Bought a used 2021 Chevy Silverado 1500 with a 3.0 diesel in September. Haven’t done a ton of towing with it yet, but I’ve gotten some crazy fuel mileage (according to the computer) on some of my longer trips. Best number so far is 35.8 mpg!
The second you tow with it its going to eat DEF like its going out of business, anything over 7,000 pounds and it feels like you're towing through mud. At 100k miles you also get to enjoy some extremely expensive routine maintenance with the timing chain and submerged oil pump belt. That's going to run you about $10G If you need a daily driver its ok. If you need a work truck its shit. Just sell it before you reach 100k either way
@@beware3586 I did my research before buying it. I knew the risks. The fuel efficiency and the truck options seemed to outweigh them. Most of my towing is below 4K, but I need the extra torque for the hills. So far, it’s been a better quality ride and vehicle overall than any of the Ford or Ram products I’ve owned. I’m going to roll with it, and enjoy that sweet fuel efficiency while it lasts!
@@beware3586 the wet belt ( not timing chain) is 1600 to 2k at worst case to change. Where did you get 10k? Yes it eats def like crazy. EPA is useless in their reasoning for def. With a def delete the engine get better mpgs and there isn't anything to get clogged.
I have a 2024 Silverado Trail Boss Lt with the 3.0 Duramax and love it ! My family and I tow a travel trailer that weighs about 6k lbs loaded and we took it about 1k miles recently…bad winds up hill all sorts of stuff and we still averaged about 12mpg. When conditions were more ideal 14+ towing. And still plenty of power going up hill. Absolutely great buy if you’re in the market.
Have a Trail Boss Lt as well but 5.3 . Have considered getting the 3.0 . Happy with 5.3 and also tow about 5900 lbs Lance trailer . Can get 12 if I dont push it . But 11.6 is the norm . Plenty of power so maybe stay put with it . But better mpg not towing is your plus .
@@ZachAttack2U payload on mine is 1570 I believe. Which is great cuz I have thought I should have went for the zr2 but the payload on those is about 1000 or so ? The trail boss is a jack of all trades. Took it offroad and was rather impressed. And I came from a built fj cruiser.
@@joshuak8607 I had a S&B and after 3 years I put the stock filter back on and no problems with fitment and service light. Stock way better filter system in real world work truck .
Love your content. Now do a 3.0 Duramax vs 3.5 Ecoboost pulling same trailer on same loop. Even better if you can include Tundra 3.5 and Ram 3.0 Hurricane.
@coachvonyo It would pummel them in MPG but it would be burning more expensive fuel and DEF to do it. depending on where you live the diesel might cost more per mile.
@@timjodice100 no doubt. One of the reasons we decided against the 3.0 Duramax and went with a 3.0 SO Hurricane. Cost of fuel makes them close. The 3.0 Facebook groups are loaded with serious after treatment issues above and beyond what I see in any other 1/2 ton group. Too many headaches.
@@timjodice100 diesel is also a denser fuel. Each gallon weighs more and contains more crude oil. It would be interesting to compare efficiency in terms of miles per pound of fuel.
I’ll take the diesel any day if I’m towing. Low rpm peak torque is where it’s at!
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It would be interesting to measure the amount of DEF used as well by both trucks. It would also be interesting to add another 3-4,000 pounds in the trailer to put the 1500 closer to its towing limit and determine if the LD would perform as well.
My '22 3.0 barely uses any DEF in normal driving with say 800 lbs in the back. But put a trailer on it and you'd better bring extra as it sucks it down. As for economy towing, I expect if they get up to the 8-10,000 lb range the bigger truck will be more efficient at that point. With light loads yeah, the 3.0 still wins.
@@donhappel9566 "Wins" is pretty objective. IMO they aren't great. Even with 5000 lbs it will lug. Which I think is funny because on paper it has the same power as a 5.9 cummins. Except my cummins could pull circles around my Chevy all day.
@@beware3586 Interesting. I tow about 8500 lbs + several hundred pounds of topper/bed slide/tools in the back and haven't had any complaints even over Donner Summit and other passes in the Sierra or Rockies. OK...I wouldn't complain about more power - who would? But it's fine for such a small engine with near max'ed out weight. Recently a buddy was following me in his slightly tuned 7.3 F250 towing a similar load and he said I looked like a rocket ship compared to him on the grades! OK, not a 12 valve, but pretty close in terms of specs. I admit if I were towing that much more than about 10% of the time I'd be in an F250, but given that 90% of the time I'm not, even this old Ford guy had to go with the little duramax. It just made the most sense.
Spot on. I learned the hard way with towing trailers that you should just get the HD and be done with it. A smart spec of the Chevy 2500 HD with max tow is 3 times the truck capability for similar money. Buy the gas HD if you tow less than 10Klbs with campers to enjoy the long-haul stability and HD braking advantages.
@@hughhead9079 I used to own a 2011 Silverado 2500 HD with the 6 L gas engine and we abused the crap out of it. The highest weight we've towed for truck and trailer was 38,460lbs and this was in the mountains where? We had some good hills and it was a bit of a struggle but it just kept chugging even up. 7° slopes it had to go into second sometimes but it didn't quit for the 150 mi I was driving with it. Transmission got a little bit hot and had to back it off but that is to be expected. Those gas engines are mean I've towed more in a gasser that I have in my current diesel pickup
I'm glad TFL bought the new Chevy 3/4 ton. It's a nice truck. Casey's 2nd Gen Cummins would still be my personal pick, LOL. Best truck channel by far on UA-cam today, TFL.
Just as a yard stick. My old 2000 7.3 TD F350 2WD 4dr lariat with 3.73 gears, over 215k of commercial hauling a goose neck trailer with one or two cars on it most of the time unless deadheading, averaged 12.4 mpg. not a huge amount of power but with no deff and only tires ,brakes, oil change's and a pinon seal in all that time I was happy with it. Thanks for another great test guys!
@@shanevancyou have to wonder how much worse for the planet it really is when twice as much fuel is burnt though. A family member’s Cummins was getting 8-8.5mpg with her horse trailer before being deleted, since being deleted it gets 15-17mpg. Would be nice if there was a more efficient way to clean the exhaust fumes without restricting the engine’s capabilities to the point of using double the fuel
Greetings from Chile, I have the 2023 Silverado 3.0 Highcountry and I can´t be more pleased with my truck, I commute about 65 miles every day, the mpg is impresive and the power available is enough, also the interior is quiet and comfortable.
Why the 3L though when you have the tried and true 6.2L as an option. If there wasn't such a good gasser the 3.0L diesel would make more sense. And if you're towing enough to want a diesel why are you in a 1500?
@@JNatella On the high country, the diesel is only $600 more than the 6.2 and gets 30% better MPG. I'm in California and with the fuel prices, that is a huge difference. Plus, the cruising range for highway trips is probably around 600 miles. Even around town, I will probably only have to fill up one time a month. I don't drive like I am on a race track so I don't really need the off the line acceleration that the 6.2 has. The 6.2 is a great engine, but for me, the diesel is my preferred option.
@@lonecrusaider look out for the oil pump belt. It has to be changed every 100k or 150k (can't remember). New ones are 200k. It's a costly maintenance point that must be done.
@@oceanwaves83Lol chill. 200k. Literally the life of the engine or trans. It's not that big of a deal and everyone needs to chill out. It's a $2.5k job, so not that bad. Timing belts on standard cars is $1.5k.
Great video, guy thanks, the AT4X has a lower towing capacity than the standard AT4 and even less than what you can configure with a regular 1500. For most people who use their truck for general tasks-like towing a holiday trailer, quadding, home landscaping, or trips to Home Depot-a half-ton with the 3.0L engine is perfect. Most only tow a few times a year and don’t need the added fuel and maintenance costs of a 3/4-ton or 1-ton truck. If you’re hauling a big fifth wheel, or running a sled deck with quads while towing a trailer, , or pulling heavy loads regularly, then go for an HD.. I own a 2024 AT4 with the 3.0L engine and towed my 7,500 lb trailer (fully loaded with water) from northern Alberta through northern BC, all the way to Vancouver, and back. It handled the terrain flawlessly-no slowing down on the hills-I can down the Coquihalla at 110 km/h using just the engine brake. I averaged 18.8 L/100 km (12.5 mpg) for the entire trip calculated on Fuelly.
