In this series we take a look at the events of the Trojan War as recounted by Homer. Please note that this depiction diverges from the actual Bronze Age event which we will be covering in another episode. As a result, the art (weapons/armour) is more of a reflection of Greece as Homer would have understood it in his own time.
@Daemone Entheus Can you elaborate on this a bit more? I think this word would apply to them since the gods sport very human personalities and are just as flawed as their mortal underlings, something all greeks were very much aware of.
@@xyAKMxy I think what he means is that gods are such supreme beings in power and beauty, that they would be able to fool/seduce/manipulate any mortal into bumping uglies
Historical point = Homer in the Iliad and the Odyssey speaks only of Danaans, Achaeans, Argians and not of Greeks. The Hellenes (tribe of Southern Thessaly also called Argos Pelasgians), at his time, did not constitute yet a people or a Nation (Thucydides I,3). He affirms in the Iliad that "Zeus is Pelasgians and dodonean" (XVI,234). Precisely these Pelasgians (🇦🇱) were considered by all the ancient Greek authors as "the first inhabitants of Greece" before "The arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷)"! Another word that was misunderstood or glossed over. Indeed the Greeks arrived from somewhere because they were not indigenous. As they did not come from the North ( one wanted to make us believe the opposite), they could only be foreigners coming from elsewhere. It is this elsewhere which is difficult to define very precisely. But the legends, which are only embellished, idealized or metaphorized historical facts, give us some precious indications on the first foreign ethnic groups having occupied the country of the Pelasgians: the Danaans (Egyptians from whom the Dorians descend), the Cadmeans (Phoenicians) and the Pelopides (Assyrians). Among the peoples of archaic Greece the Ionians, Aeolians and Arcadians were descendants of the Pelasgians, indigenous populations conquered by the Hellenic invaders: they could claim to be indigenous populations. All the ancient authors, including Homer, Hesiod, Hecateus of Miletus, Acousilaos, Hellanicos, Herodotus, Thucydides or Ephorus, inform us succinctly but sufficiently to affirm that before the arrival of the Greeks the Pelasges (🇦🇱) occupied the country that was to become Greece. They also claim that these Pelasges were not Greeks but "Barbaros" i.e. not speaking Greek and, finally, that they LEGAVED TO THE GREEKS A LARGE PART OF THEIR CULTES AND DIVINE. Example: So, everyone has learned (at school etc ...) that Zeus was a Greek god, right? But why in the books of Homer (the basis of the bases!) we never see the so-called "Greek Zeus, Mycenaean Zeus or Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " Here is what Achilles (the greatest warrior of the Trojan War) tells us about Zeus = Achilles: - "Zeus, sovereign lord, O Dodonian prince, O you Pelasgic Zeus (🇦🇱), distant god who reigns over Dodona, in this harsh land of the Stool... " Source : Homer ( Iliad, XVI, 233/234 ) Achilles did not say " O you Zeus the Greek, O you Zeus the Mycenaean or O you Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " So why did they tell us that Zeus was a Greek? With this alone, we can see that modern historiography is not honest! Zeus = Zâ, Zani ( gheg ), Zê, Zeri ( Tosk ) Before securing power over the other gods, Zeus was the god of the luminous sky, of atmospheric phenomena (clouds, rain, wind, lightning, thunder). It was said of him "Zeus rains or Zeus thunders". With Homer and Hesiod, he acquired a preeminent role among the gods of Olympus and a place of choice in the mytological cosmogony. Some say that the name Zeus evokes the Sanskrit root "Dyaus" meaning "the day" (Latin Dies). However Homer states that "Zeus is Pelasgic 🇦🇱 and Dodonean" ( Iliad XVI,234). The oldest sanctuary, dedicated by the Pelasges to Zeus, is that of Dodone, in Thesprotia (ancient Pelasgia, called Epirus, the 5th century) . In Dodona was a sacred oak whose rustling leaves were interpreted by the oracle as the "VOICE" of Zeus. The attributes of Zeus are the Eagle, the Lightning and the Scepter. Moreover, lightning means "thunder", thus "noise" or "voice". Thus the name of Zeus can be explained by the Albanian "Zâ, Zani, the "voice", the verb". With the arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷) this oracle lost its importance to Delphi, the "Greek" sanctuary (of Apollo) par excellence. It should be noted that in Albania, God is called Zot (Zeus = Zojz = Zot), all religions combined. Moreover the expression "by Zeus" (who forgives) is always used there "për zotën". Porphyry (Life of Pythagoras) reports that Pythagoras used "Zan" to designate Zeus! ) This alone is enough to convince us that a great civilization, not Greek, existed WELL BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE HELLENES (🇬🇷) Neibhur (FOUNDER OF THE MODERN SCHOOL OF ANCIENT HISTORY!): "The name Pelasgians was probably that of a nation and, in any case, THE GREEK EXPLANATIONS ON THIS SUBJECT ARE ABSURD!" Source: The History of Rome Volume I, p.507 It is the meaning of this famous word "ARRIVED" that the modern authors (majority) did not quite seize (or occulted). Everything has been said and its opposite on this subject. Until the discovery of the so-called Mycenaean tablets, "deciphered" by Ventris and Chadwick, the doubt remained in their minds! But as soon as these two scholars decreed that the Mycenaean linear B (in reality Pelasgians!) was of the old Greek, all rocked in favor of the thesis of the continuity of the two civilizations (Mycenaean and Greek) and this in spite of FOUR CENTURIES, I repeat "FOUR CENTURIES !!!! "of MAGISTRATIC SILENCE! It is this theory that Mathieu Aref dismantles with arguments to SUPPORT because nobody suspected that this Mycenaean (total invention of Schliemann, who is not even an archaeologist but a Businessman! ) was none other than ancient Pelasgians (opinion of the Ancient Authors!) from which is derived, in part, the ancient Greek. Moreover of other flagrant argument comes to corroborate this last thesis: According to Herodotus ( I,57- VIII, 44- VII,95) the Ionians were Pelasgians (🇦🇱) become Hellenes (🇬🇷) by adopting the Greek language! The ethnonym "Ion" derives from the Pelasgic 🇦🇱 "I onë" ( in Albanian, I jonë ) meaning "ours", that is, by extension, "the one who is ( or was ) part of our family, of our ethnic group" . The assertion of Herodotus, according to which the Athenians and the inhabitants of Attica were of Pelasgic origin, is, before, confirmed by Hecateus of Miletus and, later, by Hellanicos of Mytilèbe (Lesbos) and other ancient authors. Curiously Thucydides, whose chauvinism is not any more to be shown, affirms that Pelops (conqueror of Peloponnese) was a was a foreigner come from Asia (I, 5): the only time when it evokes the foreign origin of one of its a - Therefore, the ancestors of the present Albanians, the Pelasgians, lived during the prehistoric periods in most of the then known world, developing a very important civilization and building works of exceptional value". Source: Great Greek Encyclopedia (Athens, volume. XIX p.873) - "Pelasgians, very ancient people living during the prehistoric period in Greece, in the Archipelago, on the coasts of Asia Minor and Italy. It is generally considered that the ancient Illyrians, Thracians, Phrygians, Lydians, Etruscans, Epirotes (...) and Albanians of today are the main branches of the Pelasgians". Source : Petit journal Larousse (Paris, 1950, p.1599) Karl O.Müller ( is a German archaeologist and mythologist ) : - The more the intelligence will enter the history of Greece, the more the attention will return on the element Pelasgians sacrificed until now . (Prolegomena - 1825) "Will enter" "Pelasgians", "sacrificed".
Athena, Hera and aphrodite: "Zeus choose which of us is the most beautifull!" Zeus: "Not going to pull the pin of that grenade, go and ask that guy paris".
Historical point = Homer in the Iliad and the Odyssey speaks only of Danaans, Achaeans, Argians and not of Greeks. The Hellenes (tribe of Southern Thessaly also called Argos Pelasgians), at his time, did not constitute yet a people or a Nation (Thucydides I,3). He affirms in the Iliad that "Zeus is Pelasgians and dodonean" (XVI,234). Precisely these Pelasgians (🇦🇱) were considered by all the ancient Greek authors as "the first inhabitants of Greece" before "The arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷)"! Another word that was misunderstood or glossed over. Indeed the Greeks arrived from somewhere because they were not indigenous. As they did not come from the North ( one wanted to make us believe the opposite), they could only be foreigners coming from elsewhere. It is this elsewhere which is difficult to define very precisely. But the legends, which are only embellished, idealized or metaphorized historical facts, give us some precious indications on the first foreign ethnic groups having occupied the country of the Pelasgians: the Danaans (Egyptians from whom the Dorians descend), the Cadmeans (Phoenicians) and the Pelopides (Assyrians). Among the peoples of archaic Greece the Ionians, Aeolians and Arcadians were descendants of the Pelasgians, indigenous populations conquered by the Hellenic invaders: they could claim to be indigenous populations. All the ancient authors, including Homer, Hesiod, Hecateus of Miletus, Acousilaos, Hellanicos, Herodotus, Thucydides or Ephorus, inform us succinctly but sufficiently to affirm that before the arrival of the Greeks the Pelasges (🇦🇱) occupied the country that was to become Greece. They also claim that these Pelasges were not Greeks but "Barbaros" i.e. not speaking Greek and, finally, that they LEGAVED TO THE GREEKS A LARGE PART OF THEIR CULTES AND DIVINE. Example: So, everyone has learned (at school etc ...) that Zeus was a Greek god, right? But why in the books of Homer (the basis of the bases!) we never see the so-called "Greek Zeus, Mycenaean Zeus or Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " Here is what Achilles (the greatest warrior of the Trojan War) tells us about Zeus = Achilles: - "Zeus, sovereign lord, O Dodonian prince, O you Pelasgic Zeus (🇦🇱), distant god who reigns over Dodona, in this harsh land of the Stool... " Source : Homer ( Iliad, XVI, 233/234 ) Achilles did not say " O you Zeus the Greek, O you Zeus the Mycenaean or O you Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " So why did they tell us that Zeus was a Greek? With this alone, we can see that modern historiography is not honest! Zeus = Zâ, Zani ( gheg ), Zê, Zeri ( Tosk ) Before securing power over the other gods, Zeus was the god of the luminous sky, of atmospheric phenomena (clouds, rain, wind, lightning, thunder). It was said of him "Zeus rains or Zeus thunders". With Homer and Hesiod, he acquired a preeminent role among the gods of Olympus and a place of choice in the mytological cosmogony. Some say that the name Zeus evokes the Sanskrit root "Dyaus" meaning "the day" (Latin Dies). However Homer states that "Zeus is Pelasgic 🇦🇱 and Dodonean" ( Iliad XVI,234). The oldest sanctuary, dedicated by the Pelasges to Zeus, is that of Dodone, in Thesprotia (ancient Pelasgia, called Epirus, the 5th century) . In Dodona was a sacred oak whose rustling leaves were interpreted by the oracle as the "VOICE" of Zeus. The attributes of Zeus are the Eagle, the Lightning and the Scepter. Moreover, lightning means "thunder", thus "noise" or "voice". Thus the name of Zeus can be explained by the Albanian "Zâ, Zani, the "voice", the verb". With the arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷) this oracle lost its importance to Delphi, the "Greek" sanctuary (of Apollo) par excellence. It should be noted that in Albania, God is called Zot (Zeus = Zojz = Zot), all religions combined. Moreover the expression "by Zeus" (who forgives) is always used there "për zotën". Porphyry (Life of Pythagoras) reports that Pythagoras used "Zan" to designate Zeus! ) This alone is enough to convince us that a great civilization, not Greek, existed WELL BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE HELLENES (🇬🇷) Neibhur (FOUNDER OF THE MODERN SCHOOL OF ANCIENT HISTORY!): "The name Pelasgians was probably that of a nation and, in any case, THE GREEK EXPLANATIONS ON THIS SUBJECT ARE ABSURD!" Source: The History of Rome Volume I, p.507 It is the meaning of this famous word "ARRIVED" that the modern authors (majority) did not quite seize (or occulted). Everything has been said and its opposite on this subject. Until the discovery of the so-called Mycenaean tablets, "deciphered" by Ventris and Chadwick, the doubt remained in their minds! But as soon as these two scholars decreed that the Mycenaean linear B (in reality Pelasgians!) was of the old Greek, all rocked in favor of the thesis of the continuity of the two civilizations (Mycenaean and Greek) and this in spite of FOUR CENTURIES, I repeat "FOUR CENTURIES !!!! "of MAGISTRATIC SILENCE! It is this theory that Mathieu Aref dismantles with arguments to SUPPORT because nobody suspected that this Mycenaean (total invention of Schliemann, who is not even an archaeologist but a Businessman! ) was none other than ancient Pelasgians (opinion of the Ancient Authors!) from which is derived, in part, the ancient Greek. Moreover of other flagrant argument comes to corroborate this last thesis: According to Herodotus ( I,57- VIII, 44- VII,95) the Ionians were Pelasgians (🇦🇱) become Hellenes (🇬🇷) by adopting the Greek language! The ethnonym "Ion" derives from the Pelasgic 🇦🇱 "I onë" ( in Albanian, I jonë ) meaning "ours", that is, by extension, "the one who is ( or was ) part of our family, of our ethnic group" . The assertion of Herodotus, according to which the Athenians and the inhabitants of Attica were of Pelasgic origin, is, before, confirmed by Hecateus of Miletus and, later, by Hellanicos of Mytilèbe (Lesbos) and other ancient authors. Curiously Thucydides, whose chauvinism is not any more to be shown, affirms that Pelops (conqueror of Peloponnese) was a was a foreigner come from Asia (I, 5): the only time when it evokes the foreign origin of one of its a - Therefore, the ancestors of the present Albanians, the Pelasgians, lived during the prehistoric periods in most of the then known world, developing a very important civilization and building works of exceptional value". Source: Great Greek Encyclopedia (Athens, volume. XIX p.873) - "Pelasgians, very ancient people living during the prehistoric period in Greece, in the Archipelago, on the coasts of Asia Minor and Italy. It is generally considered that the ancient Illyrians, Thracians, Phrygians, Lydians, Etruscans, Epirotes (...) and Albanians of today are the main branches of the Pelasgians". Source : Petit journal Larousse (Paris, 1950, p.1599) Karl O.Müller ( is a German archaeologist and mythologist ) : - The more the intelligence will enter the history of Greece, the more the attention will return on the element Pelasgians sacrificed until now . (Prolegomena - 1825) "Will enter" "Pelasgians", "sacrificed".
