Westworld Season 3 Episode 2 Explained
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Mave/Thandie Newton
looks better in her 40s than most in their 20s haha
Thandie Newton has aged well so i'd say it's a combination of good genes, looking after her body and eating/drinking sensibly.
some people age really well... and shes a robot so ya
She looks amazing.
@@NEIGH6699 Definitely a beautiful and talented lady. Women of color get so much hate whenever they have a strong leading role I am glad she is being appreciated.
@@NEIGH6699 ya... Sci-Fi is a difficult genre for women of color. Sonequa Martin-Green on Star Trek discovery gets so much hate for her character Muchael Burnham even though she does a great job with what is written for her. So many men (especially white men) do not even realize they are hating on a character/actor mainly because of their gender and race. I don't claim to be free of prejudices but I have worked hard to look passed them the best I can. I really appreciate the hard work that women of color are doing to help advance our culture for all of us.
I'm not convinced that Rehaboam is able to factor in the hosts in the real world. I think all the Divergences and other events are "humans" diverging from their "optimal" course that the algorithm calculated. The South China Sea divergence was, in my opinion, the boat captain not following his algorithm planned action by taking Bernard to Westworld. Other host related divergences also had humans diverging from what they "should" have been doing. Just a thought.
I was just happy to see Drogon😍
Now we know where he flew off to in the series finale.
So good to see Maeve again (and Drogon)!
Drogon yes, those who were with him...not so much.
@Kimmminem West It was brilliant, until the show runners clearly gave up in season 8 and just wanted to be done with it all. Some would argue the show was getting worse after season 4 or so, but I thought it was still the best thing on TV right up until started going tits up in season 8.
That said, with the amount of spoiling, whining and bitching the show runners put up with for all those years, I would want to be done with it too.
Kimmminem West I just hated the end with a passion. I know it had many good things and I used to love it but sadly they ruined it for me. I kind of didn’t know how much I hated them until I saw them last night.
It's so weird to see a comment of you Chrissy, and that it's not a live stream. Lol
Riekert Redelinghuys 😂💗
I can't wait for Dolores and Maeve to realize they both want to protect their loved ones in The Sublime. Talk about 2 rivers met, Serac better watch out!!!!
my man, great job as always!
Fab review as always! This episode was fantastic.
This episode was so much fun!! I love that we dont know much about what is going on with any of the characters, great show
I have a few questions! What are the concrete structures surrounding the island where Westworld is located (we saw them when Bernard got a boat ride back there) and what are their function? What about the Game of Thrones easter egg? I'm suprised Robert didn't make a bigger song and dance about it :D
"I'm suprised Robert didn't make a bigger song and dance about it :D"
Me too! Also i'm surprised he didn't comment about Dumb and Dumber's cameo appearance as a couple of Westworld techs.
I would assume they are power generators or some type of electric security fence.
@@jagergerg9771 They may have something to do with wave generation also? I dunno.
Not that they would literally make a blatant Game Of Thrones reference, but I've assumed since the beginning of the show that one of the other Delos parks was generally that kind of setting. I'm not certain if it's in the original Michael Crichton book since I've never read it, but "Medieval World" is an additional park in the 1973 Westworld film. It actually spends a fair amount of time there. it probably is in the book.
QUICK-ass turn over, Robert! Awesome work! ;)
A detail presumably answered in this episode that I don't quite get: for most viewers, whichever initial theory you fell behind of where the park was (a regular island, some massive space station, on the bottom of the ocean floor, etc) did you take for granted it was fully enclosed? The biggest reason I'm thinking is they would surely want their own climate control over every park. So even thinking it was on an Earth-bound island, I figured there'd be some sort of dome structure over it, but all's Bernard had to get by was a couple huge steel structures sticking up thru the ocean surface. So all 6 of the Delos parks have been at the mercy of natural weather all along?
oh and the "Stubbs unrealistically fights & wins (w/injury) over several guards" bit was made that much worse by the fact that, as far as I can tell, there was no reason for him and Bernard to have to stay in that one spot. Once Bernard got possession of that independent pad, there have to have been lots of other more conspicuous places for him to run his test.
I think you could be right and Maeve’s story begins very soon after the events of season two.
Oh, God, I missed you explaining west world! You are too good!
Stubbs leaves the park with his C6 charge intact? Stubbs may not have a core drive or be fully conscious but he does know he’s a host and when Bernard changes his program. I think I’m going to enjoy their buddy cop subplot.
I assume Bernard removed or deactivated it while he was repairing him.
