I never got the impression that FEAR was a strategy used in viable competitive pokemon. It was more of a "Shock Value" gimmick to force new players to realize that Pokemon has a lot more strategic diversity than just "Throw all your legendaries at 'em!" It's not for the competitive scene, it's to traumatize 9 year olds playing online for the first time.
Definitely a noob check strategy, if you didn’t bring priority/multi hit moves on your team before that, you will forever bring it on your team after playing against this strat Source: Got swept by a level 1 Aron and Cottonee in Gen 5
Except there is stuff like multi-hit moves, entry hazards, Sandstorm and other passive damage that the FEAR user has to play around. But once those are removed from the equation, yeah.
Obviously it's another weakness but I wouldn't say that, I think perma weather leaving and the abundance of hazards are the main reasons it doesn't really work
Loaded dice means multi-strike moves are actually viable now too, like Baxcalibur's icicle spear, breloom's bullet seed, cloyster doesn't even need loaded dice but still counts, etc. So multi-strike moves are more common and FEAR is harder to pull off because of it. Urshifu-Rapid invalidated the strategy alone, now it's even worse for them.
It's because everyone uses the other acronym for it due to not wanting to be demonatized by UA-cam for using a curse word in their video. Other people don't use it due to not liking swearing, which lead to the other version becoming the more popular and widely recognized name for this strategy
I used F.E.A.R. in its original form (Rattata) against Ultra Necrozma in UltraSun. So much fun, the music, the stage, the build-up to the great fight... And the giant apocalyptic Pokemon goes down to quick attack in second turn. Priceless.
Fun Fact, in Pokémon XD Gale of Darkness, in one of the Battle CD's where you have to do certain challenges, there is a variation of this strategy where you have to beat a LV 100. Shuckle with a LV. 5 Rattata, this strategy has actually been officially acknowleadge since 2005.
Those Battle CDs were full of niche scenarios like that. I believe there was also one where you needed to beat a Medicham by forcing it to miss High Jump Kick with Protect and another where you had to find a way to deal with Explosion and Selfdestruct a lot, can't recall much about that one but I think it also involved using Protect.
Losing to FEAR honestly was a rite of passage back in gen 4 and 5. I feel like most new to competitive Pokémon players fell for it, or saw a vid about it and used it themselves. I remember thinking it was so OP when I was a kid and first encountered it. FEAR might be the coolest and funniest shock factor set in competitive Pokemon history.
surprised at no mention of Scrappy Taillow being a better FEARer than Rattata due to actually hitting Ghosts, but I suppose by the time Gen 5 rolled around to give Taillow Scrappy, the novelty of FEAR had already been killed several times over.
Taillow is pretty funny because it also gets U-Turn. Like, instead of going for the FEAR you just U-Turn out. Pretty funny when your opponent has a Skarmory and you have a Magnezone
@@internetguy7319 People still switch Rotom into Scarf Excadrill to this day though because it's easy to forget what breaking the mold refers to lol. Also includes them thinking the opponent is foolish and leaving the Rotom in.
This is like the hurdle that separates casuals and competent competitive players, any player who is at least familiar with competitive Pokémon can easily shut down FEAR, usually on turn one, but if you’re a casual with no attention to team building you’re getting rolled.
Hell, I'd say it's a good metric between good competitive players to accurately judge their team's general ability. If your carefully crafted anti-meta team can't deal with the rat, you overspecced.
I remember making a FEAR team that was actually able to beat multi-hit move users with endure custap berry destiny bond Frillish. The only multi-hit priority move that can go before custap berry is water shuriken, which Frillish is immune to with water absorb That turned out to be way too specific of a situation so I switched it to Mimikyu who can actually switch into moves lol
@@alexbeauchamp8627 yup, since endure doesn't require you to be at full hp. But I also had other ways to handle it, such as magic guard Solosis or fake out Togedemaru, who only takes 1 damage from stealth rock and heals it with fake out + shell bell. Rapid spin Pineco is also vital to try and deny the hazards
I was actually thinking about this recently. And I realized one of the most underrated Pokémon for this strat is actually Tailow. It gets endeavor and quick attack but also has scrappy so it can hit ghost types.
Yea but it got Scrappy in Gen 5, and the sand strat with Aron seemed way better. In gens 4, killing a legendary with a Rattata looked funnier than with a Taillow
@@Squirtle_Squad_Supremacy This is what people seem to forget these days: Rattata was the poster child for Garbagemons, Pokemon you box early in your playthrough because you have something better. Sure, it could become capable of more, and we know that now with more time for that to enter public view, but at the time, no Pokémon was quite as clear of an example of “crutch character”: the early Bugs were made deliberately weak, and so was Magikarp, but Rattata’s excuse was that it was “just a rat”, and it wasn’t even failed due to movepool, just to being low stats and kind of boring to a lot of people So for one of the most underwhelming, underpowered, _unremarkable_ Pokémon of all time to be at the new lowest level possible of ONE, and yet somehow beat a box legendary? It was the very embodiment of David vs Goliath. The Unloved one quickly gained a new reputation in the popular community, one of a scrappy defiance to insurmountable odds
@@leeto64 similar strat, don't remember as it's been 10+ years, leech seed, focus sash, absorb, substitute, and it just drains you slowly every turn, while ending up being unlikable
Can we all just pause for a moment and appreciate that Aron is one of the most adorable Pokemon ever? It is also the most dense I think, being a foot tall and around 230 lbs. No one is picking up this good boy.
