Throw a 34mm mikuni and header with a little stiffer valve springs and you will be happy. The carb alone even without a header makes a huge difference in power
@@caseymoore9737 what size pilot and main jet is inside the\your 34mm mikuni ? I just got me a 459cc and want to go the cheaper PWK flatslide 34mm carb route, be awesome to know the jetting size as a reference point to aim for. Cheers
Note the Yellow spring on the rear driven pulley. if it inward facing it would be a red spring. They usually come with red springs but tend to have more clearance when run this way outward. Not an issue with the kit but I have always made my own jackshaft holder for the rear driven because i am cheap lol. Its a pain. and tensioning the belt vs the chain is a pain too the cheap way. always needed a chain tensioner which makes more noise and places to fail and they do.
From someone who hurt their back lifting something heavy while bending over, young and didn't think, get your self an engine lift or something like that to put those engines into those frames. I was working as a hod carrier and reached over and picked up two bags of cement at 94lbs per bag and my back has never been the same. I was 20 years old at the time and strong as hell, I weighed 154lbs and could pick up 4 five gallon buckets of mortar and carry them. I started working as a hod carrier for my dad at around 10 and nobody taught me how to properly lift nor stressed the importance of lifting properly. Still at the end of the day it was my decision to move those two bags at once instead of doing it one at a time. Either way I deal with daily back pain now so be smart and be careful with your back.
I purchased the 459cc for a golf cart I'm doing. Haven't mounted it yet, but I'm super excited based on the videos you have up. The one part I really need is the exhaust header! I'm not really going away from stock except to the air intake and exhaust (due to space requirements).
Driver is on backwards…. Which people tend to do on the 40 converters. This is mentioned a few times below in the comments and is true. The driver is fine to be mounted “backwards” just shim the driven to line up.
I have a predator 420 with a stage 1 and a torque converter on a 2 seater off road buggy thing. The torque converter keeps slipping and burning and I have no idea how to remedy it. It’s at the point where it will kill my project entirely if I can’t find a way to effectively connect the engine to the wheels any tips or suggestions?
Great content as always, your banter and craziness cracks me up! The videos where you guys are just having fun are the best. Can’t wait for the next deuce video.
At the very least, if you're trying to cut down on wind noise while recording, for the go pro, they make a simple foam housing that does a pretty solid job of cutting down on wind noise. Or if you're handy with foam carving, you can make your own for cheap. It's not one of those items that go pro really advertises, but it's worth trying out
When you went up the road and it hit the governor. I would say, it was where the cvt didn't push the belt up quick enough so it was in its lower gear for pulling off thn hit the governor and that split second the belt did it's thing and "changed gear" moved from small on the engine to moving up to change gears and gets smaller on the other end for top speed. On a scooter it has rollers in the variator pully on the engine and you can change the weight of thm witch will change whn it starts moving the belt so you're able to keep it at an rpm where the power band is for full power💯💯💯👍👍👍👌👌
I just bought a 459 yesterday It's going in my ez go gxt-804. Glad i saw this video The original 2 cylinder in the cart was terrible. Best way to run a pulse pump?
Great Video, I think you definitely need to get Rid of the Governor. I have a Brand New 420cc Predator Engine that has sat in my Garage for 3 Years. I need to find a Go Csrt Frame for it. I would love to find a old Honda Oddesy Frame. I would also like to buil up the Engine. Thanks for the Video.
I just installed the 459 cc engine in a utility S X S . I need help wiring the ignition switch to the engine and do away with the rocker start switch. Thank You. I love your videos.
I bought a 420 and cut down the crank shaft for my generator. With more hp it will start my furnace now. The 459 would be better but wasn’t out when I did that. I did install a billet rod in it before I put it in.
I liked your comparison video. I am really excited to see the videos on the performance parts videos. Thanks. Just so you know, I watch most of Cars and Cameras videos and I think you are far ahead on construction, fabrication, shop efficiency, and almost all respects of a little engine shop. That is one reason that I am a patreon of "Red Beard's Garage".
