100%. I recommend this channel to all my friends. And I genuinely believe we all should. This man is doing work that literally no one else is doing. I have looked hard for other content creators that put out similar content and I’ve never found any. Truly a blessing, this man is.
Very well thought out video. As an old Computer Engineering guy in his past life, I appreciate the waveforms. At some point I would like to see a shoot out video with pros and cons of each type. Also talking about feel is important as most people want a controller that has an oem experience. Looking forward to more content.
Great content! I would love to see a comparison of using the ginfull, gulikit and halpi tmr joysticks and their error rates, response times all side by side.
On Xbox controllers, with Hall Effect sticks the left joystick would deflect slightly when pulling the left trigger since the triggers are Hall effect also and the magnet in the trigger comes close to the board, and the left stick since it is in that upper location. TMR sticks happily don't have this problem!
Any EMI can be reflected with a ferrous metal like steel or copper (must be wired to ground) Min 0.4mm. You can use a alloy like iron-nickle for better results. Just cut and bend to size on top of insulated x-y axis solder joints. With a small gap on the MB HE sensor for the trigger to work.(Or use mu-metal 0.2-0.4mm in thickes) ---- Or use of resistors ground to signal 100k ohm Signal to voltage 47k ohm. ( but may ad minor delay on the inputes to do the extra filter.
@@metalplasticelectronics354 There are two versions of the K-Silver JS13 TMR. Second revision has them raised. But you are stuck with there module. When it comes to Xbox. LT magnet will still interfere creating simulated input. It will just be less than the lower position.
Your content is great, some days ago I received my Hallpi TMR PS5 joysticks and I finally changed both thumb sticks, you didn't lie a single bit, they're so good!! I would even dare to say that they feel smoother than the originals, perfect for small adjustments!! Thank you! 🙏💙
These Ginfull are right up there with the Hallpi and GuliKit. I still think the GuliKit and Hallpi, which appear to be the same, are still in the top spot.
Date code is XK, lot F, part number is BF. Package DFN2x2-3L. Could be multidimension or dees tech. But they don't sell this part to the public that I see. Interesting video.
PSA: with a welcome offer (when you haven’t used their website before) you can get 10 pairs of the Gulikits with the thumb sticks for $90. That’s $9 for each pair. That brings the gap closer if you have several controllers you need to fix. I would still buy the Ginful, but now it’s a much closer comparison than ever. At $9 a pair, compared to $2.70 a pair (again, Ginful also has a welcome promotion of $13.50 for the 10 piece) it literally has never been closer. Though I reckon the gap will widen when these become cheaper.
I discovered your channel yesterday because I'm planning to use 8 sticks in a dual trackpoint/spacemouse configuration and almost gave up trying to find any electrical information (even just a VCC range). Hearing that the popular L4A-board Ginfulls have very unbalanced rise/fall times, I looked around, found Ginfull TMR and have been waiting in anticipation to see if their signal output is like other TMRs.
The same sensors are used for the DualShock 4 controller so VCC should be good to at least 3.2 volts. The Favor Union Hall effect joysticks are listed on the datasheet as minimum 1.7 volts, maximum 5.5 volts.
@@metalplasticelectronics354 I'll try these Ginfull TMRs with approx 2.5V to match the linear range of the ESP32-S2 ADC, with the voltage supplied by a DAC pin. Thanks for all the testing you do. I've written up what I've learned in my Tetizmol [gd1053] project.
A comment pointed me in this company's direction for the TMR sensor IC. This may very well be the TMR sensor in these joysticks: www.dowaytech.com/en/2478.html . Not a lot of info in the data sheet but it might help.
@@metalplasticelectronics354 Very insightful! It's got all the info I'd expect. I'm also planning to swap out the springs for higher tension. The CAD file of the L4A joysticks on GrabCAD show that its springs are 8.5mm diameter. With a scaled image of 1:46, I estimate that the spring is 11mm tall. The most suitable available size on AliExpress is 8mm diameter 10mm length; think there would be unforeseen consequences?
@2:20 "The green trace..." Was that a mis-spoken word? Did the capture and/or compression of the video shift the color from it's original Green? Cause all I see is a color closer to Aqua, and some seconds later some of the on screen text of that oscilloscope does come up in Green. If it was not mis-spoken, if the capture/compression didn't change the color, then.... color deficiency of the eyes? 😟
Look at how thick the rubbers on those are! You would probably have to physically abuse your controllers to mess up its center point. They look pretty tough and durable
I agree with your final thoughts. At that price point, I can imagine seeing TMR being more popular than regular Hall Effect joysticks as TMR price decreases and becomes competitive. Of course, I just bought several pairs of HE joysticks......