Most people probably won't mention this, but I really love the artwork you use for the thumbnails of these more 'left-field' videos. It does a great job of portraying the topic in question in a humourous and energetic fashion, and helps to differentiate these niche deep-dives from your Pokemon overviews. Plus, it just looks really cool. Just thought I'd throw that out there!
Marriland vs. Untouchable is still one of my favorite competitive battles to watch, for a few reasons. It's incredibly dumb and the lore behind it is so nostalgic to me
I once ran across a fear user in Pokemon showdown but the fact that bullet punch scizor is like one of my favourite mons completely destroyed the opponent.
Rotation battles had crazy potential. I used to sweep with Shuckle in this format. Simply use power trick with Shuckle, rotate to trick room setter, then rotate back to Shuckle and commence the slaughter
Shout out to Aerovalkyrie's level 1 team beating Cynthia so early in BW that it wasn't even released overseas. It utilized some FEAR strategies even weirder than what put it on the map, like leech seed loops off of a baton passed substitute from level 1 girafarig, as well as sub-protect toxic stalling.
I had fun with FEAR Taillow at the beginning of Gen 6 when Aegislash was legal and it was way more useful than it should've been. Opponents that knew about FEAR always switched to Aegislash because Ghosts are immune to Normal Attacks, like Endeavor... or so they thought. Apparently, I was the only guy that knew Taillow's Hidden Ability was Scrappy.
There’s several ways to have your Pokémon counter a fear ratatta. 1: literally any ghost type, even gastly or misdreavus will do. 2: have a Pokémon that can learn fake out, any will do. 3: a status effect like burn or poison to remove the effect of the sash, or get lucky with confusion. 4: actually know how it works. 5: multi-hit moves like icicle spear, pin missile, dragon darts or *population bomb* will suffice.
All u need to beat this is one of the following. - priority - multi-hits - stealth rocks - spikes - a ghost type - trick room - lagging tail - tera ghost - leftovers - encore - tricking a choice item - flinches - Roar/whirlwind - mold breaker/ magic room - rocky helmet - spiky shield - burn - toxic - a lucky paralyze - trap move (whirlpool magma storm) - substitute it ur team is decent u probably have at minimum 1-2 of these.
I used to challenge kids to 1v1 with their best pokemon for small amounts of money ($5,$10 etc] when I was in middle school using this strategy. I'll never forget my friends face when his level 100 palkia got beat by my ratatta lol
New players using Mewtwo and legendaries got swept by level 1s makes me feel hilarious and fun but also hopes that they don’t get desperate and quit Pokémon after that at the same time Similar strats showcasing a level 10 Bunnelby beating a level 70 Mewtwo with Endeavour and Quick Attack is even on a video in the official Pokémon channel, about telling the fun of Pokémon battles to kids by beating them up with FEAR
tbf if i had to guess a lot of those "TOXIC SALTY LEGENDARY SPAMMER GETS DESTROYED BY LITTLE CUP TEAM(WITH FACTS AND LOGIC)" videos are either staged or done on the lowest of the lowest rungs of the showdown ladder
As you said towards the end this kind of creativity helps you think up your own alternative strats. I'm a Grapploct fan and to have it be useful I use a focus sash and topsy turvy to turn the tables on stat boosters. It's pretty sweet although usually short lived
Thanks for this. Marriland's UA-cam presence was a huuuuuge part of why I loved (and still love) Gen 4 to this day - and some of my foremost formative "Internet memories". I still remember the Untouchable fight well to this day.
There is another FEAR mon that i sometimes encounter on showdown: Taillow. He gets access to scrappy, and is pretty much a rattata with more weaknesses.
Fun fact, Barry talks about using a fear strategy with his staravia in the gen 4 games, and even uses a set of it during the journey If I remember correctly, he mentions using double team, endeavor, and quick attack in tandem for free KOs
It's because of stuff like this why Stealth Rock, Spikes, Leech Seed, Toxic, Infestation, Sandstorm, and Hail all exist. All hail the almighty passive damage.
I remember doing online on Black and White on Wifi Rotation, and that battle format allowed this infamous strategy to work even more. Have a Sandstorm Pokemon enter and immediately rotate into Aron with Shell Bell for a one turn KO, for example.
I've tried to do a similar thing with Aggron. The set being Sturdy, Custap Berry, Metal Burst, Endeavor, probably Head Smash and some steel move. Man I love Aggron.
This actually happened me in a Ruby playthrough! I skipped one of the very early trainers, and I ran into him long after I had beaten the Champion. For absolute overkill, I switched to my Lv90 Swampert, and my heart sank as I saw the healthbar go down and down.
Kinda sad Cottonee and Whimsicott's level 1 Prankster Subseed shenanigans only got a brief mention, but I guess that's content for How Good Was Whimsicott Actually
Kind of hoped there would've at least been a mention of the training disc in XD Gale of Darkness that pitched you, a lvl 1 Rattata against lvl 100 Aerodactyl. I think it was even called "Can a level 1 beat a level 100?" That was back in gen 3 already
I feel like level 1 Clefable was one of the best users of this strategy. Magic Guard protects it from having the sash broken from rocks / sand etc while it has Stealth Rocks, Knock Off, Twave etc to support if the opponent tries to switch into a ghost or Leftovers Pokemon. With hail or sand support it could often guarantee a kill at best, setup hazards and paralyze something at worse. Best of all players would see a Clefable and switch to Heatran or something assuming they were level 100 as per usual only to get nailed for 99% by Endeavor which even at full health would be devastating.
as someone who never really was involved in competitive pokemon, when i learned about FEAR it was one of the first time i really realized how strategic pokemon could actually be. as a kid who never used setup moves and rarely used items, i had never seen what the appeal would be of competitive pokemon, so FEAR and whatever that one shuckle strategy was definitely opened my eyes!!
