My personal preference is the Inster, but it’s great that small affordable EVs are coming. I really hope BYD take the opportunity to make the Seagull significantly cheaper in the UK than in the EU to demonstrate the impact of tariffs on buyers
TL;DR There's no data either way to prove your statement. There is no firm pricing commitments from either brand - and this is as of mid-December compared to your post in August. Arguably, Hyundai are in a clearer position with an actual landing 'register your interest' page for their new offering vs BYD who still have no information or no registry.
Nice comparison and covers the key points. I hope they keep the Casper name, not too gone on the inster name. It's first on my list for a replacement for my current car.
for me the most important is the battery chemistry...... Inster still uses NMC type so that's a no no for me... even if you have 350km rage, 80% that's 280km anyway...
BYD is much cheaper which means less safe. They are cheaper because they cut corners. Also, there's a chance of implementing a spyware in the car. Not a fan of Hyundai, but between two, Inster for the win.
Important factors for me in this segment are: looks (it mustn't look like I borrowed the car from my nan, which gives the Seagull the edge here), efficiency (range is not important as I'd consider anything with 100+ miles of range, but it mustn't be wasteful. The Seat Mii is a good example of doing well in this regard), quality of drive (this would be my local car for chucking round country lanes, so it has to be nippy and composed).
My preference is Inster. It is cheaper than Dolphin and with more preferences too for me as a Dane. The Guide speak Danish 😊and the infotainment system is better than the chinese acording to my experience.
I’m a fan of Hyundai, after owning an 2007 i30. Great car , comfortable, well made, reliable. I still regret having sold it. I too like flat folding rear seats, to camp in the car if need be. I like good head room in the rear. I think I prefer the inster.
For me the distance an ev can go on one charge is the most important factor together with price. This is then followed by equipment, ride and looks. The Inster seems the best car but looks rather odd. The seagull looks more conventional. I am not a fan of the tablet type infotainment screen. The Kia e3 is probably my ideal ev at the moment, it ticks all the boxes but is another 10,000 or more expensive.
Seagull’s better looking but as a complete package the Inster is currently ahead for me. How it’ll compare to the Euro spec Seagull remains to be seen, but Hyundai have a strong presence in Europe already (dealers/servicing) and BYD have got to build that up from scratch.
I agree that the Inster by far sounds like the best choice compared to other EVs in the compact segment. I don't think the Seagul is a bad choice but interesting of soms practical annoyances I have with the current EV line up in the compact segment I think the value over transitioning from ice to EV is practicality. And in that I see the rear seats and boot in practically all compact segment EVs have not improved over their ice counterparts in terms of practicality and ticking of those boxes without compromising of the total experiemce package people want with EVs. The Inster in that regard shows a no compromise in a really good package in the compact segment. The Seagull also does it well from the EV standpoint, but I think it fails in terms of range and interior practicality. Maybe the Inster NMC battery is not the ideal choice in the total package compared to LFP, but I think in terms of timing for price, that might be something that can be addressed in the s3cond generation. I think by now Hyundai has addressed most NMC battery issues from other models in the past. I don't think there is no need for a Chinese EV reservation, but we do know that they are experiencing growing pains in terms of servicing quality and really need to get to grips with improving their software quality for the European market standards and taste of design. For me, the comparison is my 2005 Toyota Aygo. I want to transition to electricity and to me in terms of size, range, practicality, and tech upgrades, the Inster tics almost all the boxes for what I need in my next car/EV. The Aygo can easily drive 500-600 kilometres with one tank. So, any compact to any medium range EV will never satisfy my wishes. But Indonesia necessarily needs a large midsized EV. A Tedla model 3 or Y for me is still too big for the European roads and practical city use. I think for daily work commute and the occasional holiday a 300 km all weather all season range 10-80% charge capacity is an acceptable range to compromise. I saw they also have 15-inch alloy wheels, which could also help with the range a lot.
Factory warranty is the biggest deal for me, 2nd would be reliability and cost to own, 3rd be performance and range. Non of the first two was mentioned just sayn 😉👍
in china BYD provides another compact SUV called Yuan up（元up）, whose size is between Yuan plus and seagull，and same level as dolphin but it is a suv not hatchback. but its selling is not as good as seagull. in china, seagull, dolphin, Yuan plus are sold very well. Yuan up is a buget car, 30% more expensive than seagull, a bit more room but for most urban users, seagull is still the most suitable car. but if someday byd fit its hybrid system inside Yuan up, it may be more favorable. hybrid system seems to big to fit in seagull.
