Recently found your channel. As someone with Roma heritage and subsequent ancestral victims of the Holocaust, or Porajmos as we call it, thank you. Thank you so much. I'll definitely show this to others. ♡
A minor correction but this is a fairly popula rmyth so I'd like to address it. At around 6:18, you say that Germany was held solely responsible for WW1. That is false. The guilt clause stipulates that Germany and her allies are to take full responsibility for the war. As for why Germany was specifically mentioned, it's because the treaty of Versailles dealt with Germany specifically This clause was copied directly, word for word into the treaty od Saint-Germain (the peace treaty with Austria), just substituting "Germany" for "Austria". I'm not sure whether the same clause exists withing the treaty of Trianon since I couldn't find its content on a short notice. It's understandable why the treaty of Versailles gets so much attention considering it served as a base for the following treaties with central powers and it played a role in the Nazi propaganda (as you talk about it in this very video), but let's not forget about Saint-Germain or Trianon - the treaties that were even harsher than Versailles. After all, the biggest reason for why Versailles is so widely talked about is that Germany managed to pick itself up and made talking about it much more relevant after it was signed. It is something that neither Austria nor Hungary were capable of doing. Other than this, it is an extremely well done and extremely important documentary and I hope more people will see it. Thank you for talking about this on a platform that isn't the most welcoming for this type of content. It's a shame I only found it now.
Lord yes he did! He was an actor too and had an awesome sense of humor on top of being funny himself , if you watch Don Rickles’ full on roast of him at the SOTU you can hear Ron just DYING laughing
Some recent evidence I can think of is a documentary mini-series called "The Devil's Confession: The Lost Eichmann Tapes" about Eichmann talking with a Holocaust denier in Argentina, and instead of agreeing with him, instead telling things like they were in reality. I think it's possible to get access to these tapes now, that used to be in the possession of the Eichmann family in Austria during the trial.
as a far leftist I will happily leave it at French communists being French (Less jokingly Anti-Semitism is indeed a problem on the left that it does have problems reckoning with)
I told a joke that got me kicked from school for a week. My dad made me watch Schindlers list and eat bread/ bologna until I went back. Cleaver is not always right and most people don't know how to tell the difference. Or, they are ignorant of the full weight of what men can do to each other
@@ninjawizard3865 Americans probably felt like if he wanna kill his people lettem after ww2 they acted like the didn’t kno what was happening to the Jews but cap they know everything
I find it unsettling how common a sort of pseudo denial(claiming the allies were just as bad) is on the internet, particularly in arab and indian groups.
The problem is that it's easier to disguise than outright denial. There is a solid argument to be made that Allied war crimes tend to get ignored in favour of a more simplistic "good vs evil" historical narrative (not that the Nazis weren't evil, mind) but most of the time people who pull this argument out online aren't doing it because they care about nuanc
@@SpoopySquid I agree! I tend to find that it is mostly people from the indian subcontinent and south east asia who like to suggest such moral equivalencies
While we are on the topic of Asia, why isn’t the Rape of Nanking brought up more in the west? That was a horrific thing that happened in Chinese Front of WW2 that affects China-Japan relations to modern day.
I understand the Anti-zionism in the middle east and why so many are holocaust deniers in the first place. But that doesn't obscure the fact of modern-day Isreal literally writting into its law to exlude palestinians and other Arabs from certain rights and continual annexation of Palestinian lands. You can be critical of Isreal and its anti-arab policies and some Arab states' Anti-semitism. Don't show one side is hostile when the other is very much so.
Nazis and palestinians are not on the same side. I, as an israeli, think that the actions of israel are unjustified, and that a comprimise is needed in the middle east
Similar things happen in other parts of the world, because things like what happened in Guatemala and how Israel helped the militar goverments of Guatemala to, ironically, genocide the indigenous people of the country, the same in many other contrys around the world by selling guns or sharing their expirience in killing ethnics.
@@nco_gets_it kind of, Gaza is preventing it currently. They provoke Israel, promote intifadas, and constantly bomb them, which elects people like Netanyahu. So yes, Israel is the problem, but due to aggression from Hamas as well as religiosity in both Palestine and Israel. You can't just blame it all on one nation.
@jerky your argument says out of of nothing Palestine decided to wage war against Israel, well they are definitely fighting for something care to find out what it is
I am very glad you‘re making videos on these kinds of subjects. Definitely something to be more aware of, especially in the internet age. Thanks again for having me!
In my school we werent allowed to see "explicit or graphic media" so we couldnt see videos or photos of the holocaust bc yall know...lots of graphic and explicit videos and photos. One of my teachers used to show us Schindlers List or other movies but hid the TV when administrators came by. Others made it mandatory for us to watch documentaries and movies at home with family and friends and write about it. They couldnt show us but they talked about it in length. And bc the schools had rules about "if you talk about 1 controversy you must talk about others in equal length" my teachers talk about other things like the Native America relocations, the Armenian and Rwandan genocide, the Ukrainian Famine, etc. In college our professor showed up graphic primary videos of the Trials and soldier's videos of the liberation of the camps. Im thankful my educators went around the school rules to make sure we knew what happened.
its crazy to me that schools will restrict this sort of stuff, like how holocaust books such as Maus or the diary of anne frank get banned in many schools. the subject is "too graphic" to teach, yet its something the jewish students likely already know a great deal about. and some of the non jewish students may have already been taught antisemitism at home. so it does no one any good not to teach the stuff. we cant just pretend kids dont know anything about the holocaust or antisemitism bc a lot of them do and we should make sure that what they know is the truth
I've been studying the holocaust since I was 5 years old. I'm not Jewish but my great grandmother did come from Poland shortly before German invasion. I've done 2 different term papers on various topics in this subject. This is so good.
A shocking island of thorough historiography and surgical ideology-analysis. The world needs more of it. Not enough people do it. Just found your channel and I'm largely impressed. I imagine this as being the sort of stuff UA-cam was made for.
Greetings, why did Greek police arrest protesters at the Olympics? Does Greece have a royal family? Did ancient Greece have toilet paper substitutes? Thank you in advance for any answers.