If you have a Greninja that knows water shuriken, especially if it has battle bond, you completely counter the fear strategy. You'll have a priority multi hit move that can give Greninja a free transformation.
I love these videos. They're such a fresh take on the "How Good Was ______ Actually" by examining strategies. Now I eagerly await one for Prankster, which IMO is the most OP ability in the game.
He said the name Marriland and I fully got Ratatouille'd back to being a 6 year old child on the playground discussing the cool hip new Pokemon games for the cool hip new DS. FEAR Rattata was a mystical thing back then.
Nice mini double feature there. That said, one could say the FEAR strategy is the opposite of the Baton Pass strategy in terms of competitive usability & especially skill needed.
Me, a guy who grew up on Gen 1/2 and last checked in for black/white: "Hmm... going to need more than earthquake, here." I do think pokemon has done a lot to alleviate its early weaknesses. Although I believe by gen 3, there were "survives with 1 hp" things out there I'd started incorporating solutions for. Though the hilarity of seeing a level 1 rattata blow away a level 100 anything is not lost on me. Plenty of ways to deal with it, but certainly something that runs against how many like myself experienced pokemon.
I remember back in high school, I had a friend say there was no way my legitimate level one Rattata could defeat his level 100 Pokémon. I told him it was possible and I was willing to bet money on it. After a week, we brought our DS’s to our science class and EVERYONE was HYPED to watch the battle and everyone hurdled over to watch us, thinking I was going to get sweeped. I quickly won and got a $50 gift card, and it wasn’t until the battle ended that he said “Ohhhhhh I should’ve known you were gonna use that strategy” even though he said previously he couldn’t think of how I could win without cheats. Good times.
I really liked the format of this video! Highlighting a strategy, then highlighting a Pokemon that used it in a competitive tier towards the end, whether they used that strategy in the tier or otherwise.
FEAR is basically the noob check for Pokémon. If you have a general idea on how Pokémon works, you can counter it easily. If you don't (I.e. just starting out with all legendaries) you'll be confused as to what happened
You failed to mention that Level 1 Aron was an absolute annoyance in VGC. Sure it didn't win tournaments but it most certainly disrupted players. That and Perish Trap teams.
I think it’s just a hardcore litmus test strategy. If you can’t prepare for any situation, including this, then you deserve to lose a Pokémon. “Get good, scrub,” is basically what’s being said here with this test.
I know FEAR wasn't the best strategy, but it was powerful enough that you had to account for it when team building. And if you saw a little guy in team preview you had to make sure to save the right guys to handle it. Losing to FEAR was too embarrassing. So it did shape the meta even if you didn't see it terribly often.
If your team is completely without ghost, ground, rock, and steel types, has no priority, nothing with leftovers, and no multi hit moves, you probably didn’t build a good team in the first place. You had to actively avoid making counters for FEAR to lose to it or, more likely, be dumb enough to lose your counter to it before it came in, in which case it wasn’t FEAR you lost to, it was yourself.
I don't think you needed to account for FEAR when team building, it's just something that you end up countering by virtue of making a halfway viable team. Fake Out, leftovers, any multi hit move, changing the weather, status, etc all shut it down and were just an ordinary part of team building instead of something to be consciously aware of
@@AdaptiveReasoning I mean your original statement is just flat out wrong though. Not one of my teams was built with FEAR in mind and yet on the very rare occasions I run into it I beat it easily. Additionally, in serious play you don’t see it at all so even if you somehow had no way to beat it you would be fine. Natibe isn’t “in some aspect” correct, they’re completely correct and you’re trying to invalidate it with the “touch grass” argument as if it makes you right.
No. I was correct. They are also correct. You did have to think about FEAR when building a team, especially if you were new, it was possible to accidentally put the wrong six pokemon together and not realize it until you ran into the baby rock lizard, (especially in lower tiers). If you knew what you were doing (by nature of "getting good") you would probably have your bases covered. They are right in that respect. They (and y'all) just have a tone problem and need some perspective. What I said isn't that big a deal. We're in the UA-cam comments, we're strangers, this is about a video game and a meta that I did dabble in at the time it was current. And I do remember when I would put stuff together that I did think about it a wee bit. That is all. Go in peace, be at peace, this isn't something you get snippy about. Everything y'all said you could have said more politely and I wouldn't have said anything.
I wish you mentioned some level 100 Pokémon use focus sash endeavor priority too, like gen 4 lead Infernape and mamoswine (sometimes). Another is alot of Pokémon with sturdy using countercoat.
Aron has a a special place in my heart. it was easily 10 years ago when it happened but I used to go to pokemon league for the TCG but I also brought my DS sometimes to battle people. I absolutely wrecked the floor with some kid using that Aron strategy then traded him that little monster, I have no idea what he did with it since then, lol
I recall thinking of this idea by accident late in Gen 5 as a kid, when I had this thought of packing endeavor on a Pokémon and finding a good priority move as a cheap KO, of course I never thought to choose a LV1 Pokémon because I thought every mon allowed in PWT/battle subway was set to LV50, but I didn’t think it would be a real competitive strategy at the time.
wow, there's a good few i haven't heard of. probopass actually seems solid since it's kind of hard to tell that your opponent is going for FEAR since Probopass is an otherwise functioning Pokemon
I’m a doubles player mainly but interestingly enough there’s a few sets running around with sash endeavor in the VGC metagame as well. They’ve fallen off a but recently but back in series 1 Lycanroc and Salazzle both sometimes used it as an answer for Dondozo
Literally knew what this was the second I saw Ratata. So many viable counters, but nothing beats the feeling of pulling this off on someone. “60% of the time, it works every time.”
