecrow’s fear toxin like they did in Batman Begins. And at the same time go with a traditional origin story of Clayface where he wears masks.
@@BobaTalks I feel they could use the sort of goo clay from the animated series maybe because clay face has some sort of facial demority so he uses the goo clay.
In the 60s series, there was False Face. He could alter his face to look like anyone, but not his body. Not sure if he was a budget version of clayface, but going by Reeves style, you could have a Clayface like that, because it would be hard to incorporate a full body shapeshifting character creating weapons like the T-1000. He could change his face, and put on a wardrobe to imitate Gordon, Alfred, Wayne, whoever.
Maybe it’ll start like og clayface and morph into how he is these days somehow. I’d really hope we’d get the current clayface tho, even if it’s at the end or something.
I would take the Batverse Clayface announcement with a grain of salt. Watching Twitter when this was all released, it really seemed like a "I got a scoop, too!" announcement after it was announced that Flanagan pitched a solo Clayface film just minutes before.
@@anthonyhankes7599 Though I would normally agree, Hollywood Reporter has had some big misses recently. That said, the way things were announced on Twitter, and then the Deadline article dropping, it definitely was odd this time around, especially with their article being very non-committal.
Clay face as the main villain would be a sick ass concept and I’m down to see what Reeves would do with that, also I don’t think the golden age storyline is as boring as people make it out to be. Picture that storyline with inter weaving characters, storylines, plot twists and Matt Reeves’ touch. That has potential to be a marvelous story. Edit: not saying he’ll just straight copy and paste that story, but he’d do his own spin on it.
The bottom line that everyone no matter who you are MUST accept, is that this is an ELSEWORLD movie. Period. These films (if some of you haven’t been paying attention) are targeted towards the Academy. WB has always been an “awards studio” and they want awards. So these Joker/The Batman elseworld films are grounded in realism and targeted to the academy voter and viewer. Anyone trying to put traditional expectations on these films of these characters is setting themselves up for failure of their expectations. Clay face clearly would not be some CGI morphing creature (wait for that in the DCU) this is a perfect character to take human deformity and bring it to the spotlight. Maybe to twerk the original story- what if “Hollywood” rejected Cayface because of his deformity or just the way he looks which highlights the publics obsession with beauty and subconscious discriminating mindsets people have about someone that looks different from them. Causes him to go make and seek revenge on the industry, Theres so much to do with that - It would be a great character for The Batman sequel.
I agree with you that the golden age clayface, Basil karlo will definitely fit into Reeve’s Batman. Like the serial killer in the joker and the riddler. It would make sense that he does it this way. If it was the mud version like in the animated series. I will find it weird tbh. Pattinson’s Batman is very detective and crime related and also quite dark but if the mud version comes in to Batman 2. I think it’s gonna change the whole atmosphere of the trilogy. That’s my take on this
Boba, thanks for the quick news updates! I absolutely agree with your take on Clayface. One thing that is interesting to me going into the sequel is what kind of criminal we will be getting in Part II. You could argue that we won’t automatically be getting another SERIAL KILLER but maybe someone with different methods and motives. Not sure what that looks like, but it seems that Matt Reeves made Riddler a serial killer DUE TO HIS MOTIVES and goals. Clayface being a morphing or disguising criminal could have lots of opportunities for what gets him in trouble with Battinson. Thanks again!
If it's true, Reeves can honestly mix the two versions of Clayface. It can first start out with the Golden Age version but towards the middle/end of the movie, maybe Battinson chases the "Clayface Killer" into ACE Chemicals which then Karlo falls into a vat of chemicals, Battinson views him as ☠️ and carries that weight with him to the end of the movie (maybe he fights Mr. Freeze as well in the movie) when the movie ends and there a cutscene at the end-Karlo is maybe seen back at his apartment with droopy, bumpy, clay-like skin and further down the Reeve-verse that Clayface learns to do the ever-so modern things that mainstream Clayface does
Maybe hes a secondary villain. He could be like a hitman for a larger villain and hes really hard to catch because he is really good and changing his appearance
This news is refreshing. Clayface has such a raw background and this sounds promising. I’m actually writing a book about my own Batman 2 with the main villain being Mr freeze. something to do in my spare time.
I heard it mentioned sometime ago, that a character with a similar description to Clayface was referenced to appear in the Penguin spinoff. The description being something along these lines: "a former actor gone mad after he's turned down for the main part in a remake of one his movies." So it's likely Clayface will be introduced there first probably as a minor character and play a bigger part in The Batman Part II. Also maybe he'll be featured in the Arkham Asylum spinoff too.
I like all of this. “Clayface” being a movie from 90’s and now there is a remake that’s doesn’t include the original actor is great. Twist might be that the prosthetics guy is the actual killer and he frames the actor. Love Boba videos.
I don’t want any more “grounded” Batman movies. Give me supernatural villains in their true form like Clayface, Killer Croc, or Man-Bat. Also, bring in the Bat-family.
*That's because Matt Reeve's Batman live action film franchise is a DC Elseworlds film franchise, which I respect and support!If you're hungry for the fantastical and extraordinary, please go to James Gunn's awesome brand-new upcoming DCU films in the future! Problem solved!* 😉
Mix the realistic with a slight supernatural edge. I'd write Clayface in the vein of the Stephen King miniseries The Outsider. A 8man named Terry is suspected of murder, claims his innocence and has an alibi, but the physical evidence points to him, who arrests Terry, is confronted with the possibility of a supernatural entity that can shape-shift and feed on the grief of its victims. He teams with a detective who has a belief in the supernatural and who believes in the legend of El Cuco, a Mexican monster that resembles the killer. Its the perfect mix of the supernatural and the natural world. Reeves took the same approach to his Apes Trilogy, it could work well.
re the contact lens tech.... there are confirmed patents out there for SIMILAR tech already, not quite as advanced looking or comfortable to use as in the movie I admit, but in keeping with Reeves ethos... it is not a massive stretch of the imagination or totally impossible thing to witness in our lifetime/reality... Certainly be refreshing to have Clayface done on big screen and with a compelling back story, Reeves will give us the best shot at it than anything that has gone before, no doubt
Another thing that stood out to me was Collin Farrel mentioning how create the MAKEUP was AGAIN when they started shooting the Penguin. Something tells me he wasn't referring to his own and we will likely see either Clayface or Two Face in the Penguin. Maybe even Clayface Two Face and Scarface... (3 Faces instead of 3 Jokers) So many possibilities 😱
I believe we are getting a golden age version of clayface, it matches the world of Matt Reeve's The Batman and I love it, I am not saying that the monster version is my least favorite I love that version as well, I am saying the GA version fits well in that world and I have no problem with it (I'll understand if everyone else don't like it though)
It’s gonna a wild few months. Break everything down and dissect the evidence and draw from what we know, so damn well, I appreciate you. Def not interested in clay monster fantastical version ( dont know why ppl need that bad) and love that concept art but also like the idea I saw of certain leather face inspired maybe wearing the mask flesh of victims and creating a mystery surrounding that as he kills his next victim. But I do question whether or not it can be justified as the main villain and not just side villain or not all and or they do have something planned in Reeves’ world just not Batman Part II
Hey, Boba... I brought up the villain solo films in a live stream & you talked about it. I find it interesting that Flanagan states the news is speculative but does not say that it's completely inaccurate. It could be partially accurate. He said that if it comes to fruition, he'll let us know which means that it might just be in the works but hasn't come to pass. What if his pitch is actually within the Reeves' universe? What if he's working with Reeves? And it could be a combination of the karlov and haggen store lines, combining them. And that convinced high into The Batman 2. I think as far as Reeves would allow his universe is a substance that does make the face more malleable.
