PC Engine - Part 2 - Some things are never easy!

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  • Опубліковано 4 жов 2024

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  • @Nukle0n
    @Nukle0n Рік тому +1

    The Mega Drive II video-out has become a fan standard for RGB video of sorts. The reason why it's that and not the MD1 is that the MD1 is a bigger full size DIN vs a mini-DIN, and the MD1-plug only has mono audio.

    • @CRG
      @CRG  Рік тому +1

      Forgot about the MD1 and it being mono on the AV port 👍

  • @DigitalConfusion
    @DigitalConfusion Місяць тому

    Guessing crack in the ribbon cable. Once in its original folded position it makes contact, but when stretched out it does not. You would have to test with another ribbon cable... and who wants that...

  • @SockyNoob
    @SockyNoob Рік тому +2

    Wow, this thing has had a massive transformation. Never would've thought that motherboard would survive. The case cleaned up nicely too.

    • @CRG
      @CRG  Рік тому +2

      Thanks, I'm really happy with how this one turned out.

  • @GadgetUK164
    @GadgetUK164 Рік тому +5

    Incredible work Glen! I just love the PC Engine! Just watching this - EDIT: You can tell I've not finished watching yet (if you saw my message before edit). Must be a bad connection somewhere - maybe inside the ribbon? I still think voltage drop, maybe on the 5v rail going to the cart slot.

    • @CRG
      @CRG  Рік тому +2

      Thanks Chris, I am really happy with this one. If the problem with the everdrive comes back I'll start by replacing the ribbon but best leaving well enough alone for now I think.

  • @JamesPotts
    @JamesPotts Рік тому +2

    My best guess is there's a loose connector in the hu socket, and the everdrive is slightly thinner. When in place, the cable pushes the loose connector down.

    • @CRG
      @CRG  Рік тому +2

      I thought that myself so wedged a bit of cardboard in with the everdrive but it didn't fix it. The consensus seems to be its the ribbon so if the problem ever comes back I'll start with a new one of those.

    • @JamesPotts
      @JamesPotts Рік тому +1

      @@CRG using a shim was my thought for a test, so I think that shoots down my idea.

  • @joysticksnjukeboxes
    @joysticksnjukeboxes Рік тому +1

    Great job! In my experience, when there's a problem with a multicart or flash drive, the power is to blame. Clones in particular don't handle things as well as the genuine article.

    • @CRG
      @CRG  Рік тому

      Possibly but I'm more or less convinced its a problem in the ribbon which only shows when its stretched out. If the issue return I'll start by replacing the ribbon.

  • @envoycdx
    @envoycdx Рік тому +2

    For the controller - you could get some similar plastics (abs, pla filament for 3d printers I am thinking) melt it into the holes, pack it down and then re-cut the threads?

  • @Breakfast_of_Champions
    @Breakfast_of_Champions Рік тому +3

    I'd suspect the flat ribbon cable, they are notoriously fickle and pick up a lot of static. Especially this stiff type which feels like it has steel conductors inside, the conductors themselves can crack and the stiffness can also tear up the solder joints. It is interesting though that the corruption is always about the gfx assets but code seems to come in fine. Probably being loaded first and then harmonics take over the dodgy cable.

    • @CRG
      @CRG  Рік тому +2

      Could be a dodgy cable, if the problem returns I'll revisit it and start with a new cable.

    • @NEOGEOJunkie
      @NEOGEOJunkie Рік тому +2

      Not saying it is, but I had exactly the same issue, I replaced the cable and it sorted it, there are repros available now that use proper flat ribbon cables and they work really well. 👍

    • @Breakfast_of_Champions
      @Breakfast_of_Champions Рік тому +1

      @@CRGIt probably all sums up with the iffy edge connector you filed down

  • @envoycdx
    @envoycdx Рік тому +5

    Great video, do love the search for why it happens rather than just settling on 'it works, it'll do' mentality. Just wondering, aren't those ribbon cables prone to breaking up?

    • @SockyNoob
      @SockyNoob 10 місяців тому

      The solder connections can come off, bit the actual cables themselves hold up well thanks to being made of plastic and not paper like early late 70s and early 80s machines.

