As soon as the lightsaber popped up, I instantly wondered about the same thing. It’s fun to connect so much Star Wars content from a single object in an episode
Couldn't he have two of them? Like Palpatine. Fun fact! The only reason Palps is seen dual wielding in the Clone Wars is to explain how he has his lightsaber back to fight Yoda in ROTS, even though he lost it fighting Windu
Even though his lightsaber was literally stuck in a sculpture for decades. These seem to be spare lightsabers, as neither of them have the same finish as his primary weapon.
Obi-Wan’s second lightsaber was similar in design to his first one, which he lost in his first encounter with Darth Maul. He lost his replacement in the battle of geonosis, hence the reason for a third one. By all means Yoda could have constructed a second one similar in design to aid in his survival in the wilderness of Dagobah.
Let me push up my glasses and correctly there 😅. Obi wans lightsaber was taken from him when count dooku imprisoned him on geonosis. The sabers he and anakin used in the arena scenes was what’s called a “clan” saber that was thrown to him when the Jedi arrived and freed them
I'm just taking this as canonisation of what Matt Martin from Lucasfilm suggested a while back; that Yoda simply owned multiple lightsabers in his life. That was my almost immediate thought, even though I was aware it was destroyed in the Vader comic. Hell, that moment in the comic made me emotional but it's also not impossible that Yoda built another during his time on Dagobah. That's pretty easy to assume, he had the time on his hands. I like how the "funnel" is all to do with Yoda that's a nice touch lol and the specific mention of "his *treasured* lightsaber", way to bury the lead there, Alex😂 Something else to add, another comic has him hunting animals for food on the planet and in his head, he's saying that he will not use a lightsaber for this purpose as it would dishonour the weapon, instead he uses a bow and arrow he keeps in a pouch but that implies that he has a lightsaber that he could use. He just chooses not to and there's nothing about Yoda's character arc that says he couldn't just have a lightsaber lying around in the hut. Honestly this was one of the easiest "contradictions" to recouncile when it happened. Nowhere does it say that the lightsaber presented to Grogu is the one used to fight Count Dooku or Darth Sidious in the prequels. As cool as it would be for it to be the same one, the point is Luke is offering A lightsaber that belonged to Yoda to Grogu, that's the significant character point for the story and what we should be focused on.
I don't really like the idea of Yoda having multiple lightsabers, as a lightsaber is a jedi's most precious (and one of the only) possession, he doesn't just create lightsabers because he wants to. He has a lightsaber and will continue to use it until he can't. This suggestion that he made multiple lightsabers also makes me uncomfortable because it feels similar to Palpatine having multiple lightsabers just hanging around (don't remember where I read that) and he has multiple sabers, and we know that Palpatine doesn't really respect the lightsaber and thinks of it as an unnecessary weapon in comparison to the force.
@@eladpress1440 There is NOTHING in canon to suggest that a Jedi only ever owned just one Light Saber. In fact, it explains how they get a new one by the next mission. It's not like you can get one at the nearest cutlery shop. Although, you might be able to get a cheap knockoff like with swords IRL... Maybe that's where younglings get their practice sabers before their field trip to Illam.
Really great elaboration on a fundamental struggle we often have as a fandom. Star Wars (perhaps thanks to its stress on "canon" vs. "legends") has constantly tested our sort of biases towards mutual exclusivity and difficulty in holding conflicting concepts together, and it severely limits our ability to accept some of the most important character developments of the show. Can Mas Amedda have burned Yoda's lightsaber in the comics? Yes. Can Luke also have Yoda's lightsaber two decades later? Yes. Boba Fett is himself another great example that I see some folks (though not most around me) struggling with. Can he be the badass perceived from the OT and in Clone Wars and comics? Yes. Can he also be seeking new meaning and identity and wanting to shed old roles years later after surviving the sarlacc pit? Absolutely. Ditto Luke in the sequel trilogy with all that he's gone through (the journey of whom I'm very excited we'll now get to see).
That could still happen yet. It’s not going to happen, but would love force ghost Anakin to show up to tell Luke how Jedi’s avoiding attachment is bad.
@@7oy It's not bad, just dangerous. Just as dangerous as having the attachments that they forbade. "Uh... Luke... How did you save me again?" Obiwan Macgregor appears just to chuckle. "Daaaad. I'm trying to teach here." Kenobi doubles over laughing and fades away. "What, you going to Tashi Station for some power converters?" Anakin fades away as Luke facepalms.
