An Artist Worth $60M Exposes Music Industry Secrets

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  • @DorianGroup82
    @DorianGroup82  2 роки тому +105

    500+ Musicians Enrolled:
    www.group82university.com

    • @rozberry666
      @rozberry666 Рік тому +1

      What is the original podcast called?

    • @Juicy_James
      @Juicy_James 7 місяців тому +1

      @@rozberry666 the Joe Rogan experience

  • @martincarroll5405
    @martincarroll5405 3 роки тому +4972

    Despite all my rage I'm still just a rat in a cage.

  • @melvinwatson8409
    @melvinwatson8409 3 роки тому +2870

    Music industry is a dope game with lawyers and attorneys

    • @xahsinor4364
      @xahsinor4364 3 роки тому +294

      It's a satanic game

    • @TheBrob1983
      @TheBrob1983 3 роки тому +57

      Dope game aint even like that.

    • @joshnorton498
      @joshnorton498 3 роки тому +233

      It's the pimp game on a bigger level.

    • @thesage90
      @thesage90 3 роки тому +55

      @@xahsinor4364 Sounds like marriage

    • @qwammienewsome1357
      @qwammienewsome1357 3 роки тому +48

      @@joshnorton498 Exactly what it is....PIMP GAME!!! SAD TOO!!

  • @theelusive9625
    @theelusive9625 3 роки тому +2812

    This is from Joe Rogan's interview with Billy Corgan of The Smashing Pumpkins. If you are a musician: aspiring, veteran, in-between, you HAVE TO watch that interview, it is amazing are scary all at once.

    • @bippitybopitybooty4208
      @bippitybopitybooty4208 3 роки тому +6

      They talk about Courtney love?

    • @lastlvl
      @lastlvl 3 роки тому +6

      About to watch it now🎶🎶🎶

    • @Monterey96
      @Monterey96 3 роки тому +21

      The only thing I learned from this guy is how to be a scumbag and I do the opposite

    • @jayjaydubful
      @jayjaydubful 3 роки тому +3

      Wow I will definitely watch this!

    • @iloveitUbet
      @iloveitUbet 3 роки тому +21

      Billy walked into a party at a friends house I was at once ⚠️

  • @Tsudkyk
    @Tsudkyk 3 роки тому +653

    Let’s take back the music industry. Support local artists, buy there merch and see them live.

    • @manchesterexplorer8519
      @manchesterexplorer8519 2 роки тому +57

      The music industry is dead as far as rock . Rock is dead because there's not enough album sales to generate the cash flow . Record companies are not going to sign a 5 man band , not enough money to be made and split . Rock bands also need a large road crew , expensive instruments etc. While rap and pop needs a mixing board and a microphone lol .
      This is why it's mainly rap and pretty faced solo artists these days . Very few new rock bands make it now . Touring generates money for the Bands that were already established 20 + years ago but they're aging fast . Streaming killed the " potentially big" up and coming Rock Bands .

    • @CookyMonzta
      @CookyMonzta Рік тому +15

      Take the indie route. Less of a chance to end up enslaved by a very-long-term contract.

    • @Tttttt85253
      @Tttttt85253 Рік тому +9

      Just for them to blow up and sign a deal😂

    • @rodneywashington2017
      @rodneywashington2017 Рік тому +1

      Exactly💯

    • @gabrielsilveira1438
      @gabrielsilveira1438 Рік тому +4

      ​@@manchesterexplorer8519yea it's sad isn't it. Rap artists who are rich even though they're not real musicians

  • @TennesseeZee
    @TennesseeZee 3 роки тому +275

    That’s what’s so powerful about social media and paying attention to your negotiating skills. If you have talent and people like you they can be sidestepped them, because they’ve always been the middleman and now that’s evaporating. It’s nice to see humanity start to take their power back. Once you sign they got that ass on whatever you signed. NEVER GIVE YOUR POWER AWAY.

    • @williamfredcooper3014
      @williamfredcooper3014 2 роки тому

      It’s rigged. It needs to be investigated. It’s almost like a ponzi. All these guys are connected. Even the lawyers for some of the entertainers, work quietly against their client. Looks like crimes are being committed. Someone should start a petition to have the justice department look at this. And if it’s all okay. We carry on

    • @beat_avenger
      @beat_avenger 10 місяців тому +5

      How you gonna do it without using their platforms like Spotify?

    • @zoyabennettraggamufinmusic2725
      @zoyabennettraggamufinmusic2725 8 місяців тому +1

      So what to do?

    • @TennesseeZee
      @TennesseeZee 8 місяців тому

      We must start creating our own wide open free speech platforms and switch to them. We’ve allowed one big group of parasites corner the entire market giving us one option when we should have endless options.

    • @EternalLifeWithJesusChrist
      @EternalLifeWithJesusChrist 6 місяців тому +4

      Repent!

  • @dreamsofkaia7275
    @dreamsofkaia7275 3 роки тому +1405

    Most of our favorite artists are basically slaves to their label

    • @brandongreco4675
      @brandongreco4675 3 роки тому +84

      Rich slaves

    • @dreamsofkaia7275
      @dreamsofkaia7275 3 роки тому +3

      @Dan Rice What is a slave?

    • @Sveltdre
      @Sveltdre 3 роки тому +51

      @@brandongreco4675 only with money management. Most end up broke, just like they say in this video.

    • @youknowitstrue3826
      @youknowitstrue3826 3 роки тому +31

      @@dreamsofkaia7275 Do you know a lot of slaves worth $60 million?

    • @ajat3202
      @ajat3202 2 роки тому +24

      @@youknowitstrue3826 their worth that but it doesn’t mean they actually get keep that.It imagine of a number.I wanna know what actually get to keep

  • @MrSilus2000
    @MrSilus2000 3 роки тому +1889

    He should tell ppl how they control some of your lyrics and the artists are used as tools to push out programming.

    • @DandyDuh
      @DandyDuh 3 роки тому +144

      Right & their lyrics are programming as well🤯

    • @theartistbonez1930
      @theartistbonez1930 3 роки тому +75

      Nah he wants to cry about selling his soul

    • @bronzebeautybybronx
      @bronzebeautybybronx 3 роки тому +8

      This!!!!