Andre, I still have my 2003 GMC Hd with the 6.6 duramax with 109,000 miles on it. This was the top of the line truck for that year with the Regency conversion pkg on it. I put a super chip in it, it is fast. Get about 21 mpg on the road no trailer and with cruise control on. It’s a great truck. I used to pull my horses and never felt the horse trailer behind me.
Andre, here in North Carolina trucks are a status symbol. Even if they only drive 10 miles one way they don't care. That's just how they think here. Thank you for your videos. I always look forward to what you have next.
I looked at all the 1/2, 3/4, and 1 ton trucks. I ended up with a 2021 GMC Denali 3500 with Duramax. On paper, I should be in a 1500 - but couldn’t be happier with the 3500. Drives great, gets around 20mpg, is the ultimate long hall highway vehicle, and can tow/carry anything. Zero compromise IMO and I’ve been driving pickups for 40 years. For me, when I would load my 1/2ton with 4 beefy friends, a few dirt bikes, some gear and a trailer - I;d be at payload and you’d know it.
Got the 24 silverado trail boss with the LZ0 duramax. Been using it as a daily for work 22 miles back and forth and i fill up every 2 weeks. I love this truck so far.
Ive learned when it comes to 1/2 ton vs heavy duty trucks. Half tons are always easier to drive more comfortable, better off road better turning radius. Buy enough truck, but don't buy way to much either. The heavy duty trucks will hold up better to abuse especially the solid axle fords but if you can get by with the 1/2 ton without going past 75 percent of its payload or towing capacity go that route. If you will go over 75% often you need a bigger truck.
Why do people always say don't tow more than x% of the tow rating? It doesn't make sense. The truck has been tested and certified to tow x amount of lbs. No manufacturer or their engineers ever mention to only tow a percentage of the advertised rating. Derating is a common opinion among people who have no education in the engineering field. Do what you want but you'll not find any solid evidence to back your thinking up. I am positive that if you asked an automotive engineer, they would tell you the derating has been done for us already.
It will last longer. Kind of like taking 2 weight lifters one with max squat of 500 the other 300. Have them both lift 290 the guy with the 500 max will do it easier more times with less wear and tear on his body.
@@Fast_Cabbage Margin for? Do you believe the manufacturers give the "just before the axles snap" payload rating? Or a tow rating that would only work for towing down hill? The margin is already built in.
Both trucks are very impressive the 6 cyl is excellent for moderate towing & the 8 cyl is excellent for heavier towing as well as they can both go off-road also those intech trailers are awesome as are their travel trailers most people don't realize how well they are built structurally they really are amazing
Great comparison video. I tow a 6000 lb travel trailer with a Silverado with a 5.3 V8 and use about 20L/100 Km (Canada) but the truck works like a champ. If I were to get another truck it would likely be the smaller Duramax. Thanks.
When I bought my 6.6 Duramax, it was getting around 13-14mpg until it had a few thousand miles on it. Then it was easy to get around 19-21. So even with both trucks not run in, I’d still invalidate the test until both of them are.
non towing the 3.0 is giving me 34-38mpg highway, towing a smaller trailer 3500Ibs i am getting 19-21mpg. the 6.6 probably shines with higher towing weight vs other v8 gasers. your numbers are pretty good for such a large engine.
@@alexsmba I have owned many new trucks both in both gas and diesel variations and there is zero chance that your trucks fuel economy improved by 6 or 7 MPG because of driving it a couple of thousand miles. There is no break in like that anticipated on any new vehicle period. My Silverado ZR2 with a 6.2 gas engine gets exactly the same fuel economy now that it did in the first week and ditto for my F350 with the 6.7 diesel engine. Break in periods were somewhat noticeable many years ago but not now. The 40 percent plus improvement you are claiming is nonsense. If you saw that level of change it could only be attributed to other factors such as wind or weather or a fault with the equipment itself.
@ well you’re wrong lol. Those 6.6L diesel engines are so tight when they are new. It was not related to wind, though that CAN be a factor, it was not a significant factor in my case. When you’re cruising empty on the freeway, getting 13 with under 1,000 miles, and it’s NOT WINDY, it’s probably not the wind. 😂
@@alexsmba If your Unicorn 6.6 Duramax was so tight with friction that it was killing 40 or more percent of its fuel economy it would burn up in the first 50 miles. Maybe less. Might want to check your oil filter for all that excess metal that was holding her back from achieving greatness. But cool story bro thanks for the entertainment lol.
I think you did the right choice for this new truck. It sounds fantastic and I think the Ford has a little bit more power but you don’t want to sit at the mechanic once a week. Thanks for the videos Can’t wait for the heavy duty towing video on this truck.
I'm a Ford guy too, but bought a '22 3.0 silverado for my work truck. About 75K on it so far and a lifetime average of 25 mpg with about 10% towing near max; the rest with a canopy, bed slide, and several hundred pounds of tools on-board. I've got some complaints about the soft suspension and the massive driveline lash (dealer: 'they all do that') but if i had to replace it tomorrow I'd be buying the same thing again. Can't touch the economy; barely uses any DEF unless towing; and here in CA diesel prices aren't much different than regular. Plus it's not much of a up-charge to get the 3.0 in the first place. 10/10 would recommend.
Keep in mind that diesel can cost over a dollar a gallon more than gasoline at the pump. So, the mileage may be great, but you may not actually save anything at the pump.
@@Omg_Noodles_PUBG you cant go wrong with any truck I feel these days. I’m not biased toward one company. I have had fords rams and Chevy. I currently a 2024 Silverado TB with the 3.0 Duramax and absolutely love it ! No regrets at all. Tows fantastic. Offroad is great and mpg is 22mpg in the city. Can’t really complain.
Let’s see them do the tow road, with max towing. Because that’s going to be the true test. I love these videos but I want to see them worked as well as a “Sunday drive” because it gives the true range and expectations of the vehicles.
@XtremeBUZZ right i want the next video. This video really doesn't mean anything towing empty. And almost paying 90k for a half ton is absolutely insane
Thank you for the discussion upfront about gassers vs diesel. All of us truck folk wonder. I tow, but not often. I've had a few of each. I left diesel due to maintenance costs. Just oil changes were brutal with diesel. Back to a gasser for daily driver.
The payload on the 1500 highlights the real issue these trucks have: when you consider the tongue weight, passengers and equipment, how useful are 1/2 tons? 500 lbs on the tongue isn’t that much but would kill the utility of this particular truck.
Yep. Throw some camping gear and 5 passengers 2 100 qt coolers to put game in and the truck is squatting. Another reason not to level a truck that’s used as a truck.
I’ve been avoiding watching this video because I drive a 24’ AT4X w/ 3.0 and honestly thought it would get destroyed by the HD Trail Boss. My what a surprise. I drive back and forth from Denver to Steamboat 1-3 times a week, with a trailer occasionally. It’s my favorite 1500 I’ve ever had. Great video.
Andre hit all the 3.0 Duramax "wow factors" power per L , etc 💪 I do wish that he would have mentioned LB7 power versus the 3.0 I think a lot of people would be very surprised!
Just bought a 2025 Silverado 1500 ZR2 with the 3.0, MSRP was only about 72k (before any discounts or rebates), this is my 3rd truck with the 3.0 and it's absolute incredible, BY FAR the best engine in ANY half ton truck in the last few years.
I purchased a new 2022 1500 Z71 with LM2 engine 2 years ago. Only had a max tow rating of 8900lbs and payload of 1679lb - Ended up trading it on a 2019 3500HD 6.6 Dmax because we ended up going with a bigger travel trailer (9200lb GVW); Normally I wouldn't have sold it, but we also were travelling through the mountains with 6 people in the cab (4 adults) thus blowing past our payload by a fairly wide margin. In flat towing (with the LM2) I would get about 14mpg (Similar to what you got with the LZ0); and I get about 10.5-11mpg with the 6.6L towing through the mountains out west - and about 12.5mpg flat towing. All numbers hand calculated using 30second method every time. Not bad at all I'd say, especially with the older 6spd Allison.