I absolutely love how you explain this stuff, so many "fans" get so wound up for no reason, as you say, the story comes first! you're absolutely spot on with the trivial nature of canon and how it's flexible and has to change to fit the better purpose, story! Carry on the great work, love this channel.
First time I saw this I was thinking of Luke probably found Yoda's saber since Yoda likely never got it back after his fight with Palpatine. Not only did it not occur to me that Yoda may have actually built another but I actually was unaware of what happened in the comics. At any rate I can add this to the ever-growing list of Prequel Trilogy redemptions or acknowledgement that these shows are doing. Seriously love how Mando and Book have used all these PT elements and did something good with them, given the zealotry some have in insisting the PT doesn't exist. Yoda's saber being brought back in particular is great as I've seen some people see the idea of Yoda using a saber as inconsistent, hypocritical or retconning.
As eye-rolling as the ‘everyone was related” elements of the Prequels can be, I love how they inform Owen’s reaction to coming across (far as he knows) a droid LIKE Threepio in ANH. He’s like “let me guess what you’re all about.” It always makes me chuckle now, in light of how many times he must have listened to Threepio prattle on about his primary function and how beneath him farm work was over the years before Anakin showed up.
Man, this is such a good explanation of changing lore details like this, good work. My take on the lightsaber is that Palpatine faked the destruction of the lightsabers, since he wasn’t wanting to waste the crystals, but still put on a show for the public. But then he made sure to keep Yoda’s as a trophy. After the Emperors death, Luke went looking for old Jedi artifacts in the Emperor’s chambers, aka the old Jedi temple, and found the saber. I didn’t know the bit about the reference book, but I’m not at that level of the funnel!
Just popped in to see if this channel still existed. Haven't seen any content for almost 4 years so it's interesting to see that people still watch this
Also, I wouldn't put it past the Empire to have not destroyed those lightsabers, given their interest in kyber crystal-based weaponry. Each lightsaber is probably valuable for research and experimentation. Also, I wouldn't put it past Luke to maybe build a new lightsaber to Yoda's design and say that it was Yoda's . . . from a certain point of view.
That is a good point. Maybe the furnace was just a trick and all the lightsabers were later gathered somewhere else for processing. But it makes sense that Yoda owned more sabers. I don't think Luke would be able to retrieve the one he lost on Coruscant Edit: grammar
@@funguy873 I forgot the comic showed it being destroyed and my head canon was: well, it's been a while since the Rebels won, I imagine Luke to the Imperial Palace, formerly called the Jedi Temple, and somewhere Sidious has Yoda's saber as a war trophy somewhere. Hell, I imagine Sidious was so vain that he had a plaque that said who's saber it was. That's all my head canon though.
So one thing that I think is totally overlooked about the lightsaber situation is there’s a shot in ROTS where we see the lightsaber on Yoda’s belt after his duel with Palpatine. It’s when he jumps down and is riding in the speeder with Bail. It’s clearly on his belt, for years I felt crazy because it was like I’m the only one who could see this but I kind of feel validated by Luke now having it.
Alex! Great point! These stories can work on so many levels and it’s true that Star Wars is a living breathing forever growing entity. Thanks for always sharing the FACTS. So many Star Wars UA-camrs don’t do the research and this channel does. One of many reasons that makes this the best Star Wars channels on the internet. Keep up the good work guys.
Here's my retcon pitch: Sidious had a replica of Yoda's Lightsaber made for Mas Amedda to torch infront of the new Empire in order to prove a point. Sidious of course kept Yoda's real Lightsaber as a trophy; a symbol of the Sith's triumph over the Jedi Order. He kept the Lightsaber either in his palace (the former Jedi Temple) or in one of his numerous vaults/storehouses he had scattered throughout the Galaxy. After the events of Episode VI, Luke traveled across the Galaxy trying to learn as much as he could about the Force and the Jedi. I have no doubt he probably visited the old Jedi Temple on Coruscant as well Palpatine's vaults/storehouses. There, he discovered Yoda's Lightsaber and liberated it to honor his old master.
That picture of Mass Amedda destroying Yoda's lightsaber is interesting. If you look closely at it, it looks like there is a big round pommel on that lightsaber... which Yoda's does not have.
I personally think this is the best idea. Makes sense with Palpatine's character for him to appear to have destroyed all these lightsabers, symbolically laying the idea of the Jedi to rest, but has instead stored them away in his vaults. Like you say, also fits with what we know Luke was up to following ROTJ.