@@hatelovenothing2744 That's a lot of questions. Well, about the protesters, I honestly don't remember. Greek police tends to arrest protesters and there have been several cases of charges against arrested protesters that were dropped afterwards. Greece has a royal family that is actually Danish. In 1862, the second son of King Christian IX of Denmark was installed in the throne of Greece as King George I. The family, as all royal families, intermarried with royalty all over Europe. Most famous examples are Prince Philp of England, the late husband of Queen Elizabeth and Queen Sophia of Spain, the wife of former King Juan Carlos. Monarchy was abolished in 1974 and it does not have any supporters today. It is mostly viewed as a chapter of the past, quite quirky, but not exactly positive. About toilet paper now, I'd have to go with small stones or pieces of ceramic, same things Romans used. I'm happy you are interested in Greek history :)
@@mariannasfakianaki5727 Hello, which were the most used army doctrines in Greece during WW2? I'm studying Tukhachevsky's deep battle and the German blitzkrieg, so I'd like to get an insight from an expert about what the Greeks used.
You Greeks should start lobbying for Greek Genocide recognition, and do it like the Jews, to bring awareness about the turkish-seljuk-ottoman war crimes committed against your people. 750K Greek lives perished by the turks (from the hamidians to the kemalists) must not be ignored.
16:45 I was gonna leave it a French communists being French and leave it at that. But in all seriousness the way you explained it makes a lot of sense. It was partisanship and politics that led them to deny the Holocaust in that context. While it wouldn’t make sense for a left wing publisher in the 21st century to publish that, especially in the English speaking world, at that time and place it does make sense. Historical context ftw!
demon2441 oh antisemitism is most definitely a thing on the left, although often I find people who highlight this from outside the left aren’t doing so in good faith and often trying to discredit leftists support for the Palestinians. But even if we (rightfully) ignore the bad faith accusations, you’ll still find issues with antisemitism on the left, especially in countries that have a much bigger societal issue with antisemitism, like France, Russia, the Middle East and Latin America. It’s also, disturbingly, not uncommon to see antisemites on the left use support for Palestine to mask their antisemitism or sidestep the issue.
I think its a bit silly to try and make any connection between their politics and denialism. At the end of the day this kind of tin hattery is no more or less compatible with communism than it is with capitalism. There is equal potential for wankery at any point on the political spectrum.
@@Taurmin it's not to with any type of government it's the people that over history have run the worlds biggest business that have push the goverments to do what they what or they will stop giving them money
When I was in highschool my teacher showed us a french documentary that I think was made around the 50's I think. The whole class read the subtitles but all I could think about was the anger in the narrators voice when all the horrible video and photos of the corpses.
I always want to make sure that i watch a video to the end before i leave a comment, and wow this video has to be the best one you have ever made. I was fairly shocked that so many communists have taken part of this also, just for a chance to spit on Stalin. And i completely agree that education is very important on this issue, we must make sure children are well educated and understand the full gravity of this tragedy.
I fully agree, Education is the best weapon, our children need to learn the full truths about historic events, bad or good. Most importantly they need to be taught how to go about learning these truths, meaning, how to investigate history through proper research.
A great piece of work and expanded my understanding of the history of denial. We had a master at school who was a quasi Holocaust denier and he stood for parliament as a liberal in the UK. Still the UKS Liberal Democrats (as they are now known has a strong anti-semitic element in their party, as do the Labour Party and the Greens...oh dear). It made me very angry as my Polish Slavic grandfather was marched off to a Concentration Camp (not an extermination camp but it killed him anyway) for the crime of being a Polish teacher and a Slav (next in line for extermination after the Jews). His service in the Imperial German Army on WW1 had no effect on this. My father flew with RAF Bomber Command and later the US 9th Air Force against the Nazis, so we got our revenge. You are doing great work please keep it up.
You believe myths. I'm Polish and Ukrainian and take history seriously, as it's my greatest passion. You will NOT find hard core truth on UA-cam. I will gladly share info with you to research for yourself. They never said Slavs were inferior. "They" want Europeans divided and their plan worked. This is why we are being replaced.
@@Dani92670 So you are saying my grandfather was never marched off to his death or my Dad's cousin was never sterilised at Ravensbruck. You are saying all the Nazi written material on the Slavs being a sub-race are forgerie? I look to the real evidence of my family's experience and the documentary evidence, not UA-cam. All you seem to do is spout anti-semitic Conspiracy Theories which defame your Slavic heritage. You are the one believing myths.
i wish this video had more views. very well put together. of course, the video without a doubt got suppressed in algorithm. most serious analytical videos deal with this fate.
12:06 Exactly, one would have assumed that Germany would be among the first to deny it. That doesn't seem to be the case at all. There was simply a large degree of silence over it the first two decades following the war. With the surviving perpetrators obviously wanting to avoid prosecution, the rest of the population simply not wishing to talk about it, but denial? Nowhere near it.
Thanks for this video. Really informative and your passion for the truth is really admirable. Only thing I noticed was that your audio for you talking to the camera and your narration were different volumes or bitrates and scared the crap out of me when they changed lol
I have to commend you on your Genius way to explain a very complicated issue that spend many many decades and it's twists and turns and expense through the spectrum of politics and international and ethnic and nationalist perspectives it's just really fantastic what you've done! I am Jewish and I have been very interested in anti-Semitism throughout the ages how it originated and how it's shifted and evolved through time and I think that this is one of the best perspectives and explanations of modern day anti-semitism through the lens of Holocaust denialism that I've ever come across so I have to thank you for this thank you very much!
1- If I am not mistaken , we have recordings of him mocking the victims with his friends . 2- I did not say Liberalism was inherently good nor did I mention any Conservatism .I simply said that he ruined the first one .
This is why no matter how offensive you think someone's views are they have to have the ability to say them not to cause you to believe them or have to agree with them but for the purpose of dismantling the position. If this has found a holding to today, all censorship is going to do is legitimize their view point. "See they are silencing us because they know we have the truth!" Sunlight has always been the best disinfectant.
