The Problem with Monsters University
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I really wish they would have made a sequel instead. not only to see what would happen next to that world at large, but to maybe meet a slightly older Boo who could maybe form a proper sentence and see what her dynamic with Sully and Mike would've been like when she's no longer a toddler.
God, imagine Sully addressing her by her actual name, Mary Gibbs, when she's being scolded for something.
"Mary 'Boo' Gibbs, get down from that door right now!"
I want to know her life and I want to see the father-daughter relationship they both have and how it will be strained by more things to come. What if one day Sully goes to visit Mary/Boo and then her parents see him and then they get people to capture him and he's stuck in the human world and she, Mike and probably other monsters try to save him. Yeah pretty cliche but I just want a sequel :(
@@doyoueverfeellikeaplasticb2703 last of Us + monsters Inc
they were going to make a sequel (lost in scaradise) where they would ventured into the human world to find for boo cause she moved away, ashamed they didn't because the storyboards looked cool.
@@ShonaDudley woah that sounds better o.o
I don't think the movie is gonna work if you analyze it that way. It's a prequel, you can't have the characters question this messed up system when it takes the whole first movie for them to figure it out. The contrast would be JARRING, so it was better to shove it to the side.
I really respect for this movie for going over the hard truth that "trying very hard" isn't always enough, sometimes your position or disability will keep you from achieving your dreams, or it just wasn't meant to be. But you can adapt, even make your dream come true even if it's not exactly what you wanted.
I mean, it features a university, so I wasn’t expecting anything more. Hell, my government has already made seven different laws since 1975 and still hasn’t figured out how to do education.
I alway's saw mikes situation to be a person with disability. No matter how hard he tries, there are some things he will never be able to do. And the movies doesn't end it with him being able to 'fix' his disability (like a lot of media illustrates.) He finds a different way to succeed. And that, is powerful.
I’m glad people are bringing this up! As someone who is studying film analysis and suffers from a disability, this sort of half-assed, biased approach to analysing media seriously annoys me, and whilst Monster’s University isn’t a perfect film by any means, the powerful message regarding disability wouldn’t be as affective if everyone just got exactly what they wanted and had their happy ending. I try, but unfortunately life isn’t like that for me.
@@neenm4299 Yeah! It's made even better when you consider that by the end of the movie he gets to live this dream in a different way. It makes the ending (and Mike in general) better upon rewatch.
Like it’s not objective to analyse films based on a emotional ‘woke’ lens. It immediately rejects other aspects of media - specifically film - like the quality of the animation/visual effects, a logical and consistent screenplay, a competent use of mise-en-scene (cinematography, music), etc. Channels like these make a perfect case for what it’s like to witness inept, incompetent, messy media criticism. It’s akin to reading a Tumblr rant written by a 15 year old misfit.
I would still prefer this over the lazy cash grabs they are making now. This had a lot of heart in it and honestly is probably the only animated movie about university life that I ever watched, also it was timed when I first got into one myself which makes it extra special.
Comparing a movie with the OG will never work in a way that satisfies you and the fact that Mike was so powerless made it feel all the more real. Yes, the system sucks. Yes, playing by the rules isn't rewarding. Society can very much be improved but I didn't watch this movie for that! I came here to watch someone have an epiphany, watch them grow, watch them have cliched friendships. I like the idea that despite how shitty university was to Mike, he got irreplaceable memories and wholesome friendships. I prefer the imperfect characters over the already adult-and-has-their-life-together ones.
Also I don't think you all understand the HORRORS of seeing "no longer a child Boo" YOU KNOW how the internet is already. No matter how great that movie would have been, I rather Boo stay Boo.
this ^
I kinda like how the characters don't go against the system because it shows how young, impressionable, and accepting they are. Mike, especially, has been told pretty much his whole life (at that point) that if he goes to college and studies hard, he will succeed in life- as many of us are told. I think this injustice and then succeeding in tryouts is good exposure to society's flaws and leads to Mike and Sully fighting the system in the OG.
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Yesss! When I watched this as a kid, I remember seeing the cinema being so packed, like really packed. And it makes sense why! They were mostly young adults. Sadly after watching the movie I felt disappointed. To be fair I was a kid lol. I didn’t quite understand or follow what was the message. Also I was sad that it turned out that Mike didn’t really make the scream bar (?) go up without Sully’s help. Oh and that they both ended up being kicked out. Fast forward I watch it again now that I’m older, and damn did I appreciate it. Despite being aware of some flaws and inconsistencies in the plot, in accordance to the OG movie, I loved it. It’s one of those films that I just want to watch again if I had the chance. It’s not perfect sure. But there’s this video of how although this movie isn’t exactly “great”, it’s one of the few movies that speaks about disability really well, which is necessary nowadays. Somewhere out there this film means something to someone. It means something to you. It means something to me, esp as someone about to head into college. So I guess it’s not really about the “quality” of the movie but the way how it resonates with the audience. Albeit if I do watch it again, I may have diff opinions then lol considering how observant I can get. And maybe I’m just clinging onto that nostalgia and intertextuality. What really matters I guess is that I’d like to watch it again. LASTLY, you are so right about the dangers of the Internet if we were to see an older Boo.
@@katarinacarrico7887 I mean it’s a great setup but it doesn’t make for a good movie :/
I disagree. You've watched this from the wrong angle. It is a thematic prequel, not a moral prequel.
The first movie's moral is, "A system that is unjust is a flawed system and can be improved on."
The second movie's moral is, "The system is unjust. It just is. /Try anyway/. And even if you fail. /Try something else/."
Because its a prequel. Its too early to overthrow the system yet. First you need to live in the system. AND its a great movie. Hilarious. Well developed characters. It is in no way an "easy way out". Real effort was put towards this movie.
Just because something has a different take, it does not mean that the original moral means nothing. They build on eachother. It's a good lesson.
Agreed! Perspective is important when considering this film in the broader context of the Monsters Inc. world
I think now a days it will become much less of a problem because now kids can watch the prequel first and then the second one. That way the morality makes more linear sense
I think it was a really good and relatable moral. Sometimes even if you try your hardest your dreams won't come true. That's life sometimes it sucks. But you can maybe do something close to your dream and find something else you are good at.
I really don't like monster uni that much(except for the message and that end beat) but I fell like this video Kinda missed the point.
the focus of the film is on the problems disabled/gifted children face growing up. mike being a stand in for disabled people and sully "gifted" people and how life dose not owe you anything and there are something you can never do and have to give up on dream that you may have had.
and whilst that still dose not justify the way the uni treats mike (especially if he is meant to be disabled) they don't need to confront the system cause that's the point of the original movie and it would be redundant.
and whilst whilst its doing all of the above its also leaving the Seeds for monsters inc. .
Every thing she(Drawpinion Dump) says is true, but that's the point.
sully starts to doubt the system in monsters inc because he has already seen it fail someone he likes. Evan in uni he starts to doubt it the moment he decides to cheat . because he can't fathom a world where this hardworking person is not rewarded for his efforts.
and mike wants to follow the rules cause even after being let down by them he has not confronted them. but in inc. he now finally has to realize that something is wrong.
the best part of this film is its message which is something that is very important to teach kids at a very young age so they don't have to struggle like mike and sully did thinking that there just not enough and that there is something wrong with them.
ty for reading ;)
Not to mention that it's a really realistic take: of course they're married to and benefitting/suffering from the system; they're teenagers. They don't really have the life experience to start challenging the system because they don't know any other way and this clearly takes place in the 70/80's as there's no monster version of the internet (or at least, Tumblr) to enlighten them on the problems of the system. That's why things seem chaotic now, because kids can share their abuse and get feedback from older, more experienced freedom fighters.
Honestly, I actually love this movie. And I don't think the message is the opposite of the original. The movie is about seeing value in yourself, even when you don't fit society's standards. And it gives even more context to why Mike was so reluctant to change the system in the original. He'd learned to adjust to it, even when it didn't serve him.
It also gives context to why Sully was so eager, outside of Boo. He'd already been humbled by seeing the system fail someone he cared about. Mike had also shown him how amazing someone can be even when they don't fit the system. And Sully did question it when he cheated. He questioned it when he went after Mike and they had their powerful emotional confrontation. And we could see him doubting the system as he grew to respect Mike.
You can't really expect them to overturn the system in the prequel when they do it in the original. I think this movie was an amazing prequel, which is rare to seem. Sometimes seeing where characters come from is more interesting, especially when the original felt so complete.