@@EroticOnion23 I just love the story of Artemis turning a guy who tried to rape her into a girl, so he would have to live in fear of someone doing that to him for the rest of his life as punishment.
*Rick primes his mind eraser as he aims at the back of Morty's spacesuit helmet, takes a final sip from his flask, burps, and says...* _"Always has Morty"_
Historical point = Homer in the Iliad and the Odyssey speaks only of Danaans, Achaeans, Argians and not of Greeks. The Hellenes (tribe of Southern Thessaly also called Argos Pelasgians), at his time, did not constitute yet a people or a Nation (Thucydides I,3). He affirms in the Iliad that "Zeus is Pelasgians and dodonean" (XVI,234). Precisely these Pelasgians (🇦🇱) were considered by all the ancient Greek authors as "the first inhabitants of Greece" before "The arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷)"! Another word that was misunderstood or glossed over. Indeed the Greeks arrived from somewhere because they were not indigenous. As they did not come from the North ( one wanted to make us believe the opposite), they could only be foreigners coming from elsewhere. It is this elsewhere which is difficult to define very precisely. But the legends, which are only embellished, idealized or metaphorized historical facts, give us some precious indications on the first foreign ethnic groups having occupied the country of the Pelasgians: the Danaans (Egyptians from whom the Dorians descend), the Cadmeans (Phoenicians) and the Pelopides (Assyrians). Among the peoples of archaic Greece the Ionians, Aeolians and Arcadians were descendants of the Pelasgians, indigenous populations conquered by the Hellenic invaders: they could claim to be indigenous populations. All the ancient authors, including Homer, Hesiod, Hecateus of Miletus, Acousilaos, Hellanicos, Herodotus, Thucydides or Ephorus, inform us succinctly but sufficiently to affirm that before the arrival of the Greeks the Pelasges (🇦🇱) occupied the country that was to become Greece. They also claim that these Pelasges were not Greeks but "Barbaros" i.e. not speaking Greek and, finally, that they LEGAVED TO THE GREEKS A LARGE PART OF THEIR CULTES AND DIVINE. Example: So, everyone has learned (at school etc ...) that Zeus was a Greek god, right? But why in the books of Homer (the basis of the bases!) we never see the so-called "Greek Zeus, Mycenaean Zeus or Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " Here is what Achilles (the greatest warrior of the Trojan War) tells us about Zeus = Achilles: - "Zeus, sovereign lord, O Dodonian prince, O you Pelasgic Zeus (🇦🇱), distant god who reigns over Dodona, in this harsh land of the Stool... " Source : Homer ( Iliad, XVI, 233/234 ) Achilles did not say " O you Zeus the Greek, O you Zeus the Mycenaean or O you Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " So why did they tell us that Zeus was a Greek? With this alone, we can see that modern historiography is not honest! Zeus = Zâ, Zani ( gheg ), Zê, Zeri ( Tosk ) Before securing power over the other gods, Zeus was the god of the luminous sky, of atmospheric phenomena (clouds, rain, wind, lightning, thunder). It was said of him "Zeus rains or Zeus thunders". With Homer and Hesiod, he acquired a preeminent role among the gods of Olympus and a place of choice in the mytological cosmogony. Some say that the name Zeus evokes the Sanskrit root "Dyaus" meaning "the day" (Latin Dies). However Homer states that "Zeus is Pelasgic 🇦🇱 and Dodonean" ( Iliad XVI,234). The oldest sanctuary, dedicated by the Pelasges to Zeus, is that of Dodone, in Thesprotia (ancient Pelasgia, called Epirus, the 5th century) . In Dodona was a sacred oak whose rustling leaves were interpreted by the oracle as the "VOICE" of Zeus. The attributes of Zeus are the Eagle, the Lightning and the Scepter. Moreover, lightning means "thunder", thus "noise" or "voice". Thus the name of Zeus can be explained by the Albanian "Zâ, Zani, the "voice", the verb". With the arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷) this oracle lost its importance to Delphi, the "Greek" sanctuary (of Apollo) par excellence. It should be noted that in Albania, God is called Zot (Zeus = Zojz = Zot), all religions combined. Moreover the expression "by Zeus" (who forgives) is always used there "për zotën". Porphyry (Life of Pythagoras) reports that Pythagoras used "Zan" to designate Zeus! ) This alone is enough to convince us that a great civilization, not Greek, existed WELL BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE HELLENES (🇬🇷) Neibhur (FOUNDER OF THE MODERN SCHOOL OF ANCIENT HISTORY!): "The name Pelasgians was probably that of a nation and, in any case, THE GREEK EXPLANATIONS ON THIS SUBJECT ARE ABSURD!" Source: The History of Rome Volume I, p.507 It is the meaning of this famous word "ARRIVED" that the modern authors (majority) did not quite seize (or occulted). Everything has been said and its opposite on this subject. Until the discovery of the so-called Mycenaean tablets, "deciphered" by Ventris and Chadwick, the doubt remained in their minds! But as soon as these two scholars decreed that the Mycenaean linear B (in reality Pelasgians!) was of the old Greek, all rocked in favor of the thesis of the continuity of the two civilizations (Mycenaean and Greek) and this in spite of FOUR CENTURIES, I repeat "FOUR CENTURIES !!!! "of MAGISTRATIC SILENCE! It is this theory that Mathieu Aref dismantles with arguments to SUPPORT because nobody suspected that this Mycenaean (total invention of Schliemann, who is not even an archaeologist but a Businessman! ) was none other than ancient Pelasgians (opinion of the Ancient Authors!) from which is derived, in part, the ancient Greek. Moreover of other flagrant argument comes to corroborate this last thesis: According to Herodotus ( I,57- VIII, 44- VII,95) the Ionians were Pelasgians (🇦🇱) become Hellenes (🇬🇷) by adopting the Greek language! The ethnonym "Ion" derives from the Pelasgic 🇦🇱 "I onë" ( in Albanian, I jonë ) meaning "ours", that is, by extension, "the one who is ( or was ) part of our family, of our ethnic group" . The assertion of Herodotus, according to which the Athenians and the inhabitants of Attica were of Pelasgic origin, is, before, confirmed by Hecateus of Miletus and, later, by Hellanicos of Mytilèbe (Lesbos) and other ancient authors. Curiously Thucydides, whose chauvinism is not any more to be shown, affirms that Pelops (conqueror of Peloponnese) was a was a foreigner come from Asia (I, 5): the only time when it evokes the foreign origin of one of its a - Therefore, the ancestors of the present Albanians, the Pelasgians, lived during the prehistoric periods in most of the then known world, developing a very important civilization and building works of exceptional value". Source: Great Greek Encyclopedia (Athens, volume. XIX p.873) - "Pelasgians, very ancient people living during the prehistoric period in Greece, in the Archipelago, on the coasts of Asia Minor and Italy. It is generally considered that the ancient Illyrians, Thracians, Phrygians, Lydians, Etruscans, Epirotes (...) and Albanians of today are the main branches of the Pelasgians". Source : Petit journal Larousse (Paris, 1950, p.1599) Karl O.Müller ( is a German archaeologist and mythologist ) : - The more the intelligence will enter the history of Greece, the more the attention will return on the element Pelasgians sacrificed until now . (Prolegomena - 1825) "Will enter" "Pelasgians", "sacrificed".
Eris didn't put the apple because Zeus told her to, she wasn't invited to the banquette of a wedding and she got upset. she wanted to sow discord among the gods. Also it was Hecuba that had the dream not Priam, and it was interpreted by the seer Aesacus. She saw that she gave birth to a flaming torch. The seer then said that Alexander/Paris was the child to fulfill the prophecy that "A child of royal blood will bring about the fall of Troy"
In one version (however this if of course only a popularized version of the legend and may differ) the man who interpreted that omen was Priams son from his late first wife.
Aphrodite: ”l promised you the most beautiful woman in the world. ” Paris: ”uhmmm... " Aphrodite: ”I’m taken, Paris. ” *Later offers Paris another ”taken” woman.