First visit to the channel. I liked your analysis of the 2 motors. It wasn't what i wanted to hear… it was what i was going to hear. That's good for everything in life. Stay true to yourself & everybody you come into contact with. Thank you for sharing!
For a large pressure washer you think it would be worth the extra money for the 459? Or just stick with the 420 I’ll definitely be pushing the limits of a typical 13hp engine with the pump I’m going with.
Found this video while searching for engine replacements for my sons go kart. What a great video. You do a really good job of demonstrating what you're talking about. Question: will the 420cc Predator fit in my sons Coleman KT196?
On the surface, I wouldn’t want either one for my kart. That cart was creeping through the woods. That’s the kind of power for maybe an 11-15 yr olds. I do understand the video for the sake of comparison and thanks for that. I freaking love your channel
You should build a Dyno! You can use a motorcycle disc brake, or a large car alternator, or two, with the output shorted through a heating element, in water. and the brushes powered by a variable power supply, to vary load, the brake disc is the most simple,. And then a load cell and laptop, robot cantina has one, you should build one, or a large water pump, with a valve to restrict flow. About anything that will put a steady load on the engine, that will not overheat.. then you can make videos testing parts on engines for gains! Seems like someone mentioned a diy open source kit or something, to build a Dyno, then you can truly compare these engines!!
This video really surprised me. I used to have a little 1 seater with a bone stock 212 on it and the governor shut it off right around 40 and it had about the same acceleration as the stock 420 on that cart. It's crazy to see how big of a difference tire size, weight and gearing can really make with these small engines. I'd love to have that 459 on my old go kart lol
I liked my built 212 compared to my 420 which had stiffer springs and 34 mm mikuni just for the fact my 212 had the black mamba can and never stopped revving up, pretty sure past 10,000 rpms. Wasnt as fast off the line but would smoke the 420 in the long run
@@caseG80 I don't know about you guys but pretty often for me, thats why I'm building a street legal 440cc 2 speed bike that should do more than 100 mph and cruise around 70 mph just to keep up with traffic. What I meant with that comment tho is after a long distance it doesn't have to be 100 miles I was just making an example of a long distance. Those 212cc run good but push them a little hard and it'll crap itself
That CVT isn’t set up to operate optimally. I know it kinda doesn’t matter since ya set it up the same on both engines. The way you’ve (go power sports) has it set up, the driver pulleys sheath, and driven pulleys sheath, are operating in opposing action. Meaning the driver sheath is moving one direction and the driven sheath another, they should move together in same direction, it isn’t a tav 2 … this is wrong according to comet and physics. Love the videos though.
Also got the 459cc 2 days ago for a gy6 cart with blow 150cc gonna take a while to get this done but should be a blast in the trails for a free cart givin to me and a 500$ engine
Hi RBG, just wondering if your still doing any projects with the 459cc? I'm using mine on a long tail mud motor. Been working ok for me, have heard some are saying their mud motor setups with the same engine are bogging down. Is there any performance upgrades you recommend. Anything you would not do? I know for my purpose do not disconnect the Low Engine oil sensor. Thanks Rangers... Lead the Way!
I have a Briggs and Stratton engine on a go kart I think it’s 10hp not really sure but I’ve been trying to get it fixed it has a stuck valve I need to fix and it should be running after I get that fixed. My grandpa gave it to me and he said it was a fast go kart so I’m hoping it runs well
I have searched the internet for 4 adult size carts to be used on a DIY dirt track and haven’t found a dealer that could be trusted to ship. I live in Des Moines IA and there are no local dealers.
Tengo un motor 420cc ,me gustaría saber si es muy débil si se trabaja con un centrifugal clutch y que tan potente puede ser ??? Me gustan mucho sus videos ,un saludo desde Costa Rica América central 💯💯
I’ve got a 2012 John Deere RSX850i side by side motor is junk comes stock with 62 hp I’m thinking of fabricating a new motor that’s more reliable not really needing the speed but reliability is a must any recommendations?