In France, the base price with a 42kw battery is 25,000e the Intuitive with a 49Kw battery is 28,500e the problem is for now you don't get the 5,000 Euro government assistance for this car because it is made in Corea. I see the Dacia Spring selling more. What an error.
@@JSH-do5qf I meant that LFP can handle much more recharging cycles and charging to full constantly. That's more important than better energy density to me. By acceleration, I meant having a powerful motor. NMC can give more power, but the battery type is rarely a limiting factor in acceleration.
@@KimbleJKLthat’s a good point. With a lower amount of range it may be charged to 100% more often so that is something to consider. I would like to know which one charges fastest if you were to take it on a road trip. The charging curve would be nice to know.
BYD Seagull looks... bland? I've noticed that with most Chinees EV: they aren't bad looking, but they lack character. In any case, range and internal space are more important for me. Hyundai Inster is based on a k-car. I've driven Hyundai k before and they do know how to utilize its limited volume efficiently
Inster is looks like somebody put a mid sized suv into a crusher and stopped after a few seconds, emerging a squished more boxy looking mini suv. BYD Seagull - looks like a hot hatch but was told to tone it down a little & it has proper door handles on the rear doors, no more passengers trying to figure out how the damn door opens Ahhh but hidden door handles look sleek & streamlined - some might say... Yeah - why not put them on the front doors then, reason = they are a faff to open over a regular door handle 2nd EV is a Zoe & the one pet hate of mine is the poxy rear door handles on it, why didn't they just put regular door handles at the back - like the front doors Zoe is ok in most other areas, not planning to replace it just yet, but if the time comes in the next few years, I think I'll be looking at the Seagull for back-up/round town EV. No need for quicker stats, the Leaf beats even the 135 GT Zoe off the line, but the Zoe & the Seagull will be plenty for running around in
I have not seen an inster but I do have an eNiro. It seems to me the build quality of the byds generally is much better than hyundai kia. If the seagull has the lfp blade battery then it can be consistently charged to 100% with no degradation. The Hyundai has to use 80% otherwise it will suffer degradation at three years. So after 10 years the Byd in my opinion will be a much better second hand buy. I do prefer hyundai kia designs at the moment but recognise byd has the better underpinning.
lfp has battery degredation at 100%, albeit less than the ncm battery. It's still recommenced to fill it up to 80%, same as ncm. The lfp should be filled to 100% twice per month only due to its unstable battery chemistry, so that the car can somewhat predict what 100% is and determin the range and battery usage of the car. The lfp will last 15-20 years while the ncm will last 10-15 years untill it degrades to 80% tho.
Hey, yes, awesome car but they didn't fit it with any battery cooling on it, which much like the Nissan Leaf, means that it will not have the longevity that 89% of the people that voted in my recent poll expect from a vehicle. Battery cooling, especially in warm climates is 1000% necessary. But I love the car though, although it is worth noting that Renault and French cars are laced with electrical issues, and it is an electric car, so I would consider that the cheap price may be saving you money up front, but that quite possibly will just be paying for some trips to the repair shop or parts that will need swapping in a few years. I'm sure some people will not agree, but I think most would.
Cooling or heating in winter may not be necessary for an LFP battery, especially with the low motor power of the Seagull. Charging is of course somewhat slower, but the LFP battery is not as sensitive as NMC batteries.
How can that be? If you look at my channel, there are videos where I talk about how fantastic the Seagull is. If you think before speaking, maybe click around a bit, you wouldn't need to write tripe like this.
My personal preference is the Inster, but it’s great that small affordable EVs are coming. I really hope BYD take the opportunity to make the Seagull significantly cheaper in the UK than in the EU to demonstrate the impact of tariffs on buyers
The insta will be twice the price of the seagull in Oz. Both are purely commuters.
TL;DR There's no data either way to prove your statement.
There is no firm pricing commitments from either brand - and this is as of mid-December compared to your post in August. Arguably, Hyundai are in a clearer position with an actual landing 'register your interest' page for their new offering vs BYD who still have no information or no registry.
Nice comparison and covers the key points. I hope they keep the Casper name, not too gone on the inster name. It's first on my list for a replacement for my current car.
As I understand it the Casper and Inster are not the same car, Inster is 100mm longer.
for me the most important is the battery chemistry...... Inster still uses NMC type so that's a no no for me... even if you have 350km rage, 80% that's 280km anyway...