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Clayface is also my choice for The Batman sequel villain, but here’s my pitch for how it’ll go: Now for this pitch, there will be another villain to appear, which I’ll say does have a more sci-fi angle, so it probably wouldn’t work. BUT as some may know, test screenings for the first movie stated how the first Reeves movie gave off psychological horror vibes. And since there are some scary and monstrous looking villains, monster=horror. So here’s the pitch: “Recently, on the news, there’s been a line a chains for new beauty/cosmetic products spreading around Gotham. But word has been getting out that there have been murders of many high profiled business people who all are being killed for strange reasons. The people are all linked to Roland Daggett, the business owner of the beauty chains, however no proof is shown that Daggett is behind the murders. But Bruce/Batman is still suspicious that Daggett is still not telling the truth about something. In the meantime, Matt Hagen, a famed actor is just getting off the set of filming and heading back to his room, when it’s revealed that he’s hiding a dark secret when his face while handsome in the films is deformed, due to a car accident, when nobody sees. He has a supply of beauty cream that is made by Daggett's company, where it's reveal that Daggett offered him a lifetime supply of it, in exchange for being a test subject for the cream when being prepared to sell out. The cream which was made by none other than Pamela Isley made from rare plants that have the ability to form into specific shapes. Isley however has other plans, where thru Batman's detective work realizes that it was her who murdered those people through her poisoning the beauty products, specifically lipsticks. Batman begins a mission to find Isley's hideout, where we get some intense scenes when he arrives to investigate her place. But the area is filled with so many plants. Batman just so happens to touch one that it grasps him, to which we get a jump-scare and the plants attack him, causing either Batman to escape or personally meet Isley, who refers herself to Poison Ivy. Ivy's plan is revealed that she's attempting to murder all the people who deal with Daggett, including him, due to the fact that they've been destroying rare nature just to build their corrupt business which leads to Batman realizing that his theory is true about Daggett, being not who he seems. As it turns out, Daggett's business is rid with underground crime, laundering, and fraud. Daggett plans on take over many businesses, one of them being Wayne Enterprises, which Bruce/Batman doesn't realize yet. Daggett needs Hagen to join a gang to take on a hit for one of the businesses, and says if Hagen refuses he'll cut his supply off. So Hagen does so, but the hit attack goes south, and one witness recognizes Hagen, except claims that he looks like Bruce Wayne. With this information, there is a warrant out for Bruce Wayne’s arrest, forcing Bruce as Batman to flee and try to clear his name before things get out of hands. Meanwhile, Daggett has Hagen killed for what he did, as an attempt to avoid half measures. Hagen is presumably killed by being forced to swallow an entirely tank of the beauty cream formula and left for dead, only for his body to turn into clay. Hagen now has become a literal blob who can transform his shape (Imagine a live action version of Tetsuo's mutation (Akira) and Ditto (Pokemon) + the T-1000, but more scary.). Hagen swears revenge on Daggett, but when Poison Ivy hears about him, she decides to cut a deal with him, in which he helps her plan her murder several off the Gotham elites and make her plant growing spree, and she'll give him Daggett to kill. This can lead to a great showdown with some creepy imagery of Hagen (now called Clayface) and Poison Ivy's monstrous plants attacking the public, and an epic showdown with Batman fighting them. Not really too sure on how Bruce fights Ivy and her plants, but he does create special defense mechanisms for his suit in order to avoid her plants getting the best of him. The fight between Bruce and Clayface however becomes really scary as Bruce sees that Hagan can’t fully concentrate whenever he’s mutating (Leading to some imagery that gives off The Thing). But to some up in short, Batman ends up defeating both Clayface and Poison Ivy, but one of them manages to escape (More than likely Clayface), Daggett is arrested for his crimes, and Bruce Wayne’s name is cleared. There will be a mid-credit scene though, with one of the villains on the run. But they happen to meet someone in the shadowy alleyways, who says that he’s been watching them, and offers his hand to them, which is revealed to be covered in bandages.” So there you have it. Basically, this movie can pay homage to 80s monster movies, like The Thing, The Fly and Little Shop of Horrors, mixed with Batman: The Animated Series where I got these stories from. This also sort of gives a more darker take on beauty products, (Though I’m not sure how they’re gonna be able to commercialize that. Like imagine the actress for Poison Ivy saying, “Try the new L’Oréal lipstick, where love can get TOXIC.” or the actor for Clayface advertising for a CHANEL face cream, and the commercial ends saying, “And check out the new Batman movie.”.).
Boba in 1990 Liam Neeson starred in a movie called Darkman. He was heavily scarred in the face and used prosthetics to change into anyone that he wanted to look like. This could be the real world Clay Face, and would be a really cool idea. If they got Liam Neeson to play Clay Face, it would be the chefs kiss.
Hey Boba! Love all your content-it really makes waiting for these movies easier to bear. So thank you, first of all. I would love it if they had the Clayface actor play everyone he turned into. Have it literally just be top-notch prosthetics (aided by minimal digital assistance). I'd love if it always looks just a little off, even at his best there should always be a tell, sometimes a bigger tell than others. They'd obviously need to find an actor that could play the other characters believably. And they could have the other actors dub their voices over his performance, or just digitally alter his impersonations. They could have him be like a Daniel Day-Lewis esque actor, who's addicted to the thrill of "walking through other people's shoes," looking for a more visceral role. Thanks again for all the great content! Peace out
imo I do not see the reason behind using Clayface if you do not want to use the most popular version of him. i disagree about the comparison to Riddler. Riddler grounded version did not sway enough from the OG version. Clayface popular version is drastically different from the grounded one.
the animated version of clayface with his metamorphic ability to sasume any form shape or person that he desires would be a costly challenge for maybe and unknown actor to play as well as a female actor in batman the animated series 2 part episode of feat of clay. late actor martin landau would have been amazing to portray his character if he were still living today. RIP!
I keep hearing people online saying things like 'Yes! Reeves is gonna go fantastical!' I just think that if Clayface does in fact end up being in The Batman, Matt Reeves would likely adapt the original Basil Karlo incarnation, & keep things relatively grounded. I don't think we'll be seeing a shape shifting Clayface. Same for Prof. Pig, Scarecrow, etc...
Interesting. Also Bill Jett Ramey has gotten so many things right when it comes to Batman by teasing images on Twitter, it's why I follow him. His latest two teases were that of Harvey Dent and Julie Madison. The latter may make sense here considering that Julie, like Karlo, was an actor. She's also one of Bruce Wayne's earlier love interests, so Matt Reeves could build upon Bruce's character and maybe even the Playboy side of things. I believe that Julie in the earlier comics was targeted by Clayface for taking his place in a role, or being part of that crew.