I do feel that the journey was worth it, because it supported the themes of the original by showing why the characters were so attached or not as attached to the flawed system. It expanded on their flaws and their virtues. Sully learned to value the community of OK and Mike's friendship and leadership by the end of the movie. Which supported their dynamic in the sequel. I think this deserves more credit than being dismissed as a lazy cash grab. If it was, then it wouldn't have set up the original so well, despite coming later. For me, it raises the stakes of the second movie, because if Sully continued in the company, he'd have to give up the effort it took to becoming the empathetic, caring person he'd become. For Mike, following the system would be doing the same thing he'd always done. Learn to adjust and thrive. He'd succeeded in a rigged system, and helping Boo would throw that all away. It makes the sacrifice resonate even more for his character.
That's just my opinion, though. I get where you're coming from, I just don't really agree.
I really don't like monster uni that much(except for the message and that end beat) but I fell like this video Kinda missed the point.
the focus of the film is on the problems disabled/gifted children face growing up. mike being a stand in for disabled people and sully "gifted" people and how life dose not owe you anything and there are something you can never do and have to give up on dream that you may have had.
and whilst that still dose not justify the way the uni treats mike (especially if he is meant to be disabled) they don't need to confront the system cause that's the point of the original movie and it would be redundant.
and whilst whilst its doing all of the above its also leaving the Seeds for monsters inc. .
Every thing she(Drawpinion Dump) says is true, but that's the point.
sully starts to doubt the system in monsters inc because he has already seen it fail someone he likes. Evan in uni he starts to doubt it the moment he decides to cheat . because he can't fathom a world where this hardworking person is not rewarded for his efforts.
and mike wants to follow the rules cause even after being let down by them he has not confronted them. but in inc. he now finally has to realize that something is wrong.
I respect your opinion but I disagree. the best part of this film is its message which is something that is very important to teach kids at a very young age so they don't have to struggle like mike and sully did thinking that there just not enough and that there is something wrong with them.
ty for reading ;)
Ok...
"Which supported their dynamic in the sequel" The dynamic of Mike acting seemingly too big for his britches and Sulley putting him back in his place with pot-shots? I dunno.
I think this is a better reading
@@koorohshahmoradi4882 I think the gifted kid doesn’t just suffer from thinking they’re better? Because it’s not really the whole thing, in the movie silly touches on the high expectations and pressure places on gifted kids and the very real fear and anxiety of failure, or thinking you don’t deserve your position.
I saw another video that reviewed Monsters University from a disabled persons point of view and personally when you look at it like that, its decisions make alot more sense. Yes of course Monsters University has other flaws but this perspective is certainly something to take a look at.
I myself am not disabled but being a minority group and such I relate alot to that perspective. You can't really change the world you're in sometimes. You can be the best of the best and still not get your reward because life isn't expected to owe you anything. Rather make with what you do have rather than yearn for what you don't. Then the fact Mike never gets a reward or changes the system makes sense, and for me at least, is a message that his home.
Definitely don't dismiss your point of view either (unfortunately I haven't seen Monsters Inc so I don't have a good comparison). It's not Pixar's best but yeah I'd say try a new pair of lenses. Real nice video.
The review your talking about is “the sin squad, monster university and disabilities”. I highly recommend it and I think that it is a better reading of the themes.
* sorry spelling errors
@@redrabbit1741 ohh thanks for putting it down, I just wanted to briefly get the point across but yeah, recommend that video
ohhh disability i always saw it as systematic racism in a way since it’s an appearance being judged but i totally get that too i thing it’s an amazing prequel
That's probably why I didn't hate it. I completely saw the disabled/minority allegory when I first watched it in theaters. Granted, I still like Monsters Inc more but a lot of the criticisms this video brought up were things I liked in the first place. The fact that society lied, telling you that all you need to do is work hard when the reality is that some people are born with an advantage. Let's be real, before MU, how many family movies did that? Not a lot.
That's also part of the point though. At no point does the film question the premise that some individuals are inherently less worthwhile than others and there's nothing they can do to change that. The characters, including the main character who is himself disadvantaged, are all complicit in and supportive of a system that rejects the disadvantaged for traits that they cannot control, in spite of the capability that they gain through hard work.
I think all this thing is about the fact it is a prequel. It shows us how Mike always lived trying to follow the rules of the society, but thanks to all those moments we can find in the prequel we can understand why Mike arrived at the conclusion of change the society, since he finally realized He's not the problem. While the original film is more good in all of points of view, the prequel had to be adapted at the original story, in order to don't create giant gaps in the history. It's kinda a path that leads to the realization of how a society can be bad when it force you into something. Of course the film would have been more interesting if it wasn't a prequel, but I think that, even with so many open possibilities, create a continue for the film would have been like a nightmare. For example many people wanted to see Boo age up but this type of story can bee difficult to handle. Also, is always difficult to make a sequel that can be appreciated as much as the original. And fill 1/2 hours of film with content can be difficult too. Surely the prequel was easier to handle and that was their final choice-
Explaining perfectly exactly how I feel.
My thought exactly.
I really don't like monster uni that much(except for the message and that end beat) but I fell like this video Kinda missed the point.
the focus of the film is on the problems disabled/gifted children face growing up. mike being a stand in for disabled people and sully "gifted" people and how life dose not owe you anything and there are something you can never do and have to give up on dream that you may have had.
and whilst that still dose not justify the way the uni treats mike (especially if he is meant to be disabled) they don't need to confront the system cause that's the point of the original movie and it would be redundant.
and whilst whilst its doing all of the above its also leaving the Seeds for monsters inc. .
Every thing she(Drawpinion Dump) says is true, but that's the point.
sully starts to doubt the system in monsters inc because he has already seen it fail someone he likes. Evan in uni he starts to doubt it the moment he decides to cheat . because he can't fathom a world where this hardworking person is not rewarded for his efforts.
and mike wants to follow the rules cause even after being let down by them he has not confronted them. but in inc. he now finally has to realize that something is wrong.
the best part of this film is its message which is something that is very important to teach kids at a very young age so they don't have to struggle like mike and sully did thinking that there just not enough and that there is something wrong with them.
ty for reading ;)
@@koorohshahmoradi4882 I suggest you to make you your own comment bc like that much more people will see this. I saw lot of people point out the fact the film is talking about autism and something like that but I wasn't able of catch this aspect of the film-
@@nemnemi111 I already did.
it did not go well :(
ty for the suggestion tho.
They were expelled for sneaking into a restricted area, thus breaking law/school rules. There was nothing the Dean could do to reinstate them into the program because it was a matter beyond her jurisdiction.
Considering that and the fact that the Dean came to acknowledge Mike's accomplishment, tells me that his efforts did make some kind of change to the Scare curriculum beyond what we could see.
i mean a girl killed 2 ppl in a hit and run at my high school and the dean let her back in within 2 weeks. maybe some money would have convinced her into the matter being under her jurisdiction.
Didn't they also cause a tonne of damage upon their return?
@@kirbybie Holy shit, dude!
Tf kinda school did _you_ attend?
@@KidRunnerH the REAL monster university.....
@@KOTEBANAROT Tennouttaten
It is a prequel to Monsters Inc so this is probably, why Sully and Mike decide to question the corporation. Because Monsters University screwed them over so bad.
You can still see Monsters Inc Mike still wants to follow the system by getting boo home and forgetting about it. But Sully convinces him and Mike what happened at Monsters University.
So instead of letting history repeating itself they decide to fight still time.
During Monsters Incorporated, they've been working in the corporation for years. They have reputations as good honest workers with their co-workers and with the people of their neighborhood.
Scary Monsters University they're just a couple of random students that one's has really good grades and one's really good with physical activity. They're just numbers to the university and this happens in our world too. Corporations are far easier to bring Injustice then a university and this point a very well-known University.
It's like the same with Harvard if a big Scandal happen there no one would hear about it minus one little head line in the newspaper and it's just forgotten
This^^^
I think Drawpinion was a little harsh on the film with saying it was trying to contradict the massages of the original film of fixing a broken system. When in reality I think MU was trying to focus on people who are not accepted into the system due to something that can’t control, fighting for acceptance only to fail and dealing with it and accepting the world isn’t fair(or something on the line idk)
I’m not really a fan of the film and it’s flawed, but the film was clearly trying to do something else with the worlds setting since they can’t do the same thing as monster inc due to not mess up the timeline, so they had to change focus a bit.
Maybe that's why they shouldn't have made a fucking prequel??? Dumbass?
love how this was published forty seconds ago
Love how i saw this comment when it was published 1min ago but only replied after 19h
Love how I commented after 3 days of not realizing this vid was out
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I think the non questioning is actually a boon for the film. Because they don't question it, they don't question it UNTIL monsters inc.
I mean in real life most children won’t question it until it effects them negatively. So realistically it makes since for them not to question it hence if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
Point
I thought the same
Had the exact same thought. I have autism and I never questioned the limitations I've had until I became an adult. I never saw the faults until I became an adult. I never questioned why school was so hard for me and why I had to work extra had to get by until I became an adult. The non questioning is definitely a boon in my eyes as well.
