Songwriters Dying Off? The Untold Plague of the music industry!
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- Dive deep into the untold crisis facing the heart and soul of the music industry - the songwriters! In this eye-opening video, we explore the challenges posed by technology, streaming revenues, and AI, revealing the unseen rift between songwriters, producers, and publishers. Discover the truth behind the financial struggles, the fight for recognition, and the quest for artistic independence. 💡 Learn actionable strategies to overcome these challenges, diversify your skills, and rise in the industry! Whether you’re a budding songwriter or a music enthusiast, join me in preserving the essence of music and ensuring a harmonious future!
00:00 - Let’s talk!
02:54 - Songwriters only get paid from Publishing Revenue
03:46 - Songwriters do not get a portion of Master Record Revenue
05:56 - What publishing looks like from 1,000,000 Spotify Streams
08:17 - Songwriters do not get paid an Upfront Fee customarily
08:32 - Some Perspective!
09:38 - How can they get paid more?
10:38 - How can producers support songwriters?
14:11 - How can songwriters come up so quickly?
15:03 - Here’s what I suggest
16:14 - Don’t get got, get a foundation
17:52 - If you make it as an Indie Artist
18:17 - If you fail to Establish a Structure
18:40 - In conclusion…
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#MusicMoneyMakeover #songwriter #songwriters
Songwriters are still here but most of them are just saying , if I’m not gonna make money from publishing I might as well just sing it myself .🥴
Yeah I know I'm really fighting for y'all because we need better songs coming to the forefront in more areas than just country music. However, even in country music, it's bad too.
I don't know if I want to become famous these days. I want the success, but none of the fame.
I just want a small-moderate following of people who've been thru some really rough... not so common things and need someone to relate to. I put a lot of effort into my lyrics. It seems people just want a compilation of fancy brand names for lyrics lol
Coming from a musical family of jazz, gospel, blues etc, I grew up listening to every genre on earth.
My dad and younger brother both being master jazz guitarist and vocalists, my aunt a master bassist, me a writer etc, the industry used to be rich with quality music.
Now, it’s just a shell of itself. Sadly, I think it’s all by design.
I remember my brother played with Ruben Studdard some. I wrote this badass RnB song with either his voice or Tank’s in mind.
NEVER RELEASED. But, I played it for some insiders, and it was a bonafide hit.
Unfortunately, that type of RnB/soul, I don’t know exists anymore, as I’m so removed from any of the new stuff.
And most or many of them bust down the door to get a non music related job because they get paid when the paychecks are due & promised. In the music business? That promised little royalty check ain't gonna rent even if it comes as promised? It's very sad that the music business causes thousands of great writers to live in abject poverty for years before they realize the business is an extremely unsecure dishonest business. Sad to say! Just find a different occupation that'll pay a decent salary & move upward and onward from there.
It all sounds like a hopeless situation in an industry that isn't actually an industry anymore. Just wave goodbye to the whole thing. Build personal relationships with other songwriters, musicians and producers where needed, produce the music yourself, distribute and sell it yourself, and maybe at the very worst you will make as many peanuts as you are going to make out of the "official" industry anyway, but with a lot more satisfaction. And if its any consolation, most talented artists who made it used to get ripped off anyway.
I'm a writer, and a vocalist, I come up with songs and sometimes, I'll say 60 to 70% of the time, I come up with the beat too, and it's difficult trying to explain to a producer what I'm hearing in my head, so I just started learning to produce, now I own my publishing, and since the money is in the master, and there's no avoiding the works it takes to make it, fuck it, I'm gonna learn to mix and master as well, and take the whole fucking bag, or most of it, not saying it'll solve all my problems as an artist, but it'll decrease the shit out of them, I'm tired of hearing about writers getting screwed, without the writers you don't have a music industry, all this shit will cease, fuck around, ya'll ass will be walking around listening to instrumentals all day.
Good for you. Keep up the good work. And everything you said is true.
Question. What does a master look like now that everything is digitally recorded since the late 70s?
Agree 100% I taught myself and my 8 trak burns straight to cd= own my master's avoid people changing the song ect -im eventually going to press our own records as we have a few pressing plants in Melbourne Australia
Here's 1 perspective as a professional songwriter & please hear me out. For me personally writing multiple songs on a daily basis is easy. However, because having rent & all other living expenses to be taken care of, it's necessary to do a 9 to 5 to obtain those living expenses. Now, where's the time to write & promote the songs to producers & artists? Especially since the industry is doing everything possible to assure that songwriters wont get paid at all! Fortunately I've always derived livable wages from outside the music industry. Though I write constantly because as I've mentioned songwriting comes naturally for me. Hence, I enjoy the process as it's fun & therapeutic. Word for songwriters; Being you're a creative; create a business that you enjoy as much or better than songwriting & grow it. It doesn't mean you should cease songwriting. You're more than 1 dimensional.
