Something I like about the new canon is Luke definitely getting better, but still having ups and downs in his journey. I think it’s cool and relatable to see him learning and stumbling as he becomes a better Jedi Master
Yes! The nice thing about Luke as a hero is that you watch him stumble and grapple with doing what is right and what right even is. It's a great example that you don't have to be perfect to do something good, and that even once you do a good thing, you still have to actively choose to continue to do good, it doesn't just happen.
I wish they could’ve given him other trials and tribulations tho. In Canon it’s more stuff he should’ve learned a long time ago from people who were in his life
I like sad and broken Luke from Last Jedi. I will never understand why so many people reacted so negatively to his character arc in the sequels. Even with crazy Force powers and the will to do good, he’s still only human. And he did some studying up on what really happened during the Clone Wars. What other conclusion could he draw after learning what kind of sketchy stuff his own masters were involved with during those wars? Not to mention his own failures. The Jedi had to end. I loved that he got to spend some time speaking with Ahsoka. It’s only fitting that she would be the first one to plant a seed of doubt in his head. Wish we could have seen that conversation. Hopefully more are to come in her series.
It seems the main question this arc asks of the characters is “Are you going to invest in the future or will you fall back to what you are used to” - Boba could have gone back to bounty hunting. - Grogu could have gone back to being a padawan. - Fennic, Krrsantan & the mods could have going back to paid assassinations, fighting for money & being scum. - Din on the other hand did go back to bounty hunting & the children of the watch sect.
And all it got him was frustration, loneliness, and being kicked out of the most important tribe he had in his life to that point. It wasn't until he returned to help Boba Fett "in the name of honor", such a great title for the finale in so many ways, that he was able to reunite with the tribe that can give his life joy and meaning.
@@HHHTheGame01 But I think he isn’t quite where he need to be, as I assume he will try to bath in the water of Mandalor to get back in with the cult. But he probably ends up doings it because he can, as he will have to realize that if he is to be the next Mandalor he needs to be the one who leads not the one that follows.
@@Bas-TB he absolutely has a long way to go as far as character growth. I think the next season of The Mandalorion is gonna explore exactly what you said and it's gonna be great to see Dins growth. I don't know if he needs to be the mandalore. If so I would be ok with it. I think he's learned a few things about leadership from watching Boba Fett work with his tribe.
@@HHHTheGame01 Getting hold of the darksaber should lead somewhere, it could be broken or purposely lost like Revan once did with the mask. I could have seen Boba taking it. With the big fight a episode earlier, in it Boba picks the saber up to fight with it. But it gets handed back to Din who suggest a fair fight over it. And it could remain with Fett for the foreseeable time, till someone less worthy takes it off him.
I agree with all your points except Grogu's because IMO returning to Mando is falling back unlike Boba or his entourage. Even though he's technically been a padawan for the majority of his life, I think they would have made it way more clear that Grogu enjoyed and was more comfortable/used to Jedi training if they wanted to make this parallel. Given between returning to Mando or becoming a padawan, I don't see how returning to Mando was the better decision for the future. Luke even makes the point that "a small time for you is a lifetime for others", meaning he would be better off letting go now since he will inevitably outlive everyone he becomes attached to in the current timeline. His decision seems more aligned with Din's all things considered.
I feel that everyone misses what Lukes really says in his speech to Grogu : he does not say "you shouldn't be attached, it's bad to love", he says "with your training and your duties, you won't be able to maintain this attachment" (I'm paraphrasing). He does not tell that following Mando is bad, he says it will be incompatible. For me it is a much more logical exposition of this choice, and way more balanced than the way the old jedi presented it (love leads to pain, thus it is bad).
If they took the time to develop it no one would bat an eye. We don’t see Luke’s response to Grogu. Luke shows up, we don’t know what he’s really thinking, and then he’s gone. Had they placed Ep 5 & 6 at the beginning of The Mandalorian S3 and extended Grogu’s return another ep I think people wouldn’t be hedging.
If what Luke said was “Grogu if your heart isn’t in this anymore, just tell me and you can go back” then your point would make sense but “You will have given into attachment and if you choose this metal shirt leave my temple and never come back” is more akin to what Luke meant
@@emperorholocron8278 I don't think so. That conversation is prefaced by him explaining that Grogu is live lifetimes longer than the average person. I know people like everything to be spelled out but I really think this is Luke making sure Grogu knows that staying to train means he may never see Din again based on this. Grogu could train for 50 years, be ready to venture out into the galaxy, and decide to look for Din only to discover he's gone. I also think he is telling Grogu that, because of this unique aspect of his species, he has time to train later. If you train a youngling for anywhere from 10-15 years before they're a Padawan then that gives them 20-30 of training during their prime. If younglings were brought in at age 10-15 instead of age 5, then you're losing about 30% of their Jedi lifespan, so to speak. Grogu doesn't have this problem he can stay with Din for 30-50 years, train as a Jedi for another 50-100 years, and then still be in his prime for 300 years. I think this gets to the core of why Luke didn't push Grogu to stay and train like he may have another student. I also think this is why he fails Kylo, but that's another discussion
I don’t understand the controversy over Luke giving Grogu a choice: he provided Grogu an off-ramp, a permission structure to follow his heart rather than continue along a path his heart was no longer set on. The tragedy of Anakin Skywalker isn’t that the Jedi Order’s non-attachment policy existed; it’s that Anakin never had a real choice to pursue what he wanted AND BE ACCEPTED. He was the Chosen One, destined to be a Jedi; how could he have ever turned down that responsibility? So he had to hide his attachments until they destroyed him. Imagine if Yoda or Obi-wan or Mace had been perceptive enough to see where Anakin’s heart truly was and had given him permission to step away on his own terms. How might things have turned out differently?
I think he always had that permission. The Force and the Jedi are always about choice. The issue was that to do so would be to sacrifice one way of life for another where Anakin(who "knows nothing of greed" yet is described as greedy and possessive by Lucas) wanted to have both. But the Jedi way of life just doesn't allow for that. It's like the difference between being single and devoting your mind solely to God and being married and devoting your mind to the needs of your spouse and children while *making time* to observe God's will. Both are valid, both have their rewards, and both will have you tied and freed up in different ways that just won't mesh. That said, the latest Mace Windu novel "The Glass Abyss" shows us that, against all fandom and Filoni-fueled expectations, Mace would have actually been in the best position to counsel Anakin on his issues and desires, if only Anakin hadn't had something to prove - let alone having Palpatine in his ear.
I do not think Luke’s question to Grogu was as simple as it may have seemed. Luke needed a way to determine if Grogu was committed to the life of a Jedi. Luke was trying to answer the question Yoda asked Obi-Wan, “Will he finish what he begins?” Luke has no one to ask, except Grogu himself. In the end, it seems Grogu made the same decision as Luke did with Yoda. Luke set aside his training to rescue his friends, and those he loved.
I think, Alex, if between Chapters 5 and 6 they would've added a short episode of 'Boba Fett' training with the rancor and rancor keeper... and then a final scene of the Pykes hiring a shadowy figure (who would get revealed to be 'Cad Bane' in Chaper 6), it might've dispelled those feelings of disjointedness. But... that's what happened in my headcanon, anyway. 😊
You make some very good points particularly about Din and Grogu. If we were to understand more about Luke's quest we'll need more time perhaps in an episode just about him to show exactly that.
For the Q/A Do you think we'll see Grogu be more tempted by the dark side in the Mandalorian season 3 since he did not complete his training as a Jedi with Luke? Afterall we saw him nearly choke to death Cara Dune.
@@Tigershark_3082 so what should he have done? Not given him a choice and made the choice for him? I keep seeing this same narrative being relayed all over the internet... I'm confused how this can be compared to the downfall of the Jedi.
On the show's theme of having a "tribe" -- I was totally expecting Luke to personally drop off Grogu to Din at the end of the finale, after the little guy chooses the beskar shirt. Luke would explain how he respects the little one's choice. He'd acknowledge just how important family has been in shaping his own destiny, gesturing at a small "tribe" behind him, as the camera pulls back revealing....Han, Leia, little Ben, Chewie, R2, and 3PO all standing outside the ramp of the Millennium Falcon. Cut to Din and Grogu, before cutting back to a final hero shot, pushing in on the original trilogy cast as the music swells. Cut to black, roll credits. A post-ROTJ shot of the OG cast all together, finally accomplished...in a tie-in series no less!
