I think the lag bolt threads were still in tact, but he stripped the wood or drywall out because he missed the stud. Not sure why you would have used a bolt that large and a torque gun anyway. That's asking for trouble.
I've installed and serviced Radiant and unit heaters, as a commercial HVAC technician. On Radiant heaters, though more efficient on the gas use. I prefer a Hanging unit heater. The fan/ Heat exchanger will not get clogged as mentioned, not going to happen, ever. Dust will accumulate on the heat exchanger surface that's about it. blow it off in the fall and turn that sucker on and enjoy. Working under and around radiant heaters in a garage setting with high ceilings.. those guys suffer with the bays even slightly open.
We installed a Mitsubishi Mini-split in our garage several years ago, air conditioned and dehumidifier and , wow, a heater. Low humidity in the heat of summer in Florida. Operating costs at a minimum. Be sure to insulate the door and ceiling. I give it a three thumbs up. 👍👍👍. 12-19-21
Heated floors, wow. I have not heard this since I was about 10 years old living at home with my parents and my dad installed water heated pipes in the basement in Illinois, Chicago area. That was 68 years ago. The absolute best heat and it never caught on, never. As I said, wow.
I ran a gas line, 2 electrical circuits and installed a gas furnace and central air conditioner in my garage 15 years ago. a little pricey but never regretted it. makes working out there enjoyable.
Woodstove for me. Have place to heat a pot of coffee. A lot less expense than gas, propane, or electric. Also gives a place to burn up unwanted scrap. But then again I have a lot of scrap from remodeling and framing jobs. I don't know, just a better heat in my opinion.
In the midwest (missouri) natural gas is supplied to residential properties at high pressure. The gas goes through the meter and then is regulated down to just 3-4#'s of pressure. If there is any distance between the separate garage and home, there will not be enough pressure to fire that heater or a furnace. Check your local gas supplier.
I live in the winters where it gets 25 to 28ﾟ I use a oil heater from home depot is home depot it cost a $120 I plug it into the wall bam bam job done my garage never gets below 65 degrees
Atta boy Richard. Infrared Heat is the bomb. Once the shop warms up it will last for hours as all the heat radiates back into the space from all objects that picked up the heat. Unlike forced air which just drifts away. HVAC contractor here.
I have a MR Heater gas forced air unit that hangs from the ceiling with vent out the roof. You get very dry heat with no gas fumes, and heats much faster, and equally throughout the garage. Even on a 20 degree day, my garage is warmed up to 65 in 15 minutes. I also lack insulation on my garage door and roof. The heater installed here is more of a spot heater, good for warehouse doors.
2 degrees Celsius in the winter for where I live is a nice warm spring day! Winters in Cobden, Ontario, Canada get down to -40 C easily, that heater is not nearly enough!
yeah he makes it look easy... 5 minute install too...i don;t know how he got all those fancy corner woodwork and brackets done. Thermostat was two screws seamless...must have be RF with batteries...lol
I use a blue flame heater in my garage. Wall hung, self contained unit. No power needed, and have used it in the winter during a power outage. Natural gas appliances will process the air, so if you stain/paint anything, the smell does get amplified. I don't work with gasoline in the garage, so I'm fine with an open flame.
It is critical that the flame source be at least 18 inches off the floor to prevent FIRES, according to our Fire Dept! That's why Insurance Companies don't like them! We have all seen floor heaters (kerosene/Diesel/Propane/Potbelly Stove etc) used to heat garages. Once I learned this I threw our Kerosene Heater in the Garbage that night and replaced it with a Wall Mounted Infrared Natural Gas Heater, the best move I ever made. That Heater has been in four different houses and was converted to propane because our current house doesn't have NG in the garage. Now after 15 years I replace it with a new Infrared Propane Heater. I highly recommend them.
My HVAC sub made same recommendation for my professional woodworking shop. Be careful of proximity and directional orientation of radiant source to wooden workpieces. Intense heat can quickly warp wood when one surface absorbs the radiant heat directly. I ended up switching to unit heater. Expensive mistake.
Agreed. I was a commercial HVAC technician for over 15 years, and serviced many different kinds of radiant and hanging heaters. Unit heater is the way to go. Especially in a shop that big . I have a small garage/Workshop and would never hang a radiant heater, ever. Got a small Modine i pulled from a small job and my garage = awesome.
@@michael.schuler Most definitely. Super efficient. Prices for ductless mini-splits in north america leave a little bit to be desired. but hands down cost per BTU is phenomenal.
One or two electric floor plug in convection heaters would, to me, be the better option. Eliminates need for pipe work and vent work. Insulating above attic is key of course.
If you have the circuits for it. One convection heater will usually fully load a 15A circuit (with some safety margin of course), so you basically need 2 dedicated circuits.
My neighbor made a wood heater out of an old oil drum...thing gets mega hot! Glowing red! ...Outside its 4 degrees. Inside its 75 degrees!!! NO insulation.
