Alien: Lambert's Violation - Theory
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- Lambert's death scene in Alien has left many wondering what exactly the alien did to her, and if some kind of shocking violation took place. This video explores the theory and how it connects to the alien life cycle.
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“I never acted inappropriately towards Ms. Lambert.” -Xenomorph
*Bill Clinton voice*: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman!"
Ummm.. It's "Mx." Lambert...
"When you're a Xenomorph, they let you do it. You can do anything."
*The Jury is full of Yaujta*
Xenomorph: F-
Reading this Comment made me die 😭 💀 🤣
I had always assumed that the Alien killed Lambert in a suggestive way to fuel the overriding themes of the film, but that it's primary desire was not sexual in nature and that any violations that may have transpired were not "rape" as in a conscious act of sexual aggression, but simply an act of lethal brutality. The Xenomorph drone is never seen to sexually reproduce in any of its film appearances.
Jdh87 I often feel that the creature is more terrifying if we can’t comprehend the creatures, and that they adapt to their environment, even reproductively.
In that, in a situation against armed opponents, such as the colony on LV426, rapid reproduction was required to overwhelm the armed and potentially dangerous hosts.Thus a Queen was spawned, with extreme intelligence and a militaristic control over its hive.
The creature in alien was able to break down hosts with enzymes to create eggs.
It wouldn’t be a leap to assume that the alien could, like primordial insects, utilise some form of traumatic insemination to reproduce in some unobserved, and terrifying fashion. Perhaps using its tail to directly impregnate female hosts, stabbing them in the abdomen as ancient insects once did. And what would result? Another chestburster, or something else perhaps akin to the backbursters from the lacklustre alien covenant? Or is such how they initialise the eggmorphing process, injecting the aforementioned enzymes to begin breaking down the living host into an embryonic yolk to feed the growing larvae of the facehugger.
These unpredictable and unknowable, alien, methods of reproduction make for much more terrifying creatures than the constantly predictable methodology we “think” they require.
Yes but you have got to remember that this was before alien was a franchise.
We had no knowledge of its reproduction other than the face hugger and the victim becoming an egg.
It's some sick scary way maybe the "rape" was a result of the fact that the alien was born from a human and the humans need to mate. Remember this is 1979 and designed by an artist who is more than a little bit suggestive.
That's true and if the first Alien were to be made today, they might have even pursued that route a bit more overtly.
One thing's for sure, I won't be looking at that scene the same way again after viewing this.
Jdh87 I know what you mean.
This scene is genius the way you can only speculate what is going on. It's why this film and this particular alien drone is still so terrifying.
I always saw the erect tail and the crab walk as some kind of eerie sexual interest in lambert.
Veronica Cartwright is so underrated and always delivers a strong screen presence. She was phenomenal in this.
Agreed. Also, she’s super attractive.
She apparently passed out in the scene where the Alien breaks out of John Hurt's chest.
She showed up on set believing shed been cast as Ripley. Apparently her slapping Weaver was authentic.
@@jollyfighter7319 y solo porque se te paró el pico la tratas como buen personaje, que patético
I've always wandered what it would be like, with her playing the Ripley character...maybe giving a little more introspective vibe from her? Cartwright doesn't have the same authority about her as Weaver, but she's a damn good actress too and I she could have pulled it off
That scream is honestly the best/worst noise I've ever heard in a horror movie. I can't imagine what the fuck was happening to her because I've never heard anyone make a noise like that before. Whether her death was sexual or not, it was definitely excruciating and creative.
To me the most horrifying part of it is not just Lamberts scream but Parker Whimpering…big strong parker who not moments before charged the alien is reduced to a sobbing whimpering wreck…that sound he makes freaks me out ever since i watched it.
It's the hyperventilating noise, its sounds painful, like child birth.
I could only imagine what Ripley was thinking as she ran towards those screams
That’s why it’s sometimes good to not show the kill, having your brain fill in the blank and painting up images of what may have happened is much more effective in scaring you
Terrifying
Lambert's screams followed by the alien roaring then silence always scares the hell out of me.
Bro SAME
I get chills
It's a true monster
It’s definitely haunting.
Grateful for the reminder of how great Veronica Cartwright is in this, the fear in her voice, the way her face contorts with fear in that almost childlike way, she was a big part of the impact of this movie when I first saw it, made it so visceral
that crabwalk made me really uncomfortable
Definitely unnerving, but I don't think the way it's shot (at least the available deleted scene, as cut) quite works. There are moments where it's just blatantly a man in a suit. A physically remarkable man in an aesthetically remarkable suit, but a man in a suit nonetheless.
That may be why it was left out. Because it is such an unnerving image when it's convincing, I can see no reason to cut it, except for those "rubber monster suit" moments.
The xenomoroh was sleeping they fucking woke it up by making too much noise that's what got them killed by that thing!!!!
@@paulgreenwood3748 THANK YOU.
I was wondering like what the fuck are they doing in a room with this sitting on the ground?!
I know right talk about alien isolation lol
I always have a hard time watching the crab walk, gives me chills everytime.
Any fear and discomfort I felt as a result of the Alien and this theory can be easily neutralized by watching that crab walk.
Ik thats is so goofy
A) it takes me out of the movie and just makes me think its a costume not an actual alien (without out it makes me think its a real alien but ik its not its just too realistic)
B) i can definitely understand why it was taken out even in the directors cut
LOL! You’re so right. That segment belonged on the cutting room floor.
Yes thank God it was cut, it could have ruined the whole franchise.
@@alexojideagu Ridley did that by himself, he only needed more 40 years or so
@@bdosreisablenah
I feel like Lambert was the punching bag of the movie. Each script had A different, more brutal death for her like geez give the poor girl A break!
I recall in some director's commentary or another Scott saying he felt Lambert was the self insert for the audience. That she reacts in the way the audience is supposed to sort of deal.
