Screws lose is the least of issues a gun can have. Most people would take off screws and locktite when they took out of box. I watched 50 videos on this gun and this was first mention. Thanks for update.
Thats what happens when folks dont invest in torque screwdriver and maybe locktite u usually do research when entering something new (red dots and mounting) Ud kno torque and locktite is key definitely torque
@@gtacticsprotectionliterally had to buy a drill bit and screw extractor to remove the MOS plate from my Hellcat thanks to threadlock applied at factory; torx head screw rounded off with factory supplied wrench.
@DavidJones-hr9bn wow damn that really sucks. This is the 2nd time I heard of that. I'm surprised geeze. Sorry you had to deal with all that. Springfield needs to find a happy median for this. However the issue you had is even worse to me. I'd be pissed
In my opinion... I believe it was those atomic rounds your buddy loads for you that backed out those optic plate screws. I think it's important to double check the screws, pins, all moving parts on any gun before a range day. Never assume all is right in pew pew land. Great review and thanks for the unbiased opinion.
That's true but for something like this advertised as duty I wanted to just let it run out the box. But thank you I definitely appreciate it. I will definitely post updates with the optic on
Mine did the same thing after about 200 rounds, I never tightened the screws or put Loctite on them. RMR is installed now and ive shot another 500 rnds (with Loctite) and its still just as solid as when i first put it on. For anyone who buys the gun and doesn't intend to install an optic put some Loctite on before range day.
Thanks for the video. You are the 2nd or 3rd UA-camr that has bring this shortcoming of the provided screws and cover plate. Has not being worse since most reviews either used the review sample that included a red dot, or install one right away.
Could be worse… the gun could discharge with your finger off the trigger like the p320. This gun will be the new king assuming all 100 people who did videos are not shills. P320 is a POS and unsafe. Even if safe, it is horrible. I proudly own glock, Cz, S&W, canik, sig etc. echelon will be next!
The optics cover plates on Springfields don’t come torqued down in my experience because they use to be in so tight you have to get a soldering iron and heat the screws to remove them, and most people want to put an optic on right out the box. A lot of customers would strip the screws attempting to remove the plates. I understand the disappointment tho if you just want to shoot it without inspecting or planing on add an optic. When I took my prodigy out the box the optic was mounted but not secure because the battery wasn’t installed. I didn’t know that at the time I just to the gun out locked the slide to the rear and the optic and plate fell off, but after further inspection I knew why. I shot the Echelon at the Springfield event and saw a few thousand rounds go the one with no stoppages or malfunctions.
I am having that problem with my hellcat pro one screw came out easy and the other one was in to tight it was going to get stripped so I stopped.
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I’ve been very interested in the Echelon, I’m considering buying one. I like it that you bought your own. Makes me feel I can trust the review more. Interestingly, I’ve only had one gun that the slide cover flew off of and that was the Springfield Hellcat. I lost a screw, so I contacted Springfield and they sent me two new screws. I blue loctited them and have not had any more problems.
This is actually a croatian made handgun. It's intended to replace HS2000 in Croatian army and police force. Not sure how much Springfield has to do with design. Hellion rifle is basically VHS 2 rifle with different pistol grip and handguard.
Great review! I totally agree that a locktite oversight is NOT a reason to give this gun a thumbs down. I own one and after about a thousand rounds no issues!
X-ray alpha on UA-cam and Instagram believes in pulling straight through the trigger, rather than finding the wall. It's a valid technique, and with a good enough grip, trigger quality doesn't matter that much for handguns.
I prefer that they don't locktite the screws from the factory considering most people are going to put an optic on anyway. Should they let customers know, yes.
I put over 1k with my echelon with holosun 507 comp green dot it has ran flawlessly. I just put in a heavier spring guide and it helps with the recoil.
That is exactly what I do with my remove the screws clean the holes and put lo Lock in the screws ,I Shoot three hundred and fifty rounds and everything was perfect. Fifteen pounds for the screws.... I completely sure those places come loose intentionally, Just thinking that people going put a red dot immediately.
I just put red dot on my recently purchased Echelon. Took off the plate, and no loctite on those little screws. I put on the Viridian RFX35 with the longer screws that came with the gun. Put some blue lactate on the screws and used torque screwdriver set to 14 lbs.
Great review. I’ve run about 500 rounds through mine and like it a lot. I have medium hands and am still getting used to the slide release. Going to try the smaller back-strap next. Sending my best from Salt Lake City.