I love that your protection while using a cordless drill OSHA would be so proud. Also this guy needs to upgrade torque screws then he doesn’t need to double tap this work
Your talking about a heater that only heats objects. I bought a radiant heater and mounted it above my workbench where I sit most of the time to tinker. They are hard to regulate and they only heated whatever was in front of it. As soon as I walked away from the bench I was cold again. Mine is electric and not gas as is in this video. I got rid of that heart when I built a free standing shop behind my garage and installed a ''ggarage, /workshop heater. It is electric and I pan to only use it until the wood stove gets up to the right temperature.
As do I. I placed a fan to blow across the exhaust pipe below the choke plate. Barely any coals, 18℉ outside, too warm inside. I also have a small AC unit close to where I do most of my work to keep me comfortable during the summers. Correct, I am a wimpy old man.
That's not the point of the video but if left on continuously with the thermostat it probably can take the chill off enough to work in there especially if the walls and ceiling are insulated and the sale on the garage door are working well
I wonder how this worked out. Is the entire shop heated evenly? For some reason I'm thinking NO. When you see these there are generally at least a couple of them, not just one for a space that large. I'm skeptical.
In my 1,000 sqft detached shop, 30,000 btu is not enough. I have a convection type Mr. Heater propane wall mount unit and it runs all day long. The shop is not insulated so that would help.
These types of Heaters are Space Heaters like in Home Depots over the Registers.. This Will Not Heat That Garage.. he should of installed a Low BTU Boiler and ran Flex to Duct Work and ran a Couple Runs of Flex and Registers. but what do i know i only did HVAC For 10 years. this is a waste of time and money.
@@Dominick_Calvitto. that's incorrect and i say this from first hand experience. I had an HVAC guy install the same exact unit installed in my attached, finished and oversize garage that was 31x28 with 11' ceilings in Kansas. Kept my garage at 68-70 all winter long with zero issues and was a nice even heat across the whole garage. And no, it didn't run all day long to maintain that temperature either. Zero condensation anywhere and no fumes. Worked amazing.
Split system heat pump with 96% gas furnace. Heat pump at temps above 30+- degrees. Gas furnace below 30. A/C In summer! Initial cost is a little higher, but worth it. 96% furnace has sealed combustion.
So many people asking what size heater they need or how much does it cost to operate. The size depends on how big the garage is and the type of construction and your local weather. That's the stuff you can figure out with the aid of Google. After that the cost to operate will be based on how long it runs. BTUs can be converted directly to fuel consumption, then calculated to $$ based on your local fuel costs.... on a per hour basis. Hint: BTU rating is based on BTUs per hour. Pretty simple, eh?
Not sure why you would put the thermostat that close to the unit heater - going to be cold on the other side of the garage all the time, since it 's registering the heat from just a few feet away.
Robert Amos IV Not quite. The temperature gradient in the room will be more uniform with the heat radiated from the floor rather than to the floor. as any objects between the radiant heater and the floor will absorb the heat making the floor temp nonuniform. For new construction, I would definitely go with pex in the slab. However, that is not an easy retrofit.
I said same goal. Heating objects also radiates heat. If you want to get fully technical, heating the top of woodworking equipment might actually do better if you use the shop for limited hours because heating the floor would take a long time to get the equipment heated up so the occupants actually felt that heat. If it was running 24/7 sure, but I would assume this is a part time operation.
I see a fire hazard with sawdust in the air. A boiler outside the room and either baseboard hot water heat or forced air over the hot water heat exchanger.
Too close and the thing will never run, too far and it will always run. Best to have it somewhere midway in similar proximity to the main workspace distance. Also, that heater looked rather small for that two car garage considering that it is coming from above where the majority of heat will stay.
Since it’s a radiant heater, heat should not come directly to the t stat right away. It will warm the objects first, then it will heat the air from those objects until the room is totally warmed. Actually smart of him to place it there.
Average winter temp. in Akron is a few degrees above and below freezing. So not really all that cold so this might do the job. Where I live you this would probably heat a tiny shack. Strangely most of all the commercial warehouse garages etc here have large natural gas fan-driven heaters that are noticeably noisy when the unit starts a heating cycle. They are slightly larger than a small fridge but if it ever fell on someone it would kill them. The upside of these Infrared units is that they heat the floor or whatever they are pointed at which then heats the air above it. Plus apparently, they are dramatically more efficient up to 75% more.
I've owned a Enerco garage heater I purchased in 1993. Very easy to install and operate. Been a wonderful and reliable heater. After all these years of use it's is in need is a new control module. Any one knowing where to get one please reply. Thanks
I was told that gas fumes from mowers & gas cans are low to the ground. Heaters up high eliminates the chance of flame from heater being ignited by gas fumes.
Even if short scrapwood, at least center it over your two outer wall 'studs.' Guys obviously into projects, could have put horizontal studs over drywall and screws into those. Entire support system would be hidden behind scrap piece.