Ralph TheWonderLlama
Yeah, I've heard the same.
Me too. I also heard that Cartwright wasn't happy with the character's passivity, but Scott told her that her role was similar to Cassandra: She knows something bad's going to happen, but nobody listens to her. Moral of the story: when Lambert says: "Let's get the hell out of here." You git!
On the contrary I think she as a character represents the audience. She is constantly saying things during the film I would listen to in the same situation. Stuff like "Let's get out of here."
Hi, Jesus. Big fan, though many of the people who say they're your friends are assholes.
The one bit in the phony "Director's Cut" that I really think should be in, is the moment when Lambert bitchslaps Ripley. Even though Ripley was 100% right, it was a moment for Lambert, who does get beaten around a lot, to stand up.
I think it's absolutely great that the movie left this ambigious. You just see some small glimpse of what might have happend which leaves a lot of room to your imagination. Movies particularly horror movies, don't do this anymore today, or well only rather rarely.
a m b i g u o u s
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@@wehrewulf Do you think you made a clever point?
Most disturbing scream in film history.
and Brett's death scream
You're right, of all the "Scream scenes" I've seen in horror movies I would probably have to say this is the best and most "disturbing", as you put it.
She made it so freakishly real.
That and Priss's screams in Bladerunner 😳
@@bruthamann5697 I think the scariest scream in horror was Quint's from Jaws (1975)
I always thought Lambert was violated because the alien was made from Caine and Caine clearly had some affection for her. As the aliens hold some genetic memories it may have had some desire for her as Caine did. Imho
Baron Blackheart Kane
Oh wow, we know that the Xenos adopt genetic markers from their hosts but I never thought about them retaining perhaps even subconscious thoughts of the original host. Cool theory
stardude2006 ty
Carrie Snider ty
Damn, never thought about it like that. Cool theory.
The screams go on for a longtime, that along with her not having any pants on afterwards seems clear Lambert was violated. Ridley's commentary on the Alien being attracted to Ripley when she was in her underwear supports this. It is also implied throughout the series that the Aliens enjoy sadistically causing harm to everyone even there own.
Let's be clear here : rape was a major subtheme of Alien. Hell, the Alien got on board the Nostromo by raping and be birthed by a member of its crew.
H.R Giger’s art is pretty psycho-sexual
The alien is a perv
Yes, the original Alien is quite sinister. You never know if it's simply an animal or if there's something more to it.
@@nutyyyy its all animals including us (yea im a smartass)
If you have read the comic novel of alien, you would see how the alien uses his tail like that on Brett but it uses it to push through his back while it grabbed his head and chewed him up. I believe that’s what happened to Lambert.
Same, that's what Alien Isolation theorised...
I agree.
What shit the missions pants and shoes?
Yes in the comic the aliens tail is pushed into her spine .
Personally that was one of the scariest scene in the movie , really creeper me out.
I've seen cut footage of this happening to Bret, always thought this is what happened to Larbert.
I read a theory that Kane had romantic feelings for Lambert. And since the xenomorphs adapt a part of their hosts' DNA, it was suggested that the alien not only did that but also adapted even emotional traits... This could mean that Kane's alien had similar feelings for Lambert. That's why it engaged in a sexual way... Sounds interesting for sure.
Oooh! That's VERY interesting!
Man, that could have craaazy story lines later down the track
Jesus Christ if I only had that kind of imagination, my short stories would make me rich.
That would be amazing. It has some sort of strange twisted affinity or attraction to Lambert... that would be quite fitting for Alien.
Wow. I recently ran across Lambert being intersex (male to female) and now your theory... That definitely makes for a very interesting discussion. The alien itself is hermaphroditic, which is a intersex condition as well. The alien was very interested in reproducing, and without an egg layer or queen around, was possibly searching for an alternative means. I haven't read any of the comics, but based on some of Alien Theory's videos involving the hive on the alien's home planet they have options, including using female hosts from other species. Alien 3 also demonstrates the interspecies reproduction involving the queen alien and the male hosts. I'm assuming their sperm is what impegnated the queen with the newborn. Of course, Lambert, having had MTF reassignment surgery, might not have a uterus, ovaries required for pregnancy but it is a possibility. Yes, today they can transplant those organs into a person, and I imagine that would still be available in the timeline of Alien. Since the alien did kill her, I'm assuming that 1) she did not have the ability to become pregnant; 2) it killed her by accident during impregnation; 3) it killed her on purpose after violating her. All theories of course, which can carry the story in multiple directions.
This is a fascinating theory. I've always headcannoned those two
I like to think that the Xenomorphs tail crept up her back in order to pull her towards it.
But having the Xenomorph violate her makes it much more terrifying. And for the reason she is hanging I like to think she was hanging out of the ventilation shaft from getting pulled in.
Wasn't there something in the novelization about the end of the tail being a 'stinger'?
+Darth Decius That was in the novelization for Aliens. I don't believe the Alien novelization mentions it having a tail, at all. You can tell that Foster was working off an earlier script than what was eventually used and he had not been briefed on what the adult alien would look like.
@@BulletTooth504 I mentions a tail but in the novelization they don't specify exactly how Lambert was killed.
Also Lambert was not wearing any pants when Ripley discovers her body.
@@hideandpride1891 Clothes ripped to pieces. Well done, we saw the same video and film. Same thing can often be found with bear victims' bodies, that means bears violate people too? Come on.
