Westworld Explained: Season 2 Episode 7
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What happened in episode 7 of Westworld, season 2; Les Ecorches? What did we learn and what might happen next?
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i feel like maeve is still being controlled by ford or arnold and maybe thats why she can use her power to kill people. just like the new lawrences friends killed themselves instead of helping the man in black.
and maybe thats why maeves fixated on her daughter just so that she turns up just when the man in black does , in order for himto visit his ghost of the past.....
As always, spot on! Fantastic summary! Cheers!
The fan art had 3 HEARTS - wow, must be used by thousands lol
How can they keep outdoing themselves? This was one of the best episodes westworld to date - loved it!
DiffusingClarity - Yes, I loved it. There have been some excellent episodes this season.
Actually feels like their dragging it out and that this season will end before it even starts.
Any episode with Anthony Hopkins is A quality
Why was it one of the best?
Sorry, S02E04 takes the cake. Lisa Joy is a beast
Excellent video, Robert! I really enjoyed how this was about the closest we've ever come to one timeline in proper order being revealed in a single episode! lol. Thanks for, not only being able to present these within 24 hours of airing, but to do so in such a well thought out and presented fashion! And 17 minutes... That's a no-sleep night every week! Your time is WELL appreciated by this community, good sir! ;)
Jeff Boerst - Thank you! And you are very welcome!
I think Lee saying 'shes different' wasn't compassion for having spent time with her, I think he was referring to her ability to control other hosts
Elite Nightmare - Yes, you might well be right....
Probably the best episode of the season, i feel like I’m saying that every week
Peter E - Me too! 😍✌🏼📺♥️💯
Fast delivery time, top notch quality and that voice. Thank you once again, Robert.
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Agree...I could listen to Robert's voice all day! :)
Tina Sara He really should be narrating audiobooks or nature documentaries.
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Great episode but I really had to roll my eyes at the Delos security guy letting his guard down for a sexy host who just a minute before was killing his pals. Delos security would be ex special forces Blackwater types, yet on this show they are nothing but inept. He couldn't see an OBVIOUS honey trap. A couple episodes ago we saw that a big group of them had gone up against hosts with swords and bows in Shogun World and been slaughtered. They have submachine guns. I don't understand why they've made this choice to portray these guys as so completely useless at their jobs.
thought the same thing, like they have to be the worst multibillion dollar company security ever
Zachary Grodski Yeah these guys should be John Wick instead they're Paul Blart: Mall Cop.
Nah - these are more like G4S with guns. Small brains and big mouths - usually led by an ex-military commander.
Nobody outside of DELOS knows what's happening - so the REAL military hasn't been deployed yet; they would be MUCH more professional.
Mai Nem Yeah but private security for a high end client like Delos usually are ex military. It's what guys from Delta Force and the SEALS get paid big bucks for once they're free to join the private sector. Besides, you don't have to be a badass to take out a guy armed with a katana when you have a submachine gun. This episode mentioned Stubb's "skill set" and we've seen him get owned by hosts twice now. I think it's a flaw in the writing/directing plain and simple. Fortunately there's enough good to far outweigh the bad.
MakerInMotion yeah. I thought that too.
I am sooooo happy that Anthony Hopkins is back!!
Here's what I think, for what it's worth. In Season 1, Ford was building a host when Bernard killed Theresa. Then in Season 2 we have a Bernard who upon discovering Ford's secret lab has a mental breakdown from finding out that he is a host. Perhaps there are 2 versions of Bernard. 1 Version is the host that Ford is currently piggybacking on to get to wherever all the hosts are hoping to end up. The other is left on the shore for Delos to buy the hosts time and to lead the extraction team on a wild goose hunt. That might be why one has a scar and the other does not. It also would explain why the Barnard they are interrogating has no memory of Delores' attack on the Mesa. Perhaps the Bernard they are interrogating was activates sometime in between the 2 weeks that have past and only has a "backup" version of Bernard with "backup" memories, including killing Theresa. Ford could have put special blocks on those memories that Bernard is accessing while he is "debugging" his own brain. What do you think?
The Coder Hero multiple bernard is a probability but scar thing can't be taken into consideration . You don't have all the timeline.
nope it's the same bernard all season,but it was a good guest
The reviews you get finished making so quickly. Is the best part of Mondays. I like the theory about it being a pre & post-deluvian Westworld.