This is shaping up to be one hell of a story. Still, on the whole much of it should have been saved for Mando season 3. My guess is they learned from Stranger Things that child actors have a tendency to grow up. Grogu is not going to be 50 forever and you have to strike while the Beskar furnace is hot, so to speak.
The way this show tried to include Din, Grogu and Luke reminds me a lot of how ‘Better Call Saul’ introduced an almost entirely separate plotline featuring the cartel side of the Breaking Bad world. This storyline barely crosses over with Saul’s much more low-key lawyer shenanigans (hell, the show runners even once described it as getting two shows for the price of one) but the two worlds are connected through strong thematic or narrative parallels (for instance: Saul and Mike’s moral degradation, or Hector Salamanca and Chuck McGill’s falls from grace etc). However, I think Better Call Saul interweaves these two plot lines in a much more cohesive and satisfactory manner, as it intercuts between the two regularly rather than just benching one plotline for a whole episode (aside from the occasional episode like Five-O or Chicanery which absolutely warrant the extra focus). It helps a lot with the pacing as it keeps the plotlines in motion, and makes the thematic parallels a lot clearer between the two. It also helps that the cartel storyline evolves quite naturally in scale as Mike slowly goes from small time protection work, to falling in the crosshairs of drug kingpins like Fring and the Salamancas. What I’m trying to say is that if Book of Boba Fett is going to stick with this more ensemble approach in future, they should probably limit it to Boba’s tribe on Tatooine and go from there. Might help organise the plotlines a bit better in the limited run of episodes that they have.
I still confused why people think Luke banned attachment because he knows how important attachments is that’s why he push Grogu to choose mando by saying a short time of yours is a life time of someone else’s
Luke and Grogu's time together was one of the highlights of TBOBF for me and I have to admit having Grogu arrive in Mos Espa in chapter 7 was anticlimactic and I feel slightly robbed of the emotion felt during the S2 Finale of Mando. They should've definitely kept them apart for longer and built up a bigger and better reunion. Unless there's a clever post twist in S3....
I liked the show overall, but I do agree that the Din and Luke episodes should've been in Mando S3, hell, if Din just showed up or if there were two scenes of Fennec going to Pelli's workshop where she sees Din, then those episodes would've served as the perfect setup for whatever S3 will be, and Book of Boba Fett would've benefited from another episode to see Boba train with the Rancor, more time to develop the Mods, even one last flashback of the duel between young Boba (played by Daniel Logan) and Cad Bane.
I disagree with the idea that it was Luke's attachment that saved his father. You can't have attachment to a man you barely know, no matter what kind of family title he has in relation to you. It was Luke's compassion that saved his father. He knew what kind of person Darth Vader was, he saw the things that he could do and Luke still chose to be compassionate towards him.
I do think they should have saved the Luke/Grogu stuff for Mando S3 (or even a new series). It took 2 seasons of Mando trying to return Grogu to his people which was essentially accomplished with an emotional farewell, but then that's all undone/reset inside another character's show before Mando S3. Boba could have and probably should have been the one to calm the Rancor down seeing as it's supposed to be bonded with him, that didn't need to be given to Grogu. Or better still, Boba uses Slave 1 to destroy the droids instead of riding the Rancor so soon with no time spent training it. I just think Grogu could have easily sat this one out and then saved his reunion with Din for late into Mando S3 for a far bigger emotional payoff.
Star Wars Explained i keep asking myself this question will grogu come back to train with luke because he need to complete his training i wont lie he is good but he need more training also will luke or ahsoak teach mando how to use the darksaber and in the season 2 of book of boba fett will luke help boba if he meets him again water under the bridge
@@gerardocovarrubias3058 I don’t know if he needs formal training. Anakin might have lived to be more powerful if he wasn’t constantly frustrated by Jedi training, Ashoka became more powerful after she left the order, Kanan managed to get knighted in a force vision, Ezra has more versatility in the force than Kanan Jedi teachings, Luke didn’t actually finish any his training under a living Jedi, Kylo doesn’t seem particularly well trained or disciplined, Ray just has some basics and some books. Grogu is still very young and could very well figure things out himself without the Jedi aughts. He might never become as powerful a force user as Yoda once was, but Yoda didn’t have the perks of bring a Mandalorian.
@@gerardocovarrubias3058 Jedi training is overrated. The way the Jedi and Sith look at the force as being Light or dark is a self imposed limit. At least that is what I get from the Bendu in Rebels, combined with the other cases "Jedi And Sith Wield The Ashla And The Bogan, The Light And The Dark. I'm The One In The Middle, The Bendu." "Leave This Place. I Am The Light. I Am The Dark. I Am The Bendu."
I fully admit that it was odd seeing Luke and focusing on him so much in this show. As much as I liked the series and everything that happened with Luke, I can't deny its placement was a little weird but I did see the thematic elements they were going for. Boba is trying to rebuild himself and his tribe, Luke is trying to rebuild the Jedi. Both are trying to move forward in life in new roles. I loved everything with him and Grogu and I think its place in this series might make more sense when Mandalorian S3 comes around. I have to confess though I have mixed feelings about Luke's stance on attachment in this episode. I get it but it really feels like a lesson he should have already learned given his experiences with Anakin, Leia, Han and so on so it's frustrating to see his character behave this way, even if I can understand why, he's trying to restore the Jedi as they were which is not inherently wrong. I've made this comparison before but Luke giving Grogu that choice reminds me of the holocron from Jedi: Fallen Order. Cal destroys the holocron at the end of the game and people said it made the story pointless which is just not true if you look at the reasons for doing it. Cal tries to get the holocron because he believes at the time that it's the best thing to do: to find the children and train them but he comes to realize that maybe it isn't because he'd be making that choice for those kids so he destroys the holocron to ensure that they get to make their own choices. It's a very similar thing with Din, Grogu and Luke. Din spent the second season (not the first as I saw some people saying) trying to find a Jedi to train Grogu because he felt that was what was best for him, and maybe it was, at the time but it probably didn't feel like it expected it to for either of them and I think Luke comes to realize the same thing Cal did, it wasn't truly Grogu's choice so he gave him one and Grogu chose Din. None of that negates what happened in The Mandalorian, it's the next step in their relationship and Luke is the catalyst to make that happen. The fact that it happened "so soon" after the S2 finale means nothing because it's the next logical step regardless. I would even say I think Luke pushed Grogu more towards Din by pointing out that a short time for his species is a lifetime for someone else, so the time Grogu would spend with Din is precious. Luke probably had his own thoughts about what was right for Grogu after speaking with Ahsoka and laid it all out for him but leaving Grogu to make the final choice and I think he chose what Luke had in mind
I think Luke isn't against attachments in generell. Grogu wasn't fokussed on his Training at all and was allways thinking about Din Luke on the other hand had all his attachments but he was able to fokus on his Training with Yoda oder his Training alone He balanced it out but Grogu wasn't able to really balance the way of the Jedi and his attachments
I think Luke is more important to BoBF in ways that you may not have yet realized. I also see far more parallels to Isaac Asimov’s “Foundation”, than Frank Herbert’s “Dune”. To begin, let’s not lose sight of the fact that all of Star Wars is galactic history being recited to the audience as entries in something known as “The Journal of the Whills.” The original Foundation trilogy was being recited to the reader as entries in a document known as “Encyclopedia Galactica.” In Foundation, the fire blasters. Their spaceships use hyperdrives to travel through hyperspace. They even have beings with mental powers that can control the minds of other beings. The titles of the saga films have always held double meanings, and BoBF seems to be following that tradition. On the surface, it seems to be a Boba Fett back story. As it has unfolded, it seems to be Boba Fett redefining himself to live a cleaner life, “by the book.” So, why is Luke so important to this “Interlude” in “The Mandalorian” series? Because Luke is just beginning down that same path of redefining himself, as well as the Jedi Order. Luke has once again taken the first steps onto a bigger journey.