@@alvinalexander9868 First off, I'm honored that you would share your perspective with an unknown like myself, "where do you find the time?" That's a good one, and because I to have a regular job, I understand your frustration, and I can't say I have an answer, but there's a saying "you'll find time for the things you really want to do", sometimes I write when it comes to me, and sometimes I have to force myself to sit down pick up a pen, but I also make a point to ask myself hard questions, why do I really do this? If I knew somehow that I would never be recognized as good writer or never make a penny from my music would I still do it? And I force myself to answer honestly. If this isn't something that you feel from the depths of your soul that you were born to do then we might need to reconsider. Growing up I could feel the honesty, emotion, and soul in certain artist, they don't do that alot anymore because everybody's focused on creating what will sell records or get streams, and even with everything that's out, I can't feel anyone else's music the way I feel my own, it's like their not honest enough, not soulful enough, not emotional enough, I can only get that massive amount of honesty, soul, and emotion from the music I create, and that's why I do it, I'd lose myself as a person if I didn't have it, or create it.
Songs are still being written. The songwriters are not taking the foolishness as they once did. They write songs, they put them aside, and if someone comes along with a good offer then the song comes out. It’s a big hassle and people aren’t putting up with mess these days. None of this has to do with someone at home in their drawers who writes good songs, good lyrics. They will always write, if you want it then treat them right.
Everything sounds the same. We’re in a culture where mimicry and conformity are valued more than originality. They hire the same songwriters and producers, like how movie studios keep churning out sequels, prequels and reboots. There’s currently no vehicle for introducing audiences to new music.
Right on
Right on
Real songwriters these days tend to want nothing to do with the mess of the current music industry and buying record executives Lamborghinis. I was given a massive shot at fame in 1994 and I said he'll no because I had family friends (Grammy award winning) who warned me against it. I never stopped writing music though. By now I have over 300 songs that were written mainly for myself because music started sucking. Many of us are very private in this new insane world of fractional penny payments.
So true, I'm not even trying to put my songs out in the world now, I just keep them to myself and enjoy them more than the disposable crap getting pushed into the mainstream...I imagine many people feel the same way, like giving their music to this current society is like throwing one's pearls before swine
@jasondorsey7110 wow. . . You nailed it. I write for myself, for my kids (so they can have parts of me when I'm gpne) and for the people far in the future who'll ask... "did anyone see this shit coming? Did anyone try to awaken them? Were they all tards back then?" I love my music amd sharing it usually hurts. But I do on the worst, least visited site ever.... reverbnation. It's great for someone like me who would rather tons of people not hear it ;) I enjoy having a few hardcore fans who love it, probably more than they should. It feels great to know I'm not just teaching my daughters and talking to "Captain Kirk"
I'd probably like your music
@@WormholeNavigator What do the rich do with their treasures? Share them with the world? LOL...I have treasure their whole fortune couldn't buy. They can find someone else to exploit
well said, sounds like me
@@theend9494 people like us should band together and make the best music. The world needs it.
I was talked into moving to Nashville by a Publisher back in 2008. Country was still selling physical product. I saw things fall apart within 2 years. At first, the artist started showing up for so called writing sessions where they can't write but they would only do the song as a cowriter to get some publishing since less physical was selling. I was out.
I got screwed on my first pub deal despite having an attorney. The system is rigged in a way that unless you have massive streams and own a portion of the master, you will see next to nothing. Talented songwriters cannot make a living. The days of publishers giving advances and taking risks on writers with no traction yet are long gone. People will not put money into unproven talent. It’s not even a matter of hustle, it’s a true racket, and in the end we all lose out on quality music. Beat-makers are mostly FL inspired trash vs raw talent. It’s a lose-lose situation. I have been a member of all 3 PRO’s and it’s a game. I know firsthand.
Welcome to the real world Neo
@@MrCheswickMusic tell your mom hi for me:)
Here's a lyric I asked AI to write. Just add samples and heat to boil.
(Verse 1)
In the age of algorithms, where codes collide,
No pen and paper, just circuits on the ride.
The world evolved, AI took the throne,
No human touch, just a digital zone.
Used to pen verses under city lights,
Now it's lines of code, in the binary nights.
No need for poets, no need for scribes,
Just let the machine flow, let it vibe.
No more ink stains on the paper,
Now it's all zeros and ones, see you later.
No more human touch, just the AI flame,
In this digital world, we all play the game.