I never got the impression that FEAR was a strategy used in viable competitive pokemon. It was more of a "Shock Value" gimmick to force new players to realize that Pokemon has a lot more strategic diversity than just "Throw all your legendaries at 'em!"
It's not for the competitive scene, it's to traumatize 9 year olds playing online for the first time.
So it’s the best strat ever.
@@WildChargeressentially
It's the Pokemon version of Git Gud and it's very effective. Like Shedinja
@@WildCharger More like a gatekeeper strategy.
Definitely a noob check strategy, if you didn’t bring priority/multi hit moves on your team before that, you will forever bring it on your team after playing against this strat
Source: Got swept by a level 1 Aron and Cottonee in Gen 5
I feel FEAR is like when you find a naked guy in Dark Souls' PVP.
You know the match is going to be a joke and you are the punch line
Except there is stuff like multi-hit moves, entry hazards, Sandstorm and other passive damage that the FEAR user has to play around.
But once those are removed from the equation, yeah.
The rise of multi-strike moves has made this strategy more rare with each gen release
And priority
Obviously it's another weakness but I wouldn't say that, I think perma weather leaving and the abundance of hazards are the main reasons it doesn't really work
Loaded dice means multi-strike moves are actually viable now too, like Baxcalibur's icicle spear, breloom's bullet seed, cloyster doesn't even need loaded dice but still counts, etc. So multi-strike moves are more common and FEAR is harder to pull off because of it. Urshifu-Rapid invalidated the strategy alone, now it's even worse for them.
@@BlueAizu_ And _ability_ negating abilities!
@@OmolonFluidDynamicsEnjoyer Breloom's Bullet Seed was viable since Gen 5 thanks to Technician, but now it's downright silly.
I had no idea that FEAR originally stood for F****** Evil Annoying Rodent. Thanks FSG for making me laugh at competitive Pokémon
It's because everyone uses the other acronym for it due to not wanting to be demonatized by UA-cam for using a curse word in their video. Other people don't use it due to not liking swearing, which lead to the other version becoming the more popular and widely recognized name for this strategy
What are you….8 years old?
only 8yo minds like swearing
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“The opposing Aron recovered a little HP thanks to its shell bell!”
_heals to full_
“A little”
I mean it is a little! Aron just has a little HP to begin with so lol
Makes sense, he's just a little guy
Well yeah 12
12 is a little HP, so they are not wrong
I'd like but it's at 666 lol
I used F.E.A.R. in its original form (Rattata) against Ultra Necrozma in UltraSun. So much fun, the music, the stage, the build-up to the great fight... And the giant apocalyptic Pokemon goes down to quick attack in second turn. Priceless.
That's why alola actually has rattatas because they deter ultra beasts.
I used a Zoroark lol. Ultra Necrozma’s AI isn’t able to handle it.
I did an Ultra Moon Nuzlocke and I used FEAR against Ultra Nwcrozma too! Thank god because I totally would have lost
Fun Fact, in Pokémon XD Gale of Darkness, in one of the Battle CD's where you have to do certain challenges, there is a variation of this strategy where you have to beat a LV 100. Shuckle with a LV. 5 Rattata, this strategy has actually been officially acknowleadge since 2005.
Wasn't the moveset for that lvl 5 Rattata comprised of Super Fang, Toxic and Substitute? But otherwise yes I believe you are correct!
"The Rattata That Roared". #18, if I remember correctly.
Can a level 5 really prevail over a level 100?
@@ShadowOfCicero its #17 but otherwise this is correct
Those Battle CDs were full of niche scenarios like that. I believe there was also one where you needed to beat a Medicham by forcing it to miss High Jump Kick with Protect and another where you had to find a way to deal with Explosion and Selfdestruct a lot, can't recall much about that one but I think it also involved using Protect.
Losing to FEAR honestly was a rite of passage back in gen 4 and 5. I feel like most new to competitive Pokémon players fell for it, or saw a vid about it and used it themselves. I remember thinking it was so OP when I was a kid and first encountered it. FEAR might be the coolest and funniest shock factor set in competitive Pokemon history.
just like prankster copycat roar riolu
Fear or a gimmic team of all the same Pokémon line. You gotta try/lose to one of them at least once. Otherwise, have you really played the game?
surprised at no mention of Scrappy Taillow being a better FEARer than Rattata due to actually hitting Ghosts, but I suppose by the time Gen 5 rolled around to give Taillow Scrappy, the novelty of FEAR had already been killed several times over.
Ground immunity gives it some extra potential to come in on a choiced ground move too
Taillow is pretty funny because it also gets U-Turn. Like, instead of going for the FEAR you just U-Turn out. Pretty funny when your opponent has a Skarmory and you have a Magnezone
A hell naw Terra is even here
Bro turned his taillow into a fearow
Dude
My first online game in gen 5 was against 5 scrappy tailow and a smeargle passing leech seeds
FEAR seems like "the oldest trick in the book" for competitive Pokemon
Pretty much
A more niche one is Scarf Excadrill
@@internetguy7319 People still switch Rotom into Scarf Excadrill to this day though because it's easy to forget what breaking the mold refers to lol.
Also includes them thinking the opponent is foolish and leaving the Rotom in.
nah that would be toxic stall
Man, I feel old if gen 1 tactics isn't part of the oldest trick in the book.