But they do question it, they just don’t change it yet
For me the biggest problem this movie has is the continuity error it made with how Mike and Sally knew each other. But the problem you mentioned is worst than that. But then again it's a prequal so.....
I feel like maybe that's symbolic of how it breaks the original story
Yeah because they met in kindergarten...
Funnily enough, in deleted scenes for an earlier concept they did know each other way earlier since kindergarten, so they prob perfectly knew what they were doing when they set for this concept lol
If your biggest issue with a film is that the premise conflicts with a throwaway line from the previous movie, then you don't have any issues with the film
@@Watersiteplay Yeah.....which makes the retcon even worst.
I can’t get my head around that kids that were born when/after this movie came out are already seven years old... it feels like it was not even two
Wait 2013 ?
That was way Before trump !
And the great internet political wars of 2015 2016 , when every movie was either SJW propaganda or problematic ...
Boi this came out before steven universe aired !
Before ISIS had land in the middle east ,
And when we where all glad nothing append in 2012
It was before ebola ...
I didn't realise how old this movie was i had to google some dates to wrap my head around it ...
But jeez!
2013??? 😭😭 oh my god, Frozen came out that year too and I STILL think it came it in 2016. My niece and nephew were born in 2013, I can’t wrap my head around the fact that they’re 7 this year 😭 why does time go by so fast damn it 😭
@@racon69 humans are mortal and thus for us time is short. Still better our time be short and sweet than drawn out too long. :)
Nooo I feel so old😭
Personally, the takeaway I got from the movie was that no matter how hard you work or try, there are sadly some things that you simply cannot do. And that's okay. If your dream didn't work out the way you wanted, it's not the end of the world.
That's the takeaway I got from it too, and I actually really like that lesson.
In a world that's constantly telling to to fallow your dreams and reach for the skies, what happens when you fall short, and actually can't achieve your dreams?
For some people... It can feel life ending...
So I think it's nice that there's a movie out there that says, "Hey, so you didn't achieve your dreams, but that's ok. There's still something out there for you. There's always another path to take, even if it's not what you wanted." :)
And I think that's the more positive takeaway.
I really don't like monster uni that much(except for the message and that end beat) but I fell like this video Kinda missed the point.
the focus of the film is on the problems disabled/gifted children face growing up. mike being a stand in for disabled people and sully "gifted" people and how life dose not owe you anything and there are something you can never do and have to give up on dream that you may have had.
and whilst that still dose not justify the way the uni treats mike (especially if he is meant to be disabled) they don't need to confront the system cause that's the point of the original movie and it would be redundant.
and whilst whilst its doing all of the above its also leaving the Seeds for monsters inc. .
Every thing she(Drawpinion Dump) says is true, but that's the point.
sully starts to doubt the system in monsters inc because he has already seen it fail someone he likes. Evan in uni he starts to doubt it the moment he decides to cheat . because he can't fathom a world where this hardworking person is not rewarded for his efforts.
and mike wants to follow the rules cause even after being let down by them he has not confronted them. but in inc. he now finally has to realize that something is wrong.
the best part of this film is its message which is something that is very important to teach kids at a very young age so they don't have to struggle like mike and sully did thinking that there just not enough and that there is something wrong with them.
ty for reading ;)
@Alexandra Masella I mean you may think he's scary, and he's got the smarts to be scary, but the movie makes it clear that he just isn't.
Now I get that you might not like that but its not a flaw in the film.(in my opinion of course )
Of course it's not the end of the world. The world doesn't care about you, and it'll still go on after kicking you to the curb and seeing you as a nobody, no matter how hard you work. It's just the end of your own hopes of ever being more than that loser who's so much of a nobody editors don't notice that they've obscured you with their label.
Yeah that's just reality, and it teaches kid if you fail or don't reach your dream it's not the end of the world, this movie really spoke to me as a autistic person.
Um I didn't really follow that. Mike, like myself, couldn't play basketball. Sure we could play the game alright if we trained and studied; but we could never be great due to our sub-standard height regardless of effort. I think that scaring is like basketball in this regard. Mike was singled out as 'not scary' and couldn't go pro, not because of the unfairness of the system, but because of the unfairness of nature.
Although not as appropriate a topic for a kids movie, I think a plot where mike eventually accepted this, and grew to still do what he loved as a scaring support, could of been better.
Isn’t it..... what happens exactly? I mean, he teams with sully as basically a coach to pick the scaring technique, basically being the brain behind the operation, right? Instead of being a solo scorer like he expected to be.
@@Coeurlarme ha, you are quite right. Mike did have self doubts thought the series planted by the system; he pushed through though and only when confronted by not being able to scare a child did he accept his lack of ability leading to the lowest point of the movie.
I personally like it
I’ll take this over Mulan 2020 any day-
PERIDOT. Mulan 2020 lacked everything that made the first movie my favourite. Where are the songs? Where’s my favourite dragon boy?
@@prince_p0ss .
@@prince_p0ss I haven't seen it but after seeing this I don't want to-
Absolutely. This movie, even though I don’t love it due to some annoying characters and derivative plot points, had far more charm and emotion and a great message. Mulan 2020 had none of that. I would take this movie over many live action Disney remakes that I would say ruined the morals, charm and magic of their animated counterparts.
This is kinda a small thing but in the original or "sequel" all the background characters are so unique and interesting. Everyone is not like the other and all are different in their own way. In the prequel, this doesn't happen. All the background characters don't stand out or look interesting and they don't have their own little design. Take the part where we first meet Sully, or whatever that place they are in is called. If you look at the background characters, or even just skim briefly, they all look so bland and devoid of life.
(Also, there are a lot of small issues with the timeline but that's not exactly a big problem.)
I'm only now learning people didn't like Monster's University. Why? It's such a fun movie.
There wouldn't be a sequel if he'd already learned his lesson. Did you want them to just make the exact same movie where they learn the exact same lesson? Monster's Inc is about what you can do to change the system, and the prequel's about what it's like living in an unjust system and how bad things still happen to those who do everything right. Look, you're allowed to dislike it, but saying it's a bad movie just because it didn't do what you expected/wanted is shallow-minded.
Read the comments ,everyone disagrees with her
This is not how I read the movie. The ending is not entirely a happy one by design since he didn't achieve what he wanted to do, which is to be a scarer. Mike only became Sully's coach and assistant. The scene where they scare the group of adults was a demonstration of Mike's throughout understanding of the subject, causing distractions, building suspensions. But ultimately it's still Sully that did the scaring. This is brilliant and I'm glad they went with this instead of the cheesy ending where everyone realized that Mike is actually scary.
The reason why Hardscarrab didn't help Mike or Sully at the end is because even when impressed by their feat, she's ultimately still a realist. In this universe, being scary is not subjective, and was proven multiple times. This is also not akin to being physically challenged still means that you can be apart of the Paralympics. No, messing up a scare can lead to catastrophic consequences, shown when Mike failed to scare the children in the shed. Not only did he endangered himself and Sully but also threaten to reveal the monster's world to humankind.
FAA standards dictate that it is prohibited for pilots to have distant vision being any lower than 20/20. Your lifelong dream is to be an astronaut, working harder than anyone else, but nevertheless is physically unable to pass the requirement. But you can still settle to be an engineer, a mathematician, or the mission director that made it possible to send living humans into orbit. A lot of story pushes the idea of if you didn't achieve the goal you had set out for yourself then you're a failure. Just a background character to the main character who sat next to in chem and had accomplished her dreams. I think the message of the movie is it's ok to accept that there are things you just can't do and to be content with compromises, something that many of us deal with every day.
The movie is flawed in many ways and I agree with so many points you've made but I like the ending and the message.
TL;DR: the movie isn't a commentary about a flawed system, but about dealing with circumstances that are out of your control.
That's exactly how I read it too. It's a matter of, there are just some things you can't do, because of certain circumstances either because of something you were born with, or an accident, or what have you, that it just wouldn't be safe, either for you, or others involved.
Like, you can't be a surgeon if you have arthritis.
You just can't.
No matter how hard you study, or how much you learn, you just can't. And that isn't a flaw with the system, it's just a matter of, it would be incredibly dangerous for you to try.
But, there are other forms of medicine that you could do, and you could still help people.
And that's fine.
Sure, it won't be as hands on, but unfortunately, you just can't do that. It's not your fault. It's not the system's fault. It's nobody's fault, but nevertheless it's true, and you just gotta... Deal with it...
It's an unfortunate matter of life, but it's true.
Some people just can't do what they want, and I think it's nice to have a movie where the lesson is, even if you can't achieve your dreams, there are alternatives and compromises, and even entirely new paths in life for you to take.
And that's just fine.
@Alexandra Masella but he wasn't though.
He was good on a technical level.