  • @konradschaubert5520
    @konradschaubert5520 11 місяців тому

    nice vid thank you so much!! i felt aleep at the end soooo relaxing ;)

  • @2009numan
    @2009numan Рік тому

    maybe its the contacts not touching correctly with the cartridge not laying flat

  • @mart1nandersson
    @mart1nandersson 11 місяців тому

    For the screws: what about some kind of medium strength thread locker? Unsure if something like loctite 243 would work with plastics but it may be worth a try if you don't dare using slightly larger screws to "re tap" the threads.

    • @mart1nandersson
      @mart1nandersson 11 місяців тому

      Another creative idea: nail polish may actually do the trick. Coat the screws the nail polish and let it set when they're in position.

  • @RetroKrazy
    @RetroKrazy Рік тому +3

    Looks great not all done and back together! Absolutely love mine and seeing the fun you had, makes me wonder if I'd get the same issue with my AliExpress Everdrive clone...
    If you can get your hands on the PC Engine Interface Unit, it gives the video outputs while still allowing the connection of the CDRom , and all in a natty case type design :)

    • @CRG
      @CRG  Рік тому

      I'll have a look for one of those interfaces but probably leave it until wanting to get the cd drive.

  • @JVHShack
    @JVHShack Рік тому +1

    For the screws in the joypad, you could try using some that are one size larger. That's what I've done in the past.

    • @CRG
      @CRG  Рік тому +2

      That sounds like the simple option and I like that idea!

  • @SLRModShop
    @SLRModShop 3 місяці тому

    Couldn't help but read the comments before the end :) Based on what I understand, you still have some Everdrive issues.
    What I think is most likely: The HuCard connector needs more TLC. My theory is that the Everdrive is ever so slightly thicker than a HuCard and prying the connector by a tiny amount which is either creating an issue with the connectors themselves (the part that physically and directly interface with the pads on the Everdrive) or a cracked solder joint on one/some of the pins.
    You seem to have different results based on the positioning of the daughterboard, many people seem to think that you should blame the ribbon, I don't think so, else you'd have issues with the HuCard, too.
    Short of a faulty Everdrive, the only difference is the thickness. That or you're not giving enough power but I saw you use a MD1 PSU at some point, which should be enough.

  • @Stefan_Payne
    @Stefan_Payne Рік тому +3

    I really don't like that type of Ribbon Cable.
    They are on the fragile side. And the more you move them, the more likely is you break something...

    • @CRG
      @CRG  Рік тому

      Could be and perhaps the cable makes better connection when folded. I'm aware how fragile they are so I'm a little redundant to go poking about. I'll just leave it and if the issue returns start with a new cable.

    • @Stefan_Payne
      @Stefan_Payne Рік тому

      yeah, absolutely!
      You know what they say: never touch a running system :) @@CRG

  • @envoycdx
    @envoycdx Рік тому +1

    Video output - yeah, you could reverse engineer of that expansion board and move the connector internal, it would be rather neat, and keep everything self contained. That'll be a good video :)

    • @Scyllinice
      @Scyllinice 11 місяців тому

      Zaxour has an open source hardware project called the Turbonanza that does this if someone is looking for a readymade project. Reverse engineering from scratch would definitely be fun though!

  • @lepot23
    @lepot23 10 місяців тому

    It seems to me the points on the Everdrive aren't properly aligned, and when you insert it with the cover off, the corruption starts to happen. The cover seems to help align it, so it makes proper contact.

  • @jonathanwhiteside6092
    @jonathanwhiteside6092 Рік тому +1

    There is a switch IIRC on the Turbo Everdrive to switch between different models, that may fix your corruption.

    • @CRG
      @CRG  Рік тому +1

      Yep, I tried it in both positions but the problem persists. Granted the problem only shows when its apart so not really worth worrying about. If it some back though, the consensus seems to be its the ribbon so I'll start with a new one of those.

  • @Nukle0n
    @Nukle0n Рік тому

    Might be that the Everdrive draws a bit more current than the regular card, and flakey connection was causing corruption there.

    • @CRG
      @CRG  Рік тому

      Yeah it'll be something like that and a partly damaged ribbon. I've got a new ribbon coming so it will be changed, I'll put up a quick update.

  • @alasdairlumsden670
    @alasdairlumsden670 Рік тому +2

    Suspect it may be the ribbon cable with worn out and snapped interior traces - when stretched out it breaks contact and when folded it makes contact

    • @CRG
      @CRG  Рік тому +1

      Might be the case but should it not also fail with the original cart?