    • @shepard-commander9523
      @shepard-commander9523 3 роки тому +35

      I bestow upon thee the tin foil hat of nonsense my good sir

    • @illiadmcswain3956
      @illiadmcswain3956 3 роки тому +40

      I think they successfully broke that 7 album contract...
      What's that old saying? "contracts are made to be broken"
      Make enough money after 3 or 4 albums, then shop for another label whose lawyers can help break that contract.
      Or, you can do what Vanilla Ice did and meet up with "Shug" Knight at his 12 story crib to have a balcony signing party😆

  • @whereareyouatlee
    @whereareyouatlee 2 роки тому +39

    The music industry is the pimp game. Perfect business to study

  • @RRRSoulEvan
    @RRRSoulEvan 2 роки тому +70

    That’s why I stay independent. You make your own money, you do your own marketing, everything. As long as you put your hard work into it and smart with it. That’s why I’m mainly just listening to independent artist now. Fuck the mainstream cause they just make similar sounds and that’s more important too. You get to create your own sounds if you can make beats if not then find a friend to help you or just start learning to make beats your own. Period!

    • @frankbalazs8816
      @frankbalazs8816 Рік тому +12

      Staying Independent you don't get the radio play or notoriety as a signed label!?

    • @RRRSoulEvan
      @RRRSoulEvan Рік тому

      @@frankbalazs8816 actually you can get radio play it depends the luck cause I can name few artist who had radio play. In addition when it comes to clearing samples it’s easier as well because their is a service that helps you clear samples as an independent artist pretty much anything that a label can do independent can do. Furthermore it also depends on building connections too for like managers to help you book tours and stuff and I actually know one person personally that be doing that and me too ones I go back to release music cause I havnt in a while imma be true and yea man. It all comes down to how hungry you want it

    • @viernes1999
      @viernes1999 8 місяців тому

      ​@@frankbalazs8816the game is changing

    • @MelanatedHomesteadher
      @MelanatedHomesteadher 7 місяців тому

      ​@@frankbalazs8816you can

    • @naturestone3148
      @naturestone3148 6 місяців тому +1

      @@frankbalazs8816 Tom Mac Donald ;-)

  • @BluWaves
    @BluWaves 6 місяців тому +8

    That’s why you create your own buzz & let the record label come to you. Independence is key but note with social media you don’t need a record label to distribute your music. I do mine from my iPhone.

  • @Jaysmooth4
    @Jaysmooth4 3 роки тому +400

    The music industry basically pimps you out in a way

  • @axe2grind244
    @axe2grind244 3 роки тому +183

    Now imagine NOT being Billy Corgan and NOT being one of the best bands of all time. Makes you think twice about getting into this business.

    • @yoholmes273
      @yoholmes273 3 роки тому +8

      "Best bands of all time".....BWAAJAJAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHhHHHHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

    • @williamvonderheide162
      @williamvonderheide162 3 роки тому +5

      Best band of all time Seriously LMAO

    • @kidrobot.
      @kidrobot. 3 роки тому +1

      lol nice try

    • @sleuth-hb4ht
      @sleuth-hb4ht Рік тому +2

      They have like 7 good songs dude

    • @gabrielsilveira1438
      @gabrielsilveira1438 Рік тому +2

      ​@@williamvonderheide162music is subjective to some degree. It's not all about being technical

  • @darrylwayne1292
    @darrylwayne1292 3 роки тому +46

    If u want to know how to do it right in the music Industry, look into Russ’s story. It’s surprisingly inspiring to see how he held out for years until he built his own success without a label or contract

    • @a.nobodys.nobody
      @a.nobodys.nobody 10 місяців тому +1

      Who??

    • @asvpdylann3326
      @asvpdylann3326 9 місяців тому

      @@a.nobodys.nobody russ

    • @viernes1999
      @viernes1999 8 місяців тому

      ​@@a.nobodys.nobodyRuss. He's a rapper. Listen to him. He's speaks on the game regularly, he's one of the only ones on our side. As well as Ye.

    • @viernes1999
      @viernes1999 8 місяців тому

      Nipsey too.

  • @scottjohnson8576
    @scottjohnson8576 3 роки тому +23

    New Orleans, the Melancholy tour, you told us all how tired you were and voiced your feelings about this. Broke my heart because in that moment I knew what you were going through. Well Billy, we didn’t forget you or your music! Love you bro!

  • @josephschmizzo1595
    @josephschmizzo1595 Рік тому +4

    Learn as much as humanly possible (producing, instruments, mixing, sound design, marketing, business etc.) and start releasing music in your 30s instead of your early 20s…
    Nobody will know the difference and you’ll have the life experience to handle the grind of independent content creation.
    Skipping those steps is what gave the industry the power to do this to ppl over and over again. We were gaslit to be obsessed w “youth” rather than “art”….

  • @HakeemTheDream616
    @HakeemTheDream616 3 роки тому +552

    When I seen the thumbnail to this clip I automatically thought it was going to be about a rapper, because they're always exposing the music industry the most. Now I see artists from all genre's are being screwed over with their contracts

    • @skulkid2886
      @skulkid2886 3 роки тому +118

      Rappers simply get screwed over easily because half of the ones that get signed know nothing about music, or the industry and the other half can't even read the contract they're signing.

    • @KG-kx3pp
      @KG-kx3pp 3 роки тому +28

      There's actually a documentary from awhile back about Thirty Seconds to Mars, Jared Leto and the band, and their lawsuit with their label. It basically exposed it back then and the type of deals/contracts that any type of music artist is exposed to or signed on to.
      It isn't new news that artists have been in some serious contracts, and screwed over in or by the industry... Goes back awhile not only the last decade.
      Just more people are talking about it now.

    • @HakeemTheDream616
      @HakeemTheDream616 3 роки тому +59

      @@skulkid2886 Nah I think most of them get screwed no matter the genre.

    • @smith97320
      @smith97320 3 роки тому +30

      There have been songs for 50 years about it. Pink Floyd " Welcome to the Machine" ect

    • @HakeemTheDream616
      @HakeemTheDream616 3 роки тому +15

      @@smith97320 Nirvana "Rape me"

  • @BeyondTheInternet
    @BeyondTheInternet 3 роки тому +530

    *Your Favorite Artists Are Being Pimped*

    • @TheMank999
      @TheMank999 3 роки тому +5

      @Max Power they can always get a real job for thirty or forty years and a gold watch 😂

    • @TheMank999
      @TheMank999 3 роки тому +4

      @Max Power who said I don’t like my life? my life has been fabulous and just gets better all the time. I retired 12 years ago, got bored of that and got another job that takes me all over the country. And that pays for some real nice toys and vacations around the world.
      My comment was aimed at these so called poor artists who just want to complain about shit that they signed up for.