But only a technical level.
He knew all the right steps and tricks, and all that, but even when confronted with *actual children* they weren't scared of him. They thought he was cute. They weren't even startled by him not even looking remotely human.
He was good on a technical level, maybe even one of the best, just like a medical student studying to be a surgeon might be a wonderful surgeon on a technical level, but if they have a disability like arthritis or Parkinson's, then they just can't be a surgeon, no matter how good they are on a technical level, because they just can't perform their duties beyond the technical level. You can't be a heart surgeon, or any kind of surgeon if you don't have steady hands, and you can't be a scarer if you can't actually scare children.
This is why he became Sully's coach instead, because those who can't do, teach and all that. There is no way that he could've changed any sort of system at the time, because back then, monsters still thought humans were dangerous, and nothing at that time disproved that sentiment, and so putting a monster who can't actually scare children out on the field would've been a death sentence from their perspective.
It was for his own safety, and the safety of others.
"A lot of story pushes the idea of if you didn't achieve the goal you had set out for yourself then you're a failure. Just a background character to the main character who sat next to in chem and had accomplished her dreams."
Monsters Inc. itself kind of steps on that narrative by showing everyone always always fawning over Sulley while Mike is just trying to make cameos in all his Employee of the Month photos in a pitifully desperate attempt to be relevant. And not even getting to appear on a magazine cover without being obscured by the label after being instrumental to the discovery of laughter energy.
Yeah this was a perfectly good movie she was just reading it totally wrong
i mean it all makes sense. how could he learn the lesson of not following the system in Monsters Inc. if he already learned that in his past aka in Monsters University. Plus its a more realistic view. If we have a perfectly happy ending in every movie it would set people up for disappointment when certain things don't turn out right in life.
but yeah, letting it go as him accepting that its the way it is, or its his fault is bad. but again, why learn a lesson twice?
I think the point is not him learning that it's his fault or that he is the problem... the point is him learning that, no matter how hard you try and how much you want something you can still fail. But that doesn't mean the wirld is ended and you should just loose all of it trying to achive something out of your reach when there are diffrent things, that you may be great at and will give you just as much joy.
It's a bit of a bittersweet message but I really appreciate it.
@@ZundelArt ooh, I really like your take on it!
i actually liked the end, it make me feel like there is not just one path to your dreams, that you never really "fail" cause maybe it just wasnt your way, idk, it helped me with the fear of the idea that failing school was the end. But i do agree with the fact that the should had at least show how he wasnt okey with it, that at least for a moment thought: "this is unfair and wrong" even if in the end he lies to himself or dont get to change it, cause at least you see the seed of the decitions they would do in the future
I don’t really think that Monsters University really goes against Monsters Inc’s moral of fighting the system. If anything, just like Mike and Sulley’s relationship, it’s just setting it up. Maybe, at this point in Mike and Sulley’s life they just don’t see how flawed the system is yet, not until kids lives are actually in danger. You could even say that Mike and Sulley not pursuing that college, and instead trying to follow their dreams their own way was the first step towards demolishing the system as a whole! I do think that to tie it all together, maybe Mike should’ve mentioned, or brought attention to the injustice that life’s been giving him, but that probably would’ve been seen as him sulking, and something that he needs to “grow” out of, which would’ve undermined the message in my opinion.
I feel like I’m the only one in the boat that thinks that Monsters Inc didn’t really need a sequel, nor do I actually want a sequel from them. The constant need to know “what happens next” is how you get the atrocious sequels of The Land Before Time series. All we need to know is that Sulley and Mike got Boo home, and now they can see each other again. That’s the end of the story, and that’s how it should’ve been left.
Also, to note about this: in the film monster's inc, Mike said that Sully had been jealous of his looks since the fourth grade. They didn't even get when they first met right.
Apparently they were going to, and they even had an animatic of them meeting in the 4th grade, but for whatever reason, the writer's just couldn't make it work.
@@leirawhitehart1236 They could've had it where they were great friends in the school but like, they grew apart for whatever reason, and then meet again in Uni.
@@presentmicsoul true, and I thought as much myself, but perhaps they weren't able to fit it in due to time constraints.
@@leirawhitehart1236 that or pixar really just wanted in cash and knew that it would be a success anyway. Disney doesn't try anyway
Personally I don’t mind Monster’s university but I feel like comparing a original to its sequel or prequel never ends well. While monster inc is about finding out how corrupt a system u think is fine really is and how it’s getting worse for others and how you may be able to change it. Monsters university is about how a system is made for some people to fail and how we can’t really overcome it but make the best of it. I also feel like monster university shows how corrupt some people may become in order to get what they want from the system which eventually leads to a circle of destruction.
Aight, idk if my opinions are gonna be hot takes here, but I disagreed with you on a few points.
• I agree that the prequel abandons the message of the original. That’s not great, but considering it takes place before the events of the original, I think it just kinda makes the most sense and rounds out the story better. I look at the movies as one whole story. For me, it made sense that Mike would approach the system by playing by its rules first, then by questioning it later in life. You gotta play around in the world before you can change it.
- I felt like challenging the college scare system wouldn’t really have worked. If someone’s not scary, then how do you change that system to include those who don’t possess that quality? Like, I agree it’s a flawed and messed up system, I just don’t understand how Mike could’ve meaningfully challenged it and made things better since it’s fundamentally established on an arbitrary quality that not everyone possesses.
• Mike and Sully needed consequences. They did an unprecedented thing by scaring adults and stuff, but they still got there by breaking in, destroying school property, and nearly exposing the monster world to humans. It would’ve been bad if they still got to attend the university. That’s not how colleges work.
• People can achieve their dreams in roundabout ways. For Mike and Sully, it turned out to be through the mail room and working their way up through the company. That’s possible, but it’s not always the most likely to land you the job.
A comparison I had was a college art student vs. a freelance artist trying to become an animator. Sure, the freelancer can do their research and still become very skilled without taking classes, but the college art student who’s been taking multiple courses and who’s had a chance to reach out to people for internships will have a leg up. While it’s possible for both to achieve the same dream, it’s probably a lot easier for a college student to get a job if they already have experience, connections, and a degree.
• There might be a bit of lean-in to “pull yourself up by your bootstraps,” but I think the message was supposed to be more about accepting yourself despite how society views you, and learning to try and persevere. Also about working smarter, not harder. Also, you can’t always achieve every dream, but that doesn’t mean you won’t find success and happiness.
• I don’t think there was enough open-ended content for a sequel. The original wrapped up so cleanly that if they tried to do a sequel, it would’ve felt like a soulless cash grab too. Maybe even more so, because there wasn’t really any clean set up for a sequel antagonist or conflict. If they wanted Sully, Mike and Boo together, the best course of action would likely just be a short. I can’t imagine that they’d be able to pump out a couple more hours of those 3 after the events of the 1st one.
• I felt that a prequel made the most sense. It adds to the characters we know and love, and gives us a fuller picture of their pasts, how they became friends, and how they got to where we first saw them. A sequel would’ve pumped content out of almost nothing. A prequel at least rounds out their world a bit more and gives us an opportunity to dive into some of their other struggles in life. It also helps us understand their choices later in life because they had experiences with flawed systems before. Now they understand to challenge them. Shows overall character growth.
• I love socially awkward Mike and comedian Mike. I don’t make a distinction. I also see asshole Sulley and caring Sulley as the same person. It just feels like an extra part of their arcs. They overcome these flaws and then focus on new flaws in the original as they’ve aged. Just feels like a natural part of growing up and being an adult. You outgrow some issues and face new ones. Sulley outgrew being a pompous asshole, Mike outgrew his social awkwardness. Those felt like natural qualities for college kids to have.
Those are some of my takes✌️
I don’t think this movie was lazy thematically at all, and I think the story was well written and it actually did drive its point home that community and friendship are ultimately more valuable. It’s a refreshing movie with real-world themes and great characters and feels like a movie made for adults (Kind of Pixar standard) Unfortunately Disney/Pixar movies are ALL ultimately a cash grab, as that’s just how they operate the business (I think the CEO said he couldn’t care less what they produce because he knows it will make tons of money regardless?) That being said, compared to the first movie it may not be a classic, but it’s a thousand times better than Frozen 2. The director also did Onward, which is another movie I really enjoyed, so maybe I just like his style!
Frozen AND Frozen 2 were kinda trash, but you gotta admit Menzel knocked it out of the park with "Into the Unknown". Amazing song. I'd say one of the best disney songs of the 2010's.
Tell me what ""New ideas"" the prequel comes up with.
It feels like any other collage film.
It feels soo lazy and uninspiring.
I just find this director’s movies mediocre despite the messages they might have.
It's been SEVEN YEARS, wow where does the time go.