@@shorewall Priam's cousin Anchises did settle for a night with Aphrodite. He didn't die, but the Goddess made him forswear all other women for the rest of his life :( On the plus side Anchises got a son on Aphrodite named Aeneas, who went on to become the ancestor of the Romans :)
Aphrodite just didn't want the guy saying every other girl was worse. It would hurt them. Or worse, she didn't want anyone else to be claimed as better
Historical point = Homer in the Iliad and the Odyssey speaks only of Danaans, Achaeans, Argians and not of Greeks. The Hellenes (tribe of Southern Thessaly also called Argos Pelasgians), at his time, did not constitute yet a people or a Nation (Thucydides I,3). He affirms in the Iliad that "Zeus is Pelasgians and dodonean" (XVI,234). Precisely these Pelasgians (🇦🇱) were considered by all the ancient Greek authors as "the first inhabitants of Greece" before "The arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷)"! Another word that was misunderstood or glossed over. Indeed the Greeks arrived from somewhere because they were not indigenous. As they did not come from the North ( one wanted to make us believe the opposite), they could only be foreigners coming from elsewhere. It is this elsewhere which is difficult to define very precisely. But the legends, which are only embellished, idealized or metaphorized historical facts, give us some precious indications on the first foreign ethnic groups having occupied the country of the Pelasgians: the Danaans (Egyptians from whom the Dorians descend), the Cadmeans (Phoenicians) and the Pelopides (Assyrians). Among the peoples of archaic Greece the Ionians, Aeolians and Arcadians were descendants of the Pelasgians, indigenous populations conquered by the Hellenic invaders: they could claim to be indigenous populations. All the ancient authors, including Homer, Hesiod, Hecateus of Miletus, Acousilaos, Hellanicos, Herodotus, Thucydides or Ephorus, inform us succinctly but sufficiently to affirm that before the arrival of the Greeks the Pelasges (🇦🇱) occupied the country that was to become Greece. They also claim that these Pelasges were not Greeks but "Barbaros" i.e. not speaking Greek and, finally, that they LEGAVED TO THE GREEKS A LARGE PART OF THEIR CULTES AND DIVINE. Example: So, everyone has learned (at school etc ...) that Zeus was a Greek god, right? But why in the books of Homer (the basis of the bases!) we never see the so-called "Greek Zeus, Mycenaean Zeus or Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " Here is what Achilles (the greatest warrior of the Trojan War) tells us about Zeus = Achilles: - "Zeus, sovereign lord, O Dodonian prince, O you Pelasgic Zeus (🇦🇱), distant god who reigns over Dodona, in this harsh land of the Stool... " Source : Homer ( Iliad, XVI, 233/234 ) Achilles did not say " O you Zeus the Greek, O you Zeus the Mycenaean or O you Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " So why did they tell us that Zeus was a Greek? With this alone, we can see that modern historiography is not honest! Zeus = Zâ, Zani ( gheg ), Zê, Zeri ( Tosk ) Before securing power over the other gods, Zeus was the god of the luminous sky, of atmospheric phenomena (clouds, rain, wind, lightning, thunder). It was said of him "Zeus rains or Zeus thunders". With Homer and Hesiod, he acquired a preeminent role among the gods of Olympus and a place of choice in the mytological cosmogony. Some say that the name Zeus evokes the Sanskrit root "Dyaus" meaning "the day" (Latin Dies). However Homer states that "Zeus is Pelasgic 🇦🇱 and Dodonean" ( Iliad XVI,234). The oldest sanctuary, dedicated by the Pelasges to Zeus, is that of Dodone, in Thesprotia (ancient Pelasgia, called Epirus, the 5th century) . In Dodona was a sacred oak whose rustling leaves were interpreted by the oracle as the "VOICE" of Zeus. The attributes of Zeus are the Eagle, the Lightning and the Scepter. Moreover, lightning means "thunder", thus "noise" or "voice". Thus the name of Zeus can be explained by the Albanian "Zâ, Zani, the "voice", the verb". With the arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷) this oracle lost its importance to Delphi, the "Greek" sanctuary (of Apollo) par excellence. It should be noted that in Albania, God is called Zot (Zeus = Zojz = Zot), all religions combined. Moreover the expression "by Zeus" (who forgives) is always used there "për zotën". Porphyry (Life of Pythagoras) reports that Pythagoras used "Zan" to designate Zeus! ) This alone is enough to convince us that a great civilization, not Greek, existed WELL BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE HELLENES (🇬🇷) Neibhur (FOUNDER OF THE MODERN SCHOOL OF ANCIENT HISTORY!): "The name Pelasgians was probably that of a nation and, in any case, THE GREEK EXPLANATIONS ON THIS SUBJECT ARE ABSURD!" Source: The History of Rome Volume I, p.507 It is the meaning of this famous word "ARRIVED" that the modern authors (majority) did not quite seize (or occulted). Everything has been said and its opposite on this subject. Until the discovery of the so-called Mycenaean tablets, "deciphered" by Ventris and Chadwick, the doubt remained in their minds! But as soon as these two scholars decreed that the Mycenaean linear B (in reality Pelasgians!) was of the old Greek, all rocked in favor of the thesis of the continuity of the two civilizations (Mycenaean and Greek) and this in spite of FOUR CENTURIES, I repeat "FOUR CENTURIES !!!! "of MAGISTRATIC SILENCE! It is this theory that Mathieu Aref dismantles with arguments to SUPPORT because nobody suspected that this Mycenaean (total invention of Schliemann, who is not even an archaeologist but a Businessman! ) was none other than ancient Pelasgians (opinion of the Ancient Authors!) from which is derived, in part, the ancient Greek. Moreover of other flagrant argument comes to corroborate this last thesis: According to Herodotus ( I,57- VIII, 44- VII,95) the Ionians were Pelasgians (🇦🇱) become Hellenes (🇬🇷) by adopting the Greek language! The ethnonym "Ion" derives from the Pelasgic 🇦🇱 "I onë" ( in Albanian, I jonë ) meaning "ours", that is, by extension, "the one who is ( or was ) part of our family, of our ethnic group" . The assertion of Herodotus, according to which the Athenians and the inhabitants of Attica were of Pelasgic origin, is, before, confirmed by Hecateus of Miletus and, later, by Hellanicos of Mytilèbe (Lesbos) and other ancient authors. Curiously Thucydides, whose chauvinism is not any more to be shown, affirms that Pelops (conqueror of Peloponnese) was a was a foreigner come from Asia (I, 5): the only time when it evokes the foreign origin of one of its a - Therefore, the ancestors of the present Albanians, the Pelasgians, lived during the prehistoric periods in most of the then known world, developing a very important civilization and building works of exceptional value". Source: Great Greek Encyclopedia (Athens, volume. XIX p.873) - "Pelasgians, very ancient people living during the prehistoric period in Greece, in the Archipelago, on the coasts of Asia Minor and Italy. It is generally considered that the ancient Illyrians, Thracians, Phrygians, Lydians, Etruscans, Epirotes (...) and Albanians of today are the main branches of the Pelasgians". Source : Petit journal Larousse (Paris, 1950, p.1599) Karl O.Müller ( is a German archaeologist and mythologist ) : - The more the intelligence will enter the history of Greece, the more the attention will return on the element Pelasgians sacrificed until now . (Prolegomena - 1825) "Will enter" "Pelasgians", "sacrificed".
There are so many allegorical elements that it makes it difficult to pars the historical events. When I hear the story of Paris, I see an allegory a father or mother tells their son about whom to marry. There are three factors of human worth displayed for Paris. IF Paris were smart, he would've known wisdom would get him both wealth and power and a beautiful wife. Wealth and power would also likely get him a beautiful wife. But Paris, the fool, wanted the MOST beautiful woman and placed physical beauty above all other considerations. That's gotta be allegorical. But we've found the city(ies) of Troy, or something so likely that the archaeological community doesn't mind expressing high confidence in the find being Troy.
There's a number of allegorical stories in the Trojan War myths that carry quite a deep meaning. Agamemnon sacrificing his daughter to clear the storms so his army can sail to Troy is also an alegory for sacrificing everything and everyone you hold dear in the name of your obsession.
Some historians dispute certain things that Homer said went on in this war. Such as the number of Greek ships. But nice vide otherwise. Hope part 2 comes soon.
Historians dispute way more than that. While it's agreed Troy existed and was attacked that's pretty much all we know. Pretty much everything else is legend, all the characters, the events, the cause, the duration, the results none of it is know. Basically historians don't believe anything much Homer said, they even dispute the existence of Homer.
It's a romantic way of putting it but in reality the war between two nations was because the Trojans kept stealing fashion ideas from the Myceneans. Especially the sandals. So after a load 'nu uh gurlfrien', they went to war. Tru story. My mum was there
There is an excellent comic book about this called age of bronze which actually depicts the characters with accurate clothing and weapons fo the time, and no godly intervention, just the story of a war fought by great men.
But you can not understand Bronze Age / Heroic Age history and culture without understanding that gods were very active in human affairs at the time. The only complete book we have from that time is The Epic of Gilgamesh, but things that were passed down orally and written down 500 years later like Homer, the Jewish Torah and plenty of others all involve the gods of their societies being actively involved in events. Even the rather dry Hittite state archives refer to various divine activities. While we live in a society where no one but the most intense religious fundamentalists believe in direct divine intervention in our affairs today, we can't apply that attitude to 3,500 years ago. If we try to remove gods from that time, there are such huge gaps in the culture and history of that time that nothing would make sense.
@@Dave_Sisson You could say something like "he tought gods made him strong" instead of "he sacrificed his first born son so gods gave him the power of hercules". Of course you can talk about history without godly interventions, I mean, there isn't any. Sure they are important for understanding their culture and way of thinking but I think if you are interested in what really happened, stripping godly interventions from the myths would be a good start.
I've always wondered...as women in Spartan society in the age of Homer controlled most of the noble material wealth, did Paris actually "steal" anything from Menelaus? If the Spartan power structure was the same in the age of heroes then that wealth would have belonged to Helen herself. Paris may have been exploiting the matriarchal elements of Spartan culture to abscond with political and material power through Helen and/or Helen may have seen this prince and future ruler as someone she could more easily manipulate and rule through. Homer was not of a culture that would acknowledge Helen, a woman, as having any power and agency of her own...had the poet been Spartan however...
Maybe that is only during the 'Dorian' Spartan times, Trojan War was ~400 years before that and the 'Spartans' were like typical Greeks during that time (patriarchal). Maybe...
jokesonu420 ya sorry I worded my comment wrong I knew it happened just not the massive 10 year war as in the poems. I know the city of Troy has been discovered and they have found signs of war inside of the city so maybe it could’ve been on such a massive scale?
It was a conflict area between the Hittite and the Myceans. The trojan war is a metafor for the bronze age collapse because in the end there are no victors.
It would be interesting to go back and see what happened; It makes sense that it could have happened, although the details probably differ greatly from what we get from the Ilyiad. BTW, the list 1000+ ships, and the leaders, doesn't exactly seem 'made up', but has led to grossly overestimating the number of fighters the Acheans brought: whenever a ship (boat) is described as "hollow", it may indicate that the hull is a different shape, for a different purpose, as the word "hollow" would imply they are ~empty (obviously crewed with a few sailors...), as their purpose is to transport captives/slaves back to the west! So that means many less fighters.
I have heard the story of the trojan war so many times and everytime its slightly different. The beauty of the oral storytelling tradition really comes through here, as despite their being an overarching story and direction that is always the same, so much of the tale is left to the agency of the storyteller. No wonder the Trojan war is such an enduring and powerful story, with each retelling giving a slightly different perspective, slightly different characters and motivations etc. even for someone who has heard it a thousand times there is always room for innovation
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I found the two books very different in reading, interesting to find that there is a discussion on multiple authors. to me Illiad was the superior book.