    • @sanandreasX
      @sanandreasX 3 роки тому +8

      By 👁🔺️

    • @wm_9640
      @wm_9640 2 роки тому

      To Pimp A Butterfly 🦋

    • @jttyon4122
      @jttyon4122 2 роки тому

      And more....😢🤮🦠

  • @thefucrew9865
    @thefucrew9865 3 роки тому +72

    Billy is such a genuine guy.
    I used to be security at The Metro, and even his personal security on Wednesdays where he would go look at up and coming bands.

    • @kidwajagstang
      @kidwajagstang 3 роки тому +2

      There used to be a time that I would have mocked Corgan for having personal security, but then Damageplan had their final show….

    • @thefucrew9865
      @thefucrew9865 3 роки тому +5

      @@kidwajagstang, all of the big name musicians and artists have security.
      And there is always security at the venues that they play.

    • @THATGUY-ir4ie
      @THATGUY-ir4ie Рік тому

      @@kidwajagstang Yep. RIP Dimebag Darrell.

  • @amor797
    @amor797 Рік тому +55

    Prince, michael, witney etc
    dmx song industry describe it so well

  • @patricialynn6280
    @patricialynn6280 3 роки тому +5

    MORE POWER TO THE GROWING INDEPENDENT ARTISTS OUT THERE KILLING IT, PASSING THESE PEOPLE ON THE CHARTS and they own all their own music and steer their own careers

  • @varunchandrasekaran9245
    @varunchandrasekaran9245 3 роки тому +324

    lol you know Dorian's audience is young af when he gotta refer to Corgan as "an artist worth $60m".

    • @BlackLynk
      @BlackLynk 3 роки тому +8

      I was thinking the same thing lol

    • @ABJWiseAndStrong
      @ABJWiseAndStrong 3 роки тому +29

      Lol Right, Smashing Pumpkins is a classic 90s rock band, been sampled so many times

    • @dalanijoseph9354
      @dalanijoseph9354 3 роки тому +40

      Or we just don't know who tf he is?? You act like he's micheal Jackson or some shit

    • @DefeatLust
      @DefeatLust 3 роки тому +21

      @@dalanijoseph9354 looool

    • @ThomasFoolery8
      @ThomasFoolery8 3 роки тому +57

      @@dalanijoseph9354 uhh he basically is Micheal Jackson for alternative rock. Smashing Pumpkins is a top 50 hall of fame band.

  • @Ben-xf7uy
    @Ben-xf7uy 3 роки тому +94

    I hate Russ as a musician but he was a genius when it came to dealing with record companies. Exposed a lot of shady practices

    • @lrrich8023
      @lrrich8023 3 роки тому +1

      What did he do or expose from them isn't he independent?

    • @j-us-t_be-in-g
      @j-us-t_be-in-g 3 роки тому +14

      He didn't exposed anything. He took what he learned and went his own way. This isn't new, and he ain't the first to do it, especially when you have music platform to self promote.

    • @Ben-xf7uy
      @Ben-xf7uy 3 роки тому +27

      When you show that advances are just high interest loans and that once you stop being the A-side of the music industry they dont have to promote you anymore or put any money behind you. Anything you put out is on contract. You dont own it. Russ didnt go independent.... He promoted himself until he already had a little bit of a name and used that to negotiate a better contract where he owns the masters and he gets the royalties and what ever else he wanted. He EXPOSED how record companies treat up and coming musicians. He EXPOSED how with social media you can promote yourself and build a brand. He might not be the first person to talk about these things. But he was the first i really heard about it

    • @8MoneyIzmyMission8
      @8MoneyIzmyMission8 3 роки тому +3

      @@Ben-xf7uy he was the first for you because that's the type of music you listen to. It's alright man.

    • @illiadmcswain3956
      @illiadmcswain3956 3 роки тому +5

      @@j-us-t_be-in-g you still have to have that indecipherable "something" that makes people wanna buy your records...a lot of technically talented artists just don't have that "heart" put into their music that makes a lasting connection with the audience.

  • @scopemaverick8733
    @scopemaverick8733 3 роки тому +234

    I’ve never heard a Smashing Pumpkins song, but I remember them from my childhood. They were big, too. The game has mercy for no one!

    • @willapple8145
      @willapple8145 3 роки тому +24

      Listen to their song from GTA 4 called 1979

    • @Based_Face
      @Based_Face 3 роки тому +4

      Yeah they're garbage.

    • @WorldsOnlyBlackStan
      @WorldsOnlyBlackStan 3 роки тому

      I only heard of them.. But yeah

    • @TheHailstorm77
      @TheHailstorm77 3 роки тому +5

      @@willapple8145 Nah, listen to Vice City GTA. That song was such a hit, it hit the airwaves.

    • @chucku.1745
      @chucku.1745 3 роки тому +20

      You probably heard it bro just didn't know it was them. They were one of the biggest bands.

  • @elizaneals
    @elizaneals 3 місяці тому +2

    Just gotta say thanks to you guys for supporting indie creators musicians like myself. I met Billy in Chicago way back and he said “get rid of this terrible band and stand alone.” I was a sideman on keys and vocals back then. Billy asked me to join his band and write together. I was like who is this long haired weird genius… never called him 😂 then he’s famous 😮 ‘that’s the breaks’ but I’m still standing making music touring and recording not rich but living well 💙

  • @MycketTuff
    @MycketTuff Рік тому +2

    The fact that a huge chunk of people can't see evil for what it is is a detriment to the rest of us

  • @youngw1ze
    @youngw1ze 3 роки тому +75

    Every biopic about a musician condensed into about 30 seconds...

  • @o_ofigures
    @o_ofigures 3 роки тому +179

    This isn't a secret anybody who's been in the music industry at any level already understands this!
    It's very unfortunate they do pray upon young people who can't really contemplate or understand the long-term the same as someone who's older because if Billy told this to a starving Street kid who just got offered a contract they would disregard everything he said because this is their shot and it won't be until later do they finally get it when it's too late

    • @SP7000SP
      @SP7000SP 3 роки тому +11

      He’s talking to people that don’t know about the music industry……

    • @NecroSage
      @NecroSage 3 роки тому +22

      @@SP7000SP I mean artists have been talking about how shitty the industry is since the 70s I'm surprised people still don't realize this

    • @politicallyatheist1379
      @politicallyatheist1379 3 роки тому +3

      Lol you can just delete the first sentence of your comment.