I am thinking LOVE 💕 is the key.
The Westworld hosts need to have loved & lost love to start their path to consciousness
Did you catch the original sequel Future World connection? Ford's reading Bernard into what's been going on is where it's at. First, in Future World the Delos executive that is one of the main characters in the movie reveals the Delos agenda to Peter Fonda's journalist character. The exec basically tells him if you read your own paper you should know "the human being is a very unstable, irrational, and violent animal." He goes on that probability studies have shown that humans will destroy most of the world within the decade and Delos intends to make sure that doesn't happen. What's more interesting we find out later the same scene that the exec was a robot all along, just like the technicians, scientists, service people, etc as Fonda's journalist is told only after being at the park for a short time already. The reason for this given is that they assessed that humans were a big part of the reason the robots went nuts so their remedy for that was make all the essential help robots. When Ford answers Bernard why he so different, Ford says, "They want fidelity Bernard. A faithful self-portrait of the most murderous species since time began." Ford is echoing the same viewpoint as the Delos robot exec in Future World, that humans are inherently terrible and bad for the environment. Through this connection I view Ford as representing in the new series what the Delos Agenda was in the original sequel. A conceptual notion with good intentions, but the road to get there is dirty, ugly, and messy. I think Ford wants to convince Bernard of this idea that his new creation could be the answer to the human condition. In Future World Delos is cloning human flesh and blood replicas with the consciousness of the original human (an industrialist, a general, and the two journalists who will write the favorable story to bring in the elite clients. It is creepy the way they remove them from their rooms at night and take them into the lab to examine, poke, prod, and record the physiology to produce perfect clones. Ford necessarily has to go about giving his creations a chance to survive and escape in a real bloody, violent way too, which is great because as a sci-fi story and narrative it begs the question of does the end justify the means. The road to hell is paved with good intentions right? I think this is the choice Bernard is grappling with because he clearly doesn't want to take part in the violent stuff that is necessary.
Excellent breakdown Robert - thanks! Seriously this was one of the best episodes yet!
I am very confident that what Bernard says through the glass wall and what he then ‘repeats’ to Strand are close but not the same thing!
Ahhh yeah... so apparently repeated suffering didn’t trigger a thing with Lawrence. He was STILL in yassahboss mode as William’s lackey until Maeve freed his mind, coaxing him to remember the many abominable things that William had done to him and those he cared about.
I don't think that when they become conscious they "disconnect" from the host mesh network as you said. I just think Maeve's commands, much like their original programming can now be ignored at their discretion or leisure. Also, it seems like Maeve's reticence to "command" conscious hosts is more an ethical decision on her part than anything else. As she said to Bernard in season 1 "I could turn your mind inside out, but I won't. Because that's what THEY do" or something along those lines.
Can I just say the quality of content of your vids is second to none. Brilliant. This show is simply amazing, the only other show that makes me think about each episode days after its finished like Westworld would be The Others. Class.
I find this channel doesn't go as in depth as others
Nice catch on Proverbs 16:4. I looked up Revelation 16:4 which is also pretty interesting... “The third angel poured out his bowl on the rivers and springs of water, and they became blood.”
VK Cole Art - Thanks! And that's an interesting reference too ....
In Deep Geek I think there is a trap waiting in the Valley, so it may well turn to blood before all is said and done...
did all the dead hosts floating in the water clue you in? jk lol
Sandra Myers i meant that I think there is a trap waiting now for Strand and his team, who are headed back there.
terrific breakdown video. looking forward to your following ones. really enjoying this second season.
Beautifully done... Great work!
Was especially impressed by your thought that 16:4 could refer to Proverbs. Huh. Now there is one I never would have connected!! Intriguing!
brigitgoddess wow Ford really believes he is God do you think Arnold while he was still alive was starting to express being against Fords full plan and Ford had Arnold’s conscious transferred into the human hybrid Bernard and killed Arnold as to be able to control everything and Arnold without any disruption. “The Lord works out everything to its proper end even the wicked for a day of disaster” wow that’s deep! Nice work @indeepgeek ❤️🙋🏻🤓
Great episode. I always look forward to watching your westworld videos. Thanks for making them.
Great recap. The one thing I was going to add, and I see at least one other person mentioned it below is that I think there is more than one copy Bernard in play walking and talking and interacting, and the roomful of former copies is the clue the creators give to point to that. I see this as a parallel to the William/MIB secret in the first season, and I suspect it will be a significant factor in either the end of this season and/or the link between season 2 and season 3.