I liked your analysis. I had no problem with the overlapping of Din's and Boba's stories. I think the episode with Luke and Grogu was to set us up for Season 3. Although, I noticed that once Din was reunited with Gorgu, he could wield the Darksaber more effectively. So, maybe it was more Din's attachment to Grogu that was the problem for Grogu rather than Grogu's attachment to Din, if that makes sense. I'm not saying Grogu isn't attached to Din, but that their attachment was more of a problem for Din than it was for Grogu. When Luke presented Grogu with the two gifts, his reaction was that he thought he was just being given both and he was going to stay there. He didn't look upset or fearful until Luke presented him with the idea that he may never see Din again if he chose the lightsaber and stayed.
I’m concerned about future stories doing these “interludes” more and more. That instead of just telling solid stories each show requires every other show for it to make sense. Clone Wars had long seasons (20+ episodes) so the whole bouncing around worked.
i feel like even 12 would work and have either ep 6 or 7 interlude to other events currently happening. i enjoyed the mando and luke ep but having them back to back hurt the series
While i do agree with everything you said about the tribes and choosing who you surround (or don't surround) yourself with. I think the show is also at its core about reinvention, about CHOOSING who you are, and what you are above people's expectations of you, and while this is clear in Boba, all the side characters also have that choice. Fennec goes from a lone assassin to Boba's second in command, the Mods and Krrsantan go from being alone working for people who don't care, who mistreat, and who discard them to choosing who they work for, to trusting others and working for a right cause. And chapters 5 and 6 are about those choices in Din and in Grogu, Chapter 5 we follow Din alone without his previous cause and path due to grogu leaving, he falls to his old life, and due to the life he chose through Grogu, his previous life is no longer fit, we see him struggle to find a new life, struggle to recognize and see the purpose of the Darksaber and his path to Mand'alor, while Grogu is back with him he is starting to re-invent and see this path. And in Chapter 6 we see Grogu struggling with the life he had with Din, and the expectation of his Jedi heritage, and his time with Luke is them realizing that, and giving him the choice of what life to go forward with. While it is not so evident at times, every character goes through the path of choosing the life they live and reinventing themselves. Boba is the central one but everyone surrounding him has a similar experience thanks to the ripple effects of the Life Boba is building... I still think this could have been handled better given more time (and seeing it in their own shows), but I still recognize how all stories have that central theme of destiny and choice connecting them all to the main arc and main plot line.
Right: Din resumes taking bounty jobs, tracks down the new Covert, takes a commercial transport to Tatooine, rebuilds an N1 Starfighter, and THEN tracks down Grogu. There’s a lot of fast-forwarding and shorthand going on, meaning that we don’t actually know how long anything takes.
As much as I loved the training I feel that that it should have been the opening of mandalorian season 3 and all the Tatooine stuff should of been put in other episodes
When it comes to Luke. I don't think it's that simple. Luke had to stop his training and he was told his training would end if he went off to save his love ones. That's what I think happened here. He's a new Jedi trying to bring a new meaning to the force, it could even be possible that he's continuing his teaching with the kid through the force. Seeing as Luke is pretty good at reaching out to others through the force. He's a teacher doing his best, but hey I might be wrong about all of that. Who knows. We'll have to wait for season two of Boba or season three of Mando.
Wait, I didn't see Grogu using the force against Kara as a dark side thing. I saw it as someone protecting his protector. Same with the stormtroopers...maybe I am just too optimistic of a person when it comes to entertainment, but I have never seen Grogu as Dark. Just untrained and immature.
Force choke is generally seen as a “dark side ability”. I tend to take the philosophy of the Jedi Academy in the video games which was that abilities aren’t inherently good or bad, what matters more is your intent in using them. I agree with you. I just saw a baby who didn’t understand arm wrestling trying to protect his dad, but I do think it would be interesting for the show to explore the impact that being desensitized to violence has on him.
I think the reason why "Force choke" is seen as a Dark Side-coded skill is because it's a particularly cruel way of putting an opponent down. They struggle and suffer before dying or passing out, vs. being quickly and more mercifully killed by a well-placed lightsaber stroke, or being subdued by knocking them unconscious. (Which, well, dealing out a concussion is just as or more dangerous than asphyxiation, but I'm talking in terms of common fictional on-screen means of taking somebody out.) That said, it makes sense for a Force-strong kid to jump to doing something like Force choke because when kids are upset they're not going to automatically consider more thoughtful means of lashing out - Grogu would have been angry that Din was being "hurt" by a "big meanie" and feel the childish urge to retaliate in equally mean fashion. Now, funnily enough, with him having put the rancor to sleep, he could potentially use THAT method to deal with possible threats instead of resorting to something more violent.
@@threadsketch7267 Right, but this was about intent. To harm vs to protect. Sometimes protection for others comes at the expense of "harming" the person you are trying to protect FROM. For instance, it took violence on the part of the allies to free my people from death camps, do you think the allies were "the dark side" for killing those that would kill my people(the Jews)?
I suppose one of the reasons for the fall of Luke's academy is the lack of family for both him and Ben. Would Ben have been in a much better place mentally if he could have seen him mother and father more? Would Luke dealt with Ben's growing darkness better if he could have talked to Leia about it? I think that having support around Luke while he tried to rebuild the Jedi Order would have taken some of the pressure off him that he feels about being the mythical person "Luke Skywalker". So bringing it back to the video thesis, Luke and Ben didn't have their tribe and it cost them everything.
It was kinda hypocritical for Luke to make Grogu chose when he himself walked away from his training with Yoda to be with his friends but went back afterwards to complete it proving training isn’t purely black and white.
Grogu's choice get's so much better if you read the 20st issue of the main Star Wars comic run. Spoiler: In this comic Luke has some kind of a vision where Jedi Master Elzar Mann tells him that he isn't responsible for rebuilding the Jedi Order. He can, if he wants to, but he is not obliged to do it. He can choose to not be a Jedi. Luke did chose to be a Jedi, but Grogo made another decision. And the fact that The Book of Boba Fett Chapter 6 and this comic came out almost contemporary makes it so much better.
I really hope that Grogus choice was like Lukes choice when he went to Bespin. I would prefer Grogu to be part of the Jedi Arcs and not in the Season 3 of the Mandalorian. He could have his appearances of course. But Din should explore more of Mandalore, its history and him becoming the leader the dark saber makes him.
The thing about the side-story of Luke and Grogu needing to happen, as well as Din's journey though the Armourer and Peli, is that there was the payoff of seeing Grogu return to Din's life. Also, if Din just randomly showed up, followed by Grogu, it wouldn't have made any sense without the context.
Maybe I missed it, but did someone say how long Mando and Grogu were separated? I feel like that amount of time was really left vague. Maybe in the next season of Mando we will see how long he was separated and what happened during that time.
Din is definitely feeling more confident with the darksaber as seen in the last episode of the book of boba fett. He’ll become a great ruler of mandalore I feel like!
I feel they could have saved the Luke and Grogu stuff for Season 3 and just had Mando team up w Boba immediately for battle; then end with him off to find Grogu. But whatever. I'm not a writer for Star Wars
It feels strange that Asokah is letting Luke create a new order. Especially when she saw first hand the failings of the Jedi order with her former master and his father, Anakin.
The way took this divergence is the same as you do when it happens in an actual book. It is either a pace change to tell a different part of a story or setup of the two story lines to cross in the future. I would suspect the latter in this and those who have been decrying it so loudly to be shown just how asinine it is to be such babies.
I'm OK with Grogu's decision. I'm not OK with Luke presenting him that ultimatum, feels totally out of character. And I definitely feel like that whole arch could have been shown in a Luke show, or mando Season *4*, o something like that. Having Din and Grogu reunited between seasons really undermines the S2 finale. Grogu shouldn't have been in the Boba show at all, feels like a forced executive decision.
When Boba Fett showed up in the Mandalorian, they explained how and why he and Fennec got there in two sentences, and then covered the whole story in the Book of Boba Fett. They could do the same when Din and Grogu showed up to help Boba Fett, and leave these two episodes for a more relevant show. The Book of Boba Fett had only 7 episodes. Wasting two on hardly relevant arcs...? They could use this screen time to show more of the conflict on Tatooine and develop the characters of the mods - I don't even remember their names or how two of them looked.