I'm not sure why heaters are suddenly being installed up on ceilings. My preference is for oil filled electric heaters, not very efficient but in a workshop the safest.
My question is. Looked like he used homeflex gas pipe that Home Depot sells. It is also called CSST (corrugated stainless steel tubing) pipe. Did he bond it or ground it to the electrical panel. That is now code across the country. Thats to avoid pin holes in case of lightening strike in the area. Lightening strikes could cause small pin holes and cause leaks which lead to 💥💥. And I'm assuming Richard realizes how bad that is seeing as how an entire neighborhood blew up in Massachusetts due to faulty gas equipment and pressure increases.
That's great they dont show the installing pipes I think it's more important to show where and how to secure and that thermostat is perfect where it is under the heat
@@SkremoMcThrftsto I have been a HVAC/R contractor for 35 years. For four of those years I taught a heat pump class at a local tech school. The balance point is 35. Below that you will need supplemental heat. The heat of compression doesn't change with variable speed. There just isn't enough heat in the air below that temp to make it efficient to run. So explain to me exactly what you are talking about.
Natural gas and propane emit water as one of their by-products of burning. You need to vent that moist air out if possible and you also need to admit a little combustion air so you don't deplete all the oxygen in the room.
Very disappointed with TOH on this one. I live between Akron and Cleveland, and several years ago I made the mistake of installing one of these unvented gas heaters in my garage workshop. The moisture it created was devastating to my tools. That small vent installed in the workshop will not solve the moisture problem. A vented radiant tube heater would have been a much better option.
That little heater will be slow to heat the shop. I live in the same climate zone and use a 110KBTU kerosene jet heater in a 2.5 car uninsulated shop. Even in subzero temps in half an hour everything is toasty. I wired in a thermostat and it only runs 5 mins every half hour after that initial warming period.
@@AngelousSpike As far as I know there is an open flame covering the perforated surface of the ceramic element. I highly doubt the gas heating of that element (by open flame) can convert 100% to infrared. Much of the gas exhaust is hot carbon dioxide air and water vapor, mixing and heating the surrounding air. Radiant tube heaters efficiency is only 60%, I could not find the numbers for ceramic heaters.
@@marijak3267 Doubt no more, my friend! Infrared heat is also known as 'Radiant heat'. The flame you mention heats the ceramic upp and since the ceramic isn't combustable - the only way for it to lose all the heat it's receiving is to radiate it outward in all directions. The energy frequensies emitted by the photons leaving the ceramic surface is basically "only" within the infrared spectrum. Pardon my bordom inducing rant, hehe. That being said - I still don't think that this type of heater is a good longterm solution do to the ease of condensation along the border of the rays, where hot meets cold. The installation was also sloppy. I mean - why didn't they just extend the plywood another 8 inches or so, still leaving a big air gap, and try to hide those hideous thing-a-majiggs behind that? I know that this is "just" a 'shop, and they probably just wanted to knock this out fast. But when you're making instructional videos that gets hundreds of thousands of views - shouldn't you strive to go that extra... Inch?
@@gustavlarsson7494 Off course this is what I meant; radiant heat. But the element won't 100% convert the convective heat (from burning gas) to radiant heat. I was trying to explain that towards the previous comment, this heater does warm the air, not just surfaces through radiant heat.
Great if you run this 24x7, but if like other folks who are only going to run it once a while,. this thing will never heat up the garage to the point of being usable on a typical cold winter day. Far better off just running a propane blast heater by cracking the door open a bit to get the ambient temps to where they need to be , then using one or two regular electric portable heaters to maintain.
My grandfather and his neighbors had a heated garage. Basically they just had like a basically heat like they do in their house but for their garage so the vents in that they had vents in the garage and the vents would get heat from the from the furnace and that's how it would heat it so in the winter he could put both his cars in there and never have to worry about scraping them or anything in the ice and it was great
@@killingoldgrowthsince I doubt it, lots of pukes out there with similar aspirations. Mostly lowlifes with beer guts who could not get out of there own way if it was life or death. Mid fifties, wanna be woodworkers. Pukes! Know what I mean.
Had a pellet stove in my garage for 10 years. It worked really good, but it had a large footprint, and stole too much needed space. Removed and sold, installed a self contained gas fired wall mounted unit. Now the gas fumes are smelly after 30 minutes, although the unit heats the insulated garage nicely. It's tough to heat a garage that satifies all your needs.
Yes it is good piping, however it must be bonded to be legal if your house were to be struck by lightning this gas pipe is known to split and catch fire and if it’s not bonded than insurance will deny any claim
Oil-filled stand alone radiators ( electric ) never get hot enough to combust anything, and provide both convection and radiation heat. Quiet. And they are cheap, like $30 or so from your typical big box store.