Hahah nah FEAR can die from any indirect damage
This is like the hurdle that separates casuals and competent competitive players, any player who is at least familiar with competitive Pokémon can easily shut down FEAR, usually on turn one, but if you’re a casual with no attention to team building you’re getting rolled.
Hell, I'd say it's a good metric between good competitive players to accurately judge their team's general ability. If your carefully crafted anti-meta team can't deal with the rat, you overspecced.
@@lithoselsteinii6892aka if you don’t have rocks you overspecced
@@energeticgorilla Well, you also need a way to get the FEAR to hit the rocks, right? So either scaring it out or phasing.
@@lithoselsteinii6892 when they switch in? you never lead w fear. tons of teams run wisp rn regardless.
I remember making a FEAR team that was actually able to beat multi-hit move users with endure custap berry destiny bond Frillish. The only multi-hit priority move that can go before custap berry is water shuriken, which Frillish is immune to with water absorb
That turned out to be way too specific of a situation so I switched it to Mimikyu who can actually switch into moves lol
Does it beat stealth rock?
@@alexbeauchamp8627 yup, since endure doesn't require you to be at full hp. But I also had other ways to handle it, such as magic guard Solosis or fake out Togedemaru, who only takes 1 damage from stealth rock and heals it with fake out + shell bell. Rapid spin Pineco is also vital to try and deny the hazards
What about hail/ sandstorm or even poison?
Awesome!
@@Potato_tomato47 you beat it for free with stealth rock up. Any attacking move beats it with entry hazards
I was actually thinking about this recently. And I realized one of the most underrated Pokémon for this strat is actually Tailow. It gets endeavor and quick attack but also has scrappy so it can hit ghost types.
Yea but it got Scrappy in Gen 5, and the sand strat with Aron seemed way better. In gens 4, killing a legendary with a Rattata looked funnier than with a Taillow
Yoo black archeops
@@Squirtle_Squad_Supremacy
This is what people seem to forget these days: Rattata was the poster child for Garbagemons, Pokemon you box early in your playthrough because you have something better. Sure, it could become capable of more, and we know that now with more time for that to enter public view, but at the time, no Pokémon was quite as clear of an example of “crutch character”: the early Bugs were made deliberately weak, and so was Magikarp, but Rattata’s excuse was that it was “just a rat”, and it wasn’t even failed due to movepool, just to being low stats and kind of boring to a lot of people
So for one of the most underwhelming, underpowered, _unremarkable_ Pokémon of all time to be at the new lowest level possible of ONE, and yet somehow beat a box legendary?
It was the very embodiment of David vs Goliath. The Unloved one quickly gained a new reputation in the popular community, one of a scrappy defiance to insurmountable odds
I remember finding this on Showdown while I was on high school, and for some reason it still wasn't as terrifying as petilil
whats the deal with Petilil?
@@leeto64 similar strat, don't remember as it's been 10+ years, leech seed, focus sash, absorb, substitute, and it just drains you slowly every turn, while ending up being unlikable
You might be thinking of cottonee we since it has prankster
@@obi-wankenobean594 I think both did the same strategy. Cottonee is just better at it.
I mean petilil is pretty scary in smash lol
Can we all just pause for a moment and appreciate that Aron is one of the most adorable Pokemon ever?
It is also the most dense I think, being a foot tall and around 230 lbs. No one is picking up this good boy.
Nah, the densest is Cosmoem, who fits in your hand yet has a hilariously massive weight of a damn ton. Sleepy baby star is going to be hard to top.
Alot of gym guys can pick up 230lbs but it aint gonna be easy lmao especially with Aron being so small and awkward to hold
I love its adorable waddle when it gets hit by a move in Battle Revolution
1. Aron is adorable
2. Aggron is dope as hell looking
3. Hehe heh 69 likes lets goooooooo
@@ExeloMinish ah, right. Planetoid orb dethroned adorable steel dino.
Just a note, Endeavor/Dark Void Lvl 1 Smeargle was used in the 2009 Seattle Regional finals
Still waiting on dark void to return to form after the nerf to smeargle.
Came here to post this, actually. FEARgle doesn't get enough respect
The first ever World Championships was won by a Smeargle team, that might have been the same set as well.
@@CyberKnightProbably dark void is not allowed to be good
Smeargle no longer able to learn nerf was a straight up malicious intent from Gamefreak after so many angry cries from competitive players.
Another weakness of fear was abilities like mold breaker that completely ignores sturdy
Most people probably won't mention this, but I really love the artwork you use for the thumbnails of these more 'left-field' videos. It does a great job of portraying the topic in question in a humourous and energetic fashion, and helps to differentiate these niche deep-dives from your Pokemon overviews. Plus, it just looks really cool. Just thought I'd throw that out there!
Marriland vs. Untouchable is still one of my favorite competitive battles to watch, for a few reasons. It's incredibly dumb and the lore behind it is so nostalgic to me
I once ran across a fear user in Pokemon showdown but the fact that bullet punch scizor is like one of my favourite mons completely destroyed the opponent.
in gen 5 there was that gamemode where you have 3 pokemon on a wheel that rotates, I remember aron being quite good there
Rotation battle?
@@danielotano8677yep
Oh wow, I forgot that was a thing.
Rotation Battles were fun. I miss them.