I hate the fact that books are banned/scrubbed from history. The best way to out these insane asinine people is to scrutinize their work with vigor. Let the light shine on their ignorance
A very well done video on a revolting topic. Always interesting to see how humans can come up with an idea that neonazis, marxists and islamists can all agree on. Hatred of Jews is a very ancient and hard to fight disease with no known cure. You would think that education could mitigate the influence of these vile ideas, but as we get further away from the generation that experienced WWII and most gen-z-ers don't even known when it took place and who fought who in that war, this is going to be hard battle to win. The ONLY thing decent human beings can do is to make sure it doesn't happen again. Making sure Iran (with their chants of death to Israel and goal of wiping Israel off the map) doesn't get the means to do so (i.e. nukes) is the lesson we all need to teach and act on.
its sad that nowadays knowledge is being suppressed and people dont know the real truth, nor do they open their minds to try to investigate why and how these things happen. i think you are doing the right thing by being truthful and honest. thank you i really appreciated this. keep being real!! its all we have left!!
Your video was very well done. The work you've done is some of the best I've seen on UA-cam as a whole. I'm surprised you don't have a million followers, and I believe that more so is a reflection of faulty algorithm than your content's quality. I appreciate how thorough your research was. I especially liked how you referenced a book, but instead of offering today's review of it, offered a critical review of it from within a few years of the book's original publication. Though that should be a standard thing for historians, it has become a trend now to assess everything with modern thinking. I see this with professional and amateur historians. I felt like your video offered many different angles and perspectives that helped paint a more accurate and vivid picture of that time period. Which is the whole point of a historian's work! You want to be taken back in time to see things as they saw it to better understand how point a became point b, that's how we learn! Keep up the good work and I look forward to watching more of your videos on a number of different subject matters.
An incredible documentary on the topic, congratulations. I'm finding difficult to believe it has so few views, is it having issues with UA-cam's algorithm?
That depends on how exactly you mean that. There are numerous versions of any particular ideology. To suggest that 1 one of those versions is not a version is where the no true Scotsman fallacy comes in. For example, mormonism is a sect of Christianity. If I take one of their beliefs that is out of the norm of Christianity in general and say that they're not true christians, that's a fallacy. If I point out that the belief is unique to their sect, it is not a fallacy. Marx views were a form of anarcho-socialism characterized by egalitarianism and an absence of government. This is clearly different from the strong man, authoritarian form of socialism that has gripped much of Asia and South America. Yet to argue either is not socialism is fallacious and ultimately comes down to definitions.
Re-watching this video there is one thing I definitely think you missed, and that’s when discussing the sort of “soft Holocaust denial” practiced by the USSR, I think you forget the importance of Soviet nationalism and why the Soviets framed the Holocaust in the way they did. To say the second world war, or rather as they call it the “great patriotic war”, was a major factor informing Soviet nationalism would be a colossal understatement, and that also really informs present-day Russian nationalism as well. For the Soviet union, they wanted to incorporate every aspect of the second world war into that nationalist narrative, and by portraying the Holocaust as being carried out by fascists against communists (and by extension the USSR) It becomes much easier to incorporate into the overall narrative of the war.
That voice you were doing when reading that Harry Barnes quote was too distracting. I get why you used it, at least I think I do, but it was a bit much.
It's not necessarily fair to place all of the blame on Germany for starting World war 1 but using the lies and propaganda from that war to accuse the allies of lying about atrocities committed in the second World war is honestly stupid.
Tell it to people like Mel gibson’s father he is/was a denier Mel never condemned him if anything Mel spewed his hate to the point it could. O longer be covered up by his pr team
As a point of interest our education on the Holocaust that sticks we me are 1. A period documentary and a teacher who toured a camp as a young soldier.
Nice. Can you do the same thing but with the Holodomor? The Holodomor was a famine genocide against Ukrainians perpetrated by Soviet Russians and Joseph Stalin started from 1932 to 1933 with Kyiv Oblast being the worst affected. Holodomor denial is Ukrainophobia and it deserves to be treated as Hate Speech, as a crime and as deeply offensive and repulsive the same way as Holocaust denial
I have no problems with laws against Holocaust denial. After all, it was while he was prosecuted under these laws that David Irving suddenly recanted his Holocaust denial. So whether you agree with them or not, they do have an effect against Holocaust denial. But what I really try to do is not focus on Holocaust denial but on Holocaust truth, as the law of attraction says to focus on what you want, not what you don’t want.
“Pacifism is objectively pro-fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side, you automatically help out that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, 'he that is not with me is against me’.” - George Orwell While Orwell was obviously talking about World War II, it is just as applicable to those conflicts in which the good and bad are clear to anyone with brain cells, e.g., Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and its attempted genocide of Ukrainians, the fascist terrorist Islamist regime holding Iran hostage and committing a decades-long genocide of the Iranian people, China and the CCP’s genocide of the Uyghurs and just about anyone who isn’t Han Chinese. I could go on and on, but I’m too depressed. God bless you and thank you for your tireless efforts. You’re a good lad.
That news personality that you associated with Ernst Zundel, is Gord Martineau, the news anchorman for CITY TV news, in Toronto. I can assure you that he is no Holocaust denier. ...& what's with showing Pierre Trudeau, present PM Trudeau's dad?
@@Libertyjack1 Also Frank Marshall Davis is Barack Obama's biological father. Because Davis was a citizen at the time of Barack's Obama's birth he was eligible to be president since that would make both of his parents citizens at the time of his birth and was born on U.S. soil.
Just Sub'd . Im enjoying the channel but does anyone else get reminded of Ricky Bobby's interview in talladega nights when he says "Im not sure what to do with my hands" when he cuts back to explain things himself? 🤣😂
Please dismiss this comment if youve already done this but I highly suggest you keep the gain levels on your mic or audio interface the same between takes, take a picture or write it down, and then use a compressor on the master to even out the dynamic range so that in between cuts we aren't jump scared by volume differences in your voice. Otherwise, amazing work here, thank you for making this.
As a European (there are few weird laws here..), I believe freedom of speech should be protecting ideas and opinions (with some exceptions) but not disproving reality and arguing with facts.
The way you described leftist claiming "what capitalism does is actualy worse" as part of denial reminds me of denial of the Bosnian genocide. I guess they have a tbing for denying atrocities.
Logically speaking, arguments are either deductively sound or inductively cogent, or they aren't. And you must evaluate the evidence for yourself before you can confidently decide which is the case. Calling an argument "denial " or "conspiracy theory" does not change that fact.