My guess is that Yoda had two lightsabers, one that he used in combat and one he kept around in a vault, perhaps for training. It would make sense that he would have that, considering he trained Jedi for 800 years. It's like Darth Sidious's two lightsabers. He lost the first one against Mace Windu and used his second one against Yoda.
What if Luke has been consulting with Yoda (force ghost) all these years, and Yoda told Luke about his lightsaber? I appreciate someone finally doing an "open your mind" video vs criticism of everything.
It could not be stated better. This is the way long term creations evolve. It's fiction, fiction evolves. It's not actual history, which should not change. Awesome video bro!
Yoda wasn't always the Grand Master of the Jedi. Perhaps when he was younger he was out on a mission and the lightsabre he had with him at the time was taken from him or lost? "Know you what a Jedi as old as Yoda can make, in so many years?" "Master?" "Many MISTAKES!" From the book Yoda; Dark Rendezvous. A pretty good read all in all. Another Legends source says that he gifted the Purge Survivor, Qu Rahn, with a gold-bladed lightsabre that was later taken from him after Return of the Jedi and given to the Dark Jedi Pic. However, no mention is made of Yoda having a lightsabre after Revenge of the Sith apart from this, although I may have missed something, and the EU sure had a lot of stuff going on. The way you respectfully put everything out there, very well done.
2:57 - Can confirm; haven't watched the comics, but had NO idea Yoda's lightsaber was even still around. Reckoned he left it behind on Coruscant, but I imagined he had every opportunity to build a new one while he was on Dagobah. Also, Jedi being creatures of habit, a subsequent build looking similar/identical isn't that big of a shocker to me.
What amazes me is how simple of an exclamation That was and yet it's effective fans act like a little continuity issues the end of the world but with a little bit of thinking it's really easy to sort through thank you Star Wars explained
I was under the impression that most Jedi, when they reach the rank of Master, made a new lightsaber to reflect their growth as a Jedi. I believe that is when Dooku adopted his curved hilt lightsaber. If this true, then Yoda likely did this as well. Moreover, Yoda , in spite of his vast knowledge, was a very “remember your basics” type Jedi. Yoda’s second lightsaber would therefore would, outwardly, be very similar to his first.
Because the story group is getting paid millions to have these stories consistent. If there is no consistency wouldn't they be getting paid to do nothing?
My first headcanon thought was the destroyed one was a fake; Palpatine wanted a "token" of his defeat (we know very well he was a collector), but also wanted to publicly show Yoda had been defeated, so he had a swap done; I doubt anyone had Yoda's lightsaber memorized enough to recognize it held in a hand on stage. We see Luke raiding Palpatine's vaults in BF2, maybe he came across it in one of those.
Honestly this mentality is how I still justify Star Wars the old republic within the storyline and it’s events because I love what we have now but that was my favorite era still is and I think it can fit perfectly with just the slightest bit of tweaking. Thank you for your take on this and just your amazing work within the community.
Great video, Alex! I like your approach to this so-called “discrepancy”. It makes perfect sense to me that he would build another one, because I can't imagine that Yoda would go for 23 years without a lightsaber.
I figured Yogurt built this saber when training Luke. He had rejected the idea of rebuilding it, but that would have changed when Luke appeared, right around the time Ben met Luke on Hoth and told him to go to Dagobah.
Loved this. I honestly do the same thing, trying to rationalize out the discrepancies in order to achieve some kind of "perfect head canon" within one continuity. It's fun. Also, the thumbnails recently have been outstanding!
This very question came up when that reference book came out a few years ago and someone from the story group straight up said he just owned more than one.
Perhabs when Yoda said that he no longer had his lightsaber with him... he means ON him, he got it stored in his house in Dagobah (a replacement probably, Jedis always losed his lightsabers and had to made replacementsfrom time to time).
It’s also worth pointing out we see in revenge of the sith that yoda clearly doesn’t have his lightsaber when bail organa saves him so it’s not just the comic it contradicts but it’s easily fixed or ignored so it’s not a big deal haha
The one Mas Amedda destroyed could have just been some random youngling lightsaber. Or if it was Yoda's, it could be one of his backups that they found somewhere.