Personally I think the golden age, “evil Lon Chaney” version of Clayface could be a really interesting idea, especially with the noir style of this universe. Those articles don’t convince me of the validity of this rumor however. I still would love to see the Matt Reeves version of scarecrow. But as the main villain with some quite scary Arkham games style visions
unfortunate that we wont be seeing mr freeze if this is the case considering they were hardcore setting up the joker for the third movie. it could be possible to have him appear in an ensemble if his origins are in the arkham show but i would like to have seen his character fully explored in matt reeves's writing and visual style. still hoping for an impactful hugo strange in arkham
i do however think this is a red herring or misunderstanding as there were also rumors of a matt reeves clayface solo movie and he would have to be really well written for both to be worthwhile in the same universe
at most id expect a cameo or side role/b plot i dont really see clayface as a character that can stand on his own for a movie as long as batman without a larger threat especially in a trilogy with so many options for villains and joker already semi confirmed for at least one project but thats just my opinion
You keep going with the Golden Age Clayface, but I can also equally see Matt Reeves drawing from the version of Clayface seen in Batman Earth One Volume 3
While I wouldn't be surprised if there's Earth One influences similar to the first movie, that version of Clayface was a metahuman. But sure, you could incorporate the malleable-esque flesh into the prosthetics Reeves' Clayface could use in Part 2.
@BobaTalks Oh certainly, though I more meant the interpretation of Clayface as a serial identity thief as opposed to a serial killer. The part where it was suggested that he'd forgotten who he really is was a neat addition.
@BobaTalks *I'm truly glad you referenced the Dr. Payton Payne version of Clayface in the video, **#BobaTalks**!* *Other versions of Clayface as Matt Hagen and Basil Karlo, for examples, get all the praise! But Dr. Payton Payne could work in Matt Reeve's Batman live action films because like Barry Keoghan 's Joker, Dr.Payton Payne /Clayface also has a genetic disease/disorder, albeit a deadly bloodborne disease and could used as a deadly weapon, but unlike like Barry Keoghan 's Joker, he 's more of a tragic sympathetic supervillain who actually shows remorse for his victims and his actions, which is very naturalistic,grounded compelling,, human and relatable!* ;)
I figured characters like Victor Zsasz, Deacon Blackfire, and Hush would be more likely but his could be interesting if the lean in to the horror elements.
When I think of Golden Age Clayface I think of the prosthetics. I then think of the puppet Scarface. And a Ventriloquist would also be some sort of stage performer and fit in. And yes the CIA does use prosthetics in real life and they are a lot better than anyone would believe. Think about it.. 90% of people I talk to about the Penguin thought it was Robert Deniro lol
Hey man nice video I like your idea of a golden age Clayface but also his another idea how about the original super villain talk to death which he killed in the first comic that could be an idea or two about Man-Bat that could also be a cool idea anyway and also I like your picture of the original Clayface see you😅😅
Speaking as someone who just read the og Spider-Man Noir miniseries, they could very well do something like how Spider-Man Noir does the Chameleon; someone who can morph his facial features in near perfect imitation of another's due to either a birth defect or through the use of a special clay/cream. Like you say in the vid: "Believable, but not necessarily realistic."
If Clayface was a serial killer wearing other people’s faces filled in or rearrangeable with Clay that could maybe work. Personally I want Victor Zsasz and Hugo strange, characters that can draw Batman to Arkham
I love the noir detective aspect Reeves brings, but I’d like him to embrace the fantastical more. The Nolan movies already gave is a lot of the grounded, “realistic” Batman. And with no DCU Batman on the horizon yet that means the only fantastical Batman we’re getting at all is Batfleck. Also, only humans means there’s only so much challenge for someone like Batman. To really stretch his abilities and his intelligence to their limit he needs a harder class of enemies. Powered ones , specifically
Frankly we get such a small amount of the world of the Batman that it’s 50/50 on if we get a fantastical clayface. The riddler and joker are some of Batman’s most grounded villains and the fantastical ones tend to live in the shadows so using the Batman as a basis… we really don’t know much
My dream come true scenario is for Clayface to be adapted into Matt’s and Robert’s universe. I want Matt Reeves to *softly* embrace the supernatural side of Batman’s mythos. He doesn’t have to do a 180 and slap meta humans into his realistic world… … but if he would do a 30 degree turn, and lean softly into the supernatural by grounding it, and using similar techniques they used in shows like Courage the Cowardly Dog, or more accurately X-Files… a show that took place in a realistic world, crammed full of otherworldly entities. Treat the supernatural as the unknown, let it feel unnatural and uncanny, especially leave it vague. Let the audience attempt to make sense of it, and when they can’t, fear and dread will take over. Using the mythical side of Batman’s mythos (even if it’s sparingly and stylishly used) would open up a multitude of opportunities and stories to tell.
My grounded take on Killer Croc 🐊 - Gotham is flooded a reptile sanctuary is flooded and burned down aswell and all the animals are escaping a guy that works in the sanctuary that has a big love for reptiles goes to Bruce Wayne to ask for a loan to help rebuild the sanctuary but Bruce Wayne can't help as he's paying for most of the City to be refurbished. So the guy who also lost his house goes under ground with some crocs and goes crazy and insane starts taking drugs from Penguins henchmen then gets his face and body tattooed like a lizard gets plastic surgery done to look more like a reptile he then becomes a go for for the Penguin who promises him money for the Zoo and a new house if he helps him take down Batman so he can flood Gotham with his drugs. So he then becomes Killer Croc and he's out killing everyone and terrifying everyone that gets in his way in his pursuit of killing Bruce Wayne/Batman.
I would love a version of Batman that isn't afraid of showing the entirety of Batman lore. Jokers insanity really pops when the dude has the balls to stand up to metahumans. Same with Batman. Lets not forget, the most adult version of batman is the kids show.
A cool way to do it would be to give a "clayface" a gadget the uses electronics to morph the clay puddy mask into the facial structure of the person he wants to impersonate.
I just thought of it also. Make him villain that plots robberies but try to make him not so similar to riddler but he can use his disguises to easily pass security so on. Have him study a watch the place ahead of time. Hopefully you understand what I mean 😅
I feel like they won’t use Clayface. If they want to use someone that changes their appearance, and keep it somewhat grounded and realistic, then I feel like you might as well use Hush.
I mean clay face would cool for sure , it’s never been done as is Batman fans know . But my main hope was the court of owls . That was what I was really wanting to see
I wouldn't mind Clayface but I would like to see Hush and Firefly along with Anarky. Who believes Matt Reeves can cook some things up for those villains
Would love to hear your thoughts on this one!! Especially the back half of the video with regards to adaptating CLAYFACE!
I commented right away when clicking on the video and now watching it further and hearing your thoughts (which I've figured were similar) and you giving actual receipts from Reeves' statement, I wish there was a ❤button to press!! Fantastic video brother 👍🏻
Here me out. If Harvey Dent is in Batman 2, what if Basil Karlo/Clay Face replaces the holiday killer, as the next serial killer. Food for thought.