I'm more worried about the design and the materials used in the centering mechanism. Because while the electric side of stick drift has been "solved" be the use of hall effect, the mechanical side of stick drift is still somewhat problematic. The two forks that follow the the thumbstick to transfer the movement to the potentiometers/hall effect sensors can wear out creating slop between the two surfaces in turn doesn't return everything to the center (often dead zone will filter this out but only to a point). Then there's the whole lubrication between the surfaces in the centering mechanism where the movement is no longer smooth or sometimes sticks.
To me, of the Ginfull joysticks, these feel the closest to the Alps. They won't have that slight smooth feel of the regular Ginfull the TMRs have a very fast response time. All the TMRs I've tested are great replacements for the potentiometer joysticks.
I had 2 controllers side by side. One with Ginful TMR, the other with a modded stick the Ginful mechanism with ALPS potentiometers. I swear I felt something different. Something was floaty. It may not have been the speed, maybe it's not completely linear. But something felt better with the ALPS sensors.
@metalplasticelectronics354 I know, so I modded ALPS sensors to go on the Ginful housing for the other controller. That way the feel would be identical. I felt something different. It could have been placebo, but the Ginful felt slightly more floaty and less responsive. But barely. I wonder if the output is not linear.
sad thing is we still haven't calibration tool for DS Edge. Can only be calibrated with additional mainboard which is pain in ass to install. Damn Sony...
Is there a way we can help you get a stronger magnet setup or whatever it is you need to more accurately test TMR joysticks? Especially since that’s looking like the future. I know id be willing to throw in a little money
Pointless. If it is too fast for his equipment to measure, it will be actually impossible for you to tell a difference. In fact in practice there won’t be one. People are so beyond focused on “I want the absolute fastest.” That they don’t stop to consider that the real factors are usually your own reaction speed as well as your connection.
That's nice of you, I do plan on building a faster electromagnet, just because I'm curious. But for evaluating the joysticks, if it's faster than my current test setup you won't be able to tell the difference between the one under test and a potentiometer joystick.
@@originsmaster8140I’m actually aware of this, I’m curious just like he is, and figured they would be other possible reasons to see more accurate numbers
Can you swing magnet on the shaft like on old Ginfull's ? I can see holes on the housing so I think you can. If it's possible it can possibly be used on Dualsense edge. I've been using older Ginfull with succes with that manual center calibration method.
@@metalplasticelectronics354 can get the standard pxn p5 to compare (gamepadla has latency results for this) Also recommend checking out the adjustable tension js20 modules with varying stick tensions
The Ginfull sensor will only fit on the Ginfull frame. If you are looking for a TMR sensor to fit the Alps frame look for the Hallpi TMR or GuliKit TMR joysticks.
all the extra finicking makes me wonder if its really "easier" to leave the stick assembly on the board. My bud suggested I do that to swap sticks, and I cant figure out the benefits.
Maybe not the Ginfull, but if you are replacing the Alps potentiometers with Hallpi or GuliKit sensors, it's much easier. Without the proper tools, it's a challenge to remove the joystick frame.
Gulikits are probably slightly better but not 8 times better. Edit: Also at this level of performance, they might as well be identical since even with a setup he couldn’t read because it was so fast. So you’ll never notice a performance difference. The question is do you think that the new thumb grips make up the difference. If not, go with the Ginful. If you absolutely need the new thumb caps go with the Gulikits.
@@metalplasticelectronics354 I’ve been telling people this. If a machine created to measure the speed already can’t tell them apart, they are so fast that it literally doesn’t matter which is faster at this point. It’s not like it’ll make a difference in their gaming. It’s like their obsession with polling rate. The lack of understanding makes them certain that unless they’re playing with a 1,000 polling rate controller, that they will not keep up and input lag will be too beg despite the Xbox’s controller only having 125 polling rate and still having less input lag. Your channel is awesome man. You deserve so many subscribers. Hope the holidays were kind to you.
@@metalplasticelectronics354 That's great! I've got a couple of controllers in need of stick replacements, thought I would put HE sticks in there but never got around to it - and now apparently there's an even better option!
I don't think the Ginfull V1 used a filtered output. If that is the case the TMR will fill like the V1 without the jitter. And the V4 will have a smooth feel. I would pick the TMR.
@@metalplasticelectronics354 damn i think i got scammed. local seller says its V4. im buy xbox variant for my flydigi apex 3 gamepad. it came just same as v1. the magnet is still long box. not curve like it suppose to be. and still jitter. i think I'm gonna buy TMR on ebay now.
I was sent a Ginfull sales slide. It shows the V4(SE) and V4 have curved magnets. All the rest use a rectangular magnet. And there is no V5. You can't use the info the seller puts on them to know what you are getting, and that is a shame.
