@@GettysGarage would love to hear about any potential differences in reliability and longevity between civilian pickups and those commercial trucks that are detuned a bit in terms of power and torque.
I have a 2016 with the 800 ft pounds of torque before I deleted it. I have never felt the need for more power, and especially I don't feel the need to spend 100 grand plus for the same model in 2025
Yes. Between EGR, DPF, and SCR and all the issues along with the poor fuel economy a gas engine might be more sensible. Let's hope the manufacturers sue the EPA after the supreme Court threw out Chevron deference
I'm not necessarily upset by it. Yes it'll cost the owner/operators more but that should be passed along to the consumer and as a consumer I am okay with that. For those purchasing for personal use and leisure, I am okay with those aspects being more expensive in order to have that.
For 1000 people country wide to buy one? I understand the nostalgia sentiment but the manuals are a thing of the past....manufacturers know this, dealers know this, I know this and you know this. The manual is phasing out in Tractor Trailers for a reason too..... they're getting better than manuals(application specific of course). Heavy Haul trucks are even shifting to auto...
Truly wich is worse a third world country polution and no money or lots of money and being a slave to pay for it having pay for the inflation because every truck is more and everything else we pay for that is related to trucking I can't think of anything that isn't moved by one sonthe add costs crippling economy
What have they done that's out of control? I appreciate that we don't have smog and soot filled cities anymore compared to 25 years ago. Im not trying to argue, just trying to see where you're coming from.
Unless you live in South or keep it in glass box father time and rust will happen eventually they make the frames so thin lucky is 20 yrs out of truck there always few that survive being parked inside some place
@@stevenyoung5329For sure, they need all the tech (ducted fuel injection, higher injection pressure, lower compression, speed of air piston) to help them pass these ultra stringent emission regulation
@@NM-235 I dont think it will really. Things could be locked up in court for years if there is a difference of interpretation. That or the creation or amending of statutes will be similarly stymied by legal processes before they'll ever have a chance to be practically applied.
Chevron isn't applicable to EPA issues. These aren't EPA regulations. These are codified laws brought in by the clean air act. so they aren't regulations... They are in fact laws. I hate it too but Chevron has nothing to do with it. These were laws not rules being enforced as laws. @@NM-235
Let’s just hope when uncle Dan gets an office in January that he sorts out a lot of this overly aggressive emission standards that the EPA is putting out.
They also forget the half yhe US car buying population lives in Carb states where federal emmissions are worrhless because state emissions are way more stringent and more states are planning to adopt CARB regulations
It is still a 6.7 in the 2025. How do I know this ? Mark Dodge has already released the 2025 spec sheets and the 6.7 HO is the only diesel on offer as well as the 6.4 Hemi. The Diesel is 430 HP 1075 torque
2025 is a month from now. Highly unlikely anything big changes before 2026 and we've still heard nothing official that I know of about the 8 speed transmission. These online guys just like to spread speculation and nonsense.
They could simply increase the stroke and not the bore, therefore fitting into the current body style. Also this would provide more to torque at lower rpm and cooler operating temperature.
6.7 to 7.2 really isn't a big jump. Increasing the stroke by 9mm would get you to 7.2L, but you could also increase the bore by 4mm, or somewhere in the middle - boring 3mm and stroking 2mm. They should fit in the existing block design, or at worst it would be less than an inch longer if they had to increase the bore spacing. When they went from the 5.9 to 6.7 they bored it 5mm and stroked it 4mm, so the 3mm/2mm seems most likely
A engineer for Cummins said the new trans comes in 25 but the 7.2 comes in 2-3 years. He also said the lifters would be way better than the garbage they have now. Stellantis ruined these trucks leaving the tried and true flat tappets I personally think they should recall them like they did the cp4s but I doubt that’ll happen.
Flat tappers are dog shhh tough, anyone with a grade 3 level of knowledge knows this which is why the 6.9 idi had rollers in 1983 (as well as the 73 ps)… the 12v Cummins had flat tappers but oil back then had more zinc in it and the engine was massively overbuilt.
Stelantis has zero control over Cummins. It's not like the 6.7 in the pickup is unique to the pickup. It's in all of the Cummins 6.7s of this generation.
@@jnk26 You sure about that? I heard the commercial duty version like you'd find in a school bus still had the flat tappet valvetrain and that Stelantis wanted the hydraulic lifters.
@@BrandonLeech yeah that’s correct this guy has no clue what he’s saying this UA-cam channel covered how the commercial 6.7 engines in busses still have flat tappet lifters
@@BrandonLeech I can't find any procedure for a 2020-2024 B6.7 valve lash(flat tappet cams) nothing from Cummins or any other sight says otherwise. I'm sure they all have the rollers after 2019. You can still order previous generation engines from Cummins. I drove a 2012 MCI J4500 that had a Brand new Cummins ISX12(2010 Emissions) installed back in March. Shipped right from Indiana.