*Interesting video, **#BobaTalks**! IF they do use a version of the villain, Clayface, Matt Reeves could use the Dr. Payton Payne version of Clayface from Arkham: A Serious House on Serious Earth version and James Gunn could use any other versions of Clayface in the Batman: The Brave and the Bold DCU film and sequels!* ;D
Dope! 💯 I hope we can get MR freeze if it makes sense to incorporate him in the story.
Can't say much bc you got all the good scoops 😂
I think the first movie proved we can trust Matt Reeves with these characters. I don’t care which version we get. I just can’t wait to see which way the story will go and how it will all play out.
I just didn’t like the costume.. the characterisation was perfect - but they costume I didn’t like - but I could see him wearing the suit and question marks in the future
I like clayface so I personally would like the dcu to do clayface. The Batman will eventually make their own bad guys and I like that. But let someone who likes the characters to play them
I don't think we can trust him look what he did with the Riddler
@@milosbatmanvideos the riddler was awesome. The zodiac was a great comparison. I’m against clayface because there’s no real life version of him. It’ll waste the opportunity the dcu has to introduce him. The only idea I had that’s far fetched is ed gain. Because he uses other faces to be them. But that’s not clayface. It is however the first version of him. But I think that was 1 comic where he looked normal
@@milosbatmanvideos you mean the interpretation of the riddler he did that the masses adore? Lmao how dare he do such a thing!
I think Matt Reeves' version of clay face could be somewhere in the middle of hyper realism and comic book fantasy. Like, perhaps his face is the only part of him that can be morphed, maybe we could get a scene with him Infront of a mirror, manually pushing and manipulating his face, sculpting it like clay. I think that would be both really cool and really creepy.
That could be awesome
Dope and definitely within the realms of Reeve’s universe
That sounds so fuckin cool.
Yeah maybe even something simple like a burn victim. Same as Freeze I'd figure he'd have gangrene or frostbite. Collin Farrel did praise the makeup artist AGAIN when he started shooting Penguin and I don't think he was talking about his own again 😁 And Maroni was casted so we can easily get Two Face needing a miracle cure like Renuyu funded by Renewal that fails , creates Clayface and leaves Dent to remain as he is .. Two Face. Throw Scarface in there as we got a city of 3 Faces instead of 3 Jokers
This could work, though maybe also some "Clay" attacks, nothing crazy
I think that having the golden age style inspired clayface could be really interesting. I think a good way to do this would be to make him the ultimate master of disguise. They could make him able to shift and morph his clay mask to allow him to look like anyone he wants to. This concept could even be extended to more parts other than just the mask and have him use clay prosthetics to change him proportions as well. They could also make him an expert impressionist so he can mimic anyone's voice and further disguise himself. For example, he could disguise himself as a mob boss's guard in order to get alone with said mob boss and kill them. He could even disguise himself as pre-established characters like Penguin or Gordon. He could also have his mask make him look more monstrous to scare his victims before he kills them. And if they really wanted to go with the clay gimmick, they could make it so the weapons he uses are made out of hardened clay. So overall, I think this version of clayface could have a lot of potential.
Before I knew of the Golden Age Clayface, that's pretty much what I thought a grounded version of him would be like. A master of disguise and mimicry, using clay as a medium to impose as someone else. It certainly would still remain true to Clayfaces' current version as a shapeshifter but on a more realistic scale.
@@acedias12 You and Rpc should read Spider-Man Noir. Their version of the Chameleon is literally exactly this, it's great.
Such great theories and breakdown, and of course thank you for the love and featuring my work! I completely agree that if Matt were to utilize clayface he would be a more realistic serial killer. I love seeing new takes ok iconic characters, and for those who want to see a monster clayface, there’s a VERY good chance we could see that in James Gunn’s DCU! Best of both worlds
I want him to be the golden age version! I picture a House of Wax kind of serial killer, like Vincent. It could be creepy af and still realistic. Vincent had a disfigurement and filled in his face with wax and killed people to be wax figures in his museum. It doesn’t have to be copy and paste, but I could totally see something like that in the Reeves movies
I second this.
I Third this
I forth this!! YESSS HOUSE OF WAX STYLE!
I like to think Reeves is making a horror-centered Batman franchise. He made The Riddler a Zodiac/Jigsaw-esque killer, so imagine if he made Clayface in the same vein of The Thing or Frankenstein?
I really appreciate your detailed and thorough reporting on this! There is a LOT of misinformation out there with people running with the headline but not looking at the original quote. Thanks so much for breaking this down in such a contextual manner - it matters very much what Reeves has said before, and many aren't taking that into account.
A golden age-themed Clayface would be a really interesting villain to explore the theme of identity, which could be key in the next movie. Bruce has learned that he needs to be a symbol of hope to the people, but how should he do that? Who is he going forward? Putting on the cowl and suit make him someone different than Bruce, but who is that? Who is Bruce when he's not Batman? You could mirror that theme with a Clayface in some kind of mask essentially becoming someone or something else as well.
Thank you Kaleirrion! Love the response too, definitely something I'll take into account! :D
You were leaning towards clayface for a while, keep the updates coming
I am so interested to see what Reeves does with Clayface (If it happens), at first I thought the sequel could include freeze with croc, since they would utilize the flud to the fullest, but now I think clayface and freeze could work well in the film or even scarecrow and clayface since the fear gas would make clayface appear huge and monsterius.
I agree 100%. Not only does Reeves want to keep it grounded, he also loves the Golden Age Batman comics. It makes perfect sense.
I think it’d be part of a wider story involving other rogues, but he’d definitely go Golden Age inspired.
I think it would be interesting to see clay face as an actor/makeup artist and have him make his own prosthetics and clothing throughout the movie and he can be in a lot of scenes that we don’t even think he’s in. He can be everywhere and nowhere at the same time, messing with Batman without Batman knowing who is doing things to him. I think that would be an interesting villain for Batman to face.
i really love your make-up special effect artist approach since basil karlo was a actor , you can even go with him having a disease like bells palsy that affects his face and gives him a droopy look (even claiming thats how he got his "clayface" nickname which he loathes) and he uses prosthetics and makeup to hide his illness
The first film felt so grounded but I’d love to see some meta-humans if they think they can pull it off. I don’t see Clayface as a main villain. He’d be a great secondary villain though.
I don't mind much at all with how clayface is handled, I just know that he'll be a great character regardless
I fully trust Matt the GOAT
I trust Reeves to pull off Clayface. I’m sensing for the first two acts, a serial killer House of Wax vibe then finally a third act where Clayface is a complete horror monster vibe like the Thing
What gave you that sense?
I want a Golden Age Clayface that uses hyper realistic prosthetics/makeup to change his identity throughout the film. Have Mike Marino do the same kind of transformative work on his appearance as he did for Colin Farrell.