@@metalplasticelectronics354 well the picture is shows its have curved magnets. so I bought it. since its local. and arrive fast. but turn out the magnet is rectangular. when I give one star to the seller. the say its rectangular, because if its curved like ps5. it will cause heavy sensitive. and now it still jitter. now I'm waiting for TMR from ebay. and hope its not jitter.
K-SILVER JH20 modules 🔥🕹️ are 2$ also I just purchased 4 and received them the blue 🔵 540 Gf is my favorite I have the JS20 also, wait n 4 the new JL16 mods the newest Pxn p5 8k has them in it 😉
@@metalplasticelectronics354 im never try V4 before. just use V1 and its produce jitter sometimes. that's why I'm plan to upgrade it to V4 or buy TMR from ebay.
@@metalplasticelectronics354 im currently use ginful v1. and its produce jitter. so I'm gonna upgrade to ginful TMR or Ginful V4. aside from how it feels. which one is better?
Would all these tmr joysticks you've tested work as good in the xbox controller? I find your tmr vids very helpful but I can't find vids on xbox version, only the gulikit. I've already ordered hallpi ones after your video and soldering equipment. Any advice on soldering would be helpful as well since it is my first time soldering 😬
Make sure the iron you got is good. I made the mistake of not getting a good one (paid $15 for a full kit that included iron, solder, flux, copper braid, pump, and several tips) and I just ended up getting a better one anyway. I’d say get one that is around the $35 or more. Otherwise you’ll take about 4 hours to do a 45 minute job. Second, get a good pump. Third, it’s easiest if you cut the modules at the corners and snap off each of the 4 walls. This will let you remove the leads in parts as opposed to one full joystick which will require you to perfectly de solder every single lead.
They should but make sure you order the Xbox version. And for changing out the joysticks take a look at these videos: ua-cam.com/video/slxgHcYHnm8/v-deo.htmlsi=DgIAHHmHj4Wtxzxn ua-cam.com/video/uUSa5_SOixA/v-deo.htmlsi=vBjdtZ7VAxs6Yj4V ua-cam.com/video/T5XKbeWDW98/v-deo.htmlsi=Zdnf7H4K91urlGLo . Also if you have never soldered or desolder anything before. If you have some scrap electronics around you might want to practice on that first. A search on UA-cam for "Learning to Solder" will yield some good information.
Thanks for both replies! I've already ordered a soldering station with heat gun and temp control. I'll try first on scrap electronics including a few old broken xbox one controllers which I'm guessing should be a little similar. I've seen the videos but will definitely return to watch some again after seeing how much more specific and helpful they are compared to other tutorials. As for the pump, do you recommend any since I thought with the heat gun I could get any pump to work?
Okay but if the halls have higher resolution, and tmrs are even better, where can I find and how do I install a mcu that actually detects and uses that higher resolution
recently installed these on my ps5 controller, the tension force to move the sticks is a little bit stronger than ps5 potentiometer ones which I like but I hate how little force they require to actuate when being pressed, I keep pressing my right stick down by accident when aiming in games because of how little force they need, I wish they would require more force.
@@eark6292 maybe but after a long time of use, I played cod yesterday for more than 4 hours and almost everytime I was shooting I kept pressing R3 , it's just so light maybe after a motn I'll get used to ti.
А так да я согласен ginfull V5 имеет очень твёрдые палочки когда поворачиваешь на право на лево но вот когда нажимаешь L3 R3 тут я бы сказал что они лучше стандартных не сильно шумят мягче нажимаются и мне показалось что они нажимаются быстрее по крайней мере которые взял я V5s 120GF l-4k@@elaom
I installed 4 Hallpi sticks today and 3 of them doesn't have a full circularity, not terrible but kinda sucks. Is it a defect or I did something wrong in installation?
Welp I probably did something wrong because both of gamepads acting weird. The buttons stop working for a few seconds and they register presses like r1 and triangle when I'm not pressing. Analog inputs seems fine.
@@metalplasticelectronics354It is probably because of flux, it's very hard to clean it off for some reason, I managed to remove it from one gamepad and it now works fine, but no luck for the second one, it stuck right on the traces. Tried alcohol, petrol and dissolvent. I dunno, later will try acetone and to heat up the plate
I went to the service and they said I did everything right, it's a defective modules, well that's really sucks because I got one in each gamepad. And Hallpi still not that cheap to be 2/4 with defects
You should look into the Xbox series version of these, as the xbox series controller PCB is thick, and it makes it difficult to solder them in since the 3 pins are much shorter than the guilkit and Hallpi.
The hole the lead goes in is plated through. So even if the lead doesn't stick out the bottom of the PCB it will still be connected if solder fills the hole.
@metalplasticelectronics354 I went ahead and finished soldering them in, and I wasn't very confident it would work, but it does. I would still like for them to be longer still.
