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The coating inside is not paint, it's a lining meant for contact with fuel only. Wavian fuel cans are explicitly not meant for use with water because it will deteriorate that lining. He put water in this can to test it for leaks when he drove on top of it in the other video. It won't come off like that if the can is only used for fuel.
I couldn't agree more. That's way you should get the original ones for €28 from valpro.lv (the manufacture of the Wavian!). You still don't want the poor coating, but it hurts less :)
Not sure why you guys don’t get it . All Valpro and Wavian cans have these liners. That is one of the reasons they have been in service for over 80 years. That is one of their advantages over all other metal cans . They won’t rust . They are strictly a fuel can . Used with the liner for over 80 years in the military and other users that understand.
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It's not paint chipping, it's the internal lining deteriorating because he filled that can with water. The lining is soluble in water and meant for contact with fuel only. This is noted on the FAQs page on the wavian website. wavianusa.com/pages/fuel-can-faqs (this won't happen when fuel is contaminated with small amounts of water.)
@@cwatson42785 something tells me that you didn't pay attention in chemistry class. Just because one solvent dissolves something doesn't mean that other solvent will as well. In this case water has polar molecules and gasoline is non-polar, which is probably why the coating reacts to one but not the other. Its basic chemistry.
I grew up in remote areas of Australia and travelled extensively with my father in 1960’s and 70’s in early Toyota Landcruisers. We used army surplus Jerry cans and always had issues with the lining separating and contaminating fuel. This was often as a result of water contaminated fuel rusting the inside. The problem was so common that we invariably used a yellow funnel available in those days which had a fine mesh filter which also excluded water (mostly but not perfect). The lining looks very similar to what I saw 50 years ago. We actually saw plastic cans as a vast improvement.
it almost makes me wonder if uncoated is what i want now ! I dont want that coating flaking off and getting into my carbs on my equipment !! I think uncoated might be better in the long run , Maybe ??
The coating inside is not paint, it's a lining meant for contact with fuel only. Wavian fuel cans are explicitly not meant for use with water because it will deteriorate that lining. He put water in this can to test it for leaks when he drove on top of it in the other video. It won't come off like that if the can is only used for fuel.
Alex L. They’re only flaking because he put water in em. The coating is water soluble, and for you dipshits in this comment section it means it will deteriorate and flake when in contact with water for a while. Won’t happen with gas because the chemical reaction isn’t the same
Not Angel Well, everyone has a preference, and for $80 it’s good to know the drawbacks of these cans. Won’t happen to everyone but there are ways someone could accidentally get water inside. It’s just a weakness in an $80 design.
From Wavian USA: "Wavian Fuel Cans are lined with a special internal coating that is meant for contact with fuel and oil only. It is soluble in water and will not only contaminate the water, but it will deteriorate. Fear not, this won't happen with fuel and there are no issues of flaking or dissolving under normal conditions. We offer BPA-free, food-grade plastic water cans for potable water storage and transportation. Note: Fuel contaminated with small amounts of water won't be detrimental to the lining."
On the bottom of my Wavian cans I glued a sheet of cork to reduce denting, banging and smashing on the bottom, also reduces their tendency to slide around. Something that might be easier to apply and more rugged is spray-on truck bed-liner. Cheers, Mark *****************************
I have to say, I was supprised to see the Wavian coating peel off like that. I thought they used a ruberised coating. Good video. We need to see more like this.
Thomas Lindroos yeah they don't coat the inside because it can flake off and it causes everything to get clogged up. There's a video where the coating on the inside of an aftermarket oil pan flaked off and destroyed the whole engine.
I believe they coat the cans so they can be kept in storage for long lengths of time, without fuel in them. Like a motorcycle fuel tank, if its empty it will rust. Ive seen many motorcycle tanks sit for years with less than a full tank of fuel. The tank will rust down to the top of the fuel. Below the fuel line will be nice clean metal. Ive also sern many motorcycle tanks that were only partially filled with fuel, and having a good sealed cap, not rist above or below the furl level. But, I havent that on any tanks that have sat more than a couple years. The only thing I can guess is the vapors help protect the metal for so long. Once the fuel starts to degrade, the vapors from the fuel (if there is any on degraded fuel) are not enuff to protect the metal. Its common knowledge, with all the old biker guys I know, too top of the motorcycle tank, then treat the fuel before storing a bike for the winter. In the spring, drain the fuel out, use it for the lawn mower. Put fresh gas in.
I have to tell you of my experience with the good cans, I have to. I started purchasing them back when they were $35ish on cheaper than dirt, had to pay the shipping. I only have 12 now, I felt compelled to give some to family and friends because of what I learned. At my brothers house, he had about 12 red plastic jugs in his garage and when I visited the smell was so strong. My father and I replaced with the good cans, he was in the hospital. Neighbor across the street has one, next door has one because I shared. I put PRIG in (I put extra in) and I am using 5 year old gasoline in my mowers that surely has ethanol in it or did. Might be a miracle or just dumb luck, but they'll keep gasoline fresh a long time. Just my observation. Thanks for the good videos. Alan C.
I have to finish up, it doesn't let me edit and I'm new to this but I bought a bunch of the 'spouts' but find it is easier to just use a funnel and well, they're kind of heavy when they're full. That's it. AC
I recall the bulk deals from CTD for genuine surplus NATO cans during the NATO switch to plastic. I bought a few 'a' grade and several 'seconds', some of which were WW2 dated! I currently have one of them, a 1943 British can, on my restored Willys MB.
andrew, The switch to plastic Scepter cans was part of the move to Diesel, and the termination of multifuel vehicles as a standard. The US Army no longer uses gasoline for mission critical equipment. Given the higher flashpoint and the relative safety of Diesel fuel, plastic makes sense. Plastic does not rust. It weighs less. It is significantly less costly. And, who cares if a diesel can melts? It probably still won't ignite, and certainly won't explode like gasoline does. This change would not have happened if they were still utilizing gasoline.
So no more "mogas"? I got out in 1980. Our jeeps and the M88 tank recovery vehicles ran on gasoline. Generators also ran on mogas then and we had those metal flexible spouts then in the dark ages😁.