I actually did a blog about this subject on Xenopedia and honestly, I don't think Lambert was reailly "Raped", Xenomorphs can detect pheromones from their prey and other Xenomorphs, and the scent of their prey's fear when confronted may determine the behavior and hostility of Xenomorphs when they attack. When a Xenomorph senses that their victims are terrified, they may perform excruciating, bloody kills while cleaner, faster kills take place when the prey either doesn't notice the Xenomorph or is less aware of its presence. I also just so happen to know that while playing specimen 6 in AVP3 (2010), one of 6's Attacks/kills involves shoving her speared tail up your victims asses and the spear tail exits the mouth, so with that, I can finally conclude that Lambert, given the position that she was in, was giving off alot of fear and the Alien, sensing that fear, kills her in an excruciating way by shoving It's speared tail up Lambert's Vigina and slowly up her mouth, where doing so, lifted her body upwards and the collar of her shirt got caught on the chains and her cowboy boots fell off. And because the Alien's tail was making its way up Lambert's mouth slowly, Lambert felt every agonizing pain going up her body, which would explain all the screaming. The Alien then runs off leaving behind the bodies of Parker & Lambert. But hey, that's just what I think happened to Lambert personally -\_( "/ )_/- I could also just be bias as I view Xenomorphs as All female even though I know they're asexual, but still, I really don't think lambert was "Violated" so much as I think she was just killed in slow and painful way because of the fear she gave of... But again, that's just what I think happened Personally
I actually like that theory. I always thought of something similar but could never explain why she hung or lost her pants as I never gave it more then a passing throught till now.
Good job mate.
WOLFPREDATORQUEEN1 *Vagina.*
"Vigina" sounds funnier though. xD
Also in the Alien: Isolation dlc lone survivor, you find corpses of Lambert and Parker. There's a lot of blood around her mouth and crotch. While that may not be solid evidence, it is something to support your theory.
i always figured it being a lone xeno and the fact that they wanted a scene in the end of the movie with the xeno watching Ripley behind the glass as she puts on the suit like it was studying her. and the part of it watching the cat in the case, that it was trying to figure out everything around it. seeing whats what and with lambert just standing there it had more time get a good look at her and trying to figure what she was. thus no clothes as probably removing them to figure out what the hell she is and clothes aren't part of the creature and just killed her in the process with probing like you said.
maybe im not making since im tired.
long story short I figured it tore her apart trying to learn about its prey. like kids pulling a flys wings off
WOLFPREDATORQUEEN1 I remeber an interview of giger saying that the beast actually introduce it's tail throught the ass of lambert... I don't rember the name of that interview but if you keep searching you will realize that you are very close on your theory!!!
I have always believed she was just killed by tail impaling. However this theory does hold some ground.
LOL No. No, it doesn't.
Unless you're calling "ground" to smoke & mirrors.
Yeah like in AvP games, I thought it was obvious :p
Impaled from her kitty?
@@GoodLookingGentlemenI’m sure you thought that as an 8 year old
@@orpheus..hence the word, “SOME”
When I first heard about this theory a while back, I actually had to rewatch the scene because I totally thought she was still wearing her pants and shoes. When I saw her bloody legs I was like "Huh....theory might have credibility!"
It's not a theory, it's what happens
Here's my hot take of the day: Alien is scarier for adults than it is for kids. To a kid this is just a horrible monster killing people. As you get older though, you start to see more and more of the implications behind the Alien and what it does. Not only do you feel terror, but revulsion at what it does that creates a pit in your stomach prompting a binge watch of funny cat videos after the fact to forget about it.
It’s horror is less about the design and more about the actions it takes
But then watching the cat videos make you think of Jones, and then...
i watched Aliens and Alien a lot when i was 8-10 years old, they were always just movies about this big freaky alien going around killing everyone on board. when i was 20 i decided to watch Alien again for the first time in almost 10 years, when Lambert's death happened i had to pause the movie and take a breather because i was on the verge of tears.
also the scene with Ripley's shocked face flashing in and out of frame with the alarm siren blaring in the background are TERRIFYING. how did i watch these movies almost every other day as a kid???
I agree with this take very much. I was 9 when I first saw the Alien films, as well as every other film and piece of media that the Alien appears in. I was never scared of it, I only found it disgusting. I am much more scared of it now than I was 11 years ago, due to most of what you have mentioned.
Lambert's death exemplifies what's so beautifully horrific about the first film; the most awful, horrifying things in this story are left unexplained. The scene with Ripley running down the hall, finding the corpses of her teammates and reacting, was beautifully ambiguous. With just a small glimpse of the corpses, we see it all in Ripley's face--what could elicit this level of horror? Whether by design or circumstance, whatever the hell was happening to Lambert was left completely unexplained so in a sense Ridley Scott was employing the Val Lewton technique of horror. Leaving it up to our imaginations was so much more awful than explaining it to death. And I'm certain that this would not be allowed to play out the same way today; modern horror is so dumbed down, so played to the lowest common denominator (I'm looking at you, "The Conjuring") that studios would never allow this level of ambiguity to remain intact in a modern release.
"There's nothing in the film, novelization, or story boards to support this theory, but we're going with it anyway."
I wish they would do a sequel to Alien: isolation
There is actually an upcoming comic that continues the story of Amanda Ripley. You'll find it.
I think the mobile game that just was released (intended to be a sequel) isn't really what fans wanted, unfortunately. I would be okay with it if was going to act as a bridge-point to another full game, but nothing is happening as of yet...
Why? They messed it up
@This Guys Toupee Wasn't the game he was looking for apparently *shrug emoji*
Alien:Three's Company
I would like to compliment you on your scripting/dialogue. I am not an expert, but you don't appear to "take sides", just reporting as you see it. I understand more of "story" now, rather than just another Sci-Fi whatever. Thank you.
Holy crap did anyone else catch that Parker’s body is in a lotus position? I doubt that he did it himself when his head got chomped which leaves the Alien as the culprit.
I don’t know if it arranged his body like that to mock Ripley, but if it did that’s chilling…
Very overlooked in Alien always wanted to see Parker and this was the first time I saw his body like that
What's a lotus position
@@FTCU1309 Google exists, dawg.
Dude, he's slouched over after having a hole burst into his head... it's a coincidence, if you could even go as far as to call ot that
I think it’s down to the placement of the kill. The creature had him braced against a wall. He’s slid down it and crumpled on the floor, limp like a rag doll.