Do you know why They would use a rectangular magnet instead of the wiper shape they switched to? will it matter due to it being tmr, could i put the tmr sensor on a v5 with the wiper magnet or will it not be compatible. or... are we just going to see another upgraded version on these with wiper magnets in 2 months >.
Probably has to do with the pole of the magnet being on the large face of the magnet. The poles of the magnet are on the small ends of the Hall Effect sensors.
I'm looking for a TMR stick with low tension and a soft feel. For me the default APLS potentiometer is a bit high tension. Among Ginfull TMR, KSILVER TMR, and GULIKIT(HALLPI) TMR, which product has the lowest tension and is the softest? Could you please tell me the order?
All the TMR sticks I've tested have about the same tension as the Alps. For a softer joystick, you could take the Ginfull TMR sensor and magnet holder and move them to an Older Ginfull joystick frame.
@@ΓιώργοςΜιχάλης-ι9ξ Not talking about Alps. Talking about compared to the GuliKit ones. Potentiometer joysticks are completely out of the question here. Unless what you want to say is better these than the originals. In that case, still being $2 seems too cheap...
They're so close to one another that it would probably come down to the mechanical feel. These feel more like the Favor Union joystick and the Hallpi/GuliKit feel more like the Alps. The electrical response for all the TMR joysticks is fantastic.
Okay but if the halls have higher resolution, and tmrs are even better, where can I find and how do I install a mcu that actually detects and uses that higher resolution
This is should be a Million sub channel at least, please keep doing this amazing videos. My controllers are amazing thanks to your videos.
100%. I recommend this channel to all my friends. And I genuinely believe we all should. This man is doing work that literally no one else is doing. I have looked hard for other content creators that put out similar content and I’ve never found any. Truly a blessing, this man is.
Very kind of you to say, thanks.
Thank you.
I am amazed how professional and well prepared are your tests and your channel in general. Wish you success and satisfaction from your work
Thanks
Very well thought out video. As an old Computer Engineering guy in his past life, I appreciate the waveforms. At some point I would like to see a shoot out video with pros and cons of each type. Also talking about feel is important as most people want a controller that has an oem experience. Looking forward to more content.
I love that the TMR sensors will fit on the ginfull housing. now both versions of the original joysticks have TMR sensor replacement options.
The algorithm has blessed me with this. Thank you for being so comprehensive. You are doing incredible work!
Thanks
Finally the Ginfull video 🙌🏽
JESUS, THIS ANALOGS ARE WILDS, i have already used a gamesir g7e with hall effects, but this analogs, for my hobbies, are perfect
I really like your modern analog sticks series!
I got ginful V5S and really liking the feel of it snaps back to the center.
They are the best I've tested at returning to the center. But after using them for a while I wasn't fond of the higher tension.
Another great video, thank you for doing this testing. My controllers are amazing because of your videos!
Thanks
Great content! I would love to see a comparison of using the ginfull, gulikit and halpi tmr joysticks and their error rates, response times all side by side.
Great job!
I don't have time to test all of these modules in detail so I redirect anyone who asks about those to your channel
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On Xbox controllers, with Hall Effect sticks the left joystick would deflect slightly when pulling the left trigger since the triggers are Hall effect also and the magnet in the trigger comes close to the board, and the left stick since it is in that upper location. TMR sticks happily don't have this problem!
useful, thx.
Any EMI can be reflected with a ferrous metal like steel or copper (must be wired to ground) Min 0.4mm.
You can use a alloy like iron-nickle for better results. Just cut and bend to size on top of insulated x-y axis solder joints. With a small gap on the MB HE sensor for the trigger to work.(Or use mu-metal 0.2-0.4mm in thickes)
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Or use of resistors
ground to signal 100k ohm
Signal to voltage 47k ohm. ( but may ad minor delay on the inputes to do the extra filter.
One note, the Hallpi and GuliKit have the sensor on the top but both the K-Silver and Ginfull have the sensor on the bottom.
@@metalplasticelectronics354 There are two versions of the K-Silver JS13 TMR.
Second revision has them raised. But you are stuck with there module. When it comes to Xbox. LT magnet will still interfere creating simulated input. It will just be less than the lower position.
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Finally! Been waiting for this video! Have 10 of these on their way to me as we speak.
A great video as always! Thank you.
Great video as always!
Thanks
Your content is great, some days ago I received my Hallpi TMR PS5 joysticks and I finally changed both thumb sticks, you didn't lie a single bit, they're so good!!
I would even dare to say that they feel smoother than the originals, perfect for small adjustments!!
Thank you! 🙏💙
The originals aren't lubed, I think those are.