Mace Windu did actually had a another spare saber that he used to use which was also purple but before he replaced it with a lightsaber that he constructed with different material after he was appointed to the High Council.
there was also a reference of Yoda using a bow to hunt but wanting to use his light saber which he had but refused himself as he believed he didn't have the right anymore
IIRC, the comic with Mas Amedda burning the saber doesn't even mention that it was Yoda's, nor is the blade turned on to show its color. It look's like Yoda's hilt and so that was the assumption, but SW hilts don't seem to be as unique as people think (especially during the war). For instance, Pablo-Jill's hilt is clearly the same brand of design as Darth Maul's, while General Grevious is shown in the movies ("top-canon") to be running around with straight up clones of the same hilt designs that Obi-Wan and Anakin use for their sabers.
I *love* that Star Wars gives us room to speculate and play with ideas like these. It's one of the only media franchises that brings out that childlike sense of wonder in so many millions of people, so I think it's a real blessing when some things are kept a little in the dark, and we're left with only some puzzle pieces and our imaginations to figure it out. Like you said in the video, I'm really upset by the people who call it bad storytelling or contradictory of canon when something isn't explained in full immediately, one such example being Palpatine's return from the dead. We're given plenty of hints and clues and insinuations, without a cut-and-dry explanation, but I don't think that's a bad thing at all, as long as it's not detrimental to the story. I think it's really magical when we're given the opportunity to wonder and imagine about things like this.
Id like to think Charles Soule might have a chance to retcon/fix/justify it himself in the mainline 2020 comic even some one off line about Luke finding out the Palpatine staged having it destroyed but kept his little green friends saber in a secret collection all along. Or have it be a whole arc of his run just further connecting his own material.
If you look at the Yoda lightsaber that's Canon, and the Yoda lightsaber that he presents to grogu they're not the same. They have a very similar structure but the details are different so it's very possible that in exile he made another but never used it as there was no need. It was an out of sight out of mind kinda thing. Or he made one but had no kyber Crystal for is so technically he didn't have a lightsaber but just a shell of one.
Whether it was a mess up like Anakin having two fleshy arms on Mustafar, When Yoda is rescued after the senate fight he jumps into Bails speeder with his lightsaber on his belt.
I like to think that Sideous had a replica made for Mas Amedda to burn to send a message, but secretly kept the real one as a trophy. I like your take too though!
THIS IS WHY I LOVE THIS CHANNEL! This point of view, positive, inquisitive, thoughtful, open minded and imaginative about solutions to connect the discrepancies that appear in canon instead of tearing it all down in a fit of rage like those that cannot accept change.
Personally I hate headcanons. People make a new canon that is wrong to what actually happened. Often they think is the real one, and they often argue with people who know the real one. Not all people do though. But either way, it's not the real story, it's whatever they want to happen when they aren't in control. You can't ever take them seriously.
This is exactly the point of probably my favorite subreddit asksciencefiction . People ask questions about a science fiction universe/canon and answers are all in-universe. The most important rule is that you can't just say "oh well the writers were dumb". Sometimes there are actual canon answers that people provide, but sometimes an answer is a non-canon justification for something that can fit the canon. Highly recommend that subreddit.
To suggest Yoda may have built another sabre isn't even that much of a stretch, it's exactly what I'd assumed minuted after that scene in BOBF. Anyways, great vid! Keep 'em up
Not only from the comics but we don't see Yoda retrieve his lightsaber after dueling Sidious. But from a visual standpoint it's not that hard to believe that Yoda reconstructed a lightsaber and then in that reconstruction decided that he should not have to use it. Knowing Luke has it in his possession just shows how much Luke was willing to go back to Dagobah at some point to get the lightsaber. Which I think is very tender.
If anyone is really confused/hurt comic-fans you can always say Jocosta force pulled it really fast right as it was tossed on the furnace. In the comics she had a nice hidden stash of Jedi stuff she kept as records.
I love coming up with my own theories to stories. Throwing the lightsabers into a fire wouldn't make much sense other than as a show for the crowd. The empire were seeking out kyber crystals for the death star so it would make sense to harvest the parts. Palatine could have kept yodas as a trophy. When Palatine was killed the lightsaber could have been found by luke back in the old jedi temple on coruasant
I also think Grogu's choice gains an extra layer of significance, given that it's not only about the path of the jedi vs the way of the mandalorian, it's also between carrying on a legacy vs building his own.
Here's a thought -- Dave and Jon aren't worried about the the comic books, novels, or other books. The movies and shows are canon to me. But the rest of the stuff is just alt-universe stuff. I think Dave and Jon know about the other stuff, which is why those elements are brought into the new Star Wars. But I think in their minds, all of the other materials aren't canon (or maybe, they are canon until the movies/shows say otherwise).