When you put it all out there.... Sully and Mike do follow the system at the beginning and start to question it along the way of the first movie. So it makes sense that as young adults in the second movie they don't question much and just find a new avenue to achieve an end goal. Working the scare floor of Monsters Incorporated.
My biggest continuity problem is on the walk to work in the beginning of the first movie Mike says " You've been jealous of my looks since the 4th grade." When they as we see in M.U met in college. But who's to say that not just a joking exaggeration.
honestly i could really relate to mike in MU because my dream for YEARS was to be a dancer but unfortunately no matter how hard i worked my body just wasn't made to be a professional full time dancer. I'm anemic and have arthritis among many other little things and I couldn't keep up with my peers until I eventually stagnated. Physically I was in so much pain every day but I was taught that if I just work a little harder I would be successful. Eventually the pain was too much, especially considering I wasn't making any progress and I couldn't justify the expenses of lessons upon lessons every month. It was really hard but I had to give up on my dream in order to be happy. Mike's story is similar because even though he worked hard he just wasn't born for it and there's not much we can do about what we are or are not born with. Giving up on big dreams is a really hard thing to do as an adult but it happens to a lot of us, we just don't really talk about it because it doesn't sound inspiring. I am glad this movie tried to tackle that subject, and even tho Mike didn't get to live his dream he was still able to get a job using the skills he learned in an adjacent position, which gives a lot of hope to people like me who still are passionate about the dreams we had to give up.
During you explanation of Mike's struggles all I can think of is:
"This is exactly what its like to have a disability."
Every time she goes on about how "mIkE nEeDs To ChAnGe ThE sYsTeM!" I have to wonder if she's even seen the movie because all of her arguments are made void by the events that transpire in the story.
yeah like they do 😆
Yeah, Monsters University may not be perfect, but I think you're being a bit too harsh on the movie.
How about the following perspective: Mike and Sully have grown up in a society of monsters who were only seeking their own benefits and fully ignored the needs of humans or simply didn't yet understand that they even had any. Taking into consideration the events of Monsters Inc. Mike and Sully could be seen as some sort of reformers who noticed the flaws of the system and managed to overcome them. However, in order for that to happen, they first, like many reformers in human history, had to unjustly be betrayed by it so that they can learn about the fact that it isn't perfect and that you sometimes have to come up with some changes or find new approaches to make it better.
Even if you only look at the prequel independently from the original movie there's an important lesson to learn: You don't necessarily have to graduate from college and become a member of the intellectual elite of society in order to fulfill your dreams or be considered a valuable or talented person.
I suppose on some level I appreciate that we’ve got a mainstream movie for kids with a “college isn’t for everyone/sometimes you really do have to compromise on unrealistic dreams” message, but it’s packaged with such an unremarkable story.
I really wish they could've told that same message with original characters and not just the monsters.
Then again, I wish nearly every Pixar movie was an original film (except maybe "Toy Story 2," that's solid enough), so I'm a little biased.
@@Wawagirl17 not 3? That's like my fav of the series
@@dandanthedandan7558 Yeah, you're not alone there, "Toy Story 3" is wildly popular and many people's favorite and assumed best. I'm just in the minority and feel it's overrated and just "fine." "Toy Story 2" is really the only Pixar sequel I can enjoy from beginning to end. The first "Toy Story" is still my number 1 favorite (and it has nothing to do with nostalgia, since I think as a kid I saw TS2 first before the original, and I didn't start to love TS1 until I became an adult.).
@@Wawagirl17 yeah that's totally fair, everyone got their preferences. I like nostalgic things too and discovered 2 before 1 but I ended up liking 3 more when I saw it in theater and not at home on a dvd cause back when I was a kid I just absentmindedly watched TV without understanding the story
Maybe the moral of Monsters University was "Collage is bs and you can achieve your dreams without it."
every time mike is in the shot but covered by drawpinion: i cant believe it... mike is in the movie!
Honestly I still enjoy this movie and think it's funny in some cases. But I do have a huge amount of love for it. But yeah this film does not work when. It comes into monsters inc.
It's still Pixar trying to make a funny movie and they are great animators, plus the world itself has a strange look to it for creative designs. But Pixar is better than that most of the time able to make a more meaningful story. Certainly not bad but it fits more in the Cars category than something like Finding Nemo
I still really enjoy the movie as well despite’s it continuity error (which really bothered me). I like to think maybe this is a completely different timeline or something haha
Made this in a separate comment but figured that it's worth copypasting in this reply
I interpret this movie from a different perspective. Mike doesn't have something that society deem arbitrary, Mike lost the genetic lottery. The world at the time was a world where the scariest produces the most energy and will ultimately become on top. This is no different from being born talented or smart. People who are neither of those lost the genetic lottery - Mike lost the genetic lottery. If this sounds unfair, well that's because it is.
This movie is about persevering in an unfair world. The system is unfair and flawed and you can't change that. All you can do is to find a path in the flawed system that allows you to achieve your goals. This movie is teaching you about how you should persevere even against an unjust, unfair world because, at the end of the day, it's only game over when you give up so you should try your freaking hardest not to.
This is evident in the scene where Mike brought his team to trespass into the company which they will work for in the future. He is showing them: "See this? This is the goal you all should strive for." He set a goal to bite down into and he's not letting go no matter what life throws at him. Another evidence is the fact that Mike has to work even harder than everyone else to overcome his weaknesses because the world isn't fair and not everyone is talented and can just cruise along easily.
And at the end of the day, in the original, Mike will never become the scarer - he's gonna be the engineer. He made a compromise in the unfair system, "Okay if I can't be a scarer then I'll settle to work in my dream company". Life is all about accepting what you're happy enough with.
I feel that you simply just missed this point. Not everyone can change systemic injustice but everyone can persevere and make compromises in this inherently unfair world. In a way, MU is even more relatable than the original even if the original is better than this prequel.
I mean it makes a ton of sense that Mike doesn’t try to change the system because in Inc he was so against helping Boo and maintaining the status quo. If he had tried to seriously change the system then his character is Inc would be contradictory
This movie is a prequel not a sequel. If you compare this to the first movie of course it won’t be as good. That is simply because these are not the Mike & Sully that we were originally introduced to. This is before they realized how broken their society was (they figure that out & change it in Monsters Inc). Of course the moral is not going to be to change your society’s broken system because thats what they do later on in their lives. This is before that. NOT after. I think this sequel was, although not great, pretty good. It shows us how Mike & Sully became the people they are when we see them as adults. Its not meant to have the same message as the original movie. It is meant to push the characters towards that message.
That’s why the prequel sucked and shouldn’t have been made in the first place, makes me mad that they stopped the production of a sequel after they started making the prequel
I watched monsters university before I ever saw monsters inc. seeing the characters become friends and “win” a competition made me feel happy for some reason. I think that might be a reason for why I love monsters university so much.
The fact that just seeing the monsters doesn’t scar the kids in itself is surprising. I’d be screaming and crying my head off.
See I've always been on the fence about Monsters University, the game, training montage and other stale university movie tropes are meh to me, but as a non-neurotypical person the message really did hit hard. 7 years ago I was and AM Mike, the brilliant student that for not being typical (neurotypical) just won't fit in, and as a poor teenager fresh outta highschool... what are you supposed to do? They don't care about if you fail, you have no power to change anything, the system sucks but what else is there for us, misfits... if not the hope the message that baby you gotta thrive. Find your own way to your success, not just because the odds are against you and you can't do it the "normal way" doesn't mean you can't succeed or that you are bound to perish.
In Monsters Inc. just as in the real world, Mike and Sulley were able to identify AND change that unfair system because of their position of power, it wasn't the underdogs vs the corporation, it was an inner fight between high powersin the middle of a moral conondrum: "do i keep the system where i have a position of authority and power, even if it's bad and unfair, or do i break it, risking losing that authority in hope of rebuilding one better?"
Back as students, yeah indeed they couldn't do anything and in a way I've always applauded the realism on that. They overcome themselves, they win! But of course they get expelled because actions have consequences and life isn't all rewards at the end.
“Never create a Prequel or a Sequel when they aren’t needed, they’ll more likely be a cash grab and can ruin the original.”
- Some Guy on the Internet
When I was a little stupid child and first saw this movie I actually thought it was a sequel about Mike and Sully's kids. I didn't even question that their names were the same or that the monsters still used scream energy, I just thought that it had to be a sequel cuz it came second.