These Ginfull are right up there with the Hallpi and GuliKit. I still think the GuliKit and Hallpi, which appear to be the same, are still in the top spot.
Dualshock is a$$
Date code is XK, lot F, part number is BF. Package DFN2x2-3L.
Could be multidimension or dees tech. But they don't sell this part to the public that I see.
Interesting video.
Thanks
It must be MDT. They even mentioned GuliKit in the TMR2615 and TMR 2617 press releases.
@metalplasticelectronics354 oh cool didn't see that, watching your other TMR videos now.
Felt your pain there flipping that little part over lol :)
That's why it was in the video. The thing just wouldn't land upside down.
PSA: with a welcome offer (when you haven’t used their website before) you can get 10 pairs of the Gulikits with the thumb sticks for $90. That’s $9 for each pair. That brings the gap closer if you have several controllers you need to fix. I would still buy the Ginful, but now it’s a much closer comparison than ever. At $9 a pair, compared to $2.70 a pair (again, Ginful also has a welcome promotion of $13.50 for the 10 piece) it literally has never been closer. Though I reckon the gap will widen when these become cheaper.
I discovered your channel yesterday because I'm planning to use 8 sticks in a dual trackpoint/spacemouse configuration and almost gave up trying to find any electrical information (even just a VCC range). Hearing that the popular L4A-board Ginfulls have very unbalanced rise/fall times, I looked around, found Ginfull TMR and have been waiting in anticipation to see if their signal output is like other TMRs.
The same sensors are used for the DualShock 4 controller so VCC should be good to at least 3.2 volts. The Favor Union Hall effect joysticks are listed on the datasheet as minimum 1.7 volts, maximum 5.5 volts.
@@metalplasticelectronics354 I'll try these Ginfull TMRs with approx 2.5V to match the linear range of the ESP32-S2 ADC, with the voltage supplied by a DAC pin.
Thanks for all the testing you do. I've written up what I've learned in my Tetizmol [gd1053] project.
A comment pointed me in this company's direction for the TMR sensor IC. This may very well be the TMR sensor in these joysticks: www.dowaytech.com/en/2478.html . Not a lot of info in the data sheet but it might help.
@@metalplasticelectronics354 Very insightful! It's got all the info I'd expect.
I'm also planning to swap out the springs for higher tension. The CAD file of the L4A joysticks on GrabCAD show that its springs are 8.5mm diameter. With a scaled image of 1:46, I estimate that the spring is 11mm tall. The most suitable available size on AliExpress is 8mm diameter 10mm length; think there would be unforeseen consequences?
Can you do a video of some gameplay using the new sticks? That would be cool.
You would not be able to tell much, I'm not a very good gamer.
I love watching your videos. I’m passing this on. Amazing.
Thanks
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@2:20 "The green trace..."
Was that a mis-spoken word? Did the capture and/or compression of the video shift the color from it's original Green? Cause all I see is a color closer to Aqua, and some seconds later some of the on screen text of that oscilloscope does come up in Green.
If it was not mis-spoken, if the capture/compression didn't change the color, then.... color deficiency of the eyes? 😟
Look at how thick the rubbers on those are! You would probably have to physically abuse your controllers to mess up its center point. They look pretty tough and durable
great work
thanks
Excellent... Hawk effect sticks here I come
I agree with your final thoughts. At that price point, I can imagine seeing TMR being more popular than regular Hall Effect joysticks as TMR price decreases and becomes competitive. Of course, I just bought several pairs of HE joysticks......
Yeah but why using TMR over the normal hall sticks? I dont see the point.
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First, congratulations on the video. In your opinion, which one did better, these or v5s? I bought v5s this week.
Probably a combination of both. The mechanics of the v5s get you a really good return to center
I would pick these. I wasn't very fond of the higher tension.
Thank you for the video!!
I'm more worried about the design and the materials used in the centering mechanism. Because while the electric side of stick drift has been "solved" be the use of hall effect, the mechanical side of stick drift is still somewhat problematic.
The two forks that follow the the thumbstick to transfer the movement to the potentiometers/hall effect sensors can wear out creating slop between the two surfaces in turn doesn't return everything to the center (often dead zone will filter this out but only to a point). Then there's the whole lubrication between the surfaces in the centering mechanism where the movement is no longer smooth or sometimes sticks.
Question, how good are these compared to alps potentiometer and ginful v5?
To me, of the Ginfull joysticks, these feel the closest to the Alps. They won't have that slight smooth feel of the regular Ginfull the TMRs have a very fast response time. All the TMRs I've tested are great replacements for the potentiometer joysticks.
Finally Ginfull make TMR joysticks..
The one brand that can crush the market price..
They are priced to move, that's for sure.