Rotation battles had crazy potential. I used to sweep with Shuckle in this format. Simply use power trick with Shuckle, rotate to trick room setter, then rotate back to Shuckle and commence the slaughter
Shout out to Aerovalkyrie's level 1 team beating Cynthia so early in BW that it wasn't even released overseas. It utilized some FEAR strategies even weirder than what put it on the map, like leech seed loops off of a baton passed substitute from level 1 girafarig, as well as sub-protect toxic stalling.
It was less than a month after it came out in *Japan!*
I had fun with FEAR Taillow at the beginning of Gen 6 when Aegislash was legal and it was way more useful than it should've been. Opponents that knew about FEAR always switched to Aegislash because Ghosts are immune to Normal Attacks, like Endeavor... or so they thought. Apparently, I was the only guy that knew Taillow's Hidden Ability was Scrappy.
My favorite strategy by far(meme-wise)
There’s several ways to have your Pokémon counter a fear ratatta.
1: literally any ghost type, even gastly or misdreavus will do.
2: have a Pokémon that can learn fake out, any will do.
3: a status effect like burn or poison to remove the effect of the sash, or get lucky with confusion.
4: actually know how it works.
5: multi-hit moves like icicle spear, pin missile, dragon darts or *population bomb* will suffice.
Bro forgot priority move
14:15 The way croagunk danced/waddled its way across the field. Ha!
Good to know that the OG Marriland came up with such a legendary strat. Seriously, his walkthroughs were so good.
All u need to beat this is one of the following.
- priority
- multi-hits
- stealth rocks
- spikes
- a ghost type
- trick room
- lagging tail
- tera ghost
- leftovers
- encore
- tricking a choice item
- flinches
- Roar/whirlwind
- mold breaker/ magic room
- rocky helmet
- spiky shield
- burn
- toxic
- a lucky paralyze
- trap move (whirlpool magma storm)
- substitute
it ur team is decent u probably have at minimum 1-2 of these.
I used to challenge kids to 1v1 with their best pokemon for small amounts of money ($5,$10 etc] when I was in middle school using this strategy. I'll never forget my friends face when his level 100 palkia got beat by my ratatta lol
Man, 30 Cents used to be small amounts for me back then. 10€ made me feel rich.
Glad this doubles as "How GOOD was Aron, ACTUALLY?"
F.E.A.R is the manifestation of 'every Pokémon can win any match, if you try hard enough'.
New players using Mewtwo and legendaries got swept by level 1s makes me feel hilarious and fun but also hopes that they don’t get desperate and quit Pokémon after that at the same time
Similar strats showcasing a level 10 Bunnelby beating a level 70 Mewtwo with Endeavour and Quick Attack is even on a video in the official Pokémon channel, about telling the fun of Pokémon battles to kids by beating them up with FEAR
tbf if i had to guess a lot of those "TOXIC SALTY LEGENDARY SPAMMER GETS DESTROYED BY LITTLE CUP TEAM(WITH FACTS AND LOGIC)" videos are either staged or done on the lowest of the lowest rungs of the showdown ladder
There's an official video showing off FEAR? What's the title?
fear is the great little timmy filter
teaching him that a team full of pokemon with only attacking moves is not gonna fly
As you said towards the end this kind of creativity helps you think up your own alternative strats. I'm a Grapploct fan and to have it be useful I use a focus sash and topsy turvy to turn the tables on stat boosters. It's pretty sweet although usually short lived
This is pretty much going to be “How Good was Rattata Actually”
Thanks for this. Marriland's UA-cam presence was a huuuuuge part of why I loved (and still love) Gen 4 to this day - and some of my foremost formative "Internet memories". I still remember the Untouchable fight well to this day.
Idk why but I adore aaron's little walking animation in battle revolution when he gets hit
There is another FEAR mon that i sometimes encounter on showdown: Taillow. He gets access to scrappy, and is pretty much a rattata with more weaknesses.
Fun fact, Barry talks about using a fear strategy with his staravia in the gen 4 games, and even uses a set of it during the journey
If I remember correctly, he mentions using double team, endeavor, and quick attack in tandem for free KOs
Iirc correctly outside Heartholm he says "I've discovered the ultimate strategy, never get hit and always hit your attacks"
I discovered this strat by accident on my first playthrough of Pearl back in 2011
I felt like I had destroyed the game
It's because of stuff like this why Stealth Rock, Spikes, Leech Seed, Toxic, Infestation, Sandstorm, and Hail all exist.
All hail the almighty passive damage.
FEAR is like a fool's mate in chess.
Never used seriously, used to teach new players always to look ahead/for the gimmick
I remember doing online on Black and White on Wifi Rotation, and that battle format allowed this infamous strategy to work even more.
Have a Sandstorm Pokemon enter and immediately rotate into Aron with Shell Bell for a one turn KO, for example.
I was introduced to FEAR through FEAron solo sweeping an entire opposing team, so he always holds a special place in my heart
I've tried to do a similar thing with Aggron. The set being Sturdy, Custap Berry, Metal Burst, Endeavor, probably Head Smash and some steel move. Man I love Aggron.
This actually happened me in a Ruby playthrough! I skipped one of the very early trainers, and I ran into him long after I had beaten the Champion. For absolute overkill, I switched to my Lv90 Swampert, and my heart sank as I saw the healthbar go down and down.
Kinda sad Cottonee and Whimsicott's level 1 Prankster Subseed shenanigans only got a brief mention, but I guess that's content for How Good Was Whimsicott Actually
Whimsicott is a sick support Pokemon. Prankster Tailwind alone is unique enough for it to preform a very unique role for the team
Great video! Kinda surprised he didn't mention that multi-hit moves also destroy most of these strats - it's what I primarly used to deal with them.