First Name Last Name I really can’t see your point. A steel jerry can full of gasoline is as dangerous proposition as a plastic one. With a steel can you have to worry about static electricity, potential spark hazards while being handled or jostled and if it is exposed to fire the shell shouldn’t melt but the weld or rubber gasket will and ignite the contents. A jerry can on fire is already in a failure mode no matter its composition and a steel can presents more possible ignition sources.
The coating inside Wavian fuel cans is not paint, it's a lining meant for contact with fuel only. Wavian fuel cans are explicitly not meant for use with water because it will deteriorate that lining. He put water in this can to test it for leaks when he drove on top of it in the other video. It won't come off like that if the can is only used for fuel.
@@wranglerstar Glad you found out about that, and I agree. I've been heavily invested in Wavians for a couple of years. Lost most of them last year in the Camp Fire in Paradise, CA. Actually used some during the fire to make our 6 hour escape over the mountain. The ones I left behind in my shop expanded like balloons and off-gassed, but never blew. Have some photos. Incidentally, Wavian was based in Paradise and burnt out in the Camp Fire, but relocated offices to Chico after. Hope they address this issue, and am a bit sad to hear, but doubt that will help those of us that have invested in them in bulk over time. Please update us if/when you hear back, and thanks for the test.
@@wranglerstar They're going to tell you that the coating is water soluble and that by filling that can with water it was bound to flake and peel. If you want an uncoated Wavian can thats also rust resistant, the only choice is their Explo-Safe line, those are filled with an Aluminum mesh which prevents explosions and also serves as a sacrificial anode. see here www.jerrycans.co.uk/product-category/steel-fuel-cans/explo-safe-fuel-cans/
Given that they claim that their cans are pickled prior to painting... Clearly, that was not the case for this can, or the paint would have bonded to the metal.
The video was on LUCAS fuel stabilizer which amazingly enough didn't work at all and even rendered the gasoline inflammable. I hope he tests other brands because I know some that work well.
California has has ethanol, and it has a tendency of collecting water. So if you buy unlined metal gas cans, you can buy a material called Red Kot. Pour it into your can, roll it around inside the can, and coat it yourself.
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I'm seeing the seam of the China can standing proud and I have been under the impression that could be a weak point. The wavians seam appeared "tucked" in to protect it as well. Great vid. Yeah I know its an older vid but still great comparison. Thanks 👍
Wouldn't a propane tank and and propane generator be a better power solution? You could have gotten a 125 gallon propane tank for less than cost of the red cans alone. Plus propane stores indefinitely.
Yea, I began thinking I was the only one with this thought. I dont blame him wanting to change things up from time to time, but it's become quick videos where usually has something he is trying to sell you. Then after the video you get the "link" to amazon the following day. I also noticed if someone posts a negative comment he writes back with something very negative.
This was a very fair video. It exposed the eventual, if not already present, very high chance of particulate paint flakes and rust contaminating the fuel. The thick plastic cans are the only safe path.
@@alexandermenzies9954 It's not paint, it's a lining meant for contact with fuel only. Wavian fuel cans are explicitly not meant for use with water because it will deteriorate that lining. He put water in this can to test it for leaks when he drove on top of it in the other video. It won't come off like that if the can is only used for fuel.
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Hope for the best man, but prepare for the worst. Always have a couple months of food and water on hand. Try and keep a couple tankfuls of gas and/or other fuels on hand as well.
I bought a NoSpill brand fuel can years back and ever since that’s all I will ever buy, they have the best designed button on the market and last forever. Plastic will never rust nor will the coating come off.
Most people don’t realise that plastic cans have a recommended 10 years life span. Condensation will build up in your can regardless of water in the fuel from the gas station. Best way to reduce the problem is to keep the cans full if possible. Cheers Stuart 🇦🇺
If you do want to store gasoline, make sure its not ethanol based, we bought 200 gallons in a transfer tank for our generator and the fuel was unusable after 1.5yrs it created lots of yellow Crystal's in the bottom of the tank and the water content was nearly 30% due to the vent system allowing the ethanol to absorb water from air. We recently switched over to natural gas on generator and bought a 300 gallon tank to store it....
Got to spend that UA-cam money has to get his tax deductions for before the end of the year. Yeah I think a 55 gallon drum would be much more feasible I agree with that other guy and a whole lot cheaper
Hey Cody, why can't someone make a fuel bladder system that is integrated into the metal can that is similar to the one used on aeroplanes? Then you wouldn't have to worry about dents, rust and bits of the coating flaking off and causing fuel contamination?
I went hog-wild a couple years ago and bought 12 of the scepter military cans. Can definitely vouch for the quality however they do expand greatly when the temperature rises and noticed some evaporation issues when gas was stored in excess of 2 years. Additionally the Caps can be difficult to get off if you don't have the special wrench. In addition I have the large flexible hose nozzle with the screen inside and noticed I too was getting some flaking from some of my cans. I couldn't quite figure out where or why but it was definitely coming from the gas cans and not the diesel cans... Thinking of the ordering some of those wavian cans just to even out the mix
For $80, they could make it in stainless steel. Unless you are talking superalloys, stainless steel is not some kind of exotic material. We make cheap cookware out of it.
Cody, this is confirmation that diesel should never be stored in these cans, no matter where they're made. Common rail diesel engines are great but they require the fuel to have NO particulate matter washing around. Unfortunately, plastic is the only safe way. On the (Antipodean) farm right now there are yellow plastic cans for diesel and red for the Cessna avgas. Thanks for the look inside.
It's not paint, it's a lining meant for contact with fuel only. Wavian fuel cans are explicitly not meant for use with water because it will deteriorate that lining. He put water in this can to test it for leaks when he drove on top of it in the other video. It won't come off like that if the can is only used for fuel.
@@alexandermenzies9954 The coating is good for the life of the can as long as it's not filled with water. Condensation or fuel contaminated with small amounts of water won't be a problem. Wavian mentions this on their FAQs page (wavianusa.com/pages/fuel-can-faqs)
The Wavian website clearly states DO NOT store water in their metal cans because it will break-down the interior coating. Also, Wavian does indeed make a stainless steel version of their jerry cans in all three sizes with both bayonet or screw-top openings.