I had 2 controllers side by side. One with Ginful TMR, the other with a modded stick the Ginful mechanism with ALPS potentiometers. I swear I felt something different. Something was floaty. It may not have been the speed, maybe it's not completely linear. But something felt better with the ALPS sensors.
There is a mechanical difference, the Ginfulls feel more like the Favor Union joysticks.
@metalplasticelectronics354 I know, so I modded ALPS sensors to go on the Ginful housing for the other controller. That way the feel would be identical. I felt something different. It could have been placebo, but the Ginful felt slightly more floaty and less responsive. But barely. I wonder if the output is not linear.
Love your videos man,
Thanks
Excelente!!
sad thing is we still haven't calibration tool for DS Edge. Can only be calibrated with additional mainboard which is pain in ass to install. Damn Sony...
The calibration situation for Switch Pro controllers is still pretty bad as well. I'd like to see more work in that area.
@@SoundToxin but you can calibrate it directly using Switch. Nintendo is much better in that case.
Is there a way we can help you get a stronger magnet setup or whatever it is you need to more accurately test TMR joysticks? Especially since that’s looking like the future. I know id be willing to throw in a little money
Pointless. If it is too fast for his equipment to measure, it will be actually impossible for you to tell a difference. In fact in practice there won’t be one. People are so beyond focused on “I want the absolute fastest.” That they don’t stop to consider that the real factors are usually your own reaction speed as well as your connection.
That's nice of you, I do plan on building a faster electromagnet, just because I'm curious. But for evaluating the joysticks, if it's faster than my current test setup you won't be able to tell the difference between the one under test and a potentiometer joystick.
@@originsmaster8140I’m actually aware of this, I’m curious just like he is, and figured they would be other possible reasons to see more accurate numbers
Can you swing magnet on the shaft like on old Ginfull's ? I can see holes on the housing so I think you can. If it's possible it can possibly be used on Dualsense edge. I've been using older Ginfull with succes with that manual center calibration method.
Yes, you can access the magnet holder and deform the shaft to center it mechanically.
Will you be testing the new capacitive JL16 joysticks from k-silver?
I don't have anything to test them in. Do you know a controller that is using them?
@@metalplasticelectronics354 my comment keeps getting removed
@@metalplasticelectronics354 pxn p5 8k uses them. About $45-$55 on aliexpress
@@metalplasticelectronics354 can get the standard pxn p5 to compare (gamepadla has latency results for this)
Also recommend checking out the adjustable tension js20 modules with varying stick tensions
@@metalplasticelectronics354 pxn p5 8k on ali. Can compare it to the regular pxn p5 possibly
Can I use this stick for Gamecube ?
dear sir, will the sensor only fit on ALPS?
The Ginfull sensor will only fit on the Ginfull frame. If you are looking for a TMR sensor to fit the Alps frame look for the Hallpi TMR or GuliKit TMR joysticks.
@@metalplasticelectronics354 awesome, thank you sir.
all the extra finicking makes me wonder if its really "easier" to leave the stick assembly on the board. My bud suggested I do that to swap sticks, and I cant figure out the benefits.
Maybe not the Ginfull, but if you are replacing the Alps potentiometers with Hallpi or GuliKit sensors, it's much easier. Without the proper tools, it's a challenge to remove the joystick frame.
Would these work on any PS5 controller, just want to know before I buy 10 of them
They work in the DualSense controller and there is calibration software for the dualSense. I'm not sure about third-party controllers.
@metalplasticelectronics354 lovely, was just wondering about normal controllers. Thank you
Great video
Thanks
How do these stack vs Gulikit's TMR sticks?
Gulikits are probably slightly better but not 8 times better.
Edit: Also at this level of performance, they might as well be identical since even with a setup he couldn’t read because it was so fast. So you’ll never notice a performance difference. The question is do you think that the new thumb grips make up the difference. If not, go with the Ginful. If you absolutely need the new thumb caps go with the Gulikits.
Very close, couldn't tell them apart using them. I'm a big fan of the GuliKit knobs though.
Is the tension stronger on the ginfull?@@metalplasticelectronics354
@@metalplasticelectronics354 I’ve been telling people this. If a machine created to measure the speed already can’t tell them apart, they are so fast that it literally doesn’t matter which is faster at this point. It’s not like it’ll make a difference in their gaming. It’s like their obsession with polling rate. The lack of understanding makes them certain that unless they’re playing with a 1,000 polling rate controller, that they will not keep up and input lag will be too beg despite the Xbox’s controller only having 125 polling rate and still having less input lag.
Your channel is awesome man. You deserve so many subscribers. Hope the holidays were kind to you.
Thanks
These look great! Is there a version of these that works on Xbox controllers as well?
The aliexpress store lists a version for the Xbox.