Luke Skywalker has murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people if not a million when he blew up the Death Star, and Favreau keeps shoehorning the murderous little psychopath into his shows! with the death of Ben Solo the Galaxy is finally at peace now that the 50 plus year Skywalker Galactic Rampage is over
Chapter 6 feels even more forced with your remarks. The interaction between Luke, Grogu and Ashoka should have taken place in Season 3 of Mandolorian. Grogu should have stayed away from Din for at least 6 months. Right now it feels Grogu gave in to his 'homesickness'. To be a partner to Din rather than a liability, Grogu should have trained more. Din also needed fuether separation to decide bounty hunting was no longer his calling. If Grogu returned in Chapter 7 of Mandolorian, imagine what a team they would present
I don’t want to sound like a downer or someone who’s nitpicky but Luke’s characterisation and attitude on attachment ignores everything he goes through in ROTJ. He is the one character in Star Wars who should see that attachment is important?
The are 3 ways to make sense of this: A) That same attachment is also what nearly turned him to the dark side, and he doesn't want to take that risk again B) He is starting to become hypocritical like the Jedi before him C) I guess he's afraid of Grogu becoming overprotective of Din like Anakin was with Padme, as can be seen when he chocked Cara Dune during the arm wrestle, and Luke allowing attachments for himself is the result of hubris (as mentioned in The Last Jedi)
@@knowledgeanddefense1054 The whole point of Luke’s story in the OT is attachment, as a parallel to Anakin’s in the Prequels. Luke’s attachment to Vader is what saves them both. He’s literally the parallel to Anakin in ROTS, he has attachment but when he sees how it can consume he finds the balance between possessiveness and love?
@@emperorholocron8278 Their attachments save them but it also what ends up almost dooming both of them. Right now, Luke doesn't see Grogu as in need of saving, so maybe he doesn't want to take a risk pointlessly. The chosen one found balance after many decades of awful mistakes that resulted in the deaths of countless. Grogu is just a baby. I can see Luke not liking those odds.
@@knowledgeanddefense1054 to me Luke gave Grogu the choice he gave not because he is afraid at all of his possible atachments, at least at this point in the timeline, i hadnt even thout about it until i saw this vidio and comments, the way i interprete all of that scene is Luke scenses grogus connection to the Mandalorian and doesnt want to force him to follow life has a jedi if that is not what he wants, felling that he might prefer to grow by the side of mando, wich, to me, would also make scense, since Luke grew while his father figure, uncle owen was forcing him to follow the life he wanted for him, refusing Luke the right to choose for himsel his faith, so, to me this is my interpretation, it has nothing to do with fear of atachments, and if it has it is a small concern for Luke at the point in the story, and Luke isnt out of character at all.
@@knowledgeanddefense1054 The whole point of Luke looking at his cybernetic hand is that he realises this is happening and he is becoming Vader. The whole “if you are attached to anyone in anyway get out and never come back stuff” is something he should’ve learned from ages ago
Personally din and grogu reuniting at the end of the book of boba fett kind of contradicts what happens at the end of the mandalorian season 2. I mean I get why it was done but the whole point of the first 2 seasons was about mando trying to reunite grogu with the Jedi. So where the show go from here? Just to sell more toys?
All of this shows have a common vision and an objective they are building thourds, nothing is being done by chance, plus the season two arc of getting grogu to his kind ended when he came to Luke, but the story defenetely didnt, new objectives for the characters are in store, wich the seeds have already been planted, for exemple, Din possibly becoming the Mandalor, the series, and this group of series was never just about Dins objective to return Grogu to his species, plus what he went through with Luke was acctually important since it helped develop his character, and also planted seeds for further development.
@@duartebraganca7785 very true! But I just kind of wish grogu coming back to mando was handled in a different way. Even though I like what we ultimately got I can’t help to feel I would’ve handled things differently.
@@BrennySpain i think i understand what you are saying, but i think it will still be touched upon in greater detail in season 3, like the return from the dead of boba in season 2 where we got a very small explanation, and then we really dived in to it on book of boba
@@duartebraganca7785 yes very true but at least with boba fett I kind of has a feeling they’d do a spin-off show about him given you can’t just bring a character back from the dead like that and not explain how he got there. I kind of guessed that there was going to be a spin-off show before the season 2 finale. Like I didn’t predict it but I’m glad Jon Favreau got his way with waiting to announce the show right after it ended and not at the big Disney investors day the week before. Very smart strategy!
I don't think the Luke we see in Book of Boba Fett does justice to the Luke we see at the end of ROTJ, at least for now. He still demonizes attachment and makes Grogu choose between family or being a Jedi, a choice that the first six movies made us see was a wrong thing to force on someone. A choice that Luke refused and enabled him to redeem an irredeemable person, his father, through attachement and love. We always thought that Luke´s new Jedi order would repair the mistakes of the old Jedi Order, since he was the one to refuse the advice of their old masters who thought that killing Vader was the only solution, but maybe that will be impossible now that TLJ Luke exists in canon. But I may be wrong in the long run, so I´ll keep watching for sure.
I guess it might be better to adept the story so Ashoka and/or Ezra are/is the main Jedi(s) of that tale, Rebels seem to have setup them up against Thrawn. I wished we would have had that sequel trilogy back in the 90’s.
@@Bas-TB what people like about those stories is that it's the OT; if youre giving their story to other Jedi, just write something new. It way too half a measure
@@mistersparkles1842 I agree, as in my head I had mostly just a post EP6 Thrawn vs Jedi story. Than some copy past of the old story to base it on Ashoka, Ezra, Sabine, Hera & Chopper.
Luke is too important a character to be training Jedi while overlooking the Uncanny Valley. Either don’t use him or recast. This real-life action figure version is more of a disservice to the character and his story than anything Rian Johnson could have even imagined.
I hope the Sequel trilogy is in a parellel universe to the universe we saw in the Book of Boba fett. That would allow for Luke's Jedi academy to maybe be successful and for Lukes story to take a more Legends route. I think the divergent timeline came when Ezra pulled Ashoka into the world between worlds. In the Sequel trilogy timeline..Ashoka is dead. But in the Book of Boba Fett and hopefully beyond shes alive. I think thats the only way to save Star Wars going forward
Something I like about the new canon is Luke definitely getting better, but still having ups and downs in his journey. I think it’s cool and relatable to see him learning and stumbling as he becomes a better Jedi Master
Yes! The nice thing about Luke as a hero is that you watch him stumble and grapple with doing what is right and what right even is. It's a great example that you don't have to be perfect to do something good, and that even once you do a good thing, you still have to actively choose to continue to do good, it doesn't just happen.
I wish they could’ve given him other trials and tribulations tho. In Canon it’s more stuff he should’ve learned a long time ago from people who were in his life
@@emperorholocron8278 To be fair, that could be said about a lot of people, y'know? Certainly not unrealistic
I like sad and broken Luke from Last Jedi. I will never understand why so many people reacted so negatively to his character arc in the sequels. Even with crazy Force powers and the will to do good, he’s still only human. And he did some studying up on what really happened during the Clone Wars. What other conclusion could he draw after learning what kind of sketchy stuff his own masters were involved with during those wars? Not to mention his own failures. The Jedi had to end. I loved that he got to spend some time speaking with Ahsoka. It’s only fitting that she would be the first one to plant a seed of doubt in his head. Wish we could have seen that conversation. Hopefully more are to come in her series.
@@jayburdification isn’t the Jedi’s base purpose to stop the dark side of the force? Does it make drawing the green just a touch more understandable?
It seems the main question this arc asks of the characters is “Are you going to invest in the future or will you fall back to what you are used to”
- Boba could have gone back to bounty hunting.
- Grogu could have gone back to being a padawan.
- Fennic, Krrsantan & the mods could have going back to paid assassinations, fighting for money & being scum.
- Din on the other hand did go back to bounty hunting & the children of the watch sect.
And all it got him was frustration, loneliness, and being kicked out of the most important tribe he had in his life to that point. It wasn't until he returned to help Boba Fett "in the name of honor", such a great title for the finale in so many ways, that he was able to reunite with the tribe that can give his life joy and meaning.
@@HHHTheGame01 But I think he isn’t quite where he need to be, as I assume he will try to bath in the water of Mandalor to get back in with the cult.
But he probably ends up doings it because he can, as he will have to realize that if he is to be the next Mandalor he needs to be the one who leads not the one that follows.