I would go with the uncoated, my '51 tractor has a bare steel tank and it's spotless. Every gas motor I own has a filter and I will take rust over broken down coating sludge any day.
Yeah, just thought the same. And how long would it take for an uncoated one to rust? Probably a long, long time. Am using mine for petrol. Am not worried at all.
Thank you for this and your other videos. Just was looking at jerry cans for an overlanding build and getting rid of the plastic throw aways. When i saw "Wranglstar" I knew i would get the best explanation on the web. THANKS!
@@ivermec-tin666 tanks are visible and random people come by and help themselves when your not home, or when you are.... the unlocked one should always be 1 gal fuel and 95 gal water...
@@Morgan2XL As far as diesel is concerned, a tank can be concealed or visible as you wish. A wire frame cube enclosed plastic tank suitable for diesel and built for transport via pallet jack is readily available for small dollars. These can be stored in an out building. They are used for transporting bulk liquids such as olive oil, internationally. Re: thieves. That is what cameras, dogs, and guns are for. Security needs to be part of the design plan for a homestead. A decoy tank full of contaminated fuel is time and money that could be better used in improving the security and defensability of the homestead. Gasoline is more complicated. Diesel is inherently much less dangerous.
You have some great looking cans there Cody. As for the Kerosene that's a fortune in fuel... Well at least here in TX we don't have kerosene at the pump so it's $8 a gallon or more at the borg.
After seeing the liner on the inside I will stick with my Scepter Military cans out of Canada. They have no coating and I have not had a lick of trouble with them. They are hard to come by but I buy a few each time I go up.
thanks for the testing. I was looking for a fuel can and this video helped me pick.... being that these type of can's can't be shipped to California. I had to have them drop shipped for delivery
I‘be seen in the prepper community guys using car gas tanks mounted to a frame for gas storage and a lot cheaper than this solution 150 - 200 for around 30 gallon tanks.
@@mikerossi411 you put low value or temporary items in it, valuables should be bolted down if someone is worried about break-ins. Like stowe away pocket items, firearms ect. when its in your sight. Or make it a tool box. Everyone's situation is different i guess
As far as stabilizers in fuel, keeping air out may count just as much. WW2 diesel in metal barrels was found to be good when the barrels were opened 50 years later. I always add StaBil (more readily available locally then Pri-G) the same day I buy gas (rotating through four 5 gallon plastic cans for yard work and generator use). I normally keep the cans in sequence by purchase date (tag on the can) but I'm old (75+) and occasionally have "help" that doesn't always pay attention to details such as dates :-( All of that leads up to me using gas that was purchased, treated and left in the can - and out of rotation - for 2 years. It worked fine in all the lawn equipment and the gens. Nothing scientific in my tests, just that treated gas kept in a tightly closed container does last at least 2 years. With limited solar power that's backed up by a 1600 watt inverter gen, we'd have treated gas for gen use on 15-20 non-sunny days at a gallon a day. plus what's in the vehicles (usually about 20-25 gallons).
It's not paint, it's a lining meant for contact with fuel only. Wavian fuel cans are explicitly not meant for use with water because it will deteriorate that lining. He put water in this can to test it for leaks when he drove on top of it in the other video. It won't come off like that if the can is only used for fuel.
Totally getting one of those flex nozzles to supplement my jiggle siphon. I keep 30 gallons on hand for hurricane season prep. I also cycle through my fuel cans so every month I use a can and refill it to keep it as fresh as possible. Can’t find non ethanol fuel nearby so I hope my system works in the long run
I finally gave up on the metal military style cans and went with Justrite 7150100 cans. The round design is much stronger when it comes to deforming from gas expansion in the heat and doesnt tip over in the back of the truck. However, they take up more space when storing multiple cans next to each other. The last few I purchased was at zoro tools for something like $34 each.
I worked for a major gas station chain many years ago as a maintenance technician. All of the gas tanks in the ground have water in them and a lot. Every now and then you have to go in there and pump it out. At one gas station I pumped out two 50 gallon drums worth of water from all of the tanks. That was the worst one out of about 20 or stations, others it was maybe ten gallons. The station pumps don't take a suction off of the bottom of the tanks so they can have a lot of water in them with out getting into your vehicle. But there you go, water is there with the gas.
Do not gloss over the Wavian vent design. It is so much better then the chineesium. I have both and what i found is the Wavian vent allows for a bigger opening. This is relevant in two ways (that I found). 1. I have seen in previous videos you have a terra pump. Try inserting the pump/motor end into the Wavian and then try to insert it in the chineesium. It won't fit on the chineesium. 2. Filling the cans. Off Road diesel pumps have an enlarged end on the nozzle (at least where I live) that prevents you from inserting the pump into a vehicles fill up. This enlarged end will also prevent you from inserting the pump nozzle into the chineesium cans making fill up without spilling nearly impossible. The enlarged pump nozzle fits inside the Wavian. It is close but it fits. I would gladly pay an extra 50.00 after going through those 2 frustrations a few times. Probably make up for the cost difference in spilled fuel over several years. Thank you for your content.
Hard to find a good source of them in the US. Not old diesel used ones that are a PITA to clean. I've got a guy who buys them in Canada but lives in Northern WA. He sells them for $100 each plus shipping. I've been debating buying a couple.
Hard pass on those. That coating is 110% unacceptable and I wouldn’t trust them at all. I don’t care how well built the outside looks, they skipped over the most important part. Poor workmanship.
Just purchased two Wavian Diesel cans. For what I paid I expected them to be finished better inside. As you say diesel inhibits rust and fuel filters will do their job with paint flakes but I just expected more.
I have 5 blitz jerry cans, the spout is called a Donkey, yes my spouts are the lever style Donkey and they have a screen in the tip that is removable to clean. Glad I got them when they were reasonably priced back in the 80’s
2dthoughts I use the nato/waivian cans. I’ve stored ethanol free fuel with pri-g for over 5 years. I’ve had no negative effects or issues within that time line. After the first of the year I will be opening fuel that’s over 6 years old. We’ll see how it fairs. If it’s anything like the 5 year old fuel, I’ll be more than happy. Nothinfancy has a water storage series on UA-cam. It’s a wealth of knowledge. I would suggest watching that series
Projectfarm just did a 9 month test on fuel stabilizer you should check it out. Anyway great video. Also please don't use staball as it will turn your fuel lines brittle I always recend rather amsoil fuel stabalizer or seafoam.