@@oceanwaves83 The 30 second method just means that you wait 30 seconds after the pump has stopped filling for a final top off. The reason they didn't do it in this test is because they were using high flow pumps at a commercial station. But if you run the pump on the low setting at a regular station, it's the method that tfl uses to try to minimize as many variances as possible.
Shoulda' got a Chevy 2500 with 8 foot bed ! You can close tailgate on motorcycles & some ATV's you're carrying, & much better for 5th wheel hauling - less likely to crash hitch into back of cab & load applied ahead of rear axle.
I like this video where they are testing the exact same payload. For people who are trying to decide if they need HD. But I also really want to see a capacity comparison. Both trucks run the loop towing 90% of their individual max tow weight.
One thing to measure.. and you really need a Banks Data Monster.. is how much DEF fluid was also consumed. I know the 3.0L are thirsty when towing. Having said that, I LOVE the 3.0L in my '24 Silverado ZR2
Nice video. Those are awesome trailers. That’s a generator compartment on the outside Case. My two cents with having a similar trailer is the 1500 is not enough truck if you’re towing any kind of distance and/or higher speeds and/or poor road conditions. Those enclosed trailers push a 1500 around and also will bounce you to death on uneven roads and bridge approaches. The fuel mileage was impressive but so was the 2500s.
I have a 2023 High Country with the 3.0 Duramax with 48,xxx miles on it currently. I drive hot shots, I recently had a hot shot run from the New Orleans area to Philly. I was not pulling a trailer, but on one of my fill ups, the range on the dashboard showed 750 miles. Needless to say i was very impressed. I was averaging between 70 and 75 mph on that trip. I am loving this truck the longer i have it.
It’s a Hawk. I looked at it frame by frame. It’s flying fast opposite direction and making a left turn to swoop down, combined with the camera effect and 60mph opposite direction makes it look faster.
@@user-dw4cv3xq5u It looks like a Hawk flying sideways but it isn't turning at all. Its flying straight which doesn't make sense. I could be just the camera distorting the object making it look elongated.
Great test but rear end gear ratio and tire size make a significant difference to mileage as well. Thanks for proving that for occasional towing the smaller truck works but lots of heavy towing the HD truck is best. Personally for large heavy loads I prefer a 1 ton dually for stability and safety. It's true they are wider but not wider than the mirrors.
If you tow and do truck things with your truck get the 2500. If you buy a truck to put a lift & giant tires on it only to drive it as a car like most truck buyers today, get the 1500.
Thanks for this. I often wonder how much I would lose going to a Super Duty. I've got a 21 Powerstroke 3.0. It's a great truck to daily on rural highways and fantastic towing within it's limits. The efficiency is brilliant, especially towing - 27 highway empty and 15 towing my car. Everything I have seen indicates I have a lower operating cost than I would with an Ecoboost. I do miss the extra payload I would get with the ecoboost, but not often - the payload limits what I can put in the truck while towing, so I just move the load to the trailer. It's not like my Taco, where I couldn't have a dog in the truck while towing. With an XLT FX4, I can put 1040# on the hitch and still have two big dogs in the cab. If you are going for a fifth wheel or gooseneck, the payload of any 1/2 ton is insufficient, never mind towing capacity. The AT4 trim loses you 1-2 mpg right off the top. I think people buy the AT4 for the interior, but a different trim truck - even with Z71 options - will perform better in most conditions, with better fuel economy, lower base weight, and higher capacities. You should be using weight distribution and sway control.
Editing error at 1:45 or so black screen and no sound for a bit... Happens to the best of us and doesn't actually bother me I'm just trying to be helpful and in case anyone else wonders why their video seems to stop
Sounds like the 3.0 will be perfect for me. I tow a 2500lb bass boat or load up the back and go on vacation with the family of 4-5 in the cab. And also use the truck bed as a truck bed.
I have 130k on my 3.0 and it uses a decent amount of def but nothing absolutely crazy. I probably need to fill my def every 30-60 days depending how much I tow. The only downside of the 3.0 def is you need to use DEF from a container. I used a def pump twice and it through codes twice.
Doesnt matter once u delete it. Gov can claim that is unlawful but it's not a lawful law. If government vehicles aren't required to have all the eco bullshit on their vehicles then neither are we required to have it. Plus, just like concealed carry, how are they going to know unless u say something
@@BondsIsKingI’d be nervous about that station. I’ve had good luck with def pumps on my 6.6. So much less hassle than those container and I think over time less risk of foil or some other nonsense getting into it.
I also liked the "Big 'Un" comment from Andre. Takes me back to the "Married With Children" TV series and Al Bundy's favorite magazine. I don't think Andre realized where that phrase came from.
Should have done a loop without trailers for a baseline comparison. For towing that was not a good comparison. The 1/2 ton was towing 50% of its capacity, and the 2500 was only at 25%. It should have had a 9,000 lb trailer behind it.
@@nismo370z4 then it wouldn’t have been a proper comparison. You want the same weight and same weather and environment. Definitely a loop without trailer. However, you want the same and you only talking about carrying weight, (empty weight) engine is still gonna perform.
The 3.0 duramax uses a drive belt to run the oil pump. It cost about $2700 to replace and is supose to be changed at 150k however we have been seeing alot of them failing at just over 100k miles.
And so it begins, TFL’s experience with the new HD truck Would have been nice to see direct comparison between what was and what is - what is practical gain and loss from last HD?
Watch an older video showing what you want to know with the previous truck. Then watch the video here & in the future and compare that yourself. People want everything spoon fed to them these days and don’t know how to do it themselves,,,,. 😊
I bought a 2024 F350 XLT. Just towed a skid steer 150 miles, averaged 12.5 mpg! The new diesels are amazing (now imagine them without the emission crap)
I've owned both and now currently have a 2024 GMC Sierra 3500 HD with the Duramax. Loved the half ton with the 3.0 Duramax, but they are completely different trucks. I alway felt outgunned suspension wise but never felt like I needed more power. The 6.6 is an absolute animal but drinks diesel like an absolute animal as well. If you tow moderate loads and don't need gobs of payload the 1500 3.0 is your truck. If you haul 3k+ and tow at the same time, the 3500 6.6 is your truck. Otherwise I loved them both, wish I could have one of each at the same time.
Was considering buying a 3.0 duramax for my wife and her horse trailer. Followed a couple facebook pages and no way. Those things have way more issues than anything else in the 1/2 ton segment mainly due to emissions and after treatment.
@@coachvonyo You only(mostly hear/read about the negatives) everyone that has a flawless truck doesn't post OMG my truck is flawless I love (insert manufacturer)
@BluegrassNBass agreed. But I'm in other groups. 3.0 hurricane, 2.8 Duramax, 2.7 GM gas, hemis, etc. none of them come close to the number of serious issues as the 3.0. It's not empirical for sure, just my observations.
@@coachvonyo Well just another data point for you. My 2023 GMC SIERRA 1500 SLT with the LZ0 has about 18,000 miles and hasn’t had any issues at all. Average fuel economy is 27.8 mpg (hand calculated). Sips DEF. My truck was assembled in Mexico and has excellent fit and finish. I don’t mind the emission system because I hate the smell of un burnt diesel fuel which apparently a lot of people like to inhale. But to each own, it’s your money buy what you think is a better product. Good luck.
I owned a 21 w/ 3.0l,.. loved it,. but,.. it wasn't the towing beast I'd hoped. Power was never a problem,. but tongue weight and overall rear axle load was maxed with an RV. Went to a Superduty 6.7 and it's been a towing beast. That said, I'd have another 3.0l duramax again. Loved that little engine and the truck was pretty good too.
This is one comparison that always makes me mad. If GM would just put a metal timing gear in the 3.0, it would be a BEAST. Instead, they put a wet timing belt in to neuter the engine intentionally. Wet belt=flawed design.
During fuel efficiency test having a truck right behind you helps with aerodynamics and improves fuel efficiency of that truck... Better to keep side by side or more distance between them...