Lambert's scream was one of the first things heard by the emerging fleshy alien. Does it possibly recognize her? Are there identifyable electro-bio waves given off by mammals that allows the aliens to distinguish?
Later movies where an Alien spares Ripley provides enough evidence that they do have senses beyond conscious human senses.
Nice
The alien spares Ripley because it knows she's carrying the queen. It was well stablished that they have a sense of hive, a collective mind, as any other gregarious insects (ants, bees). So they instinctively recognize their own.
In the case of Lambert, I think it was just a plain rape attempt gone horribly wrong (meaning, the xeno wasn't expecting her to be so easily torn apart).
I personally think it put it's tail inside of her. It's heavily implicated both by the director and the film itself. You can actually hear Lambert breathing like she is in lamas class before she really starts screaming. Considering how much HR Giger and Ridley Scott fought for many of the images of Giger's work on the film to actually make it into the film I would have to say that a full on shikibob rape/murder would have been too much over the top for the studio and the censors to take. So all you see of Lambert is her naked legs dangling and dripping blood from unseen wounds. Subtle and
tastefully done in my opinion.
I honestly thought it just violated her with its tail
Watching it in slow motion; that appears to be her arm not leg.
Shiskabob Rape/Murder is my next screenname.
“Naked legs dangling and dripping blood...tastefully done” 🤔
@@spammodumpwell if it isn't my old friend Mr McGreg
@alientheory I enjoy all your videos but this one is especially good. I've seen Alien I don't even know how many times but have never noticed these nuances/themes. Thanks for bringing them to light. Its a dark, cringy subject but you handled it very well with your script and voice over. Kudos my dude. Looking forward to more!
Never thought you'd get around to this one.
See now this is what fascinated me about the Alien, the talk of violation, the darkness of it. It's much more disturbing than anything that came from later movies and this is one reason why Alien is my favourite of the original trilogy. This was a time when the whole thing was shrouded with mystery....
Rilyn666 agreed. It was implied from the start they were much more than “bugs” but that’s what they became in later films.
Anthony Leckie Aliens doesn’t denote them to mere bugs. They are akin to commandos with “shock” and “breach” tactics lead by a queen that perhaps communicates via electromagnetic means and pheromones. We have observed her to be extremely intelligent. And when combined with the aliens original methodology for reproduction, via egg morphing, we witness that this is a species that adapts its reproductive strategies to its environment and the threats observed within. Queens whereby immediate large numbers are required, something else when this is not the case.
Ala Alien Isolation, whereby a single creature decimated the Sevastopol station of that series entry, then goes on to reproduce via egg morphing. Perhaps there was a queen that eventuates in that nest. Perhaps the hapless souls of Sevastopol all became either eggs or reproductive fodder for the facehuggers within them.
No mere insectoids. Something... unpredictable and unknowable like the amorphous lifeform in The Thing. We think we have an idea of what it is they’re doing, when in actuality we don’t have the foggiest idea.
That’s when the Alien franchise was at its best. That was the original concept. The audience shouldn’t know what it’s going to do or become next.
I’m assuming the Alien killed Lambert with its tail by penetration but I don’t necessarily see it as an attempt at reproducing...
Definitely think her death was different from Parker’s and Brett’s (teeth to the skull), hence why it’s offscreen
You're right.
In the Alien3 novelization, you've mentioned, there's an exact descripion of Ripley's nightmare being raped by Alien. A nightmare is being worse because (as the author writes) in the cryosleep, human body significally slows down it's processes, so dreaming a nightmare can take a months or years... She later expains to Dillon that embrion of the alien queen is different, so it needs a different "enviroment" to grow. So... Lamber could have been raped by Alien as well. It seems to be a common behavior for that species, however we know nothing about it from Aliens. Neither the film, neither novelization. Good work as usual my friend.
Like the idea that this is the first female, the alien encounters. Whether it notices through different pheromones, or not , I’m not sure, the idea that it wants to ‘investigate’ this different human, but ultimately discards her when it realises, she cannot reproduce, is particularly brutal. The crab walk with the tail extended is very creepy!!
Dat crab walk tho was very telling..
It was almost as if for the first time the Alien was taking on a submissive role.
Maybe in the presence of an Alien Queen
(a dominate figure) the drone would behave in a submissive manner.
Think, Prey Mantis or Black Widow mating, the male is the submissive one.
Never seeing a female before, perhaps the Alien initially was following some genetic behavior to act in such a manner around a female.
TheTruthIsGonnaHurt nah... bad idea
No they lack genitals so they dont really mate
@JDG3981 xenomorph are not females eather they are hemaphrotides
Meaning they dont have a defining sex plus they reproduce like virus so yeah...
@@thatrandomguy0133 as far as we know, I've watched every alien movie so far and played a few of the alien games and I'm thinking the aliens have only used eggs for reproduction so far, in alien resurrection the Queen reproduced a different way near the end, maybe they can reproduce in different ways depending on if there's a queen or not
Is it possible that Kane had a thing for Lambert and the alien inherited similar to what was portrayed in Reserection
That is a very interesting theory.
She slept with ash
@@Blobby192
Boom shaka laka
You've brilliantly covered all the angles here in this video . But even before UA-cam came along, I always believed the alien raped & killed Lambert. There are sexual undertones everywhere because the whole movie was born out of an idea of an alien screwing an astronaut, which happens via the facehugger effectively raping Kane to reproduce & violently gives birth from him, there are phallic symbols all over the alien itself, its head shape & inner jaw, Lambert is the first woman it attacks but studies her intensely first, the fact that she's transgender may intrigue it, the tail seemingly venturing into her genital area, the implied sexual grunts, presumably naked with blood running down her legs. It all spelt rape to me. Plus a monstrous alien vaginally raping a human woman on screen would cause incredible furore even today, much less in 1979, so no wonder they did it off screen.