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You can probably get the nozzles shipped from canada we don't have those crazy gas can laws
Well Done Mrs W !! That was exactly how a commercial should be done.
Genuine and unforced.
I'd buy it ! :)
I can resalinate the oceans. But does anyone care anymore? Fish safe tide charged turbines, saw a river version of them on you tube, add man made dissolving salt /nutrient blocks added to soft dissolving chamber.
Jeesh guys, should we really be so gloomy.
- Marvin
Wranglerstars a gas can.
Mrs. W
Her thoughts not mine.
ua-cam.com/video/UvS_D4_lF5U/v-deo.html here is a good watch for you not that you are running ethanol
Looks good!!!
I agree with others, for $80 the Wavian has no excuse for such a poor quality coating. Cody, contact them about this.
The coating inside is not paint, it's a lining meant for contact with fuel only. Wavian fuel cans are explicitly not meant for use with water because it will deteriorate that lining. He put water in this can to test it for leaks when he drove on top of it in the other video. It won't come off like that if the can is only used for fuel.
Sven3xs it’s not BS, it’s science. The lining is soluble in water, not fuel.
I couldn't agree more. That's way you should get the original ones for €28 from valpro.lv (the manufacture of the Wavian!). You still don't want the poor coating, but it hurts less :)
Not sure why you guys don’t get it . All Valpro and Wavian cans have these liners. That is one of the reasons they have been in service for over 80 years. That is one of their advantages over all other metal cans . They won’t rust . They are strictly a fuel can . Used with the liner for over 80 years in the military and other users that understand.
@@mauricehuffman2743 I just don't get how water will deteriorate it but fuel won't? That seems preposterous to me.
As expensive of a can that Wavian is, the inside coating is unacceptable.
Agreed. Espically at $80 a can.
@@AAairsoft1 Especially since no sane person uses a Metal can any more
Dave Martin metal cans can store gas longer than plastic.
@@triumphovertragedy7860 nothing but what
@ I run 100LL in most of my small engines and jts good for about 3 years. Longer if I add stabilizer. Not all fuel is equal :)
One upside to cutting open the wavian is file the rough edges down and you have a nice sturdy pan for cleaning parts in gasoline👌
You and I think alike,
Dang thats like 1,400$ in cans I would be a little upset with the shauty Internal coating
Shauty?
Meant shoddy
@@Chevydevil that makes sense I thought of "shawty" the way he typed it lol
@@StreetRocketJoe and you think he would disclose that ..... He's just a sellout fireman everyone thinks he's genuine.... Amazon cheapest...(he has affiliate links)
Street Rocket Joe That’s only a law in certain countries, is the US one of them?
Feel like you should have cut them open before you bought out their inventory. 😂
@@Machiones 😆😆😂
It's not paint chipping, it's the internal lining deteriorating because he filled that can with water. The lining is soluble in water and meant for contact with fuel only. This is noted on the FAQs page on the wavian website. wavianusa.com/pages/fuel-can-faqs (this won't happen when fuel is contaminated with small amounts of water.)
@@SwissLinkMilitarySurplus so you're telling me fuel doesn't degrade it but water does??? Lol I'm not buying it.
@@cwatson42785 something tells me that you didn't pay attention in chemistry class. Just because one solvent dissolves something doesn't mean that other solvent will as well. In this case water has polar molecules and gasoline is non-polar, which is probably why the coating reacts to one but not the other. Its basic chemistry.
@@SwissLinkMilitarySurplus Water can get into gas from condensation - the coating isn't acceptable.
I grew up in remote areas of Australia and travelled extensively with my father in 1960’s and 70’s in early Toyota Landcruisers. We used army surplus Jerry cans and always had issues with the lining separating and contaminating fuel. This was often as a result of water contaminated fuel rusting the inside. The problem was so common that we invariably used a yellow funnel available in those days which had a fine mesh filter which also excluded water (mostly but not perfect). The lining looks very similar to what I saw 50 years ago. We actually saw plastic cans as a vast improvement.
Why? Are fuel tanks themselves made out of metal?
@@bombtwenty3867 Car fuel tanks are plastic now
Thanks for the comment juliet
But what about longterm storage?
For the cost of those cans they should be perfect when you get them.
Can not disagree more.
he bought the cans already dent ,at lower price
He said he bought them at a discount cuz they weren’t perfect...
@@thoth111 what are you talking about? You never purchased any bulk items before? This is completely fine. He bought them at a discount.
He got a discount from them being scratched. Hence why he mentioned it. 85 dollars new, 65 scratched
I'm sceptical of that coating flaking regardless of the dents..
it almost makes me wonder if uncoated is what i want now ! I dont want that coating flaking off and getting into my carbs on my equipment !! I think uncoated might be better in the long run , Maybe ??
@@warrenmichael918 I was thinking the same thing if it's minor rust thats better than paint flaking off and clogging a carburetor
I was about to comment fuel filters are for this reason, now I am not sure small motors have them.....
The coating inside is not paint, it's a lining meant for contact with fuel only. Wavian fuel cans are explicitly not meant for use with water because it will deteriorate that lining. He put water in this can to test it for leaks when he drove on top of it in the other video. It won't come off like that if the can is only used for fuel.
@magadon ruferto This won't happen when fuel is contaminated with small amounts of water.
I would personnaly go with plastic can to avoid paint flaking inside honestly :P
Alex L. Or go with just rite metal cans - galvanized instead of coated inside
Just no good for diesel if I remember correctly
Scepter cans. They are hard to find but by far the best. They have no coating. I buy mine in Canada and get a few more each time I visit.