How come this new sport is made around torque converters and centrifugal clutches instead of manual transmissions and standard (motorcycle) clutches? Seems like it'd be more fun with a clutch pedal and a 4 or 5 speed manual motorcycle-type transmission. Would be better for hill climbs, crawling at low speeds, and fuel economy.
Both definitions are correct cvt or torque converter . Torque converter transmits torque from the engine to the driven load which is exactly what it is doing on this go cart or a minibike .
Awesome video! I do need some help is there any way to contact you to run some ideas by? I’ve got a Manco 606 and I just purchased predator 459 today. It was previously all stock with a Suzuki 169 cc in now I need a new engine mounting kit/plate. Do you know where I can get one?
Do you have to buy the torque converter Cvt kit or can you buy the motor and set it up with out it. I have a go kart that has a old 10hp robin subaru with the torque converter
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Bought the 459 last week for a go cart I’m re doing. I’m looking forward to the future mods for this motor! Thank you
Right on!
Throw a 34mm mikuni and header with a little stiffer valve springs and you will be happy. The carb alone even without a header makes a huge difference in power
How fast does it go?
@@caseymoore9737 what size pilot and main jet is inside the\your 34mm mikuni ? I just got me a 459cc and want to go the cheaper PWK flatslide 34mm carb route, be awesome to know the jetting size as a reference point to aim for. Cheers
@@RedBeardsGaragequick question i have same buggy. What rims and tires are you running
Definitely Should Leave Those rims & tires on that go cart & have the frame painted blue with a silver flake it would look sooooo good
Note the Yellow spring on the rear driven pulley. if it inward facing it would be a red spring. They usually come with red springs but tend to have more clearance when run this way outward. Not an issue with the kit but I have always made my own jackshaft holder for the rear driven because i am cheap lol. Its a pain. and tensioning the belt vs the chain is a pain too the cheap way. always needed a chain tensioner which makes more noise and places to fail and they do.
From someone who hurt their back lifting something heavy while bending over, young and didn't think, get your self an engine lift or something like that to put those engines into those frames. I was working as a hod carrier and reached over and picked up two bags of cement at 94lbs per bag and my back has never been the same. I was 20 years old at the time and strong as hell, I weighed 154lbs and could pick up 4 five gallon buckets of mortar and carry them. I started working as a hod carrier for my dad at around 10 and nobody taught me how to properly lift nor stressed the importance of lifting properly. Still at the end of the day it was my decision to move those two bags at once instead of doing it one at a time. Either way I deal with daily back pain now so be smart and be careful with your back.
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@@walterwolford7696 Huh?
@@Parents_of_Twins fix your back with peptides
I purchased the 459cc for a golf cart I'm doing. Haven't mounted it yet, but I'm super excited based on the videos you have up. The one part I really need is the exhaust header! I'm not really going away from stock except to the air intake and exhaust (due to space requirements).
How did it work out? A friend wants to do the same I am interested to see/hear if it was a good addition.
As I've said in another video, where the 224 & 212 were compared: I'd say the torque curve was the deciding factor in the results.
And the reinforced block is huge, pretty much puts it in the same class as the tilotson
224 has a plastic cam gear
Driver is on backwards…. Which people tend to do on the 40 converters. This is mentioned a few times below in the comments and is true. The driver is fine to be mounted “backwards” just shim the driven to line up.
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Those are great tires I put them on everything I have. Carlisle all trail. All kinds of grip. & never wear out
I have a predator 420 with a stage 1 and a torque converter on a 2 seater off road buggy thing. The torque converter keeps slipping and burning and I have no idea how to remedy it. It’s at the point where it will kill my project entirely if I can’t find a way to effectively connect the engine to the wheels any tips or suggestions?
Great content as always, your banter and craziness cracks me up! The videos where you guys are just having fun are the best. Can’t wait for the next deuce video.