My house all electric. I wonder if this will work on barbecue grill gas or the company makes one that does. Electric heaters too costly to run. Electric heaters in basement cost more to run in winter than two heat pumps that heats and cools the whole rest of the house all year. Cost prohibitive for instal!ing another heat pump just for the garage. I really need to invest in converting the basement to heat pump to use the area in winter first. 1-1/2 to 2 ton unit should do the trick
Great idea for heating a garage I didn't even think about that for a residential application. They use of big tube style radiant heaters for commercial workshops and they work really well.
I always worked in shops with commercial tube radiant heaters. I put a residential radiant in my large home garage and was a piece of crap! Removed it and used a unit heater. Perfect!
The only difference is the radiant tube heater is vented where as this little sucker is letting those toxic fumes into the space. This is a horrible idea
@2:40 - the official motion of "that baby isn't going anywhere."
He stripped the bolt...
I think the lag bolt threads were still in tact, but he stripped the wood or drywall out because he missed the stud. Not sure why you would have used a bolt that large and a torque gun anyway. That's asking for trouble.
I've installed and serviced Radiant and unit heaters, as a commercial HVAC technician. On Radiant heaters, though more efficient on the gas use. I prefer a Hanging unit heater. The fan/ Heat exchanger will not get clogged as mentioned, not going to happen, ever. Dust will accumulate on the heat exchanger surface that's about it. blow it off in the fall and turn that sucker on and enjoy. Working under and around radiant heaters in a garage setting with high ceilings.. those guys suffer with the bays even slightly open.
We installed a Mitsubishi Mini-split in our garage several years ago, air conditioned and dehumidifier and , wow, a heater. Low humidity in the heat of summer in Florida. Operating costs at a minimum. Be sure to insulate the door and ceiling. I give it a three thumbs up. 👍👍👍. 12-19-21
I was in a mechanic’s 4 car shop today. It had heated floors. It is the best heat ever. Even and nice heat.
Heated floors, wow. I have not heard this since I was about 10 years old living at home with my parents and my dad installed water heated pipes in the basement in Illinois, Chicago area. That was 68 years ago. The absolute best heat and it never caught on, never. As I said, wow.
I ran a gas line, 2 electrical circuits and installed a gas furnace and central air conditioner in my garage 15 years ago. a little pricey but never regretted it. makes working out there enjoyable.
Woodstove for me. Have place to heat a pot of coffee. A lot less expense than gas, propane, or electric. Also gives a place to burn up unwanted scrap. But then again I have a lot of scrap from remodeling and framing jobs. I don't know, just a better heat in my opinion.
Hopefully you live in the middle of the woods otherwise your neighbors are breathing smoke
When you own a forest, wood is free!
In the midwest (missouri) natural gas is supplied to residential properties at high pressure. The gas goes through the meter and then is regulated down to just 3-4#'s of pressure. If there is any distance between the separate garage and home, there will not be enough pressure to fire that heater or a furnace. Check your local gas supplier.
Double tap everything to make sure it’s all solid
Issac Charlton hehehe
I call that the 5lb Knock Knock Test!
"That's not going anywhere!"
I live in the winters where it gets 25 to 28ﾟ I use a oil heater from home depot is home depot it cost a $120 I plug it into the wall bam bam job done my garage never gets below 65 degrees
Atta boy Richard. Infrared Heat is the bomb. Once the shop warms up it will last for hours as all the heat radiates back into the space from all objects that picked up the heat. Unlike forced air which just drifts away. HVAC contractor here.
you can also do a heat pump for the garage and just tape a pre-filter with filter material roll on the exterior of the intake vent
I have a MR Heater gas forced air unit that hangs from the ceiling with vent out the roof. You get very dry heat with no gas fumes, and heats much faster, and equally throughout the garage. Even on a 20 degree day, my garage is warmed up to 65 in 15 minutes. I also lack insulation on my garage door and roof. The heater installed here is more of a spot heater, good for warehouse doors.
best part was when he felt that sharp screw sticking out the back and after putting the bracket on and didn't think twice about it 3:14
Chris He gave it the double tap of approval
I want one! A garage that is, so I can heat it.
2 degrees Celsius in the winter for where I live is a nice warm spring day! Winters in Cobden, Ontario, Canada get down to -40 C easily, that heater is not nearly enough!
Homemade outdoor wood fired furnace is the way to go
I use the same heaters and have for years up hear around Cleveland. They're definitely the most efficient and convenient for ohio winters.
What's the cost for this? This is more for attached garages, right?
I have a wood pellet stove and two 5KW heaters in my 1500 sq ft shop. Live at 6500 ft elevation in the mountains. Works pretty well
no one cares
@@Fattony6666 apparently you do. Took the time to read the comment and respond
You need a better pellet stove if you need more heaters to heat 1,500 sqft even in the mountains.