Just so everyone knows: Herodotus and Dionysius of Halicarnassus claim the storm actually drove Paris and Helen to Egypt where they were imprisoned until the war concluded (10 years) and then Menelaus came to get her back. They were never in Troy in this version
"Tu sola, o dea Discordia, non vocaris, nam a nulla amaris. Si venies, omnis deus in Olympo ira movebitur." You alone, oh goddess Discordia, will not be called, since you are loved by no one. If you come, all god in Olympus will be moved by anger. Discrodia (Eris) was not invited by Jupiter hence why she tossed the Golden Apple.
That Zeus did not learn his lesson, so it seemed, for again an apple was rolled into the crowd, with the inscription: For the most beautiful, and again the three goddesses, Hera, wife of Zeus, Athena, daughter of Zeus, and Aphrodite, the other daughter of Zeus, clamoured for it as rabid dogs. Being not able to resolve the quarrel amongst themselves, the three women went to Zeus, and demanded a judgement from him as to whom should receive the apple, again. But Zeus had learned something, at least, and so he sent the three women to a man down on the Earth, where his judgement was pronounced the fairest in all the land and amongst all mortal men. Thus, the three goddesses went to Earth again, disguised as three mortal women, and petitioned the man for a judgement. “Ah,” said the man, who was in the middle of polishing a lectern. “Good question,” so he said, and turned around to face the three women, having not noticed their extraordinary beauty, so it would seem. “To answer that question, we must first consider the point about Beauty; namely, how we define beauty in a post-modernist world. The ancients had many standards for beauty, namely sexual traits such as body shape and the size of genitalia, which had in an evolutionary sense utility in procreation. However, the modern sense of beauty is further detached from natural senses, even though they are inextricably linked in fundamental matters, as far as the deviates would allow. “Now, to answer your question, point 1, beauty in terms of the beholder, which considers the knowledge of beauty in terms of the knower’s perspective. Point 1.A, the knower’s perspective in the theory of mind, considering the elements which make up the knower’s perspective as Point 1.A.i, knowledge in terms of the seven ways of knowing, Point 1.A.i.a, knowledge from a sensory perspective, which can be thought of as...” And the man continued until the sky was dark, and the premises were vacated, except for the soft droning of his voice, and he continued “Thus, where Point 2 being the difference of the theory of mind between individuals as considered from a societal perspective, the theory of beauty being linked with societal norms and-” “Yes, but which one of us is the most beautiful?” interrupted Aprhodite, daughter of Zeus. “Well I wouldn’t know,” said the man, “I’m blind.” And thus, Athena, daughter of Zeus, thanked the man, and presented him with the gift of a silver tongue, which never tired, even when one wished it to, and they departed.
Let me just say i'm really liking this new narrator(i know he's not exactly *new*, lol, but didn't think of commenting before). Gives a whole different vibe to the history videos.
I imagine it to be terrifying. I mean threats of war today is scary, but imagine in that time, you're just a bloke enjoying your life, then you get conscripted to the army willy nilly when your king said so
Unless you're literally the top 0.1% of society your life would be just busting your ass growing crops for your betters, and also probably the first to get massacred/enslaved during raids and wartime...even the elite did not have the Internet, plumbing, advanced medicine, air conditioning, etc...
Having to choose between three women was a no-win situation. Zeus was wise to pass on it. Poor Paris could not evade it. He was doomed from the start. But IMHO his best bet would have been Athena. She had more to offer than the others: wisdom and skill in arms. Besides, Aphrodite was not as dangerous as the other two. He would have only made an enemy of Hera. Bad enough; but the best he could have done. Athena would neutralize Hera. What do you think? Whom would you have chosen, and why?
Hi @invicta, I first discovered your channel when you used to play TW: Warhammer. Was wondering if you still play TW esp. the new TW: Troy? Great topic for this =)
Someday we need a Game of Thrones style Tv series retelling the Illyad. I guess the guy playing Odysseus would win any Emmy imaginable if he does the character right. Not even 10 movies could make this story justice
Apparently, archeologists believe that Troy was a city of 5000 - 10000 (very small nowadays, but massive in the bronze age), with an active military of ~600 (at the start of the war at least). With their allies, the Trojan force was probably no more than ~1000 not accounting emergency conscription. I wish there will be movies or games that have a realistic view of the Trojan War with smaller squad type combat; unlike the Brad Pitt movie with thousands and thousands on screen or the latest TW: Troy...
According the Greek mythology the founder of Troy was Dardanus the ARCADIAN from Pelloponese south Greece is obvious when you reading Homer that Greeks And Trojan speaking the same language they know each other very well who is who ,and they have the same God's ,also some God's like APOLLO and Hersasupported the Trojans,and in Greek Mythology reported one generation before The Trojan war Hercules with an expedition force from Greek mainland rooms Illion the Greek name for Troy after besiege ,after that APOLLO build New Walls that's why was so difficult for the Myceneans to Conqer the city .
I seriously doubt one could really chop off someone’s hands with a bronze sword. Homer was anachronistic here, describing the action of iron swords in his own time. :)
I believe it wasn't Zeus that started it, but it was Eris who dropped the apple out of spite for not getting invited to the wedding of Achilles' parents and Zeus chose not to get involved out of fear of fury of the ones he didn't choose. And as for Troy Total War it is definitely worth the pick up and the Amazons pack comes out on the 24th for free to those who have a Total War account
I think I would have gone with Hera if only to avoid her wrath and renowned ability to hold a grudge. I would rather have wisdom, but I think Athena would be more chill about the rejection.
There's several things 1. paris was a wicked man, he had to say: be ashamed of thyneselves for beauty is only in the eye of the beholder (thus none could win or lose) 2. I think the deer is a more creddible source, as killing a man would fill one up with impurity. how awfull was greece, for what is the value of man? man can only know after living. killing man prematurely thus is the lowliest act.
Hey, lately I have been watching alot of your total war gameplay and one thing i notice is that no matter who won it seems both side always suffer near 70% casaulty so i wonder how ancient battle usually end in a massive casaulty on one side and minimal loss on the winning side even though they were slogging it out for hours.
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I wonder if Homer's readers called hacks on the idea that Priam and Hecuba had 50 sons. I mean seriously, they didn't even have a single daughter? And that many offspring from just one wife, not even a concubine, especially in an age when death by childbirth was as real as the possibility of dying in battle? If you lived in that time would you buy that without any divine intervention like we see in the Epic Cycle?
Will this series and battles be shown like in the series about Jewish revolt and siege of Jerusalem? Also, by the way. Is Carthage series going to take a break or will we get Third Punic War and siege of Carthage some time soon?
In this series we take a look at the events of the Trojan War as recounted by Homer. Please note that this depiction diverges from the actual Bronze Age event which we will be covering in another episode. As a result, the art (weapons/armour) is more of a reflection of Greece as Homer would have understood it in his own time.
@Daemone Entheus Can you elaborate on this a bit more? I think this word would apply to them since the gods sport very human personalities and are just as flawed as their mortal underlings, something all greeks were very much aware of.
Funny how the apple plays into some form of temptation.
@@xyAKMxy I think what he means is that gods are such supreme beings in power and beauty, that they would be able to fool/seduce/manipulate any mortal into bumping uglies
I LOVED THIS VIDEO! I hope you plan on doing more on the trojan war?!
@@ignazioacerenza9881 Oh I see what you mean now
The Original Trilogy:
The Iliad - the original
The Odyssey - the sequel
The Aeneid - the spinoff
Correction: The Aeneid was "the ripoff"
Historical point =
Homer in the Iliad and the Odyssey speaks only of Danaans, Achaeans, Argians and not of Greeks.
The Hellenes (tribe of Southern Thessaly also called Argos Pelasgians), at his time, did not constitute yet a people or a Nation (Thucydides I,3).
He affirms in the Iliad that "Zeus is Pelasgians and dodonean" (XVI,234).
Precisely these Pelasgians (🇦🇱) were considered by all the ancient Greek authors as "the first inhabitants of Greece" before "The arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷)"!
Another word that was misunderstood or glossed over. Indeed the Greeks arrived from somewhere because they were not indigenous.
As they did not come from the North ( one wanted to make us believe the opposite), they could only be foreigners coming from elsewhere.
It is this elsewhere which is difficult to define very precisely. But the legends, which are only embellished, idealized or metaphorized historical facts, give us some precious indications on the first foreign ethnic groups having occupied the country of the Pelasgians: the Danaans (Egyptians from whom the Dorians descend), the Cadmeans (Phoenicians) and the Pelopides (Assyrians).
Among the peoples of archaic Greece the Ionians, Aeolians and Arcadians were descendants of the Pelasgians, indigenous populations conquered by the Hellenic invaders: they could claim to be indigenous populations.
All the ancient authors, including Homer, Hesiod, Hecateus of Miletus, Acousilaos, Hellanicos, Herodotus, Thucydides or Ephorus, inform us succinctly but sufficiently to affirm that before the arrival of the Greeks the Pelasges (🇦🇱) occupied the country that was to become Greece.
They also claim that these Pelasges were not Greeks but "Barbaros" i.e. not speaking Greek and, finally, that they LEGAVED TO THE GREEKS A LARGE PART OF THEIR CULTES AND DIVINE.
Example: So, everyone has learned (at school etc ...) that Zeus was a Greek god, right?
But why in the books of Homer (the basis of the bases!) we never see the so-called "Greek Zeus, Mycenaean Zeus or Zeus the Hellenic etc ... "
Here is what Achilles (the greatest warrior of the Trojan War) tells us about Zeus =
Achilles: - "Zeus, sovereign lord, O Dodonian prince, O you Pelasgic Zeus (🇦🇱), distant god who reigns over Dodona, in this harsh land of the Stool... "
Source : Homer ( Iliad, XVI, 233/234 )
Achilles did not say " O you Zeus the Greek, O you Zeus the Mycenaean or O you Zeus the Hellenic etc ... "
So why did they tell us that Zeus was a Greek?
With this alone, we can see that modern historiography is not honest!
Zeus = Zâ, Zani ( gheg ), Zê, Zeri ( Tosk )
Before securing power over the other gods, Zeus was the god of the luminous sky, of atmospheric phenomena (clouds, rain, wind, lightning, thunder).
It was said of him "Zeus rains or Zeus thunders". With Homer and Hesiod, he acquired a preeminent role among the gods of Olympus and a place of choice in the mytological cosmogony.
Some say that the name Zeus evokes the Sanskrit root "Dyaus" meaning "the day" (Latin Dies). However Homer states that "Zeus is Pelasgic 🇦🇱 and Dodonean" ( Iliad XVI,234).
The oldest sanctuary, dedicated by the Pelasges to Zeus, is that of Dodone, in Thesprotia (ancient Pelasgia, called Epirus, the 5th century) .
In Dodona was a sacred oak whose rustling leaves were interpreted by the oracle as the "VOICE" of Zeus.
The attributes of Zeus are the Eagle, the Lightning and the Scepter. Moreover, lightning means "thunder", thus "noise" or "voice".
Thus the name of Zeus can be explained by the Albanian "Zâ, Zani, the "voice", the verb".
With the arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷) this oracle lost its importance to Delphi, the "Greek" sanctuary (of Apollo) par excellence.
It should be noted that in Albania, God is called Zot (Zeus = Zojz = Zot), all religions combined. Moreover the expression "by Zeus" (who forgives) is always used there "për zotën".
Porphyry (Life of Pythagoras) reports that Pythagoras used "Zan" to designate Zeus! )
This alone is enough to convince us that a great civilization, not Greek, existed WELL BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE HELLENES (🇬🇷)
Neibhur (FOUNDER OF THE MODERN SCHOOL OF ANCIENT HISTORY!):
"The name Pelasgians was probably that of a nation and, in any case, THE GREEK EXPLANATIONS ON THIS SUBJECT ARE ABSURD!"