Because ideas are incredibly powerful and recently for sure holocaust denial has been more obvious with the internet etc. I think ignoring it won't make the problem go away
I don’t think he is blindly arguing his points. Most of the time he will present motivations and beliefs relating to the opposing side of the argument. Also, if I think murder is wrong (which I do), it is completely justified to blindly and angrily defend points against people who believe murder is right. It is the same thing in this scenario. There is a philosophical point known as the paradox of tolerance, in which people need to be intolerant of intolerance in order for true tolerance to be preserved. While I don’t always agree with this philosophy (especially in some cases where the government would be involved and could limit free speech) because I think it just stokes the flames, it can be applicable to Holocaust denial.
@ 4:07, you refer to the "primordial soup." I get it: you believe in Darwin's (obviously flawed) theory. As it happens, I DO believe in "evolution," in general terms. No scientist on Earth can explain how an Ameba evolved a tail, since the tail requires 8 genetic mutations to occur SIMULTANEOUSY! Darwin argued that 1 or 2 mutations would occur over time. There is NO explanation for eight. simultaneously...
You cannot change someone's mind who doesn't want to consider that they are wrong. In their fantasy world they are right and everyone who disagrees is either stupid or evil. They need to believe that because it holds up their self image of being a superior kind of human. If you debate such a person publically you give them a platform, the opportunity to spread more misinformation. They don't care about looking like they are right, but like you are an annoying pendant, correcting them makes you look bad to the kind of people they want to reach. And debating them privately is also unnecessary since you won't convince them and just wreck your mental health. To prevent this stuff from persisting and spreading we need to deplatform and improve education. If people already know the facts and truth supremacists don't have an audience to convince of their lies.
Debate really only ever changes the minds of the audience at best. Plus debate tactics can also make something completely untrue seem more true. For example if some flerfer starts spewing out a million different talking points to someone, their opponent can only cover one topic at a time. So the flerfer can just shift the goalposts and say "What about the other topics?" and act like they won.
@Rct3master44 the minds of the audience are the most important ones to change. Assuming they are too stupid to suss out the truth, and not be pulled in by false talking points, makes you look arrogant, and makes the more paranoid among us think you have something to hide, or are afraid your arguments won't hold up to scrutiny. It literally drives significant portions of the masses into the arms of the revisionists. I have a very difficult time believing that the anti-debate position is rooted in anything more than intellectual laziness and an unwillingness to confront the (small) things in the official Holocaust narrative that actually are false. The deniers will continue to gain ground in the hearts and minds of the people until folks like you either wise up or find within yourselves the gumption to take up an unwanted task.
Thanks for making this.
Yup
Oh wow hey mr beat,didn't expect to see you here.
Recently found your channel. As someone with Roma heritage and subsequent ancestral victims of the Holocaust, or Porajmos as we call it, thank you. Thank you so much. I'll definitely show this to others. ♡
Anybody calling you the G word, can go screw himself, especially if he's either German, Russian, Turk or Arab...
A minor correction but this is a fairly popula rmyth so I'd like to address it. At around 6:18, you say that Germany was held solely responsible for WW1. That is false. The guilt clause stipulates that Germany and her allies are to take full responsibility for the war. As for why Germany was specifically mentioned, it's because the treaty of Versailles dealt with Germany specifically This clause was copied directly, word for word into the treaty od Saint-Germain (the peace treaty with Austria), just substituting "Germany" for "Austria". I'm not sure whether the same clause exists withing the treaty of Trianon since I couldn't find its content on a short notice. It's understandable why the treaty of Versailles gets so much attention considering it served as a base for the following treaties with central powers and it played a role in the Nazi propaganda (as you talk about it in this very video), but let's not forget about Saint-Germain or Trianon - the treaties that were even harsher than Versailles. After all, the biggest reason for why Versailles is so widely talked about is that Germany managed to pick itself up and made talking about it much more relevant after it was signed. It is something that neither Austria nor Hungary were capable of doing.
Other than this, it is an extremely well done and extremely important documentary and I hope more people will see it. Thank you for talking about this on a platform that isn't the most welcoming for this type of content. It's a shame I only found it now.
People always say Germany got it the worst but seeing as the other central powers stopped existing I'd argue its relative.
God damn, Ronald Reagan had an amazing voice
BloodRider 1914 and some good hair I would’ve voted for Reagan just, because of those two reasons.
What he won’t tell you is that he carried out his own massacres in Central America. He was as bloodthirsty as any world leader.
@@overbeb A bit over dramatic? Reagan had his faults, but this is the first time I've ever heard bloodthirsty!
Lord yes he did! He was an actor too and had an awesome sense of humor on top of being funny himself , if you watch Don Rickles’ full on roast of him at the SOTU you can hear Ron just DYING laughing
@@MikeMiller-cq7tu Look up the el Mozote massacre.
Some recent evidence I can think of is a documentary mini-series called "The Devil's Confession: The Lost Eichmann Tapes" about Eichmann talking with a Holocaust denier in Argentina, and instead of agreeing with him, instead telling things like they were in reality. I think it's possible to get access to these tapes now, that used to be in the possession of the Eichmann family in Austria during the trial.
P.S. Ur ending snark abt ur research materials was hilarious! XD
Yes, I liked ur video & will share...might even donate; you'd be the first.
Use your money for truth - not this.
Outstanding video. Really well done and fascinating.
This was brilliant and comprehensive, Thank you
as a far leftist I will happily leave it at French communists being French
(Less jokingly Anti-Semitism is indeed a problem on the left that it does have problems reckoning with)
I told a joke that got me kicked from school for a week. My dad made me watch Schindlers list and eat bread/ bologna until I went back.
Cleaver is not always right and most people don't know how to tell the difference. Or, they are ignorant of the full weight of what men can do to each other
Great video, my great great uncle was one of the first American soldiers to enter Dachau. Her told me a lot about it. These death camps were real.
These death camps were real but let's let stalin keep his, good job Allies.
@@ninjawizard3865 Americans probably felt like if he wanna kill his people lettem after ww2 they acted like the didn’t kno what was happening to the Jews but cap they know everything
The irony of the ihr being set on fire and losing a lot of knowledge and important things is, I hope, not lost on anyone.