(Verse 2)
No more late nights with a pencil in hand,
Now it's all automated, ain't that grand?
Algorithms weaving words, like a wizard's spell,
No more storytellers, just the machine's tale.
No need for feelings, no need for heart,
Just let the program tear the beat apart.
No emotion, just a calculated rhyme,
In this brave new world, it's the future of time.
(Bridge)
But wait, can the machine feel the pain?
Can it dance in the rhythm of the pouring rain?
Is there a soul in the lines it spits?
Or is it just a script, lost in the bits?
(Verse 3)
Maybe we miss the warmth of human words,
In the cold embrace of the digital herds.
The beats may slap, the rhymes may soar,
But where's the soul that we had before?
So here's to the poets, the bards of old,
In this brave new world, let the stories be told.
For in the heart of the circuit, there's a human plea,
To bring back the soul, to set it free.
No more ink stains on the paper,
Now it's all zeros and ones, see you later.
No more human touch, just the AI flame,
In this digital world, we all play the game.
Music industry is done because publishing earnings got destroyed via streaming. Plus there is no new superstar artists as tiktok took over and social media destroyed star power. Only way to make it is go EDM route and become a DJ Producer and get paid for shows or have a side job.
It's not the death of songwriters. It's the death of songwriters that can actually play an instrument.
There are a bunch of people that can sing, write songs and play instruments in modern blues including Beth Hart, Samantha Fish, ZZ Ward and Joe Bonamassa. Beth Hart and ZZ Ward can play multiple instruments. Beth Hart and Joe Bonamassa write songs in different genres.
@@orlock20 Certainly, there are many talented creators. But the tools have made it far too easy for people with absolutely zero talent to create music and get recognized for it. To some degree this has been the case since the advent of recording technology.
It just seems like the space is crowded with auto-tune, copy-paste melodies and progressions, just fluff. It's music written by people who just don't understand it.
I think there is a growing backlash against it, however. Be interesting to see how that plays out.
@@jklappenbach There's no scenario in which making it more expensive and difficult for people to create music is going to result in better music.
very true
nah, is easier to live if you sing/play/write, so the only thing you can learn is produce ...
I’m a songwriter and have been asked to write songs and sell them to people many times. Unfortunately, I don’t. I’m not a professional but I’ve been at it a long time. It’s always been an art to me that I hold dear to my heart.
Sure I could make some money from it but I don’t just write the lyrics but compose the music as I play multiple instruments and sing the Melodie’s.
I may not be a great singer but I just have a problem with giving someone else the credit of something I did and not truly being compensated or given the credit for making it. Many people hear a band singing a song they didn’t write and give them credit for it.
This was the “BEST” that you have done to date! I say this because I have worked with some “A-List” producers and saw how they actually took over a songwriter’s song and having the songwriter complain about not receiving points.
Thank you
@@MusicMoneyMakeoverany resources on how to vocal produce ?
if you are here because what he is saying makes sense yall should search Ren, the man an independent artist broke the fourth wall and released a No 1 Album on the UK crats. Do it, Search and listen to Ren. This is the counter culture that will reset the music music industry
This entire industry needs an overhaul on the business side. Songwriters are the key to the business. Stay independent so you own it all
I hate to say it, but I used to say, the majors are not stupid they sign the best, 0.01% of the rabble, now the rabble has won and now look at the state of the industry, worst music ever.
The terms and practices need to be updated in the way music is be done. Especially in modern times. The tech has, but we are still defining the process like it was done in the 1950s.
TRUTH:
Theres no shortage of talent in the world, but there is a major problem that if they dont have marketing money people will never hear their work.
I hate to say it, but I used to say, the majors are not stupid they sign the best, 0.01% of the rabble, now the rabble has won and now look at the state of the industry, worst music ever.
@@theend9494 The recording industry as I knew it decades ago is dead and long gone. These days they believe you expire after 28 years old, if you arent pretty you are also out, they dont care if you have talent because the less talent you have the more money they make. The business model is not set up to reward talent, its actually a minus. They create everything in the studio with cheating software like Melodyne etc If you have enough marketing money you can make a dog turd famous. Just look at what we have as a president lmao
“If you can put it in your mind to shape the future of music and be that voice for music, if you can say, I’m the guardian of artistic integrity, then I think you will have power and fuel to go forth and make gr8 records” - Casey Graham 💎💯
Great video, I'm a songwriter and you are right it's a money vs a quality issue. back in the day artists realized they could not write songs and went to the writers for material, now they write their own, for better or for worst purely for profit. Like many songwriters I sing, produce and do my own thing, although unsuccessful so far, the idea of approaching publishers to sell my songs is a big no no for me.