While I agree the epa needs a reality check, it will be cool to see potentially some new motors. I understand the “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” phrase, but I’m actually a little excited for some bigger displacement diesels in these HD trucks
If the engine is coming out in 2026 or 2027 Ram would keep this tight lipped or they would struggle to sell 2025 trucks. Be interesting to see if California starts restricting maximum diesel pick up trucks registered in the state like they do with CDL trucks.
I’m wondering if manufactures are waiting for the next administration to make major changes. If what we hear about Trump’s next term and changes to stricter emissions, things could change in a positive way for us enthusiasts as well as vehicle manufacture.
Hold on. When did it become Gettys garage?? Did I miss something, lol. I like it though. You are about to toe the line of a tfl and a build channel. I see bright things in your future.
I'm hoping Trump can get the EPA under control. The whole agency needs to be dissolved, or at the very least, made answerable to the people. All these tuner fines need to be refunded (if collected) or canceled if not. It's all BS.
I'm all for reasonable emission regulations, but the 2027 mandates are one step too far. Like they want 0.005 grams of particulate matter out of the exhaust which would be 3 times less then a gas engines.
Ram will be luck if they don't go bankrupt before the end of 2025. Any new diesel engine will won't be worth it period. They will be just maintenance nightmares. A 7.2 L or a 8.3L would require the pickup and Chasis Cab front ends to be extended by quite a bit. Would require a front tilt front end. Maybe Trump can slap down the EPA and get rid of these regs (back to pre '98).
Agreed, lots of folks questioning if Ram will make it and I mean I have two local dealerships in town and some of the trucks I filmed in the summer are still sitting on the lots. nobody wants (or can afford) a 100k truck.
In light of the Chevron Doctrine being struck down by the Supreme Court, the EPA no longer has unfettered power to just create rules out of thin air. My guess is that manufacturers are letting things sort their way out in that regard. In another 10 years the EPA would have standards that are not achievable which is of the California school of thought
Congress creates vague laws and these agencies have gradually gone completely out of control with their own agenda. Chevron struck down their (not just the EPA either) unfettered regulations.
@@zelenizub2036 But it’s a lot better than the Hurricanes. Hemis almost never failed before 100k miles. These Hurricane trucks all over my local dealerships service department. Almost all with 5k miles or less. Tech there said it’s the worst engine he has ever seen reliability wise.
Sorry I'm not even a little excited about modern smog motors in overly complicated and expensive trucks . I'm much more excited about finding clean pre emissions cars and trucks .
They should beef it up to 7.7 to 8 liters IMO if they lower the power abit keeping it at 400hp but with a 7.7-8 liters would produce an easy 1300 ft of torque !There is no substitute for cubic inches especialy in the comercial industry!
The L9 has a 450hp 1250lbft rating for RVs and fire trucks. You can get it with 350hp/1150lbft for buses. Motor is still way too heavy for a pickup. The 6k front axle is a huge limiting factor as to what can be put in the engine bay. The L9 is 1700lbs. That 650 more than the 6.7. Even the 8.3C was 1650lbs dry.
@@davidlefranc6240 dd8 is around 1400lbs. Still less torque than the L9. At 1050lbft. And it's HP is way up at 2200rpm(like the L9) still better than the 6.6/6.7 Cummins at 2800rpm and the Ford 6.7 at 2600rpm(SO/HO)
My in law is a test engineer for the emissions systems at cummins, he said they ran out of time and could not get the emissions to work correctly and itll all get recalled
Sounds like they will opt out for better cooling and a larger diameter exhaust with a dpf the size of a 55 gal barrel to get those temps down until a larger engine can be developed
I work for Cummins and had experience working on the new engine. All I will say is that the emission regulations really have a massive impact on this engine which can be a good thing or a bad thing thing depending how you look at it
Figure out how Scania can have euro diesels with no after treatment and meet higher emission requirements. Also. Please make reliability and repairability number 1 priority. Nothing matters when a 100,000$ truck becomes a paperweight when it dumps a $20k motor…
@ Scania still has 2 SCR’s just no DPF and they over flow the egr. I don’t make the big boy decisions around here lol. As the emissions technology is so advanced with computer controls, yes of course it will be expensive. Thats not our decision. We would love to go back to non egr, non vgt turbo, and no emissions but it ain’t 2007 anymore
Semi trucks check egt temperatures after the turbo charger as light trucks check the temp before the turbo. This is why people in semi trucks say don’t let you get get over 900
I have a family member that works for Cummins as an engineer And is involved in this project We talked about it over Thanksgiving He is working on a 7.2 L That is planned for use in ram pickup This engine has not been designed to fit the existing cab dimensions. Supposedly Ram is working on a complete redesigning for 2027MY We will not see this Engine earlier then 2027MY and there is a good possibility not released until 2028MY
I hope something comes! Even if they tweaked the 6.7, it will be more reliable. Bring the flat tappet and redesign the grid heater bolt. A 6.7 paired with the ZF will be great. Maybe redesign the after treatment too.