Look at gigers artwork
What's funny is, Lambert's death as portrayed was last minute. Originally she was supposed to hide in a locker and die of sheer fright. So her off-screen death is the result of them having to shoot around a scene that was never filmed.
@@superpaytonmars8852 The end result worked brilliantly though, all you can do is imagine what happened to her & that's the most terrifying thing, not knowing.
making Lambert trans seemed like a pointless retcon. It needlessly erodes the themes of the first film imo
What evidence was there to even suggest that Lambert was trans.
The Xenomorph has to make a banger of an apology for this one.
Hey man, just found your vids. I'm liking them. Your voice and the way you tell it is dark and chilling. Excited to watch more.
Thank you for watching and I hope you find more stuff to enjoy!
Even when I watched Alien the first time and saw this scene, something in the back of my mind always told me Lambert had been, in some way, violated just from the way the tail slowly wrapped around her leg alone. Legit one of the darkest and scariest scenes of the franchise.
Listening to her scream when she gets killed still gets to me
Sexual tension was very common HG Gigers art, so it wouldent suprise me if that was the main idea for that scene
That was a hellavu "explaining video". After 43 years, never knew/heard any of this. Thanks for the upload!
I respect how you don't push one theory over another and you directly reference the editing tricks done to bring Brett's death scene earlier to complete this last one.
There's quite a few problems with any analisis if this scene.
The tail between the legs is actually a scene of bret from earlier so that's not lambert. I think they reused out as they where out of time to film new scenes.
You can tell by the trainers.
Great video. I believe that Lambert was brutally killed by the Xenomorph off screen. We can only imagine how exactly it killed her by her horrific screams.
Whats the music that begins playing at around 2:20?
For 40 years I thought that the limb swinging in the foreground of that shot was Lambert's bare arm. Not her leg. It made sense to my eyes and Lambert was seen a little earlier rolling her sleeves up. But when I finally realized what I was looking at. It freaked me out!! Lambert was indeed sexually assulted. Her pants and socks...and shoes!! were gone.
This kind of thing is what makes the first Alien so great. There is so much to talk about, so many unanswered questions, so much mystery....it's why I love it so much. I don't care so much for the prequels as they take away some of the mystique imo. This death has always disturbed me the most, I love how the Alien is in no hurry at all and just studies Lambert for a bit before... well... we'll never know. But we hear it. Pure brilliance
You sir are a scholar. Your research is extensive and compelling. Thank you so much for this.
Thank you for watching!
Except that wasn't Lambert, the character is wearing sneakers (Lambert wore boots). They switched around some of the shots because they didn't have enough to cut around during the Parker/Lambert death scene.
Nah. I don't think this theory holds up personally. I'm pretty sure that, of the Xenomorphs could procreate that way, the Alien franchise would be a very different series.
...Like a series that would only show up on Pornhub.
I also think the xeno raping Lambert would too overtly sexual. This series has always bee more subtle than that.
ZaleraArkanus666 I disagree on the "subtle" part...but I totally agree on the first part of your comment.
I think this "theory" of Xenomorphs "violating" women is really cool and though-provoking...but it's also total nonsense given what we already know about the creatures and the Alien universe as a whole.
It's basically just a fan fiction. A pretty twisted (but cool) fan *FICTION* and nothing else.
@Degree7 Aliens fuck humans?
What was subtle ? The literal vaginas that impregnates people through forced oral sex, the Alien with a penis for a head, the sensual silhouette of the creature or all the vaginas and penises in the derelict ?
I thought it was this from the first time I saw it.
Also you’ll notice that the shot of the leg is not Lambert’s, it is Harry Dean Stanton’s character (sorry drawing a blank,) it was very intentional that they inserted the shot.
I wonder, How many Newtons of Force Is a Headbite?
Over 73 newtons, which is easily enough to fracture or break the skull
Just read it's 2,300 Newtons of Force to Crush a skull but just to break though it I don't know.
Don't know, but with that jaw I would say 22 inches worth of Newtons of Fig
A third of what Rosie o Donnell would apply if she stepped on your head.
They can instanly tear through any flesh and could cause dents on metal doors/windows.
Possibly the scariest part of the film for me. Ripley's shudder when she sees their bodies feels so realistic, so primal. It felt like watching a snuff film for a second.
There is a comic that actually shows what happens to her. The Xeno uses the tail and stabs it in her back, pushing her towards it. It then tears her apart.
The comic is based on an early script iteration rather than what Scott or O'Bannon intended with the final cut. It is not cannon in any way.
Were is the wider shot of Lambert hanging taken from ! it's not in the theatrical cut or the directors cut !
Do you know the thing that I love most about the depiction of the crew of the Nostromo? The fact that they were CLEARLY coworkers, not friends or a family. On board for their skill sets. They were there for the shares, not one another. That is such a real, human component to what work life truly is. It seemed very obvious to me that everyone thought that Ripley was a Bish.
What’s a Bish?
Years ago I used to spent a lot of time on a site called AvPNews which was one of the big three AvP sites of the early 2000s. I started a thread on their forum called the "Alien sex/rape theory" all about this scene that absolutely blew up. Back then strangers were capable of debating on the internet without instantly resorting to insult matches, and respectful debates would go on for weeks then peter out, then months later someone would suddenly bump the thread back to the top of the page and the debate would go on for weeks again.
Yeah. Good old internet
I think the original idea during primary photography was the alien violently tried to force her into an air duct and was only partially successful. There may have been for instance a snag or other similar problem. The sequence in my head is: impale, drag to vent in the wall, pull her partially through, pelvis gets stuck (perhaps the vent prematurely closes), and the alien either rips her torso off due to it’s strength or then head bites her. The dangling legs are what remains visible out of camera. The alien can’t easily get back to the scene because the vent is blocked.