If the final episode of BoBF says it’s the lightsaber Yoda used in the prequels, then we can also assume Sidious had a replica of Yoda’s lightsaber built to put fear into the galaxy
I can picture Luke giving Lil' G the second gift regardless of which one Gogurt chooses. If he takes the obvious choice of leaving by choosing the mail, Luke will give him the Light Saber for additional protection and for when he returns to his training after Din passes - either from old age or his profession. If he takes the Saber, Luke gives him the mail and joins him on his first mission as a Padawan; helping Din, Bobba, and Cab free Tatooine from the Pikes.
I like to think once Yoda decided to train Luke, he built a new lightsaber in preparation. Or even better, he built the new lightsaber while training Luke, to demonstrate to Luke how a Jedi constructs their weapon.
I'm sure we love watching u connect the dots and make a head canon as much as u like building one, so thanks! I like the idea that he just had multiple sabers and took another from the temple when he and Obi-Wan went to investigate. The idea he built another later when he didnt need it nor had access to materials or a crystal (dont like the idea of Dagobah having crystals when it was a darkside planet) is much less appealing.
Easy explanation is to just treat it like the Vader comics are also in Legends continuity. Just like the comic which explained how Kanan survived Order 66 which itself was retconned in Bad Batch, or the Ahsoka Novel whose depiction of the siege of Mandalore was retconned in Clone Wars. Anything that is animated or live action is the gold standard for canon. Eveything else is really just 'official' fanfic.
i 100% agree with you and your inverted pyramid. i stops at games and even then not all of them. for what i know, the last time i saw joda's saber is when he loses it against the emperor
You are definitely right about the live action movies/series then animated series in your chart. However the order of the comics, books, and other reference materials changes level depending on storytelling purposes. Lego specials or series are canon adjacent. Finn needs some sort of Jedi training. If the only place he gets that is a Lego special, it still happened. Although I would prefer a Forces of Destiny episode or something to that effect.
I think the simplest answer is that Yoda built a new one after Obi-Wan died in preparation of training Luke. He didn't need one before that because he was in solitude. We never *see* Yoda using a lightsaber while training Luke, but he must have because Luke was (at least somewhat) able to hold his own against Vader.
Ive seen thousands of people ask who "the blue guy at the end of the newest episode is". Alex is right, a majority of the people who watch the shows have only seen the movies and thats ok.
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As soon as the lightsaber popped up, I instantly wondered about the same thing. It’s fun to connect so much Star Wars content from a single object in an episode
Couldn't he have two of them? Like Palpatine.
Fun fact! The only reason Palps is seen dual wielding in the Clone Wars is to explain how he has his lightsaber back to fight Yoda in ROTS, even though he lost it fighting Windu
Even though his lightsaber was literally stuck in a sculpture for decades. These seem to be spare lightsabers, as neither of them have the same finish as his primary weapon.
@@Daniel_Huffman I recall in one canon book they said he keeps quite a few spares, which is smart imo
Obi-Wan’s second lightsaber was similar in design to his first one, which he lost in his first encounter with Darth Maul. He lost his replacement in the battle of geonosis, hence the reason for a third one. By all means Yoda could have constructed a second one similar in design to aid in his survival in the wilderness of Dagobah.
In the canon special comic " Trails of Dagobah" he does have another one, but he actually vows not to use it because he doesn't feel he deserves to.
Let me push up my glasses and correctly there 😅. Obi wans lightsaber was taken from him when count dooku imprisoned him on geonosis. The sabers he and anakin used in the arena scenes was what’s called a “clan” saber that was thrown to him when the Jedi arrived and freed them
@@justintmars you right, but he still lost it in Geonosis, so half credit??
@@blakereed1654 half credit indeed my friend!
It’s all semantic!
I just happen to love that hilt design as a saber builder.
It’s called an “area hilt”
@@justintmars Why is it considered an area hilt?