Can you clarify what you mean here by 80% of the range? What is it about the NMC that pertains to that figure?
@@teknover NMC is advice to charge to 80% most of the time for its health and safety....
BYD is much cheaper which means less safe. They are cheaper because they cut corners. Also, there's a chance of implementing a spyware in the car. Not a fan of Hyundai, but between two, Inster for the win.
Important factors for me in this segment are: looks (it mustn't look like I borrowed the car from my nan, which gives the Seagull the edge here), efficiency (range is not important as I'd consider anything with 100+ miles of range, but it mustn't be wasteful. The Seat Mii is a good example of doing well in this regard), quality of drive (this would be my local car for chucking round country lanes, so it has to be nippy and composed).
My preference is Inster. It is cheaper than Dolphin and with more preferences too for me as a Dane. The Guide speak Danish 😊and the infotainment system is better than the chinese acording to my experience.
I’m a fan of Hyundai, after owning an 2007 i30. Great car , comfortable, well made, reliable. I still regret having sold it. I too like flat folding rear seats, to camp in the car if need be. I like good head room in the rear. I think I prefer the inster.
Battery chemistry, can is fit a pram in the boot are currently my top priorities
Now got the new Fiat Panda to contend with as well
For me the distance an ev can go on one charge is the most important factor together with price. This is then followed by equipment, ride and looks. The Inster seems the best car but looks rather odd. The seagull looks more conventional. I am not a fan of the tablet type infotainment screen.
The Kia e3 is probably my ideal ev at the moment, it ticks all the boxes but is another 10,000 or more expensive.
Seagull’s better looking but as a complete package the Inster is currently ahead for me. How it’ll compare to the Euro spec Seagull remains to be seen, but Hyundai have a strong presence in Europe already (dealers/servicing) and BYD have got to build that up from scratch.
I agree that the Inster by far sounds like the best choice compared to other EVs in the compact segment. I don't think the Seagul is a bad choice but interesting of soms practical annoyances I have with the current EV line up in the compact segment I think the value over transitioning from ice to EV is practicality. And in that I see the rear seats and boot in practically all compact segment EVs have not improved over their ice counterparts in terms of practicality and ticking of those boxes without compromising of the total experiemce package people want with EVs. The Inster in that regard shows a no compromise in a really good package in the compact segment. The Seagull also does it well from the EV standpoint, but I think it fails in terms of range and interior practicality. Maybe the Inster NMC battery is not the ideal choice in the total package compared to LFP, but I think in terms of timing for price, that might be something that can be addressed in the s3cond generation. I think by now Hyundai has addressed most NMC battery issues from other models in the past.
I don't think there is no need for a Chinese EV reservation, but we do know that they are experiencing growing pains in terms of servicing quality and really need to get to grips with improving their software quality for the European market standards and taste of design. For me, the comparison is my 2005 Toyota Aygo. I want to transition to electricity and to me in terms of size, range, practicality, and tech upgrades, the Inster tics almost all the boxes for what I need in my next car/EV. The Aygo can easily drive 500-600 kilometres with one tank. So, any compact to any medium range EV will never satisfy my wishes. But Indonesia necessarily needs a large midsized EV. A Tedla model 3 or Y for me is still too big for the European roads and practical city use. I think for daily work commute and the occasional holiday a 300 km all weather all season range 10-80% charge capacity is an acceptable range to compromise. I saw they also have 15-inch alloy wheels, which could also help with the range a lot.
Factory warranty is the biggest deal for me, 2nd would be reliability and cost to own, 3rd be performance and range. Non of the first two was mentioned just sayn 😉👍
in china BYD provides another compact SUV called Yuan up（元up）, whose size is between Yuan plus and seagull，and same level as dolphin but it is a suv not hatchback. but its selling is not as good as seagull. in china, seagull, dolphin, Yuan plus are sold very well. Yuan up is a buget car, 30% more expensive than seagull, a bit more room but for most urban users, seagull is still the most suitable car. but if someday byd fit its hybrid system inside Yuan up, it may be more favorable. hybrid system seems to big to fit in seagull.
In France, the base price with a 42kw battery is 25,000e the Intuitive with a 49Kw battery is 28,500e
the problem is for now you don't get the 5,000 Euro government assistance for this car because it is made in Corea. I see the Dacia Spring selling more. What an error.
