Why did the Tiananmen Square Massacre Happen?
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Behind the Tiananmen Massacre: Social, Political, and Economic Ferment in China, by Chu-yuan Cheng
Mikhail Gorbachev, Memoirs
Margaret Thatcher, The Downing Street Years
George Bush and Brent Scowcroft, A World Transformed
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It's almost like human beings natural default setting is cunt. If only some really cool guy about 2000 year's ago learned this shared it an it's soultions to be retold in book from.... If only.
Hi, 20:40 also according to the transcript that a high official in the communist party smuggled out in 2001 (maybe it’s 2002) and was verified as legitimate by Andrew Nathan a professor from Columbia university and a couple of other experts in 🇨🇳Xiao Xang (I apologize if I’ve misspelled his name) who was then the head of the Communist Party and head of the government didn’t want to use force, but according to this transcript he lost the power struggle and was overruled by Dong, (Dong had been convinced by the hardliners to crack down on the students). Anyway, when Xiao went out to the students and asked them to go home, he was very emotional because he knew he no longer had any power and he knew that Dong would declare martial law the following day, Xiang lost the power because he didn’t go along with this decision. As far as I am aware Xiao was for a freer press and a more open system (as I think you already mentioned)
Respectfully, Grace🩰
I am good friends with someone who was at Tiananmen in the month leading up to June 4. He was a student at one of the prestigious universities in Beijing and he traveled to other cities to rally students for the protest. He got sick in June and left a few days before the violent crackdown, where a lot of his peers died.
The weeks prior to June 4th there was a massive mobilization of 200k+ troops to the Beijing area, more than the amount of troops China sent to Vietnam in 1979.
Most of the soldiers sent to crush protests were from rural areas and pretty much brainwashed by the government to kill their fellow man. The soldiers believed they were being sent to crush an armed rebellion. The man who gave orders for the violent crackdown was General Yang Baibing, Deng Xiaoping never gave specific orders except “clear the square” as to make sure he never got the blame.
It should be noted some soldiers refused to cooperate and attack the students and the commander of the 38th Group Army, Xu Qinxian, was court martialed and jailed for 5 years.
The aftermath was extremely brutal due to martial law and “shoot on site” orders and a number of soldiers had been killed during the confrontation (either beat to death or burned alive). The media in China blamed the violence on the students and showed images on TV of charred corpses of soldiers and burnt military vehicles. The incident was pretty much swept under the rug after that and most people in China know the June 4th incident as a violent riot that the government crushed.
There’s no clear number but the deaths were in the thousands and 10,000+ dissidents were sent to camps or imprisoned.
To clarify, June 4th incident in China is censored only on the surface level. Chinese libraries and scholars have easy access to these records. Looking up June 4th isn’t illegal it’s just very difficult to do so on the internet.
Thank you
How easily in the modern day a nations people are so completely misinformed about something so we'll know to most other's..... Yup glad this couldn't ever happen to my nation or people because we're special. 😂
@@long-hair-dont-care88. Yes this is what I hate the most about my fellow westerners, laws are proposed or passed that disarm us or take away rights and people say "why are you worried our govt would never do that you conspiracy theorist!" Meanwhile if you back in history at all you see so many cases of govts adopting radical ideologies and massacring their own citizens. The Holocaust wouldn't have happened if every time the gestapo kicked open a door a Jew put some buckshot through his face.
I don't know why you felt the need to say the soldiers were "basically brainwashed by the government to kill their fellow many dude that's what all soldiers who have ever lived have done. That's their fucking job. You don't like indoctrinating people to kill dissenters to government policy then you don't like soldiers.
An interesting evaluation thank you.
20:46 "You are not like us. We are already old. It's does not matter to us anymore." That's exactly why a gerontocracy is doomed to fail. We need leaders that give a shit about the future, not just themselves.
I think that is mistranslation, we was actually said is that we (the old) does not matter anymore.
@@Willys-Wagon I can see what he was trying to say in that case, but their actions ultimately had the opposite effect lol
@@_xTASY The statement taken as a whole was meant to be a plea to resolve the protest by peaceful means. Despite how it ended, there were many who worked towards a different outcome. My personal opinion aside, I have enormous respect for those who have the conviction to carry out their beliefs.