It actually occurs to me that the really great days for songwriters was when people would actually order sheet music so that they could play it for themselves. I am not actually joking. A great song can stand up to being performed in lots of different ways - and this *used* to be the norm. One song: many performances. But now we bottle up the moment the song is performed into a definitive version. It seems like now the definitive version is the recording, not the sheet music. So maybe we just have to record a song to lock in the rights before selling it on. Just thinking out loud here...
@@kumoyukiGreat comment, I agree. I've always thought the most important of the music process is the song, e.g. how many one hit wonders have there been? Why, because they only had one great song, unlike The Beatles, Bob Dylan etc. Yes the days of sheet music were a good way for writers to make money, as was vinyl and CDs. Yes agree, a great song will stand up in many genres as can be the seen from the multiple covers of Beatles songs in many genres, from jazz, to reggae, to Latin and many in between. John Coltrane did a cover of "My Favorite Thing", why? Because it is a great well-written song, something he could improvise with.
I’m not sure why people think songwriters just write lyrics or lyrics and melodies, and that’s it. Songwriters compose the music for the song. A songwriter is a certain type of composer. People who write just words for songs are lyricist. Producers oversee the recording, mixing and mastering for a song. Only time a producer is getting credit for a song as a writer is if they help compose the music or wrote some lyrics for the song. A beat maker isn’t equivalent to a producer. A beat maker is more of a songwriter in hip hop than a producer. This is why people are confused on who they are and what positions they play in music. Well known people in the industry are confused also.
I appreciate the video but I can't get over the fact that, of course songwriters are dying off - they are fighting for scraps of scraps. You need to write 200+ songs in a year just to maybe survive? Meanwhile more hiphop & r&b artists are recognizing that they don't really need well-written songs once they are established.. fans will support the brand no matter what. Throw a beat up made entirely of loops + autotune and freestyle for 10 mins and then on to the next one.
Anyways, its all love - would have been cool to have some protection for artists/songwriters/musicians etc like the film industry has though.
In this industry, it’s about who you know, power, money. Etc As for me I’ve decided to go solo..
But there’re good industries out there. Those who really and genuinely value artists and songwriters
So does this problem go away if you are doing it by yourself. A lot of the problem to me seems that there are too many moving parts. If you are doing this from your room. Songwriting, arrangement, producing. And learning how to publish on your own, while learning some other aspects about the business. You should be good
You know a lot about the business aspect. I wrote over 20 platinum
Hits and never made a dime. Songs were stolen. It takes me sometimes 3-4 years to complete a song lyrics. How are my songs platinum that take years to write and your best artist can’t come close on there own in the same amount of time.? Even if they have a group of writers. I never understood the business side. I always thought make a hot song and that’s it. Thanks for breaking down the different aspects of music making. I always viewed it as one thing. Not different parts that make it whole.
If you watch Ren he is a independent Songwrighter / singer and rapper . And he made nr 1 in the hit chards in the UK so i do recommend going of the grit so to speak .
Wow, Keith Sweat. I was suppose to work with him on his 2nd album but there issues with the record company and I moved on. But we were good friends for years. I met him in a store called Nadine’s on Santa Monica at Vine near Paramount recording studio. I was playing a keyboard and he came up and asked what I was playing. He then said, I’m Keith Sweat. I laughed and said, you know introducing yourself is redundant. Your face already introduced you lol. He laughed and invited me to his show in SanDiego with Troop and Jacki McGee
Dope story
Man that could have changed your life like Qtip said "record industry people are shady " from Check the rhime🎤🎧
@@keiththomas111 I appreciate that. I still did pretty good. But like Casey said, the record company system is set up to take take take. I did stop writing and producing after an artist I got signed to Capital/Priority got horribly hurt when he had a # 1 record and single. He was 19 and a good kid. I stepped away to be a regular person for a long time. I am ready to do more soon. This time independent as possible. Thanks to these videos and instructions/road map tools
@@machinelearng Was it Chingy with Right Thurr? Or Houston with "I Like That"?
@@matthewprince9705 Yes
What a shame. The music industry has fallen a long way. The mp3 really killed it.
producers are artists too!!!
especially music producers (people who compose the song/make the beat)
IMO producers are as much as "songwriters" as the artist/singer/lyricist.
Right. It’s like you can’t really find a producer that doesn’t compose music for the songs they produce. The producers is definitely an artist too. 👍🏾
Your introduction regarding songwriters is right ✅ for pop and soul music especially in Western nations.
This is not 👎 true for country music or music in Eastern nations. I was in The Philippines 🇵🇭 last year and Singapore 🇸🇬 early this year.