    • @tylerj6327
      @tylerj6327 3 роки тому +2

      @@gregburger5186 bro what???

    • @quintonmiller8266
      @quintonmiller8266 3 роки тому +1

      @@NecroSage naw

  • @qbennett7232
    @qbennett7232 3 роки тому +28

    I never understood why a record label would sabotage their own artist

    • @outoforderspace2711
      @outoforderspace2711 3 роки тому +40

      They are lawyers and not music lovers…to them it’s about taking advantage of the impressionables aka the youth.

    • @qbennett7232
      @qbennett7232 3 роки тому +4

      @@outoforderspace2711 but what’s the point?? Wouldn’t it make more sense to promote their artist which makes them money in return

    • @jaystan4597
      @jaystan4597 3 роки тому +18

      @@qbennett7232 there's a clip by Chaka Khan where she said a music exec told her she was worth more as an artist dead than alive.

    • @ThomasFoolery8
      @ThomasFoolery8 3 роки тому +3

      I’d have to see the contract but my guess is that they risk a lot investing in you as well. I’m guessing the marketing and promotion side costs a lot and often yields no fruit for a lot of artists. Just playing devil’s advocate.

    • @thesage90
      @thesage90 3 роки тому +8

      @@qbennett7232 the point is to put them in a position to where they'll be able to control them

  • @The_MissJarvis
    @The_MissJarvis Місяць тому +1

    Another reason why I never wanted to go into mainstream music and prefer just singing for myself and my friends and family

  • @rdillon517
    @rdillon517 Рік тому +2

    i am so glad the internet opened this industry where the few holding people down no longer can.

  • @libertyjo6238
    @libertyjo6238 3 роки тому +17

    You Tell em smashing pumpkins!!!! Y'all are still loved & Your music timeless. The 90s.💕 Last Great decade of good music.

  • @leaveitorsinkit242
    @leaveitorsinkit242 3 роки тому +6

    7 years was really generous back then- allowed artists to actually develop their music. Nowadays… labels want to instantly bank on an artist. If you’re not popping within a year… cut.

  • @KylewithanL
    @KylewithanL 3 роки тому +33

    This man pretty much single handedly wrote and played, imo, the best album of all time....SIAMESE DREAM forever!!!

    • @Kingryangarcia
      @Kingryangarcia 3 роки тому +1

      Artist funny ua-cam.com/users/shortsSZz3MK9p_tE?feature=share

  • @cmonster67
    @cmonster67 3 роки тому +1

    People who had absolutely no clue about the music industry called Prince crazy when he was protesting the system way back in the 90s.

  • @mikebush3834
    @mikebush3834 3 роки тому +2

    Independent artist is the way to go. Yea, it's alot harder but it's possible. It's all up to you and your music.

    • @IamJalayaaa
      @IamJalayaaa Рік тому +2

      Truly !!!! U can make it independently especially if you have money

    • @mikebush3834
      @mikebush3834 Рік тому +1

      @@IamJalayaaa yea, you do need money but not as much as people think. The main thing, before anything, having good music.
      Idk, man. I can talk about this for hours but I'm sittin here now tryin to make some music 😏🎧🎸

  • @donnieleach3202
    @donnieleach3202 3 роки тому +101

    I still listen to smashing pumpkins. Melancholy and the intimate sadness cd is still in my truck.

    • @TheRedverb
      @TheRedverb 3 роки тому +2

      Florida?

    • @d.felixphoto2260
      @d.felixphoto2260 3 роки тому +2

      You still have a CD player in your truck?

    • @donnieleach3202
      @donnieleach3202 3 роки тому +1

      Lol. No I’m in Texas but yeah it’s original and still going. Just don’t have the heart to remove it.

    • @donnaillingworth2311
      @donnaillingworth2311 3 роки тому +5

      Infinite Sadness not intimate

    • @axe2grind244
      @axe2grind244 3 роки тому +1

      Is it the best double album ever? With all due respect to Biggie, Pink Floyd and Wu Tang I say it is.

  • @BigBlackGuyReviews
    @BigBlackGuyReviews 3 роки тому +14

    And that's not counting "industry plants", who really don't get any say so, because their success is solely by company design...🤷🏾‍♂️

  • @HaydenDavidson6
    @HaydenDavidson6 3 роки тому +7

    Apparently, record labels also own rights to your music through the universe, and holographic reproductions of you created by Artificial Intelligence.

  • @teflonjon3341
    @teflonjon3341 3 роки тому +1

    This is why I support independent artist that are able to find success without the backing of a major label. That’s insane, and more proof that it’s all about money over here.

  • @hernandez-yanezboldvoyager2623
    @hernandez-yanezboldvoyager2623 3 роки тому +37

    That"s what happens when you sign a contract with the devil. He may give you fame, money, "success" ... but he will never give you ever lasting life, much less salvation.
    Repent all of you that follow your own ways and wishes, for those are ways and wishes implanted into you by the evil of this world.
    Look for God while He can still be found.

    • @Ultamami
      @Ultamami 3 роки тому +1

      *everlasting

    • @Ultamami
      @Ultamami 3 роки тому

      *who, not that, follow

    • @lucianomanfrinato5481
      @lucianomanfrinato5481 3 роки тому +1

      @@Ultamami free English lessons hey LOL

    • @Ryder845
      @Ryder845 2 роки тому

      May Lord Satan deliver you from your closeminded ideology. Hail Satan!

    • @AndrewSanchezOfficial
      @AndrewSanchezOfficial Місяць тому

      Jesus is the way, the truth, the life.

  • @kcal4525
    @kcal4525 3 роки тому +105

    People with no talent making money off the talented. HA

    • @MrSPIDEY21
      @MrSPIDEY21 3 роки тому +9

      Talent that doesn’t have the means or the machine to push their music in an supply and demand world complain that people who hire thrum controls them…well how about they do it on their own then?? OOOPPPS forgot…they wouldn’t have blown up without the “people with no talent”

    • @scopemaverick8733
      @scopemaverick8733 3 роки тому +10

      I used to feel this way, but hustling is a talent. Duping people is a talent, too. Not necessarily one that’s viewed well, but it’s a craft, nonetheless.