Source: The History of Rome Volume I, p.507
It is the meaning of this famous word "ARRIVED" that the modern authors (majority) did not quite seize (or occulted).
Everything has been said and its opposite on this subject. Until the discovery of the so-called Mycenaean tablets, "deciphered" by Ventris and Chadwick, the doubt remained in their minds!
But as soon as these two scholars decreed that the Mycenaean linear B (in reality Pelasgians!) was of the old Greek, all rocked in favor of the thesis of the continuity of the two civilizations (Mycenaean and Greek) and this in spite of FOUR CENTURIES, I repeat "FOUR CENTURIES !!!! "of MAGISTRATIC SILENCE!
It is this theory that Mathieu Aref dismantles with arguments to SUPPORT because nobody suspected that this Mycenaean (total invention of Schliemann, who is not even an archaeologist but a Businessman! ) was none other than ancient Pelasgians (opinion of the Ancient Authors!) from which is derived, in part, the ancient Greek.
Moreover of other flagrant argument comes to corroborate this last thesis:
According to Herodotus ( I,57- VIII, 44- VII,95) the Ionians were Pelasgians (🇦🇱) become Hellenes (🇬🇷) by adopting the Greek language!
The ethnonym "Ion" derives from the Pelasgic 🇦🇱 "I onë" ( in Albanian, I jonë ) meaning "ours", that is, by extension, "the one who is ( or was ) part of our family, of our ethnic group" .
The assertion of Herodotus, according to which the Athenians and the inhabitants of Attica were of Pelasgic origin, is, before, confirmed by Hecateus of Miletus and, later, by Hellanicos of Mytilèbe (Lesbos) and other ancient authors.
Curiously Thucydides, whose chauvinism is not any more to be shown, affirms that Pelops (conqueror of Peloponnese) was a was a foreigner come from Asia (I, 5): the only time when it evokes the foreign origin of one of its a
- Therefore, the ancestors of the present Albanians, the Pelasgians, lived during the prehistoric periods in most of the then known world, developing a very important civilization and building works of exceptional value".
Source: Great Greek Encyclopedia (Athens, volume. XIX p.873)
- "Pelasgians, very ancient people living during the prehistoric period in Greece, in the Archipelago, on the coasts of Asia Minor and Italy. It is generally considered that the ancient Illyrians, Thracians, Phrygians, Lydians, Etruscans, Epirotes (...) and Albanians of today are the main branches of the Pelasgians".
Source : Petit journal Larousse (Paris, 1950, p.1599)
Karl O.Müller ( is a German archaeologist and mythologist )
: - The more the intelligence will enter the history of Greece, the more the attention will return on the element Pelasgians sacrificed until now .
(Prolegomena - 1825)
"Will enter" "Pelasgians", "sacrificed".
Athena, Hera and aphrodite: "Zeus choose which of us is the most beautifull!"
Zeus: "Not going to pull the pin of that grenade, go and ask that guy paris".
Picking my wife, my kid born out of a headache, or my aunt born out of the corpse of grandpa being thrown in the sea... Nope.
😂😂😂
Historical point =
Homer in the Iliad and the Odyssey speaks only of Danaans, Achaeans, Argians and not of Greeks.
The Hellenes (tribe of Southern Thessaly also called Argos Pelasgians), at his time, did not constitute yet a people or a Nation (Thucydides I,3).
He affirms in the Iliad that "Zeus is Pelasgians and dodonean" (XVI,234).
Precisely these Pelasgians (🇦🇱) were considered by all the ancient Greek authors as "the first inhabitants of Greece" before "The arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷)"!
Another word that was misunderstood or glossed over. Indeed the Greeks arrived from somewhere because they were not indigenous.
As they did not come from the North ( one wanted to make us believe the opposite), they could only be foreigners coming from elsewhere.
It is this elsewhere which is difficult to define very precisely. But the legends, which are only embellished, idealized or metaphorized historical facts, give us some precious indications on the first foreign ethnic groups having occupied the country of the Pelasgians: the Danaans (Egyptians from whom the Dorians descend), the Cadmeans (Phoenicians) and the Pelopides (Assyrians).
Among the peoples of archaic Greece the Ionians, Aeolians and Arcadians were descendants of the Pelasgians, indigenous populations conquered by the Hellenic invaders: they could claim to be indigenous populations.
All the ancient authors, including Homer, Hesiod, Hecateus of Miletus, Acousilaos, Hellanicos, Herodotus, Thucydides or Ephorus, inform us succinctly but sufficiently to affirm that before the arrival of the Greeks the Pelasges (🇦🇱) occupied the country that was to become Greece.
They also claim that these Pelasges were not Greeks but "Barbaros" i.e. not speaking Greek and, finally, that they LEGAVED TO THE GREEKS A LARGE PART OF THEIR CULTES AND DIVINE.
Example: So, everyone has learned (at school etc ...) that Zeus was a Greek god, right?
But why in the books of Homer (the basis of the bases!) we never see the so-called "Greek Zeus, Mycenaean Zeus or Zeus the Hellenic etc ... "
Here is what Achilles (the greatest warrior of the Trojan War) tells us about Zeus =
Achilles: - "Zeus, sovereign lord, O Dodonian prince, O you Pelasgic Zeus (🇦🇱), distant god who reigns over Dodona, in this harsh land of the Stool... "
Source : Homer ( Iliad, XVI, 233/234 )
Achilles did not say " O you Zeus the Greek, O you Zeus the Mycenaean or O you Zeus the Hellenic etc ... "
So why did they tell us that Zeus was a Greek?
With this alone, we can see that modern historiography is not honest!
Zeus = Zâ, Zani ( gheg ), Zê, Zeri ( Tosk )
Before securing power over the other gods, Zeus was the god of the luminous sky, of atmospheric phenomena (clouds, rain, wind, lightning, thunder).
It was said of him "Zeus rains or Zeus thunders". With Homer and Hesiod, he acquired a preeminent role among the gods of Olympus and a place of choice in the mytological cosmogony.
Some say that the name Zeus evokes the Sanskrit root "Dyaus" meaning "the day" (Latin Dies). However Homer states that "Zeus is Pelasgic 🇦🇱 and Dodonean" ( Iliad XVI,234).
The oldest sanctuary, dedicated by the Pelasges to Zeus, is that of Dodone, in Thesprotia (ancient Pelasgia, called Epirus, the 5th century) .
In Dodona was a sacred oak whose rustling leaves were interpreted by the oracle as the "VOICE" of Zeus.
The attributes of Zeus are the Eagle, the Lightning and the Scepter. Moreover, lightning means "thunder", thus "noise" or "voice".
Thus the name of Zeus can be explained by the Albanian "Zâ, Zani, the "voice", the verb".
With the arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷) this oracle lost its importance to Delphi, the "Greek" sanctuary (of Apollo) par excellence.
It should be noted that in Albania, God is called Zot (Zeus = Zojz = Zot), all religions combined. Moreover the expression "by Zeus" (who forgives) is always used there "për zotën".
Porphyry (Life of Pythagoras) reports that Pythagoras used "Zan" to designate Zeus! )
This alone is enough to convince us that a great civilization, not Greek, existed WELL BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE HELLENES (🇬🇷)
Neibhur (FOUNDER OF THE MODERN SCHOOL OF ANCIENT HISTORY!):
"The name Pelasgians was probably that of a nation and, in any case, THE GREEK EXPLANATIONS ON THIS SUBJECT ARE ABSURD!"
Source: The History of Rome Volume I, p.507
It is the meaning of this famous word "ARRIVED" that the modern authors (majority) did not quite seize (or occulted).
Everything has been said and its opposite on this subject. Until the discovery of the so-called Mycenaean tablets, "deciphered" by Ventris and Chadwick, the doubt remained in their minds!
But as soon as these two scholars decreed that the Mycenaean linear B (in reality Pelasgians!) was of the old Greek, all rocked in favor of the thesis of the continuity of the two civilizations (Mycenaean and Greek) and this in spite of FOUR CENTURIES, I repeat "FOUR CENTURIES !!!! "of MAGISTRATIC SILENCE!
It is this theory that Mathieu Aref dismantles with arguments to SUPPORT because nobody suspected that this Mycenaean (total invention of Schliemann, who is not even an archaeologist but a Businessman! ) was none other than ancient Pelasgians (opinion of the Ancient Authors!) from which is derived, in part, the ancient Greek.
Moreover of other flagrant argument comes to corroborate this last thesis:
According to Herodotus ( I,57- VIII, 44- VII,95) the Ionians were Pelasgians (🇦🇱) become Hellenes (🇬🇷) by adopting the Greek language!
The ethnonym "Ion" derives from the Pelasgic 🇦🇱 "I onë" ( in Albanian, I jonë ) meaning "ours", that is, by extension, "the one who is ( or was ) part of our family, of our ethnic group" .
The assertion of Herodotus, according to which the Athenians and the inhabitants of Attica were of Pelasgic origin, is, before, confirmed by Hecateus of Miletus and, later, by Hellanicos of Mytilèbe (Lesbos) and other ancient authors.
Curiously Thucydides, whose chauvinism is not any more to be shown, affirms that Pelops (conqueror of Peloponnese) was a was a foreigner come from Asia (I, 5): the only time when it evokes the foreign origin of one of its a
- Therefore, the ancestors of the present Albanians, the Pelasgians, lived during the prehistoric periods in most of the then known world, developing a very important civilization and building works of exceptional value".
Source: Great Greek Encyclopedia (Athens, volume. XIX p.873)
- "Pelasgians, very ancient people living during the prehistoric period in Greece, in the Archipelago, on the coasts of Asia Minor and Italy. It is generally considered that the ancient Illyrians, Thracians, Phrygians, Lydians, Etruscans, Epirotes (...) and Albanians of today are the main branches of the Pelasgians".
Source : Petit journal Larousse (Paris, 1950, p.1599)
Karl O.Müller ( is a German archaeologist and mythologist )
: - The more the intelligence will enter the history of Greece, the more the attention will return on the element Pelasgians sacrificed until now .
(Prolegomena - 1825)
"Will enter" "Pelasgians", "sacrificed".
"That's a nice wife you got there" -Paris
"It would be sad if someone took her as his bride" - Mr. Steal ur girl
"That's a great brother you got there" - Achilles.
@@benedictjajo "That's a nice exposed ankle you got there" - Paris
Also Paris: M I N D I F I
S T E A L?
"Is your wife single?"
"It all started with Zeus" - like the rest of things in the greek mytology
Damn you, Zeus!
The greek version of "Once Upon a Time":
"So it started with Zeus, he was having sex with-"
@@knightshousegames *raped
The Greek male gods were very rapey, the Medusa was a priestess who was raped by Poseidon and Athena punished HER for it...
@@EroticOnion23 I just love the story of Artemis turning a guy who tried to rape her into a girl, so he would have to live in fear of someone doing that to him for the rest of his life as punishment.
Almost everything happened in the Greek Mythology was because Zeus was horni.
"It all started with Zeus."
Of course! It's always him! *Shakes fist* ZEEEUUSSSSS!!
*Rick primes his mind eraser as he aims at the back of Morty's spacesuit helmet, takes a final sip from his flask, burps, and says...*
_"Always has Morty"_
Historical point =
Homer in the Iliad and the Odyssey speaks only of Danaans, Achaeans, Argians and not of Greeks.
The Hellenes (tribe of Southern Thessaly also called Argos Pelasgians), at his time, did not constitute yet a people or a Nation (Thucydides I,3).