At the very least, if you're trying to cut down on wind noise while recording, for the go pro, they make a simple foam housing that does a pretty solid job of cutting down on wind noise. Or if you're handy with foam carving, you can make your own for cheap. It's not one of those items that go pro really advertises, but it's worth trying out
When you went up the road and it hit the governor. I would say, it was where the cvt didn't push the belt up quick enough so it was in its lower gear for pulling off thn hit the governor and that split second the belt did it's thing and "changed gear" moved from small on the engine to moving up to change gears and gets smaller on the other end for top speed. On a scooter it has rollers in the variator pully on the engine and you can change the weight of thm witch will change whn it starts moving the belt so you're able to keep it at an rpm where the power band is for full power💯💯💯👍👍👍👌👌
I just bought a 459 yesterday It's going in my ez go gxt-804. Glad i saw this video The original 2 cylinder in the cart was terrible. Best way to run a pulse pump?
Intake spacer that has a pulse inlet on it
Just discovered this channel, and man I love it!! Awesome content
Welcome aboard!
I'll be getting a 459 after I wear out the 390 I have, hopefully more will be available by then.
Great Video, I think you definitely need to get Rid of the Governor. I have a Brand New 420cc Predator Engine that has sat in my Garage for 3 Years. I need to find a Go Csrt Frame for it. I would love to find a old Honda Oddesy Frame. I would also like to buil up the Engine. Thanks for the Video.
Love the comparison videos. Thanks for great content.
Thanks for watching!
I just installed the 459 cc engine in a utility S X S . I need help wiring the ignition switch to the engine and do away with the rocker start switch. Thank You. I love your videos.
I bought a 420 and cut down the crank shaft for my generator. With more hp it will start my furnace now. The 459 would be better but wasn’t out when I did that. I did install a billet rod in it before I put it in.
Nice!!
I liked your comparison video. I am really excited to see the videos on the performance parts videos. Thanks. Just so you know, I watch most of Cars and Cameras videos and I think you are far ahead on construction, fabrication, shop efficiency, and almost all respects of a little engine shop. That is one reason that I am a patreon of "Red Beard's Garage".
We appreciate you being here!
Emotional Damage @ 18min. I was like, "Its a turd!" Then you realized the stop still in place. You're a master of suspense
Now the real question is how the 459 compares to the Duromax 420 and 440.
426 Hemi 😆
That just looked like fun rides regardless to the engine.The 459 seemed to really pour on the torque earlier though.
This is awesome! Wish some of you powersports channels were closer too me. I'd love too help out with projects like this
First visit to the channel.
I liked your analysis of the 2 motors. It wasn't what i wanted to hear… it was what i was going to hear. That's good for everything in life. Stay true to yourself & everybody you come into contact with.
Thank you for sharing!
For a large pressure washer you think it would be worth the extra money for the 459? Or just stick with the 420 I’ll definitely be pushing the limits of a typical 13hp engine with the pump I’m going with.
What torque converter do you recommend if I will eventually upgrade the 459 but don't want to buy 2 converters.
459 because it's already in my shed waiting for better weather. Yeah boy!
Thank you so much for this!!!
No problem 😊
Awesome! I'd go with the 459 just for the tourque!
Where did you get those rims and tires?
Found this video while searching for engine replacements for my sons go kart. What a great video. You do a really good job of demonstrating what you're talking about. Question: will the 420cc Predator fit in my sons Coleman KT196?
Love the low end torque on the new engine pluss pressure lubrication is way better
On the surface, I wouldn’t want either one for my kart. That cart was creeping through the woods. That’s the kind of power for maybe an 11-15 yr olds. I do understand the video for the sake of comparison and thanks for that. I freaking love your channel
Glad to have you here!
Do you have to have the CVT and if you don’t will it make it a lot slower
_i wanna see some stiffer contra spring and lighter rollers then test it again._
You should build a Dyno! You can use a motorcycle disc brake, or a large car alternator, or two, with the output shorted through a heating element, in water. and the brushes powered by a variable power supply, to vary load, the brake disc is the most simple,. And then a load cell and laptop, robot cantina has one, you should build one, or a large water pump, with a valve to restrict flow. About anything that will put a steady load on the engine, that will not overheat.. then you can make videos testing parts on engines for gains! Seems like someone mentioned a diy open source kit or something, to build a Dyno, then you can truly compare these engines!!