Alex L. They’re only flaking because he put water in em. The coating is water soluble, and for you dipshits in this comment section it means it will deteriorate and flake when in contact with water for a while. Won’t happen with gas because the chemical reaction isn’t the same
Not Angel Well, everyone has a preference, and for $80 it’s good to know the drawbacks of these cans. Won’t happen to everyone but there are ways someone could accidentally get water inside. It’s just a weakness in an $80 design.
From Wavian USA:
"Wavian Fuel Cans are lined with a special internal coating that is meant for contact with fuel and oil only. It is soluble in water and will not only contaminate the water, but it will deteriorate. Fear not, this won't happen with fuel and there are no issues of flaking or dissolving under normal conditions. We offer BPA-free, food-grade plastic water cans for potable water storage and transportation. Note: Fuel contaminated with small amounts of water won't be detrimental to the lining."
7:41 infomercial finishes, you’re welcome
Didn't think I would ever say this to another man but nice looking cans 😄😄
This is the 1st time you said that sober and out loud
On the bottom of my Wavian cans I glued a sheet of cork to reduce denting, banging and smashing on the bottom, also reduces their tendency to slide around. Something that might be easier to apply and more rugged is spray-on truck bed-liner.
Cheers, Mark
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@@jayhat Hey, Nice. Thanks
Genius! I have a dozen+ Nato surplus cans, I am DEFINITELY going to do this!
@@om617yota7 Thanks
I have to say, I was supprised to see the Wavian coating peel off like that. I thought they used a ruberised coating. Good video. We need to see more like this.
Red for gas yellow for diesel blue metal for kerosene plastic blue for water green cans some sweet funnels nice selection of fuel cans and accessories
Of my somewhat limited experience looking into gas tanks, I have yet to see a motorcycle tank with anything else than bare metal on the inside.
Thomas Lindroos yeah they don't coat the inside because it can flake off and it causes everything to get clogged up. There's a video where the coating on the inside of an aftermarket oil pan flaked off and destroyed the whole engine.
@@keshmo12 yes exactly! thats my point. So why would you coat these then?
I've been around a lot of older motorcycles and most of the ones I've seen have rust in the tank it's kind of a lose lose if you ask me
@@Machiones nixnax just your standard rusty stuff
I believe they coat the cans so they can be kept in storage for long lengths of time, without fuel in them. Like a motorcycle fuel tank, if its empty it will rust. Ive seen many motorcycle tanks sit for years with less than a full tank of fuel. The tank will rust down to the top of the fuel. Below the fuel line will be nice clean metal. Ive also sern many motorcycle tanks that were only partially filled with fuel, and having a good sealed cap, not rist above or below the furl level. But, I havent that on any tanks that have sat more than a couple years. The only thing I can guess is the vapors help protect the metal for so long. Once the fuel starts to degrade, the vapors from the fuel (if there is any on degraded fuel) are not enuff to protect the metal. Its common knowledge, with all the old biker guys I know, too top of the motorcycle tank, then treat the fuel before storing a bike for the winter. In the spring, drain the fuel out, use it for the lawn mower. Put fresh gas in.
Seeing that coating on the inside I bet makes you wish you would have cut them open before you bought all those other ones.
I think he did not bought them but got them as sponser
He said he bought scratch and dent off the website
@@abdullahshurair8740 SimpliSafe was the sponsor not the gas can manufacturer.
I have to tell you of my experience with the good cans, I have to. I started purchasing them back when they were $35ish on cheaper than dirt, had to pay the shipping. I only have 12 now, I felt compelled to give some to family and friends because of what I learned. At my brothers house, he had about 12 red plastic jugs in his garage and when I visited the smell was so strong. My father and I replaced with the good cans, he was in the hospital. Neighbor across the street has one, next door has one because I shared. I put PRIG in (I put extra in) and I am using 5 year old gasoline in my mowers that surely has ethanol in it or did. Might be a miracle or just dumb luck, but they'll keep gasoline fresh a long time. Just my observation. Thanks for the good videos. Alan C.
I have to finish up, it doesn't let me edit and I'm new to this but I bought a bunch of the 'spouts' but find it is easier to just use a funnel and well, they're kind of heavy when they're full. That's it. AC
I recall the bulk deals from CTD for genuine surplus NATO cans during the NATO switch to plastic.
I bought a few 'a' grade and several 'seconds', some of which were WW2 dated! I currently have one of them, a 1943 British can, on my restored Willys MB.
The military switched to plastic jerry cans for a reason.
andrew h ya I think he is really stuck on metal.
andrew, The switch to plastic Scepter cans was part of the move to Diesel, and the termination of multifuel vehicles as a standard. The US Army no longer uses gasoline for mission critical equipment. Given the higher flashpoint and the relative safety of Diesel fuel, plastic makes sense. Plastic does not rust. It weighs less. It is significantly less costly. And, who cares if a diesel can melts? It probably still won't ignite, and certainly won't explode like gasoline does.
This change would not have happened if they were still utilizing gasoline.
So no more "mogas"? I got out in 1980. Our jeeps and the M88 tank recovery vehicles ran on gasoline. Generators also ran on mogas then and we had those metal flexible spouts then in the dark ages😁.
First Name Last Name I really can’t see your point. A steel jerry can full of gasoline is as dangerous proposition as a plastic one. With a steel can you have to worry about static electricity, potential spark hazards while being handled or jostled and if it is exposed to fire the shell shouldn’t melt but the weld or rubber gasket will and ignite the contents. A jerry can on fire is already in a failure mode no matter its composition and a steel can presents more possible ignition sources.
We called those spouts “Donkey D!(ks.” In the Army.
The coating inside Wavian fuel cans is not paint, it's a lining meant for contact with fuel only. Wavian fuel cans are explicitly not meant for use with water because it will deteriorate that lining. He put water in this can to test it for leaks when he drove on top of it in the other video. It won't come off like that if the can is only used for fuel.
I hope they respond to this video about the coating on the expensive can
Agreed, this needs to be addressed,
@@wranglerstar No, you need to quit using metal cans like the military did 20+ yrs ago
@@wranglerstar Glad you found out about that, and I agree. I've been heavily invested in Wavians for a couple of years. Lost most of them last year in the Camp Fire in Paradise, CA. Actually used some during the fire to make our 6 hour escape over the mountain. The ones I left behind in my shop expanded like balloons and off-gassed, but never blew. Have some photos. Incidentally, Wavian was based in Paradise and burnt out in the Camp Fire, but relocated offices to Chico after. Hope they address this issue, and am a bit sad to hear, but doubt that will help those of us that have invested in them in bulk over time. Please update us if/when you hear back, and thanks for the test.