    • @MrMan-fx3ow
      @MrMan-fx3ow 3 роки тому +9

      People with money making money off people with no money 👍🏾

    • @coachkeith643
      @coachkeith643 3 роки тому +6

      Think about it...
      An artist is into the art
      An artist wants to make art, share it with the world, and make enough to provide and have fun doing it.
      The music industry isn't invested in art or the artist. The MI wants to squeeze every drop they can get out of the artist for the sole purpose of making money.
      How does that leave the artist and their art in the end?
      The MI will pump you and your music so much that you'll become a fad that everyone will get tired of, and the grinding process will destroy your spirit, your love for the art, and your relationships.

    • @coachkeith643
      @coachkeith643 3 роки тому +2

      @@MrSPIDEY21 A woman who marries a wealthy man can experience abuse even though she has materials and sustenance.
      Should she be grateful and be silent about her abuse?

  • @ItsMe_TheVoiceOfReason
    @ItsMe_TheVoiceOfReason 3 роки тому +74

    Epic part is Joe acting shocked.

    • @Vaga-Bard
      @Vaga-Bard 3 роки тому +5

      @@ron6927 signing a contract to take you past half your life.. 37+37=75
      He said for more than half your life, at 23 years old signing a 14 year long contract is indeed more than half..
      The latter is what he actually meant.. if he misspoke and meant the prior then it still makes sense. 🤷

    • @CrazyK1
      @CrazyK1 3 роки тому +5

      That look isn't shock, it's possibly the effects of the air freshener.

    • @andrewbradley3305
      @andrewbradley3305 2 роки тому +6

      I mean then don’t sign the contract lol. If you don’t like the way labels operate stop supporting them lol. How can we be mad they are just giving us what we want

  • @_RobBanks
    @_RobBanks 3 роки тому +1

    We need more artists like billy corgan and the pumpkins not only for the material, but to get the honesty and industry secrete.

  • @Loki1620
    @Loki1620 3 роки тому +7

    Bullet with Butterfly Wings was an incredible album as was Meloncholy and the Infinite Sadness

  • @MeneerHerculePoirot
    @MeneerHerculePoirot 3 роки тому +3

    Just find, read and memorize a long out of print book called Making It With Music by Kenny Rogers. Also, Leap Of The Small Time Frog. Out of print as well. Apply the principles of those 2 books and you'll be successful in the music business. That's what I did. I'm into my 35th year. "The music business can be boiled down to one word: leverage." - Kenny Rogers

  • @sterlingstoots3215
    @sterlingstoots3215 2 роки тому +5

    if he would tell the real truth they would tell what other sacrifices they have made literally. these two know they took the baphometic oath.

  • @davidzubek5035
    @davidzubek5035 2 роки тому +37

    „You sign a contract for half your life!“ - Joe Rogan, died at 28

    • @tobymacdonald5893
      @tobymacdonald5893 2 роки тому +6

      lmao yeah like what? joe rogan said over half your life and that’s not even close to half lmfao

    • @kingginger239
      @kingginger239 9 місяців тому +6

      He meant half of your life up to that point at age 23. 🤦‍♂️

    • @BanishedFromAllTruth
      @BanishedFromAllTruth 9 місяців тому +1

      Im laughing so much at this comment 😅

    • @Reggieeeeeeee322
      @Reggieeeeeeee322 6 місяців тому +1

      I think he meant that when the contract is over , at age 37, essentially half your life is over

    • @1savannahlegend247
      @1savannahlegend247 6 місяців тому +1

      If you're 23 then half of your life so far was 11 and a half years, going forward committing 14 more years means more than half of what you already lived

  • @UB.S
    @UB.S 8 місяців тому +2

    I love how artists complain about labels but they stick to them. If they're so bad why the f do you sign? I'm an artist who would love to be signed and never had the opportunity, it's so gross to work at a minimum wage job dreaming of making music and seeing millionaires complaining about the industry.

    • @naturestone3148
      @naturestone3148 6 місяців тому

      Its a very complicated topic but yes: You are right...but it is also very hard to be on top and stay on top. You have to consider that. He worked hard for what he made. Thats what i mean.

  • @venmss1
    @venmss1 2 місяці тому +2

    Ahh shit Dorian I haven’t seen this channel in years I’m glad this popped up in my feed again

  • @paulanderson4917
    @paulanderson4917 3 роки тому +7

    Billy is a living legend

  • @real_abiola
    @real_abiola 3 роки тому +48

    Now that I’ve herd this again it’s beginning to sound like any other corporate job, except you get aid a lot more. 🤷🏿‍♀️

    • @mikolowiskamikolowiska4993
      @mikolowiskamikolowiska4993 3 роки тому

      Aid?

    • @SL-pg4dh
      @SL-pg4dh 3 роки тому +3

      @@mikolowiskamikolowiska4993 *paid. The artist gets paid a lot more than average person

    • @mrali215
      @mrali215 3 роки тому +2

      Except the pay is more like a loan. A loan you have to pay back from your small % of the revenue generated.

    • @vivek98927
      @vivek98927 3 роки тому +3

      @@SL-pg4dh that is a weird comparison to make. I know so many talented broke artists. Average person in the corporate world doesn't equal to the average artist. Only the ones that go mainstream make a buck that too while they last. Corporates atleast give benefits and money for donkey work and they do climb the money ladder.

    • @SL-pg4dh
      @SL-pg4dh 2 роки тому

      @JAY CHROM3 You people are really like children.

  • @josephkoppie2000
    @josephkoppie2000 3 роки тому +19

    Every artist I ever met beg for a major lab to sign them. First of all every artist has a lawyer representing them and goes over every point.
    Then at some point they get mad they signed it.
    DON'T SIGN IT.

    • @Sveltdre
      @Sveltdre 3 роки тому +3

      Not all Artists have lawyers representing them, and an artist would be lucky if every point was covered.
      Where do you get your false information?

    • @josephkoppie2000
      @josephkoppie2000 3 роки тому +2

      @@Sveltdre Any reputable Record company would insist you have a lawyer. If you have a lawyer and he doesn't go over every point I don't believe it's the labels fault. Where do you get your information?