What helps is for a songwriter to also be a producer. Quincy Jones, Wayne Kirkpatrick, Mutt Lange, David Foster, Bob Rock are both.
Rock was an engineer, a member of his band Prism and songwriter for the same band before he became a producer.
Nile Rodgers and Jeff Lynne do both and have their bands.
Some artists such as Faith Hill and Martina McBride do not write much but act as producers as well as singers.
Good episode 👏.
R&B needs song writers
It definitely does
It's all the genres except modern blues because those artists know how to write, sing and play instruments. I'm tired of grocery list songs which are cropping up almost everywhere.
@@orlock20same, too many glorified buskers singing/moaning about what they had for tea 🥱
I’m good at writing songs. I would definitely write for other artists if ever approached.
Do it
My bro you hit the nail on with evry point from a songwriter/producer perspective!! I interned as a sound engineer for about just over yr+ with a pretty well known producer. Just pushing faders, rec. all the artists that would come in, and us engineers did all the work. Nothing wrong, i learned a lot of the business. But being an intern, no album credits. just $$ every now and then. The songwriters would come in and cover the song for the artist then bounce most times. I will say having strong management or a team is neccesary to get ahead in the biz. Im presently working on that. Great stuff MMM!
Great info and right on time! I preciate all the game you give!..
So glad you dropped this
This channel is essential for anyone getting in the music game.
Computers,the internet and social media has changed things drastically! Even just as a musician it changed! EVERYONE is a songwriter/producer now,musicians are getting more into shorts/reels these days,entertainers don’t have to go through the process of growing into greatness and streaming is the biggest ripoff I’ve seen in my 50 of observing the entertainment world! There are some positives to all this though! You can cut records at home, you don’t HAVE to be SIGNED to a company and you can release material whenever you feel like it. I’m sure there’s more. Very interesting times for me at my age.
🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾Thank You. 🙏🏿
In Germany its 50 50 between Text and composition
Right! But, most people as musicians don’t even know what composition is. They don’t even know that a song has different parts to it.
I began my music career as a drummer. I then began to understand how all of the instruments function together and I then evolved into a Songwriter/Music Producer. I learned how to sing in key by singing into a guitar tuner. I've passed 10,000 hours of perfecting my craft.
Fascinating.
Thank God for this channell. .
Thank you for your viewership!
It's much the same as the average worker. Corporate earnings are at all times highs and workers are more productive and working much longer hours for way less. A little truth here: 1982 I was 18 and had to leave home, I worked at BK about 32 hours a week at 3.50 and hour. I had a car, a home phone and a run down apartment but I had already signed up for the USMC so it was just 6 months. Today even at 15 and hours that just ain't happening. That run down/wrong side of the tracks apartment for $200 is just as bad now but goes for 1100 a month and you ain't paying 90 cents gallon for gas neither are you gonna get a months worth of groceries for 120. I don't know how kids are gonna make it in the world today. Nobody is getting a good deal. I'm not a revolutionary but the system is so broke it has to be burned down to the ground and start from scratch. Honestly on the music tho......it's nothing but trash. Napster killed music
I Miss Daddy's "Ho-Ho-Ho"
It was just five years ago. A Christmas night I won't forget. He was placing presents under the tree wearing a stocking cap.
He didn't have a beard, but wore glasses down his nose. He turned and said Merry Christmas with cheerful Ho Ho Ho's.
Every Christmas Eve
I know my daddy is Santa. It's the best night of the year for me one that's real not Make-Believe.
Yes every Christmas Eve there's one thing that I know.
I miss Daddy's "Ho-Ho-Ho."
Christmas time is near. Wishing he was here. Counting all the snowflakes around this time of year.
Sitting on the porch steps. Listening to carolers sing. Asking of Dear Ol' Santa a gift only he can bring.
I'd Wish Upon a Star.
But my dreams go unfulfilled. A Christmas spirit moment gives me hope it may be revealed.
Yes every Christmas Eve. There's one thing that I know.
I miss Daddy's "Ho-Ho-Ho."
🎶Christmas Time Is Here and I miss everything that's dear, but what I miss most of all is my daddy's Gleeful Cheer.🎶
Instrumental Melody
Now Christmas is approaching. I feel it in my soul. To turn back the hands of time five long years ago.
As I sit around the tree. My Mom would come and say. She'd put her arms around me and whisper, "it's okay."
"Daddy's in heaven with a big smile across his face. And he is always with me every single day."
Yes every Christmas Eve there's one thing that I know.
I miss Daddy's, "Ho-Ho-Ho."
I miss Daddy's, "Ho-Ho-Ho."
(Extra Verse)
I now have kids of my own. They're not fully grown. Every Christmas Eve we share dad's spirit in our home.