I'm just taking this as canonisation of what Matt Martin from Lucasfilm suggested a while back; that Yoda simply owned multiple lightsabers in his life. That was my almost immediate thought, even though I was aware it was destroyed in the Vader comic. Hell, that moment in the comic made me emotional but it's also not impossible that Yoda built another during his time on Dagobah. That's pretty easy to assume, he had the time on his hands. I like how the "funnel" is all to do with Yoda that's a nice touch lol and the specific mention of "his *treasured* lightsaber", way to bury the lead there, Alex😂
Something else to add, another comic has him hunting animals for food on the planet and in his head, he's saying that he will not use a lightsaber for this purpose as it would dishonour the weapon, instead he uses a bow and arrow he keeps in a pouch but that implies that he has a lightsaber that he could use. He just chooses not to and there's nothing about Yoda's character arc that says he couldn't just have a lightsaber lying around in the hut. Honestly this was one of the easiest "contradictions" to recouncile when it happened. Nowhere does it say that the lightsaber presented to Grogu is the one used to fight Count Dooku or Darth Sidious in the prequels. As cool as it would be for it to be the same one, the point is Luke is offering A lightsaber that belonged to Yoda to Grogu, that's the significant character point for the story and what we should be focused on.
I don't really like the idea of Yoda having multiple lightsabers, as a lightsaber is a jedi's most precious (and one of the only) possession, he doesn't just create lightsabers because he wants to. He has a lightsaber and will continue to use it until he can't. This suggestion that he made multiple lightsabers also makes me uncomfortable because it feels similar to Palpatine having multiple lightsabers just hanging around (don't remember where I read that) and he has multiple sabers, and we know that Palpatine doesn't really respect the lightsaber and thinks of it as an unnecessary weapon in comparison to the force.
@@eladpress1440 There is NOTHING in canon to suggest that a Jedi only ever owned just one Light Saber. In fact, it explains how they get a new one by the next mission. It's not like you can get one at the nearest cutlery shop.
Although, you might be able to get a cheap knockoff like with swords IRL... Maybe that's where younglings get their practice sabers before their field trip to Illam.
Really great elaboration on a fundamental struggle we often have as a fandom. Star Wars (perhaps thanks to its stress on "canon" vs. "legends") has constantly tested our sort of biases towards mutual exclusivity and difficulty in holding conflicting concepts together, and it severely limits our ability to accept some of the most important character developments of the show. Can Mas Amedda have burned Yoda's lightsaber in the comics? Yes. Can Luke also have Yoda's lightsaber two decades later? Yes.
Boba Fett is himself another great example that I see some folks (though not most around me) struggling with. Can he be the badass perceived from the OT and in Clone Wars and comics? Yes. Can he also be seeking new meaning and identity and wanting to shed old roles years later after surviving the sarlacc pit? Absolutely. Ditto Luke in the sequel trilogy with all that he's gone through (the journey of whom I'm very excited we'll now get to see).
I was hoping Grogu would get the armor _and_ the lightsaber so that we could have another Mandalorian Jedi.
That could still happen yet. It’s not going to happen, but would love force ghost Anakin to show up to tell Luke how Jedi’s avoiding attachment is bad.
@@7oy It's not bad, just dangerous. Just as dangerous as having the attachments that they forbade.
"Uh... Luke... How did you save me again?" Obiwan Macgregor appears just to chuckle.
"Daaaad. I'm trying to teach here." Kenobi doubles over laughing and fades away.
"What, you going to Tashi Station for some power converters?" Anakin fades away as Luke facepalms.
Grogu with the Darksaber
@@randomplaces597 Grogu, with the Darksaber, in the Library.
Give it time...
I absolutely love how you explain this stuff, so many "fans" get so wound up for no reason, as you say, the story comes first! you're absolutely spot on with the trivial nature of canon and how it's flexible and has to change to fit the better purpose, story! Carry on the great work, love this channel.
First time I saw this I was thinking of Luke probably found Yoda's saber since Yoda likely never got it back after his fight with Palpatine. Not only did it not occur to me that Yoda may have actually built another but I actually was unaware of what happened in the comics.
At any rate I can add this to the ever-growing list of Prequel Trilogy redemptions or acknowledgement that these shows are doing. Seriously love how Mando and Book have used all these PT elements and did something good with them, given the zealotry some have in insisting the PT doesn't exist. Yoda's saber being brought back in particular is great as I've seen some people see the idea of Yoda using a saber as inconsistent, hypocritical or retconning.
As eye-rolling as the ‘everyone was related” elements of the Prequels can be, I love how they inform Owen’s reaction to coming across (far as he knows) a droid LIKE Threepio in ANH. He’s like “let me guess what you’re all about.” It always makes me chuckle now, in light of how many times he must have listened to Threepio prattle on about his primary function and how beneath him farm work was over the years before Anakin showed up.