People tend to forget that grounded and realism aren’t the same realism is breaking down the characters to fit into the real world grounded is to make them fit in the universe that they are building the Arkham games grounded characters but they were never stripped of their fantastical elements
And imagine in the Batman part 2 hush and clayface work together and in the end we find out that clayface was never found and he’s now a deformed monster who will return in a monsterous clayface form
I totally get what you're saying but given what Reeves has said, all out fantastical still doesn't cut it for this universe from my perspective.
@@BobaTalks I wouldn’t be mad I’m fine with him being golden age clayface but I’m hoping that he could slowly become the clay monster or in a third movie but if he doesn’t I’m happy either way I’m all in reeves batverse 💯💯
Rather than having clayface as the main villain, I think it would be cool if they made Hush the main villain with clayface teaming up with him, just like in the comic. That's just me tho🤷🏽♂️ I just hope Mr Freeze is used in the 3rd if he's not in the 2nd
MAKE CLAYFACE LIKE “The Thing”!!!!! PLEASE
Seeing how he made the riddler in a scary villain I have good feeling clay face will be a good villain for the second movie
If this is true, then I believe Reeves will go with Clayface's origin when he was very first introduced and keep it in real form. There's no way he's going with the fantastical direction in his universe.
He will and I’m kinda let down cuz it’s really just a nod to the character to give him an obscure one Time version of him to use the name. The riddler was great. A great version but there’s no real life version of clayface. Unless hes using other people’s skin. But that’s still a new character
This and Mr. Freeze in the next sequel whould make a banger trilogy. First one was a detective thriller, this one could be a horror mystery and the third one a tragic romance. THE SUPERIOR BATMAN TRILOGY.
I love that we are getting this grounded exploration through the Reeves stuff and I agree with you 100% about how they'll approach Clayface. So much potential Either way i love these grounder character explorations. I want to see the eco-terrorist version of Poison Ivy like she was in the animated series.
Jaxsonderr's artwork is excellent! Love that idea
This is the first time clayface will be in a Batman movie. Can’t wait to see him on the big screen in live action.
Batman part 3, or arkham series Professor Hugo Strage as the main villian, played by (Dave Bautista) End fight scene, the professor takes off his Lab coat, and he's some muscular beast underneath 🤯🤯🤯
The Golden Age version would really fit the detective focus in the Reeve's version. However, instead of the literal clay mask, he should be a master of disguise. Similar to Maise Williams character in GOT. Then he purposely allows a witness for each murder. So each witness will give a different description, causing the main puzzle for Batman to solve.
I think another good point of reference for a more ‘realistic’ Clayface would be from Batman: Earth One volume 3 would features a version of Clayface that is definitely inspired by the golden age version but does it’s own thing and does so really effectively and I could see being used to fit right into what Matt Reeves is doing. Especially since the first movie felt very inspired by the first Earth One volume.
I've never heard of the first version of clayface, hell, I never knew there was an original version. But if that's what they use I'll be all for seeing that. It definitely sounds creepy and I like that. The clayface we all know from the animated series would definitely be in the new DCU.
In his earliest appearances, Clayface had no superpowers, but he wore a clay mask.
We get into that in the backhalf of the video ;)
i REALLY think matt reeves could make a character who uses some kind of drug to shane the shape of his face, in a really grotesque way and show Basil really reworking his face in a very horror based thematic kind of way. i could even see him taking it a step further and having his experimented on till he loses his form, then do a very realistic, practical effect clay face that is really similar to the movie The Thing, so that we rarely see him fully but we’re shown in a really horrifying way, and we see batman help a broke. man whose lost his identity even possibly while he deals with Mr Freeze at the same time
You rolling in for the clayface news brought a smile to my face. So fun to see this still going strong
Hey, man. I personally think a more grounded version of Clayface could work, but I am more interested in how Matt Reeves could develop Batman’s story and give him an arc that directly relates to someone like Clayface, specially now that Batman seems to have grown a lot by the end of the first film; rather than figuring out how a villain would work in Matt’s grounded world. That’s mu personal preference, and I would really love if you could add that take to your Rogues Gallery Adaptation series. Cheers!
Also, I’m a bit tired of seeing the argument on Twitter that since Matt made Cloverfield and the Apes trilogy, The Batman universe could also be fantastical. I mean, it COULD, but that doesn’t means Matt wants it to be. Most of Christopher Nolan’s movies play with time in some way or another, but that doesn’t mean his Dark Knight trilogy had to have some sort of time travel or time dilation.
You know what could be interesting? If they made Clayface like how he is depicted in A Serious House on a Serious Earth graphic novel. In that story, Clayface was a guy with a disease he was trying to spread to Batman. He is not in the comic very much but that would be cool. Maybe they could do what they did on Gotham where he can change his apperance due to his DNA being altered. Or they could go with the golden age serial killer approach. All 3 could be plausible. I highly doubt that they would make him the giant shapeshifting mud monster though.
*Yes, please! :D I, too, want the Dr.Payton Payne version of Clayface in Matt Reeve's Batman live action reboot film franchise, specifically loosely inspired by the version in Arkham : A Serious House on Serious Earth, where he was a doctor who trying to cure his genetic disease, but an experiment went awry ,turning him into both a human personification of pestilence and a sympathetic tragic villain with remorse for his victims!* ;D
Great video as always Boba! I'm hoping anything Clayface related would be placed in Gods and Monsters because I 100% agree with what you're saying, Reeves would probably draw inspiration from the golden age Clayface and while I'm sure it could be done in an interesting way, I'd still prefer to see monster Clayface which I think could be accomplished to his full potential under James Gunn
Great intro, great vid
I agree with most of what you said boba. But I do feel like Reeves will probably adapt a version or clayface that is somewhere in between his original version in the comics and the current clay monster that we see in most versions today. Ie he starts out as his original version from the comics and then by the end turns into a more tonned down version of the clay monster we see in other versions. This would be similar to how the riddler was adapted in the first film.
Great video boba hope you're having a great day
Cheers Jeffrey!
They could go the fantastical route in The Batman 2 by introducing the Scarecrow’s fear toxin like they did in Batman Begins. And at the same time go with a traditional origin story of Clayface where he wears masks.
Scarecrow's fear toxin isn't what I'd call fantastical though as it's chemicals/drugs. It's very believable & doable in Reeves' Batman trilogy.
@@BobaTalks I feel they could use the sort of goo clay from the animated series maybe because clay face has some sort of facial demority so he uses the goo clay.
In the 60s series, there was False Face. He could alter his face to look like anyone, but not his body. Not sure if he was a budget version of clayface, but going by Reeves style, you could have a Clayface like that, because it would be hard to incorporate a full body shapeshifting character creating weapons like the T-1000. He could change his face, and put on a wardrobe to imitate Gordon, Alfred, Wayne, whoever.
Maybe it’ll start like og clayface and morph into how he is these days somehow. I’d really hope we’d get the current clayface tho, even if it’s at the end or something.
I would take the Batverse Clayface announcement with a grain of salt. Watching Twitter when this was all released, it really seemed like a "I got a scoop, too!" announcement after it was announced that Flanagan pitched a solo Clayface film just minutes before.
Deadline and the Hollywood reporter are very credible and don’t usually throw things out to the public unless there is something to it!