I favour this over the rape theory because it’s more consistent with the Alien’s goals. At this point in the overall production and cannon the crew’s organic matter is used to produce more eggs (like the derelict -- “I wonder what happened to the rest of the crew”). Live or dead doesn’t seem to matter as in the case of Brett vs Dallas. It would make sense to eventually use both Parker’s and Lambert’s bodies. Also the stills clearly show that they wanted to convey lambert hanging or dangling from something.
Alien isolation tries to represent this with lambert bent backward over a crate but this is not consistent with the film footage because of the way her feet are dangling.
My two cents and I think there are many ways to interpret this scene. I’m glad Rawlings and Ridley left it ambiguous and suggestive. What you don’t see off camera is truly horrifying.
As a side note, I definitely think they made the right choice in rejecting the “dying of fright idea.” The alien would tear that locker door off in seconds.
I'm with you on your theory, it just makes more sense with its nature. The way they're talking here would add an extra layer of horror but it doesn't fit into accomplishing the xenos goals and feels forced. If anything maybe the xeno was curious about her being female and maybe being a better fit for a queen embryo
The only problem with your theory is that it doesn’t explain why she was naked. Like even her socks were off.
Even as a young teen when I first watched Alien I was left unnerved by that scene as I knew that it didn't just kill her as it was not like the other attacks we had seen were it quickly overpowered and bit them in the forehead.... It took its time with her and seeing her pantless and seemingly slumped over the fuel canister trolley when Ripley finds the scene pretty much confirmed the violation to me at least
darkest and scariest sound in movie history
1:08 I could never make out exactly what I was seeing of Lambert and Parker's bodies in the film, this photo however paints a much more sinister image as to how they were killed.
The Xeno has Harvey Weinstein tendencies
I'd rather be violated by a Xenomorph than Harvey. 😋
Alan Lee same though I'm a guy
Exactly.
#notallxenos
Can confirm.
When I first saw Alien, my thoughts went in that direction but I didnt want to share it with anyone, partly because i didnt want that to be the true case.
There are alot of rough ways to go...and that is definitely under the top 5.
After Alien: Isolation, now for Alien: Violation.
Youre fantastic at these breakdowns!
Aren't xenomorphs supposed to be hermaphroditic without genitals. ?
Also a good vid to scare you before bedtime
Thorsteinn Gislason have u forgot about there tails
They can stick there tails in anything ;)
Brett Bailey they are literal dickheads (;
Thorsteinn Gislason also a Queen alien has a vag, ever wondered where the egg sack came from
Thorsteinn Gislason But what if the tail is the reproductive element; both functional as a stinger that injects an incapacitating agent into a host, and a reproductive agent, that introduces the enzymes for the process fans refer to as egg morphing. Or something worse again.
I would love to see the creatures have another agent in their hierarchy, something akin to the backbursters’ of Covenant that somehow further the reproductive fitness of the hive. Created by manner of traumatic insemination as is hinted and implied by the horrific manner of Lambert’s death.
Ie, the action figure company Neca, released a white drone that was to serve in the hive as an egg handler, and instead of a secondary jaw, it had a phallic proboscis that perhaps secreted the material that lined the hive, or served some reproductive method like the facehuggers.
When creative restraint is exercised, but the creatures expanded upon, in dangerous and slightly sexually suggestive manners, and the creatures not entirely predictable, alien becomes its most... alien. And frightening. Like the eponymous creature from the Thing. You don’t know what it’s going to do next, how it’s going to brutally reproduce with its hosts, or even what specific form may result from this process. Making it truly the top of the evolutionary food chain, and that no matter what approach you take to eradicate it, it will quickly adapt with a new methology that will eventually catch you unawares, and have you gasping “kill me” as some nasty, indescribable metamorphosis occurs within in you, or of you.
Thats what I thought too, but the aliens instinctive "mind" might contain something, or things that it nevertheless craves, but which it cannot fully grasp, nor fulfill. Since it is possessed by this blind rage as an deep inherent trait.
Something we humans would find somewhat disturbing when encountering lifeforms of such nature :)
I thought *I* wasted too much of my life simply watching movies. YOU guys take wasting time on fiction and entertainment to a whole 'nother level.
Lambert's death disturbs me the most.
As you might know, in Sigourney Weaver’s screen test, the cocooned Dallas tells Ripley that “… it ATE Lambert.” When I saw the movie in 1979, I (and most) assumed that the creature took Lambert somewhere through the ducts. It also stated this in the original novelization by Alan Dean Foster.
You get to see Lambert's dead body in Alien Isolation: Last Survivor. She still has clothes on and it's not as bad as you can imagine. As the game is considered semi-canon, would have been nice if you included that.
I wanted to mention that but couldn't fit it in with the flow of the script for this video unfortunately. Similarly to Hudson showing up in A:CM, it could either be taken as fitting with the film's continuity, or as an Easter Egg. Though I guess the same could be said of the dossier explaining Lambert's sex, too.
I interpreted the Alien Isolation scene of seeing her body not like you see it in the movie strictly being that something that potentially "sexual" wouldn't make it into a game like that. Though violent, the game doesn't have nudity like that...
Plus, I don't think Alien Isolation's missions from the original movie are really canon...
The developers of Alien Isolation have strictly said that the events of Last Survivor are not canon however their depiction of Lambert's corpse in the mission was in support of the violation theory and that they believe she was raped by the Xenomorph. Reviews I read by critics also seem to have taken it that way when they discussed the Lambert sequence in Last Survivor, when I personally saw it I thought it was chilling and despite her having clothes on (they didn't include nudity for the sake of keeping it MA) the wounds when you examine her clearly depict it.
Isn't it nutty that a movie from 1979 and this particular death scene is still so analyzed and talked about with the highest regard? Regardless of where you stand on what type of kill this was or what was done, the mystery makes it one of the all time best. It is truly special in the sense that it still makes me creeped out.