It makes sense for a company like cummins to release a new engine a couple years before new EPA standards. Many companies release new products before having to ensure compliance. This gives real world feedback and usage to continue improving on their products. As we get closer to new requirements, every small thing that is changed can have major implications on performance, reliability and driveability. This is why I buy up the old ones and keep them running. 2002 Ford F350 with a ZF6 ECLB 4x4. 234k. Still running strong 2003 ram 2500 laramie QCLBwith a 5.9. 4x4. 252k and still runs like new. 2007.5 Dodge Ram 3500 DRW g56 megacab 4x4. 151k. Give me a strong pre 2008 diesel on a 6spd manual any day.
It does make some sense for sure! And I agree an old good running diesel is something to keep around. Bought a 95 7.3 power stroke and it’s just a simple truck to keep running
@evoemperor3776 what? Put the bottle down. The eco boost is capable of 13,500. Ram 3500 is 15,540. Let's not forget that while the f150 may have an impressive towing capacity for it's size, it is still a 1/2ton truck. My father in law has one of them. His 6800lb travel trailer (bumper pull) Has that thing squatting like a dog passing peach pits even with a distribution hitch. I'm sorry, but just cuz it can, doesn't mean it should, nor is it wise.
Fast lane truck put out a video and although it hasn't been officially confirmed, a Ram insider said there will be a 7.2. They are talking about an 8 speed trans. The body and interior is probably going to remain basically the same with some minor changes. They did put out some specs but it sounds like there will be an HO in the 2500 with specs just about meeting the competition. Imo its nice and all but behind on the remodeling compared to competitors.
I’ll just keep my 04 dodge. Cummins with a nv5600, 4 door, dually, aluminum flatbed and 500 hp is all I need. Pulls great and I don’t have to worry about transmission issues.
How does a larger displacement diesel engine make less emissions it would use more fuel cause it’s larger but gas engines shrink to make less emissions??
Perhaps Cummins is ahead of the project ot meet 2027 req and can release the larger engine in 2025 MY. Maybe its not all the way 2027 compliant, yet close enough that they want to get the larger displacement engine into the market?
That is what makes this very interesting because it would make sense to build an engine to be 2027 emission compatible being so close to 2027. But my bet is another 6.7 for now.
I started buying used personal and fleet vehicles due to prices and lack of quality across the board. In my opinion, anyone paying for any new vehicle nowadays is incredibly not smart! Keep paying for them, and they will continue to increase prices and not give a crap about quantity!
Wait till you find out that the QSC8.3 marine engine runs at 600hp and is essentially the same engine as an L9 with beefier injectors and a different head/turbo.
I think sales on the new Ram 1500 hurricanes are tanking and there are some worried folks I would agree. I also find it just odd that we don't know what is happening under the hood with these 2025 HD trucks either.
@@GettysGarage I feel like we pretty much know what Diesel will be under the hood due to insiders but the wild thing is there isn’t any information of what gas engine will be under the hood.
By that same logic, could I derate the HP/TQ in my '23 6.7L HO to reduce heat and stress without damaging it? Power is nice, but can definitely live with less in a work truck if it means better longevity.
At this point the HP TQ wars are insane & out of control especially with such aggressive torque management programmed into these trucks. Other than bragging rights what is the point if they don't allow these values unless the conditions are perfect? Oh that's right...marketing! :)
Is there something I’m missing with the ram 6 speed? From what I’ve heard they are generally reliable. With any brand going to an 8 or even 10 speed trans complicates things more and thus more problems. Look at GM with their problem free/ proven Allison 6 speed. They swapped it out for a 10 speed and now they’re getting ready for a class action lawsuit. Sure you might “feel” a 6 speed a little more, but I want problem free and proven. Just my 2 cents.
The 10 speed in my 2023 f250 service truck is trash. It shimmies and shutters. It down shifts so hard that sometimes it feels like the transmission is going to fall out on the ground. If you let off the gas at just the right moment, it literally feels like you hit something in the road.
They are generally reliable but the 68RFE in the 2500s are historically more prone to problems with towing than the Aisins for the 3500s. I think a ZF 8 speed will be a great start to replacing the RFE, especially if they plan to keep the RPMs lower for efficiency.
@@chris2901 who cares about efficiency when your stranded on the side of the highway. Again problem free/ proven. 8 and 10 speeds are way too complicated and it’s why you see so many recalls and issues with them across all brands.
Modern diesels have crazy power but are way to complicated and high maintenance. Quit the power race and make something reliable and simple.
Big power numbers sells trucks. Reliability not so much it seems
@@GettysGarage would love to hear about any potential differences in reliability and longevity between civilian pickups and those commercial trucks that are detuned a bit in terms of power and torque.
I have a 2016 with the 800 ft pounds of torque before I deleted it. I have never felt the need for more power, and especially I don't feel the need to spend 100 grand plus for the same model in 2025
Complication caused by epa.
The GOOD ONES are 20 years old
Anyone else feel like the EPA has gone too far? It's just costing all of us more.
Yes. Between EGR, DPF, and SCR and all the issues along with the poor fuel economy a gas engine might be more sensible. Let's hope the manufacturers sue the EPA after the supreme Court threw out Chevron deference
That's the point, to force you EV route like it or not
There's a new sheriff in town things are changing
@@Zzus321 Damn straight!!!