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What the hell has Donald Trump to do with Holocaust Denial? This is just Trump hate, yes?
You do know the guy who runs this channel is a conservative right
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Your map of Europe is really inaccurate.
Excellent video
I find it unsettling how common a sort of pseudo denial(claiming the allies were just as bad) is on the internet, particularly in arab and indian groups.
The problem is that it's easier to disguise than outright denial. There is a solid argument to be made that Allied war crimes tend to get ignored in favour of a more simplistic "good vs evil" historical narrative (not that the Nazis weren't evil, mind) but most of the time people who pull this argument out online aren't doing it because they care about nuanc
@@SpoopySquid I agree!
I tend to find that it is mostly people from the indian subcontinent and south east asia who like to suggest such moral equivalencies
While we are on the topic of Asia, why isn’t the Rape of Nanking brought up more in the west? That was a horrific thing that happened in Chinese Front of WW2 that affects China-Japan relations to modern day.
@@benjaminaraya8073 It is brought up, a lot... And nobody deny's it unlike asia where it is hip to dress as nazis in some circles.
Very casual
I understand the Anti-zionism in the middle east and why so many are holocaust deniers in the first place. But that doesn't obscure the fact of modern-day Isreal literally writting into its law to exlude palestinians and other Arabs from certain rights and continual annexation of Palestinian lands. You can be critical of Isreal and its anti-arab policies and some Arab states' Anti-semitism. Don't show one side is hostile when the other is very much so.
Nazis and palestinians are not on the same side. I, as an israeli, think that the actions of israel are unjustified, and that a comprimise is needed in the middle east
Similar things happen in other parts of the world, because things like what happened in Guatemala and how Israel helped the militar goverments of Guatemala to, ironically, genocide the indigenous people of the country, the same in many other contrys around the world by selling guns or sharing their expirience in killing ethnics.
@@SumSum030 You are aware that it is not your nation preventing "compromise", right?
@@nco_gets_it kind of, Gaza is preventing it currently. They provoke Israel, promote intifadas, and constantly bomb them, which elects people like Netanyahu. So yes, Israel is the problem, but due to aggression from Hamas as well as religiosity in both Palestine and Israel. You can't just blame it all on one nation.
@jerky your argument says out of of nothing Palestine decided to wage war against Israel, well they are definitely fighting for something care to find out what it is
Does it justify what has happened since 1948 .
To have a national home land in Palestine is not to have a state based on apartheid .
What “aparthid”😂
And there it is: The reason Holocaust Denialism is gaining more appeal- Palestine simps.
@@samuelthegreatoo Agreed 100%
I am very glad you‘re making videos on these kinds of subjects. Definitely something to be more aware of, especially in the internet age. Thanks again for having me!
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In my school we werent allowed to see "explicit or graphic media" so we couldnt see videos or photos of the holocaust bc yall know...lots of graphic and explicit videos and photos.
One of my teachers used to show us Schindlers List or other movies but hid the TV when administrators came by. Others made it mandatory for us to watch documentaries and movies at home with family and friends and write about it. They couldnt show us but they talked about it in length. And bc the schools had rules about "if you talk about 1 controversy you must talk about others in equal length" my teachers talk about other things like the Native America relocations, the Armenian and Rwandan genocide, the Ukrainian Famine, etc.
In college our professor showed up graphic primary videos of the Trials and soldier's videos of the liberation of the camps.
Im thankful my educators went around the school rules to make sure we knew what happened.
its crazy to me that schools will restrict this sort of stuff, like how holocaust books such as Maus or the diary of anne frank get banned in many schools. the subject is "too graphic" to teach, yet its something the jewish students likely already know a great deal about. and some of the non jewish students may have already been taught antisemitism at home. so it does no one any good not to teach the stuff. we cant just pretend kids dont know anything about the holocaust or antisemitism bc a lot of them do and we should make sure that what they know is the truth
I've been studying the holocaust since I was 5 years old. I'm not Jewish but my great grandmother did come from Poland shortly before German invasion. I've done 2 different term papers on various topics in this subject. This is so good.
Please learn the truth if you care. My great grand parents came here from Poland.
A shocking island of thorough historiography and surgical ideology-analysis. The world needs more of it. Not enough people do it. Just found your channel and I'm largely impressed. I imagine this as being the sort of stuff UA-cam was made for.
History teacher from Greece here. Thank you for this video, you gave me a few good ideas to use in classroom.
Greetings, why did Greek police arrest protesters at the Olympics? Does Greece have a royal family? Did ancient Greece have toilet paper substitutes? Thank you in advance for any answers.
@@hatelovenothing2744 That's a lot of questions. Well, about the protesters, I honestly don't remember. Greek police tends to arrest protesters and there have been several cases of charges against arrested protesters that were dropped afterwards. Greece has a royal family that is actually Danish. In 1862, the second son of King Christian IX of Denmark was installed in the throne of Greece as King George I. The family, as all royal families, intermarried with royalty all over Europe. Most famous examples are Prince Philp of England, the late husband of Queen Elizabeth and Queen Sophia of Spain, the wife of former King Juan Carlos. Monarchy was abolished in 1974 and it does not have any supporters today. It is mostly viewed as a chapter of the past, quite quirky, but not exactly positive. About toilet paper now, I'd have to go with small stones or pieces of ceramic, same things Romans used. I'm happy you are interested in Greek history :)
@@mariannasfakianaki5727 Thanks for answering. 💛🎩
@@mariannasfakianaki5727 Hello, which were the most used army doctrines in Greece during WW2? I'm studying Tukhachevsky's deep battle and the German blitzkrieg, so I'd like to get an insight from an expert about what the Greeks used.
You Greeks should start lobbying for Greek Genocide recognition, and do it like the Jews, to bring awareness about the turkish-seljuk-ottoman war crimes committed against your people.
750K Greek lives perished by the turks (from the hamidians to the kemalists) must not be ignored.
16:45 I was gonna leave it a French communists being French and leave it at that. But in all seriousness the way you explained it makes a lot of sense. It was partisanship and politics that led them to deny the Holocaust in that context. While it wouldn’t make sense for a left wing publisher in the 21st century to publish that, especially in the English speaking world, at that time and place it does make sense. Historical context ftw!