@@wranglerstar They're going to tell you that the coating is water soluble and that by filling that can with water it was bound to flake and peel. If you want an uncoated Wavian can thats also rust resistant, the only choice is their Explo-Safe line, those are filled with an Aluminum mesh which prevents explosions and also serves as a sacrificial anode. see here www.jerrycans.co.uk/product-category/steel-fuel-cans/explo-safe-fuel-cans/
Given that they claim that their cans are pickled prior to painting... Clearly, that was not the case for this can, or the paint would have bonded to the metal.
Project Farm just did a great video on fuel stabilizer a few days ago. He does REALLY great and thorough videos.
The video was on LUCAS fuel stabilizer which amazingly enough didn't work at all and even rendered the gasoline inflammable. I hope he tests other brands because I know some that work well.
This is the first time a youtube sponsor ad didnt bother me. Very straightforward and not super pushy. Much appreciated.
Not sure if you watch project farm, he just released a video Monday about fuel stabilizer, very interesting!
yes he does some great testing
@@heresmytake2782 I watch all of his videos he is awesome and his tests are very proficient.
Yeah so many people have no idea gas goes bad over time too. Most people think it runs forever from zombie and post apocalyptic movies ...
Many states only fuel with ethanol is available. If there is ethanol in your fuel there is water. Ethanol is hygroscopic so it absorbs water.
California has has ethanol, and it has a tendency of collecting water.
So if you buy unlined metal gas cans, you can buy a material called Red Kot. Pour it into your can, roll it around inside the can, and coat it yourself.
That red kot seems to work well. Over a year ago I used some on an old USMC jerry can that had some rust pinholes and it no longer leaks.
Was watching a video from Lockpickinglawyer, where he presented some weaknesses of a specific home security system. But he gave a pretty logical advice. Don't stick on your windows a label from your system. As you're making it more easy for intruders to identify its weaknesses. For deterrent purposes, stick a random generic label or from a different system.
Really good advice!
Seems both those cans aren’t that great.
Makes a lot of sense to me to store fuel in a $95.00 55 gal. Drum & have a hand crank pump on it.
I'm seeing the seam of the China can standing proud and I have been under the impression that could be a weak point. The wavians seam appeared "tucked" in to protect it as well. Great vid. Yeah I know its an older vid but still great comparison. Thanks 👍
Wouldn't a propane tank and and propane generator be a better power solution? You could have gotten a 125 gallon propane tank for less than cost of the red cans alone. Plus propane stores indefinitely.
Joshua steele I think diesel would be the best and if you run a permanent generator you could have the rad inside and it could be a heating unit too
Just for fuel efficiency
I can’t believe this is the same channel I used watch the coolest timber framing videos at. Now it’s infomercials.
Yea, I began thinking I was the only one with this thought. I dont blame him wanting to change things up from time to time, but it's become quick videos where usually has something he is trying to sell you. Then after the video you get the "link" to amazon the following day. I also noticed if someone posts a negative comment he writes back with something very negative.
This was a very fair video. It exposed the eventual, if not already present, very high chance of particulate paint flakes and rust contaminating the fuel. The thick plastic cans are the only safe path.
Agree with Alexander. First time I saw these tanks cut open. Informative. Definitely wouldn't buy one of these.
@@alexandermenzies9954 It's not paint, it's a lining meant for contact with fuel only. Wavian fuel cans are explicitly not meant for use with water because it will deteriorate that lining. He put water in this can to test it for leaks when he drove on top of it in the other video. It won't come off like that if the can is only used for fuel.
@@thefirsthuffman you don't know what you're talking about
Probably the most professionally made simply safe ad in there I normally am not impressed by ads but it’s refreshing to see one not half assed
Man Cody you’re scaring me it’s like you’re preparing for something that I don’t know but hell I’m coming over
You don't have to drop a bundle of cash to reach a reasonable level of self-reliance. Don't go over to someone else's house, be the guy that folks want to come to. :)
Hope for the best man, but prepare for the worst. Always have a couple months of food and water on hand. Try and keep a couple tankfuls of gas and/or other fuels on hand as well.
I bought a NoSpill brand fuel can years back and ever since that’s all I will ever buy, they have the best designed button on the market and last forever. Plastic will never rust nor will the coating come off.
That green light behind you looks really cool
I suggest storing engine oil as well, at least 2-3 changes worth for the generator and 1 change worth for your truck, tractor and adventure van.
Do a test on cheap bs expensive fire extinguisher
Most people don’t realise that plastic cans have a recommended 10 years life span. Condensation will build up in your can regardless of water in the fuel from the gas station. Best way to reduce the problem is to keep the cans full if possible. Cheers Stuart 🇦🇺
They also degrade in sunlight.
Can you test the justrite type II cans?
If you do want to store gasoline, make sure its not ethanol based, we bought 200 gallons in a transfer tank for our generator and the fuel was unusable after 1.5yrs it created lots of yellow Crystal's in the bottom of the tank and the water content was nearly 30% due to the vent system allowing the ethanol to absorb water from air. We recently switched over to natural gas on generator and bought a 300 gallon tank to store it....
This is a dumb question, but do you have to stabilize non ethanol fuel that you plan on storing? (Say in the 6-12 month range)
See that’s how a product mention should be presented, so professional and not imposing. Love you guys!
Got to spend that UA-cam money has to get his tax deductions for before the end of the year. Yeah I think a 55 gallon drum would be much more feasible I agree with that other guy and a whole lot cheaper
Hey Cody, why can't someone make a fuel bladder system that is integrated into the metal can that is similar to the one used on aeroplanes? Then you wouldn't have to worry about dents, rust and bits of the coating flaking off and causing fuel contamination?