Love Richard, never seen an episode where he didn't sweat during an install!
yeah he makes it look easy... 5 minute install too...i don;t know how he got all those fancy corner woodwork and brackets done. Thermostat was two screws seamless...must have be RF with batteries...lol
Well- I have to assume, you are unaware of the miracle , of video editing. ;)
Very nice it's great to see you guys are in Ohio because we are in Cleveland Ohio. Thanks for making another great video
I use a blue flame heater in my garage. Wall hung, self contained unit. No power needed, and have used it in the winter during a power outage. Natural gas appliances will process the air, so if you stain/paint anything, the smell does get amplified. I don't work with gasoline in the garage, so I'm fine with an open flame.
It is critical that the flame source be at least 18 inches off the floor to prevent FIRES, according to our Fire Dept! That's why Insurance Companies don't like them! We have all seen floor heaters (kerosene/Diesel/Propane/Potbelly Stove etc) used to heat garages. Once I learned this I threw our Kerosene Heater in the Garbage that night and replaced it with a Wall Mounted Infrared Natural Gas Heater, the best move I ever made. That Heater has been in four different houses and was converted to propane because our current house doesn't have NG in the garage. Now after 15 years I replace it with a new Infrared Propane Heater. I highly recommend them.
we use an industrial size propane burner for our garage workshop and a small woodstove.
I have this heater. And let me tell you it is amazing in the winter.
Any issues with combustion moisture?
May I ask what brand it is?
Edenpure infrared heater with extra electrostatic filter velcroed on back. All i use.
My HVAC sub made same recommendation for my professional woodworking shop. Be careful of proximity and directional orientation of radiant source to wooden workpieces. Intense heat can quickly warp wood when one surface absorbs the radiant heat directly. I ended up switching to unit heater. Expensive mistake.
Agreed. I was a commercial HVAC technician for over 15 years, and serviced many different kinds of radiant and hanging heaters. Unit heater is the way to go. Especially in a shop that big . I have a small garage/Workshop and would never hang a radiant heater, ever. Got a small Modine i pulled from a small job and my garage = awesome.
@@MrEarbuckets If you were asked about year round climate control for a well insulated 1000 sf garage shop today, would you recommend mini-split?
@@michael.schuler Most definitely. Super efficient. Prices for ductless mini-splits in north america leave a little bit to be desired. but hands down cost per BTU is phenomenal.
One or two electric floor plug in convection heaters would, to me, be the better option. Eliminates need for pipe work and vent work. Insulating above attic is key of course.
If you have the circuits for it. One convection heater will usually fully load a 15A circuit (with some safety margin of course), so you basically need 2 dedicated circuits.
@William Murray Top 10 on the list of things I will never care about: Having heat in a garage workshop with no electricity to run tools or lights.
@William Murray who gives a crap about losing heat in a garage if you have no power???
My neighbor made a wood heater out of an old oil drum...thing gets mega hot! Glowing red! ...Outside its 4 degrees. Inside its 75 degrees!!! NO insulation.
I don’t think Richard knows how to use a drill. Every time he uses one he strips the hell out of the screws lol.
I guess that's why he only used 4.
He's a plumber
That is just how an “Impact Driver” sounds.
@@ileanamorales1384 No that’s a regular drill he’s using
That wasn’t Richard using the drill though
Ayyyy akronite here-this is awesome!
I love that your protection while using a cordless drill OSHA would be so proud. Also this guy needs to upgrade torque screws then he doesn’t need to double tap this work
Your talking about a heater that only heats objects. I bought a radiant heater and mounted it above my workbench where I sit most of the time to tinker. They are hard to regulate and they only heated whatever was in front of it. As soon as I walked away from the bench I was cold again. Mine is electric and not gas as is in this video. I got rid of that heart when I built a free standing shop behind my garage and installed a ''ggarage, /workshop heater. It is electric and I pan to only use it until the wood stove gets up to the right temperature.
We use a potbelly stove feed with scrap wood
As do I. I placed a fan to blow across the exhaust pipe below the choke plate. Barely any coals, 18℉ outside, too warm inside. I also have a small AC unit close to where I do most of my work to keep me comfortable during the summers.
Correct, I am a wimpy old man.
So do I!
That small unit won't heat that space.
And when you run low on scrap wood you have to work faster on projects...just to survive.
I eat a potbelly pig and feed the cats the scraps
That's not the point of the video but if left on continuously with the thermostat it probably can take the chill off enough to work in there especially if the walls and ceiling are insulated and the sale on the garage door are working well
proper pipe dope for gas piping is colored yellow.
I wonder how this worked out. Is the entire shop heated evenly? For some reason I'm thinking NO. When you see these there are generally at least a couple of them, not just one for a space that large. I'm skeptical.
In my 1,000 sqft detached shop, 30,000 btu is not enough. I have a convection type Mr. Heater propane wall mount unit and it runs all day long. The shop is not insulated so that would help.