I don't know about that. Some people who identify as left wing are flirting with antisemitism these days.
demon2441 oh antisemitism is most definitely a thing on the left, although often I find people who highlight this from outside the left aren’t doing so in good faith and often trying to discredit leftists support for the Palestinians. But even if we (rightfully) ignore the bad faith accusations, you’ll still find issues with antisemitism on the left, especially in countries that have a much bigger societal issue with antisemitism, like France, Russia, the Middle East and Latin America. It’s also, disturbingly, not uncommon to see antisemites on the left use support for Palestine to mask their antisemitism or sidestep the issue.
I think its a bit silly to try and make any connection between their politics and denialism. At the end of the day this kind of tin hattery is no more or less compatible with communism than it is with capitalism. There is equal potential for wankery at any point on the political spectrum.
@@Taurmin "potential for wankery on any point on the political spectrum" lmao, im going to start use that.
@@Taurmin it's not to with any type of government it's the people that over history have run the worlds biggest business that have push the goverments to do what they what or they will stop giving them money
When I was in highschool my teacher showed us a french documentary that I think was made around the 50's I think. The whole class read the subtitles but all I could think about was the anger in the narrators voice when all the horrible video and photos of the corpses.
I always want to make sure that i watch a video to the end before i leave a comment, and wow this video has to be the best one you have ever made. I was fairly shocked that so many communists have taken part of this also, just for a chance to spit on Stalin. And i completely agree that education is very important on this issue, we must make sure children are well educated and understand the full gravity of this tragedy.
The irony is that communists were also persecuted by the Holocaust.
I fully agree, Education is the best weapon, our children need to learn the full truths about historic events, bad or good. Most importantly they need to be taught how to go about learning these truths, meaning, how to investigate history through proper research.
Stalin did nothing wrong
A great piece of work and expanded my understanding of the history of denial. We had a master at school who was a quasi Holocaust denier and he stood for parliament as a liberal in the UK. Still the UKS Liberal Democrats (as they are now known has a strong anti-semitic element in their party, as do the Labour Party and the Greens...oh dear).
It made me very angry as my Polish Slavic grandfather was marched off to a Concentration Camp (not an extermination camp but it killed him anyway) for the crime of being a Polish teacher and a Slav (next in line for extermination after the Jews). His service in the Imperial German Army on WW1 had no effect on this. My father flew with RAF Bomber Command and later the US 9th Air Force against the Nazis, so we got our revenge.
You are doing great work please keep it up.
You believe myths. I'm Polish and Ukrainian and take history seriously, as it's my greatest passion. You will NOT find hard core truth on UA-cam. I will gladly share info with you to research for yourself. They never said Slavs were inferior. "They" want Europeans divided and their plan worked. This is why we are being replaced.
@@Dani92670 So you are saying my grandfather was never marched off to his death or my Dad's cousin was never sterilised at Ravensbruck. You are saying all the Nazi written material on the Slavs being a sub-race are forgerie? I look to the real evidence of my family's experience and the documentary evidence, not UA-cam. All you seem to do is spout anti-semitic Conspiracy Theories which defame your Slavic heritage. You are the one believing myths.
Hate Reagan, but when he's right, he's right
He wasn’t about this one though
i wish this video had more views. very well put together. of course, the video without a doubt got suppressed in algorithm. most serious analytical videos deal with this fate.
This did more justice on dealing with holocaust denial than my history of the holocaust class
This is really high quality, but anything about this subject just gets buried by the UA-cam algorithm
Many thanks for making this video! Very insightful, and not catering to anybody, that’s why I watch you. You call how you see it.
Amazing video but i will continue to debate deniers
Good for you. I'm with you as well. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
@GrudziadzPoland1 do you have Twitter? Or if you want join the Skeptic society forum and let's talk there
12:06 Exactly, one would have assumed that Germany would be among the first to deny it. That doesn't seem to be the case at all. There was simply a large degree of silence over it the first two decades following the war. With the surviving perpetrators obviously wanting to avoid prosecution, the rest of the population simply not wishing to talk about it, but denial? Nowhere near it.
It’s almost as if Germany has been a vassal state of the various Allies ever since the end of WW2.
Being fair, it makes sense they didn't try so soon as it was still vividly in their memories.
So it went from mostly being anti-Semitic to facist and back to anti-Semitic? I mean it was always anti-Semitic but the main draw shifted.
Thanks for this video. Really informative and your passion for the truth is really admirable. Only thing I noticed was that your audio for you talking to the camera and your narration were different volumes or bitrates and scared the crap out of me when they changed lol
Got to love UA-cam. The sidebar also shows, after subscribing to the Casual Historian, recommended videos from the Cynical Historian. :P
I have to commend you on your Genius way to explain a very complicated issue that spend many many decades and it's twists and turns and expense through the spectrum of politics and international and ethnic and nationalist perspectives it's just really fantastic what you've done!
I am Jewish and I have been very interested in anti-Semitism throughout the ages how it originated and how it's shifted and evolved through time and I think that this is one of the best perspectives and explanations of modern day anti-semitism through the lens of Holocaust denialism that I've ever come across so I have to thank you for this thank you very much!
To think I would agree with Reagan .
The heck is wrong with that? It's okay to agree with people whose politics are disagreeable with you.
1- If I am not mistaken , we have recordings of him mocking the victims with his friends .
2- I did not say Liberalism was inherently good nor did I mention any Conservatism .I simply said that he ruined the first one .
Reagan also carried out acts of mass killing. Funded and armed death squads all over Central America.
@@NormanMStewart will Wilson wasnt even a liberal tho. He was a self described progressive.
Thanks - I will pay it forward. I know many history teachers - I will share this with them
This is why no matter how offensive you think someone's views are they have to have the ability to say them not to cause you to believe them or have to agree with them but for the purpose of dismantling the position. If this has found a holding to today, all censorship is going to do is legitimize their view point. "See they are silencing us because they know we have the truth!"
Sunlight has always been the best disinfectant.
The right of speech is self evident. The sun light is the best disinfectant defense is for that reason completely unnecessary.