The real bargain is going to be the Leapmotor T03
Battery chemistry, interior space, and acceleration (fun) are the most important. The NMC battery in Inster is a minus.
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if you consider the battery chemistry and acceleration, the NMC is mucj btter choice. I am sure you are confused.
@@JSH-do5qf I meant that LFP can handle much more recharging cycles and charging to full constantly. That's more important than better energy density to me. By acceleration, I meant having a powerful motor. NMC can give more power, but the battery type is rarely a limiting factor in acceleration.
@@KimbleJKLthat’s a good point. With a lower amount of range it may be charged to 100% more often so that is something to consider. I would like to know which one charges fastest if you were to take it on a road trip. The charging curve would be nice to know.
BYD Seagull looks... bland? I've noticed that with most Chinees EV: they aren't bad looking, but they lack character. In any case, range and internal space are more important for me. Hyundai Inster is based on a k-car. I've driven Hyundai k before and they do know how to utilize its limited volume efficiently
Inster is looks like somebody put a mid sized suv into a crusher and stopped after a few seconds, emerging a squished more boxy looking mini suv.
BYD Seagull - looks like a hot hatch but was told to tone it down a little & it has proper door handles on the rear doors, no more passengers trying to figure out how the damn door opens
Ahhh but hidden door handles look sleek & streamlined - some might say...
Yeah - why not put them on the front doors then, reason = they are a faff to open over a regular door handle
2nd EV is a Zoe & the one pet hate of mine is the poxy rear door handles on it, why didn't they just put regular door handles at the back - like the front doors
Zoe is ok in most other areas, not planning to replace it just yet, but if the time comes in the next few years, I think I'll be looking at the Seagull for back-up/round town EV. No need for quicker stats, the Leaf beats even the 135 GT Zoe off the line, but the Zoe & the Seagull will be plenty for running around in
Ever since I saw the picture of a byd seagull on fire during transport on a truck I'm not so sure about it
Price
I have not seen an inster but I do have an eNiro. It seems to me the build quality of the byds generally is much better than hyundai kia. If the seagull has the lfp blade battery then it can be consistently charged to 100% with no degradation. The Hyundai has to use 80% otherwise it will suffer degradation at three years. So after 10 years the Byd in my opinion will be a much better second hand buy. I do prefer hyundai kia designs at the moment but recognise byd has the better underpinning.
lfp has battery degredation at 100%, albeit less than the ncm battery. It's still recommenced to fill it up to 80%, same as ncm. The lfp should be filled to 100% twice per month only due to its unstable battery chemistry, so that the car can somewhat predict what 100% is and determin the range and battery usage of the car. The lfp will last 15-20 years while the ncm will last 10-15 years untill it degrades to 80% tho.
I think I Like the Interior of The Insta Way Better.
Citroën ec3 starts at 179000dkr which is arround 25000 euro
Hey, yes, awesome car but they didn't fit it with any battery cooling on it, which much like the Nissan Leaf, means that it will not have the longevity that 89% of the people that voted in my recent poll expect from a vehicle. Battery cooling, especially in warm climates is 1000% necessary. But I love the car though, although it is worth noting that Renault and French cars are laced with electrical issues, and it is an electric car, so I would consider that the cheap price may be saving you money up front, but that quite possibly will just be paying for some trips to the repair shop or parts that will need swapping in a few years. I'm sure some people will not agree, but I think most would.
Cooling or heating in winter may not be necessary for an LFP battery, especially with the low motor power of the Seagull. Charging is of course somewhat slower, but the LFP battery is not as sensitive as NMC batteries.
I ordered the inster a few days ago.
I would never buy a chinese car, and as little as possible of everything/anything else from china.
Can you develop on the "stigma" of being a Chinese car ? 🤣🤣🤣
"Two of the most important three EVs..." What is the third one? Dacia?
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Seagull all the way
Is this another byd hate video?
How can that be? If you look at my channel, there are videos where I talk about how fantastic the Seagull is. If you think before speaking, maybe click around a bit, you wouldn't need to write tripe like this.
@@TheChargeShow lot of ppl get money to cry about the west is bully chineese things. dont pick up theese as a real komment
No, it is not.
A hate BYD video from a really famous EV evangelist UA-camr I watched is using bad acronym on cover picture such as BYDWTF
@@undisclosedthai wr
It's okay to hate chinese products since there are a lot of spyware on them.