Am I the only one who was always terrified of the characters in monsters Inc like waternoose and the chameleon guy? They've always given me bad vibes and nightmares as a kid, idk why, it still scares me xd
Oh yeah, they're genuinely intimidating and creepy as hell.
this makes me really upset lol
i absolutely love mu because of the way it handles disability (i'll link a good video talking about that in replies). this movie has always meant a lot to me as a kid who grew up with big mental challenges. it made me really sad when you called it a lazy cashgrab, like i could literally feel my stomach sink when you said that lmao
i recognize that this movie.... kinda sucks, it's pretty mediocre at best, but that doesn't stop me from loving it. i really think you missed the message the creators were going for. i don't think they meant to explore a corrupt system in this movie, they wanted to explore mike's disability.
i know the animation isn't the same as the story but GOD the animation is beautiful and i watched a documentary about the animators behind the movie and you can tell they really poured their hearts and ideas and creativity into the designs.
i respect your opinion about the movie, of course, i just strongly disagree lol
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"Basically any college movie, but with scaley bait" Bold of you to assume that wasn't already Randall's role in Monsters Inc.
I wonder if the fact that the first movie was made before the Disney acquisition and the prequel was one of the first movies made after had anything to do with the conflicting messages....😒
There was no conflicting message and the review straight-up stupid and wrong. 1) A sequel wouldn't make any sense. If kids and monsters get along there is basically no conflict a prequel was smart. 2) That's life sometimes dreams don't come true no matter how hard you try. But Mike came close and got to do something almost as good. You can replace scaring with any other dream job 3) I really didn't like the world owes me mentality. If I fail its everyone else's fault. 4) She herself decided that it was a metaphor for corrupt systems when the movie wasn't trying to do that. It really was just a joke. Monsters going to work like its a 9 to 5 job is funny. Its a quirky take on the old monsters in the closet thing. 5) She said they would question why they are scaring kids. That wouldn't make sense they learn that its wrong in Monsters Inc.
listen you could argue that every kids movie should send the message "you can achive anything if you try hard enough" but thats frankly not true. i like how this movie said that sometimes you wont win. but wait he still won thought a abnormal method but he still got there. another good message that 1 path isnt the only one. this movie doesnt have a problem its just a diffrent more realistic message.
Ok but this whole time I thought monsters Inc. was the sequel to monster’s university 😂
Found a child
I think she missed that note tbh
Wait was it really seven years ago?? Damn
Fun fact this movie was at first going to be about Sully and Mike being stuck in the human world.
That honestly sounds better then a boring collage film.
I feel like the ending makes sense.how would the original happen? Mike knew that by just trying something he would make it to the top (and he did).hes happy with his life until boo came along,but he realized that she was important to sully and the system was truly flawed
I loved this video! You provide a VERY well-crafted argument.
Okay so hear me out: I think your points on it are not looked at correctly. I prefer the thought that Mike has a 'disability' that gives him a disadvantage in life and unfortunately current societal structures will often deny a person with a disability the ability to succeed no matter how much knowledge on the subject they carry; however, the part he's truly good at is exactly that. His knowledge is incredible and even though his body is not built for it he can still find his niche in other methods of execution instead of trying to do it like everyone else does. He finds a unique method around the whole "you have to be this to do that" which gives kids hope that even though they have a disability they can still succeed if they focus on the areas their body can handle. I dunno, it resonates with me as someone with AS like I'm not good at many things but I found a way to do what I want to do by looking to different methods of execution. Being told you're no good all your life is hard, but finding ways to succeed where you couldn't feels even better. It's dumb and exhausting to always be told "you can do it" throughout your life when you just can't. You can't cure disability. It just made me even more depressed and I nearly wasted my teenage years over the thought that "you're just not built for it so give up" was okay to tell people like me. It's like, yeah, Mike doesn't succeed, but he still finds a way to get a job in the factory he wanted to work in just not the same way people without a disability can do it.
I dunno, look up "Monsters University and Disability" by The Sin Squad. They definitely put it better than me.
"so hated" BRUH I LOVED THIS MOVIE SM
Yea 🤦🏿♂️
Hey! I would love to give a different perspective :) personally, I found MU very realistic. It's almost exactly my own experience with university. I didn't fit in with my program, because even though I would study my ass off, I would always just barely get through my exams. Even though in practical aspects of my program (presentations/writing papers) I would excel in the top 10% of my 500 fellow students. It would not help me though, because the aspects I would excel at would be like 10% of the entire grade.
This system failed me, as does the system in MU. But in reality you can't do much about it. I can't expect my program to change for me, when it works for the other 499 students. So because I got burned out from my hard work, the MU movie actually helped me realize that I could try a different route.
So I started at a big insurance company as administrative worker, barely making enough income to cover my basic needs. But I was able to work my way up in 6 months because of my ability to work hard and be open for trying new things. Now I'm a medical practitioner for the company and I get to strategies a way to recovery from illness for my own clients.
MU helped me realise the "path more used" does not mean it is right for everyone. That how much you try to succeed, some paths just aren't right for you. And that's ok. Try to find your own way to where you want to be :) that's why I personally love this movie. Thought I'd share ❤
Personally, I hated the movie for the simple fact that it takes place in college, the place money goes to die and lives are set adrift in a financial wasteland with a promise that attending will get you what you want even though they literally can't guarantee that. To be fair, there a small handful of jobs that college is good for, namely very high level science degrees simply because they have the equipment to learn (kinda like an A/C repair guy). BTW, there is more money in A/C repair. College is the real injustice here. Mike proves it by going to the corporate world to achieve the success he needs. Also, let's not forget that what the head of Monsters Inc. was doing with the children was illegal by their own laws. He wasn't punished for scaring kids, just abducting them. If you think scaring children is bad, how about an entire civilization wiped out because their citizen's felt like "if I disagree then I should destroy it". That's what children (including those from college) think. Also, what about the other millions of people in the monster society that depend on that system to live and don't have the luxury of trading their "high morals" for food. How selfish does a person have to be completely ignore the truth of their reality and make choices based on platitudes? It must be nice to live in a phantasy and claim everybody is "unjust" to them when they have proven they truly have no real value to society.
One might even argue that the college system itself is a lie in the sense that going to college is some kind of "right" when it reality it's a trade school setup by people that can't make it in the real world, propped up by government money. The reason they disqualify people vs the evil corporation who holds those people in high esteem is because colleges are there to get your money, fill your head full of stupid ideas like social justice and inequality when it reality, the business world (the reason you go to college) only cares about results. When somebody starts talking social injustice you can be sure that they have student debt and likely over $100,000. Sure, it makes you feel good to flex on the one class that you can apply but in reality they're just excuses. If we were talking about the 1950's, there is some real honest injustice. These days, while it exists rarely, it's no longer the excuse the college drones were taught. Nearly all companies value work and intelligence, regardless of where you come from or who you are and that should be your learned lesson from Monster Inc. People like to say injustice when they are literally incapable of performing at the level of their peers because it's an excuse you were taught by colleges in the event their $250,000 education doesn't deliver on it's promises, taught by the unemployable.
I think the best course of action for a new film in the monsters inc franchise would have been leaving sully and mike's story where it was and following a new set of characters, maybe show how people in other areas of monster society are adjusting to the changes set in motion by the first movie
I feel like that would have done worse than this movie. People don’t like change and would constantly be asking where they are.
Dont forget about how in the beginning of the original Mike claims that Sully has been "jealous of his looks since the fourth grade"
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I really loved this movie actually... There are some instances where it could be kinda slow I guess but the fact that they both messed up and still kept trying is just very beautiful to me. It makes me want to move forward.
But Mike was never pushed out of the system for an arbitrary reason. Mike couldn't succeed as a scarer, not because the university was unjust or because he was being discriminated against. He was rejected because of his inherent lack of ability.
If the university could have handed Mike scariness, they would have. He's a talented, hard working student. But the industry ultimately requires scarers to be scary. Saying it was unjust to not allow Mike to be scary is like saying it's unjust to not allow me to breathe underwater or fly by flapping my arms.
Part of finding success and happiness is by understanding your limitations and skills and constructing your own life around those. No amount of adjusting the system will (or should) ever change this.
I think you're obfuscating Mike's setbacks and the stronger point of the movie by calling them "arbitrary". They are not just arbitrary, it is objectively proven that in-universe he's not scary, he does everything by the book but he still fails; this isn't an arbitrary, magical standard for "scariness" that the system imposes; it's a material quality that he doesn't have.
You could call it a disability; some people are born without legs or with unusually short arms, and then one of these people want to play in the NBA? You know they'll have to work twice as hard to compensate, or even be unable at all. Sure, there's prosthetic legs and arms now, but that isn't only beyond the financial ability of many people, for most of the time the NBA has existed, it wasn't a material reality, no matter the money or effort. A person born without legs in the 1800's could never be a basketball player, or a marathon runner, or a mountain climber.
But it is even more general than a disability; some people just don't have the "knack" you could say, for certain things, and have to work much harder with what they do have. For example, some people want to be politicians, but they lack charisma, charisma is a personality trait, they can develop it, but it's hard and expensive: they can hire a speaking coach, can get facial surgeries, and they will still struggle where others don't. Sure, it may boil down to the kind of childhood they had, rather than any genetic factor, but it's still something they like and, because of how the brain works, it's unlikely they'll develop it later.