These types of Heaters are Space Heaters like in Home Depots over the Registers.. This Will Not Heat That Garage.. he should of installed a Low BTU Boiler and ran Flex to Duct Work and ran a Couple Runs of Flex and Registers. but what do i know i only did HVAC For 10 years. this is a waste of time and money.
@@Dominick_Calvitto. That is my thought too. They use this style for the outdoor drive through at Chik Filet as well.
@@Dominick_Calvitto. that's incorrect and i say this from first hand experience. I had an HVAC guy install the same exact unit installed in my attached, finished and oversize garage that was 31x28 with 11' ceilings in Kansas. Kept my garage at 68-70 all winter long with zero issues and was a nice even heat across the whole garage. And no, it didn't run all day long to maintain that temperature either. Zero condensation anywhere and no fumes. Worked amazing.
Split system heat pump with 96% gas furnace. Heat pump at temps above 30+- degrees. Gas furnace below 30. A/C In summer! Initial cost is a little higher, but worth it. 96% furnace has sealed combustion.
I wonder if I can find this man to learn from. I’m also in Akron Ohio.
Screw it in then * bang bang * expected him to bang his hand after the hand shake.
Open flame + sawdust = BOOM !
Nope
What I dislike about all these videos is that they never show the finished product. At best, doing a freeze frame might give me a glance.
So many people asking what size heater they need or how much does it cost to operate. The size depends on how big the garage is and the type of construction and your local weather. That's the stuff you can figure out with the aid of Google. After that the cost to operate will be based on how long it runs. BTUs can be converted directly to fuel consumption, then calculated to $$ based on your local fuel costs.... on a per hour basis. Hint: BTU rating is based on BTUs per hour. Pretty simple, eh?
Northeast Ohio represent
I think I might have considered a mini split instead..
O-H !! Lol putting an old furnace in my garage shop. Running the gas line and exhausting through an un-used man door.
I love when people say ohh where I live it gets extra cold!
It gets cold everywhere dammit!
Surprised they didn’t shove festool drills into his hards for the episode. I also wonder if they bothered to properly bond the CSST gas piping
You really wondered all that?
You showed stuff most folks already know. I want to know how I run gas lines into my neighborhood?
I have a woodworking shop and i installed a ductless heat pump. Works great and hasent changed my electric bill.
has the dust loading up the filter been an issue for you?
Not sure why you would put the thermostat that close to the unit heater - going to be cold on the other side of the garage all the time, since it 's registering the heat from just a few feet away.
Radiant heaters are only good if your infront of them. It gets to -40 here get a woodstove
In South Carolina you can't do anything in the garage from May to November unless you want to broil.
I have a few of these in my garage/workshop. It’s don’t seem to be as dry as kerosene heat.
my only criticism is the downward angle, imo looks steep
You don't want any portion of a radiant heater to be directed at the ceiling. If it is aimed at a ceiling then it's kind of a waste.
And the fact that the thermostat is right next to the heater
@@garrettducat5769 i get that, but it looks like only the area next to the cupboard will get heat
Home owner preference but its adjustable if needed.
@@kalijasin how is it adjustable? look at the mount at 3:28
My hot dog heater works fantastic!
If done properly you heat the floor with the Infrared heater. Make working on cars great.
Cool video, you guys have inspired so many of my videos on my channel. Thank you
This is a good retrofit solution. The smart solution is to place pex tubing in your slab when it is poured. That is far and away the best shop heat.
It achieves the same goal, heating the concrete without wasting energy heating the air.
Robert Amos IV Not quite. The temperature gradient in the room will be more uniform with the heat radiated from the floor rather than to the floor. as any objects between the radiant heater and the floor will absorb the heat making the floor temp nonuniform. For new construction, I would definitely go with pex in the slab. However, that is not an easy retrofit.
I said same goal. Heating objects also radiates heat. If you want to get fully technical, heating the top of woodworking equipment might actually do better if you use the shop for limited hours because heating the floor would take a long time to get the equipment heated up so the occupants actually felt that heat. If it was running 24/7 sure, but I would assume this is a part time operation.
Robert Amos IV You can’t beat warm feet! 😁
@@LTVoyager you can if you cant get them to the heat under a table saw!
I see a fire hazard with sawdust in the air. A boiler outside the room and either baseboard hot water heat or forced air over the hot water heat exchanger.
Who installs a thermostat right by the heater. Move that thing away.
Too close and the thing will never run, too far and it will always run. Best to have it somewhere midway in similar proximity to the main workspace distance. Also, that heater looked rather small for that two car garage considering that it is coming from above where the majority of heat will stay.
Richard who doesn’t have a clue what he is doing
"This is my impressive workshop i staged to impress this old house. Cars don't come in here for sure." Car oil stains on the floor 😂
@@johnnylawrence "Cars don't come in here for sure." He only said that because the wife wasn't there. ;)
Since it’s a radiant heater, heat should not come directly to the t stat right away. It will warm the objects first, then it will heat the air from those objects until the room is totally warmed. Actually smart of him to place it there.