@@anthonyhankes7599 Though I would normally agree, Hollywood Reporter has had some big misses recently. That said, the way things were announced on Twitter, and then the Deadline article dropping, it definitely was odd this time around, especially with their article being very non-committal.
Clay face as the main villain would be a sick ass concept and I’m down to see what Reeves would do with that, also I don’t think the golden age storyline is as boring as people make it out to be. Picture that storyline with inter weaving characters, storylines, plot twists and Matt Reeves’ touch. That has potential to be a marvelous story. Edit: not saying he’ll just straight copy and paste that story, but he’d do his own spin on it.
The bottom line that everyone no matter who you are MUST accept, is that this is an ELSEWORLD movie. Period. These films (if some of you haven’t been paying attention) are targeted towards the Academy. WB has always been an “awards studio” and they want awards. So these Joker/The Batman elseworld films are grounded in realism and targeted to the academy voter and viewer.
Anyone trying to put traditional expectations on these films of these characters is setting themselves up for failure of their expectations. Clay face clearly would not be some CGI morphing creature (wait for that in the DCU) this is a perfect character to take human deformity and bring it to the spotlight. Maybe to twerk the original story- what if “Hollywood” rejected Cayface because of his deformity or just the way he looks which highlights the publics obsession with beauty and subconscious discriminating mindsets people have about someone that looks different from them. Causes him to go make and seek revenge on the industry, Theres so much to do with that - It would be a great character for The Batman sequel.
I agree with you that the golden age clayface, Basil karlo will definitely fit into Reeve’s Batman. Like the serial killer in the joker and the riddler. It would make sense that he does it this way. If it was the mud version like in the animated series. I will find it weird tbh. Pattinson’s Batman is very detective and crime related and also quite dark but if the mud version comes in to Batman 2. I think it’s gonna change the whole atmosphere of the trilogy. That’s my take on this
Boba, thanks for the quick news updates! I absolutely agree with your take on Clayface. One thing that is interesting to me going into the sequel is what kind of criminal we will be getting in Part II. You could argue that we won’t automatically be getting another SERIAL KILLER but maybe someone with different methods and motives. Not sure what that looks like, but it seems that Matt Reeves made Riddler a serial killer DUE TO HIS MOTIVES and goals. Clayface being a morphing or disguising criminal could have lots of opportunities for what gets him in trouble with Battinson. Thanks again!
If it's true, Reeves can honestly mix the two versions of Clayface. It can first start out with the Golden Age version but towards the middle/end of the movie, maybe Battinson chases the "Clayface Killer" into ACE Chemicals which then Karlo falls into a vat of chemicals, Battinson views him as ☠️ and carries that weight with him to the end of the movie (maybe he fights Mr. Freeze as well in the movie) when the movie ends and there a cutscene at the end-Karlo is maybe seen back at his apartment with droopy, bumpy, clay-like skin and further down the Reeve-verse that Clayface learns to do the ever-so modern things that mainstream Clayface does
Maybe hes a secondary villain. He could be like a hitman for a larger villain and hes really hard to catch because he is really good and changing his appearance
This news is refreshing. Clayface has such a raw background and this sounds promising. I’m actually writing a book about my own Batman 2 with the main villain being Mr freeze. something to do in my spare time.
I heard it mentioned sometime ago, that a character with a similar description to Clayface was referenced to appear in the Penguin spinoff. The description being something along these lines: "a former actor gone mad after he's turned down for the main part in a remake of one his movies." So it's likely Clayface will be introduced there first probably as a minor character and play a bigger part in The Batman Part II. Also maybe he'll be featured in the Arkham Asylum spinoff too.
I like all of this. “Clayface” being a movie from 90’s and now there is a remake that’s doesn’t include the original actor is great. Twist might be that the prosthetics guy is the actual killer and he frames the actor. Love Boba videos.
I don’t want any more “grounded” Batman movies. Give me supernatural villains in their true form like Clayface, Killer Croc, or Man-Bat. Also, bring in the Bat-family.
*That's because Matt Reeve's Batman live action film franchise is a DC Elseworlds film franchise, which I respect and support!If you're hungry for the fantastical and extraordinary, please go to James Gunn's awesome brand-new upcoming DCU films in the future! Problem solved!* 😉
Mix the realistic with a slight supernatural edge. I'd write Clayface in the vein of the Stephen King miniseries The Outsider. A 8man named Terry is suspected of murder, claims his innocence and has an alibi, but the physical evidence points to him, who arrests Terry, is confronted with the possibility of a supernatural entity that can shape-shift and feed on the grief of its victims. He teams with a detective who has a belief in the supernatural and who believes in the legend of El Cuco, a Mexican monster that resembles the killer. Its the perfect mix of the supernatural and the natural world. Reeves took the same approach to his Apes Trilogy, it could work well.
Exactly what I imagined.
re the contact lens tech.... there are confirmed patents out there for SIMILAR tech already, not quite as advanced looking or comfortable to use as in the movie I admit, but in keeping with Reeves ethos... it is not a massive stretch of the imagination or totally impossible thing to witness in our lifetime/reality...
Certainly be refreshing to have Clayface done on big screen and with a compelling back story, Reeves will give us the best shot at it than anything that has gone before, no doubt
Another thing that stood out to me was Collin Farrel mentioning how create the MAKEUP was AGAIN when they started shooting the Penguin. Something tells me he wasn't referring to his own and we will likely see either Clayface or Two Face in the Penguin. Maybe even Clayface Two Face and Scarface... (3 Faces instead of 3 Jokers) So many possibilities 😱
I believe we are getting a golden age version of clayface, it matches the world of Matt Reeve's The Batman and I love it, I am not saying that the monster version is my least favorite I love that version as well, I am saying the GA version fits well in that world and I have no problem with it (I'll understand if everyone else don't like it though)
It’s gonna a wild few months. Break everything down and dissect the evidence and draw from what we know, so damn well, I appreciate you. Def not interested in clay monster fantastical version ( dont know why ppl need that bad) and love that concept art but also like the idea I saw of certain leather face inspired maybe wearing the mask flesh of victims and creating a mystery surrounding that as he kills his next victim. But I do question whether or not it can be justified as the main villain and not just side villain or not all and or they do have something planned in Reeves’ world just not Batman Part II
Fantastic video keep it up you're doing an amazing job also may Allah bless all of us this Ramadan Ameen 👍😊
Ameen. ❤
رمضان مبارك كريم أخي ❤
Searched you right out when I found out the news to hear your thoughts.
Hey, Boba... I brought up the villain solo films in a live stream & you talked about it. I find it interesting that Flanagan states the news is speculative but does not say that it's completely inaccurate. It could be partially accurate. He said that if it comes to fruition, he'll let us know which means that it might just be in the works but hasn't come to pass. What if his pitch is actually within the Reeves' universe? What if he's working with Reeves? And it could be a combination of the karlov and haggen store lines, combining them. And that convinced high into The Batman 2. I think as far as Reeves would allow his universe is a substance that does make the face more malleable.
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If they do it, I feel like Javier Bardem would be the most fly & menacing version of this character.