The party leaders are no longer themselves who can sire children and establish new education building but more like the old Chinese pantheons getting revenge against the entire nation for "abandoning" them and using their hosts as generals for an open war they CANNOT win. Especially on how many other nations have their own peaceful cultural revolutions and spiritual understandings, but blood is sometimes necessary for those changes, as well as a clear mind and contract.
I want to add that normal citizens, especially in Beijing also attended heavily in the final days of the movement. The western part of Beijing, having more sparse buildings, saw heavy fighting between the Army and citizen militia. The eastern part of the city, the old worker neighborhoods, are even more violently suppressed by the state.
Okay, okay, it sounds like you were there at the time
I remember a holiday programme saying, in an upbeat, bright-and breezy voice "Because of the massacre at Tiananmen Square, prices for holidays in China are much lower now!" Talk about being heartless, and taking advantage of other's misery! Plus, any money spent in China at that time, would go to line the pockets of those in the regime who orchestrated such an atrocity!
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@@ikengaspirit3063can't buy a home, can't rent, can't travel, can't do heaps of sheit in China with a bad score, so what exactly is it then friend?
@@falconmclenny7284your score only goes down 10 points if you say something bad about the government.
@@Darkest_matteryou’re score shouldn’t go down at all if you critique the government
Wow. A sponsor that actually directly correlates with the topic of the video
Imagine how differently this could have gone.
I would just like to point out that the use of expanding bullets, while forbidden for war, is extremely common practice in police forces, also in america. It helps prevent over penetration and possible injury of bystanders
Because thr state can then be held liable for the aftermath the bullets cause.
In war the point is to kyll.
That's why blinding or paralysing the enemy on purpose is a war crime. But legal bullets (usually) aren't war crimes.
That's a good point.. but I was wondering... why did they have these stocks of military caliber hollow-point rounds? they planned for this.
@@damenwhelan3236ya hollow points are good for stopping a burglar and not traveling through a wall in your home to potentially hit your family. I’m not sure which side you’re on though…
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Sides don't matter.
@@damenwhelan3236 I don’t know how you can be trying to make a point yet not be on any sides but alright.
Watched it in my Huwaei phone
Its all blacked out
We all live under Chinese Censorship....and you may have even used an Huawei ONT with Wifi capabilities...wich also convert all the traffic data into small secured packets and send them back to Beijing....isn't that great Sir...also while on that phone..don't talk $h¡t about China...cause Huawei is the " child " of the CCP...
This is why I prefer saving more money for a Samsung Phone than a Huawei Phone
@madden8021 Samsung also censors keywords to keep the chobals in south korea.
Nokia makes smart phones, get one.
I had a professor say the T’s to never speak about in China is Taiwan, Tibet, and Tiananmen Square
They talk about them openly in China - they just don't have a weird, racist American propaganda informed understanding of them.
The Chinese version of google even censored Tiananmen Square massacre and that is disturbing
Does it filter out results?
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Nope, I can read Chinese despite being a white caucasians. You're making up BS. The information in Chinese about the Tiannamen Square massacre is easily available in Chinese.
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what else you could expect from Baidu...especially when Cyberspace Administration of China it's in charge of cof...ahem...you know...the business...I mean...ahem...duty for the nation...
Operation Dragonfly is the name of the project between china and google to censor their search results.
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Never seen someone lose this many social credit points in one video.
Can't lose social credit points talking about a day where Absolutely Nothing happened
@@lordgod9958 True, you do have a point there🤔
I’m always saddened by modern Chinese history. I love China it’s history, culture, and people. It seems like it’s closing more by the day but I hope Sun Yat Sen’s dream is finally realized on the mainland one day.
His economic dream was realized
Sun, cannon
Sun Yat-sen was cool
Same with Japan too, but in a different way. You think of honour, samurais, ninjas, very respectable... Now you think Yakuza, femboys, prostitute's, oversexualized women, perverts.. exc.
@@Darkest_matter war crimes 😊
He low key provoking youtube censorship hounds.
mad respects!
Not really, nothing he said is worth censoring. n@zi Germany is censored.
Thanks for keeping this alive
Here before this gets struck into oblivion by CCP bots
There was no Tiananmen Square Massacre. I know because I was there and saw everything. Those weren't tanks, they were ponies. Everybody got to take one home, and everybody left singing and happy and it was raining confetti.