I went hog-wild a couple years ago and bought 12 of the scepter military cans. Can definitely vouch for the quality however they do expand greatly when the temperature rises and noticed some evaporation issues when gas was stored in excess of 2 years. Additionally the Caps can be difficult to get off if you don't have the special wrench. In addition I have the large flexible hose nozzle with the screen inside and noticed I too was getting some flaking from some of my cans. I couldn't quite figure out where or why but it was definitely coming from the gas cans and not the diesel cans...
Thinking of the ordering some of those wavian cans just to even out the mix
That's a lot of money to spend on something that may have sub standard interior coatings. Good Information to know, thanks.
Does anyone know who decided red cans are for gasoline, and yellow is for diesel? You'd think they'd make diesel green to match the pump handle.
Yes. In case anyone knows. Just curious.
wavianusa.com/blogs/news/gas-can-color-designations
For $80, they could make it in stainless steel. Unless you are talking superalloys, stainless steel is not some kind of exotic material. We make cheap cookware out of it.
“No Coast” nice!!
Cody, this is confirmation that diesel should never be stored in these cans, no matter where they're made. Common rail diesel engines are great but they require the fuel to have NO particulate matter washing around. Unfortunately, plastic is the only safe way. On the (Antipodean) farm right now there are yellow plastic cans for diesel and red for the Cessna avgas. Thanks for the look inside.
It's not paint, it's a lining meant for contact with fuel only. Wavian fuel cans are explicitly not meant for use with water because it will deteriorate that lining. He put water in this can to test it for leaks when he drove on top of it in the other video. It won't come off like that if the can is only used for fuel.
Miles, what type of coating is used? What is its life? How does condensation affect it? Thanks for the info.
@@alexandermenzies9954 The coating is good for the life of the can as long as it's not filled with water. Condensation or fuel contaminated with small amounts of water won't be a problem. Wavian mentions this on their FAQs page (wavianusa.com/pages/fuel-can-faqs)
I don't know what it's made of but it's called Rezol.
Those spouts give me the fizz! I have to laugh, that was the first thing that came to mind. Finally a spout worthy of being a spout!
Wavian does make stainless steel jerry cans.
I think they're about 200 USD each with the stainless spout.
they don't do their own manufacturing.
Quite funny, here in the UK, Diesel is held in Black or red cans, Petrol is in green cans usually
What’s wrong with you people??!!
Metric system, driving on the wrong side of the road and now green gas cans?? No wonder we couldn't get along!
Also in the UK, green means stop and red means go and yellow means pub time...
Well, you also have _colour_ rather than color.
The Wavian website clearly states DO NOT store water in their metal cans because it will break-down the interior coating. Also, Wavian does indeed make a stainless steel version of their jerry cans in all three sizes with both bayonet or screw-top openings.
yes
this is awsome
the design is now nearly 80 years old and still very well done.
I would go with the uncoated, my '51 tractor has a bare steel tank and it's spotless. Every gas motor I own has a filter and I will take rust over broken down coating sludge any day.
Yeah, just thought the same. And how long would it take for an uncoated one to rust? Probably a long, long time. Am using mine for petrol. Am not worried at all.
Thank you for this and your other videos. Just was looking at jerry cans for an overlanding build and getting rid of the plastic throw aways. When i saw "Wranglstar" I knew i would get the best explanation on the web. THANKS!
Why not get large central fuel tanks and a few cans for storing all of that fuel?
Agreed. A tank is for storage. Cans are for transport and distribution.
@@ivermec-tin666 tanks are visible and random people come by and help themselves when your not home, or when you are.... the unlocked one should always be 1 gal fuel and 95 gal water...
@@Morgan2XL As far as diesel is concerned, a tank can be concealed or visible as you wish. A wire frame cube enclosed plastic tank suitable for diesel and built for transport via pallet jack is readily available for small dollars. These can be stored in an out building. They are used for transporting bulk liquids such as olive oil, internationally.
Re: thieves. That is what cameras, dogs, and guns are for. Security needs to be part of the design plan for a homestead.
A decoy tank full of contaminated fuel is time and money that could be better used in improving the security and defensability of the homestead.
Gasoline is more complicated. Diesel is inherently much less dangerous.
Thanks for the compare & hint of scrtch & dent, ordered (2) red Wavian 5gal (S&D) and flex nozzle for our JIC generator.
That looks like a lot of money up on that workbench
Its so nice to see that I am not the only one cursing US gas can laws.
You have some great looking cans there Cody. As for the Kerosene that's a fortune in fuel... Well at least here in TX we don't have kerosene at the pump so it's $8 a gallon or more at the borg.
No kidding. It is ridiculous.
Remember when 'white gas' cost much less than regular gasoline at _service_ stations?
After seeing the liner on the inside I will stick with my Scepter Military cans out of Canada. They have no coating and I have not had a lick of trouble with them. They are hard to come by but I buy a few each time I go up.
The true military cans were lined so they could be used for either fuel or water. I would be curious to see what the "liner" is.
It's plastic, just like your everyday Soda Cans
thanks for the testing. I was looking for a fuel can and this video helped me pick.... being that these type of can's can't be shipped to California.
I had to have them drop shipped for delivery
Wait was this a sponsor theirs no way he spent that much on gas cans those things are almost $100 each with taxes and shipping
Yes he would
Considering that Wavian is owned by an army surplus store called 'swisslink' I bet there's more of a promotion in this.
Why wouldn't you? lots of people store gas for emergencies in expensive Wavian or mil spec Scepter fuel cans. It's an investment you have to make.
I‘be seen in the prepper community guys using car gas tanks mounted to a frame for gas storage and a lot cheaper than this solution 150 - 200 for around 30 gallon tanks.
The military plastic are the best
ehtenal attracts and absobs water aswell so if you use ethenal fuel, you likely will have some moisture in your can over time.
Hey, um Cody? You can cut the fuel can into a hinged, plain sight safe too. Hope you do in the future :]
I think that the safe would be stolen just because it's a high value item. And then when the bad guy gets it home, bonus.
@@mikerossi411 you put low value or temporary items in it, valuables should be bolted down if someone is worried about break-ins.