@@kristen5463 Yes, you’re probably right. Now I remember a shot of Bernard closing up the back of his neck.
I’m thinking that alone should have caused some form of cognitive dissonance. I am liking the season but I’m not sold on on Stubbs unless there is a payoff later.
As soon as it was revealed in the one story thread that Lee was there specifically to pair with Maeve to lead her somewhere for information, I feared the same thing was happening in the other one. That not that it was also a simulation, it was real and on park grounds, but that Stubbs was there meant by someone for Bernard to find and leave him somewhere not good.
The explosive was not in Stubbs' neck. First season we learned the hosts all have explosives in their spine near the "tailbone" (even though they don't have bones technically). Details that people keep forgetting are worrisome.
I wonder how many people got the impression that Maeve has solved a problem that has been plaguing Delos for decades.
For decades they have been trying to imprint human minds onto hosts and they always end up glitching. We see this glitching with Sizemore as he is confronted with the reality of his death. Then afterwards he's walking and talking fine with no glitches. What did Maeve do to him?
So are we gonna talk about west worlds location they showed those big concrete structures in the water!?
Wasn't it just a security wall? I would expect them to have something like that.
So it’s just on a island seems the weather would be a issue often which never changes in the show and how do they keep out indigenous life. It has to be contained somehow beyond a wall.
best review ive seen. too many ads i bet
This was a damn good episode! Great review, Robert! ✌🏻
In Deep!
Please please take us to some scenes set in The Valley Beyond.
Hey Robert, don't know if you already knew....Caleb is a biblical character. He is known for his faith in God.
Surprised no mention of the D&D/Drogon cameo..
So Rehaboam and Serac are one in the same? Only three episodes in, but the only people to have seen him are wearing the VR glasses. Maeve was just in a simulation, so it's very likely she "awakens" again in a simulation - this time meeting Serac. Very possible Serac is just a projection of Rehaboam.
Serac should have said....
welcome to the real world... as far as we know
A missed but important detail! The number on top of the boat Arnold comes to Westworld in! Look familiar?!
Doesn’t look like anything to me!
Please explain
Same number layout as the hosts control unit in the storage place Maeve got hers trying to escape the simulation.
@@philiparruda8813 So Bernard is actually inside a simulation?
Are you sure it's 3 years? I thought it was only a matter of months since the rebellion and the closure of Westworld? Still, a very lucid and intelligent analysis of what was a fascinating episode. Hope Armistice turns up soon. But I'm still not happy about the idea of Maeve hunting down her fellow robot Dolores on behalf of humanity, esp since she was constantly raped, objectified and abused herself by the park visitors. I thought humanity was the true villain of the series, and I see Dolores as a kind of anti-heroic but essentially sympathetic Spartacus figure, one which admittedly diverges from his traditional reception.
Sorry just missed your correction! Yes, 3 months makes sense so I suspect that timelines are in synch - Dolores' activities are causing concern so Maeve is being recommissioned in the 'real' world.
How is Serac in possession of host data / Maeve’ pearl and software to run host simulations ? He’s not part of Delos ... confused
What? No mention of another park called Medieval World? Didn't you notice that the mandolin player was playing same music as the piano from Season 1? Oh, and that dragon was from GOT (which I didn't watch), which begs the question, was GOT just another Delos Park????
so from the forge, was it just the host data and their virtual world that were sent off or was the library of data included with that. does anyone really know what was sent or do they just assume its important?
It’s all the hosts original backups, that made it to the other side. I think only Dolores knows where she sent them.
Stubbs AXE scene was bizarre !!
I think it is parody of Thor? Stubbs is played by the brother of Chris Hemsworth
0:52 - Is Dolores the primary protagonist or the primary antagonist??
My General theory is that from season 1 episode 1 we are watching a simulation. Everything we see happens only in the virtual environment of Robohem. It is the only thing that exists on earth and its self sustainable.
You didn't discuss the GoT cross over stuff? I couldn't help but notice they made everything just a little bit different probably for licensing reasons... the only thing that was directly from GoT was the dragon everything else was generic medieval stuff...
or what american film makers believe generic medieval stuff to look like.
@@Luziferrum lol, fair enough I wasn't trying to imply any of it was accurate hahaha
@@HerbstaMagus personally i didn't get the impression it was a GoT themed park , I thought the bard / minstrel scene suggested more a generic medieval park. Drogon with dumb & dumber just an easter egg likely associated that. And that line about a Costa Rican startup interested in buying Drogon seemed to be another little easter egg with what seemed to be a Jurassic Park reference.