@@Bas-TB he absolutely has a long way to go as far as character growth. I think the next season of The Mandalorion is gonna explore exactly what you said and it's gonna be great to see Dins growth. I don't know if he needs to be the mandalore. If so I would be ok with it. I think he's learned a few things about leadership from watching Boba Fett work with his tribe.
@@HHHTheGame01 Getting hold of the darksaber should lead somewhere, it could be broken or purposely lost like Revan once did with the mask.
I could have seen Boba taking it. With the big fight a episode earlier, in it Boba picks the saber up to fight with it. But it gets handed back to Din who suggest a fair fight over it.
And it could remain with Fett for the foreseeable time, till someone less worthy takes it off him.
I agree with all your points except Grogu's because IMO returning to Mando is falling back unlike Boba or his entourage. Even though he's technically been a padawan for the majority of his life, I think they would have made it way more clear that Grogu enjoyed and was more comfortable/used to Jedi training if they wanted to make this parallel.
Given between returning to Mando or becoming a padawan, I don't see how returning to Mando was the better decision for the future. Luke even makes the point that "a small time for you is a lifetime for others", meaning he would be better off letting go now since he will inevitably outlive everyone he becomes attached to in the current timeline. His decision seems more aligned with Din's all things considered.
I feel that everyone misses what Lukes really says in his speech to Grogu : he does not say "you shouldn't be attached, it's bad to love", he says "with your training and your duties, you won't be able to maintain this attachment" (I'm paraphrasing). He does not tell that following Mando is bad, he says it will be incompatible. For me it is a much more logical exposition of this choice, and way more balanced than the way the old jedi presented it (love leads to pain, thus it is bad).
If they took the time to develop it no one would bat an eye. We don’t see Luke’s response to Grogu.
Luke shows up, we don’t know what he’s really thinking, and then he’s gone.
Had they placed Ep 5 & 6 at the beginning of The Mandalorian S3 and extended Grogu’s return another ep I think people wouldn’t be hedging.
@@forrestpenrod2294 yeah, on that matter I agree. The message was good, the realisation was sloppy
Yeah, he says something about Grogu's training taking a life time since Grogu's species ages so slowly.
If what Luke said was “Grogu if your heart isn’t in this anymore, just tell me and you can go back” then your point would make sense but “You will have given into attachment and if you choose this metal shirt leave my temple and never come back” is more akin to what Luke meant
@@emperorholocron8278 I don't think so. That conversation is prefaced by him explaining that Grogu is live lifetimes longer than the average person. I know people like everything to be spelled out but I really think this is Luke making sure Grogu knows that staying to train means he may never see Din again based on this. Grogu could train for 50 years, be ready to venture out into the galaxy, and decide to look for Din only to discover he's gone. I also think he is telling Grogu that, because of this unique aspect of his species, he has time to train later. If you train a youngling for anywhere from 10-15 years before they're a Padawan then that gives them 20-30 of training during their prime. If younglings were brought in at age 10-15 instead of age 5, then you're losing about 30% of their Jedi lifespan, so to speak. Grogu doesn't have this problem he can stay with Din for 30-50 years, train as a Jedi for another 50-100 years, and then still be in his prime for 300 years. I think this gets to the core of why Luke didn't push Grogu to stay and train like he may have another student. I also think this is why he fails Kylo, but that's another discussion
I don’t understand the controversy over Luke giving Grogu a choice: he provided Grogu an off-ramp, a permission structure to follow his heart rather than continue along a path his heart was no longer set on.
The tragedy of Anakin Skywalker isn’t that the Jedi Order’s non-attachment policy existed; it’s that Anakin never had a real choice to pursue what he wanted AND BE ACCEPTED. He was the Chosen One, destined to be a Jedi; how could he have ever turned down that responsibility? So he had to hide his attachments until they destroyed him.
Imagine if Yoda or Obi-wan or Mace had been perceptive enough to see where Anakin’s heart truly was and had given him permission to step away on his own terms. How might things have turned out differently?
I think he always had that permission. The Force and the Jedi are always about choice. The issue was that to do so would be to sacrifice one way of life for another where Anakin(who "knows nothing of greed" yet is described as greedy and possessive by Lucas) wanted to have both. But the Jedi way of life just doesn't allow for that. It's like the difference between being single and devoting your mind solely to God and being married and devoting your mind to the needs of your spouse and children while *making time* to observe God's will. Both are valid, both have their rewards, and both will have you tied and freed up in different ways that just won't mesh.
That said, the latest Mace Windu novel "The Glass Abyss" shows us that, against all fandom and Filoni-fueled expectations, Mace would have actually been in the best position to counsel Anakin on his issues and desires, if only Anakin hadn't had something to prove - let alone having Palpatine in his ear.
I do not think Luke’s question to Grogu was as simple as it may have seemed. Luke needed a way to determine if Grogu was committed to the life of a Jedi.
Luke was trying to answer the question Yoda asked Obi-Wan, “Will he finish what he begins?” Luke has no one to ask, except Grogu himself.
In the end, it seems Grogu made the same decision as Luke did with Yoda. Luke set aside his training to rescue his friends, and those he loved.
I think, Alex, if between Chapters 5 and 6 they would've added a short episode of 'Boba Fett' training with the rancor and rancor keeper... and then a final scene of the Pykes hiring a shadowy figure (who would get revealed to be 'Cad Bane' in Chaper 6), it might've dispelled those feelings of disjointedness. But... that's what happened in my headcanon, anyway. 😊
You make some very good points particularly about Din and Grogu. If we were to understand more about Luke's quest we'll need more time perhaps in an episode just about him to show exactly that.
Interesting to see Grogu's choice framed as a dichotomy between family and duty - makes me think of Sophocles' Antigone
What in the world are the Ant Droids that I see building Luke’s Jedi Temple and Din’s “ Is that a bench.?” XD
For the Q/A Do you think we'll see Grogu be more tempted by the dark side in the Mandalorian season 3 since he did not complete his training as a Jedi with Luke? Afterall we saw him nearly choke to death Cara Dune.
I loved seeing Luke Skywalker train Grogu and then give him the choice to be a Jedi or stay with Din Djarin.
That was honestly my least favprite part. I was hoping Luke wouldn't be a stickler for the old Jedi Ways, since that ultimately led to their downfall
@@Tigershark_3082 same
@@Tigershark_3082 so what should he have done? Not given him a choice and made the choice for him? I keep seeing this same narrative being relayed all over the internet... I'm confused how this can be compared to the downfall of the Jedi.
On the show's theme of having a "tribe" -- I was totally expecting Luke to personally drop off Grogu to Din at the end of the finale, after the little guy chooses the beskar shirt. Luke would explain how he respects the little one's choice. He'd acknowledge just how important family has been in shaping his own destiny, gesturing at a small "tribe" behind him, as the camera pulls back revealing....Han, Leia, little Ben, Chewie, R2, and 3PO all standing outside the ramp of the Millennium Falcon. Cut to Din and Grogu, before cutting back to a final hero shot, pushing in on the original trilogy cast as the music swells. Cut to black, roll credits. A post-ROTJ shot of the OG cast all together, finally accomplished...in a tie-in series no less!
This is shaping up to be one hell of a story. Still, on the whole much of it should have been saved for Mando season 3.
My guess is they learned from Stranger Things that child actors have a tendency to grow up. Grogu is not going to be 50 forever and you have to strike while the Beskar furnace is hot, so to speak.
George’s quote is so relevant for today
Great discussion and thoughtful points! Well balanced and insightful without injecting overt judgment.
The way this show tried to include Din, Grogu and Luke reminds me a lot of how ‘Better Call Saul’ introduced an almost entirely separate plotline featuring the cartel side of the Breaking Bad world. This storyline barely crosses over with Saul’s much more low-key lawyer shenanigans (hell, the show runners even once described it as getting two shows for the price of one) but the two worlds are connected through strong thematic or narrative parallels (for instance: Saul and Mike’s moral degradation, or Hector Salamanca and Chuck McGill’s falls from grace etc).