Communist party of China, CPC
excellant in depth coverage without making it an hour long.
imagine doing this nowadays, all those bad government decisions. it would be crazy *cof*Argentinian Government *cof*
Tell me more
@@xanmontes8715 Falkland war.
Never let #china forget. You don’t get to erase murder.
What about Waco, seems like most people have forgotten
You should make a video about Tiananment Square massacre denialism, which is sadly becoming more popular
Why do some people say it’s a hoax?
Bc they are shills
@@LambdaBricks 👌 Spot on
I appreciate your engaging coverage on this very sensitive issue. Your channel is awesome! Keep up the good work!
I've been waiting and wanted to know why this happened 🙏🏿 thank you for the video
One of the students during the protests held a sign saying "Absolute power corrupts absolutely'. That sign describes China even more so today than in 1989.
At that time, Chinese workers' monthly salary was 30 US dollars/month....Students were just dissatisfied with the future....They thought that the system made the country poor...
Your commentary is always top-notch. Keep up the good work, man. Your health improvements are obvious, too. Kudos.
excellent video! The most comprehensive info on the protest. It was a very complicated time
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Can I ask where to check my social points? I've lived for 30 years and I don't even know
@@user-fd1ne3jj3rAsk the Ministry of State Security(MSS) or the Ministry of Public Safety(MPS) to get your score.
If that fails you can bribe a higher up CCP official.
You're welcome.
@@kenm3943hose don't exist lmao. Both are fictional organizations.
It didnt
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1. i know 1 army general refused to send his troops in and he had them go around it multiply times and that other army groups either were seen as to sympathy to them so not sent in or they all refused or turned back.
1.5 the troops who went in and shoot were from the north/next to Mongolia.
2. from the amount of dead at hospitals and the amount dead left at the square, the death count is/was in the thousands.
we got photos' of the dead mountain left at the square counting that mountain plus the hundreds at each hospital, is where most people get the thousands number.
-Taiwan says 9000 dead
-US switches between 500 and 10000 depending on tensions with China (the Brits repeat the American lines and posture)
-the Europeans have not come up with a coherent and accepted estimates.
So what exactly is the truth, because right now it looks like everyone pulls statistics out of their asses to fit their geopolitical goals.
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@@onsite7435+1 extra social credit point for 🤣😅🤣😂 at the comment above, now you are alowed to take the bus and go home and sleep peacefully thinking you have done something for your nation....👍👏👏...the Party is proud of you, Comrade....
İ heard about something similar to what the host described but rather than saying that one could buy goods it was required that each household bought certain goods at certain times. Leading in one instance to lots of piles of rotting cabbages being stored on people's balconies.
Thank you for plugging this video again. I didn't see it last year. I feel like I learned a lot of important information surrounding the massacre and the events leading up to it.
God be with you out there, everybody. ✝️ :)
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The social credit score is actually closer to something like a credit rating
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Great video
I would say your reasons for Mao inciting the cultural revolution are a bit surface level. Mao was also reacting directly against the Party Leadership who was quickly making him irrelevant and he wanted the youth to become ungovernable by the party, and loyal to him, to teach the party who was really in charge.
Based on "trust me bro" 🙄🥱
@@GR3YS0RG4N1CSit's common knowledge Mao's main motive of lunching the cultural revolution was to take back power from the Liu Shaoqi faction.
@@leileijoker8465 so your source is "common knowledge"
@@blobfishmnmis this information that hard to believe not to mention you can look this up yourself 😂 this generation is doomed man
@@RedBeeZ6983 ok well first of all fI someone asks for a source, you don’t just go “no well it’s common knowledge”, also people like Mao, Lenin, and Stalin actively discouraged a cult of personality forming around them
If you think about it. Deng Jaoping could have easily introduced all those reforms to strengthen his own power. Such as term limits- he was never really in power himself. I think all he was, was in charge of the military tbh.
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I was 18 when this happened and have never forgotten the footage. I didn't know half of this background story though.
Can you make video on 6 day war
Massacre is when a whole battalion of tanks stops for a single person with shopping bags during a state of national emergency.
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I hope all freedom loving citizens of HK manage to immigrate before China is able to be this heavy handed with them
Many people who aspire to the UK have already gone to the UK to receive subsistence allowances, and we share the same stance and are all happy to see it succeed
@@user-fd1ne3jj3rI think the UK is a good balance between socialism and democracy. I can see a way for china to easily implement the same system within a 1 party state. UK is basically a 1 party state anyway. Government has been Tory for 10 years now.