Anyone else yelling at the screen at the 12:15 mark for Andre to get out the passing lane as he is holding up vehicles behind him for a photo shoot? Should of put the middle truck in the right lane and Andre in the center.
As the owner of a 3.0, and I tow a 4k lb trailer on the regular, the only two reasons that I can think to have a HD truck would be: 1) You have to tow over 10k at any point on the reg or work, or 2) You're compensating for something you're lacking in your jeans
@chrisd4251 I can't stand when people try to suggest someone is lacking because they have a lifted truck or larger engine. That's the most stupidest thing ever. 1st, it's a free country, and people can buy whatever they want. 2nd, you buy something bigger than you actually need. My Ford 150 hybrid 3.5L with 3.73 gears has a max tow of 12k. My camper loaded is anywhere from 7.5-8k. That gives me 4k leeway. I get 9-12 mpg towing. Not towing, I get 20-22 mpg. This truck is the best all-round. As much as I love it, I love the F250 tremor diesel H.O more and will eventually buy one. It will tow over 20k and will do wonderful towing my camper and get great MPG doing it.
@danielwilliams4473 I agree with you but unfortunately there are people who fit this stereotype. Plenty of guys who drive huge lifted trucks that think it makes them tough. Maybe not compensating for size but definitely something they aren't happy with about themselves.
I think it’s still not a fair comparison. 1. You need to loop these vehicles at minimum 75% towing capacity 2. Mention how much DEF is used 3. Drive minimum 55mph and maximum 70mph speed, ideally 65mph Great video!
In terms of power per litre in a diesel: I have a BMW 5series F11 with the N57D30T1 engine. 3.0l displacement. Modified with a larger intercooler and new internals in BOTH chargers plus a individual remap it produced 450 hp and 664 lbs ft of torque. Limited by capability the 8speed auto. It hits the torque limiter just over 1700rpm and stays right up there up to 2500. And it complies with Euro 6c emission regulations. With DPF and DEF
@AkioWasRight right! I could do 20mpg on an easy 140 mile loop... however, if regen hits, I've got 8-11 mpg for 10-30 minutes, killing any hopes of more than 18mpg...
my step dad bought a 2025 1500 denali with the 3l duramax i have driven it a couple times with a double axel car hauler with a sxs which honestly is not a ton of weight but still that truck could pull that thing so easily cant even feel it truck accelerates effortlessly i really like it it also dose not bounce around over bumps its great also being a denali its got all kinda of cool stuff on the inside.
Apples to oranges. Two different tools. One is a half ton with half the engine displacement and the other a 3/4 ton, what would you expect? They each were made to do completely different jobs. Both very nice trucks. Just depends on what you need them to do.
I have a 2023 AT4 3.0 best truck I ever owned and the engine is amazing, power and fuel efficient, I average 26mpg with a mix of highway and city. Honestly the only bad part if having the timing chain and oil pump belt on the back of the engine, so every 150-200k you have to pull the cab or engine to do maintenance, maybe you can do it with pulling the trans, still if you plan on putting a lot of miles on the truck its something to think about.
Thanks for the comparison. The 3.0 is good and bad though for it seems like reliability can be an issue but if it is working well it works great. Heard of some 3.0s in the shop for months due to issues plus availibility of parts. With that said though if I look for a full size it will be a 3.0 1500 more than likely.
Bought a used 2021 Chevy Silverado 1500 with a 3.0 diesel in September. Haven’t done a ton of towing with it yet, but I’ve gotten some crazy fuel mileage (according to the computer) on some of my longer trips. Best number so far is 35.8 mpg!
The second you tow with it its going to eat DEF like its going out of business, anything over 7,000 pounds and it feels like you're towing through mud. At 100k miles you also get to enjoy some extremely expensive routine maintenance with the timing chain and submerged oil pump belt. That's going to run you about $10G
If you need a daily driver its ok. If you need a work truck its shit.
Just sell it before you reach 100k either way
@@beware3586 wells it's light duty so just uses it like one I got ram 1500 with the old magnum can't tow pass 6k but it's a good daily.
@@beware3586 I did my research before buying it. I knew the risks. The fuel efficiency and the truck options seemed to outweigh them. Most of my towing is below 4K, but I need the extra torque for the hills. So far, it’s been a better quality ride and vehicle overall than any of the Ford or Ram products I’ve owned. I’m going to roll with it, and enjoy that sweet fuel efficiency while it lasts!
@@beware3586 The Timing chain replacement recommendation for the LZO is 200,000 miles not the lower amount from the LM2 150,000 miles.
@@beware3586 the wet belt ( not timing chain) is 1600 to 2k at worst case to change. Where did you get 10k? Yes it eats def like crazy. EPA is useless in their reasoning for def. With a def delete the engine get better mpgs and there isn't anything to get clogged.
I have a 2024 Silverado Trail Boss Lt with the 3.0 Duramax and love it ! My family and I tow a travel trailer that weighs about 6k lbs loaded and we took it about 1k miles recently…bad winds up hill all sorts of stuff and we still averaged about 12mpg. When conditions were more ideal 14+ towing. And still plenty of power going up hill. Absolutely great buy if you’re in the market.
Glad to hear your new truck is treating you well. Just curious, what is the payload capacity on your LT trailboss with the 3.0L?
Have a Trail Boss Lt as well but 5.3 . Have considered getting the 3.0 . Happy with 5.3 and also tow about 5900 lbs Lance trailer . Can get 12 if I dont push it . But 11.6 is the norm . Plenty of power so maybe stay put with it . But better mpg not towing is your plus .
@@ZachAttack2U payload on mine is 1570 I believe. Which is great cuz I have thought I should have went for the zr2 but the payload on those is about 1000 or so ? The trail boss is a jack of all trades. Took it offroad and was rather impressed. And I came from a built fj cruiser.
I've pulled a hay wagon probably too heavy and I'd say it did pretty good but I had to put it in 4wd to move it 😂
I'm doing 11.8 mpg towing with my lifted 3.4l tundra 2023
I just bought a High Country 1500 with the Duramax 3.0. I'm impressed so far. My first Chevy in 30 years
Thank you for sharing.
I'd recommend the S&B cold air intake
@@joshuak8607 I had a S&B and after 3 years I put the stock filter back on and no problems with fitment and service light. Stock way better filter system in real world work truck .
Damn i would have bought one too but i bought a house instead 😂😂😂
Insane milage hey? I have a 22 with a titan tank in it (double the stock tank) i get upto 3000kms on a single fill..
Love that yall have a 2500 Chevy. Thinking about getting one in spring, hopefully lots of videos to come!
It's nice to be able to afford those expensive trucks.
go older low miles if you can
nice hop you end up getting it
Consider a 2025 Ram Charger
It’s basically a 3/4 ton truck even has 8 lug wheels
@@Man_in_a_Gucci_Suitit's electric no way.
These are the comparisons the people need to see! I'm partnered with 8 Lugs No Plugs and we'd like to share some clips of yours and tag you!
Love your content. Now do a 3.0 Duramax vs 3.5 Ecoboost pulling same trailer on same loop. Even better if you can include Tundra 3.5 and Ram 3.0 Hurricane.
The 3.0 Duramax will pummel those gas turbo engines in the mpg department.
@coachvonyo It would pummel them in MPG but it would be burning more expensive fuel and DEF to do it. depending on where you live the diesel might cost more per mile.
@@timjodice100 no doubt. One of the reasons we decided against the 3.0 Duramax and went with a 3.0 SO Hurricane. Cost of fuel makes them close. The 3.0 Facebook groups are loaded with serious after treatment issues above and beyond what I see in any other 1/2 ton group. Too many headaches.
@@timjodice100 diesel is also a denser fuel. Each gallon weighs more and contains more crude oil. It would be interesting to compare efficiency in terms of miles per pound of fuel.
I’ll take the diesel any day if I’m towing. Low rpm peak torque is where it’s at!
It would be interesting to measure the amount of DEF used as well by both trucks. It would also be interesting to add another 3-4,000 pounds in the trailer to put the 1500 closer to its towing limit and determine if the LD would perform as well.