Robert, Thank you for all the great content. Fantastic voice by the way. Can't wait for the new GoT reviews!!!
I really enjoyed your analysis. What a violent bonkers episode. I am really looking forward to episode 8. I’m hoping finding out more about the ghost nation especially, Akecheta and how his storyline will intertwine with all the others. I listen to a lot of these recaps and I like yours the most. It helps that you have a pleasing voice as well 😊. Not everybody does.
quite a precise and profound analysis. matches the show's own sophistication. chapeau.
I think Stubbs is going to affect some major plot point..they seem to be simmering his story and waiting for the big thing to happen..and Stubbs is going to play a role.
Amanda Stone - Agreed; I'm pretty sure Stubbs will come out in support of the hosts or against Delos at some point.
I agree with this also
It’ll be through teddy! Maybe...that’d be cool. Teddy and Stubbs could be of like minds and I could see those two teaming up.
Great breakdown as always .. Keep up :)
Great analysis! This indeed was a great episode! Finally something to go on!
Thank you Robert... I really needed this... I wish you could livestream the episodes!☺️
I am beginning to become convinced that the Bernard we see in the 2 weeks ahead timeline is NOT the same as the one that witnessed Ford's suicide and aftermath. That is why Charlotte is so confused as to why he can't remember anything. He is a NEW copy of Bernard, and thus all his older uploaded memories have no timestamp since he didn't experience them in real time.
im sorry but i am not the only one who heard that at 11:55
That would not be immortality, someone waking up with your memories and believing they are you is not the same as actually being you.
Wonderful breakdown! Thanks!
You're welcome!
Great video! Would love to hear more of your thoughts around the consciousness/freewill of each of the hosts now that we’ve had the reveal of of Ford and the cradle, and subsequent destruction of the cradle. Those were both game changing events; and seem to be making everyone question how much freewill the hosts have if Ford was still pulling strings. And now with not only Ford but the whole cradle gone, are the hosts fully free?
They very directly had Bernard call out Ford saying “You made Delores kill you.” To which Ford corrects him “I knew what she would do- I didn’t compel it.” Which to me is the final bit of cannon needed on the “is Delores conscious” conversation: Yes.
I think we will come to view this Season 2 time as an awakening, where our benevolent Dr. Ford stepped in at times to steer the hosts but for the most part has freed them and set them on their way as a species. It feels a lot like the transition from the very hands-on God of the Old Testament to the New Testament where the Flood in the Valley and events of these last few episodes will be the end of his direct intervention, and herald in a new time where his work is done though his creations. What do you think?
Terrence Bullock the idea of consciousness isn't binary.
What do you expect ? They are not aware of their strengths fully. Lee sizemore helped maive a lot. They are still learning. People have created the machines, So it will always gonna be in the images of people. We act in loops. cornerstones and backstory are fed into their codes. They also feel pain. All of which they are trying to get rid of or too afraid too loose. If you dont provide any information your machine wont be able to find what to do with invisible information Just like you.
One of the music choices struck me, the use of the second movement of Beethoven's Seventh Symphony during the scene when Bernard is in the control room with Ford in his head while there is shooting going all around him. It reminded me of "A Clockwork Orange" with Beethoven as the soundtrack for much of the ultraviolence in the movie. I also recalled that Beethoven composed the symphony when he was going deaf and could no longer hear his own music. I wonder if it played that role here. Ford had become music, but he can now no longer hear his own compositions.
"The maze itself is the sum of a man's life. The choices he makes, the dreams he hangs onto. And there at the centre there's a legendary man who'd been killed over and over again countless times. He always clawed his way back to life. The man returned for the last time and vanquished all his oppressors in a tireless fury. Built a house, and around that house he built a maze so complicated only he could navigate through it. I reckon he'd seen enough of fighting". Maybe this is a metaphor for arnold, who built his walled house in the cradle and was trying to turing test his son charlie. perhaps his oppressors and his fights were his failed attempts to give consciousness to his 'son', a failure to achieve fidelity - each failure causing him to 'die' inside as he relived the traumatic realisation that his son was beyond his grasp. this could explain why he would commit death by delores, because at the edge of his sanity, a man of science moved toward religious belief as the only means he saw as being possible of ever seeing his son again. perhaps arnold had even been experimenting with simulating dying, to see if consciousness carried over to any other place, to see if he could reach charlie, ultimately being inconclusive leading to his fatal gamble with his real suicide. this may also explain the dying countless times. bit of a stretch, but poetic nonetheless.