@@Darkest_matterUK depends on American military protection, UK is not a good example to follow when they are broke😂
@@joebungus3447 lool we have a good army and airforce. only way americans can protect us is by dropping their pilots on enemy terriitory to cause an earthquake.
It's flipping hilarious that TEMU advertises during this video
that sort of underline that there is always a bitter story behind a cheap product from China...citizen and environment side...😢
0:46
“Aw, screw this! I just came over to buy some fireworks!”
I just seen that family guy thing on tiktok.
To summarise what happened here:
New government comes into power in the 70s and does lots to improve the country over the next decade or so and give more freedoms.
This eventually lead to the citizens looking at what they have and what the rest of the world has and saying "we want democracy".
This not only scared the government but also angered them, because after all the change and progress that had been made, the citizens still wanted more change (rightfully so, they wanted more freedoms).
So the government went very heavy handed with what happened then went to literal fanatic lengths to silence ANY information about it. This obviously had the exact OPPOSITE affect.
Basically the government got very emotional about that situation because they where absolutely convinced that the citizens loved them and that everybody was super happy.
This wasn't even close to the reality and this fact really angered them.
You mean they didn't buy the Chinese students protesting with ENGLISH SIGNS were speaking from a Chinese perspective and not capitulating to the anti-democratic capitalists in the US and western countries?
Color me surprised they didn't buy into the US backed color revolution with their English sloganeering and shit...
Cope harder.
Ironically, complete freedom (dissolution of the government) is the end goal of communism. The system that china claims to use.
Short answer: Commies gonna Commie.
If the tank driver would have smeared the guy standing in the way; would he have got in trouble?
I found your channel maybe a week ago. Stumbled upon some semi afro-history, fell Into a Jewish history rabbit hole, and stayed for everything else. Happy
I'm sorry you like being lied to to make yourself feel morally superior...
@@GR3YS0RG4N1CS wha 🤔
@@GR3YS0RG4N1CSWow a real life tankie!
the simple answer is students were revolting against the government. The government decided they didn't like it.
They were protesting against corruption in the government.
@@orbitalpotato9940 They were firebombing military personel and vehicles.
@@attilamarics3374 yup. They hung them over bridges and torched them alive as well
@@orbitalpotato9940that was military personnel or citizens who got hanged...?
@@rapeanumadalin2314 it was unarmed military personnel
What massacre?
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please do the Cultural Revolution i've never found a good video on it
İmmagine if a bunch of native Americans were murdered by the US military. I'm sure that it would fill the history books. They would probably call it the battle of wounded knee. And i have to look up the date now.
December 1890
Demonetised
Good vid
This is a good video of what would happen if a massacre happened in Tiananmen Square on the dates of April 15th to June 4th 1989.
Could the next one be about the violent Genoa G8 of 2001?
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dude please put a slight noise gate on your mic, it’ll reduce if not eliminate the electrical noise your mic has
2:41 well if Xi was denounced in that time period maybe Mao had a point. Xi Xinping definitely doesnt strike me as being as revolutionary as his predecessors. Also I didn't know Mao voluntarily left power, respectable if true I appreciate politicians willing to step down.
He NEVER voluntarily left. He held on to power until his last breath. He should’ve been exterminated and his corpse turned into ashes for all he did to terrify China
Grats on 100k!
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Awkward machine transition, to say the least.
If you want good propaganda, hire a native speaker
Im actually happy to see youve lost weight.....looking good man,hope youll make a video on pakistan Bangladesh history
Fed up with the adverts
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can you send me the subtitles of this video? this function this not work for me. Thanks!
You are using hong kong establishing shots, not Chinese
What are some examples of authoritarian systems that reform or are overthrown once they fall under the sway of democratic economic interests? Hawaii?
South Korea... When I hear about the 80s.. south Korea was a dictatorship and north Korea was the modern one.. how times have changed.
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Is it just me, or does the audio when he's talking keep decreasing and increasing? Like over and over, it just gets quieter and louder and quieter again constantly, or is that just me?
I think that's automatic gain..wich I would set it to manual and be careful with the mic...