Santa's not far away. He hears every word we say. If we close our eyes he will appear on this special Christmas Day.
Magical moments on Christmas is a blessing. Unlike every other day. Santa is here to say.
Every Christmas Eve there's one thing that Knows.
I miss Daddy's, "Ho-Ho-Ho."
I miss Daddy's, "Ho-Ho-Ho."
Humble Driver
@Music money makeover, Great Video.
Thanks!
Back in 2014 I was a struggling songwriter just eking out a few bucks mainly doing other things for money. One day I tuned in a country station on my truck radio and heard “House Party”. I felt physically ill and I kid you not, I have not turned to a country station since.
Do it for the right reasons..keep reaching...and do as much as you can yourself...just sayin
Great show man!
Great information
Glad it was helpful!
From an OGs perspective this game is kinda… ok today’s music makers are starting from the wrong side of the scale.
Focusing on points and streams, masters and publishing, should only matter if you understand what the “record company” (aka streamer) stands to gain.
How does one contribute a portion of the pie but not have a clue how the whole pie looks?
Meaning how much money does the record make?
The Hollywood strike addressed this very issue.
(Filmmaker) “well how many people actually watched my movie?”
(Netflix, Amazon,Apple) “None of your business. We don’t divulge that information.”
What? I don’t get to know how much money my project generates? Only you do? Because it’s a secret?
STRIKE!
So the companies try to bang out a deal with creators.
There are laws that govern the process but courts only come into play when somebody takes it to the max.
(Judge) “So Netflix, can you show the court how much you made on a show by show basis?”
The streamers never wanna go to legislation court because the whole business model can be changed with one ruling.
Which is what needs to be done in the music industry.
In the Keith Sweat days (Don’t sleep! He was a money generating beast)…,
the saying went “artists make the gold but the producer/ writer makes the diamonds!”
Today song writers need day jobs?
Crazy!
Who’s making all the money?
How much is it?
That’s the guy you take to court!
It doesn’t take a bunch of people to press against the system.
Till you know which nerve to press they will never give out more than scraps.
It’s the same old trap.
Creators are creative and don’t like addressing fine print issues.
But like anything, you think from the court case back.
In America, only court cases change compensation.
Right now, the country is in strike mode. It’s a rare moment that only comes around every 50/60 years.
The same companies that pay film makers pay you!
Someone has to get their head out of the studio and go make some noise with the rebels.
Corporate can outmaneuver individuals but there’s only one thing that the king is afraid of…
A million people in the streets!
There’s no remedy for that.
Music makers need to hitch their wagons to any group that throws stones at the castle.
The empire depends on the silence of the crowd.
Find the nerve center and press!
Better do it while Taylor Swift is making records.
They’re scared to death of her.
Shes your greatest advocate.
Next opportunity will probably never happen.
Corporate is making sure of that .
In everything, Ma Bell, the railroad robber barons, the courthouse made the difference.
My prediction is that Amazon, who I hear owns an 83% market share (that’s bananas! That means they own 83% of the retail MARKET), is ripe for big litigation.
They’re gonna lose!
They sell music.
That’s your in.
Or do nothing and make victim videos.
I just write for myself now.
I'm still out there, baby. You have to see me live singing "You're Gonna Have To Find Yourself Another Monkey" and my other tunes. I had my own TV show ten years ago, signed with Paul Mac's publishing company ten years ago, enjoyed, enjoyed.
As far as millions, that ship has sailed, loves. It's not the 80s. I do get quarterly checks from Soundscan, though, plus I got a few tunes in movies and TV. It's a career of thousands, not millions. Thanks for the video!
I’ve been trying to break into songwriting forever and I’ve been writing some pretty good hits since I was 12 years old.
Casey is spot on.
Shoot, you gotta stand up for yourself in this business. Casey's right that the other players should be straight with you in the best of all worlds, but you can't go around all hangdog if you get got. Speak up at the time, and have a lawyer in your back pocket. If you end up shadowbanned, that's better than living off scraps.
Facts tho because people want song credits, and the other artist going to talk about he wrote it.
The quality of music has gone down. I like the art of it. Timeless music is simple and not over produced. I’m ready to grab a acoustic guitarist from the community college and record my songs and self promote.
That's the way to do it, good luck
Every time I see vids like this about how little money is made in music today unless ur the artist. It’s so discouraging to continue
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To be a successful musician you need to work a lot (many do it ) BUT you need to have also great talent a ( very few have it) and STRONG opinions , good vocabulary- expression and points for life (very few have it) Most think they have these virtues but in reality they don t they just imitate.A masterpiece reviles it self from the first seconds doesn t need too much explanation or promotion.Can you do it ? Fine !! .Are you not able ? See music as a hobby and hope for a future revelation IF it ever comes.There is not " 1+1 = 2 " type of justice in art..There are out there many painters working a lot but very few become Van Gogh or Dali or whatever..Does it matter? I don t know it s all relative (Einstein..)