14:20 seeing the wynaut and croagunk walk up to each other at high speeds is funny
Kind of hoped there would've at least been a mention of the training disc in XD Gale of Darkness that pitched you, a lvl 1 Rattata against lvl 100 Aerodactyl. I think it was even called "Can a level 1 beat a level 100?" That was back in gen 3 already
Rattata: FEAR ME! HA HA HA! I AM THE STONGEST RODENT!
Maushold: May I introduce myself? **Uses Population Bomb**
I feel like level 1 Clefable was one of the best users of this strategy. Magic Guard protects it from having the sash broken from rocks / sand etc while it has Stealth Rocks, Knock Off, Twave etc to support if the opponent tries to switch into a ghost or Leftovers Pokemon. With hail or sand support it could often guarantee a kill at best, setup hazards and paralyze something at worse. Best of all players would see a Clefable and switch to Heatran or something assuming they were level 100 as per usual only to get nailed for 99% by Endeavor which even at full health would be devastating.
Level 2 clefable you mean? Clefairy wasn't available at lv1
@@shawnli4746 Yeah probably lol. 5th gen was a while ago.
as someone who never really was involved in competitive pokemon, when i learned about FEAR it was one of the first time i really realized how strategic pokemon could actually be. as a kid who never used setup moves and rarely used items, i had never seen what the appeal would be of competitive pokemon, so FEAR and whatever that one shuckle strategy was definitely opened my eyes!!
I only vaguely heard of FEAR prior to this, so I learned quite a bit
If you have a Greninja that knows water shuriken, especially if it has battle bond, you completely counter the fear strategy. You'll have a priority multi hit move that can give Greninja a free transformation.
Fear is a perfect example of a skill check
The epiphany of team checks:
1) counters Landorus in any way
2) Balanced typings
3) Has guaranteed anti-FEAR
@Austrian American Atheist that is the requirement, either you have Landorus or something that counters him.
@Austrian American Atheist it’s the meta, so there’s nothing you can do unfortunately
@Austrian American Atheist yeah… or at least banned or something
I remember hearing about FEAR in middle school and being like "no way a rattata can knock out any pokemon"
I love these videos. They're such a fresh take on the "How Good Was ______ Actually" by examining strategies. Now I eagerly await one for Prankster, which IMO is the most OP ability in the game.
*gholdengo is typing*
@@matthewcass3773 "Hahaha why use Rapid Spin? We have Defog now haha get rekt entry hazards!" *Gholdengo stares motherfuckingly*
Loved the pause at "And that tier was... DPP Little Cup 😐"
He said the name Marriland and I fully got Ratatouille'd back to being a 6 year old child on the playground discussing the cool hip new Pokemon games for the cool hip new DS. FEAR Rattata was a mystical thing back then.
Funny enough I actually used a Ratata named Ratatouille when I used the FEAR strat back in the day, even if the Aron strat was deemed better
i got stomped by FEAR the first time i played an online battle in Diamond and that got me into competitive battling. great video!
Who would win?
A pokemon able to take down level 100 legendaries in 1 turn?
Or a seed spittin boy?
Nice mini double feature there. That said, one could say the FEAR strategy is the opposite of the Baton Pass strategy in terms of competitive usability & especially skill needed.
Great video. I'd love to see an updated remake of how good was Venusaur, actually, alla Charizard. The Bulbasaur line is some of my favorite starters.
It’s funny watching people get absolutely destroyed by FEAR strats, but it’s arguably funnier to watch FEAR strats fail miserably
I love that pretty much the easiest way to beat this is just by switching
Me, a guy who grew up on Gen 1/2 and last checked in for black/white:
"Hmm... going to need more than earthquake, here."
I do think pokemon has done a lot to alleviate its early weaknesses. Although I believe by gen 3, there were "survives with 1 hp" things out there I'd started incorporating solutions for.
Though the hilarity of seeing a level 1 rattata blow away a level 100 anything is not lost on me. Plenty of ways to deal with it, but certainly something that runs against how many like myself experienced pokemon.
I thought Swinub was good, because it was immune to Hail and Sandstorm.
Focus Sash, Ice Shard, Endeavor, Swinub
I remember back in high school, I had a friend say there was no way my legitimate level one Rattata could defeat his level 100 Pokémon. I told him it was possible and I was willing to bet money on it. After a week, we brought our DS’s to our science class and EVERYONE was HYPED to watch the battle and everyone hurdled over to watch us, thinking I was going to get sweeped. I quickly won and got a $50 gift card, and it wasn’t until the battle ended that he said “Ohhhhhh I should’ve known you were gonna use that strategy” even though he said previously he couldn’t think of how I could win without cheats. Good times.
Even if it's mostly useless, FEAR Aron helped me win Triple Battles in the Battle Maison
I reckon it must be the most useful it's ever been there
I really liked the format of this video! Highlighting a strategy, then highlighting a Pokemon that used it in a competitive tier towards the end, whether they used that strategy in the tier or otherwise.
Surprised Smeargle didn't get mentioned since it could not only abuse this strat but also use it in conjunction with Spore and spikes.
FEAR is basically the noob check for Pokémon. If you have a general idea on how Pokémon works, you can counter it easily. If you don't (I.e. just starting out with all legendaries) you'll be confused as to what happened
Fear rattatta is one of the best cheese (punintended) strats ever
FEAR is every newcomer’s of rite of passage into the deeper nuances of Pokémon, competitive or otherwise.
don't let this distract you from the fact that he finally pronounced reuniclus properly!
It's always fun to see that the "Most replayed" part of most videos these days is the end of the ad read.