I'm not necessarily upset by it. Yes it'll cost the owner/operators more but that should be passed along to the consumer and as a consumer I am okay with that. For those purchasing for personal use and leisure, I am okay with those aspects being more expensive in order to have that.
Bring back the Manual Transmission option!
Yes please do that sorry but every vehicle being automatic is ridiculous n manual transmission prevents theft from younger generations stealing it
Mpg is phasing them out. Sad but true
nobody will buy them lol
No
For 1000 people country wide to buy one?
I understand the nostalgia sentiment but the manuals are a thing of the past....manufacturers know this, dealers know this, I know this and you know this.
The manual is phasing out in Tractor Trailers for a reason too..... they're getting better than manuals(application specific of course). Heavy Haul trucks are even shifting to auto...
Abolish the EPA.
You should look up the London smog.
@DITLASMR nah, I could care less about london 🤷♂️
@@Null_Null_Null youre too funny! good luck with the EPA! its going to make your life a hell trust me!
Truly wich is worse a third world country polution and no money or lots of money and being a slave to pay for it having pay for the inflation because every truck is more and everything else we pay for that is related to trucking I can't think of anything that isn't moved by one sonthe add costs crippling economy
@@DITLASMRnot real
My 2016 has never left me wishing for more power, also i dont want to spend 100 grand plus for the same model in 2025
Exactly. My truck isn’t a race car or a limo. I just need a reliable diesel with 400-500 ft/lbs
I'd love to see Trump strip the EPA of all this power they have. It's unreal to me how out of control they have became.
Same with the ATF
@brokenwrench404 absolutely!
They have non. They are not being controlled
What have they done that's out of control? I appreciate that we don't have smog and soot filled cities anymore compared to 25 years ago. Im not trying to argue, just trying to see where you're coming from.
Tbh having no def with all them semis on the road? You wont be able to breath
Just gotta wait for EPA get some shake up from the new sheriff
lol
Government has the impulse response of a damn cargo ship. It would be unlikely that any admin can stop the incoming regulations.
@@maxstrong1999the incoming administration is not your typical uniparty swamp dwellers. Change IS coming.🇺🇲
@M_dot202 still doubtful
Why didn’t the sheriff do it his first time around?
I miss the good ole 12v days back when emissions were essentially irrelevant yet it was insanely simple and reliable.
That's understandable. 12v is an awesome engine. On the other hand, not having smog and soot filled cities is also nice.
@ it’s not an emissions issue, it’s a control issue.
@thefordman3955 Do you mean they're controlling what engine/car manufacturers can make or install in vehicles? Or something else?
@@stover77 I mean the government has become way to controlling in general
Absolutely love my 94 12 valve can’t go wrong with the 4x4 5 speed !!
I just completely rebuilt an 03 6.0, im sick of all of it. Ill keep this relic alive forever now...
Ahhh yes, back when engines were made to last. Love me a 6L, not the most powerful things anymore but she'll get ya home every time!
@@GettysGarage which 6 L are we talking about?
@@ethanyates28 I was gonna say...a 6.0 PSD? LOL yeah, those were known to be pretty trouble free🤣
You rebuilt it yourself or had somebody else do it?
Unless you live in South or keep it in glass box father time and rust will happen eventually they make the frames so thin lucky is 20 yrs out of truck there always few that survive being parked inside some place
Insider are talking about a 6.7 430hp/1075ft-lbs steel block with a new head and ZF8 for 2025.
I think that’s what’s coming in 2025. But so wouldn’t be shocked to see a 7.2 eventually
It's all about NOX emissions. Bigger displacement=same power with lower egts.
@kuhndog-1196 If they actually made the move to speed of air pistons, the NOX would plummet.
@@stevenyoung5329For sure, they need all the tech (ducted fuel injection, higher injection pressure, lower compression, speed of air piston) to help them pass these ultra stringent emission regulation
@@stevenyoung5329 not really
Hang tight citizens....The EPA is getting ready to have a come to Jesus meeting.
Something is gonna happen
Nothing significant happened the last time, not sure there is any credence to anything different happening this time around.
@@ALMX5DPchevron being thrown out will make a bigger difference and 47 isn’t going to rely on the establishment this time.
@@NM-235 I dont think it will really. Things could be locked up in court for years if there is a difference of interpretation. That or the creation or amending of statutes will be similarly stymied by legal processes before they'll ever have a chance to be practically applied.
Chevron isn't applicable to EPA issues. These aren't EPA regulations. These are codified laws brought in by the clean air act. so they aren't regulations... They are in fact laws. I hate it too but Chevron has nothing to do with it. These were laws not rules being enforced as laws. @@NM-235
Let’s just hope when uncle Dan gets an office in January that he sorts out a lot of this overly aggressive emission standards that the EPA is putting out.
He already started bro!!!!!!!
@@andrewslagle1974 y’all conveniently forget that he’s already had his chance his first time around and he didn’t do anything so yeah.