Clayface is also my choice for The Batman sequel villain, but here’s my pitch for how it’ll go:
Now for this pitch, there will be another villain to appear, which I’ll say does have a more sci-fi angle, so it probably wouldn’t work. BUT as some may know, test screenings for the first movie stated how the first Reeves movie gave off psychological horror vibes. And since there are some scary and monstrous looking villains, monster=horror. So here’s the pitch:
“Recently, on the news, there’s been a line a chains for new beauty/cosmetic products spreading around Gotham. But word has been getting out that there have been murders of many high profiled business people who all are being killed for strange reasons. The people are all linked to Roland Daggett, the business owner of the beauty chains, however no proof is shown that Daggett is behind the murders. But Bruce/Batman is still suspicious that Daggett is still not telling the truth about something.
In the meantime, Matt Hagen, a famed actor is just getting off the set of filming and heading back to his room, when it’s revealed that he’s hiding a dark secret when his face while handsome in the films is deformed, due to a car accident, when nobody sees. He has a supply of beauty cream that is made by Daggett's company, where it's reveal that Daggett offered him a lifetime supply of it, in exchange for being a test subject for the cream when being prepared to sell out. The cream which was made by none other than Pamela Isley made from rare plants that have the ability to form into specific shapes. Isley however has other plans, where thru Batman's detective work realizes that it was her who murdered those people through her poisoning the beauty products, specifically lipsticks.
Batman begins a mission to find Isley's hideout, where we get some intense scenes when he arrives to investigate her place. But the area is filled with so many plants. Batman just so happens to touch one that it grasps him, to which we get a jump-scare and the plants attack him, causing either Batman to escape or personally meet Isley, who refers herself to Poison Ivy. Ivy's plan is revealed that she's attempting to murder all the people who deal with Daggett, including him, due to the fact that they've been destroying rare nature just to build their corrupt business which leads to Batman realizing that his theory is true about Daggett, being not who he seems. As it turns out, Daggett's business is rid with underground crime, laundering, and fraud.
Daggett plans on take over many businesses, one of them being Wayne Enterprises, which Bruce/Batman doesn't realize yet. Daggett needs Hagen to join a gang to take on a hit for one of the businesses, and says if Hagen refuses he'll cut his supply off. So Hagen does so, but the hit attack goes south, and one witness recognizes Hagen, except claims that he looks like Bruce Wayne. With this information, there is a warrant out for Bruce Wayne’s arrest, forcing Bruce as Batman to flee and try to clear his name before things get out of hands. Meanwhile, Daggett has Hagen killed for what he did, as an attempt to avoid half measures. Hagen is presumably killed by being forced to swallow an entirely tank of the beauty cream formula and left for dead, only for his body to turn into clay. Hagen now has become a literal blob who can transform his shape (Imagine a live action version of Tetsuo's mutation (Akira) and Ditto (Pokemon) + the T-1000, but more scary.). Hagen swears revenge on Daggett, but when Poison Ivy hears about him, she decides to cut a deal with him, in which he helps her plan her murder several off the Gotham elites and make her plant growing spree, and she'll give him Daggett to kill.
This can lead to a great showdown with some creepy imagery of Hagen (now called Clayface) and Poison Ivy's monstrous plants attacking the public, and an epic showdown with Batman fighting them. Not really too sure on how Bruce fights Ivy and her plants, but he does create special defense mechanisms for his suit in order to avoid her plants getting the best of him. The fight between Bruce and Clayface however becomes really scary as Bruce sees that Hagan can’t fully concentrate whenever he’s mutating (Leading to some imagery that gives off The Thing). But to some up in short, Batman ends up defeating both Clayface and Poison Ivy, but one of them manages to escape (More than likely Clayface), Daggett is arrested for his crimes, and Bruce Wayne’s name is cleared.
There will be a mid-credit scene though, with one of the villains on the run. But they happen to meet someone in the shadowy alleyways, who says that he’s been watching them, and offers his hand to them, which is revealed to be covered in bandages.”
So there you have it. Basically, this movie can pay homage to 80s monster movies, like The Thing, The Fly and Little Shop of Horrors, mixed with Batman: The Animated Series where I got these stories from. This also sort of gives a more darker take on beauty products, (Though I’m not sure how they’re gonna be able to commercialize that. Like imagine the actress for Poison Ivy saying, “Try the new L’Oréal lipstick, where love can get TOXIC.” or the actor for Clayface advertising for a CHANEL face cream, and the commercial ends saying, “And check out the new Batman movie.”.).
Boba in 1990 Liam Neeson starred in a movie called Darkman. He was heavily scarred in the face and used prosthetics to change into anyone that he wanted to look like. This could be the real world Clay Face, and would be a really cool idea. If they got Liam Neeson to play Clay Face, it would be the chefs kiss.
Hey Boba! Love all your content-it really makes waiting for these movies easier to bear. So thank you, first of all.
I would love it if they had the Clayface actor play everyone he turned into. Have it literally just be top-notch prosthetics (aided by minimal digital assistance). I'd love if it always looks just a little off, even at his best there should always be a tell, sometimes a bigger tell than others.
They'd obviously need to find an actor that could play the other characters believably. And they could have the other actors dub their voices over his performance, or just digitally alter his impersonations. They could have him be like a Daniel Day-Lewis esque actor, who's addicted to the thrill of "walking through other people's shoes," looking for a more visceral role.
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I'm so incredibly hyped, I really hope they go for the hulking moster version because Clay faces is top three batman villain 🦇.
Lol...I posted my comment before I hit the point in the vid where you said the exact same thing Boba. Should've known you'd say the same.
imo I do not see the reason behind using Clayface if you do not want to use the most popular version of him. i disagree about the comparison to Riddler. Riddler grounded version did not sway enough from the OG version. Clayface popular version is drastically different from the grounded one.
Pattinson needs to be in the main continuity. No BS he did his thing in that Role👌🏾 ole vampire lookin boi
What version of the batman theme is playing in the background? Can you give the song title.
Hey Boba !!! Love the channel!!!! If they do the Golden Age Clayface I think “Bill Hader” would make a great Clayface in the Matt Reeves Universe.
the animated version of clayface with his metamorphic ability to sasume any form shape or person that he desires
would be a costly challenge for maybe and unknown actor to play as well as a female actor in batman the animated series
2 part episode of feat of clay. late actor martin landau would have been amazing to portray his character if he were still living
today. RIP!
I keep hearing people online saying things like 'Yes! Reeves is gonna go fantastical!' I just think that if Clayface does in fact end up being in The Batman, Matt Reeves would likely adapt the original Basil Karlo incarnation, & keep things relatively grounded. I don't think we'll be seeing a shape shifting Clayface. Same for Prof. Pig, Scarecrow, etc...
Interesting. Also Bill Jett Ramey has gotten so many things right when it comes to Batman by teasing images on Twitter, it's why I follow him. His latest two teases were that of Harvey Dent and Julie Madison. The latter may make sense here considering that Julie, like Karlo, was an actor. She's also one of Bruce Wayne's earlier love interests, so Matt Reeves could build upon Bruce's character and maybe even the Playboy side of things.