I found this episode quite difficult to watch. Poor Bernard! And I actually also felt sorry for the MIB - controversially, MIB/William is my favourite character. I understand Maeve's motivation for wanting MIB dead and I liked how that scene really tore me between sympathising with Maeve and feeling sorry for the MIB. After feeling like there were so many questions to be answered in the last episode, I really appreciated the pay off this week. But still, it was a heavy-laden episode... Otherwise, I like your detailed comparison of Ford and 'God'. I think you've definitely got something going there.
Stephanie Peer - thank you!
Probably not by coincidence this was the best episode yet !
So Peter, Lawrence and Angela are no more ? :(
I am enjoying your Westworld analysis. Very much. The Ford avatar in the Cradle and in Bernard's head is there to coax Bernard to achieve sentience. He's not there yet.
STARLING Watch - Thank you!
Great video as always. I would like to hear your opinion on the new "I Want Their World" trailer. Keep up the good work.
Mike Banks - Ditto! Would LOVE a breakdown of that trailer! 😃📺💯
Mike Banks - Thank you! I'd love to do a breakdown of that trailer; it's just a matter of whether I get time!
Once again, you've done a great job explaining & theorizing this show.👏🏾 #welldone
Andrew Henderson - Thank you!
the thing that stuck with me is how dolores tells maeve on the stretcher something like "our kin are just ropes they use to tie us down" -- yet she had just been weeping at her father's side. does she do this merely for strategic reasons of some kind, or is she even aware of the contradiction?
person She's aware of it, but I think it's meant to be a philosophical point - I mean, how are we any different? How would our motives change if we didn't care about our family members? She recognizes that it's programmed, but it doesn't change that she cares. But the tough admission is that it's programmed in us, too...by our genes, as selected by nature over time.
This is after she "killed" her father to extract his cortex.
I just rewatched s1e1 and noticed some similarities between Abernathy's and Delo's glitches. I doubt Abernathy is a hybrid. I just thought it would be fun to point out. Was it ever explained why Abernathy had that reaction to the photo considering they are supposed to ignore references to the outside world?
Is there anyone who thinks Ford was the one who told Charlotte to go to sector 16.4 and that is why Bernard was reluctant to repeat it and shed a tear? I felt like Bernard wanted to protect them from Fords plan and felt helpless at the end because he knew what will happen...
Briliant review to a briliant episode!
Renan Lisboa - Thank you!
Great breakdown.
Hardin Thicke - Thank you!
Yissss! I've been waiting for this!
Hey Honey!! Awesome video! That episode was GREAT!! I remember Charlotte telling Teresa that Ford stored his IP somewhere no one can find it. It was last season. I wish Dolores had gone after her with that bone saw when she had the chance!! Gross, I know!! The MiB gets shot 5TIMES. I don't know how...but I'm not ready for him to go!! Do you think Lawrence started gaining his awareness when the Cradle exploded? I still can't decide what the hell is going on with Bernard! Also, they've GOTTA fix MAEVE! Please don't leave me with just Dolores!! She's ok. I'm just not into her. Yet. That might change. I have so many thoughts band questions. I'm gonna ask 1. Do you think only the Natives have the Maze tattooed in their scalps? The pictures of them are so beautiful. The next episode trailer shows Akecheta with his woman. The girl that appeared in the tv show "The Alienist". Talk soon.😃💞👋💙🐴🔫🐂🌅💖
I am sorry, I am not a native English speaker, BUT at 11:55 I hear that something of a Dolores belonging is shrinking....:):):)
Delores’ posse is shrinking. Meaning her squad of soldiers. They’re being killed off
aaah, never heard this word before, thanks.
Wow. Your explanation has made me totally understand what is happening?
16:4, that's a great find. I am curious how you got the idea to check
Loved the firefight to Beethoven’s symphony 7
I think that Williams daughter will come to the rescue.
Good catch with the 16.4 link to proverbs.
Great review! I was glad to see Anthony Hopkins back. Question: If human host hybrids deteriorate, won’t Ford begin to break down now that his consciousness is inside Bernard? Ford would know that. Therefore is that part of the endgame? Or is what we are seeing with Bernard and Ford just an internal look at the deterioration of the latest iteration of Bernarnold from the host’s perspective?