I find it more interesting WHEN it's going to happen again. The country of this topic has developed very well after it opened up but we must remember that it is impossible to not grow well when you're so far behind. Many economic decisions have been less than good to put it mildly and there are many underlying economic problems. Continued low growth for the next decadeS is inevitable. Their government will surely not be able to pay pensions that people can life and pay medical care on as the effects of the one-child policy continue to worsen. There is going to be problems again one day and they will be "managed" the same way.
23:23 "expanding bullets, which were prohibited by international law for use in warfare" - odd thing to point out, given that this was not warfare, and many police forces, including all US police, use expanding bullets as their standard ammunition (the official rationale being that the prevention of overpenetration through the targeted person or physical structures reduces risk to bystanders).
you also kinda failed at explaining that the withdrawal of PLA troops from beijing had very little to do with the protesters gaining an upper hand - it was actually because the troops that had been deployed in bejing had been compromised in their command loyalty through their contact with the protesters, and the military and party leadership feared non-compliance and mutinies if they ordered those troops to massacre the protesters. they were withdrawn from beijing to prevent them from protecting the protesters, and new troops from elsewhere who had no prior contact with the protesters were transported to beijing and kept away from the protesters until they were ready to attack in order to ensure their compliance.
At that time, there was no difference in the use of firearms for military and police purposes in China,It's not as high as it was made。The competition between the Left-right political spectrum in the Communist Party has spread to the private sector, and it is just the high-level command
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4:08 that was Hua Guofeng, not Hu Yaobang
4:55 Im not quite sure of the timeline on this one so I could be wrong but if this was post glasnost and the collapse of the USSR then that is probably because by then they had seen the mass famines and economic fallout caused by the shock therapy deregulation of prices in Russia. It sucked. Edit: ah so it was before, never mind.
9:49 protests began and spread in "Hyphae"? Thats just perfect
I think he meant heibei?
I hope you can do a video on Xi Jinping, he is a fascinating figure with a very interesting story.
Unexpected heart attacks are the worst. I like to plan mine at least 3 months in advance.
Never heard of it.
There are rioters in every country.
Not in North Korea. The country that actually has a very bad government that needs to change in some way.
@@Darkest_matter They need a bloody revolution!
@@jackwraith3504 I've said this before... No outsiders intervene and let south Korea absorb the north into their country, or just turn it into a part of china. Either option would MASSIVELY improve the quality of life for the people living there.
@IbraheemProductionsgaming You are not considering about political gains but purely the well-being of their people. You are a very good person.
@@jackwraith3504 thanks brother.
I didn't know jschlatt had a historian channel
You mean why didn't it happen?
Weird how you uploaded a video with nothing on it
Wouldn't have happened if the people were all armed
Are you joking? At that time, China was a country where the whole people became militia, and most of them had guns and received training
25:51 =Yeah... The whole student Revolution thing felt counterproductive to me... Before that the government was wholly easing up, slowly moving to the right direction... Kinda like how Catherine the Great is doing in her time, then some intellectuals can't wait and want the damn to break immideately... Ending: Those in power who thought it was a good idea backtracked... At least that's how I understood it...
So its THE PROTESTERS fault
@@kaydenjones3183 Not really... I think it's something deeper than that... They started due to the belief that the professor's heart attack is not heart attack at all and that they believed it's an assassination... Who thought of that? Who disseminated that theory when there is no proof that it was indeed an assassination? If the government is easing up into the notion of slowly switching into a republic through this experiment, it would be counterproductive to do so right? It's honestly a curious case...
@@kaydenjones3183yeah. They didn't have any patience... So they recieved no virtue.
Why did what happen where?
well, definitely no vacationing at the place that's the topic of this video. I once did a test with my Chinese college mates in my masters program by showing them the picture of the tank man and asking if they knew what it was. they did not...
Show US college students a picture of Rodney King, do you think they would know what it is? All countries censor
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I dont know how i came across your youtube channel . But i would love to travel with you. I love history im just to retarded to break shit down . Thank you bro 🤧 im join your group when my check comes in
That book placement is a 100% intentionally
Why don't you show the unedited, uncropped tankman video?
I know right plus why not show the interview clip of the former Chinese president Jiang Zemin when he was asked about tankman
There's no full video of that Clip.
What's this, the video is just blank, there's nothing here
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what happened?