From personal experience I can tell you that 3.0 chugged it that entire run
My '22 3.0 barely uses any DEF in normal driving with say 800 lbs in the back. But put a trailer on it and you'd better bring extra as it sucks it down. As for economy towing, I expect if they get up to the 8-10,000 lb range the bigger truck will be more efficient at that point. With light loads yeah, the 3.0 still wins.
@@donhappel9566 "Wins" is pretty objective. IMO they aren't great. Even with 5000 lbs it will lug. Which I think is funny because on paper it has the same power as a 5.9 cummins. Except my cummins could pull circles around my Chevy all day.
What’s DEF?!? My 2019 doesn’t use any at all lol
@@beware3586 Interesting. I tow about 8500 lbs + several hundred pounds of topper/bed slide/tools in the back and haven't had any complaints even over Donner Summit and other passes in the Sierra or Rockies. OK...I wouldn't complain about more power - who would? But it's fine for such a small engine with near max'ed out weight. Recently a buddy was following me in his slightly tuned 7.3 F250 towing a similar load and he said I looked like a rocket ship compared to him on the grades! OK, not a 12 valve, but pretty close in terms of specs. I admit if I were towing that much more than about 10% of the time I'd be in an F250, but given that 90% of the time I'm not, even this old Ford guy had to go with the little duramax. It just made the most sense.
Spot on. I learned the hard way with towing trailers that you should just get the HD and be done with it. A smart spec of the Chevy 2500 HD with max tow is 3 times the truck capability for similar money. Buy the gas HD if you tow less than 10Klbs with campers to enjoy the long-haul stability and HD braking advantages.
Plus the HD will hold its value better when it comes time to trade in.
@@hughhead9079 I used to own a 2011 Silverado 2500 HD with the 6 L gas engine and we abused the crap out of it. The highest weight we've towed for truck and trailer was 38,460lbs and this was in the mountains where? We had some good hills and it was a bit of a struggle but it just kept chugging even up. 7° slopes it had to go into second sometimes but it didn't quit for the 150 mi I was driving with it. Transmission got a little bit hot and had to back it off but that is to be expected. Those gas engines are mean I've towed more in a gasser that I have in my current diesel pickup
I'm glad TFL bought the new Chevy 3/4 ton. It's a nice truck.
Casey's 2nd Gen Cummins would still be my personal pick, LOL.
Best truck channel by far on UA-cam today, TFL.
Just as a yard stick. My old 2000 7.3 TD F350 2WD 4dr lariat with 3.73 gears, over 215k of commercial hauling a goose neck trailer with one or two cars on it most of the time unless deadheading, averaged 12.4 mpg. not a huge amount of power but with no deff and only tires ,brakes, oil change's and a pinon seal in all that time I was happy with it. Thanks for another great test guys!
Get rid of the emissions BS on these trucks and MPG's would be a LOT better
And the planet worse.. but who cares about breathing when you have that power right?@@texZR2
@@shanevancyou have to wonder how much worse for the planet it really is when twice as much fuel is burnt though. A family member’s Cummins was getting 8-8.5mpg with her horse trailer before being deleted, since being deleted it gets 15-17mpg. Would be nice if there was a more efficient way to clean the exhaust fumes without restricting the engine’s capabilities to the point of using double the fuel
@shanevanc for sure! we always remove the emissions equipment out here
@@shanevanc Greta ! Is that you?
Greetings from Chile, I have the 2023 Silverado 3.0 Highcountry and I can´t be more pleased with my truck, I commute about 65 miles every day, the mpg is impresive and the power available is enough, also the interior is quiet and comfortable.
The 3 liter is really impressive. I'm looking at 2025 Tahoe's with it in it for a highway cruiser.
This was a really good test.
You got the right choice. It’s going to be fantastic and it’s upgraded 3.0 L with more horsepower and it looks sick. Amazing.
Why the 3L though when you have the tried and true 6.2L as an option. If there wasn't such a good gasser the 3.0L diesel would make more sense. And if you're towing enough to want a diesel why are you in a 1500?
@@JNatella On the high country, the diesel is only $600 more than the 6.2 and gets 30% better MPG.
I'm in California and with the fuel prices, that is a huge difference.
Plus, the cruising range for highway trips is probably around 600 miles. Even around town, I will probably only have to fill up one time a month.
I don't drive like I am on a race track so I don't really need the off the line acceleration that the 6.2 has.
The 6.2 is a great engine, but for me, the diesel is my preferred option.
Buy it
@@davelindgren5245 I can understand that but I haven’t seen 30% better mileage being reported by any of the reviewers of these 2 motors.
Got a 2020 Silverado 3.0 and the mpg is incredible. Locally I get 26 to 28 and hwy best is betweem 30 and 38. Love this truck.
@@lonecrusaider look out for the oil pump belt. It has to be changed every 100k or 150k (can't remember). New ones are 200k. It's a costly maintenance point that must be done.
How is your best in a range? What is the best average tank?
@@oceanwaves83Lol chill. 200k. Literally the life of the engine or trans. It's not that big of a deal and everyone needs to chill out. It's a $2.5k job, so not that bad. Timing belts on standard cars is $1.5k.
@@floppyebrokent8578 Yeah I'm not going to chill out on trying to help people with what I feel is useful information. Sorry I'm not sorry?
@@floppyebrokent8578the only people crying about the belts are people that don’t own them. Ironically
Great video, guy thanks, the AT4X has a lower towing capacity than the standard AT4 and even less than what you can configure with a regular 1500.
For most people who use their truck for general tasks-like towing a holiday trailer, quadding, home landscaping, or trips to Home Depot-a half-ton with the 3.0L engine is perfect. Most only tow a few times a year and don’t need the added fuel and maintenance costs of a 3/4-ton or 1-ton truck.
If you’re hauling a big fifth wheel, or running a sled deck with quads while towing a trailer, , or pulling heavy loads regularly, then go for an HD..
I own a 2024 AT4 with the 3.0L engine and towed my 7,500 lb trailer (fully loaded with water) from northern Alberta through northern BC, all the way to Vancouver, and back. It handled the terrain flawlessly-no slowing down on the hills-I can down the Coquihalla at 110 km/h using just the engine brake. I averaged 18.8 L/100 km (12.5 mpg) for the entire trip calculated on Fuelly.
I have a 2022 3.0 and I love it the mileage I get is insane! Love your guys videos keep them coming
Andre, I still have my 2003 GMC Hd with the 6.6 duramax with 109,000 miles on it. This was the top of the line truck for that year with the Regency conversion pkg on it. I put a super chip in it, it is fast. Get about 21 mpg on the road no trailer and with cruise control on. It’s a great truck. I used to pull my horses and never felt the horse trailer behind me.
Good ole lb7. I miss mine dearly
Keep it because these new trucks are trash
Wrong
Andre, here in North Carolina trucks are a status symbol. Even if they only drive 10 miles one way they don't care. That's just how they think here. Thank you for your videos. I always look forward to what you have next.
Buy hybred ev
I picked up a 2019 Midnight 2500HD , 2 days ago in Australia .
I drove it 1400 kms , Cairns to Bundaberg .
I’m enjoying TFL vidz , thanks . From 👍🏻🇦🇺😎
I think I underestimate how big Queensland is
I looked at all the 1/2, 3/4, and 1 ton trucks. I ended up with a 2021 GMC Denali 3500 with Duramax. On paper, I should be in a 1500 - but couldn’t be happier with the 3500. Drives great, gets around 20mpg, is the ultimate long hall highway vehicle, and can tow/carry anything. Zero compromise IMO and I’ve been driving pickups for 40 years. For me, when I would load my 1/2ton with 4 beefy friends, a few dirt bikes, some gear and a trailer - I;d be at payload and you’d know it.
Got the 24 silverado trail boss with the LZ0 duramax. Been using it as a daily for work 22 miles back and forth and i fill up every 2 weeks. I love this truck so far.
Ive learned when it comes to 1/2 ton vs heavy duty trucks. Half tons are always easier to drive more comfortable, better off road better turning radius. Buy enough truck, but don't buy way to much either. The heavy duty trucks will hold up better to abuse especially the solid axle fords but if you can get by with the 1/2 ton without going past 75 percent of its payload or towing capacity go that route. If you will go over 75% often you need a bigger truck.