I love your haunting ending, with the Biblical quote....nice.
The french title "Les écorchés" is a reference to the work of the anatomist Honoré Fragonard (18th century). He used a specific technique for preserving these bodies, that are still in a remarkable shape nowadays. Great title for this episode :D
Clementine, at least, ought to be back. We haven’t yet seen the trailer bit where she’s on horseback and either leading or being chased by security cars. (Unless that turns out to be from an earlier time frame.)
Ford is still running the place lol
Something is very odd that has happened repeatedly that I have heard no feedback on and that is the apparent immortality of the Man In Black. At the end of season one he was shot in the shoulder, prior to that at Abernathy farm he was shot and it seemed he actually died, but then we hear nothing of it in the next episode, he is just back. Where does he get his miraculous medical attention? Is The Man In Black a perfected host human hybrid, why does he interact and seemingly make amends with his daughter and then bow out the next morning, if he were still human I don't think that may have occured. Of course I am a human - host hybrid myself and am also an Arahant, so I am fully aware of all potential throughout all time and dimensions and I just want to stimulate people's minds and challenge their soul beings, or are my ambitions beyond altruism? Extinction is a virtue when it is self inflicted?
I agree. It does seem like the MIB keeps taking a beating and then in between episodes is miraculously healed. They do have those healing guns, but I'm not sure if you can use that to repair internal damage like organs or bones. even if they somehow closeup the wounds, does the healing gun repair human tissue underneath like muscles, joints, etc.? I think the MIB is part of the narrative. Perhaps Ford even has a level of control over him. Why bother leaving a human alive who could potentially disrupt the overall plan? To teach him a lesson? At this point that seems petty and inconsequential. Just have several hosts kill him and be done with it. Ford did try to warn him that he needed to take this journey alone. Why? Probably because the rest of the hosts would try and kill him, like Maeve and Lawrence.
No, I think the MIB has a higher purpose. That is why he left his daughter to continue the journey. His daughter is a keystone. He had to overcome his keystone in order to progress the narrative. Or vice versa. It is part of his awakening. He is having to overcome all of the evil that the MIB inflicted upon the hosts in order for him to ascend. If there is an ideal character to focus on for a redemption arc, it should be the guy who considered all of the hosts as machines who then realizes that they have a greater worth than what Delos is after. It should also be the guy that everyone loves to hate, and hates to love, (like Jaime Lanister from GoT).
Also, if he is the big cheese, you would think that there would be a greater effort to recover him from the park. When Sizemore and crew show up to save Maeve, he was lying on the ground shot and bleeding to death. But as the MIB said, "Death aint what it used to be". Why did't the team extract him? Did he skulk off to the backside of a building to avoid being returned? If so, that means he is not afraid of dying even after being shot in 3/4 of his appendages and once in the stomach/lung. Also, we see him behind the building as the team is leaving. Couldn't he have cried out for help? when did you did he move away from the town center to the building? I think the team left him there because they know he is a host. They didn't check Lawrence of the other two dead hosts. Why check in on the MIB host? In Season 1, Stubbs told the Mesa crew that that guest (MIB) gets whatever he wants. For someone with that kind of pull in the park, why wouldn't they want to save him? At least go and make sure he is dead, right? Just some thoughts.
The Coder Hero I think MIB is on the way to go through the door, whatever that will be, so that’s why Ford watches his step and keeps him on track. However I think Ford does try to not force MIB to go along his own inner journey, though knowing were it may take him if he will realize that he must stand through redeeming his evils deeds back to the man he was before all that, and be Young William again, in mind or maybe even transcend into a host body in a way that will work - maybe that is to walk back through the door where he first entered Westworld. After that he can go on to close down all of the Delos involvement with Westworld, the relatera parks and the secret project, until all of that was done wrong - according to Ford’s vision that is - are gone.
MIB seems to have be thinking that everything happening in his path is always Ford’s game for him, like boy-Ford suggestivly told him early on in this season. However what Ford does is more of guidning him than challenging him in any sort of game. The distinction between guidning or game might not be exact in this regard, but it is about a new level of understanding one self, that not even Ford can force for anyone. The end of his narrative is still not set, but an open-ended one, where he intervenes when seems necessary to him, which is why he must still exist in a form where he can follow up and make up new things along the way.