The pins are fit so tight they have literally no wiggle room whatsoever, they're pretty difficult just to line up and get in the holes, they won't be moving at all.
screws are not loctited on plate. Usually 90% of the people install optics. many also use crappy bits and will strip out the screws if loctite is used.
Thank you I definitely appreciate it. And I'm going to keep pushing back against them. We need the education and knowledge put out there and people to exercise their rights.
Slide release size doesn't matter one bit if you slingshot it... Doesn't matter if it doesn't even have one like a Beretta Pico or some others. Works 100% of the time.
@@TalkingHands308 I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Just because not all guns are designed with optimal controls, doesn't change what is most optimal. How often do you see guns without slide releases used by top level competitors? How about top level military organizations?
@@KeterMalkuth I couldn't care less about competitions. I'm talking about using methods that are universal so that if you're ever in a situation where the only thing you can use is someone else's gun, it'll still work exactly the same with the same muscle memory you have. And switching from one gun to the other won't have any difference to the manual of arms. And what also works consistently while wearing gloves. I've seen so many people fumble with the slide release lever while wearing gloves. Hopefully that doesn't happen when your life is on the line. But anyway, you do you my friend. 👍
Think they prob think you'll put optic or your gonna loctite it ..id be ok doing that myself ..cause I don't wanna mess with them locked in if I'm going to toss a optic on
When you take a gun out of the box and don’t disassemble it, clean it and check it out, you can expect this. Instead of trying to induce failures, why don’t you ensure success? When you take it to the range without going over it first, you accept responsibility for its failures. Police departments have an armory that cleans their duty guns before issuing them. If you think cops don’t clean their guns, you are crazy. You’re crazy anyway. You got me laughing at you early in the morning. Thanks for the funny video. 😂
Good video…so I will say I went to a couple of launches for this gun Bro…all of them had the issue with the plate…It has happened on every firearm we shot…I feel like Locktite will suffice but never needed it for a plate cover…Range even had a fake SRO and that shit was flying off too…LMAO
Hoping we see some other caliber options before long. I don't really like the P320, and Beretta has REALLY dropped the ball on the APX (A1 line doesn't even offer .40 S&W, and I STILL can't find a single A0 in .40 S&W anywhere, just magazines)
@@gtacticsprotection north & south carolina. No big name companies have any. I found some 17 round mags but no one has any 20 round. I been on Google for 2 days now looking
I know what convinced my wife was a video where the guy posed as a UPS delivery guy and as soon as she cracked the door 4 other guys busted through the door and all you could hear were her and her kids screaming while being cursed at and at gun point. Her basic firearms training is on the 25th of this month, and we're going to a gun show tomorrow after I get off work.
@@mongop177 …LMAO…ooohhhh shit man good luck with that one..the gift size never balances out with women…her getting the Springfield will be equivalent of you getting her a Honda..
Sorry mate Berreta doesnt make the AXG, thats a Sig. However the screw issue sounds like a new shooter issue. If it is a screw you loctite it. This is basic firearm ownership 101, just like lubing the weapon because it is mechanical. Sorry, this is a non-issue.
Thank you Brother for this review. All of the "Sponsored: Tubers gave it "upper Echelon" reviews like Jesus shat it out...... I mean, I dont doubt that it's a great platform (Sig/Glock Inspired) but sheeeeeeesh. Can we get some honest reviews. I might still pick one up just because. Thanks again for sharing.
Wassup homie…this gun is dope but because it’s a mix of the shit we already shooting it doesn’t excite me…I bought one for resell the hype dudes down tremendously it hasn’t sold yet…lmao it’s definitely sig320 meshed with Glock 17…seems like the first batch kinda on the rushed side to be continued….
It's amusing to me that people are still surprised when the cheap junk that Springfield sells breaks. I would never, repeat never trust the life of my family or myself to any product by this company. Buy cheap...Get cheap.
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Screws lose is the least of issues a gun can have. Most people would take off screws and locktite when they took out of box. I watched 50 videos on this gun and this was first mention. Thanks for update.
No, most people would not do that. Just because you realize it's a good idea does not mean many people would even consider it.
Thats what happens when folks dont invest in torque screwdriver and maybe locktite u usually do research when entering something new (red dots and mounting) Ud kno torque and locktite is key definitely torque
Always need locktite but when haven't attached a optic yet and straight from the factory this shouldn't happen. Not everyone uses optics.
@@gtacticsprotectionliterally had to buy a drill bit and screw extractor to remove the MOS plate from my Hellcat thanks to threadlock applied at factory; torx head screw rounded off with factory supplied wrench.