Can u see in the future? He's got a dyno now
This video really surprised me. I used to have a little 1 seater with a bone stock 212 on it and the governor shut it off right around 40 and it had about the same acceleration as the stock 420 on that cart. It's crazy to see how big of a difference tire size, weight and gearing can really make with these small engines. I'd love to have that 459 on my old go kart lol
"it's crazy to see to see how big a difference...."
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I'm building a 2 speed 440cc big block cvt mini bike, should be one hell of a ripper
Thanks for the cool videos and GOD BLESS you too man.
Please do a 440 duro max comparison to the 459
I liked my built 212 compared to my 420 which had stiffer springs and 34 mm mikuni just for the fact my 212 had the black mamba can and never stopped revving up, pretty sure past 10,000 rpms. Wasnt as fast off the line but would smoke the 420 in the long run
But after 100 miles non stop your 212 would blow up and my 420 would be running without a problem.
@@str8xrippin how often do you go 100 miles nonstop on one of these?
@@caseG80 I don't know about you guys but pretty often for me, thats why I'm building a street legal 440cc 2 speed bike that should do more than 100 mph and cruise around 70 mph just to keep up with traffic. What I meant with that comment tho is after a long distance it doesn't have to be 100 miles I was just making an example of a long distance. Those 212cc run good but push them a little hard and it'll crap itself
Just added a 459cc on my Trailmaster!
I see that you buy the same band-aid's that I use! Blue shop towel and electrical tape!!!
What go cart is featured in this video? I see Maxxam decals, but would like to know if your willing to share. Wonderful content!
That CVT isn’t set up to operate optimally. I know it kinda doesn’t matter since ya set it up the same on both engines.
The way you’ve (go power sports) has it set up, the driver pulleys sheath, and driven pulleys sheath, are operating in opposing action. Meaning the driver sheath is moving one direction and the driven sheath another, they should move together in same direction, it isn’t a tav 2 … this is wrong according to comet and physics.
Love the videos though.
Been there done that gave up and shimmed mine to be as strajght as possible at 3/4 to wot since thats where mine stays most of time
Just picked up a yamaha G2 with no engine for a screaming deal. Primary use will be off road and utility work so I think I'll go with the 459.
Got mine today, can't wait for your build. Great work.
Awesome! Thank you!
first time watching.. u guys are pretty cool. earned my sub bro
Have you considered buying or making your own Dyno to test all your built engines?
This made my decision for my manco 710 lol. 459 seems like a much better deal for a heavy ass cart
Also got the 459cc 2 days ago for a gy6 cart with blow 150cc gonna take a while to get this done but should be a blast in the trails for a free cart givin to me and a 500$ engine
Hi RBG, just wondering if your still doing any projects with the 459cc? I'm using mine on a long tail mud motor. Been working ok for me, have heard some are saying their mud motor setups with the same engine are bogging down. Is there any performance upgrades you recommend. Anything you would not do? I know for my purpose do not disconnect the Low Engine oil sensor. Thanks
Rangers... Lead the Way!
Yip after watching the two motor show down 8 times over I like the new one 459cc😁🎉👌 allsome work guys from cruzermans inventions 😁🎉
Great video guys! Fun to watch!
I'd love to know the weight differences between different engines.
There very similar. Harbor Freight tells the weight of both.
I'm glad I found your channel. Thanks.
Welcome!
know what im goin to be savin up for!! 459!!
It's A good videos. I would use either one just cause I'm A little bit of A wrench.& gear head myself on things like those to.
I have a Briggs and Stratton engine on a go kart I think it’s 10hp not really sure but I’ve been trying to get it fixed it has a stuck valve I need to fix and it should be running after I get that fixed. My grandpa gave it to me and he said it was a fast go kart so I’m hoping it runs well
This is the coolest channel on youtube ❤
Nice video and review do offer any service or builds on go carts'
I have searched the internet for 4 adult size carts to be used on a DIY dirt track and haven’t found a dealer that could be trusted to ship. I live in Des Moines IA and there are no local dealers.
like the rims on both the cart and the duece
What tooth axle sprocket and torque converter spricket are you running on this set up?