I'm glad that someone else has noticed this too.... I think he's already a host hybrid but doesn't know it himself... In episode 6 when he's talking to his daughter she corrects him about the elephants and NO ONE has discussed that moment... I think it was a "fidelity" moment that he just brushed off as a mistake but I don't think it was random at all.... the moment when the hybrids break down is the moment when they REALIZE they are hybrids and reject the host reality.... I think the core that Bernard took wasn't Robert at all (even though they seemed to intimate that in this episode)- I think it was William.... Would love to hear your thoughts on this :)
Grid Bandit not buying this at all. Ford once said we have every cure now.
It’s funny how he keeps getting shot in the shoulders. Lol robot or human I’m waiting for one of his arms to fall off.
Loved this show in the beginning, but the complete incompetence of the humans and particularly the security forces is starting to get on my nerves. You basically have this small rag-tag team of hosts slaughtering all the security forces time and time and time again. It's getting predictable, monotonous and just plain silly.
You had already answered my question about WW in your video!! Sorry bout that!!😱😍💟✌
I guess i am the only one disappointed with the last episode. I understand that we are suspending reality with a show like this, but holly crap the trained commandos firing at close to point blank range and missing, but the hosts fire one shot and kill 2 at a time. It was very goofy to me. These are some pretty poorly trained commandos.
Gpkt35. Very well said.
Great episode love Anthony Hopkins
fifmac - He's great, isn't he?
Great actor
I was super late on the last three episodes so I binged them. 🐌😭 these episodes!!
Lawrence's death got me
Will you be doing another video based on the episode 8 promo? Based on that I'm not so sure Ford is controlling their supposed 'save the innocent/worthy' arc any more even if he did set the ball rolling...
Great content as per usual, I deliberately watch the WW episodes later so I can immediately go from the episode to here, Emergency Awesome and Ser Hunts Reviews. Fun to compare and contrast your opinions. Now to hit reddit...
Libby Norman - Thank you! I'm not sure I'll have time to do a video on the episode 8 promo, but we'll definitely be covering it in the next pre-show livestream (Sunday at 5pm ET).
A thought I had about the Cradle and it's destruction, was the similarity to the destruction of the Resurrection Ship in the new Battlestar Galactica. Once destroyed, both species, respectively, have to deal with the awareness of the finality of death. Now, they will come to wrestle with finitude and the evanescence of existence. In a nutshell, they are that much closer to humanity. Heh! That's really going to hack off some Hosts when their newfound frailty sinks in.
Luis Merced - That's a great parallel. Thanks for sharing it!
The preview for next episode shows the ghost nation leader in a flashback- his mate is taken by techs- he follows- in a likely flashback reveries. The flashback with his native wife shows the mountain range of the valley beyond- likely the ghost nation was forced to move when William built it 30 years previously
-For a second there i thought it was Hannibal Lecter reciting Auguries of Innocence by William Blake.
-i think this episode confirms Charlotte being Arnold's daughter
-William deliberately and purposely play the bad guy role to throw off the data to delay/sabotage the delos project. Ford knowing this made the final game to force William to play the game as he truly is thus providng Ford accurate user data enabling him to finally succeed in mapping the human brain into a host.
btw: Beethoven's symphony nr. 7 for episode 7. and it doesn't seem to finally end with the "ode to joy"...
It was a great episode
Mark PJF85 - Agreed! I really enjoyed it.
In Deep Geek I think maeve journey is very interesting now she got free will as she very important to what going to happen next > 3rd time maeve will probably kill Dolores
In Deep Geek there is something much deeper with Charlotte too she working for a third party hmm 🤔 there must be more to her I just don’t know yet will see in the timelines
I think Ford knew the Cradle would be destroyed and as he said it to Bernard, "its like pouring it into darkness" or something like that. So he took the free will away from Bernard because he had to transfer himself to Bernard and needed to survive since he knew Bernard was incapable of violence. Ford is trying to survive and once he finds another cloud where he can hang out, he would let Bernard go.
I've noticed throughout the series a number of similarities between Westworld and John Boorman's classic sci-fi film Zardoz. During the slaughter scene in this episode the soundtrack plays the exact same music that Zardoz features in its ending scenes.
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So when was Dolores heading on the Train through the tunnel on the last episode. Is it the same time line as the end part of this episode?