Alien is an absolute masterclass of how to do Sci-Fi horror. Every single piece of detail in this film is utilised to compliment the themes illustrated throughout and this scene is just another one of those moments. The way it was shot and its implications are masterful and it's very hard to ignore which is why when people discuss this scene regardless of where you stand on it you have to give it applause for still making us talk about it today and for still being a truly effective piece of horror far superior to the modern jump-scare tactics and predictable scares plaguing horror films today. Much praise to Ridley Scott and H.R Giger
Narrator's is so calm and collected, comfortable to listen 🙂
Of all the iterations mentioned here, my favourite is that the Xeno tried to procreate with Lambert by having sexual intercourse with her, but once it realized that she didn't have a proper female reproductive system, it killed her, because any humanoid on the ship was a potential threat.
And then it didn't try to kill or try to reproduce with Ripley at the end of the movie because it knew she was its only chance for Survival. It needed a human pilot to maintain and navigate the ship. Impregnating her would potentially kill her during the birthing process.
I saw a video that points out that in "Aliens" in the scene where Ripley is being questioned by the Weyland suits you can see on the screen in the background that Lambert was in fact born a male and transitioned, this would explain yours and others theory that she did not possess a viable womb and I agree.
Xeno reproduction at that time was by turning people into eggs, which was CUT from the theatrical release and wasn't known until the Directors Cut came out later. Alien is a fetish of body horror, the purpose of showing what they did, in the way they did, is to let the imagination do unspeakable things, it saves a lot of money and makes for better art.
The Xeno was always a perversion of sexual desire, so of course the tail goes in at the bottom and out through the mouth. Is it playing like a cat? Is it sadistic?
The triumph of the movie is the conversation it generates 40+ years after it was made. Few movies can claim that.
@@wrallpaul66 Did the person that made the video use some photoshop shenannigans to enhance the image? That scene is Lamberts photo with some very blurred streaming text which the actor's stand in front of for most of the scene. The audience isn't mean to read it, I wouldn't be surprised, if genuine, that it wasn't a prank by the production team or they just screwed up.
Anyone claiming this movie for todays socio-political activism is deluding themselves. Back in the 70's-80's people couldn't even bring themselves to say Homosexual, let alone champion Body Dismorphia, and fought to keep the practice illegal and quite prepared to let 'the gays' die back in the AIDS pandemic.
Ridley Scott did not make a movie that under 0.1% of the population could watch 40+ years later and say 'aaaahhh wink wink' he's not that kind of man, or director, never was, or ever made any claim to be.
The tail wraps around the characters leg deliberately in a way that makes everyone squeamish, then leaves you guessing while Ripley rushes to save her friends to the sound of their screaming. There is simply no need to try and interpret the killing.
I always thought Lambert's death sounded especially gruesome, but the screen image with the supposed trans line can't be confirmed as legit, I need to go back and watch the director's cut to try and find out if it is real and not a photo shop edit. @@s3p4kner
I don’t think the Alien had any sexual inclinations towards Lambert .. It just sees another host for the continuation of its species , whether to make eggs , or to breed Face huggers .. I imagine , like worker Bees , it was providing for the continuation of its species .. as for the tail , we know from Bishops demise , and the Queens attack on Ripley in the power loader , the tail was a stabbing weapon .. and also it’s able to secure the victim by wrapping its tail around its “ Prey “ and moving in for the “ Coup de grâce “ with a head strike with its extendable jaw ..
According to my father, he saw pieces of the film in a magazine, and the alien’s tail went up between her legs and ripped her guts out. He said that part ended up being cut because it was too gory. I can’t remember exactly which magazine( Penthouse or Hustler, maybe) as this was 1980 or so, and I was just a kid. He said that part “ended up on the cutting room floor).
If the Xeno really did try to impregnate her, wouldn't she need to live through the encounter so the alien inside her could survive? That's why Ripley wasn't killed in Alien 3 and what what was later done in Aliens as well. The 'cocooning' process made more sense but since that part was ultimately cut, I think Scott edited the film in a way to show how the Xeno's could reproduce... at least in theory but it still wouldn't answer my question of how it could survive through a dead host.
It's acting out of leftover human tendencies from its father, Kane, a side effect of imprinting on the host
This is the only YT thread where, after viewing the videos, I cannot wait to read the comments, which speaks volumes to the creative and intellectual levels on display here. Fantastic channel!
This Xeno definitely seems to possess some personality traits, whether through observation or behavioral growth. Like curiosity, such as when it's watching Lambert, Brett, Jonesy, or even Ripley. Or, maybe, a bit of cockiness, as when it displays its various mouth weapons for Ripley during the shuttle showdown buildup. And definitely not out of the realm of possibility is a bit of the inexperienced sexual fumbling of a relative "youngster."
Trying your best to remove the nearly impossible-to-film "crab walk" from your mind, focus on what it's doing here: in what must feel like a "submissive" position, sensing a possible "mate" and even...erecting its tail to a higher degree to follow and understand new instincts, drives, and possibly waiting for a response in kind. And THEN, when Lambert's mind is totally unable to cope, Big Chap stands but does not strike, almost wanting to (and I know this is most likely far too human) continue its assessment/courting (two extremes) of this different specimen. It doesn't even begin to reveal its layered mouth weaponry, choosing instead to almost >smile< in a fashion that seems tame (but certainly feels otherwise to us, and as Ridley Scott spoke to a disappointed Veronica Cartwright after she found that she was being cast as Lambert, paraphrased, "Lambert is the emotional content of the audience").
I've always felt that this Xeno, like any other newborn creature, must still learn at least some of the social customs of its new home, even while the unstoppable operations of instinct and speed of learning drive forward. Along with Scott stating, "Yes, this was a violation-type death," there is no other reasonable conclusion. The horrible death sounds from Lambert leave a lot to the imagination, except for one clear section, and most here would agree with what that is. Also, because Lambert can scream functionally at the end, this reveals that her head/throat would be intact, which causes my conclusion to be "death from fear/fright due to violative attack."