@DavidJones-hr9bn wow damn that really sucks. This is the 2nd time I heard of that. I'm surprised geeze. Sorry you had to deal with all that. Springfield needs to find a happy median for this. However the issue you had is even worse to me. I'd be pissed
In my opinion... I believe it was those atomic rounds your buddy loads for you that backed out those optic plate screws. I think it's important to double check the screws, pins, all moving parts on any gun before a range day. Never assume all is right in pew pew land. Great review and thanks for the unbiased opinion.
That's true but for something like this advertised as duty I wanted to just let it run out the box. But thank you I definitely appreciate it. I will definitely post updates with the optic on
Mine did the same thing after about 200 rounds, I never tightened the screws or put Loctite on them. RMR is installed now and ive shot another 500 rnds (with Loctite) and its still just as solid as when i first put it on.
For anyone who buys the gun and doesn't intend to install an optic put some Loctite on before range day.
Thanks for the video. You are the 2nd or 3rd UA-camr that has bring this shortcoming of the provided screws and cover plate. Has not being worse since most reviews either used the review sample that included a red dot, or install one right away.
Could be worse… the gun could discharge with your finger off the trigger like the p320. This gun will be the new king assuming all 100 people who did videos are not shills. P320 is a POS and unsafe. Even if safe, it is horrible. I proudly own glock, Cz, S&W, canik, sig etc. echelon will be next!
The optics cover plates on Springfields don’t come torqued down in my experience because they use to be in so tight you have to get a soldering iron and heat the screws to remove them, and most people want to put an optic on right out the box. A lot of customers would strip the screws attempting to remove the plates. I understand the disappointment tho if you just want to shoot it without inspecting or planing on add an optic. When I took my prodigy out the box the optic was mounted but not secure because the battery wasn’t installed. I didn’t know that at the time I just to the gun out locked the slide to the rear and the optic and plate fell off, but after further inspection I knew why. I shot the Echelon at the Springfield event and saw a few thousand rounds go the one with no stoppages or malfunctions.
I am having that problem with my hellcat pro one screw came out easy and the other one was in to tight it was going to get stripped so I stopped.
I’ve been very interested in the Echelon, I’m considering buying one. I like it that you bought your own. Makes me feel I can trust the review more. Interestingly, I’ve only had one gun that the slide cover flew off of and that was the Springfield Hellcat. I lost a screw, so I contacted Springfield and they sent me two new screws. I blue loctited them and have not had any more problems.
Yea the gun is great no other issues and it's good. I put the orange loctite on it with the optic and no real issues.
This is actually a croatian made handgun.
It's intended to replace HS2000 in Croatian army and police force.
Not sure how much Springfield has to do with design.
Hellion rifle is basically VHS 2 rifle with different pistol grip and handguard.
Great video. Can’t wait until this model is on the roster and I’m able to purchase it.
I guess some loktite on those screws the moment you take one of these home won't be a bad idea, lol.
Thanks for the review, I looking forward to picking one up after watching your badass shooting buddy.👍
Thanks. It's definitely worth having
For it being plastic tho it does have a sold feel still to it better feeling then most other plastic guns !
That's true. I'm really liking it. The updated video is coming
Cool I plan to be popping in for future videos now !
@derictripp9245 definitely appreciate it. Got a few videos I think everyone will like.
I had a lil trouble getting the subscribe button ! Don't know why but looks to finally have worked !
@@derictripp9245 definitely appreciate it 🙏. Thank you
Great review! I totally agree that a locktite oversight is NOT a reason to give this gun a thumbs down. I own one and after about a thousand rounds no issues!
Yea this gun is great
X-ray alpha on UA-cam and Instagram believes in pulling straight through the trigger, rather than finding the wall. It's a valid technique, and with a good enough grip, trigger quality doesn't matter that much for handguns.
That's true that's why I don't worry about the wall. I may have not stated it clear but the wall means nothing. But the trigger is cool.
I prefer that they don't locktite the screws from the factory considering most people are going to put an optic on anyway. Should they let customers know, yes.
The optic plates have been flying off because the screws are short.
Well I'm definitely going to be testing it alot more. I just put a holosun on it. And will be running the hell out of it
I put over 1k with my echelon with holosun 507 comp green dot it has ran flawlessly. I just put in a heavier spring guide and it helps with the recoil.