@@metalplasticelectronics354 That's great! I've got a couple of controllers in need of stick replacements, thought I would put HE sticks in there but never got around to it - and now apparently there's an even better option!
im currently use ginful v1. and its produce jitter. so I'm gonna upgrade to ginful TMR or Ginful V4. aside from how it feels. which one is better?
I don't think the Ginfull V1 used a filtered output. If that is the case the TMR will fill like the V1 without the jitter. And the V4 will have a smooth feel. I would pick the TMR.
@@metalplasticelectronics354 damn i think i got scammed. local seller says its V4. im buy xbox variant for my flydigi apex 3 gamepad. it came just same as v1. the magnet is still long box. not curve like it suppose to be. and still jitter. i think I'm gonna buy TMR on ebay now.
I was sent a Ginfull sales slide. It shows the V4(SE) and V4 have curved magnets. All the rest use a rectangular magnet. And there is no V5. You can't use the info the seller puts on them to know what you are getting, and that is a shame.
@@metalplasticelectronics354 well the picture is shows its have curved magnets. so I bought it. since its local. and arrive fast. but turn out the magnet is rectangular. when I give one star to the seller. the say its rectangular, because if its curved like ps5. it will cause heavy sensitive. and now it still jitter. now I'm waiting for TMR from ebay. and hope its not jitter.
The TMRs I've tested are fantastic I think you will be happy with them.
Can you test the "KSilver TMR for Elite Series 2"
I've got a video on the K-Silver TMR. I only have a DualSense controller to test them on.
K-SILVER JH20 modules 🔥🕹️ are 2$ also I just purchased 4 and received them the blue 🔵 540 Gf is my favorite I have the JS20 also, wait n 4 the new JL16 mods the newest Pxn p5 8k has them in it 😉
1:30 - 1:55 I chuckled. 😄
wow. do you think its better than ginfull v4? I'm planning to replace my flydigi apex 3 joystick analog. i see good price on ebay.
Depending on if you like the smooth feel of the V4, The TMR has the feel of a potentiometer joystick.
@@metalplasticelectronics354 im never try V4 before. just use V1 and its produce jitter sometimes. that's why I'm plan to upgrade it to V4 or buy TMR from ebay.
@@metalplasticelectronics354 im currently use ginful v1. and its produce jitter. so I'm gonna upgrade to ginful TMR or Ginful V4. aside from how it feels. which one is better?
Would all these tmr joysticks you've tested work as good in the xbox controller? I find your tmr vids very helpful but I can't find vids on xbox version, only the gulikit. I've already ordered hallpi ones after your video and soldering equipment. Any advice on soldering would be helpful as well since it is my first time soldering 😬
Make sure the iron you got is good. I made the mistake of not getting a good one (paid $15 for a full kit that included iron, solder, flux, copper braid, pump, and several tips) and I just ended up getting a better one anyway. I’d say get one that is around the $35 or more. Otherwise you’ll take about 4 hours to do a 45 minute job.
Second, get a good pump. Third, it’s easiest if you cut the modules at the corners and snap off each of the 4 walls. This will let you remove the leads in parts as opposed to one full joystick which will require you to perfectly de solder every single lead.
They should but make sure you order the Xbox version. And for changing out the joysticks take a look at these videos: ua-cam.com/video/slxgHcYHnm8/v-deo.htmlsi=DgIAHHmHj4Wtxzxn ua-cam.com/video/uUSa5_SOixA/v-deo.htmlsi=vBjdtZ7VAxs6Yj4V ua-cam.com/video/T5XKbeWDW98/v-deo.htmlsi=Zdnf7H4K91urlGLo . Also if you have never soldered or desolder anything before. If you have some scrap electronics around you might want to practice on that first. A search on UA-cam for "Learning to Solder" will yield some good information.
Thanks for both replies! I've already ordered a soldering station with heat gun and temp control. I'll try first on scrap electronics including a few old broken xbox one controllers which I'm guessing should be a little similar. I've seen the videos but will definitely return to watch some again after seeing how much more specific and helpful they are compared to other tutorials. As for the pump, do you recommend any since I thought with the heat gun I could get any pump to work?
Excellent idea.
How would you rate these against the equally first hallpi and Gullikit?
Very close, slightly different mechanical feel is about it.
@@metalplasticelectronics354thank you… very good value for $2
Okay but if the halls have higher resolution, and tmrs are even better, where can I find and how do I install a mcu that actually detects and uses that higher resolution
Can't really do that, needs to be designed around a higher res sensor from the start.
recently installed these on my ps5 controller, the tension force to move the sticks is a little bit stronger than ps5 potentiometer ones which I like but I hate how little force they require to actuate when being pressed, I keep pressing my right stick down by accident when aiming in games because of how little force they need, I wish they would require more force.