(Just typing this comment made me uncomfortable. However, great movies cause great depths of thought to be examined. Also, someone here (?) mentioned Parker "whimpering" at some point in this scene. I've never seen or heard anything like "whimpering" from Parker. FTM, I'm still trying to figure out what he says directly before the Xeno strikes his forehead!)
Felt lambert was the one that things were most unfair to. She never wanted any part of it, she wanted to bug out every time, she wanted to leave. She was still killed.
The alien either killed her violently or dragged away, glued to the walls waiting for a face hugger
Thnx for solving the mystery because I've always wondered wtf happened to Lambert & this just makes A LOT of sense
Good video, but at 7:27 --that's not right. The entire planet in Alien 3 is not occupied solely with convicted rapists.
Alex i think u just answered ur own question there buddy
What a brilliant actress. I can only imagine how hard it would be to play such an emotional, hysterical character and sob so much.
Lambert was simply killed instantly. If she was violated, Ripley would have heard prolonged screams of terror.
(Remember Ripley was close enough to hear Parker and Lambert).
Since Lambert goes silent abruptly, its more likely that the alien just killed her and left the area.
Alien has left the chat?
So, any chances to see what happened at Hadley's Hope in movie or animation?
Douglas Machado there is an audiobook on youtube now called "alien-river of pain". Its pretty good. Worth a listen if your cleaning or building a model 😊 all about hadleys hope.
A whole movie could be made from the hadleys hope situation.
@@kevinharkness2108
In the novel there's a part where it says "when Parker sees what the alien was doing to Lambert it almost made him go mad" 😐
@The Fandom Menace It is up to our imaginations what was done. I assumed that the alien had torn them apart or... broke them so they would both fit at the same time. It's strong enough to snap bones after all.
Awesome video dude
Wow
I'd have been incredibly impressed with what she said was the original version.
There's something very Cuthulu about the Xenos. Very "Shit we weren't meant to know". It would have truly driven that idea home, AND been a darkly thematically appropriate end to the character, had she hidden, successfully, only to LITERALLY die....
Of FRIGHT.
Imagine Ripley finding her. No blood. No wounds. No pulse. Just what used to be Lambert, face and eyes locked in a rictus of overwhelming existential horror.
It has happened. It's called a heart attack induced by fear.
Can’t unsee what you just put in my brain 😢
I dont think that the alien could literally rape Lambert. The Xenomorphs reproduce quite differently from humans. Xenomorph Drone/Warrior doesn't have a penis or any kind of human-like reproducing organ. And the creature certainly can't feel any kind of sexual desire (especially towards humans) that would make it want to rape it's victims.
Most likely the alien just killed Lambert in a very brutal way (like piercing and ripping her body with it's tail). While you say this is a rape-like kill, it is definitely NOT a literal rape.
The only Xenomorph subspecies that can "rape" people are the facehuggers.
The best horror is left to the imagination. Every possibility, every permutation, contains a multitude of nightmares.
In an interview with starlog magazine, Veronica Cartwright stated that she believed that Lambert was in fact raped by the alien, which is why she was shown naked from the waist down, that the alien’s intent was to mate with her not kill her, but being human she didn’t survive the interaction thus killing her and possibly impregnating her, giving more of a reason for Ripley to blow the ship….and her struggle over the speakers kinda suggests it in a way
Sauce please
sorry but thats is not possible as your dead at that point
Name of the music in the background?
That crab walk is hilarious 😂😂😂 it's wise that it was cut
In the novel Parker and Lambert's bodies were messed up completely because the alien had tried to stuff them in to an air vent. Nothing more to it.
The phallic positioning of the tail in the deleted crab walk sequence in Alien reminded me of the rape scene from the movie Splice.
Both of which made me very uneasy and a bit nauseous.
Too much "fan fiction" in people's ideas on it violating her, the same people get off on the idea of they themselves being taken by a facehugger and dying as a result. If the xeno could sense the difference between male and females, gender reassignment wouldn't confuse it because it most likely could sense the differences on another level, despite the outward appearance. It would be able to tell if Lambert had the proper biology to reproduce. As a species, we tend to over-sexualize and anthropomorphize everything and often times it causes us to want something that isn't there.
After watching all the various alien incarnations, I've come up with this personal theory;
You have a Queen, laying eggs, when there's a queen. When a drone's alone, it tries ANYTHING to procreate, (that's it's only purpose when it's by itself separated from a queen) and since it's birth host was human, and it has human dna incorporated within it, why would it not attempt to violate Lambert?
The alien takes on the characteristics of each host to some extent, perhaps these characteristics get past along, (including ones that involve procreation) from one generation to the next - from every host it's race has encountered - literally giving it limitless ways to procreate.
You have egg morphing one moment - then you have the predalien implanting eggs down the throat of pregnant women the next. When there's a queen, it's back to egg laying.
Each time, adding something to the species, ensuring the next generation's survival.
BTW - LOVE your channel.
Well it's also been added that the predalien in AVP 2 was actually a young queen. Young queen xenomorphs have the ability to implant embryos like that in order to establish a hive quickly. Had she had a longer life she would have grown that huge egg sac and started laying eggs.
Why Lambert and not ripley?
great video man
That was your greatest video ever made so far, it even emphasizes the artistic meretics of this movie to show how to make a great cosmic horror Scifi/horror. And to emphasizes more how the first one is inifinite superior of all his sequence thus far. This is why i heavily undervalue The Ridley Scoot latest sequels by not enphasizes was not shown on the first movie. In the Alien Isolation, they show how lambert was kill, looks like she... or he was impaled on genitals and Alien tail rip through the mouth.
Thank you so much for all the different perspectives on the scene. Only true Alien fans will know what this means.
You forgot to mention the infamous shower scene in Alien: Covenant. But this is what I wanted to know.
Freud would have a field day analysing *Alien*
How very true.....