Why do people always say don't tow more than x% of the tow rating? It doesn't make sense. The truck has been tested and certified to tow x amount of lbs. No manufacturer or their engineers ever mention to only tow a percentage of the advertised rating. Derating is a common opinion among people who have no education in the engineering field. Do what you want but you'll not find any solid evidence to back your thinking up. I am positive that if you asked an automotive engineer, they would tell you the derating has been done for us already.
To give themselves margin.
It will last longer. Kind of like taking 2 weight lifters one with max squat of 500 the other 300. Have them both lift 290 the guy with the 500 max will do it easier more times with less wear and tear on his body.
@@Fast_Cabbage Margin for? Do you believe the manufacturers give the "just before the axles snap" payload rating? Or a tow rating that would only work for towing down hill? The margin is already built in.
@@cgriffith0187 I always feel tow ratings are like MPG ratings which are done under ideal conditions.
I am sure glad to see you finally doing some testing with the GMC 1500 AT4X AEV 3-liter diesel.
Both trucks are very impressive the 6 cyl is excellent for moderate towing & the 8 cyl is excellent for heavier towing as well as they can both go off-road also those intech trailers are awesome as are their travel trailers most people don't realize how well they are built structurally they really are amazing
Great comparison video. I tow a 6000 lb travel trailer with a Silverado with a 5.3 V8 and use about 20L/100 Km (Canada) but the truck works like a champ. If I were to get another truck it would likely be the smaller Duramax. Thanks.
Great video comparing the two diesels towing.
I was thinking about this comparison the other day and bam, a video from TFL! Thanks, guys!
When I bought my 6.6 Duramax, it was getting around 13-14mpg until it had a few thousand miles on it. Then it was easy to get around 19-21. So even with both trucks not run in, I’d still invalidate the test until both of them are.
@@alexsmba Good point! One had just under 500 miles and the other, just over 1000. Still breaking in these bad boys.
non towing the 3.0 is giving me 34-38mpg highway, towing a smaller trailer 3500Ibs i am getting 19-21mpg. the 6.6 probably shines with higher towing weight vs other v8 gasers. your numbers are pretty good for such a large engine.
@@alexsmba I have owned many new trucks both in both gas and diesel variations and there is zero chance that your trucks fuel economy improved by 6 or 7 MPG because of driving it a couple of thousand miles. There is no break in like that anticipated on any new vehicle period. My Silverado ZR2 with a 6.2 gas engine gets exactly the same fuel economy now that it did in the first week and ditto for my F350 with the 6.7 diesel engine. Break in periods were somewhat noticeable many years ago but not now. The 40 percent plus improvement you are claiming is nonsense. If you saw that level of change it could only be attributed to other factors such as wind or weather or a fault with the equipment itself.
@ well you’re wrong lol. Those 6.6L diesel engines are so tight when they are new. It was not related to wind, though that CAN be a factor, it was not a significant factor in my case. When you’re cruising empty on the freeway, getting 13 with under 1,000 miles, and it’s NOT WINDY, it’s probably not the wind. 😂
@@alexsmba If your Unicorn 6.6 Duramax was so tight with friction that it was killing 40 or more percent of its fuel economy it would burn up in the first 50 miles. Maybe less. Might want to check your oil filter for all that excess metal that was holding her back from achieving greatness. But cool story bro thanks for the entertainment lol.
I think you did the right choice for this new truck. It sounds fantastic and I think the Ford has a little bit more power but you don’t want to sit at the mechanic once a week. Thanks for the videos Can’t wait for the heavy duty towing video on this truck.
I have a huge crush on that 3.0, since I don’t need a huge 6.6/6.7l truck. I’m a ford guy that may have to consider a GMC 1500 in the future
I'm a Ford guy too, but bought a '22 3.0 silverado for my work truck. About 75K on it so far and a lifetime average of 25 mpg with about 10% towing near max; the rest with a canopy, bed slide, and several hundred pounds of tools on-board. I've got some complaints about the soft suspension and the massive driveline lash (dealer: 'they all do that') but if i had to replace it tomorrow I'd be buying the same thing again. Can't touch the economy; barely uses any DEF unless towing; and here in CA diesel prices aren't much different than regular. Plus it's not much of a up-charge to get the 3.0 in the first place. 10/10 would recommend.
@@Omg_Noodles_PUBG come on over to the GM side lol just came from 22 F150 to Silverado 1500 and lovin it
Keep in mind that diesel can cost over a dollar a gallon more than gasoline at the pump. So, the mileage may be great, but you may not actually save anything at the pump.
@@herbb8547yea and when I was in Oregon unleaded and diesel were the exact same price so it also could be a huge advantage.
@@Omg_Noodles_PUBG you cant go wrong with any truck I feel these days. I’m not biased toward one company. I have had fords rams and Chevy. I currently a 2024 Silverado TB with the 3.0 Duramax and absolutely love it ! No regrets at all. Tows fantastic. Offroad is great and mpg is 22mpg in the city. Can’t really complain.
This test showed me more of what I would do for work purposes based on the truck I would need. Good comparison.
Let’s see them do the tow road, with max towing. Because that’s going to be the true test. I love these videos but I want to see them worked as well as a “Sunday drive” because it gives the true range and expectations of the vehicles.
@XtremeBUZZ right i want the next video. This video really doesn't mean anything towing empty. And almost paying 90k for a half ton is absolutely insane
Thank you for the discussion upfront about gassers vs diesel. All of us truck folk wonder. I tow, but not often. I've had a few of each. I left diesel due to maintenance costs. Just oil changes were brutal with diesel. Back to a gasser for daily driver.
The payload on the 1500 highlights the real issue these trucks have: when you consider the tongue weight, passengers and equipment, how useful are 1/2 tons? 500 lbs on the tongue isn’t that much but would kill the utility of this particular truck.
Stop outfitting your truck like a Cadillac. My hybrid F150 has plenty of payload for my 31' camper
Take the AEV crap off and payload is 1500. Pretty normal for a half ton
Yep. Throw some camping gear and 5 passengers 2 100 qt coolers to put game in and the truck is squatting. Another reason not to level a truck that’s used as a truck.
I’ve been avoiding watching this video because I drive a 24’ AT4X w/ 3.0 and honestly thought it would get destroyed by the HD Trail Boss. My what a surprise. I drive back and forth from Denver to Steamboat 1-3 times a week, with a trailer occasionally. It’s my favorite 1500 I’ve ever had. Great video.
Andre hit all the 3.0 Duramax "wow factors" power per L , etc 💪
I do wish that he would have mentioned LB7 power versus the 3.0 I think a lot of people would be very surprised!
Most badass looking trucks on the road!
Just bought a 2025 Silverado 1500 ZR2 with the 3.0, MSRP was only about 72k (before any discounts or rebates), this is my 3rd truck with the 3.0 and it's absolute incredible, BY FAR the best engine in ANY half ton truck in the last few years.
The 1500 zr2 duramax is the best value off roader available and no one could possibly change my mind
Only 72k
Go look at a Raptor or a TRX or the new RHO and get back to me with the price comparison. 72k is a steal for the capability of the ZR2.
@@BGBATKA Steal my ass... that's too much for any damn truck! I'll keep my reliable Tundra!
I have a 24 Chevy 3.0 RST - best vehicle I have ever owned, love it
I purchased a new 2022 1500 Z71 with LM2 engine 2 years ago. Only had a max tow rating of 8900lbs and payload of 1679lb - Ended up trading it on a 2019 3500HD 6.6 Dmax because we ended up going with a bigger travel trailer (9200lb GVW); Normally I wouldn't have sold it, but we also were travelling through the mountains with 6 people in the cab (4 adults) thus blowing past our payload by a fairly wide margin. In flat towing (with the LM2) I would get about 14mpg (Similar to what you got with the LZ0); and I get about 10.5-11mpg with the 6.6L towing through the mountains out west - and about 12.5mpg flat towing. All numbers hand calculated using 30second method every time. Not bad at all I'd say, especially with the older 6spd Allison.
What's the 30 second method?