However, I think Better Call Saul interweaves these two plot lines in a much more cohesive and satisfactory manner, as it intercuts between the two regularly rather than just benching one plotline for a whole episode (aside from the occasional episode like Five-O or Chicanery which absolutely warrant the extra focus). It helps a lot with the pacing as it keeps the plotlines in motion, and makes the thematic parallels a lot clearer between the two. It also helps that the cartel storyline evolves quite naturally in scale as Mike slowly goes from small time protection work, to falling in the crosshairs of drug kingpins like Fring and the Salamancas.
What I’m trying to say is that if Book of Boba Fett is going to stick with this more ensemble approach in future, they should probably limit it to Boba’s tribe on Tatooine and go from there. Might help organise the plotlines a bit better in the limited run of episodes that they have.
I still confused why people think Luke banned attachment because he knows how important attachments is that’s why he push Grogu to choose mando by saying a short time of yours is a life time of someone else’s
Luke Skywalker is the key to everything. Good leaders bring people together for a common cause.
Luke needs to return
I want Luke's own series. He can show up on the other shows, but his principal journey would be better explored.
Luke and Grogu's time together was one of the highlights of TBOBF for me and I have to admit having Grogu arrive in Mos Espa in chapter 7 was anticlimactic and I feel slightly robbed of the emotion felt during the S2 Finale of Mando. They should've definitely kept them apart for longer and built up a bigger and better reunion. Unless there's a clever post twist in S3....
I liked the show overall, but I do agree that the Din and Luke episodes should've been in Mando S3, hell, if Din just showed up or if there were two scenes of Fennec going to Pelli's workshop where she sees Din, then those episodes would've served as the perfect setup for whatever S3 will be, and Book of Boba Fett would've benefited from another episode to see Boba train with the Rancor, more time to develop the Mods, even one last flashback of the duel between young Boba (played by Daniel Logan) and Cad Bane.
I disagree with the idea that it was Luke's attachment that saved his father. You can't have attachment to a man you barely know, no matter what kind of family title he has in relation to you. It was Luke's compassion that saved his father. He knew what kind of person Darth Vader was, he saw the things that he could do and Luke still chose to be compassionate towards him.
I prefer Legends over Cannon in my humble opinion. I like the idea of being a tribe
I do think they should have saved the Luke/Grogu stuff for Mando S3 (or even a new series). It took 2 seasons of Mando trying to return Grogu to his people which was essentially accomplished with an emotional farewell, but then that's all undone/reset inside another character's show before Mando S3.
Boba could have and probably should have been the one to calm the Rancor down seeing as it's supposed to be bonded with him, that didn't need to be given to Grogu. Or better still, Boba uses Slave 1 to destroy the droids instead of riding the Rancor so soon with no time spent training it.
I just think Grogu could have easily sat this one out and then saved his reunion with Din for late into Mando S3 for a far bigger emotional payoff.
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Star Wars Explained i keep asking myself this question will grogu come back to train with luke because he need to complete his training i wont lie he is good but he need more training also will luke or ahsoak teach mando how to use the darksaber and in the season 2 of book of boba fett will luke help boba if he meets him again water under the bridge
I don’t think Din needed training as much as he needed purpose, the saber seemed far easier to use after Grogu was there and at risk.
@@Bas-TB also grogu still needs Jedi training if he's going to become powerful
@@gerardocovarrubias3058 I don’t know if he needs formal training. Anakin might have lived to be more powerful if he wasn’t constantly frustrated by Jedi training, Ashoka became more powerful after she left the order, Kanan managed to get knighted in a force vision, Ezra has more versatility in the force than Kanan Jedi teachings, Luke didn’t actually finish any his training under a living Jedi, Kylo doesn’t seem particularly well trained or disciplined, Ray just has some basics and some books.
Grogu is still very young and could very well figure things out himself without the Jedi aughts. He might never become as powerful a force user as Yoda once was, but Yoda didn’t have the perks of bring a Mandalorian.
@@Bas-TB what are you saying
@@gerardocovarrubias3058 Jedi training is overrated. The way the Jedi and Sith look at the force as being Light or dark is a self imposed limit. At least that is what I get from the Bendu in Rebels, combined with the other cases
"Jedi And Sith Wield The Ashla And The Bogan, The Light And The Dark. I'm The One In The Middle, The Bendu."
"Leave This Place. I Am The Light. I Am The Dark. I Am The Bendu."
I fully admit that it was odd seeing Luke and focusing on him so much in this show. As much as I liked the series and everything that happened with Luke, I can't deny its placement was a little weird but I did see the thematic elements they were going for. Boba is trying to rebuild himself and his tribe, Luke is trying to rebuild the Jedi. Both are trying to move forward in life in new roles. I loved everything with him and Grogu and I think its place in this series might make more sense when Mandalorian S3 comes around.
I have to confess though I have mixed feelings about Luke's stance on attachment in this episode. I get it but it really feels like a lesson he should have already learned given his experiences with Anakin, Leia, Han and so on so it's frustrating to see his character behave this way, even if I can understand why, he's trying to restore the Jedi as they were which is not inherently wrong.
I've made this comparison before but Luke giving Grogu that choice reminds me of the holocron from Jedi: Fallen Order. Cal destroys the holocron at the end of the game and people said it made the story pointless which is just not true if you look at the reasons for doing it. Cal tries to get the holocron because he believes at the time that it's the best thing to do: to find the children and train them but he comes to realize that maybe it isn't because he'd be making that choice for those kids so he destroys the holocron to ensure that they get to make their own choices. It's a very similar thing with Din, Grogu and Luke. Din spent the second season (not the first as I saw some people saying) trying to find a Jedi to train Grogu because he felt that was what was best for him, and maybe it was, at the time but it probably didn't feel like it expected it to for either of them and I think Luke comes to realize the same thing Cal did, it wasn't truly Grogu's choice so he gave him one and Grogu chose Din. None of that negates what happened in The Mandalorian, it's the next step in their relationship and Luke is the catalyst to make that happen. The fact that it happened "so soon" after the S2 finale means nothing because it's the next logical step regardless. I would even say I think Luke pushed Grogu more towards Din by pointing out that a short time for his species is a lifetime for someone else, so the time Grogu would spend with Din is precious. Luke probably had his own thoughts about what was right for Grogu after speaking with Ahsoka and laid it all out for him but leaving Grogu to make the final choice and I think he chose what Luke had in mind
I think Luke isn't against attachments in generell.
Grogu wasn't fokussed on his Training at all and was allways thinking about Din
Luke on the other hand had all his attachments but he was able to fokus on his Training with Yoda oder his Training alone
He balanced it out but Grogu wasn't able to really balance the way of the Jedi and his attachments
I think Luke is more important to BoBF in ways that you may not have yet realized. I also see far more parallels to Isaac Asimov’s “Foundation”, than Frank Herbert’s “Dune”.
To begin, let’s not lose sight of the fact that all of Star Wars is galactic history being recited to the audience as entries in something known as “The Journal of the Whills.”
The original Foundation trilogy was being recited to the reader as entries in a document known as “Encyclopedia Galactica.”
In Foundation, the fire blasters. Their spaceships use hyperdrives to travel through hyperspace. They even have beings with mental powers that can control the minds of other beings.
The titles of the saga films have always held double meanings, and BoBF seems to be following that tradition. On the surface, it seems to be a Boba Fett back story. As it has unfolded, it seems to be Boba Fett redefining himself to live a cleaner life, “by the book.”
So, why is Luke so important to this “Interlude” in “The Mandalorian” series? Because Luke is just beginning down that same path of redefining himself, as well as the Jedi Order. Luke has once again taken the first steps onto a bigger journey.
I liked your analysis. I had no problem with the overlapping of Din's and Boba's stories. I think the episode with Luke and Grogu was to set us up for Season 3. Although, I noticed that once Din was reunited with Gorgu, he could wield the Darksaber more effectively. So, maybe it was more Din's attachment to Grogu that was the problem for Grogu rather than Grogu's attachment to Din, if that makes sense. I'm not saying Grogu isn't attached to Din, but that their attachment was more of a problem for Din than it was for Grogu. When Luke presented Grogu with the two gifts, his reaction was that he thought he was just being given both and he was going to stay there. He didn't look upset or fearful until Luke presented him with the idea that he may never see Din again if he chose the lightsaber and stayed.
“Aaaahhh. General Consesus!”