I believe that Julie in the earlier comics was targeted by Clayface for taking his place in a role, or being part of that crew.
FINALLY! A different villain ❤
Personally I think the golden age, “evil Lon Chaney” version of Clayface could be a really interesting idea, especially with the noir style of this universe. Those articles don’t convince me of the validity of this rumor however. I still would love to see the Matt Reeves version of scarecrow. But as the main villain with some quite scary Arkham games style visions
That concept art is fantastic and I'd really love that version for the batman 2
I want Clayface and killer croc
unfortunate that we wont be seeing mr freeze if this is the case considering they were hardcore setting up the joker for the third movie. it could be possible to have him appear in an ensemble if his origins are in the arkham show but i would like to have seen his character fully explored in matt reeves's writing and visual style. still hoping for an impactful hugo strange in arkham
i do however think this is a red herring or misunderstanding as there were also rumors of a matt reeves clayface solo movie and he would have to be really well written for both to be worthwhile in the same universe
at most id expect a cameo or side role/b plot i dont really see clayface as a character that can stand on his own for a movie as long as batman without a larger threat especially in a trilogy with so many options for villains and joker already semi confirmed for at least one project but thats just my opinion
You keep going with the Golden Age Clayface, but I can also equally see Matt Reeves drawing from the version of Clayface seen in Batman Earth One Volume 3
While I wouldn't be surprised if there's Earth One influences similar to the first movie, that version of Clayface was a metahuman. But sure, you could incorporate the malleable-esque flesh into the prosthetics Reeves' Clayface could use in Part 2.
@BobaTalks Oh certainly, though I more meant the interpretation of Clayface as a serial identity thief as opposed to a serial killer. The part where it was suggested that he'd forgotten who he really is was a neat addition.
@BobaTalks *I'm truly glad you referenced the Dr. Payton Payne version of Clayface in the video, **#BobaTalks**!* *Other versions of Clayface as Matt Hagen and Basil Karlo, for examples, get all the praise! But Dr. Payton Payne could work in Matt Reeve's Batman live action films because like Barry Keoghan 's Joker, Dr.Payton Payne /Clayface also has a genetic disease/disorder, albeit a deadly bloodborne disease and could used as a deadly weapon, but unlike like Barry Keoghan 's Joker, he 's more of a tragic sympathetic supervillain who actually shows remorse for his victims and his actions, which is very naturalistic,grounded compelling,, human and relatable!* ;)
I figured characters like Victor Zsasz, Deacon Blackfire, and Hush would be more likely but his could be interesting if the lean in to the horror elements.
When I think of Golden Age Clayface I think of the prosthetics. I then think of the puppet Scarface. And a Ventriloquist would also be some sort of stage performer and fit in. And yes the CIA does use prosthetics in real life and they are a lot better than anyone would believe. Think about it.. 90% of people I talk to about the Penguin thought it was Robert Deniro lol
For me personally , I’d be way more interested in a take on the golden age Clayface than to the mud monster. Especially Matt reeves’ take holyyy
Hey man nice video I like your idea of a golden age Clayface but also his another idea how about the original super villain talk to death which he killed in the first comic that could be an idea or two about Man-Bat that could also be a cool idea anyway and also I like your picture of the original Clayface see you😅😅
Speaking as someone who just read the og Spider-Man Noir miniseries, they could very well do something like how Spider-Man Noir does the Chameleon; someone who can morph his facial features in near perfect imitation of another's due to either a birth defect or through the use of a special clay/cream. Like you say in the vid: "Believable, but not necessarily realistic."
And so it begins….
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If Clayface was a serial killer wearing other people’s faces filled in or rearrangeable with Clay that could maybe work. Personally I want Victor Zsasz and Hugo strange, characters that can draw Batman to Arkham
He better be supernatural and not grounded bring on the meta humans
I love the noir detective aspect Reeves brings, but I’d like him to embrace the fantastical more. The Nolan movies already gave is a lot of the grounded, “realistic” Batman. And with no DCU Batman on the horizon yet that means the only fantastical Batman we’re getting at all is Batfleck. Also, only humans means there’s only so much challenge for someone like Batman. To really stretch his abilities and his intelligence to their limit he needs a harder class of enemies. Powered ones , specifically
I think we could get the earth one version where it split down the middle.
Frankly we get such a small amount of the world of the Batman that it’s 50/50 on if we get a fantastical clayface. The riddler and joker are some of Batman’s most grounded villains and the fantastical ones tend to live in the shadows so using the Batman as a basis… we really don’t know much
My dream come true scenario is for Clayface to be adapted into Matt’s and Robert’s universe. I want Matt Reeves to *softly* embrace the supernatural side of Batman’s mythos. He doesn’t have to do a 180 and slap meta humans into his realistic world…
… but if he would do a 30 degree turn, and lean softly into the supernatural by grounding it, and using similar techniques they used in shows like Courage the Cowardly Dog, or more accurately X-Files… a show that took place in a realistic world, crammed full of otherworldly entities.
Treat the supernatural as the unknown, let it feel unnatural and uncanny, especially leave it vague. Let the audience attempt to make sense of it, and when they can’t, fear and dread will take over.
Using the mythical side of Batman’s mythos (even if it’s sparingly and stylishly used) would open up a multitude of opportunities and stories to tell.
My grounded take on Killer Croc 🐊 - Gotham is flooded a reptile sanctuary is flooded and burned down aswell and all the animals are escaping a guy that works in the sanctuary that has a big love for reptiles goes to Bruce Wayne to ask for a loan to help rebuild the sanctuary but Bruce Wayne can't help as he's paying for most of the City to be refurbished. So the guy who also lost his house goes under ground with some crocs and goes crazy and insane starts taking drugs from Penguins henchmen then gets his face and body tattooed like a lizard gets plastic surgery done to look more like a reptile he then becomes a go for for the Penguin who promises him money for the Zoo and a new house if he helps him take down Batman so he can flood Gotham with his drugs. So he then becomes Killer Croc and he's out killing everyone and terrifying everyone that gets in his way in his pursuit of killing Bruce Wayne/Batman.
I would love a version of Batman that isn't afraid of showing the entirety of Batman lore. Jokers insanity really pops when the dude has the balls to stand up to metahumans. Same with Batman.
Lets not forget, the most adult version of batman is the kids show.
I’ve got that same Batman coffee mug Boba!
A cool way to do it would be to give a "clayface" a gadget the uses electronics to morph the clay puddy mask into the facial structure of the person he wants to impersonate.
I just thought of it also. Make him villain that plots robberies but try to make him not so similar to riddler but he can use his disguises to easily pass security so on. Have him study a watch the place ahead of time. Hopefully you understand what I mean 😅
I am now five times more hyped for this movie than I was for the first
I feel like they won’t use Clayface. If they want to use someone that changes their appearance, and keep it somewhat grounded and realistic, then I feel like you might as well use Hush.
I mean clay face would cool for sure , it’s never been done as is Batman fans know . But my main hope was the court of owls . That was what I was really wanting to see
I wouldn't mind Clayface but I would like to see Hush and Firefly along with Anarky. Who believes Matt Reeves can cook some things up for those villains