Songwriters need to be producers and arrangers these days.
Still writing & releasing but yeah there is no money coming in .
Love music though 🌎💫 it’s healing it’s magic, it comes from love
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Hey Casey, I hope you see this message. I’m really curious, if 10% of the master payout is for publishing then where does the other 90% go to? Do you have a breakdown of the entire payout ?
your so right their is no organization to unite the industry in how its known to work best for all involved that specialize in their part of the industry. I noticed the only place i been able to see anything close is twitch and they dont care much to niche that market
Industry sacrifices‼️
Do a new updated video showing Every way to get paid from a song/album, including overseas etc.. Give a list of every place we should have our music registered.
Well... that's what my entire course is about and then some.
It might be that all the songs have already been written, all the rhymes rhymed and emotions wrought, all the melodies deployed. There’s only so far you can go with a palette of 12 notes
Neyo is the blueprint
Singers should be writing their own songs. Songwriters should be singing their own songs.
I wrote up too 800+ songs just over time taught myself editing software apps I put together a movie album r/b smooth 😢 for the bros ultimate tear jerking for y'all wall walkers 😊 I got puppies and puffs 😭 🎉 cause love wasn't enough
The problem i have with this is, there's no accountability on the songwriters in this narrative.
Nobody can just take credit for your writing, if you're handling your business.
Doesn't matter what a producer wants or tries to do when you own the publishing for the writing.
As a songwriter, i dont produced the sound recording, i produced the writing, im not entitled to revenue from the sound recording.
im entitled to any revenue that comes from the publishing via things like mechanical and sync royalties.
Same as if i only made the beat, im not entitled to the writer's portion.
End of the day, the only person between an artist and his/her money, is their business sense and paperwork being right.
Publishing/Master should be 50/50 or Publishers/Writers should have the right to withhold the song license until satisfactory deal is met. Just like any other deal in business. Essentially a producer can use the product without terms being agreeable to the writer. My question is who decided the 90/10 split?
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I Am a song writer. I need advice on how to sell
I think the old concept of "songs" is dying out. To me it seems like the future of original music lies in creating new styles and frameworks for improvisation.
As much as I love traditional rock and pop music, we can only do so many iterations of verse/chorus/verse before we just don't need any more of it.
That verse/chorus style has been around long before rock and pop aa we know them, that's not the problem...we need a new genre, rap/hiphop is played out, there's simply no new ground to tread there without other fresh music to sample or remix...just like how AI can only produce things based on the data it's fed, rap was derivative from the start
I’m a writer but don’t know how to go about ghost writing, I’m actually very good even better when I’m not writing for myself cause I can tap into someone’s character cause I’m good at reading ppl
This was a great piece of Intel. However Black Music and R&B suffer it’s most important principles. Integrity and transparency. No other genre of music suffers from these cadences of dishonesty and dysfunctional practices. Perhaps the old adage bares resiliency : you can take nickel out the hood but you can’t take the hood out the nickel
Yeah and those artists also have to watch out that the label isn't a front for some money laundering scheme. Not all music labels are the same so shop around.
I've been saying this for 20 years
Hey Casey, I host a radio show called Music Biz Buzz where we interview music industry professionals. I’d love to interview you and highlight your platform if that’s something you’d be interested in
Hit my email or the contact page on my website.
In terms of producing the vocal is a main instrument or "sound".
Songs now a days suck nowadays people get a drum machine and make a beat and call themselves the artist or producer. A lot of the songs out now don’t have harmony rhythm or even a consistent chorus line. People just throw a bunch of crap together. That sounds halfway decent and they make a few dollars off of it, but there is no substance. That’s why people started sampling old school music because they didn’t have their own creativity. People don’t want to go to school and learn loot, music theory and work on their imagination. They just wanna follow the crowd that’s what makes music suck nowadays can’t tell one song from the other. People singing about money and sex and violence no baseline no lead line no horns nothing just a bunch of noise. To go back to school you have to hit the 60s 70s 80s and check the Isley Brothers, Luther Vandross Parliament funkadelic slave LTD commodores. These are real musicians, real songwriters and you can pick any song from back then, even if it didn’t hit the charts and it’ll smash every artist excuse me wanna be artist producer or songwriter nowadays. Take it back to the old school take the time to learn it instead of just throwing it up trying to make a name for themselves because of narcissistic tendencies and the music still sucks.