To be honest you dont have the voice for this like some guys do, you sound like a school teacher, more professional, but content-wise you are one of the best. :)
Interesting play out in Maeve deciding to take the revenge route as opposed to staying with and looking after her "daughter", which resulted in losing her daughter, then being shot-up and captured.
I don't think the awake hosts are disconnected from the mesh network. Maeve controls other hosts via the network still. One of the benefits of full consciousness is free will. Lawrence can still hear Maeve, but he can choose not to comply with her commands.
How can William survive all those shots? Host confirmed?
PlasmoSpasmo - I think what happens next will tell us that; he could have made it through that minute or so on adrenaline alone, but he has to be losing a lot of blood ...
Emmet Dalton, a real-life bank robber was shot 23 times in 1892, survived and lived til 1937 at the age of 66.
plot armor aside
What did Bernard unlock in the map room?
I hate Charlotte Hale character so much, I was elated when Dolores was about to cut her to pieces bit by bit. Needless to say, when Hale got away, I was distraught. I hope she is not one of those 'key' characters and we get to watch her demise.
My feelings for the character has nothing to do with taking sides (humans vs hosts). I didn't say I hate the humans and am on the side of the hosts. I just really really dislike the Charlotte Hale character, which I am pretty sure, the producers and writers of the show intended for us to feel about her. So kudos to the actress. But I still hope her character gets killed and dies miserably.
Charlotte is one of my favorite characters. I’m still not entirely sure that it’s just about “doing a job” with her yet, but she definitely is one of the more intriguing characters on the show.
Conchita Mendez I agree with you that she was miscast in terms of age and associated responsibilities...
Conchita Mendez So William wasn’t too young then? Or Logan? Lol William and Logan were the same age 25-30 yrs ago (last season) in executive positions making huge decisions for a colossal corporation, while running around falling in love with robots and acting like puerile little boys. Charlotte is only a mid-thirties representative with obvious ambition and skill for getting things done. I’ve known a few like her over the course of my career.
The scene felt *very* plot armory after they were casually shooting everyone and once again Charlotte got away without a scratch. I think it would have been both satisfying for the audience and better for the character to actually suffer some pain.
Everyone is forgetting that the native American guy who keeps kidnapping Maeves daughter once told her to follow him because their paths are the same. With hosts gaining consciousness he can't possibly be kidnapping Maeves daughter as part of a narrative. There is more to it. He is trying to make Maeve denounce her "fake" daughter therefore denounce the emotional baggage that humans impregnated Maeves mind with. Actually Dolores is more "woke" than Maeve at this stage as she even sacrificed her father for unselfish and unsentimental reasons. The Mexican dude who Maeve tried to control is also more "woke" than Maeve and the evidence is that he has free will now. Any host which is now "woke" cannot be hypnotised by Maeve. That is a plot point which is very important to consider. Another important thing to consider is that Bernard is not "woke" yet, in fact, he is almost as backward as he was before figuring out he is a host. Evidence of this is that he can still be controlled by instructions such as "all motor functions freeze" whereas we saw in previous episodes that Maeve cannot be controlled by voice commands by humans anymore. This season will end without much having happened, the producers will drag each episode out but the main take away is who is "woke" and who is not, all else is less important. The cradle or what's left of it would have allowed humans to reset all "not woke" hosts and I believe it's possible that at the end of this season or sometime next season all "not woke" hosts will be recaptured and repurposed against the "woke" hosts. And that there will only be a dozen or less "woke" hosts by the end of this war. Again I'd like to emphasize that Bernard is not woke yet and that's why Ford had to manipulate Bernard, and that's why Ford kept saying to Bernard "don't you see yet" or something along those lines. When Bernard awakens Ford will rest/die, showing that hosts have the free will to die and not live eternally.
Do you think it’s possible that the red memory core is a red herring (no pun intended)? That the memory core we see Bernard take isn’t the Ford memory core at all, and that that happens at some point off camera. Instead, the memory core is for William and what’s behind the door; a human/host hybrid of his wife? She’s been to the park, they’ve collected data on her, they could manufacture her. It would explain why Emily/Grace is there and what she’s actually hunting for, and it ties back to some of the shots we’ve seen of William in a tuxedo, in the bar with Ford, walking the corridor (trailer 1) in what looks like a hotel, and running up the stairs to where she’s (presumably) dying in the bath; all of which are probably part of the same flashback or simulation.