They also forget the half yhe US car buying population lives in Carb states where federal emmissions are worrhless because state emissions are way more stringent and more states are planning to adopt CARB regulations
Blunpf is probably gonna ban regular vehicles to help his buddy elon
@@wizard_of_poz4413 More like removing the EV tax credit. Don't let TDS get to you
It is still a 6.7 in the 2025. How do I know this ? Mark Dodge has already released the 2025 spec sheets and the 6.7 HO is the only diesel on offer as well as the 6.4 Hemi. The Diesel is 430 HP 1075 torque
2025 is a month from now. Highly unlikely anything big changes before 2026 and we've still heard nothing official that I know of about the 8 speed transmission. These online guys just like to spread speculation and nonsense.
I work next door to mark Dodge
Dodge brothers told me they are going back to the 5.9 without commie fluid.
Make it as reliable as a 4th gen and I’ll be happy
I'm still rolling on the 1st 6.7l 3rd gen
Yup. Never getting rid of mine
It is a 4th gen still, just has a newer interior and front fascia
That’d be illegal haha
@@aam.2900why
Pretty soon the EPA will want the exhaust to be cleaner than the air the engine is pulling in! Ridiculous!
They could simply increase the stroke and not the bore, therefore fitting into the current body style. Also this would provide more to torque at lower rpm and cooler operating temperature.
6.7 to 7.2 really isn't a big jump. Increasing the stroke by 9mm would get you to 7.2L, but you could also increase the bore by 4mm, or somewhere in the middle - boring 3mm and stroking 2mm. They should fit in the existing block design, or at worst it would be less than an inch longer if they had to increase the bore spacing. When they went from the 5.9 to 6.7 they bored it 5mm and stroked it 4mm, so the 3mm/2mm seems most likely
A engineer for Cummins said the new trans comes in 25 but the 7.2 comes in 2-3 years. He also said the lifters would be way better than the garbage they have now. Stellantis ruined these trucks leaving the tried and true flat tappets I personally think they should recall them like they did the cp4s but I doubt that’ll happen.
Flat tappers are dog shhh tough, anyone with a grade 3 level of knowledge knows this which is why the 6.9 idi had rollers in 1983 (as well as the 73 ps)… the 12v Cummins had flat tappers but oil back then had more zinc in it and the engine was massively overbuilt.
Stelantis has zero control over Cummins. It's not like the 6.7 in the pickup is unique to the pickup. It's in all of the Cummins 6.7s of this generation.
@@jnk26 You sure about that? I heard the commercial duty version like you'd find in a school bus still had the flat tappet valvetrain and that Stelantis wanted the hydraulic lifters.
@@BrandonLeech yeah that’s correct this guy has no clue what he’s saying this UA-cam channel covered how the commercial 6.7 engines in busses still have flat tappet lifters
@@BrandonLeech I can't find any procedure for a 2020-2024 B6.7 valve lash(flat tappet cams) nothing from Cummins or any other sight says otherwise. I'm sure they all have the rollers after 2019. You can still order previous generation engines from Cummins. I drove a 2012 MCI J4500 that had a Brand new Cummins ISX12(2010 Emissions) installed back in March. Shipped right from Indiana.
The new sheriff gonna get their mind right
No he's not
It would be nice but I won't be holding my breath
@leethomas556 vote with your feet. Move to a polluted 3rd world cesspool
While I agree the epa needs a reality check, it will be cool to see potentially some new motors. I understand the “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” phrase, but I’m actually a little excited for some bigger displacement diesels in these HD trucks
I'm all for bigger engines!
If the engine is coming out in 2026 or 2027 Ram would keep this tight lipped or they would struggle to sell 2025 trucks. Be interesting to see if California starts restricting maximum diesel pick up trucks registered in the state like they do with CDL trucks.
Well, these hd trucks are already over 100 grand in Canada, im thinking these new trucks will get us up to 115 grand lol
One big thing wrong with the new Cummins Turbo Diesel..... It will be installed in a Stellantis product.
With a 2010 designed cab
@@GettysGarage I see that as a positive in some respects.
My neighbor has his 2000 ford f350 with the 7.3 diesel for sale. Only has 110k miles. Worth it?
i think i hope trump stops all of this crap!
VONSHITZINPANTS knows about crap🤣
@@atg1338Biden?
Trump can't fo anything about it. Besides, he's a idiot.
He's probably gonna ban regular vehicles
@@wizard_of_poz4413 his best buddy is the biggest EV guy trumps a Israel first cuck
I’m wondering if manufactures are waiting for the next administration to make major changes. If what we hear about Trump’s next term and changes to stricter emissions, things could change in a positive way for us enthusiasts as well as vehicle manufacture.
Doubt it. Government is too slow. Combined with CARB and all the states who follow CARB the federal government may be fairly unable to do anything.
Hold on. When did it become Gettys garage?? Did I miss something, lol. I like it though. You are about to toe the line of a tfl and a build channel. I see bright things in your future.