@Kimmminem West yeah that is a multilayered one because Michael Crichton wrote & directed the 70's film "Westworld" and of course wrote the book "Jurassic Park" and its sequel.
@@alexb3604 right it was definitely generic but I wonder if that was just because of liscencing or on purpose.
It's 3 months not 3 years right?
IDG!!!
Wait you see Delores as the protagonist? This story only works if she's the villain. In fact I see her as very much the Magneto/Killmonger of the series, someone who has a legit grudge against the world but is clearly a villain.
Those concepts are blurred this season , especially this early on. Simplistically it looks as if Maeve & Bernard are the protagonists and Dolores is the antagonist. But as usual with this show it is not exactly clear with motivations / intentions , which side is good or bad or what any person or groups' endgame is , certainly this early on in the season. Those issues are all up for debate and depend on perspective. This season Dolores does seem the main focal point , either the direct focus of the goings on or attempts to resist her on the other end , again too early to tell if that will hold true for the whole season and / or if allegiances , plans or ultimate goals change. Given how Dolores centric this season looks to be , Dolores could be construed as a baddie protagonist (granted only a few episodes into the season) but it could fall into the more conventional Dolores antagonist Maeve & Bernard protagonist roles. But as of now the characters' endgames and allegiances are so unclear its hard classify.
@@alexb3604 yes it's very early in the season but it has been stated through dialog Dolores is up to something and I seriously doubt, based on what we know about her, that she has humanity's best interests in mind.
I feel like people are giving Dolores a break because she looks like a pretty human woman and not the Terminator. She's basically Skynet in a dress.
@@julius-stark for one although rare and difficult to do well a protagonist can be a baddie but yeah no whitewashing here , as of now it does appear she is the bad one who needs to be stopped. But it is also a matter of perspective until we get more information ; looking at the humans and tech companies that she is targeting thus far are they all that innocent ? Those companies and the people she is targeting at the moment seem to be somewhat nefarious themselves. Thats what i mean in this series its hard to construe and differentiate good and bad and where everyone lines up until we get a better picture of everything going on. Just because one side are humans does not necessarily mean they are good , we do not know the full extent of her plan , it looks as if Maeve and Dolores will be in conflict but they might end up joining forces (though that looks unlikely at the moment). What if Dolores is trying to be rid of oppressive technology ? again not saying she is and likely she is the baddie who needs to be stopped but this early on it is hard to really classify any character or groups until we know their motivations and endgames.
@Kimmminem West yeah as i said in my comments a lot of blurred lines in terms of good and bad ; especially this early on in the season with the plans , motivations and endgames not fully formed for the audience. And like i also said those Dolores is targeting thus far in terms of the people she is going after and seemingly those giant tech companies are not innocent and seem more on the nefarious side if anything as of now which further obscures character classifications at the moment.
@Kimmminem West I disagree. If she's "changed" she'd go off somewhere and leave everyone alone. Instead she's currently killing people and replacing them with copies under her control. Yeah, that totally doesn't sound nefarious.
In my opinion Dolores is evil until I see evidence to the contrary. I've seen Ex Machina, I trust Dolores as far as I can throw her.
So there is game of thrones world after all
Totally out of character for Maeve to cold bloodily shank a random person she just met with a steak knife cause they asked her for help to me. Sure, she threatened to get what she wanted, but she never really was bloodthirsty or so casual with killing anything with her bare hands. Seemed like a big disconnect from what we know about her in the past seasons to how she acted in parts this episode.
I get that they had to show the audience that Serac was smart enough to create her body with some failsafes and introduce the little handheld key fob things that are so prevalent this season (even though Ford was totally able to just build those features into his hosts without needing any external device to trigger it) but it seems like they coulda done that without breaking character traits that were introduced in the last seasons. Maybe just had Serac come out and tell her in the conversation or have her try to escape instead of stab someone to death with a table utensil for little to no reason.
Was this a high school play? Cause it felt like a high school play.
Almost stopped watching Westworld when I saw Mr. Dirtbag&Douché.
So, let me guess ,Instead of doing something amazing like discover ones one consciousness, we will continue to pretend that that discovery never happened:
this is essentially a second premiere that completes bernards story and establishes Maeve, in parallel to delores
one thing that annoys me about the critiques in general for westworld is this assumption that delores is ultimately more important...
but most of these breakdowns, no matter how good, maintain a certain perspective that isn't privy to the layers of why maeve is so important
yes it is classist, and racial
Nothing but stills. Thanks though.
Do you want him to have his channel flagged? Thanks though
This was a very disappointing episode.