Average winter temp. in Akron is a few degrees above and below freezing. So not really all that cold so this might do the job. Where I live you this would probably heat a tiny shack. Strangely most of all the commercial warehouse garages etc here have large natural gas fan-driven heaters that are noticeably noisy when the unit starts a heating cycle. They are slightly larger than a small fridge but if it ever fell on someone it would kill them. The upside of these Infrared units is that they heat the floor or whatever they are pointed at which then heats the air above it. Plus apparently, they are dramatically more efficient up to 75% more.
I've owned a Enerco garage heater I purchased in 1993. Very easy to install and operate. Been a wonderful and reliable heater. After all these years of use it's is in need is a new control module. Any one knowing where to get one please reply. Thanks
Have you tried Enerco's website? If they don't sell parts there, call them and ask them where they would buy parts when they need them.
Oil stains on the floor used to be keeping cars in there
I see a lot of people putting heaters up high up on the ceiling......if hot air rises, why not the floor?
I was told that gas fumes from mowers & gas cans are low to the ground.
Heaters up high eliminates the chance of flame from heater being ignited by gas fumes.
i like those heat lamps attached to a propane tank. Those work great.
Propane and propane Accessories
Need a well ventilated area but they work great
That's right. Hank Hill
Cut that plywood a little short? Lol
pdxthriftking 503, it was probably a scrap that was lying around.
Terrible
Even if short scrapwood, at least center it over your two outer wall 'studs.' Guys obviously into projects, could have put horizontal studs over drywall and screws into those. Entire support system would be hidden behind scrap piece.
I'm not sure why heaters are suddenly being installed up on ceilings. My preference is for oil filled electric heaters, not very efficient but in a workshop the safest.
Did I miss something? Why was the thermostat positioned close to the heater.?
My question is. Looked like he used homeflex gas pipe that Home Depot sells. It is also called CSST (corrugated stainless steel tubing) pipe. Did he bond it or ground it to the electrical panel. That is now code across the country. Thats to avoid pin holes in case of lightening strike in the area. Lightening strikes could cause small pin holes and cause leaks which lead to 💥💥. And I'm assuming Richard realizes how bad that is seeing as how an entire neighborhood blew up in Massachusetts due to faulty gas equipment and pressure increases.
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That's great they dont show the installing pipes I think it's more important to show where and how to secure and that thermostat is perfect where it is under the heat
Good morning, thank you for the video, it is great. Would you please include links to the materials needed or at least the names? Thanks!
Ok that's badass I'm in akron too so this video is perfect! 😂
Heat pump. More efficient than other options and more green.
Not effective below 35 degrees.
@@MrDJSkeptik Newer heat pumps with variable speed motors are still effective.
@@SkremoMcThrftsto I have been a HVAC/R contractor for 35 years. For four of those years I taught a heat pump class at a local tech school. The balance point is 35. Below that you will need supplemental heat. The heat of compression doesn't change with variable speed. There just isn't enough heat in the air below that temp to make it efficient to run. So explain to me exactly what you are talking about.
Can you explain more about the vent that was installed to the outside?
Natural gas and propane emit water as one of their by-products of burning. You need to vent that moist air out if possible and you also need to admit a little combustion air so you don't deplete all the oxygen in the room.
FYI all most your insurance carriers won’t approve a wood stove or open flame heating appliance.
Very disappointed with TOH on this one. I live between Akron and Cleveland, and several years ago I made the mistake of installing one of these unvented gas heaters in my garage workshop. The moisture it created was devastating to my tools. That small vent installed in the workshop will not solve the moisture problem. A vented radiant tube heater would have been a much better option.
That little heater will be slow to heat the shop. I live in the same climate zone and use a 110KBTU kerosene jet heater in a 2.5 car uninsulated shop. Even in subzero temps in half an hour everything is toasty. I wired in a thermostat and it only runs 5 mins every half hour after that initial warming period.
@@johnpossum556 it doesn't heat the shop air, it heats the tools and objects in the shop and those heat the air.
@@AngelousSpike As far as I know there is an open flame covering the perforated surface of the ceramic element. I highly doubt the gas heating of that element (by open flame) can convert 100% to infrared. Much of the gas exhaust is hot carbon dioxide air and water vapor, mixing and heating the surrounding air. Radiant tube heaters efficiency is only 60%, I could not find the numbers for ceramic heaters.
@@marijak3267 Doubt no more, my friend! Infrared heat is also known as 'Radiant heat'. The flame you mention heats the ceramic upp and since the ceramic isn't combustable - the only way for it to lose all the heat it's receiving is to radiate it outward in all directions. The energy frequensies emitted by the photons leaving the ceramic surface is basically "only" within the infrared spectrum.
Pardon my bordom inducing rant, hehe.
That being said - I still don't think that this type of heater is a good longterm solution do to the ease of condensation along the border of the rays, where hot meets cold.