72 tooth and a 40 series
Thank you! I'm trying to get away from the setup that I have that resulted In no low end. That 459 max setup looks perfect.
SOMEONE GET THIS MAN A DYNO!!
Nice work!
Try changing the Jets out to smaller ones you'll see A difference in the power.& speed gain to.
Looks like the front end alignment of the blue cart needs to be adjusted. Toe looks to far out.
Tengo un motor 420cc ,me gustaría saber si es muy débil si se trabaja con un centrifugal clutch y que tan potente puede ser ??? Me gustan mucho sus videos ,un saludo desde Costa Rica América central 💯💯
As far as racing, would you say an upgraded 420 cc will beat the 212cc?
55mph on flat ground in my 95 Geo Metro with the 459 in it.
Stock?
Would it fit in a go cart?🤨
Can’t wait to see the Vtwin on the cart, it should really boogie
Is that entire garage/shop just for this lawnmower engine modifications stuff?
I’ve got a 2012 John Deere RSX850i side by side motor is junk comes stock with 62 hp I’m thinking of fabricating a new motor that’s more reliable not really needing the speed but reliability is a must any recommendations?
Will performance parts for the 420cc work for the 459cc? Air filter, jets, exhaust, ect?
I have 2 420cc engines I did see those Dromax engines in the background what's your opinion on them are they just as good
Thanks for the information 👍🙂🙏
Can you do a video on the gas tank delete for either the 420 or 459cc?
Lonnie needs a "test pilot" suit!!
The way he was bouncing around in the trails,I'd say blue and yellow checked...
That's a good idea! 😂
How come this new sport is made around torque converters and centrifugal clutches instead of manual transmissions and standard (motorcycle) clutches? Seems like it'd be more fun with a clutch pedal and a 4 or 5 speed manual motorcycle-type transmission. Would be better for hill climbs, crawling at low speeds, and fuel economy.
459. Pressurized oil system makes the choice easy.
What size sprockets are you running?
Maybe a dumb question, are the torque converter kits the same for the 420 and the 212 ?
I bought the 459 for a lawnmower im building and I'm wondering if I need a torque converter or just a clutch
An engine dyno would put you over the top while furnishing legit before and after numbers for any performance mods...
What cvt do you recommend and set up for the 459
I love you for calling it a cvt like it is. Instead of a "torque converter "
I'm giving you a like which I never do. In fact I purposely dislike videos that ask for likes because we know how youtube works.
Both definitions are correct cvt or torque converter . Torque converter transmits torque from the engine to the driven load which is exactly what it is doing on this go cart or a minibike .
Would you recommend the 40 series torque converter or the 780 with this 459?
I'm wondering the same thing... he is using the 40 but I seen a video and everyone was saying 780
Hey man, what clutch do I need for a predator 420 on a yerf dog go kart? Been trying to figure out which one for a few days now!
30 series torque converter.
Putting a 420 on my yerf dog. Any suggestions or things I gotta look out for??
You guys don't run a tach? I'd be really interested to see a tach reading during test runs, if it's possible.
Lonnie’s Go-Cart Looks Sick But I’d Put Different Tires On It
Awesome video! I do need some help is there any way to contact you to run some ideas by? I’ve got a Manco 606 and I just purchased predator 459 today. It was previously all stock with a Suzuki 169 cc in now I need a new engine mounting kit/plate. Do you know where I can get one?
Nice work! 459 cc 👍Can I use my CVT- 30 plate for the 40- series?
Do you have to buy the torque converter Cvt kit or can you buy the motor and set it up with out it. I have a go kart that has a old 10hp robin subaru with the torque converter
Should test out the lct 414cc. Mine makes my homemade kart go at least 40 geared down with all stock motor...
You can definitely got 60 with a 414
How’s the charging system? Did they fix it or just same crappy system?