I hate the fact that books are banned/scrubbed from history. The best way to out these insane asinine people is to scrutinize their work with vigor. Let the light shine on their ignorance
Which is really easy even with just a small amount of research.
A very well done video on a revolting topic. Always interesting to see how humans can come up with an idea that neonazis, marxists and islamists can all agree on. Hatred of Jews is a very ancient and hard to fight disease with no known cure. You would think that education could mitigate the influence of these vile ideas, but as we get further away from the generation that experienced WWII and most gen-z-ers don't even known when it took place and who fought who in that war, this is going to be hard battle to win. The ONLY thing decent human beings can do is to make sure it doesn't happen again. Making sure Iran (with their chants of death to Israel and goal of wiping Israel off the map) doesn't get the means to do so (i.e. nukes) is the lesson we all need to teach and act on.
11:05 cynical historian
40:11 mr beat
You are absolutely great at this - keep them coming!
its sad that nowadays knowledge is being suppressed and people dont know the real truth, nor do they open their minds to try to investigate why and how these things happen. i think you are doing the right thing by being truthful and honest. thank you i really appreciated this.
keep being real!! its all we have left!!
Your video was very well done. The work you've done is some of the best I've seen on UA-cam as a whole. I'm surprised you don't have a million followers, and I believe that more so is a reflection of faulty algorithm than your content's quality. I appreciate how thorough your research was. I especially liked how you referenced a book, but instead of offering today's review of it, offered a critical review of it from within a few years of the book's original publication. Though that should be a standard thing for historians, it has become a trend now to assess everything with modern thinking. I see this with professional and amateur historians. I felt like your video offered many different angles and perspectives that helped paint a more accurate and vivid picture of that time period. Which is the whole point of a historian's work! You want to be taken back in time to see things as they saw it to better understand how point a became point b, that's how we learn! Keep up the good work and I look forward to watching more of your videos on a number of different subject matters.
Thank you for creating this video and further educate the masses. We being more attended of such dangerous ideas.
9/11 conspiracies started in french left wing newspapers iirc 😂😂
These guys really wanted free speech to go bye bye.
Great video
An incredible documentary on the topic, congratulations. I'm finding difficult to believe it has so few views, is it having issues with UA-cam's algorithm?
What an amazing well researched video! Thank you so much for making these videos, and putting it out for free for all to see!
This is not something I knew I needed to hear, but I did
I'm late to this video, but great work! New Subscriber here👍🏻
Thanks for covering this in such depth..I always wondered where these holocaust deniers were coming from...
16:40 It is only a fallacy if they (contemporary communist) have not given good reason why those men weren't communist.
That depends on how exactly you mean that. There are numerous versions of any particular ideology. To suggest that 1 one of those versions is not a version is where the no true Scotsman fallacy comes in.
For example, mormonism is a sect of Christianity. If I take one of their beliefs that is out of the norm of Christianity in general and say that they're not true christians, that's a fallacy. If I point out that the belief is unique to their sect, it is not a fallacy.
Marx views were a form of anarcho-socialism characterized by egalitarianism and an absence of government. This is clearly different from the strong man, authoritarian form of socialism that has gripped much of Asia and South America. Yet to argue either is not socialism is fallacious and ultimately comes down to definitions.
scary times 2021
How TF does this video not have 1M views
Too harsh of a topic for UA-cam. Though this video must be shown to more people.
Re-watching this video there is one thing I definitely think you missed, and that’s when discussing the sort of “soft Holocaust denial” practiced by the USSR, I think you forget the importance of Soviet nationalism and why the Soviets framed the Holocaust in the way they did. To say the second world war, or rather as they call it the “great patriotic war”, was a major factor informing Soviet nationalism would be a colossal understatement, and that also really informs present-day Russian nationalism as well. For the Soviet union, they wanted to incorporate every aspect of the second world war into that nationalist narrative, and by portraying the Holocaust as being carried out by fascists against communists (and by extension the USSR) It becomes much easier to incorporate into the overall narrative of the war.
Very interesting! Good work 👍
You forgot about David Cole. A Jewish Holocaust denier who would make documentaries and was mentioned in Hitler: The Greatest Story Never Told.
That voice you were doing when reading that Harry Barnes quote was too distracting. I get why you used it, at least I think I do, but it was a bit much.
It's not necessarily fair to place all of the blame on Germany for starting World war 1 but using the lies and propaganda from that war to accuse the allies of lying about atrocities committed in the second World war is honestly stupid.
Tell it to people like Mel gibson’s father he is/was a denier Mel never condemned him if anything Mel spewed his hate to the point it could. O longer be covered up by his pr team
As a point of interest our education on the Holocaust that sticks we me are 1. A period documentary and a teacher who toured a camp as a young soldier.
Nice. Can you do the same thing but with the Holodomor? The Holodomor was a famine genocide against Ukrainians perpetrated by Soviet Russians and Joseph Stalin started from 1932 to 1933 with Kyiv Oblast being the worst affected. Holodomor denial is Ukrainophobia and it deserves to be treated as Hate Speech, as a crime and as deeply offensive and repulsive the same way as Holocaust denial
I already have ua-cam.com/video/7MG1-s9GyCM/v-deo.html
@DeutschesKaiserreich14why believe that but not the Holocaust. Just sounds like more mental work
These Videos make me feel right to be mad at Holocaust Denial.
Absolutely was not expecting the voice change for Mr. Barnes, 11:12
Dat background noise.
Still a great video
this was an amazing video. Really enjoyed it!!!
I have no problems with laws against Holocaust denial. After all, it was while he was prosecuted under these laws that David Irving suddenly recanted his Holocaust denial. So whether you agree with them or not, they do have an effect against Holocaust denial.
But what I really try to do is not focus on Holocaust denial but on Holocaust truth, as the law of attraction says to focus on what you want, not what you don’t want.
@sway guevara oh, on what charge?
A lot of extremism isn't worth the debate time, for the states reasons.
“Pacifism is objectively pro-fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side, you automatically help out that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, 'he that is not with me is against me’.” - George Orwell
While Orwell was obviously talking about World War II, it is just as applicable to those conflicts in which the good and bad are clear to anyone with brain cells, e.g., Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and its attempted genocide of Ukrainians, the fascist terrorist Islamist regime holding Iran hostage and committing a decades-long genocide of the Iranian people, China and the CCP’s genocide of the Uyghurs and just about anyone who isn’t Han Chinese. I could go on and on, but I’m too depressed.