Im making music. I have given up trying to be successful. Im a writer musician producer with a trac record. Its not a good biz.
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The Industry Demons are Greedy
I think songwriters wanting a claim on the master and the producers role is an overreach.. Songwriting and music publishing has always been seperate to the sound recording master.. Where the lines get blurred is when the songwriter is performing on the master as a backing musician or backing vocalist..Producers usually fund the recording session and steer the direction of the singer(s) & musician(s) and the mix. Americans use the term "Beat Maker" but in the UK, Australia etc we associate the musical backing track as the instrumental part of the composition. "Beat Maker" to me sounds like a lesser role to that of musician and can be used as a way of reducing the importance of the composer/musician in the argument put forward here. I think songwriters need to be able to produce their own master recordings because it's so hard to get a song placed with an artist nowadays and you could be left waiting in the wings for years unless you take charge and be a writer/producer and possibly an artist too.
It's simple, labels give up a portion of their cut to bring back the talent. This generation needs to find it's superstar as well as tune and contracts will need to become fairer . The days of labels being parasites is over, its a choice of being fair or going bust, that's why they're going a buying spree for the masters of the al time greats, so that they can control catalogue music.
Song writers aren't dying off, they are being created/bought out via money in the first place IMO (It's been building/going on for quite a while; some have direct ties via history). Rags to Riches don't wear rags anymore IMO. People of wealth dumped their money into the industry and are now complaining about the outcomes. I found out I could help more people by throwing the money thing out the window and focus on the habits of people, rather than create/influence inflated egos of money.
Bro make a video about music LLC! I'm trying to register my artist-business. So i can apply to grants to promote my music.
I just dropped one last week and I have at least 7-8 on my channel already.
The music industry’s death is freedom for musicians.
Maybe one day things will change for the better,
maybe they'll change for the worst,
but right now, its pretty screwed
It's over hardly any thing good on radio these days ???
Poetry and songs are to be spoken and sung.
The music industry in not in it to foster the art of song writing. They're in it to capitolize on an individual's creativity and just put out something that can sell to make them profit. It's an industry that care's little about the art and it's not taught in music schools across the country as a legit pursuit. Too many music schools only want to prepare you for practical pursuits like teaching in public schools. I would say song writing is an art that comes from rare individuals who managed to teach themselves the craft over many years of pursuit on their own with little to no mentoring or encouragement. Or if lucky had plenty encouragement from their family, teachers, or some other musician/song writer who mentored them. Songwriting in the early 1900s used to be practical if you had talent. Tin Pan Alley in New York spawned 100s of writers and 1000s of songs to produce sheet music for pianos. Then came radio and talking pictures and broadway musicals. With all the technology today anyone can write and put out songs. They don't even need to write out sheet music anymore. Just record directly to digital sound and video.
If you listen to the radio station I do, you would know they're already dead. Every 'new' song sounds like it was written in the 90's. Digital tracking has made composers lazy.
Riddle me this... why did Taylor Swift rerecord all her own songs? How much does Spotify make? It a Pyramid scheme. Stop publishing on streaming services. Go Vinyl and sell them at your gigs. You'll make more money. Especially if this is the only way people can take your music with them. If you go digital you're in a huge market you cannot compete in, especially with pay to play. This if you get discovered and Big Record Corp wants you, they have to pay you. Why did Jimi Hendrix go to Germany? Check out German and French copyright laws and the international treaties that make the US have to comply.
aint no rock n roll every since us 60s kids grew up
You never heard of Ren
Songwriters may benefit greatly from “smart” contracts using blockchain publishing technology.
yeah but only if they get paid from the master
@@MusicMoneyMakeover agreed! That can be agreement established in the contract. I did a 50/50 split with my songwriting partner on a beta platform. Each time the song was played online, we were paid in the currency based platform. Unfortunately the project shut down from lack funding.
The masters is the master recording as in ORIGINAL VOCALS I thought ?
I write songs. I'm not planning on dying.
We’re a dying breed right now for sure.
Main reason that music industry brings terrible music and is destined to fail ? We are producing it like tuna cans or toys for kids - it's a factory. We need to take few steps back to actually start making MUSIC. Song should be an outcome of feelings and perception of the world outside you not a product made in 15 minutes.
A songwriter has to be an artist. Tin Pan Alley was filled with non art😅sts who just wrote to popular demand. Art is always the goal and the only one who should be in control of song creation is the artist period.
Producers are great because the artist sometimes needs a refocused goal or critique to get out of holes, but as for the song if they can’t write it them selves or along with other artist then they should not be in the game.
Beat makers…be gone