He affirms in the Iliad that "Zeus is Pelasgians and dodonean" (XVI,234).
Precisely these Pelasgians (🇦🇱) were considered by all the ancient Greek authors as "the first inhabitants of Greece" before "The arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷)"!
Another word that was misunderstood or glossed over. Indeed the Greeks arrived from somewhere because they were not indigenous.
As they did not come from the North ( one wanted to make us believe the opposite), they could only be foreigners coming from elsewhere.
It is this elsewhere which is difficult to define very precisely. But the legends, which are only embellished, idealized or metaphorized historical facts, give us some precious indications on the first foreign ethnic groups having occupied the country of the Pelasgians: the Danaans (Egyptians from whom the Dorians descend), the Cadmeans (Phoenicians) and the Pelopides (Assyrians).
Among the peoples of archaic Greece the Ionians, Aeolians and Arcadians were descendants of the Pelasgians, indigenous populations conquered by the Hellenic invaders: they could claim to be indigenous populations.
All the ancient authors, including Homer, Hesiod, Hecateus of Miletus, Acousilaos, Hellanicos, Herodotus, Thucydides or Ephorus, inform us succinctly but sufficiently to affirm that before the arrival of the Greeks the Pelasges (🇦🇱) occupied the country that was to become Greece.
They also claim that these Pelasges were not Greeks but "Barbaros" i.e. not speaking Greek and, finally, that they LEGAVED TO THE GREEKS A LARGE PART OF THEIR CULTES AND DIVINE.
Example: So, everyone has learned (at school etc ...) that Zeus was a Greek god, right?
But why in the books of Homer (the basis of the bases!) we never see the so-called "Greek Zeus, Mycenaean Zeus or Zeus the Hellenic etc ... "
Here is what Achilles (the greatest warrior of the Trojan War) tells us about Zeus =
Achilles: - "Zeus, sovereign lord, O Dodonian prince, O you Pelasgic Zeus (🇦🇱), distant god who reigns over Dodona, in this harsh land of the Stool... "
Source : Homer ( Iliad, XVI, 233/234 )
Achilles did not say " O you Zeus the Greek, O you Zeus the Mycenaean or O you Zeus the Hellenic etc ... "
So why did they tell us that Zeus was a Greek?
With this alone, we can see that modern historiography is not honest!
Zeus = Zâ, Zani ( gheg ), Zê, Zeri ( Tosk )
Before securing power over the other gods, Zeus was the god of the luminous sky, of atmospheric phenomena (clouds, rain, wind, lightning, thunder).
It was said of him "Zeus rains or Zeus thunders". With Homer and Hesiod, he acquired a preeminent role among the gods of Olympus and a place of choice in the mytological cosmogony.
Some say that the name Zeus evokes the Sanskrit root "Dyaus" meaning "the day" (Latin Dies). However Homer states that "Zeus is Pelasgic 🇦🇱 and Dodonean" ( Iliad XVI,234).
The oldest sanctuary, dedicated by the Pelasges to Zeus, is that of Dodone, in Thesprotia (ancient Pelasgia, called Epirus, the 5th century) .
In Dodona was a sacred oak whose rustling leaves were interpreted by the oracle as the "VOICE" of Zeus.
The attributes of Zeus are the Eagle, the Lightning and the Scepter. Moreover, lightning means "thunder", thus "noise" or "voice".
Thus the name of Zeus can be explained by the Albanian "Zâ, Zani, the "voice", the verb".
With the arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷) this oracle lost its importance to Delphi, the "Greek" sanctuary (of Apollo) par excellence.
It should be noted that in Albania, God is called Zot (Zeus = Zojz = Zot), all religions combined. Moreover the expression "by Zeus" (who forgives) is always used there "për zotën".
Porphyry (Life of Pythagoras) reports that Pythagoras used "Zan" to designate Zeus! )
This alone is enough to convince us that a great civilization, not Greek, existed WELL BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE HELLENES (🇬🇷)
Neibhur (FOUNDER OF THE MODERN SCHOOL OF ANCIENT HISTORY!):
"The name Pelasgians was probably that of a nation and, in any case, THE GREEK EXPLANATIONS ON THIS SUBJECT ARE ABSURD!"
Source: The History of Rome Volume I, p.507
It is the meaning of this famous word "ARRIVED" that the modern authors (majority) did not quite seize (or occulted).
Everything has been said and its opposite on this subject. Until the discovery of the so-called Mycenaean tablets, "deciphered" by Ventris and Chadwick, the doubt remained in their minds!
But as soon as these two scholars decreed that the Mycenaean linear B (in reality Pelasgians!) was of the old Greek, all rocked in favor of the thesis of the continuity of the two civilizations (Mycenaean and Greek) and this in spite of FOUR CENTURIES, I repeat "FOUR CENTURIES !!!! "of MAGISTRATIC SILENCE!
It is this theory that Mathieu Aref dismantles with arguments to SUPPORT because nobody suspected that this Mycenaean (total invention of Schliemann, who is not even an archaeologist but a Businessman! ) was none other than ancient Pelasgians (opinion of the Ancient Authors!) from which is derived, in part, the ancient Greek.
Moreover of other flagrant argument comes to corroborate this last thesis:
According to Herodotus ( I,57- VIII, 44- VII,95) the Ionians were Pelasgians (🇦🇱) become Hellenes (🇬🇷) by adopting the Greek language!
The ethnonym "Ion" derives from the Pelasgic 🇦🇱 "I onë" ( in Albanian, I jonë ) meaning "ours", that is, by extension, "the one who is ( or was ) part of our family, of our ethnic group" .
The assertion of Herodotus, according to which the Athenians and the inhabitants of Attica were of Pelasgic origin, is, before, confirmed by Hecateus of Miletus and, later, by Hellanicos of Mytilèbe (Lesbos) and other ancient authors.
Curiously Thucydides, whose chauvinism is not any more to be shown, affirms that Pelops (conqueror of Peloponnese) was a was a foreigner come from Asia (I, 5): the only time when it evokes the foreign origin of one of its a
- Therefore, the ancestors of the present Albanians, the Pelasgians, lived during the prehistoric periods in most of the then known world, developing a very important civilization and building works of exceptional value".
Source: Great Greek Encyclopedia (Athens, volume. XIX p.873)
- "Pelasgians, very ancient people living during the prehistoric period in Greece, in the Archipelago, on the coasts of Asia Minor and Italy. It is generally considered that the ancient Illyrians, Thracians, Phrygians, Lydians, Etruscans, Epirotes (...) and Albanians of today are the main branches of the Pelasgians".
Source : Petit journal Larousse (Paris, 1950, p.1599)
Karl O.Müller ( is a German archaeologist and mythologist )
: - The more the intelligence will enter the history of Greece, the more the attention will return on the element Pelasgians sacrificed until now .
(Prolegomena - 1825)
"Will enter" "Pelasgians", "sacrificed".
"You let Troy burn for this woman!?"
I mean she was the most beautiful in the world so i guess
@Klaidi Rubiku Look its fine we'll just build it up again (sarcastic)
@Klaidi Rubiku Look idk whats wrong the gods will just spawn another city in.
Darthwolfgamer 2020 the gods demanded their sacrifice in abundance.
@@dendrien Ya man thats how they spawn cities
Eris didn't put the apple because Zeus told her to, she wasn't invited to the banquette of a wedding and she got upset. she wanted to sow discord among the gods.
Also it was Hecuba that had the dream not Priam, and it was interpreted by the seer Aesacus. She saw that she gave birth to a flaming torch. The seer then said that Alexander/Paris was the child to fulfill the prophecy that "A child of royal blood will bring about the fall of Troy"
thanks for the corrections
In one version (however this if of course only a popularized version of the legend and may differ) the man who interpreted that omen was Priams son from his late first wife.
@@InvictaHistory no problem :)
@@marcbartuschka6372 I didn't know about thhat, thanks
He did endorse it however.
I remember reading a conversation between the gods and Zeus saying that it was about time Troy got destroyed
Aphrodite: ”l promised you the most beautiful woman in the world. ”
Paris: ”uhmmm... "
Aphrodite: ”I’m taken, Paris. ”
*Later offers Paris another ”taken” woman.
I would have settled for a night with Aphrodite. :D Maybe die afterwards, but worth. :D
Being 'taken' never stopped the Love Goddess from cheating on her husband with plenty of gods and mortals.
@@shorewall Priam's cousin Anchises did settle for a night with Aphrodite. He didn't die, but the Goddess made him forswear all other women for the rest of his life :(
On the plus side Anchises got a son on Aphrodite named Aeneas, who went on to become the ancestor of the Romans :)
@@monadsingleton9324 First part: That's bad. :(
Second part: That's good! :)
Aphrodite just didn't want the guy saying every other girl was worse. It would hurt them. Or worse, she didn't want anyone else to be claimed as better
Morale of the story: never cross Hera.
Or Athena
Never trust Aphrodite
Speaking of Athena: She seems to be the only Olympian the even Zeus was wary of crossing. Of course, she was also his favorite child.
Atenas was such a headache. Godess of being smart is problematic.
Hera is annoying both in Greek Mythology and Percy Jackson
"Alright, that's finally everyone accounted for, let's give the Trojans hell!"
*Sacks and razes the wrong city*
"...Practice round amirite guys?"
One of the best history videos i ever seen in my life,masterpiece! please make moar
Priam, Alexander and Atreus are mentioned in hittite texts from the second millennium bc. So they're likely semi historical figures.
Honestly the older I get the less unlikely anything is to me.
Homer = Stan lee
Pretty soon Hitler will become a myth too.
@@benedictjajo He's pretty much the modern Satan analogue, a real life Voldemort, "He-who-must-not-be-named". It's as superstitious as any religion.
can you please provide the hittite names for these figures ? or at least provide a source.
I wish armies of Greek women will fight over me.
Historical point =
Homer in the Iliad and the Odyssey speaks only of Danaans, Achaeans, Argians and not of Greeks.
The Hellenes (tribe of Southern Thessaly also called Argos Pelasgians), at his time, did not constitute yet a people or a Nation (Thucydides I,3).
He affirms in the Iliad that "Zeus is Pelasgians and dodonean" (XVI,234).
Precisely these Pelasgians (🇦🇱) were considered by all the ancient Greek authors as "the first inhabitants of Greece" before "The arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷)"!
Another word that was misunderstood or glossed over. Indeed the Greeks arrived from somewhere because they were not indigenous.
As they did not come from the North ( one wanted to make us believe the opposite), they could only be foreigners coming from elsewhere.
It is this elsewhere which is difficult to define very precisely. But the legends, which are only embellished, idealized or metaphorized historical facts, give us some precious indications on the first foreign ethnic groups having occupied the country of the Pelasgians: the Danaans (Egyptians from whom the Dorians descend), the Cadmeans (Phoenicians) and the Pelopides (Assyrians).
Among the peoples of archaic Greece the Ionians, Aeolians and Arcadians were descendants of the Pelasgians, indigenous populations conquered by the Hellenic invaders: they could claim to be indigenous populations.
All the ancient authors, including Homer, Hesiod, Hecateus of Miletus, Acousilaos, Hellanicos, Herodotus, Thucydides or Ephorus, inform us succinctly but sufficiently to affirm that before the arrival of the Greeks the Pelasges (🇦🇱) occupied the country that was to become Greece.
They also claim that these Pelasges were not Greeks but "Barbaros" i.e. not speaking Greek and, finally, that they LEGAVED TO THE GREEKS A LARGE PART OF THEIR CULTES AND DIVINE.