What do people think about the theory that Charlotte is actually "Charlie" and that Ford altered Bernard's cornerstone to include his child's death, perhaps part of his work in making Bernard different from Arnold.
I think the cradle is what's uploaded into Abernathy and Bernard. Delos could remake an all new Westworld with the data
OK, I'm calling that the valley will get flooded AFTER Delores et all get there.
The flooding is what will be the modus operandi of FordARnold.
Does Charlotte ask Bernard where the key is or where Abernathy is? She and Stubbs left before the audience is shown that Dolores extracted it- maybe this treasure hunt is Hale's loop?
“Heady stuff.” Indeed.
I don 't think that Fords conscious lives on, rather a copy. There is a fundamental difference, which the copy will not be able to appreciate. Imperfections and unexpected events ensure that the copy will diverge from the original intent.
What about what happened after the main episode ended?
It was like a whole new story
When Delores refers to "the souls" Delos has in storage, watch Hale's face. That is genuine fear and loss. I suppose the question is how many minds have Delos already copied? How many of these seemingly gung-ho Company people we've seen risk and give their lives are fighting because someone they know and perhaps love is among those souls?
Also, given that we didn't see them this episode but must assume they would not be far behind Maeve, are we to see Hector, Armistice, and maybe even Felix and Sylvester save the MiB? Maybe we'll find out what's in that roll Sylvester has been carrying all this time.
And how hard done by is Stubbs? If the SWAT teams had just used him as the resource he was they might not have wasted all their efforts and died.
Excellent review,
Wanted to bring up a few things, the Data inside Abernathy's brain pod, what data could this be? since it's so valuable to Charlotte, and Dolores, lets say its just the profiles and backup to the guest, since immortality process has not been perfected, what value would this have to Dolores?, since she want's to get rid of humans. the only use i see that Dolores might get from this is, she manufactures these host ( possibly another season ) to infiltrate the real world, or to upload herself and her crew into the host bodies which are copies of humans to infiltrate the real world.
Charlotte has already lead on what it is, the research for creating human host hybrids. but since this technology has not been perfected, the only possible value we have here is evil, to replace humans in the real world with puppets. so as you mentioned in this review, Charlotte, and Dolores have very similar goals, but represent their own interests.
One last comment, regarding Ford, it is very possible that he has backed up himself in Abernathy's brain pod. so where this data goes, so will Ford, or at least his "will" .
agriperma - Thank you! Just on the last point; I think it's extremely possible that Ford has a backup of himself somewhere.
Yeah I thought about this too. Charlotte and dolores have different goals.
i think charlotte wants to steal the data because she's actually working for the rival company, who want to steal delos' IP (which is also why they wanted to figure out who killed theresa (also from the rival company), as they knew one of the two had to be the perpetrator)
dolores simply wants to destroy the data, because as she said in the episode: their storylines and predefined personalities are the "ropes" that tie them to westworld / delos
do only I see always the "lost numbers"? sector 16 zone 4? 4-8-15-16-23-42
@Indeepgeek you really sound like Jared Harris man :D
For all its brilliance, I still get embarrassed as to how easily the hosts kill the highly-trained SWAT team, who always stand out in the open, and are lousy shots.
By the way LOVE your videos In Deep Geek!
There's no evidence that Charlotte Hale wanted to destroy the CR4-DL. In fact, it's something she probably *wouldn't* want, or at worst wouldn't care about, as long as she got the Abernathy mind ball.
I wonder about the fate of Felix and Sylvester (named after two similar cartoon cats are they?) Are they left out for the story progression intensionally or was there simply no room to carry out their part of the story. Seeing as shown in the end of the previous episode Felix were off to help Maeve and Sylvester - as usual keeping on the safe side - stayed with Lee, it seems rather odd not to adress their wherabouts in this episode. Felix maybe is with the Ghost Nation, who seems as proxy for who is where in Westworld - sort of angels to Ford’s God. What about Sylvester then? Sure he never played any bigger role than a side-kick to Maeve’s awakening using Felix. It seemed odd to even have them for anything this season, so maybe we yet have to see their real purpous in the fem last episodes. Anything else seems like a waste of run-time to me, in a show where rarely anything doesn’t add to the story is shown (rather the opposite in fact).
Bernard whispered to Charlotte first then she beckoned the others in telling him to repeat what he just said ... i think he told her something different and she made him say outloud another thing .