I'm hoping Trump can get the EPA under control. The whole agency needs to be dissolved, or at the very least, made answerable to the people. All these tuner fines need to be refunded (if collected) or canceled if not. It's all BS.
I'm all for reasonable emission regulations, but the 2027 mandates are one step too far. Like they want 0.005 grams of particulate matter out of the exhaust which would be 3 times less then a gas engines.
My vote is for "dissolved".
Nothing that can be done at the executive branch level. Congress would have to repeal the clean air act, which is not gonna happen.
Ram will be luck if they don't go bankrupt before the end of 2025. Any new diesel engine will won't be worth it period. They will be just maintenance nightmares. A 7.2 L or a 8.3L would require the pickup and Chasis Cab front ends to be extended by quite a bit. Would require a front tilt front end. Maybe Trump can slap down the EPA and get rid of these regs (back to pre '98).
Agreed, lots of folks questioning if Ram will make it and I mean I have two local dealerships in town and some of the trucks I filmed in the summer are still sitting on the lots. nobody wants (or can afford) a 100k truck.
Ram 2500 is a soccer mom truck. The pay load is only 1800 pounds
lol soccer mom truck I like that. and yes the payloads are pretty low
Bring back the G56 transmission, was a favorite of mine.
In light of the Chevron Doctrine being struck down by the Supreme Court, the EPA no longer has unfettered power to just create rules out of thin air. My guess is that manufacturers are letting things sort their way out in that regard. In another 10 years the EPA would have standards that are not achievable which is of the California school of thought
Didn’t the whole diesel regulations start with congress passing it or was it all created by the EPA?
Congress creates vague laws and these agencies have gradually gone completely out of control with their own agenda. Chevron struck down their (not just the EPA either) unfettered regulations.
EPA operates under congressional mandate regarding vehicle emissions, Chevron does not apply.
Ram is also rumored to be bringing back the V8 as the Hurricane has alot of issues. Really glad to hear this. Cheers
V8 hemi has issues too😢.
@@zelenizub2036
But it’s a lot better than the Hurricanes. Hemis almost never failed before 100k miles. These Hurricane trucks all over my local dealerships service department. Almost all with 5k miles or less. Tech there said it’s the worst engine he has ever seen reliability wise.
I got 400,000km on mine. Run a 5w30 oil and actually drive the things they're a performance grade V8. Made to be ran hard. @@zelenizub2036
Sorry I'm not even a little excited about modern smog motors in overly complicated and expensive trucks . I'm much more excited about finding clean pre emissions cars and trucks .
You cant even use all 1,200ft-lbs from the Power Stroke. I dont understand all the number chasing when it doesnt change anything in the real world.
I agree. Plus this battle for power just worsens emissions problems. It's just nuts.
In the first few gears , all of them have torque management protecting the drive train.
Towing ?
It's literally just a d*ck measuring contest.
Like please don;t gut the EPA so people can have faster even more giant trucks they don't need...
@@TheTripleDubya You towing a load of Coors back from Texarkana or something?
They should beef it up to 7.7 to 8 liters IMO if they lower the power abit keeping it at 400hp but with a 7.7-8 liters would produce an easy 1300 ft of torque !There is no substitute for cubic inches especialy in the comercial industry!
The L9 has a 450hp 1250lbft rating for RVs and fire trucks. You can get it with 350hp/1150lbft for buses. Motor is still way too heavy for a pickup. The 6k front axle is a huge limiting factor as to what can be put in the engine bay. The L9 is 1700lbs. That 650 more than the 6.7. Even the 8.3C was 1650lbs dry.
@@jnk26 They could use a 7.7 Detroit its a V8 if i remember correctly 350 hp and 1400 tq its probably lighter than this L9!
@@davidlefranc6240 dd8 is around 1400lbs. Still less torque than the L9. At 1050lbft. And it's HP is way up at 2200rpm(like the L9) still better than the 6.6/6.7 Cummins at 2800rpm and the Ford 6.7 at 2600rpm(SO/HO)
Stellanis CEO is gone as of today. I wonder if their direction will change.
Im thinking im going to find another 05 and put compounds on it. I am curious to see whats coming though
hold onto your 5.9 tightly, worth it's weight in gold at this point
I did the compound thing for my 5.9….never again
My in law is a test engineer for the emissions systems at cummins, he said they ran out of time and could not get the emissions to work correctly and itll all get recalled
Sounds like they will opt out for better cooling and a larger diameter exhaust with a dpf the size of a 55 gal barrel to get those temps down until a larger engine can be developed
At the 5:09 mark he said 6.2 ;-) Still, a great video and always informative
The EPA needs to be turned into a museum lf bureaucratic overfrach and a cautionary tale.
I work for Cummins and had experience working on the new engine. All I will say is that the emission regulations really have a massive impact on this engine which can be a good thing or a bad thing thing depending how you look at it
If you don’t mind sharing. How is it a good thing?
@ it reduces emissions
Figure out how Scania can have euro diesels with no after treatment and meet higher emission requirements.