Like stowe away pocket items, firearms ect. when its in your sight. Or make it a tool box. Everyone's situation is different i guess
As far as stabilizers in fuel, keeping air out may count just as much. WW2 diesel in metal barrels was found to be good when the barrels were opened 50 years later. I always add StaBil (more readily available locally then Pri-G) the same day I buy gas (rotating through four 5 gallon plastic cans for yard work and generator use). I normally keep the cans in sequence by purchase date (tag on the can) but I'm old (75+) and occasionally have "help" that doesn't always pay attention to details such as dates :-(
All of that leads up to me using gas that was purchased, treated and left in the can - and out of rotation - for 2 years. It worked fine in all the lawn equipment and the gens. Nothing scientific in my tests, just that treated gas kept in a tightly closed container does last at least 2 years. With limited solar power that's backed up by a 1600 watt inverter gen, we'd have treated gas for gen use on 15-20 non-sunny days at a gallon a day. plus what's in the vehicles (usually about 20-25 gallons).
Unfortunately Cody the moment you discovered the paint was gut wrenching
It's not paint, it's a lining meant for contact with fuel only. Wavian fuel cans are explicitly not meant for use with water because it will deteriorate that lining. He put water in this can to test it for leaks when he drove on top of it in the other video. It won't come off like that if the can is only used for fuel.
@@thefirsthuffman 3.2 paint system
Totally getting one of those flex nozzles to supplement my jiggle siphon. I keep 30 gallons on hand for hurricane season prep. I also cycle through my fuel cans so every month I use a can and refill it to keep it as fresh as possible. Can’t find non ethanol fuel nearby so I hope my system works in the long run
Great ep... love how ur including Ms W.
Great review, never realized there was so much to consider about gas cans. Thanks
Hi Cody, was the 40 days (and 40 nights!) a deliberate time scale?!! Love your vids. Andrew
I finally gave up on the metal military style cans and went with Justrite 7150100 cans. The round design is much stronger when it comes to deforming from gas expansion in the heat and doesnt tip over in the back of the truck. However, they take up more space when storing multiple cans next to each other. The last few I purchased was at zoro tools for something like $34 each.
EPA logic: if you can’t pour gas you can’t spill gas
Real logic: if you can’t pour gas you have to spill gas
That's the government for you. Making perfectly functional things not work since forever.
All over your hands.
Bingo.
I worked for a major gas station chain many years ago as a maintenance technician. All of the gas tanks in the ground have water in them and a lot. Every now and then you have to go in there and pump it out. At one gas station I pumped out two 50 gallon drums worth of water from all of the tanks. That was the worst one out of about 20 or stations, others it was maybe ten gallons. The station pumps don't take a suction off of the bottom of the tanks so they can have a lot of water in them with out getting into your vehicle. But there you go, water is there with the gas.
Someone does make a stainless can. $150- !!!
Expected because it's stainless
Do not gloss over the Wavian vent design. It is so much better then the chineesium. I have both and what i found is the Wavian vent allows for a bigger opening. This is relevant in two ways (that I found). 1. I have seen in previous videos you have a terra pump. Try inserting the pump/motor end into the Wavian and then try to insert it in the chineesium. It won't fit on the chineesium. 2. Filling the cans. Off Road diesel pumps have an enlarged end on the nozzle (at least where I live) that prevents you from inserting the pump into a vehicles fill up. This enlarged end will also prevent you from inserting the pump nozzle into the chineesium cans making fill up without spilling nearly impossible. The enlarged pump nozzle fits inside the Wavian. It is close but it fits. I would gladly pay an extra 50.00 after going through those 2 frustrations a few times. Probably make up for the cost difference in spilled fuel over several years. Thank you for your content.
This video settles it for me, I'm loading up on Scepter's MFC's!
Hard to find a good source of them in the US. Not old diesel used ones that are a PITA to clean. I've got a guy who buys them in Canada but lives in Northern WA. He sells them for $100 each plus shipping. I've been debating buying a couple.
Nice video!! FYI - for your door with the window you should try putting a double deadbolt. Just my 2 cents. Love the videos.
Hard pass on those. That coating is 110% unacceptable and I wouldn’t trust them at all. I don’t care how well built the outside looks, they skipped over the most important part. Poor workmanship.
Or he broke the coating with the water
Thanks for this follow-up video with more information about the metal gas can
Some folks just have way too much money laying around.
Nice cans but $80 a can (on sale) is to Rich for my blood
Hey Wrangler, go plant some trees!
Just purchased two Wavian Diesel cans. For what I paid I expected them to be finished better inside. As you say diesel inhibits rust and fuel filters will do their job with paint flakes but I just expected more.
These videos are becoming one infomercial after another...where's the beef...I think I hear a chickadee....
I have 5 blitz jerry cans, the spout is called a Donkey, yes my spouts are the lever style Donkey and they have a screen in the tip that is removable to clean.
Glad I got them when they were reasonably priced back in the 80’s
I'm not going to lie. I see that tractor sitting there and I 100% would have brought it out to the road to get the packages lol
The plastic cans for water is nice
the old Donkey D spout. Works like a charm
LOL, was checking to see if anyone referenced the "Old Donkey D" spout !
@@dougbourdo2589 hahaha, yep, thats what I grew up knowing it as.
I've recently got a 20L military style Jerry can from an off-road show. And a smaller 5L plastic can to see which keeps diesel better
How long will the gas and water stay good after being put in the cans?
2dthoughts I use the nato/waivian cans. I’ve stored ethanol free fuel with pri-g for over 5 years. I’ve had no negative effects or issues within that time line. After the first of the year I will be opening fuel that’s over 6 years old. We’ll see how it fairs. If it’s anything like the 5 year old fuel, I’ll be more than happy.
Nothinfancy has a water storage series on UA-cam. It’s a wealth of knowledge. I would suggest watching that series
John Oliver thanks
Will check out the channel
All gas stations have some water in the tanks. This is unavoidable
Fuel contaminated with small amounts of water won't be detrimental to the lining. (wavianusa.com/pages/fuel-can-faqs)
Projectfarm just did a 9 month test on fuel stabilizer you should check it out. Anyway great video. Also please don't use staball as it will turn your fuel lines brittle I always recend rather amsoil fuel stabalizer or seafoam.