That is exactly what I do with my remove the screws clean the holes and put lo Lock in the screws ,I Shoot three hundred and fifty rounds and everything was perfect. Fifteen pounds for the screws.... I completely sure those places come loose intentionally, Just thinking that people going put a red dot immediately.
Very true. I believe that's their thoughts. But not e every one is a red dot fan though
I just put red dot on my recently purchased Echelon. Took off the plate, and no loctite on those little screws. I put on the Viridian RFX35 with the longer screws that came with the gun. Put some blue lactate on the screws and used torque screwdriver set to 14 lbs.
Great review. I’ve run about 500 rounds through mine and like it a lot. I have medium hands and am still getting used to the slide release. Going to try the smaller back-strap next. Sending my best from Salt Lake City.
Thanks I really appreciate it. The medium backstrap works great even for slightly bigger hands. I think you will like it
Springfield should ship the plate and screws not installed, but with the screws having blue loctite applied. Other manufacturers do. Good review!
Very true
Finally, somebody with common sense.
Springfield Armory is a Leader in the Industry
I think those new cam pins will also knock under heavy use and carry. We will see but that and the mag bases appear to be the weak links.
Yea but I'm definitely going to see. I'm doing a red dot class tomorrow with it.
The pins are fit so tight they have literally no wiggle room whatsoever, they're pretty difficult just to line up and get in the holes, they won't be moving at all.
screws are not loctited on plate. Usually 90% of the people install optics. many also use crappy bits and will strip out the screws if loctite is used.
Yea I'm putting a red dot on tonight
Just saw that pistol the other day, and said it would be a nice duty gun.
So far it's been holding up and feels great
I'm gonna need the vendor for that tShirt you rocking, lol
Great video
Lol thanks. My daughter's got it for me
The Gun of the year 2023
Yea
thanks for this videos.I had the same problem 600 rounds in
My brother I am so proud of you. To open a Gun shop in Baltimore Maryland where our Black politicians are ain't GUN and 2nd Amendment rights.
Thank you I definitely appreciate it. And I'm going to keep pushing back against them. We need the education and knowledge put out there and people to exercise their rights.
@@gtacticsprotection Definitely gained a sub cant wait to see more content
Modularity is the way. This could lead to Springfield getting a Military contract.🔥👍✌️
I have small hands and they work fine.
I have kind of big hands works for me and a few people with smaller hands haven't had issues
Slide release size doesn't matter one bit if you slingshot it... Doesn't matter if it doesn't even have one like a Beretta Pico or some others. Works 100% of the time.
That's not the most optimal way to release the slide. Works for some applications and purposes, but not others.
@@KeterMalkuth Go ahead and try using a slide release lever on guns that literally don't have external slide release levers, lol. Have fun.
@@TalkingHands308 I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Just because not all guns are designed with optimal controls, doesn't change what is most optimal. How often do you see guns without slide releases used by top level competitors? How about top level military organizations?
@@KeterMalkuth I couldn't care less about competitions. I'm talking about using methods that are universal so that if you're ever in a situation where the only thing you can use is someone else's gun, it'll still work exactly the same with the same muscle memory you have. And switching from one gun to the other won't have any difference to the manual of arms. And what also works consistently while wearing gloves. I've seen so many people fumble with the slide release lever while wearing gloves. Hopefully that doesn't happen when your life is on the line. But anyway, you do you my friend. 👍
I want to like the trigger but it snaps back at my trigger finger till its sore. Wish it had a smoother pull
That was a slight issue. But after we hit around 1000 rounds it got smoother with no issues .
@gtacticsprotection great i hope that goes away. No one makes an upgraded trigger yet that i can tell
@donnywillis130 no I haven't seen any yet. But the more you work it it gets way better
@donnywillis130 if you can grab some trigger butter and put it on it as well. I'll see if they are doing a sale
Think they prob think you'll put optic or your gonna loctite it ..id be ok doing that myself ..cause I don't wanna mess with them locked in if I'm going to toss a optic on
When you take a gun out of the box and don’t disassemble it, clean it and check it out, you can expect this. Instead of trying to induce failures, why don’t you ensure success? When you take it to the range without going over it first, you accept responsibility for its failures. Police departments have an armory that cleans their duty guns before issuing them. If you think cops don’t clean their guns, you are crazy. You’re crazy anyway. You got me laughing at you early in the morning. Thanks for the funny video. 😂
Lol o I know they do. But wasn't trying to induce failures in it. But been liking it since then. Lol I'm glad could make you laugh brother. 😃
@@gtacticsprotection I love your shop. If I’m ever in Baltimore, I’ll look you guys up and swing by. Best of luck to you and the channel.