The installation was also sloppy.
I mean - why didn't they just extend the plywood another 8 inches or so, still leaving a big air gap, and try to hide those hideous thing-a-majiggs behind that? I know that this is "just" a 'shop, and they probably just wanted to knock this out fast. But when you're making instructional videos that gets hundreds of thousands of views - shouldn't you strive to go that extra... Inch?
@@gustavlarsson7494 Off course this is what I meant; radiant heat. But the element won't 100% convert the convective heat (from burning gas) to radiant heat. I was trying to explain that towards the previous comment, this heater does warm the air, not just surfaces through radiant heat.
I would have thought the risk of combustion of sawdust would be too high for this unless he has amazing dust collection for every single tool
The answer to his question at 2:13 Ahhhhh here we go, right next to the chemical cabinet. 🤣
Awesome! Also glad to see you guys making it over to my neck of the woods!
Great if you run this 24x7, but if like other folks who are only going to run it once a while,. this thing will never heat up the garage to the point of being usable on a typical cold winter day. Far better off just running a propane blast heater by cracking the door open a bit to get the ambient temps to where they need to be , then using one or two regular electric portable heaters to maintain.
My grandfather and his neighbors had a heated garage. Basically they just had like a basically heat like they do in their house but for their garage so the vents in that they had vents in the garage and the vents would get heat from the from the furnace and that's how it would heat it so in the winter he could put both his cars in there and never have to worry about scraping them or anything in the ice and it was great
Didn’t even hear about Akron, OH before Lebron!?!
How many cordless drills do you really need ? Oh about 5
I've only have 3
And 2 corded LOL
@@jkgkjgkijk thinking he might have a little more on the ball though. 🤠
@@killingoldgrowthsince you think?
@@jkgkjgkijk sure do!
@@killingoldgrowthsince I doubt it, lots of pukes out there with similar aspirations. Mostly lowlifes with beer guts who could not get out of there own way if it was life or death. Mid fifties, wanna be woodworkers. Pukes! Know what I mean.
That dude must have every gimmicky thing ever produced!
like what?
Free wood burning stove from Craigslist in my shop. Burn scrap wood, branches, plastic, glass...anything that gives off a good heat.
I was hoping they would talk more about how to get a gas line into my garage.
Get a pellet stove :)
Had a pellet stove in my garage for 10 years. It worked really good, but it had a large footprint, and stole too much needed space. Removed and sold, installed a self contained gas fired wall mounted unit. Now the gas fumes are smelly after 30 minutes, although the unit heats the insulated garage nicely. It's tough to heat a garage that satifies all your needs.
The shop was already fitted with gas. No need to do it twice is there ?
Run one.
Looks like the furnace is pointed to far down. It doesn't seem like the Ray's would make it very far
I eat spicy foods and just ignite my farts works great.. Go thru a lot of matches though..
What about the toxic fumes?
This is the first time I saw a homeowner in your videos doing something intelligent. Most look like it’s the first time they seen a tool. Lol
its been over 2 years. how is it working and how much does it cost to run, and how what size is the shop. sq ft and ht.
Didn't realize you could just cut a flex line like that and add a fitting.
Yes it is good piping, however it must be bonded to be legal if your house were to be struck by lightning this gas pipe is known to split and catch fire and if it’s not bonded than insurance will deny any claim
@@aron6998 *may deny
I'm curious how the owner likes that heater 5 years into ownership. And how many 20 dollar bills it burns to warm things up?
Oil-filled stand alone radiators ( electric ) never get hot enough to combust anything, and provide both convection and radiation heat. Quiet. And they are cheap, like $30 or so from your typical big box store.
aren’t they too small to heat something as big as a two car garage? how many would it take?
@@cassconner6023 I bet two would work if the space was insulated.
Akron isn't to far about 25 mins from me definitely know the feeling about cold winters lol
My house all electric. I wonder if this will work on barbecue grill gas or the company makes one that does. Electric heaters too costly to run. Electric heaters in basement cost more to run in winter than two heat pumps that heats and cools the whole rest of the house all year. Cost prohibitive for instal!ing another heat pump just for the garage. I really need to invest in converting the basement to heat pump to use the area in winter first. 1-1/2 to 2 ton unit should do the trick
Nice French cleat system
I hope they grounded the gas line.
Hi guys, Please tell me, what about fire danger with dust ?? Thanks,
Great idea for heating a garage I didn't even think about that for a residential application. They use of big tube style radiant heaters for commercial workshops and they work really well.
I always worked in shops with commercial tube radiant heaters. I put a residential radiant in my large home garage and was a piece of crap! Removed it and used a unit heater. Perfect!
The only difference is the radiant tube heater is vented where as this little sucker is letting those toxic fumes into the space. This is a horrible idea
@@raymondmiller162 I think you’re thinking of something else. Two heaters get banded to the outside