    • @MrMcslammer1
      @MrMcslammer1 2 роки тому +3

      Not signing is infinitely easier today than 20 years ago. The internet has allowed artists so many tools to become self made, and you see it almost more often than not. Labels are a dying architecture. Just like legacy media is clawing, scraping and screaming to maintain relevancy

    • @mauriojohnson4887
      @mauriojohnson4887 Рік тому +3

      These are Entertainment lawyers. They don't have your best interest either. They also work alongside these demons....... they mean no one any good.

    • @josephkoppie2000
      @josephkoppie2000 Рік тому

      @Maurio Johnson I know they are entertainment lawyers. I worked with them for 30 years, and you're right some are scum but there are many good ones

  • @m0kxha8pey
    @m0kxha8pey Рік тому +1

    Thank you Billy for exposing this.

  • @danielnelson6903
    @danielnelson6903 11 місяців тому +1

    You sign that deal and they own you. Never looked at it from this side

  • @Elross_
    @Elross_ 2 роки тому +6

    Bro said more than half your life when he heard 14 yrs🤣

  • @larrymyers5989
    @larrymyers5989 3 роки тому +12

    I’m glad ”he” said it…because if ‘we’ just said it. Most of “y’all” wouldn’t believe it.

  • @deathstroke334
    @deathstroke334 3 роки тому +19

    Jay-Z did this best. He signed himself and took the genre by storm

    • @INSYA
      @INSYA 3 роки тому +1

      Cause he was so popular. He knew he could climb by himself

  • @khrashingphantom9632
    @khrashingphantom9632 2 роки тому

    THIS is why I always enjoyed Bill Burr so much. His insight into the industry is unparalleled. ROFL. But seriously this interview was amazing, Corgan was ahead of the curve in a lot ways, but I can't imagine being as young as he was (or any member of that band tbh) and dealing with decisions like this.

  • @andyburnside544
    @andyburnside544 3 роки тому +1

    Any time Corgan talks… I listen. He is full of good advice.

  • @Gkknoon
    @Gkknoon 3 роки тому +12

    “Today” is that work shout out guitar hero for putting me on 😂

  • @nikicarrie4071
    @nikicarrie4071 3 роки тому +5

    We need more people talking about this ❤️ thank you

  • @prodbyd3z
    @prodbyd3z 3 роки тому +9

    I thought this was Bill Burr for a minute.

    • @PokrPro21
      @PokrPro21 5 місяців тому

      Me too. I was confused AF and then said "oh, him." LOL

  • @kagenotatsumaki
    @kagenotatsumaki 3 місяці тому +2

    Imagine trying to tell Billy fucking Corgan that the public will forget about him lmao

  • @JxRxLx4441
    @JxRxLx4441 3 роки тому +1

    Take notes kids. Right now it’s as easy as it get to become your own label. Forget the big companies do it yourself. No contracts and no heartache of being a slave under mind control. It’s not that hard to manage yourself or to find a reliable loyal manager. And everyone has a recording studio in their pockets. We don’t need the corporate music industry.

    • @pepthelad
      @pepthelad Рік тому +3

      The only thing you forgot is that you’re competing with big labels that have big marketing budgets. Marketing is equally if bot more important to break through the noise. It’s a business at the end of the day, and if you think uploading from your little distrokid account is enough you’re wrong

    • @JoeBaermann
      @JoeBaermann 5 місяців тому

      Not only that, it’s also about having a worldwide network of people to make some noise.
      To get succes on your own requires either something extremely unique or pure luck, that there is much more music released by people each day doesn’t make it easier to be “discovered” either.
      Recently saw an interview with Steve Vai talking about his first album, I think two thing did help him doing it how he did, firstly he had been playing with some big names, secondly his song where very unique at that time.

  • @TheBrob1983
    @TheBrob1983 3 роки тому +32

    I tell everyone.go the daft punk route.

    • @cynthiaschmidt9420
      @cynthiaschmidt9420 3 роки тому +5

      Love Daft Punk, but what exactly did they do? Were they independent?

    • @rzwitdauncut
      @rzwitdauncut 3 роки тому

      @@cynthiaschmidt9420 i was hopping he would respond to. i was curious about it

    • @TheBrob1983
      @TheBrob1983 3 роки тому +14

      @@cynthiaschmidt9420 they owned their music outright and every album was shopped to the labels and they could only sell it for a certain amount of time.they kept everything

    • @TheBrob1983
      @TheBrob1983 3 роки тому +9

      @@cynthiaschmidt9420 watch daft punk unchained itll bring you up to speed on how they dealt with deals and labels.all their docs and movies are great too.good watch

    • @shepard-commander9523
      @shepard-commander9523 3 роки тому +7

      @@TheBrob1983 but that's an extremely hard thing to accomplish, you can count how many artists have been successful going that route without using your other hand. ICP is another example of an artist getting extremely lucky to have success independently, they signed with a small label that quickly got bought out by another label who gave them a small advance for one album, said label renegotiated their contact for more albums and gave them an advance to reflect the change in contract, that same label was bought by one that was owned by Disney who did not want clown faced rappers who rapped about torturing sinners and were more about concept albums then producing singles so they quickly bought out ICPs contract. In one year they were under 3 different labels and after all the advances they received and the payment to terminate their contract they earned 1.5 million. They used that 1.5 mil to create their own label Psychopathic records and two decades and almost a dozen albums (2 platinum and several gold) later they're one of the most successful independent artists of all time

  • @jeremyknifley
    @jeremyknifley 3 роки тому +11

    No matter what anyone thinks about Billy Corgan; he tells it how it is!

  • @ezrafree619
    @ezrafree619 3 роки тому +14

    I wrote a contract for the record label I wanted to firm when I was like 15. I remember showing it to my therapist because I was so happy that I had accomplished this. The thing was on par with the big dogs and I did it all from research. I still have it, truly a work of art. But it is true, that thing tied you up 😂. I was nice however, in allowing for shorter terms. Still-everything I funded, I owned. Pretty much, you worked hard and I made most the money.

  • @PriceLomonte
    @PriceLomonte 4 місяці тому +1

    This is why artists need to be independent especially people know the industry is very satanic always do ads , paid organic marketing, content creation, merch , live shows , and the problem is alot of artists don't know how to market themselves today alot of em do but alot of em don't

    • @nunyabidnazz2311
      @nunyabidnazz2311 3 місяці тому +1

      Well said! Look at Tom McDonald. My Grandson played me “the system,” and I’ve supported him since. He actually exposes the satanic industry. I’m so excited to find you, Prince! I’m gone head over and check out your music right now.