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I’m concerned about future stories doing these “interludes” more and more. That instead of just telling solid stories each show requires every other show for it to make sense.
Clone Wars had long seasons (20+ episodes) so the whole bouncing around worked.
i feel like even 12 would work and have either ep 6 or 7 interlude to other events currently happening. i enjoyed the mando and luke ep but having them back to back hurt the series
While i do agree with everything you said about the tribes and choosing who you surround (or don't surround) yourself with. I think the show is also at its core about reinvention, about CHOOSING who you are, and what you are above people's expectations of you, and while this is clear in Boba, all the side characters also have that choice. Fennec goes from a lone assassin to Boba's second in command, the Mods and Krrsantan go from being alone working for people who don't care, who mistreat, and who discard them to choosing who they work for, to trusting others and working for a right cause. And chapters 5 and 6 are about those choices in Din and in Grogu, Chapter 5 we follow Din alone without his previous cause and path due to grogu leaving, he falls to his old life, and due to the life he chose through Grogu, his previous life is no longer fit, we see him struggle to find a new life, struggle to recognize and see the purpose of the Darksaber and his path to Mand'alor, while Grogu is back with him he is starting to re-invent and see this path. And in Chapter 6 we see Grogu struggling with the life he had with Din, and the expectation of his Jedi heritage, and his time with Luke is them realizing that, and giving him the choice of what life to go forward with.
While it is not so evident at times, every character goes through the path of choosing the life they live and reinventing themselves. Boba is the central one but everyone surrounding him has a similar experience thanks to the ripple effects of the Life Boba is building... I still think this could have been handled better given more time (and seeing it in their own shows), but I still recognize how all stories have that central theme of destiny and choice connecting them all to the main arc and main plot line.
You have to consider how long it took Din to rebuild the star fighter , im pretty sure it wasn't a couple of days
Right: Din resumes taking bounty jobs, tracks down the new Covert, takes a commercial transport to Tatooine, rebuilds an N1 Starfighter, and THEN tracks down Grogu. There’s a lot of fast-forwarding and shorthand going on, meaning that we don’t actually know how long anything takes.
Star Wars runs on dream time, not literal time.
I wonder if those suggesting Grogu made the wrong choice believe that Leía’s decision to stop training with Luke was the wrong choice?
As much as I loved the training I feel that that it should have been the opening of mandalorian season 3 and all the Tatooine stuff should of been put in other episodes
When it comes to Luke. I don't think it's that simple.
Luke had to stop his training and he was told his training would end if he went off to save his love ones. That's what I think happened here. He's a new Jedi trying to bring a new meaning to the force, it could even be possible that he's continuing his teaching with the kid through the force. Seeing as Luke is pretty good at reaching out to others through the force. He's a teacher doing his best, but hey I might be wrong about all of that. Who knows. We'll have to wait for season two of Boba or season three of Mando.
Where is the Lucas quote from?
Regardless of how Luke fit into Book of Boba, I still can't get over how good the CGI on his character looks. Unbelievable how far technology has come
IMO the best SW stories tie into the main saga.
You understand that Luke in tlj was meant to be wrong about everything so Rey could show him the right way.
I think this "show" was just a way to paper over some behind the scenes issues of what really was meant to be Mando S3.
Luke bailed on Yoda to help his friends after like a week, maybe a few days? Maybe Grogu got a vision like Luke did on Dagoba and had to go.
Wait, I didn't see Grogu using the force against Kara as a dark side thing. I saw it as someone protecting his protector. Same with the stormtroopers...maybe I am just too optimistic of a person when it comes to entertainment, but I have never seen Grogu as Dark. Just untrained and immature.
Force choke is generally seen as a “dark side ability”. I tend to take the philosophy of the Jedi Academy in the video games which was that abilities aren’t inherently good or bad, what matters more is your intent in using them. I agree with you. I just saw a baby who didn’t understand arm wrestling trying to protect his dad, but I do think it would be interesting for the show to explore the impact that being desensitized to violence has on him.
@@timellison847 well put good sir!
I think the reason why "Force choke" is seen as a Dark Side-coded skill is because it's a particularly cruel way of putting an opponent down. They struggle and suffer before dying or passing out, vs. being quickly and more mercifully killed by a well-placed lightsaber stroke, or being subdued by knocking them unconscious. (Which, well, dealing out a concussion is just as or more dangerous than asphyxiation, but I'm talking in terms of common fictional on-screen means of taking somebody out.) That said, it makes sense for a Force-strong kid to jump to doing something like Force choke because when kids are upset they're not going to automatically consider more thoughtful means of lashing out - Grogu would have been angry that Din was being "hurt" by a "big meanie" and feel the childish urge to retaliate in equally mean fashion. Now, funnily enough, with him having put the rancor to sleep, he could potentially use THAT method to deal with possible threats instead of resorting to something more violent.
@@threadsketch7267 Right, but this was about intent. To harm vs to protect. Sometimes protection for others comes at the expense of "harming" the person you are trying to protect FROM. For instance, it took violence on the part of the allies to free my people from death camps, do you think the allies were "the dark side" for killing those that would kill my people(the Jews)?
I suppose one of the reasons for the fall of Luke's academy is the lack of family for both him and Ben. Would Ben have been in a much better place mentally if he could have seen him mother and father more? Would Luke dealt with Ben's growing darkness better if he could have talked to Leia about it? I think that having support around Luke while he tried to rebuild the Jedi Order would have taken some of the pressure off him that he feels about being the mythical person "Luke Skywalker". So bringing it back to the video thesis, Luke and Ben didn't have their tribe and it cost them everything.
It was kinda hypocritical for Luke to make Grogu chose when he himself walked away from his training with Yoda to be with his friends but went back afterwards to complete it proving training isn’t purely black and white.
Grogu's choice get's so much better if you read the 20st issue of the main Star Wars comic run.
Spoiler:
In this comic Luke has some kind of a vision where Jedi Master Elzar Mann tells him that he isn't responsible for rebuilding the Jedi Order. He can, if he wants to, but he is not obliged to do it. He can choose to not be a Jedi.
Luke did chose to be a Jedi, but Grogo made another decision.
And the fact that The Book of Boba Fett Chapter 6 and this comic came out almost contemporary makes it so much better.
I really hope that Grogus choice was like Lukes choice when he went to Bespin. I would prefer Grogu to be part of the Jedi Arcs and not in the Season 3 of the Mandalorian. He could have his appearances of course. But Din should explore more of Mandalore, its history and him becoming the leader the dark saber makes him.
The thing about the side-story of Luke and Grogu needing to happen, as well as Din's journey though the Armourer and Peli, is that there was the payoff of seeing Grogu return to Din's life.
Also, if Din just randomly showed up, followed by Grogu, it wouldn't have made any sense without the context.
Maybe I missed it, but did someone say how long Mando and Grogu were separated? I feel like that amount of time was really left vague. Maybe in the next season of Mando we will see how long he was separated and what happened during that time.
He said that because of Grogu’s life span, by the time he would be fully trained, Din would likely be long gone.
Din is definitely feeling more confident with the darksaber as seen in the last episode of the book of boba fett. He’ll become a great ruler of mandalore I feel like!
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I feel they could have saved the Luke and Grogu stuff for Season 3 and just had Mando team up w Boba immediately for battle; then end with him off to find Grogu. But whatever. I'm not a writer for Star Wars
Maybe Grogu saw the demise of Luke's training temple in a dream and decided to take his chances with Din. Just being silly, but who knows.
It feels strange that Asokah is letting Luke create a new order. Especially when she saw first hand the failings of the Jedi order with her former master and his father, Anakin.
Do like seeing Luke in the episode.
This is why if I were to live in the GFFA and be force sensitive, I would not be a Jedi.
The way took this divergence is the same as you do when it happens in an actual book. It is either a pace change to tell a different part of a story or setup of the two story lines to cross in the future. I would suspect the latter in this and those who have been decrying it so loudly to be shown just how asinine it is to be such babies.
I'm OK with Grogu's decision. I'm not OK with Luke presenting him that ultimatum, feels totally out of character. And I definitely feel like that whole arch could have been shown in a Luke show, or mando Season *4*, o something like that. Having Din and Grogu reunited between seasons really undermines the S2 finale. Grogu shouldn't have been in the Boba show at all, feels like a forced executive decision.