@@SaltyBbqPiggy thank you. I definitely appreciate it. And hope we can meet one day.
Thanks for the video. Supporting my fellow content creators for the algorithm 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Thank you. Definitely appreciate it. And will do the same
My optic plate shot off after the first 200 rounds
Springfield should have made it for the hex dragon to fix on it
Great video buddy!👍
Where’s your gun store located?
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yes not having the lock tight on those screws i just bought this gun
Good video…so I will say I went to a couple of launches for this gun Bro…all of them had the issue with the plate…It has happened on every firearm we shot…I feel like Locktite will suffice but never needed it for a plate cover…Range even had a fake SRO and that shit was flying off too…LMAO
Lol yea i got some on it n its been holding up
This dude called my fingers fat..... Da fug
Lmmfao. No I didn't.
Hoping we see some other caliber options before long. I don't really like the P320, and Beretta has REALLY dropped the ball on the APX (A1 line doesn't even offer .40 S&W, and I STILL can't find a single A0 in .40 S&W anywhere, just magazines)
Yea that's true. Hoping for a 45acp
.40 is a dead caliber. As it should be
@@Mustardman420 spoken like a true NPC.
@@InvidiousIgnoramus nobody wants .40 it’s pointless just like the people still using them
@@Mustardman420 Everything you say is incorrect. Curious.
Are you kidding me , that’s your issue 😂😂😂 put lock tite on the screws
Can you get your hands on oracle 2011 for a review
I'm definitely going to try
Just picked this up today. Love how you keep it real bro. Hit that subscribe for ya.
Thank you. Definitely appreciate it.
Do you know where I can get some extra mags for it? Seems like everyone is on backorder.
@@scottdavis681 what area do you live in
@@gtacticsprotection north & south carolina. No big name companies have any. I found some 17 round mags but no one has any 20 round. I been on Google for 2 days now looking
@scottdavis681 send me a email I'll search and see what I can find for you
Did feel the gun felt good in hands
It does
Loctite is a must on that mfer😎
Where did you get the shirt bruh...need that...
My daughter's got it for me when they went on vacation
Well done. Now, I need advice on how to convince the wife.
Lol I can try to help with that
I know what convinced my wife was a video where the guy posed as a UPS delivery guy and as soon as she cracked the door 4 other guys busted through the door and all you could hear were her and her kids screaming while being cursed at and at gun point. Her basic firearms training is on the 25th of this month, and we're going to a gun show tomorrow after I get off work.
The advice is don’t tell her…use a card she don’t have access to…that will be $100 for the advice pal.
@@SHOOTERS_G.n.B he is trying to convince his wife to get a gun,not him buying a gun.
@@mongop177 …LMAO…ooohhhh shit man good luck with that one..the gift size never balances out with women…her getting the Springfield will be equivalent of you getting her a Honda..
Sorry mate Berreta doesnt make the AXG, thats a Sig. However the screw issue sounds like a new shooter issue. If it is a screw you loctite it. This is basic firearm ownership 101, just like lubing the weapon because it is mechanical. Sorry, this is a non-issue.
I put a red dot on it quick
I will never switch away from Glock. It looks like a Glock so I will call it. A Glock clone.
Most polymer guns have some reminisce of glock lol. But I don't disagree.
I've had A30s and a 19.
This blows both of them away
@@fredfried8786 I will agree. This gun is working to become my new duty weapon
Not enough shooting and to little noice!? 🤯
Ok. Will do more lol
It’s called Loc-Tite.
Thank you Brother for this review. All of the "Sponsored: Tubers gave it "upper Echelon" reviews like Jesus shat it out...... I mean, I dont doubt that it's a great platform (Sig/Glock Inspired) but sheeeeeeesh. Can we get some honest reviews. I might still pick one up just because. Thanks again for sharing.
Wassup homie…this gun is dope but because it’s a mix of the shit we already shooting it doesn’t excite me…I bought one for resell the hype dudes down tremendously it hasn’t sold yet…lmao it’s definitely sig320 meshed with Glock 17…seems like the first batch kinda on the rushed side to be continued….
loctite
Looks like a flat shooter.
Very flat. I still like it.
My bad oracle arms 2311
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It's amusing to me that people are still surprised when the cheap junk that Springfield sells breaks. I would never, repeat never trust the life of my family or myself to any product by this company. Buy cheap...Get cheap.
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