Some people want to be engineers, but struggle with mathematics a lot, maybe if they have had better math teachers in early life, they would have better skills, but maybe their brain just isn't wired that way and who knows what controls that. We know how, Einstein for example, had severe deviations in his brain structure, which allowed him to think about abstract problem much more effectively than other people, but it diminished his social skills too. Considering his actual history up until the publication of his major physics papers, you can see that Einstein would have struggled with many career paths outside of what we already knew him to be good at.
This isn't because the system is flawed, this is because the system simply can't accommodate every possible deviation from what it demonstrably necessitates, if you push the circular shape through he square hole, you'll just break one of the two. Whether you want to call the shape a personal flaw, or a characteristic beyond their personal control, that's a different discussion.
I think the message of MU is important and uncommon for movies to tackle at all, regardless if there's thematic congruence with the previous film or not, or if there's incidental secondary messages that emerge from this thematic comparison.
The movie doesn't tell you "try the same thing over and over again but harder" it explicitly hammers the point that what Mike is doing is wrong and futile, the movie then tells you "try a different way". Like, maybe the system is flawed, but you don't have to abide to it. Maybe the way the college program and authorities work means that you eventually had to drop out and now you don't have the shiny piece of paper that society dictates you MUST have in order to even considering applying for certain jobs; but look, the shiny piece of paper is an arbitrary rule, there's always other ways to get the job you want, like doing tryouts. And as someone who has recently had to abandon his desired degree program in school, this is the only thing that matters to me now: Derek from Veritasium wanted to be a physicist, but couldn't handle the monolithic pressure of academic work; maybe a lot of it happens because of systemic flaws with academia, but that's not something that Dirk can just fix, can he? So now he has a youtube channel were he teaches basic notions of physics to millions, getting people interested in becoming scientists themselves, eventually some of them will be able to advance science in the ways that Duke tried but failed to do. I wanted to do just that, be a physics teacher, but I have social anxiety, depression, and possibly AD, and meds and even on strong meds I still struggled to do 1 on 1 tutoring sessions at school; I got nervous, I got distracted, I made mistakes without noticing... I pushed and tried and put myself in situations where I had to overcome my inability to socialize, thinking that practice makes perfect. But no, it actually only got worse as I failed and failed and failed. So I quit. And now I'm looking at other options.
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I can’t agree, it’s a very good video you did it good, but monster university was one of my favorite movies even though all of this problems I now understand that I was subconsciously relating to mike, sometimes in life it doesn’t matter how much you work and the effort you put in it, sometimes you just fail and you can never reach that goal
Yeah, that's why I never like prequels. And personally, I always really wondered how the faculty and students reacted when the economy was overhauled and their entire careers were rendered pointless.
The thing is, *after* Mike goes through, believing in the same system, working hard, over and over and over, during the prequel, it's why Monsters Inc encourages both Mike and Sully to question it.
Remember, even though the prequel was made *after* the movie, you need to think about the timeline and how the characters grew, from Monsters University, to Monsters Inc.
This movie definitely isn't perfect. Nowhere near it, but I don't think it's so horrible as some make it out to be. In Monsters Inc, both Mike and Sully have experience from what they went through in Monsters University. In Monsters University, they don't have that experience just yet. I'm aware there's continuity errors *(such as Mike claiming Sully has been jealous of his looks since first grade, but I always thought this was an expression. Moving on)* but I still don't think this film is the dumpster fire many claim it to be.
A sequel would be interesting, and definitely in everyone's interest, but at the same time, I think it's a good thing that we got Monsters University.
That's my opinion, and you're welcome to disagree. I respect your opinion, and all I ask, is that you respect mine and we'll be Pixar nerds together in our own unique ways :P
I also want to add, injustice *is* part of the film's narrative and moral. Sometimes you try and try and try, and sometimes you may not get what you want, even though you followed everything down to the letter, but that doesn't mean you can accept it either. This film is teaching you to think outside the box, find another way around, and keep trying.
Besides, if this problem was fixed, it could've messed with Monsters Inc. If they were fixing the system *then,* they would have started a lot more changes before the energy crisis got so bad. One thing needs to play into the other. In Universities/colleges, sometimes you do the absolute best you can, following every rules, doing exactly what you're told, but still don't achieve that. And yes, even after a grand feat, you may not be rewarded. MU isn't about that, it's about thinking on your feet, continuing to strive and not let the system pull you under.
*Yes,* Mike and Sully got into scaring through tryouts, however you said so yourself that Mike's knowledge makes him absolutely terrifying. That knowledge gave him an incredible advantage in the tryouts, in a way that mattered to his character and what he represents:
Injustice. Lacking something that everyone else has. Being the odd one out. There are so many interpretations, but Mike keeps going and uses what he knows to help him get to where he wants to go. That is the difference here.
Man I could not have put this better. So glad I found your channel!
My problems were the inaccuracies between the stories told. In the first movie, Sully and Mike knew eachother since at least fourth grade, and we know Mike had a great relationship with Sully's family. I think including that, in any way (perhaps they were friends in highschool and got separated by a fight, or maybe just have them be friends), would have improved those incoherences for me.
Monsters University is one of my favourite movies. This movie came out around the time i got kicked out of highschool and i honestly almost cried at the end of the film because i resonated with it so hard 😅. kids movies, and movies in general are always pushing the importance of education to be succesful in life. it was so refreshing as a teenager struggling in school to see a story about someone who just wasn't *made* for scaring (academia). No matter how hard Mike wanted to become a scarer, he just couldn't reach that goal. He wasn't made for it...
I had spent my whole live having the idea of "successful people finish highschool go to uni!" shoved down my throat. And man, i tried so hard at school. But I had some learning challenges and mental health issues that made it impossible for me to finish. I just wasn't *made* for education.
But Mike adjusted his ambitions as he accepted that he wasn't *made* for scaring. But he still managed to be successful! He just had to take another route to get there.
This was the FIRST movie I had ever seen where the protagonists fail school, but find other ways to become successful. Not everyone is *made* for mainstream education. And that that's ok. It's not shameful to not be educated, and it doesnt mean you can't do well in life if u didn't finish school. You just have to look at different routes and not give up.
Mike doesn't change the system. He tries to but sometimes there are systems that u just can't change, no matter how hard you want to. He relises how the system is flawed, and he completely turns his back on it. He finds his own way to get to where he wants to go. I think that keeps with the themes of the first movie.
I would also watch the Sin Squad's video about this! It's another fresh opinion and I think it's good to see two sides to an argument!
i've only seen two videos of yours but can already tell you have a huge potential. keep up the good work!
I've always loved Monsters Inc but I never fully understood the depth and poignancy of its message until you explained it. Corrupt systems and exploitation is heavy stuff and you never really notice those themes until you get older.
Yes, this is why I get so frustrated when I hear some critics say that "It's...cute. It's fine. Decent film." at best, and "It's just 'Baby's Day Out' with big fuckin' monsters." at worst. It's SO much deeper than that. I get that critics have to watch a LOT of stuff and get jaded, and don't have the time to pay a lot of attention and just watch and comment on what's on the surface, but god, it's so frustrating. It is absolutely NOT just fluff.
@@Wawagirl17 People say that? Colour me disappointed.
Is there such a thing in the monster universe as “way too scary”? Just wondering.
0:45 "instead we got an origin story"
sorry but that’s called a prequel.
I actually like this movie. I rewatched it recently, I had just been rejected by my dream school for a third time, and I was heartbroken, I did everything right. I took extra classes, drove hours away to take even more classes to learn more about the craft, practiced all the time. And I still didn’t get it...and I had to let that dream school go. And you can’t help to think, what could I had done different, what do I need to change about me. What if it’s something I can’t change, what if I’ll never be good enough. And I could be, just like in Monsters University, the system that is against you. When I was rejected was it the end of the world, no, but after going through that and then watching Monsters University and watching that one scene by the lake I teared up. Because sometimes you can work super hard and take all the right steps and want that dream more than anyone but it just doesn’t happen. The system could be built against you (you could be a minority or have a disability or have it based off your gender). As one person you can’t always change the system especially if you don’t have the privilege and luxury to change the system, but you still want your dreams to come true. So in that sense I get why Mike did the things he did. Cause I feel like a lot of people have felt the same way as Mike.
Obviously Monsters Inc is an amazing movie but if you look at Monsters University as just a movie and not a prequel I think it has a pretty good message. It was nice to hear another perspective of the movie though!
i'm not just gonna say this is bad media criticism, but i think you should take a look at the comments disagreeing, especially the ones seeing the movie as an analogy to disabilities.