God bless you and thank you for your tireless efforts. You’re a good lad.
The Amrerican invasions of countries since 1953.
"Pacifists" not chugging down propaganda from authoritarian states challenge: IMPOSSIBLE
I agree with Chomsky on the issue of freedom of speech.
I love your videos thank you
What about George Soros?
He's still alive now though yeah so it's not really the "history"
What about him ?
He still owes me protest money
I thought he was a Nazi collaborator not a holocaust denier.
@@SpoopySquidDon't worry the 2020 protests won't be forgotten
quality documentary
I think it speaks to just how horrific it was that some people can't even believe it happened.
Nice cope.
@@haas5991 cry about it
Another excellent video.
That news personality that you associated with Ernst Zundel, is Gord Martineau, the news anchorman for CITY TV news, in Toronto. I can assure you that he is no Holocaust denier.
...& what's with showing Pierre Trudeau, present PM Trudeau's dad?
Fidel Castro is Justin Trudeau's father.
@@opossumlvr1023 & he's your moma
@@Libertyjack1 Also Frank Marshall Davis is Barack Obama's biological father. Because Davis was a citizen at the time of Barack's Obama's birth he was eligible to be president since that would make both of his parents citizens at the time of his birth and was born on U.S. soil.
Thank you for this video.
thank you for making this
Just Sub'd . Im enjoying the channel but does anyone else get reminded of Ricky Bobby's interview in talladega nights when he says "Im not sure what to do with my hands" when he cuts back to explain things himself? 🤣😂
Well done
oh this video is so going to get demonitized
Please dismiss this comment if youve already done this but I highly suggest you keep the gain levels on your mic or audio interface the same between takes, take a picture or write it down, and then use a compressor on the master to even out the dynamic range so that in between cuts we aren't jump scared by volume differences in your voice. Otherwise, amazing work here, thank you for making this.
As a European (there are few weird laws here..), I believe freedom of speech should be protecting ideas and opinions (with some exceptions) but not disproving reality and arguing with facts.
The way you described leftist claiming "what capitalism does is actualy worse" as part of denial reminds me of denial of the Bosnian genocide. I guess they have a tbing for denying atrocities.
yeah but all that evidence aside..... did it REALLLLLY happen??😅
Nope
Yes, it did. You pig.
Yes they also raped your mom
Grabble.
you aren't as clever as you think you are
@@thatcanuck5670 eh are you Canadian? You're all a bunch of communists ey bucko?!
whatever you say glowman
@ about the 6 minute mark, you (for once), do a balanced analysis.
Logically speaking, arguments are either deductively sound or inductively cogent, or they aren't. And you must evaluate the evidence for yourself before you can confidently decide which is the case. Calling an argument "denial " or "conspiracy theory" does not change that fact.
So?
The percentage of people who have this opinion is so low that it's not even worth caring about. Why does it actually matter anyway?
Because ideas are incredibly powerful and recently for sure holocaust denial has been more obvious with the internet etc. I think ignoring it won't make the problem go away
We are in fact growing in numbers, this after realizing that the opposing opinion is not allowed around the subject
They thought the same thing in the Weimar Republic. How did it turned out? You can't take chances anymore.
You must know very little of Jewish history.
I think it's kinda funny how your both two sides of tge same coin. Blindly and angrily defending your points of view lol
I don’t think he is blindly arguing his points. Most of the time he will present motivations and beliefs relating to the opposing side of the argument. Also, if I think murder is wrong (which I do), it is completely justified to blindly and angrily defend points against people who believe murder is right. It is the same thing in this scenario. There is a philosophical point known as the paradox of tolerance, in which people need to be intolerant of intolerance in order for true tolerance to be preserved. While I don’t always agree with this philosophy (especially in some cases where the government would be involved and could limit free speech) because I think it just stokes the flames, it can be applicable to Holocaust denial.
@ 4:07, you refer to the "primordial soup." I get it: you believe in Darwin's (obviously flawed) theory. As it happens, I DO believe in "evolution," in general terms. No scientist on Earth can explain how an Ameba evolved a tail, since the tail requires 8 genetic mutations to occur SIMULTANEOUSY! Darwin argued that 1 or 2 mutations would occur over time. There is NO explanation for eight. simultaneously...
I've never seen an amoeba re-evolve myself.
I had diarrhea
It happened but not quite as dramatic.
Why did the nazis lie about what they did when they were tried then? Why would they say that their crimes are worse than they actually are?
so you think debate is NOT an effective method of getting at the truth and changing minds... what the hell do you recommend then?
You cannot change someone's mind who doesn't want to consider that they are wrong. In their fantasy world they are right and everyone who disagrees is either stupid or evil. They need to believe that because it holds up their self image of being a superior kind of human.
If you debate such a person publically you give them a platform, the opportunity to spread more misinformation. They don't care about looking like they are right, but like you are an annoying pendant, correcting them makes you look bad to the kind of people they want to reach.
And debating them privately is also unnecessary since you won't convince them and just wreck your mental health.
To prevent this stuff from persisting and spreading we need to deplatform and improve education. If people already know the facts and truth supremacists don't have an audience to convince of their lies.
Debate really only ever changes the minds of the audience at best. Plus debate tactics can also make something completely untrue seem more true. For example if some flerfer starts spewing out a million different talking points to someone, their opponent can only cover one topic at a time. So the flerfer can just shift the goalposts and say "What about the other topics?" and act like they won.
@Rct3master44 the minds of the audience are the most important ones to change. Assuming they are too stupid to suss out the truth, and not be pulled in by false talking points, makes you look arrogant, and makes the more paranoid among us think you have something to hide, or are afraid your arguments won't hold up to scrutiny. It literally drives significant portions of the masses into the arms of the revisionists. I have a very difficult time believing that the anti-debate position is rooted in anything more than intellectual laziness and an unwillingness to confront the (small) things in the official Holocaust narrative that actually are false. The deniers will continue to gain ground in the hearts and minds of the people until folks like you either wise up or find within yourselves the gumption to take up an unwanted task.