Also. Please make reliability and repairability number 1 priority. Nothing matters when a 100,000$ truck becomes a paperweight when it dumps a $20k motor…
@ Scania still has 2 SCR’s just no DPF and they over flow the egr. I don’t make the big boy decisions around here lol. As the emissions technology is so advanced with computer controls, yes of course it will be expensive. Thats not our decision. We would love to go back to non egr, non vgt turbo, and no emissions but it ain’t 2007 anymore
@@Datsun280zeeee are you guys addressing these hydraulic lifters crapping out? The old style seemed pretty reliable…
Semi trucks check egt temperatures after the turbo charger as light trucks check the temp before the turbo. This is why people in semi trucks say don’t let you get get over 900
Speed of air pistons maybe
7.2 liters is 440 cubic inches.A Dodge truck with a 440,but it's a diesel.Nice.
I have a family member that works for Cummins as an engineer
And is involved in this project
We talked about it over Thanksgiving
He is working on a 7.2 L
That is planned for use in
ram pickup
This engine has not been designed to fit the existing cab dimensions. Supposedly Ram is working on a complete redesigning for 2027MY
We will not see this Engine earlier then 2027MY and there is a good possibility not released until 2028MY
Bigger displacement doesn't require a larger block. .5L is easily achieved by a longer stroke and possible bore size.
I hope something comes! Even if they tweaked the 6.7, it will be more reliable. Bring the flat tappet and redesign the grid heater bolt. A 6.7 paired with the ZF will be great. Maybe redesign the after treatment too.
And still no update to the HD gas option? Sad
Great video! The future may not be all doom and gloom after all.
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It makes sense for a company like cummins to release a new engine a couple years before new EPA standards. Many companies release new products before having to ensure compliance. This gives real world feedback and usage to continue improving on their products. As we get closer to new requirements, every small thing that is changed can have major implications on performance, reliability and driveability.
This is why I buy up the old ones and keep them running.
2002 Ford F350 with a ZF6 ECLB 4x4. 234k. Still running strong
2003 ram 2500 laramie QCLBwith a 5.9. 4x4. 252k and still runs like new.
2007.5 Dodge Ram 3500 DRW g56 megacab 4x4. 151k.
Give me a strong pre 2008 diesel on a 6spd manual any day.
It does make some sense for sure! And I agree an old good running diesel is something to keep around. Bought a 95 7.3 power stroke and it’s just a simple truck to keep running
Problem is they don't tow much more than an f150 with ecoboost.
@evoemperor3776 what? Put the bottle down. The eco boost is capable of 13,500. Ram 3500 is 15,540. Let's not forget that while the f150 may have an impressive towing capacity for it's size, it is still a 1/2ton truck. My father in law has one of them. His 6800lb travel trailer (bumper pull) Has that thing squatting like a dog passing peach pits even with a distribution hitch. I'm sorry, but just cuz it can, doesn't mean it should, nor is it wise.
Ram is going out of business
I wouldn't be shocked tbh
Order guides are out. The options are 6.4 hemi gas or 6.7 diesel for 2500 and 3500 trucks.
TFL said not yet on the 7.2
Hopefully the 7.2l probably won’t have to run as hard due to the displacement .
Fast lane truck put out a video and although it hasn't been officially confirmed, a Ram insider said there will be a 7.2. They are talking about an 8 speed trans. The body and interior is probably going to remain basically the same with some minor changes. They did put out some specs but it sounds like there will be an HO in the 2500 with specs just about meeting the competition. Imo its nice and all but behind on the remodeling compared to competitors.
It would be great if you could contact the Oil Geek to discuss oil and lifters?
Whatever happened to those rumors that Cummins was going to build an I6 turbo gas engine? That would have been interesting.
Whats the emissions standards on a predator drone?
I’ll just keep my 04 dodge. Cummins with a nv5600, 4 door, dually, aluminum flatbed and 500 hp is all I need. Pulls great and I don’t have to worry about transmission issues.
Do we need more power or better reliability? I know most issues are the epa caused but the transmission is not nor is the cheap grid heater.
How does a larger displacement diesel engine make less emissions it would use more fuel cause it’s larger but gas engines shrink to make less emissions??
Imo they have to work less due to the longer stroke that the bigger class 8 trucks have they don’t have to work as hard vs the smaller ISC and ISB
At some point, Cummins will have to offer Stellantis a Propane or Hybrid Powertrain to keep down warranty costs.
Wait, why are they limiting manuals? What does the transmission have to do with the environment?
Perhaps Cummins is ahead of the project ot meet 2027 req and can release the larger engine in 2025 MY. Maybe its not all the way 2027 compliant, yet close enough that they want to get the larger displacement engine into the market?
That is what makes this very interesting because it would make sense to build an engine to be 2027 emission compatible being so close to 2027. But my bet is another 6.7 for now.
Inline engines don't rip themselves in half.
@@Zzus321 just the lifters fail
Boost and fuel doesn’t work like that with a diesel boost actually improves fuel economy because it leans out the air fuel ratio
I started buying used personal and fleet vehicles due to prices and lack of quality across the board. In my opinion, anyone paying for any new vehicle nowadays is incredibly not smart! Keep paying for them, and they will continue to increase prices and not give a crap about quantity!