  • @casualfoodenjoyer7951
    @casualfoodenjoyer7951 3 роки тому +5

    this is exactly why im learning how to produce my own beats so i can be my own label

    • @teotvrdeic8260
      @teotvrdeic8260 3 роки тому

      Dude, get a grip

    • @casualfoodenjoyer7951
      @casualfoodenjoyer7951 3 роки тому +6

      @@teotvrdeic8260 grip these nuts

    • @adangamez3608
      @adangamez3608 3 роки тому +4

      @@casualfoodenjoyer7951 LMAO

    • @casualfoodenjoyer7951
      @casualfoodenjoyer7951 3 роки тому +1

      @@adangamez3608 got him crying fr

    • @teotvrdeic8260
      @teotvrdeic8260 3 роки тому

      @@casualfoodenjoyer7951 making masic has nothing to do with publishing. I understand your desire to publish your own music but thats completly another thing. What daw do you use? What kind of music would you like to make?

  • @wonkabang5060
    @wonkabang5060 3 роки тому +5

    Smashing pumpkins is one of the best groups to form. Next to my chemical romance and HIM.

    • @wonkabang5060
      @wonkabang5060 3 роки тому

      @The Insult Pigeon Shit, insult pigeon on the job haha. Do ya thing Fly boy.

  • @Travishenderson100
    @Travishenderson100 3 роки тому +5

    You see alot of music artists today are going independent

    • @ericthomas9804
      @ericthomas9804 3 роки тому

      But most don't last long

    • @INSYA
      @INSYA 3 роки тому

      @@ericthomas9804 sadly

  • @zephyrkhambatta
    @zephyrkhambatta Рік тому

    Thank god things are independent now. No one can really stop us.

  • @SirS2pendous
    @SirS2pendous 3 роки тому

    As a Nashville native, this is common knowledge in the music industry. They’ll try to attract you by saying “we’ll pay for multiple albums.” But in reality, you’re stuck with them until you fulfill the contract, no matter how your career goes. It’s the reason some artists release “Greatest Hits” albums, so they can fulfill a contract and change labels to get a better deal. You have to remember, it’s a business. It’s not just the artist, but the team promoting them that also has to make money. Artists make little in streams vs what they make touring.

  • @Might.B.Housey_
    @Might.B.Housey_ 3 роки тому +5

    If you join a union you’re expected to work 30 years. That’ll take you to retirement. We’re all indentured servants dude

  • @lillegend_4835
    @lillegend_4835 3 роки тому +4

    Fun fact...Billy Corgan owns NWA wrestling

  • @jg310hoe
    @jg310hoe 3 роки тому +21

    Lol this is every company at every job 🤣

    • @thesage90
      @thesage90 3 роки тому +13

      Nah you can leave a job you can't just leave a label your sign to

    • @marccercone8981
      @marccercone8981 3 роки тому

      Right bro, it's all the same with different degrees. Some people can't leave their job self made, some people can. jG310HOE just trying to explain this happens with companies too. Corruption? Bad people? Scummy pressure tactics? Not entirely sure...maybe all of the above..

    • @theartistbonez1930
      @theartistbonez1930 3 роки тому +1

      Yep while you are there you should learn how they do things so you can do it for yourself. This guy blames being 23 and not being wise enough to know better. He signed to get exposure the people he is contracted for are not in it to lose money that would be stupid.

    • @theartistbonez1930
      @theartistbonez1930 3 роки тому

      @@thesage90 yes you can

    • @INSYA
      @INSYA 3 роки тому +3

      @@thesage90 you can but its not like saying you quit they signing a paper. You get so much from a label and if you wanna leave you gotta give it back and sometimes its that plus some. Its just better to find a good deal than to take the first offer

  • @BIGSAM-O-A
    @BIGSAM-O-A 2 роки тому +1

    The whole interview with Billy is brilliant

  • @jakesnake6842
    @jakesnake6842 Рік тому +1

    Makes sense why artists don’t drop music they should be dropping. The labels get in their minds “you’re going to fall off let me take over” then they drop some weird ahh music cause the labels really know nothing and they’ll maximize the most profit out of someone they “think” is falling off but in reality they never were

  • @JAYFULFILMZ
    @JAYFULFILMZ 9 місяців тому +1

    Here’s the thing… Record labels can make anybody famous! The difference between your favorite artist & the local artist you walk right past performing at your local fair is the money & record company behind them! So with that being said, record companies back in the day before streaming used to have to spend millions developing an artist, millions on studio time, producers, writers, engineers etc. then on top of that spend millions on distribution & marketing your album! By the time your album drops they are already $10 Million in the hole! Then they pay for your wardrobe, Tour bus, travel fees, hotels, dancers, security, food etc & say you sell 3 million units, cd’s were roughly $14.99 back then so that’s $45 Million revenue minus 30% retail fee bringing them to $31.5 Million then minus the original $10 million principal they spent to get the record out there which brings them to $21.5 million, then 21% to 37% in taxes but we’ll say 21% for now… that brings them to $16,985,000, then let’s not forget they probably signed the artist for millions of dollars up front & if your running a business you want a nice return! This is why the money gets funny after the sales come in. They’re like “I invested $10 million into this album so why shouldn’t I take 90% of the profits!” It’s not all that unfair as we think & that’s assuming you sell millions, most artists don’t! What if you only sell 1 million or worst go gold & sell maybe 600,000 units! You’d want 90% too! Then you got some entitled artist that would still be on the streets had you not helped them demanding you pay them millions for investing nothing but their voice! Most of these artists are lazy & want something for nothing! This guy is worth $60 million complaining because he wants more for investing nothing into himself!

  • @fieryeurochick3194
    @fieryeurochick3194 3 роки тому +14

    Well if you’re worth $60M, doesn’t seem like there’s a whole lot of wiggle room to complain.

    • @90745
      @90745 3 роки тому +3

      That was from ALOT of hard work on the road on touring

    • @albusai
      @albusai 3 роки тому +3

      @@90745 i worked stacking cell towers, 80 hours a week , never made a million, some towers were 1500 feet high

    • @Sveltdre
      @Sveltdre 3 роки тому +1

      Pay attention! He doesn’t get that $60m. And the pressure to return on profit is nearly impossible, with the system he signed up with.