@@oceanwaves83 The 30 second method just means that you wait 30 seconds after the pump has stopped filling for a final top off. The reason they didn't do it in this test is because they were using high flow pumps at a commercial station. But if you run the pump on the low setting at a regular station, it's the method that tfl uses to try to minimize as many variances as possible.
This is why you guys are the best on UA-cam!
Shoulda' got a Chevy 2500 with 8 foot bed ! You can close tailgate on motorcycles & some ATV's you're carrying, & much better for 5th wheel hauling - less likely to crash hitch into back of cab & load applied ahead of rear axle.
So far the LZ0 with maxtow has been killing it. Up to 10k pulling. Nothing I have played with can do everything it can. Power, MPG, Maneuverability.
I have an LTZ Max Tow LZ0. Great truck! Zero issues, great torque and fuel economy. Love the engine note too.
I like this video where they are testing the exact same payload. For people who are trying to decide if they need HD.
But I also really want to see a capacity comparison. Both trucks run the loop towing 90% of their individual max tow weight.
Great video, 3L is a very impressive engine. That's my next truck but the Silverado version. I'll be going from a Dodge to a Chev.
One thing to measure.. and you really need a Banks Data Monster.. is how much DEF fluid was also consumed.
I know the 3.0L are thirsty when towing.
Having said that, I LOVE the 3.0L in my '24 Silverado ZR2
(the F in DEF stands for Fluid)
Nice video. Those are awesome trailers. That’s a generator compartment on the outside Case.
My two cents with having a similar trailer is the 1500 is not enough truck if you’re towing any kind of distance and/or higher speeds and/or poor road conditions. Those enclosed trailers push a 1500 around and also will bounce you to death on uneven roads and bridge approaches. The fuel mileage was impressive but so was the 2500s.
Keep Kase involved with the truck content. He works great alongside Andre. 👍
No keep him somewhere else, Andre is better with Tommy, Nathan, Roman, Jen. Case adds nothing to tfl.
I have a 2023 High Country with the 3.0 Duramax with 48,xxx miles on it currently. I drive hot shots, I recently had a hot shot run from the New Orleans area to Philly. I was not pulling a trailer, but on one of my fill ups, the range on the dashboard showed 750 miles. Needless to say i was very impressed. I was averaging between 70 and 75 mph on that trip. I am loving this truck the longer i have it.
@@johnlonadier2328 Just imagine if it had a bigger fuel tank!!
Im just waiting for more 18 wheeler content. Volvo VNL baby!!!
I bought a 2020 Chevy 2500 6.6 duramax and I love it!
Should of switched trailers and run it again and check it again
Yes, that would have been a good idea, given the trailer profile and weight differences.
I’ve waited on this video since the 3.0 duramax came out. This is gonna help make my decision
$5 difference in fuel cost BFD. I can afford that to have a decent stable and solid truck platform for towing.
I like that Trail Boss HD . The color combo on both trucks my favorite. My 22' Refreshed 6.2l Trail Boss is silver/black.
22 foot pkug in hybrude rv best
Are we all just gonna ignore the UFO flying over them @ 5:06
@@dwayne_ hawk
@@dwayne_ Whatever that was, it was moving VERY quickly.
Wow that does look sus
It’s a Hawk. I looked at it frame by frame. It’s flying fast opposite direction and making a left turn to swoop down, combined with the camera effect and 60mph opposite direction makes it look faster.
@@user-dw4cv3xq5u It looks like a Hawk flying sideways but it isn't turning at all. Its flying straight which doesn't make sense. I could be just the camera distorting the object making it look elongated.
Great test but rear end gear ratio and tire size make a significant difference to mileage as well. Thanks for proving that for occasional towing the smaller truck works but lots of heavy towing the HD truck is best.
Personally for large heavy loads I prefer a 1 ton dually for stability and safety. It's true they are wider but not wider than the mirrors.
If you tow and do truck things with your truck get the 2500. If you buy a truck to put a lift & giant tires on it only to drive it as a car like most truck buyers today, get the 1500.
In Idaho guys buy the HD trucks and lift them and put 37s to drive it like a car 😅.
Thanks for this. I often wonder how much I would lose going to a Super Duty. I've got a 21 Powerstroke 3.0. It's a great truck to daily on rural highways and fantastic towing within it's limits. The efficiency is brilliant, especially towing - 27 highway empty and 15 towing my car. Everything I have seen indicates I have a lower operating cost than I would with an Ecoboost. I do miss the extra payload I would get with the ecoboost, but not often - the payload limits what I can put in the truck while towing, so I just move the load to the trailer. It's not like my Taco, where I couldn't have a dog in the truck while towing. With an XLT FX4, I can put 1040# on the hitch and still have two big dogs in the cab.
If you are going for a fifth wheel or gooseneck, the payload of any 1/2 ton is insufficient, never mind towing capacity.
The AT4 trim loses you 1-2 mpg right off the top. I think people buy the AT4 for the interior, but a different trim truck - even with Z71 options - will perform better in most conditions, with better fuel economy, lower base weight, and higher capacities.
You should be using weight distribution and sway control.
Editing error at 1:45 or so black screen and no sound for a bit... Happens to the best of us and doesn't actually bother me I'm just trying to be helpful and in case anyone else wonders why their video seems to stop
@@josephcullen2512 you beat me to it
Eeek! Dead air!
I was thinking they intentionally blacked out.
@@MechanicalMercenary it's possible there was an intentional blackout transition that is just too long accidentally or something
Lol. Exactly
Sounds like the 3.0 will be perfect for me. I tow a 2500lb bass boat or load up the back and go on vacation with the family of 4-5 in the cab. And also use the truck bed as a truck bed.
How much DEF did the 3.0 use? I Have heard there a little thirsty on that.
I have 130k on my 3.0 and it uses a decent amount of def but nothing absolutely crazy. I probably need to fill my def every 30-60 days depending how much I tow. The only downside of the 3.0 def is you need to use DEF from a container. I used a def pump twice and it through codes twice.
@@BondsIsKingnothing wrong with using bulk def, use it on my 3.0, zero issues
@@Jake.r606 ya it coulda been 2 for 2 and just bad luck but I’m not risking it again.
Doesnt matter once u delete it. Gov can claim that is unlawful but it's not a lawful law. If government vehicles aren't required to have all the eco bullshit on their vehicles then neither are we required to have it. Plus, just like concealed carry, how are they going to know unless u say something
@@BondsIsKingI’d be nervous about that station. I’ve had good luck with def pumps on my 6.6. So much less hassle than those container and I think over time less risk of foil or some other nonsense getting into it.
That baby diesel is amazing
Another great video guys! Good job!
Thank you 🤗
cool test! digging the 3.0l
“Helluva nozzle!” Best comment of the year. 🤣
I also liked the "Big 'Un" comment from Andre. Takes me back to the "Married With Children" TV series and Al Bundy's favorite magazine. I don't think Andre realized where that phrase came from.
I heard the same thing on my wedding night.
@robertyoung8289 Sure you did. I believe you, even if nobody else does.
I had the same experience when I did this test in 2021!
Should have done a loop without trailers for a baseline comparison. For towing that was not a good comparison. The 1/2 ton was towing 50% of its capacity, and the 2500 was only at 25%. It should have had a 9,000 lb trailer behind it.
Why?
@@nismo370z4 then it wouldn’t have been a proper comparison. You want the same weight and same weather and environment. Definitely a loop without trailer. However, you want the same and you only talking about carrying weight, (empty weight) engine is still gonna perform.
The best mpg I have gotten out my 23 silverado 4x4 3 liter duramax was 41 mpg. I absolutely love the engine.
The 3.0 duramax uses a drive belt to run the oil pump. It cost about $2700 to replace and is supose to be changed at 150k however we have been seeing alot of them failing at just over 100k miles.
That's unfortunate to hear
With the 3.0 i was getting 35mpg in my escalade esv! Love that engine
And so it begins, TFL’s experience with the new HD truck
Would have been nice to see direct comparison between what was and what is - what is practical gain and loss from last HD?