Example: So, everyone has learned (at school etc ...) that Zeus was a Greek god, right?
But why in the books of Homer (the basis of the bases!) we never see the so-called "Greek Zeus, Mycenaean Zeus or Zeus the Hellenic etc ... "
Here is what Achilles (the greatest warrior of the Trojan War) tells us about Zeus =
Achilles: - "Zeus, sovereign lord, O Dodonian prince, O you Pelasgic Zeus (🇦🇱), distant god who reigns over Dodona, in this harsh land of the Stool... "
Source : Homer ( Iliad, XVI, 233/234 )
Achilles did not say " O you Zeus the Greek, O you Zeus the Mycenaean or O you Zeus the Hellenic etc ... "
So why did they tell us that Zeus was a Greek?
With this alone, we can see that modern historiography is not honest!
Zeus = Zâ, Zani ( gheg ), Zê, Zeri ( Tosk )
Before securing power over the other gods, Zeus was the god of the luminous sky, of atmospheric phenomena (clouds, rain, wind, lightning, thunder).
It was said of him "Zeus rains or Zeus thunders". With Homer and Hesiod, he acquired a preeminent role among the gods of Olympus and a place of choice in the mytological cosmogony.
Some say that the name Zeus evokes the Sanskrit root "Dyaus" meaning "the day" (Latin Dies). However Homer states that "Zeus is Pelasgic 🇦🇱 and Dodonean" ( Iliad XVI,234).
The oldest sanctuary, dedicated by the Pelasges to Zeus, is that of Dodone, in Thesprotia (ancient Pelasgia, called Epirus, the 5th century) .
In Dodona was a sacred oak whose rustling leaves were interpreted by the oracle as the "VOICE" of Zeus.
The attributes of Zeus are the Eagle, the Lightning and the Scepter. Moreover, lightning means "thunder", thus "noise" or "voice".
Thus the name of Zeus can be explained by the Albanian "Zâ, Zani, the "voice", the verb".
With the arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷) this oracle lost its importance to Delphi, the "Greek" sanctuary (of Apollo) par excellence.
It should be noted that in Albania, God is called Zot (Zeus = Zojz = Zot), all religions combined. Moreover the expression "by Zeus" (who forgives) is always used there "për zotën".
Porphyry (Life of Pythagoras) reports that Pythagoras used "Zan" to designate Zeus! )
This alone is enough to convince us that a great civilization, not Greek, existed WELL BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE HELLENES (🇬🇷)
Neibhur (FOUNDER OF THE MODERN SCHOOL OF ANCIENT HISTORY!):
"The name Pelasgians was probably that of a nation and, in any case, THE GREEK EXPLANATIONS ON THIS SUBJECT ARE ABSURD!"
Source: The History of Rome Volume I, p.507
It is the meaning of this famous word "ARRIVED" that the modern authors (majority) did not quite seize (or occulted).
Everything has been said and its opposite on this subject. Until the discovery of the so-called Mycenaean tablets, "deciphered" by Ventris and Chadwick, the doubt remained in their minds!
But as soon as these two scholars decreed that the Mycenaean linear B (in reality Pelasgians!) was of the old Greek, all rocked in favor of the thesis of the continuity of the two civilizations (Mycenaean and Greek) and this in spite of FOUR CENTURIES, I repeat "FOUR CENTURIES !!!! "of MAGISTRATIC SILENCE!
It is this theory that Mathieu Aref dismantles with arguments to SUPPORT because nobody suspected that this Mycenaean (total invention of Schliemann, who is not even an archaeologist but a Businessman! ) was none other than ancient Pelasgians (opinion of the Ancient Authors!) from which is derived, in part, the ancient Greek.
Moreover of other flagrant argument comes to corroborate this last thesis:
According to Herodotus ( I,57- VIII, 44- VII,95) the Ionians were Pelasgians (🇦🇱) become Hellenes (🇬🇷) by adopting the Greek language!
The ethnonym "Ion" derives from the Pelasgic 🇦🇱 "I onë" ( in Albanian, I jonë ) meaning "ours", that is, by extension, "the one who is ( or was ) part of our family, of our ethnic group" .
The assertion of Herodotus, according to which the Athenians and the inhabitants of Attica were of Pelasgic origin, is, before, confirmed by Hecateus of Miletus and, later, by Hellanicos of Mytilèbe (Lesbos) and other ancient authors.
Curiously Thucydides, whose chauvinism is not any more to be shown, affirms that Pelops (conqueror of Peloponnese) was a was a foreigner come from Asia (I, 5): the only time when it evokes the foreign origin of one of its a
- Therefore, the ancestors of the present Albanians, the Pelasgians, lived during the prehistoric periods in most of the then known world, developing a very important civilization and building works of exceptional value".
Source: Great Greek Encyclopedia (Athens, volume. XIX p.873)
- "Pelasgians, very ancient people living during the prehistoric period in Greece, in the Archipelago, on the coasts of Asia Minor and Italy. It is generally considered that the ancient Illyrians, Thracians, Phrygians, Lydians, Etruscans, Epirotes (...) and Albanians of today are the main branches of the Pelasgians".
Source : Petit journal Larousse (Paris, 1950, p.1599)
Karl O.Müller ( is a German archaeologist and mythologist )
: - The more the intelligence will enter the history of Greece, the more the attention will return on the element Pelasgians sacrificed until now .
(Prolegomena - 1825)
"Will enter" "Pelasgians", "sacrificed".
This will be good
Because of the title I'm getting flashbacks from the Dawn of War series.
=][= The Emperor Protects =][=
BATUL BRUTHAS! SPEHSS MAHREENS TODEH THA ENUMEH IZ AT AOR DOR!
The Emperor Protects.
There are so many allegorical elements that it makes it difficult to pars the historical events.
When I hear the story of Paris, I see an allegory a father or mother tells their son about whom to marry. There are three factors of human worth displayed for Paris. IF Paris were smart, he would've known wisdom would get him both wealth and power and a beautiful wife. Wealth and power would also likely get him a beautiful wife. But Paris, the fool, wanted the MOST beautiful woman and placed physical beauty above all other considerations.
That's gotta be allegorical. But we've found the city(ies) of Troy, or something so likely that the archaeological community doesn't mind expressing high confidence in the find being Troy.
It's not necessarily Allegorical. Men can take such foolish decisions even today.
Exactly. Had he chosen wisdom he might have been even a great conquerer.
There's a number of allegorical stories in the Trojan War myths that carry quite a deep meaning. Agamemnon sacrificing his daughter to clear the storms so his army can sail to Troy is also an alegory for sacrificing everything and everyone you hold dear in the name of your obsession.
Trojan war is epic from all perspectives! Thank you so much for this and i hope for more on the subject..
I have classics homework on this rn, very useful.
Some historians dispute certain things that Homer said went on in this war. Such as the number of Greek ships. But nice vide otherwise. Hope part 2 comes soon.
Historians dispute way more than that. While it's agreed Troy existed and was attacked that's pretty much all we know. Pretty much everything else is legend, all the characters, the events, the cause, the duration, the results none of it is know. Basically historians don't believe anything much Homer said, they even dispute the existence of Homer.
Learning more here about the plot and events in the Illiad than what I've seen others cover.
It's a romantic way of putting it but in reality the war between two nations was because the Trojans kept stealing fashion ideas from the Myceneans. Especially the sandals. So after a load 'nu uh gurlfrien', they went to war.
Tru story. My mum was there
Them Trojans were jealous of Greek women and their open-cleavage corsets.
@@monadsingleton9324 Also the fact the Trojan men had bigger clevages didn't help with the jealousy
@@gingergreek
Paris was the OG Ladyboy
There is an excellent comic book about this called age of bronze which actually depicts the characters with accurate clothing and weapons fo the time, and no godly intervention, just the story of a war fought by great men.
But you can not understand Bronze Age / Heroic Age history and culture without understanding that gods were very active in human affairs at the time. The only complete book we have from that time is The Epic of Gilgamesh, but things that were passed down orally and written down 500 years later like Homer, the Jewish Torah and plenty of others all involve the gods of their societies being actively involved in events. Even the rather dry Hittite state archives refer to various divine activities.
While we live in a society where no one but the most intense religious fundamentalists believe in direct divine intervention in our affairs today, we can't apply that attitude to 3,500 years ago. If we try to remove gods from that time, there are such huge gaps in the culture and history of that time that nothing would make sense.
@@Dave_Sisson You could say something like "he tought gods made him strong" instead of "he sacrificed his first born son so gods gave him the power of hercules". Of course you can talk about history without godly interventions, I mean, there isn't any. Sure they are important for understanding their culture and way of thinking but I think if you are interested in what really happened, stripping godly interventions from the myths would be a good start.
What if the Illiad was a big "play" and all the art was advertisment for it?
Lmao imagine future historians fining about le miserable and thinking it was the actual french revolution
Maybe not advertisement but a bunch of merch about that play
@@Vin-sv9fm could be both
I've always wondered...as women in Spartan society in the age of Homer controlled most of the noble material wealth, did Paris actually "steal" anything from Menelaus? If the Spartan power structure was the same in the age of heroes then that wealth would have belonged to Helen herself. Paris may have been exploiting the matriarchal elements of Spartan culture to abscond with political and material power through Helen and/or Helen may have seen this prince and future ruler as someone she could more easily manipulate and rule through.
Homer was not of a culture that would acknowledge Helen, a woman, as having any power and agency of her own...had the poet been Spartan however...
Maybe that is only during the 'Dorian' Spartan times, Trojan War was ~400 years before that and the 'Spartans' were like typical Greeks during that time (patriarchal). Maybe...
Holy shit, I've been waiting so long for this subject! Thank you Invicta!😍😍
I have been hoping someone would do this....you are my new favorite channel..keep it up
Please tell me that your version doesn't include Brad Pitt taking 5 additional arrows to the chest after being shot in the ankle by Paris 🙏
Worst Achilles ever!!!!!
@Klaidi Rubiku i thought that they described him as being very tall though, not a measly 5'11"
@Klaidi Rubiku yes, and really burly
Aniston's ex is only toned, not strong in any way. Would die in a forrest within days lol
@@mutolover3851 tall in ancient terms ;)
Can’t wait to hear the exploits of everyone’s favourite rageaholic speed demon, Achilles
Gods fucking speed to him
I wish I could go back in time to the bronze age and see if the trojan war actually happened its an amazing story.
jokesonu420 ya sorry I worded my comment wrong I knew it happened just not the massive 10 year war as in the poems. I know the city of Troy has been discovered and they have found signs of war inside of the city so maybe it could’ve been on such a massive scale?
It was a conflict area between the Hittite and the Myceans. The trojan war is a metafor for the bronze age collapse because in the end there are no victors.
It probably did, but in reality it most probably wasn't as epic as it is described in the myths and legends. You would be disappointed.
@@DeRegelaar That's an opinion, unfounded but by agreeing with others' opinions.
It would be interesting to go back and see what happened; It makes sense that it could have happened, although the details probably differ greatly from what we get from the Ilyiad.
BTW, the list 1000+ ships, and the leaders, doesn't exactly seem 'made up', but has led to grossly overestimating the number of fighters the Acheans brought: whenever a ship (boat) is described as "hollow", it may indicate that the hull is a different shape, for a different purpose, as the word "hollow" would imply they are ~empty (obviously crewed with a few sailors...), as their purpose is to transport captives/slaves back to the west!
So that means many less fighters.