    • @Sveltdre
      @Sveltdre 3 роки тому

      @@albusai 80 hours /week? How long did you do that? Not too long; I can imagine.

    • @albusai
      @albusai 3 роки тому +2

      @@Sveltdre 10 years

  • @NkechiR
    @NkechiR 3 роки тому +15

    This is literally what it means to sell your soul to the devil. You will do whatever they tell you as long as it makes them money.

    • @ToniTruth88
      @ToniTruth88 2 роки тому +1

      Sounds like the average 9-5

  • @perezm714
    @perezm714 3 роки тому +3

    Satan was the highest of angels and led God's choir before he was cast out of heaven for wanting to be above God. Satan's craft is to take people through music.

    • @hotties3v3n
      @hotties3v3n 3 роки тому

      @Alice Kae Shut up.

    • @JackTheripper911
      @JackTheripper911 3 роки тому

      Congratulations nobody cares, all Hail satan

    • @naturestone3148
      @naturestone3148 6 місяців тому +2

      Thats not entirely true...
      Elvis Presley for instance was not a Satanist and he took over the Music-Industry in 18months, became and still is the best selling male Artist in Pop/Rock-History and stayed a true Christian until he sadly died with 42. In the last Years he even preached the Gospel at his Concerts and also a lot of times when he was working on a Movie in the Sixties. Not every popular Musician is or becomes a Satanist. You imply that Music in general is EVIL and that`s simply not true.
      Music is also part of the Language of God. He speaks through people by Artists that love God.

  • @missbiancaleigh100
    @missbiancaleigh100 7 місяців тому

    According to a record producer I know, many labels pool all their resources for a new act's first album or two, then back off and watch the act 'sink or swim'. They don't care, really, because newness is their bread and butter. If an act can sustain, great. If they can't, there's a new up and coming artist waiting in the wings.

  • @3thirrttyy
    @3thirrttyy Рік тому +2

    bro that ain’t no secret some people are built for it some aren’t

  • @actualsnow345
    @actualsnow345 2 роки тому +4

    Kanye is right

  • @drulamane
    @drulamane 2 роки тому +3

    I farted right when that lil blue thing popped up at the top of the screen like “bloop”

  • @carlinleneker-frisch976
    @carlinleneker-frisch976 3 роки тому

    I grew up aspiring to be a musician in a band. Hope to make it big one day. The older i get and learned more about this industry, im thankful i never got into it.

  • @caseyyoung32
    @caseyyoung32 2 роки тому +1

    Pumpkins...
    One of the absolute best concerts that I've even seen.
    Pensacola Florida
    Still love them today

  • @thomaspayne6866
    @thomaspayne6866 3 роки тому +5

    “More than half your life”. lol
    Come on Joe

    • @dab0331
      @dab0331 3 роки тому

      At 23 it IS more than half your life that you lived until then.

  • @dagnabbit6187
    @dagnabbit6187 Рік тому +1

    Well Beatles almost went broke but let us discuss the Beatles rivals The Rolling Stones . Bassist Bill Wyman said ‘ People always ask , Bill why haven’t you bought a Rolls yet . I respond “ I have never been able to afford one . We never saw any real money come in until we got rid of Allen Klein . “‘

  • @cho7707
    @cho7707 5 місяців тому +1

    Prince spoke about it years back.

  • @edwardblodgett605
    @edwardblodgett605 3 роки тому +1

    Thought it was Bill Burr, then I put on my glasses and turned up the volume on my phone. Lol

  • @Eddierath
    @Eddierath Рік тому

    To be prominent in music and have longevity you have to love the "GAME" more than the actual creation of music.
    Whether it's bots, or paid ads or streaming farms, they are all good tools and shorten the path but at the end of the day if you pay to promote garbage the publications and the people will let it be known.
    BUT YOU HAVE TO LOVE THE GAME

  • @NidgeDFX
    @NidgeDFX 3 роки тому +1

    Billy Corgan lived in apartment when I met him. Went trick or treating back in the 90s and yeah

  • @truckingandtraveling
    @truckingandtraveling 3 роки тому +1

    Never heard of this person. 🤷🏾‍♂️ but I believe him. If you're not independent, you're not doing it right. Look at what Strange Music and Nipsey Hustle did. It can be done without then.

  • @Burglecutter
    @Burglecutter 5 місяців тому

    This guy is one of the most talented musicians ever. He wrote all of the Smashing Pumpkins music. They have some incredible songs.

  • @xderen_xd
    @xderen_xd Рік тому

    Jah bless, as a producer that's why I prefer the long, hard and patience road of being independent for example Freddie Gibbs or Russ or pharrel

  • @pootthatbak2578
    @pootthatbak2578 3 роки тому

    This applies to everyone. Contracts exist in 1000s of forms. Buying a house, car, subscribing to websites, your job, your college, joining the military, credit cards, loans, getting medical help, downloading stuff, terms of social media, on an on.
    If you want stuff, its more than likely you must first agree to someone elses pre- determined terms and sign, nod, agree, consent, say yes, shake hands or hug and kiss..being 23 is old enuf..yea he was a great artist..but dumb as a rock..like most of us. Dont be greedy, dont follow the carrot on a stick. The less debt you incur..the less beholding you are to others. Debt strangles you, holds you back

  • @hsmfan071
    @hsmfan071 3 роки тому +1

    This is why some artists don’t get signed with a record deal and stay independent. The music industry has always been about making money because it’s a business. I would think getting a record deal would help an artist to become more famous and to make a lot of money.

    • @darylingoteborg3178
      @darylingoteborg3178 3 роки тому

      These days you can do it all on UA-cam without a label like Harry Mack, Tom macdonald, and a bunch others.

    • @hsmfan071
      @hsmfan071 3 роки тому

      @@darylingoteborg3178 True but if you want to sell a lot of albums you a record label can help a lot with that. There’s only so much promoting of your own music that you can do on your own.

    • @darylingoteborg3178
      @darylingoteborg3178 3 роки тому

      @@hsmfan071 true it gives you a massive boost but if you can establish a significant enough following in your own then you can own 100% of your work.
      Improv artists like Marc Rebillet and Harry Mack produce hours of new music every week and make surprisingly good money for something they’d do free anyway and even if no one listened to them.
      At least there’s more options these days than 20 year contracts of indentured servitude