As a commercial driver- we don't need higher hp/tq numbers, give us longevity, better emissions equipment, and bombproof trans.
but the bro truck guys on their giant rims and rubber band tires need 1500lb/ft for their pavement princesses that will never tow anything haha.
Also that ISL9 is a conservative tune they can make way more in some special applications like fire trucks I’ve seen them make 450hp and 1,350torque.
Wait till you find out that the QSC8.3 marine engine runs at 600hp and is essentially the same engine as an L9 with beefier injectors and a different head/turbo.
Man, I miss the 12 valve. I'm not a big fan of the 6.7 and 68rfe.
All I know is it'll be TOO EXPENSIVE
How about giving us an upgraded transmission and front suspension !
🤣🤣🤣 Love your tool cart!!!
I feel like there's a dumpster fire going on inside ram and stellantis rn, at least that's the impression I get from a lot of vids on the YT.
I think sales on the new Ram 1500 hurricanes are tanking and there are some worried folks I would agree. I also find it just odd that we don't know what is happening under the hood with these 2025 HD trucks either.
@ exactly and the suspense and the unknown is not healthy lol the PW is my dream truck
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I feel like we pretty much know what Diesel will be under the hood due to insiders but the wild thing is there isn’t any information of what gas engine will be under the hood.
They would probably just add more stroke to the crank to get the displacement.
An 8 litre duramax?! Holyshit! Can you imagine what the aftertunes are gonna make on that?! The HP will beat everyone
Something needs to be done about the EPA man.
Bigger cylinders, more dissipation of heat to lower emissions. I don't think they'll do too much more power.
Imagine a deleted tuned 7.2. Hp and torque number are about to skyrocket.
Its still a 6.7, they havent said much of anything about it because the launch got delayed by about 7 months
Did stellantis stick their noses in this one too ?
I've never known Chrysler to jump out ahead of emission requirements and I kind of like that about them.
lol this very true
I drive a freightliner classic with a 15.2 liter cat 6NZ! Man I wish there was a smaller version that I can slap in a ram😅
By that same logic, could I derate the HP/TQ in my '23 6.7L HO to reduce heat and stress without damaging it? Power is nice, but can definitely live with less in a work truck if it means better longevity.
Yes that is exactly the reason why the cab chassis engines are derated to 360HP.
At this point the HP TQ wars are insane & out of control especially with such aggressive torque management programmed into these trucks. Other than bragging rights what is the point if they don't allow these values unless the conditions are perfect? Oh that's right...marketing! :)
But is it just a stroker 6.7? TLDR
Is there something I’m missing with the ram 6 speed? From what I’ve heard they are generally reliable. With any brand going to an 8 or even 10 speed trans complicates things more and thus more problems. Look at GM with their problem free/ proven Allison 6 speed. They swapped it out for a 10 speed and now they’re getting ready for a class action lawsuit. Sure you might “feel” a 6 speed a little more, but I want problem free and proven. Just my 2 cents.
The 10 speed in my 2023 f250 service truck is trash. It shimmies and shutters. It down shifts so hard that sometimes it feels like the transmission is going to fall out on the ground. If you let off the gas at just the right moment, it literally feels like you hit something in the road.
They are generally reliable but the 68RFE in the 2500s are historically more prone to problems with towing than the Aisins for the 3500s. I think a ZF 8 speed will be a great start to replacing the RFE, especially if they plan to keep the RPMs lower for efficiency.
@@chris2901 who cares about efficiency when your stranded on the side of the highway. Again problem free/ proven. 8 and 10 speeds are way too complicated and it’s why you see so many recalls and issues with them across all brands.
Don't think there is time for a 7.2 in 2025. It's probably in the works. But we would know by now if they were using the 7.2's on the production line.
My ol’ 24 valve is just gonna have to live forever. I work on aftertreatment professionally, but I would not have it on my personal vehicle.
What about the gasoline Cummins?
No real news or updates on that. the 6.4L hemi seems to be in the future plans for Ram
Thanks for the reply
OMG! EPA and all related regulatory administrations... BACK OFF already. You are causing pain and suffering all around.
would be nice if they didnt move forward with the 2027 regulations. Diesels run so clean as it is.
does it have the epa crap on it?
Of course it does.
And what made you think the epa is going away ? lol
@kuhndog-1196 and....I'm out
I could see new 6.7 being in 2500 and 3500's getting optional 7.2.
would be interesting
Only reason i got rid of my 01 5.9 with the nv 5600 trans is because the rest of the truck rusted off of a good driveline setup.
The new 6.7 will come out first then in a year or 2 then you will get a 7.2 HO Cummins option.
I just addressed heater grid bolt on my 2018 Cummins proactively with the Banks setup. I won't be buying a new diesel if I ever move on from this one.
From what is said the 7.2 Cummins could hold 500hp
Why doesn't dodge put a 4bt in the ram 1500s?
So what there doing is recall everything till it ends