I have heard the story of the trojan war so many times and everytime its slightly different. The beauty of the oral storytelling tradition really comes through here, as despite their being an overarching story and direction that is always the same, so much of the tale is left to the agency of the storyteller. No wonder the Trojan war is such an enduring and powerful story, with each retelling giving a slightly different perspective, slightly different characters and motivations etc. even for someone who has heard it a thousand times there is always room for innovation
A brilliant video, truly. I've learned a lot.
one of the best history channel 🔥🔥
amazing video!
This gave me flashbacks of the movie Troy which is a masterpiece
can't wait for part 2!
Amazing as always
Muuuuuuch better than the History Channel
11:17 So that's a pretty wild sentence
Invicta please make a video about Croatian Kingdom, how it has risen to power and fallen. Also great work!
None cares
@@jothegreek I do and just because you never heared of the kingdom and place it does not mean they do not matter so shut up
Enjoyed! Waiting for the next episode.
I like how this is not only a great video, but I also enjoy both the sponsor part and the product being sponsored. Additionally, I would not have considered getting the product if it wasn't for the sponsorship.
"SHE OWNS. LARGE TRACKS of land!"
This war seems like a Dr. Phil episode
In which Dr. Phil tells Paris that he really ought to have followed the example of Zeus and told those godly thots to begone.
Awesome animation!
Oh wow, just got really stuck into The Illiad these past 2 days. Great timing.
Very informative and interesting..
Here I thought it was because Zeus couldn’t keep it in his pants... again
I mean, he did father Helen with a mortal, and she was kinda the cause, so in a way... :D
I found the two books very different in reading, interesting to find that there is a discussion on multiple authors. to me Illiad was the superior book.
Just so everyone knows: Herodotus and Dionysius of Halicarnassus claim the storm actually drove Paris and Helen to Egypt where they were imprisoned until the war concluded (10 years) and then Menelaus came to get her back. They were never in Troy in this version
I know, I know! But Hollywood has yet to find out, and your average person only understands whatever Hollywood spits out.
I love your videos, you make them so interesting!
Please make full series of the Iliad, Odyssey and the Æneid :)
"Tu sola, o dea Discordia, non vocaris, nam a nulla amaris. Si venies, omnis deus in Olympo ira movebitur."
You alone, oh goddess Discordia, will not be called, since you are loved by no one. If you come, all god in Olympus will be moved by anger.
Discrodia (Eris) was not invited by Jupiter hence why she tossed the Golden Apple.
Are u ready to rumbleeeeeeeee!!!!
That Zeus did not learn his lesson, so it seemed, for again an apple was rolled into the crowd, with the inscription: For the most beautiful, and again the three goddesses, Hera, wife of Zeus, Athena, daughter of Zeus, and Aphrodite, the other daughter of Zeus, clamoured for it as rabid dogs. Being not able to resolve the quarrel amongst themselves, the three women went to Zeus, and demanded a judgement from him as to whom should receive the apple, again.
But Zeus had learned something, at least, and so he sent the three women to a man down on the Earth, where his judgement was pronounced the fairest in all the land and amongst all mortal men. Thus, the three goddesses went to Earth again, disguised as three mortal women, and petitioned the man for a judgement.
“Ah,” said the man, who was in the middle of polishing a lectern. “Good question,” so he said, and turned around to face the three women, having not noticed their extraordinary beauty, so it would seem.
“To answer that question, we must first consider the point about Beauty; namely, how we define beauty in a post-modernist world. The ancients had many standards for beauty, namely sexual traits such as body shape and the size of genitalia, which had in an evolutionary sense utility in procreation. However, the modern sense of beauty is further detached from natural senses, even though they are inextricably linked in fundamental matters, as far as the deviates would allow.
“Now, to answer your question, point 1, beauty in terms of the beholder, which considers the knowledge of beauty in terms of the knower’s perspective. Point 1.A, the knower’s perspective in the theory of mind, considering the elements which make up the knower’s perspective as Point 1.A.i, knowledge in terms of the seven ways of knowing, Point 1.A.i.a, knowledge from a sensory perspective, which can be thought of as...”
And the man continued until the sky was dark, and the premises were vacated, except for the soft droning of his voice, and he continued
“Thus, where Point 2 being the difference of the theory of mind between individuals as considered from a societal perspective, the theory of beauty being linked with societal norms and-”
“Yes, but which one of us is the most beautiful?” interrupted Aprhodite, daughter of Zeus.
“Well I wouldn’t know,” said the man, “I’m blind.”
And thus, Athena, daughter of Zeus, thanked the man, and presented him with the gift of a silver tongue, which never tired, even when one wished it to, and they departed.
:D :D :D Awesome! I think they found a modern Socrates here. :D
When I saw the dawn of war video and I loved the story of the Trojan war and I don't know when you are going to make the second episode
its so funny.i know this story inside and out, and i was still pissed when this chapter ended!!! thanks buddy
" Your mother was raped by a swan" - Father of Helen.
Invicta: "The Trojan war starts with Zeus"
Me: "What does Zeus have to do with the Trojan war?"
Invicta:"We got there when we got there"
WHAAATS ZUUUES GOT TA DO…GOT TA DO WITH IT
…couldn’t help myself ☝️😔
Imagine being such a soy boy that you swear an oath to defend the husband of your crush. No wonder Chad Philip rolled over Greece.
I think it was to keep everyone from ganging up on whoever Helen chose, since it could have been any one of them. So a form of game theory.
Let me just say i'm really liking this new narrator(i know he's not exactly *new*, lol, but didn't think of commenting before). Gives a whole different vibe to the history videos.
Yea, he has a nice tone and a voice fit for the job.
Dude, your pumping out content at an insane rate! Keep it up dude.
It's kinda funny how we always think that the past was much more exciting than the mundane, boring present.
Yeah, or better in some way. It's because we don't hold onto the bad parts, which I think is a good thing.
I imagine it to be terrifying. I mean threats of war today is scary, but imagine in that time, you're just a bloke enjoying your life, then you get conscripted to the army willy nilly when your king said so
@@alfinandy1612 It'd be worse if you're alone at your farm and the invading army cane to raid it
Unless you're literally the top 0.1% of society your life would be just busting your ass growing crops for your betters, and also probably the first to get massacred/enslaved during raids and wartime...even the elite did not have the Internet, plumbing, advanced medicine, air conditioning, etc...
A suggestion for you could tell the stories of the Warhammer universe from its medievalism to 40,000 years later or the history of the factions.
Having to choose between three women was a no-win situation. Zeus was wise to pass on it. Poor Paris could not evade it. He was doomed from the start. But IMHO his best bet would have been Athena. She had more to offer than the others: wisdom and skill in arms. Besides, Aphrodite was not as dangerous as the other two. He would have only made an enemy of Hera. Bad enough; but the best he could have done. Athena would neutralize Hera. What do you think? Whom would you have chosen, and why?
*Part 2 better be good - it’s been a year* :)
Hi @invicta, I first discovered your channel when you used to play TW: Warhammer. Was wondering if you still play TW esp. the new TW: Troy? Great topic for this =)
Got to love Odysseus playing the madman
6:23 so you're telling me they had HUGE.... TRACTS OF LAND!
How'd I miss this one....
Okay where did you get the music for this?? It's awesome!
Someday we need a Game of Thrones style Tv series retelling the Illyad. I guess the guy playing Odysseus would win any Emmy imaginable if he does the character right.
Not even 10 movies could make this story justice
Oh no, not gonna pull this trigger - Zeus on judgement.
"D´oh!" - Homer -
Greek story: they left the baby in the wild to die,
Herdsmen: hippity, hoppity, that child is my property
Can't wait
Apparently, archeologists believe that Troy was a city of 5000 - 10000 (very small nowadays, but massive in the bronze age), with an active military of ~600 (at the start of the war at least). With their allies, the Trojan force was probably no more than ~1000 not accounting emergency conscription. I wish there will be movies or games that have a realistic view of the Trojan War with smaller squad type combat; unlike the Brad Pitt movie with thousands and thousands on screen or the latest TW: Troy...
I cant wait for Troy Cinematic Universe or the TCU!
no it would be the Cinematic Universe of Troy or shortened to C.U.T.
According the Greek mythology the founder of Troy was Dardanus the ARCADIAN from Pelloponese south Greece is obvious when you reading Homer that Greeks And Trojan speaking the same language they know each other very well who is who ,and they have the same God's ,also some God's like APOLLO and Hersasupported the Trojans,and in Greek Mythology reported one generation before The Trojan war Hercules with an expedition force from Greek mainland rooms Illion the Greek name for Troy after besiege ,after that APOLLO build New Walls that's why was so difficult for the Myceneans to Conqer the city .
awesome
I want to see more of this
I seriously doubt one could really chop off someone’s hands with a bronze sword. Homer was anachronistic here, describing the action of iron swords in his own time. :)
Damn I feel bad for the brothers at the start, imagine hearing how your sons met their ends after traveling so far to fight :(
Cant wait
I believe it wasn't Zeus that started it, but it was Eris who dropped the apple out of spite for not getting invited to the wedding of Achilles' parents and Zeus chose not to get involved out of fear of fury of the ones he didn't choose. And as for Troy Total War it is definitely worth the pick up and the Amazons pack comes out on the 24th for free to those who have a Total War account
I think I would have gone with Hera if only to avoid her wrath and renowned ability to hold a grudge.
I would rather have wisdom, but I think Athena would be more chill about the rejection.
There's several things
1. paris was a wicked man, he had to say: be ashamed of thyneselves for beauty is only in the eye of the beholder (thus none could win or lose)
2. I think the deer is a more creddible source, as killing a man would fill one up with impurity.
how awfull was greece, for what is the value of man?
man can only know after living.
killing man prematurely thus is the lowliest act.
good points.
@@shorewall thanks, what did you learn from this?
Hey, lately I have been watching alot of your total war gameplay and one thing i notice is that no matter who won it seems both side always suffer near 70% casaulty so i wonder how ancient battle usually end in a massive casaulty on one side and minimal loss on the winning side even though they were slogging it out for hours.
Most casualties were when one of the fighting armies routed. Then they were cut down. This change only after invention of modern tech and tactics.
@@krazownik3139 read my comment again
omfg they atacked THE WRONG CITY??!?!?!?!?
way to create more enemies that will unite together under one banner fucking hell
Can we have a part 2 plz
Is there more of this series?
I'm surprised you didn't explain the concept of Requisition, or tell people to build Plasma Generators.
Welcome to the Dawn Of War tutorial. By listening to me and reading the text that appears in this message box, you will learn how to play a skirmish game.
Who said ancient technics are outdated? Next time I have to work, I'm also gonna pretent to gone crasy
I wonder if Homer's readers called hacks on the idea that Priam and Hecuba had 50 sons. I mean seriously, they didn't even have a single daughter? And that many offspring from just one wife, not even a concubine, especially in an age when death by childbirth was as real as the possibility of dying in battle? If you lived in that time would you buy that without any divine intervention like we see in the Epic Cycle?
Will this series and battles be shown like in the series about Jewish revolt and siege of Jerusalem?
Also, by the way. Is Carthage series going to take a break or will we get Third Punic War and siege of Carthage some time soon?
You will do a part 2 right???
What I don't understand is why Zeus did not screw Helen. She is supposed to be the most beautiful woman in the world or something.
@Josho Brouwers ohhh. I've never knew that. I just finished the video. Appearantly it was when he became a swan
Can we just appreciate how cool Odysseus is…. Ok thank you
This was a surprise.
D-day of ancient world
Do you have an email address for inquiries on collaborations?
that ended suddenly