    • @alasdairlumsden670
      @alasdairlumsden670 Рік тому +2

      @@CRG Depends how marginal things are, perhaps there isn't enough voltage to run the more sophisticated modern cart and get a readable signal back. Just a guess.

    • @CRG
      @CRG  Рік тому +1

      @@alasdairlumsden670 suppose it could be one (or more) cores of the wire that are frayed 🤔

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L 8 місяців тому

      @@alasdairlumsden670 I almost wonder if it's just the extra chonk of the Everdrive putting more weight on it... enough integrity to resist the weight of a HuCard but it clearly sags a little more with the Everdrive connected.

  • @2009numan
    @2009numan Рік тому +1

    fins some slightly larger screws

    • @CRG
      @CRG  Рік тому

      yeah the simplest solution which is usually the best plus I need to find some more anyway!

  • @MrSeanyb99
    @MrSeanyb99 Рік тому +1

    Are you possibly assuming that both cards use the same signal lines in that ribbon cable? Perhaps check the continuity on that ribbon? or Using an oscilloscope, check if both cards are using the same lines on the ribbon?

    • @CRG
      @CRG  Рік тому +2

      Possibly although surely it must be using the same cores on the cable, the everdrive just presents itself as the game to the pc engine.
      Not withstanding the possibility there may be a damage core in a cable. If the problem returns I'll start with a replacement cable.

  • @user-te1le7ck6b
    @user-te1le7ck6b Рік тому +1

    To reform posts epoxy and white colouring powder

    • @CRG
      @CRG  Рік тому +1

      Thanks for the tip but as suggested by a few others the easiest thing might be slightly larger screws. I'm missing a few anyway so need to get more.

  • @JoCrt
    @JoCrt Рік тому +2

    Maybe the everdrive pcb is thinner than the original card or needs to be level to make good contact. It's heavier than a card and might not connect as well hanging off loosely. Could the contacts be tinned to make them thicker?🤔

    • @CRG
      @CRG  Рік тому

      I tried wedging a bit of cardboard in with it but the problem persists. The consensus seems to be its the ribbon so if the issue returns I'll start with a new one of those.

  • @tenminutetokyo2643
    @tenminutetokyo2643 Рік тому +1

    PC Engine Pidgeon Poop Special Edition.

    • @CRG
      @CRG  Рік тому

      Very much so, it was horrible.

  • @Gunstarrhero1
    @Gunstarrhero1 Рік тому +1

    replace the ribbon cable with an old ide cable

    • @CRG
      @CRG  Рік тому +1

      Its working fine when assembled so I'll just leave well enough alone but if it starts to show sign of problems I'll replace the ribbon.

  • @fu1r4
    @fu1r4 Рік тому

    30:30 Acetone will melt plastic. You could try that ...

    • @CRG
      @CRG  Рік тому

      Thanks for the tip, I'll maybe try that.

  • @jacktheripper6716
    @jacktheripper6716 Рік тому +1

    have you tested brass threaded inserts which you can use a soldering iron to push into the posts

    • @CRG
      @CRG  Рік тому

      Might be an option but the existing posts in the joypad are very thin, I'm not sure I'd get inserts small enough.

  • @MrBaconinabun
    @MrBaconinabun Рік тому +1

    Bigger screws lol

    • @CRG
      @CRG  Рік тому +1

      Yeah thats the simple solution and so the best one. I need to get more for it anyway.

  • @noggin73
    @noggin73 Рік тому

    Very nice! What power supply are you using? Is it linear or switching? It looks pretty hefty for a switching supply.

  • @bweebar
    @bweebar Рік тому

    The HuCard has rounded corners, the Everdrive's are square, could they be preventing full insertion?

    • @CRG
      @CRG  Рік тому

      I don't think so, it does click onto place.

  • @MrFixiit
    @MrFixiit Рік тому

    could it be down to the thickness of the cards ?

    • @CRG
      @CRG  Рік тому

      I thought that myself and put a bit of cardboard under the card, didn't make any difference.

    • @MrFixiit
      @MrFixiit Рік тому

      the only other thing i recon t could be is a corroded cable connection need to replace that cable@@CRG