Так можно привыкнуть например ginfull V5 надо больше усилия на joystick чем у стандартных
@@eark6292 maybe but after a long time of use, I played cod yesterday for more than 4 hours and almost everytime I was shooting I kept pressing R3 , it's just so light maybe after a motn I'll get used to ti.
А так да я согласен ginfull V5 имеет очень твёрдые палочки когда поворачиваешь на право на лево но вот когда нажимаешь L3 R3 тут я бы сказал что они лучше стандартных не сильно шумят мягче нажимаются и мне показалось что они нажимаются быстрее по крайней мере которые взял я V5s 120GF l-4k@@elaom
I installed 4 Hallpi sticks today and 3 of them doesn't have a full circularity, not terrible but kinda sucks. Is it a defect or I did something wrong in installation?
Welp I probably did something wrong because both of gamepads acting weird. The buttons stop working for a few seconds and they register presses like r1 and triangle when I'm not pressing. Analog inputs seems fine.
Check all the flat flex cables. They can cause some strange problems if not seated correctly.
@@metalplasticelectronics354It is probably because of flux, it's very hard to clean it off for some reason, I managed to remove it from one gamepad and it now works fine, but no luck for the second one, it stuck right on the traces. Tried alcohol, petrol and dissolvent. I dunno, later will try acetone and to heat up the plate
Use a dedicated flux remover or, if you have it, terpentine@@yellow-pill
I went to the service and they said I did everything right, it's a defective modules, well that's really sucks because I got one in each gamepad. And Hallpi still not that cheap to be 2/4 with defects
You should look into the Xbox series version of these, as the xbox series controller PCB is thick, and it makes it difficult to solder them in since the 3 pins are much shorter than the guilkit and Hallpi.
The hole the lead goes in is plated through. So even if the lead doesn't stick out the bottom of the PCB it will still be connected if solder fills the hole.
@metalplasticelectronics354 I went ahead and finished soldering them in, and I wasn't very confident it would work, but it does. I would still like for them to be longer still.
Also, the ali link seems to be broken
Try copying the link instead of clicking on it. Not sure why the link doesn't work for some.
Do you know why They would use a rectangular magnet instead of the wiper shape they switched to? will it matter due to it being tmr, could i put the tmr sensor on a v5 with the wiper magnet or will it not be compatible. or... are we just going to see another upgraded version on these with wiper magnets in 2 months >.
Probably has to do with the pole of the magnet being on the large face of the magnet. The poles of the magnet are on the small ends of the Hall Effect sensors.
Watching you trying to turn that piece over on the middle was painful 😅
I'm looking for a TMR stick with low tension and a soft feel. For me the default APLS potentiometer is a bit high tension.
Among Ginfull TMR, KSILVER TMR, and GULIKIT(HALLPI) TMR, which product has the lowest tension and is the softest? Could you please tell me the order?
All the TMR sticks I've tested have about the same tension as the Alps. For a softer joystick, you could take the Ginfull TMR sensor and magnet holder and move them to an Older Ginfull joystick frame.
@@metalplasticelectronics354 I see! Thank you so much for the reply. It was helpful.
Should we really trust the mechanical durability of those cheapies?
I dont disagree, but do you trust the reliability of the official sony joysticks?
Аналоги от сони тоже китайское 💩 они могут прослужит и пол года а могут сломаться через месяца два или три все берут в китае
Yes, way more than Alps, it will last way longer then your average potentiometer drift
@@ΓιώργοςΜιχάλης-ι9ξ Not talking about Alps. Talking about compared to the GuliKit ones.
Potentiometer joysticks are completely out of the question here.
Unless what you want to say is better these than the originals.
In that case, still being $2 seems too cheap...
@@Splarkszter yes i wanted to say that better these than the original, but you are making a fair point that these seem too cheap.
Idk if you have an Xbox or not but would you try out the Hall effect sticks for the elite series 2 controllers specifically? Thanks in advance!
I wonder if in the elite series the magnetic thumb caps will interfere with the magnets in the TMR.
I don't, sorry. All I have is the PS5, don't even have a working PS4 anymore.
Which is better hallpi tmr or these?
They're so close to one another that it would probably come down to the mechanical feel. These feel more like the Favor Union joystick and the Hallpi/GuliKit feel more like the Alps. The electrical response for all the TMR joysticks is fantastic.
@metalplasticelectronics354 I ordered the hallpi tmr to replace my old ginful (old cuz they jitter).
Could you repair my dualsense edge and update with hall effect?
Sorry, I'm set up for that.
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Интересно как на xbox встанет
Teach me more please🫡
Okay but if the halls have higher resolution, and tmrs are even better, where can I find and how do I install a mcu that actually detects and uses that higher resolution