As a person with ADHD, I can speak for many other atypical brain types that this series of films highlights our struggles in a society built for those who possess abilities that we happen to be born without. I personally believe that as a prequel, this is a film that broadcasts and highlights the struggles those with disabilities face previous to an awareness of their own self-worth.
I remember watching this film and feeling a strong connection to Mike. It felt that no matter how hard I worked in school, something I was born with prevented me from truly being "successful". I grew up thinking that I was a failure for being born without qualities that would improve my performance in school, and I felt nothing but jealousy for those who were born "gifted". How was it possible that I could spend hours on my homework and be perceived as a satisfactory student, when my friends could spend 20 minutes on it and be so highly rewarded for their efforts? These issues are introduced in the prequel to 'Monsters University'. It focuses on how those with disabilities have a difficult time fulfilling the requirements to be a triumphant student in our current school system. It follows Mike, who is taught that because he was born different, he'll never be good enough. He won't get to accomplish his dream simply because he just isn't scary. It also highlights how although we have other strengths that could potentially play as contributing factors to accomplishment (like Mike when he proves he is scary simply in a way separate from the majority of students), they most likely won't be considered because it isn't the traditional way of judging a student's performance. Mike suffers remarkably because he is taught he will be a failure in a world built for those separate from himself. What we're taught later in the film series is that your college or Highschool accomplishments do not define your potential as an individual. We later see Mike and Sully struggling to de-code the flaws and injustices of the system they mindlessly obey (still) in the film Monsters Inc. As you mentioned, they end up discovering how corrupt the system they grew up admiring truly was at its roots. Because of Mike's determination and moral values, the entire corporation is changed for the better. Despite the discouragement Mike received through his adolescence, it's Mike's differences that eventually lead him to success. The film proves that life points you in one direction, and if you fail to follow it as you are told you should, you are a failure. A quote from the genius Albert Einstien so wonderfully summarizes the nature of this movie: "if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid". The movies serve as a reminder that despite what others tell you is commendable in our society, that ultimately should be discovered by a sense of judgment and equity. You are not a failure. What fails is a world ineffective to fulfill the guarantees of the universally promised hope of accomplishment. Hopefully, we can reflect upon the obvious injustices highlighted in Monsters University, and mold our current universal requirements of success into a world that can give a dream to a child for the mere purpose of taking it away.
The 0 dislikes are from Mike’s eye
The best part of this movie is the perfectly paused screaming Mike Wazoaski
Your whole description of this movie is exactly why I love it so much. I have autism, quite a lot so. Our society doesn't like me because of this. No matter how much I fight I lose. I'm 26 at this point and I can't tell you how much I've been rejected and failed. This whole movie is my daily reality. There is no way I can "beat" my autism. Mike does get the job he dreamed of but not exactly how he imagined. I don't think I can get my dream job but I could probably get something related to it. I can't just change my whole society overnight because of my own wishes lol.
Excelente análisis, es un contenido muy original y de calidad. Me inspira! Saludos desde México.
I love this video! It totally brought up and confirmed some issues I have with this movie as well.
Nevermind the fact that giving a prequel to mike wizowski is literally the equivalent of giving a prequel to toby from the office, watching this film and this review of it really puts into perspective as to where Disney really stands as of late with systematic racism. A lot of what you mentioned reminded me of the stories of *so many* people of color. A lot of us, if not all of us have to work twice as hard just to sit at the table with everyone else. "equal opportunity" looks a lot like what mike's college experience was and we're just supposed to accept it. To just "try harder" and "you'll get there." This isn't equality, if Monster's University does anything, it just confirms that.
Great video!
i love these videos. they just really go in depth on real life problems while talking about cartoons. GENIUS
Your valid points are, well, on point, aside from the fact that the prequel also breaks canon of the first movie as they originally grew up and went to school together and both of their families are seemingly very close. Which would also imply that they were family friends. The staff behind the prequel kept saying that they couldn’t figure out how to show that so they broke canon but yet, hundreds of fans already had fan fictions of how sulley and mike met. They were just lazy and didn’t actually care so long as it made money.
It's not that they couldn't figure out how they met earlier on, it's that they couldn't think of way that it would work with the story and themes that they were trying to tell. If they had kept to canon they would've probably had a weaker plot by comparison if they had done the they were rivals since they were little or the two best friends growing apart.
@@islasullivan3463 but they weren’t really “rivals” and the story they were trying to tell, goes against the themes of the first. What they could of done is still have the problem that mike isn’t considered scary but because sulley fights for him and because mike finds work arounds where he uses the systems other flaws, he graduates with honours in highschool and because Mr.waternews is so impressed by sulley who would seemingly be a sports superstar in their highschool, sulley goes, “if you want me as part of the scare team, you gotta let mikey be my partner cuz we’re a package deal” so they end up at monsters inc at the end all the same and 5-10 even 15 years down the line is when the issue with Boo comes into play. (Edits: spelling errors)
Even though I dont 100% agree with your take here, I still love the video! Your voice is so soothing and I appreciate your perspective, even though its a bit different then mine.
I loved this movie I understand people have their own opinions. And I saw this with my older brother and he got me, two plushies from the movie when he worked a Jcpenny.
"Monster University came out over seven years ago."
Oh Jesus, that can't be true.
*Googles*
It is... where does the time go?
I liked the movie a lot when I first watched it, and even on rewatches. I think it's still pretty enjoyable, albeit removed from the original film and its themes. I was never looking for a sequel to monsters inc as I think it told a complete story with the setting it had. You made a lot of great points, though. I wish they critiqued the education system as much as M.INC. critiqued the industry- that was a major missed opportunity.
How does this only have 420 views in my recommended
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Monster Inc. to this day is my favorite Disney/Pixar movie and I can’t tell you how disappointed I was when this movie was announced/came out. I was also scared for a sequel because I had a feeling it wouldn’t live up tot he original but Disney decided to make it even worse and made a prequel that doesn’t even follow the original movie canon!!
I came up with a whole movie sequel idea at like age 14 that’s better than Monsters University! And that’s tragic.
so weird getting recommended a video that was just published
I like how even tho she is making a whole video about why this is not a good movie, everyone disagrees with her and has their opinion about the movie.Usually people's opinions are influenced by the media they consume
Pixar always does it with their creative ingenuity and the real world, I liked that even though the dean created the scare games, actual students hosted it like in real life. I like how the dean presence was felt not by default by but by the fact the she is a great scarer and the underdogs didn't automatically win just because the movie says so, but showed the reality of losing even though trying extremely hard. I liked the RoR fraternity and their leader where you understand why they are cool and the reputation to be maintained which is why Sullivan got cut. I liked how they made the prequel almost flawlessly transition to monsters inc except for explaining why Randell left the University to work at the incorporation (maybe they did, but I didn't see). All in all I will forever love Pixar due to their creative mindsets , for creating world of monsters inversely to that of the real world with its own structure and schemes.. FLOREAT PIXAR !!!THE BEST TO DO IT
Watching your channel makes me feel like an intellectual and I love that :3
I never noticed it when I first watched the movie. I just thought it was a pretty mediocre movie.
The movie is actually a really good representation of the real world.
You're told that through hard work and determination you can succeed in life.
Especially so when it comes to education.
You're told you can't get anywhere in life without a college degree.
But you'll rarely land a job due to your degree anyway.
You're pushed to force yourself, even to the point of being self-destructive, just to get higher grades and any damage you're doing to yourself will be worth it because you'll be sailing through life on your high grades.
But as soon as you leave school grades become meaningless. The only ones that care about grades are schools.
So you get high grades to get into schools to get degrees that wont get you a job.
Meanwhile you're watching slackers and assholes get ahead of you because of their parents, their parents money, how funny they are, or just because they look better than you.
Literally going to work in a factory at age 5 would have been better as a career path because you'd end up having 15 years of work experience by the time you're 20!
Now I really respect this movie so much more thanks to this video!
gonna dab on the monsters in my closet
With respect, I got to disagree. I think Pixar really said something important with this film. If they didn't have something important to say, they could have easily pandered to audience's wishes and given sequel with Boo and Sully meeting years later etc. etc. The message of this film is extremely important as kids now a days are taught they can be anything they want to be. But not every kid can be LeBron James or Serena Williams. And that's totally okay. Good even because variety in society is important for it to thrive. Sure, the execution might not be perfect, the villain is pretty bad and illogical, but the messaging is some of Pixar's best in my opinion. Great video though!
Edit: Also, I don't think a film has to have the same message as its predecessor just because they exist in the same universe.
Wow, you're gaining a lot of subscribers really fast
about a week ago you had 14k
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Hearing you angrily swear at 5:44 better not awaken something in me.
I don't think your opinion is as widespread and universal as you seem to think it is. I love this movie.