Watch an older video showing what you want to know with the previous truck. Then watch the video here & in the future and compare that yourself. People want everything spoon fed to them these days and don’t know how to do it themselves,,,,. 😊
I bought a 2024 F350 XLT. Just towed a skid steer 150 miles, averaged 12.5 mpg! The new diesels are amazing (now imagine them without the emission crap)
Yes. 1984. Too 2004 emisions. 2014 emsions
New truck engine is still breaking in, it's over fueling itself, come back and try the loop again in 10,000 miles
He said that in the video.
Heck yea!
Was going to say the same thing
Lmfao it's "Over fueling" it's self? 😂
Just say you don't know what you're talking about.
Dumbest comment ever 🤦♀️
I've owned both and now currently have a 2024 GMC Sierra 3500 HD with the Duramax. Loved the half ton with the 3.0 Duramax, but they are completely different trucks. I alway felt outgunned suspension wise but never felt like I needed more power. The 6.6 is an absolute animal but drinks diesel like an absolute animal as well. If you tow moderate loads and don't need gobs of payload the 1500 3.0 is your truck. If you haul 3k+ and tow at the same time, the 3500 6.6 is your truck. Otherwise I loved them both, wish I could have one of each at the same time.
Was considering buying a 3.0 duramax for my wife and her horse trailer. Followed a couple facebook pages and no way. Those things have way more issues than anything else in the 1/2 ton segment mainly due to emissions and after treatment.
@@coachvonyo You only(mostly hear/read about the negatives) everyone that has a flawless truck doesn't post OMG my truck is flawless I love (insert manufacturer)
@BluegrassNBass agreed. But I'm in other groups. 3.0 hurricane, 2.8 Duramax, 2.7 GM gas, hemis, etc. none of them come close to the number of serious issues as the 3.0. It's not empirical for sure, just my observations.
@@coachvonyo Well just another data point for you. My 2023 GMC SIERRA 1500 SLT with the LZ0 has about 18,000 miles and hasn’t had any issues at all. Average fuel economy is 27.8 mpg (hand calculated). Sips DEF. My truck was assembled in Mexico and has excellent fit and finish. I don’t mind the emission system because I hate the smell of un burnt diesel fuel which apparently a lot of people like to inhale. But to each own, it’s your money buy what you think is a better product. Good luck.
Sad thing I learnt from this is we pay 3x the price for our diesel than you guys do in the states plus we pay milage tax. Live the content as always!
Great Comparison!!! Well Done 🏁
I owned a 21 w/ 3.0l,.. loved it,. but,.. it wasn't the towing beast I'd hoped. Power was never a problem,. but tongue weight and overall rear axle load was maxed with an RV. Went to a Superduty 6.7 and it's been a towing beast. That said, I'd have another 3.0l duramax again. Loved that little engine and the truck was pretty good too.
This is one comparison that always makes me mad. If GM would just put a metal timing gear in the 3.0, it would be a BEAST. Instead, they put a wet timing belt in to neuter the engine intentionally. Wet belt=flawed design.
Engineer one up and sell it. Make $$$$ lol jk
The 3.0 has a timing chain. The belt is the oil pump drive and they have been very reliable so far.
During fuel efficiency test having a truck right behind you helps with aerodynamics and improves fuel efficiency of that truck... Better to keep side by side or more distance between them...
I’m just in stock that your truck read the same mpg as your hand calculation. Incredible! Haha
Trucks are getting more accurate these days hahah but that's a great effort
Another great test guys!! I have wondered what the differences would be between these two trucks.
Anyone else yelling at the screen at the 12:15 mark for Andre to get out the passing lane as he is holding up vehicles behind him for a photo shoot? Should of put the middle truck in the right lane and Andre in the center.
They bought new Chevy's. Shouldn't that tell you everything?
@@coloradomountainman8659 As opposed to your Suburu.
Lol Hell Yea !!!! Kase when he gets his ZR1. Love the mentality
Well, this video will be taken down for a re edit soon. Black screen and no sound for a bit after Andre started the fill up.
@@duggydo Uhh, what
@@duggydo the video was fine, issue was on your end.
I had the same issue in the same spot.
@@jimmy4x4socal44 All that means is they fixed it. Other people who saw it early commented about the same problem.
@@duggydo your wrong
I was debating on the 1500 or 2500 when i got my 1500 Ultimate with the 3.0. Glad I did. Get 30mpg daily and 14-18mpg towing our camper.
As the owner of a 3.0, and I tow a 4k lb trailer on the regular, the only two reasons that I can think to have a HD truck would be: 1) You have to tow over 10k at any point on the reg or work, or 2) You're compensating for something you're lacking in your jeans
@chrisd4251 I can't stand when people try to suggest someone is lacking because they have a lifted truck or larger engine. That's the most stupidest thing ever. 1st, it's a free country, and people can buy whatever they want. 2nd, you buy something bigger than you actually need. My Ford 150 hybrid 3.5L with 3.73 gears has a max tow of 12k. My camper loaded is anywhere from 7.5-8k. That gives me 4k leeway. I get 9-12 mpg towing. Not towing, I get 20-22 mpg. This truck is the best all-round. As much as I love it, I love the F250 tremor diesel H.O more and will eventually buy one. It will tow over 20k and will do wonderful towing my camper and get great MPG doing it.
@@danielwilliams4473"most stupidest"
@danielwilliams4473 I agree with you but unfortunately there are people who fit this stereotype. Plenty of guys who drive huge lifted trucks that think it makes them tough. Maybe not compensating for size but definitely something they aren't happy with about themselves.
So you must have one for reason #2😲
Up here in north Idaho most guys get HD trucks just because they’re bigger and more “badass”
Lets see more comparisons with the 3.0 vs other new half tons. Love mine..... definitely one of the best trucks / engines on the market
I think it’s still not a fair comparison.
1. You need to loop these vehicles at minimum 75% towing capacity
2. Mention how much DEF is used
3. Drive minimum 55mph and maximum 70mph speed, ideally 65mph
Great video!
In terms of power per litre in a diesel:
I have a BMW 5series F11 with the N57D30T1 engine. 3.0l displacement. Modified with a larger intercooler and new internals in BOTH chargers plus a individual remap it produced 450 hp and 664 lbs ft of torque. Limited by capability the 8speed auto. It hits the torque limiter just over 1700rpm and stays right up there up to 2500. And it complies with Euro 6c emission regulations. With DPF and DEF
Regen makes short tests unreliable.
@AkioWasRight right! I could do 20mpg on an easy 140 mile loop... however, if regen hits, I've got 8-11 mpg for 10-30 minutes, killing any hopes of more than 18mpg...
@@SuperdutyExplorer Soot load also matters. If you're getting close to a regen, that will also lower MPG.
Nice episode. Thanks guys.
Very interesting results. The 3.0 is an impressive engine for sure.
my step dad bought a 2025 1500 denali with the 3l duramax i have driven it a couple times with a double axel car hauler with a sxs which honestly is not a ton of weight but still that truck could pull that thing so easily cant even feel it truck accelerates effortlessly i really like it it also dose not bounce around over bumps its great also being a denali its got all kinda of cool stuff on the inside.
Apples to oranges. Two different tools. One is a half ton with half the engine displacement and the other a 3/4 ton, what would you expect? They each were made to do completely different jobs. Both very nice trucks. Just depends on what you need them to do.
Good comparison fellas 😎
Fun video as always. I bet there is a weight curve where the two trucks crossover on efficiency.
I have a 2023 AT4 3.0 best truck I ever owned and the engine is amazing, power and fuel efficient, I average 26mpg with a mix of highway and city. Honestly the only bad part if having the timing chain and oil pump belt on the back of the engine, so every 150-200k you have to pull the cab or engine to do maintenance, maybe you can do it with pulling the trans, still if you plan on putting a lot of miles on the truck its something to think about.
People. Buy nre9 vehicles beforrex150,000 miles or 200'000 buy neeew vehical
@@sharonbraselton3135 you have a seizure as you typed that?
5:27 ufo lol
Thanks for the comparison. The 3.0 is good and bad though for it seems like reliability can be an issue but if it is working well it works great. Heard of some 3.0s in the shop for months due to issues plus availibility of parts. With that said though if I look for a full size it will be a 3.0 1500 more than likely.