I did not see it as an ultimatum. He gave Grogu a choice. How else should he have done it?
When Boba Fett showed up in the Mandalorian, they explained how and why he and Fennec got there in two sentences, and then covered the whole story in the Book of Boba Fett. They could do the same when Din and Grogu showed up to help Boba Fett, and leave these two episodes for a more relevant show.
The Book of Boba Fett had only 7 episodes. Wasting two on hardly relevant arcs...? They could use this screen time to show more of the conflict on Tatooine and develop the characters of the mods - I don't even remember their names or how two of them looked.
Luke Skywalker has murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people if not a million when he blew up the Death Star, and Favreau keeps shoehorning the murderous little psychopath into his shows! with the death of Ben Solo the Galaxy is finally at peace now that the 50 plus year Skywalker Galactic Rampage is over
Agreed. Once you start down the dark path, forever it will dominate your destiny. Forever... and ever...
me and my friends joke that not only did he pick the mando armor and put it on but he also put on his plot armor…… he won’t die now (maybe)
Can you put chapters in so I can skip the Boba not in Book of Boba whining.
If Luke becomes Jake...he is not important at all
Chapter 6 feels even more forced with your remarks. The interaction between Luke, Grogu and Ashoka should have taken place in Season 3 of Mandolorian. Grogu should have stayed away from Din for at least 6 months. Right now it feels Grogu gave in to his 'homesickness'. To be a partner to Din rather than a liability, Grogu should have trained more. Din also needed fuether separation to decide bounty hunting was no longer his calling. If Grogu returned in Chapter 7 of Mandolorian, imagine what a team they would present
So wait.....Luke Skywalker is an important character?!!!...would never have thought that
I don’t want to sound like a downer or someone who’s nitpicky but Luke’s characterisation and attitude on attachment ignores everything he goes through in ROTJ. He is the one character in Star Wars who should see that attachment is important?
The are 3 ways to make sense of this: A) That same attachment is also what nearly turned him to the dark side, and he doesn't want to take that risk again B) He is starting to become hypocritical like the Jedi before him C) I guess he's afraid of Grogu becoming overprotective of Din like Anakin was with Padme, as can be seen when he chocked Cara Dune during the arm wrestle, and Luke allowing attachments for himself is the result of hubris (as mentioned in The Last Jedi)
@@knowledgeanddefense1054 The whole point of Luke’s story in the OT is attachment, as a parallel to Anakin’s in the Prequels. Luke’s attachment to Vader is what saves them both. He’s literally the parallel to Anakin in ROTS, he has attachment but when he sees how it can consume he finds the balance between possessiveness and love?
@@emperorholocron8278 Their attachments save them but it also what ends up almost dooming both of them. Right now, Luke doesn't see Grogu as in need of saving, so maybe he doesn't want to take a risk pointlessly.
The chosen one found balance after many decades of awful mistakes that resulted in the deaths of countless. Grogu is just a baby. I can see Luke not liking those odds.
@@knowledgeanddefense1054 to me Luke gave Grogu the choice he gave not because he is afraid at all of his possible atachments, at least at this point in the timeline, i hadnt even thout about it until i saw this vidio and comments, the way i interprete all of that scene is Luke scenses grogus connection to the Mandalorian and doesnt want to force him to follow life has a jedi if that is not what he wants, felling that he might prefer to grow by the side of mando, wich, to me, would also make scense, since Luke grew while his father figure, uncle owen was forcing him to follow the life he wanted for him, refusing Luke the right to choose for himsel his faith, so, to me this is my interpretation, it has nothing to do with fear of atachments, and if it has it is a small concern for Luke at the point in the story, and Luke isnt out of character at all.
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The whole point of Luke looking at his cybernetic hand is that he realises this is happening and he is becoming Vader. The whole “if you are attached to anyone in anyway get out and never come back stuff” is something he should’ve learned from ages ago
Personally din and grogu reuniting at the end of the book of boba fett kind of contradicts what happens at the end of the mandalorian season 2. I mean I get why it was done but the whole point of the first 2 seasons was about mando trying to reunite grogu with the Jedi. So where the show go from here? Just to sell more toys?
All of this shows have a common vision and an objective they are building thourds, nothing is being done by chance, plus the season two arc of getting grogu to his kind ended when he came to Luke, but the story defenetely didnt, new objectives for the characters are in store, wich the seeds have already been planted, for exemple, Din possibly becoming the Mandalor, the series, and this group of series was never just about Dins objective to return Grogu to his species, plus what he went through with Luke was acctually important since it helped develop his character, and also planted seeds for further development.
@@duartebraganca7785 very true! But I just kind of wish grogu coming back to mando was handled in a different way. Even though I like what we ultimately got I can’t help to feel I would’ve handled things differently.
@@BrennySpain i think i understand what you are saying, but i think it will still be touched upon in greater detail in season 3, like the return from the dead of boba in season 2 where we got a very small explanation, and then we really dived in to it on book of boba
@@duartebraganca7785 yes very true but at least with boba fett I kind of has a feeling they’d do a spin-off show about him given you can’t just bring a character back from the dead like that and not explain how he got there. I kind of guessed that there was going to be a spin-off show before the season 2 finale. Like I didn’t predict it but I’m glad Jon Favreau got his way with waiting to announce the show right after it ended and not at the big Disney investors day the week before. Very smart strategy!
Poor bachelor Luke. I think he preferred the "Lore" canon, too.
Luke is probably lonely himself.
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I don't think the Luke we see in Book of Boba Fett does justice to the Luke we see at the end of ROTJ, at least for now. He still demonizes attachment and makes Grogu choose between family or being a Jedi, a choice that the first six movies made us see was a wrong thing to force on someone. A choice that Luke refused and enabled him to redeem an irredeemable person, his father, through attachement and love. We always thought that Luke´s new Jedi order would repair the mistakes of the old Jedi Order, since he was the one to refuse the advice of their old masters who thought that killing Vader was the only solution, but maybe that will be impossible now that TLJ Luke exists in canon. But I may be wrong in the long run, so I´ll keep watching for sure.
I would support any plot that will contradict/ challenge the sequels so that new cannon is established
Legends IS better than current canon. Canon can rise to that level but it started in a hole.
He's only important because idiots would rather have nostalgia from starwars than going somewhere new
The series would be better without him and grogu tbh
The Mandalorian fans who didn’t watch the BoBF are going to be confused.
Is he?
Just imagine deep fake OT characters in an Heir to the Empire or Dark Empire Disney+ adaptation...
Or, you know, just animate it like TCW...
That would be horrible
I guess it might be better to adept the story so Ashoka and/or Ezra are/is the main Jedi(s) of that tale, Rebels seem to have setup them up against Thrawn.
I wished we would have had that sequel trilogy back in the 90’s.
@@Bas-TB what people like about those stories is that it's the OT; if youre giving their story to other Jedi, just write something new. It way too half a measure
@@mistersparkles1842 I agree, as in my head I had mostly just a post EP6 Thrawn vs Jedi story. Than some copy past of the old story to base it on Ashoka, Ezra, Sabine, Hera & Chopper.
Fennic shand literally did all the talking for boba fett in chapter 6. Let the memes roll in! Lol
That's the problem with strong silent types.
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You might not say it but I will, Legends IS better than Canon. You can tell because when Canon copies it that content becomes the best of new Canon.
You might say it was so artistically done. 😉
Luke is too important a character to be training Jedi while overlooking the Uncanny Valley. Either don’t use him or recast. This real-life action figure version is more of a disservice to the character and his story than anything Rian Johnson could have even imagined.
I like Grogu's choice. I would hate to be a Jedi. They're extremists
I hope the Sequel trilogy is in a parellel universe to the universe we saw in the Book of Boba fett. That would allow for Luke's Jedi academy to maybe be successful and for Lukes story to take a more Legends route. I think the divergent timeline came when Ezra pulled Ashoka into the world between worlds. In the Sequel trilogy timeline..Ashoka is dead. But in the Book of Boba Fett and hopefully beyond shes alive. I think thats the only way to save Star Wars going forward
i wonder if luke even care about tatooine
Sequel retcon on the horizon
Luke should not be in this show. He's only in it for a 15 min cameo which has nothing to do with the story