You failed to mention that Level 1 Aron was an absolute annoyance in VGC. Sure it didn't win tournaments but it most certainly disrupted players.
That and Perish Trap teams.
perish trap is still a viable strategy used somewhat commonly in vgc today
I think it’s just a hardcore litmus test strategy. If you can’t prepare for any situation, including this, then you deserve to lose a Pokémon. “Get good, scrub,” is basically what’s being said here with this test.
I know FEAR wasn't the best strategy, but it was powerful enough that you had to account for it when team building. And if you saw a little guy in team preview you had to make sure to save the right guys to handle it. Losing to FEAR was too embarrassing. So it did shape the meta even if you didn't see it terribly often.
If your team is completely without ghost, ground, rock, and steel types, has no priority, nothing with leftovers, and no multi hit moves, you probably didn’t build a good team in the first place. You had to actively avoid making counters for FEAR to lose to it or, more likely, be dumb enough to lose your counter to it before it came in, in which case it wasn’t FEAR you lost to, it was yourself.
@@Natibe_ You may be in some respect correct but I also think by the tone I'm getting that perhaps you should go outside.
I don't think you needed to account for FEAR when team building, it's just something that you end up countering by virtue of making a halfway viable team. Fake Out, leftovers, any multi hit move, changing the weather, status, etc all shut it down and were just an ordinary part of team building instead of something to be consciously aware of
@@AdaptiveReasoning I mean your original statement is just flat out wrong though. Not one of my teams was built with FEAR in mind and yet on the very rare occasions I run into it I beat it easily. Additionally, in serious play you don’t see it at all so even if you somehow had no way to beat it you would be fine. Natibe isn’t “in some aspect” correct, they’re completely correct and you’re trying to invalidate it with the “touch grass” argument as if it makes you right.
No. I was correct. They are also correct. You did have to think about FEAR when building a team, especially if you were new, it was possible to accidentally put the wrong six pokemon together and not realize it until you ran into the baby rock lizard, (especially in lower tiers). If you knew what you were doing (by nature of "getting good") you would probably have your bases covered. They are right in that respect.
They (and y'all) just have a tone problem and need some perspective. What I said isn't that big a deal. We're in the UA-cam comments, we're strangers, this is about a video game and a meta that I did dabble in at the time it was current. And I do remember when I would put stuff together that I did think about it a wee bit. That is all.
Go in peace, be at peace, this isn't something you get snippy about. Everything y'all said you could have said more politely and I wouldn't have said anything.
The classic Endeavor / Pain Split + Sturdy / Focus Sash + Shell Bell + Quick Attack strategy that I never properly knew how to use it
The FEAR strat only works in noob battles. Stealth rock, sandstorm, etc would destroy these strats.
this was good. i liked this one. putting aron's dpp lc stint in there at the end was a nice touch. i'm glad y'all care again.
I wish you mentioned some level 100 Pokémon use focus sash endeavor priority too, like gen 4 lead Infernape and mamoswine (sometimes). Another is alot of Pokémon with sturdy using countercoat.
Zoroark,Malamar & Ratatat: ...
Ultra Necrozma: *Confused Screaming*
Happy aron gets its moment. What a cute little rock goober
Rattata walked so that Pachirisu could run
Ah yes, the FEAR tactic. AKA: "I'll stop cheating as soon as you stop spamming minmaxed legendaries."
The temp specail
Aron has a a special place in my heart. it was easily 10 years ago when it happened but I used to go to pokemon league for the TCG but I also brought my DS sometimes to battle people. I absolutely wrecked the floor with some kid using that Aron strategy then traded him that little monster, I have no idea what he did with it since then, lol
I recall thinking of this idea by accident late in Gen 5 as a kid, when I had this thought of packing endeavor on a Pokémon and finding a good priority move as a cheap KO, of course I never thought to choose a LV1 Pokémon because I thought every mon allowed in PWT/battle subway was set to LV50, but I didn’t think it would be a real competitive strategy at the time.
and it never was an real competitive strategy xd
I remember watching Marriland's game where he used that strategy. My god that was 15+ years ago, how time flies.
0:53 just use extreme speed lol
wow, there's a good few i haven't heard of. probopass actually seems solid since it's kind of hard to tell that your opponent is going for FEAR since Probopass is an otherwise functioning Pokemon
Honestly the main use I had for this was using it to get Pokémon down to 1 hp so I could catch them easier in game.
false swipe is much better for that purpose
You were burning a focus sash to catch wild pokemon? I could see sturdy strats but why not just false swipe?
@@dengar96 in scarlet and violet you don't lose your focus sash after the battle
Fortunately, I have Dark Man 4, which isn't a Pokémon so it isn't afraid of F.E.A.R.
Now imagine if dugtrio had endeavor and extreme speed with nothing added to defenses or hp and a focus sash
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why I always have a multi-hit pokemon.
Ghost types laugh at this
Tallow says hi
At most of them yes!
However there is another!
SEAFT: Scrappy, Endovor, Focus Sash, Quick Attack, Tallow
@@frazzianimations9027 it's called SAFE
I’m a doubles player mainly but interestingly enough there’s a few sets running around with sash endeavor in the VGC metagame as well. They’ve fallen off a but recently but back in series 1 Lycanroc and Salazzle both sometimes used it as an answer for Dondozo
Literally knew what this was the second I saw Ratata. So many viable counters, but nothing beats the feeling of pulling this off on someone. “60% of the time, it works every time.”
"TROLLING * SALTY * LEGENDARY SPAMMER WITH LV1 RATTATA"