I love the level headed take (and great explanation). Keep it up. This is the type of content that the Star Wars fandom needs.
Man, this is such a good explanation of changing lore details like this, good work.
My take on the lightsaber is that Palpatine faked the destruction of the lightsabers, since he wasn’t wanting to waste the crystals, but still put on a show for the public. But then he made sure to keep Yoda’s as a trophy. After the Emperors death, Luke went looking for old Jedi artifacts in the Emperor’s chambers, aka the old Jedi temple, and found the saber. I didn’t know the bit about the reference book, but I’m not at that level of the funnel!
Just popped in to see if this channel still existed. Haven't seen any content for almost 4 years so it's interesting to see that people still watch this
Alex is my kind of fan! Keep being yourself, man. The fandom needs more peopke like you.
Also, I wouldn't put it past the Empire to have not destroyed those lightsabers, given their interest in kyber crystal-based weaponry. Each lightsaber is probably valuable for research and experimentation. Also, I wouldn't put it past Luke to maybe build a new lightsaber to Yoda's design and say that it was Yoda's . . . from a certain point of view.
That is a good point. Maybe the furnace was just a trick and all the lightsabers were later gathered somewhere else for processing.
But it makes sense that Yoda owned more sabers. I don't think Luke would be able to retrieve the one he lost on Coruscant
Edit: grammar
You seem to have an exceptionally low opinion of Luke
@@funguy873 I forgot the comic showed it being destroyed and my head canon was:
well, it's been a while since the Rebels won, I imagine Luke to the Imperial Palace, formerly called the Jedi Temple, and somewhere Sidious has Yoda's saber as a war trophy somewhere. Hell, I imagine Sidious was so vain that he had a plaque that said who's saber it was.
That's all my head canon though.
So one thing that I think is totally overlooked about the lightsaber situation is there’s a shot in ROTS where we see the lightsaber on Yoda’s belt after his duel with Palpatine. It’s when he jumps down and is riding in the speeder with Bail. It’s clearly on his belt, for years I felt crazy because it was like I’m the only one who could see this but I kind of feel validated by Luke now having it.
Your take on how to perceive canon is perfect.
Great video Alex...wonderful explanation and logic....
Alex! Great point! These stories can work on so many levels and it’s true that Star Wars is a living breathing forever growing entity. Thanks for always sharing the FACTS. So many Star Wars UA-camrs don’t do the research and this channel does. One of many reasons that makes this the best Star Wars channels on the internet. Keep up the good work guys.
Here's my retcon pitch: Sidious had a replica of Yoda's Lightsaber made for Mas Amedda to torch infront of the new Empire in order to prove a point. Sidious of course kept Yoda's real Lightsaber as a trophy; a symbol of the Sith's triumph over the Jedi Order. He kept the Lightsaber either in his palace (the former Jedi Temple) or in one of his numerous vaults/storehouses he had scattered throughout the Galaxy.
After the events of Episode VI, Luke traveled across the Galaxy trying to learn as much as he could about the Force and the Jedi. I have no doubt he probably visited the old Jedi Temple on Coruscant as well Palpatine's vaults/storehouses. There, he discovered Yoda's Lightsaber and liberated it to honor his old master.
That picture of Mass Amedda destroying Yoda's lightsaber is interesting. If you look closely at it, it looks like there is a big round pommel on that lightsaber... which Yoda's does not have.
I personally think this is the best idea. Makes sense with Palpatine's character for him to appear to have destroyed all these lightsabers, symbolically laying the idea of the Jedi to rest, but has instead stored them away in his vaults. Like you say, also fits with what we know Luke was up to following ROTJ.
I hope SWE grows into the quintessential Star Wars resource on YT. Such a good couple of people. Much love.
My guess is that Yoda had two lightsabers, one that he used in combat and one he kept around in a vault, perhaps for training. It would make sense that he would have that, considering he trained Jedi for 800 years. It's like Darth Sidious's two lightsabers. He lost the first one against Mace Windu and used his second one against Yoda.
What if Luke has been consulting with Yoda (force ghost) all these years, and Yoda told Luke about his lightsaber? I appreciate someone finally doing an "open your mind" video vs criticism of everything.
It could not be stated better. This is the way long term creations evolve. It's fiction, fiction evolves. It's not actual history, which should not change. Awesome video bro!
I saw a post somewhere that yoda built a new lightsaber in one of the "Age of:" comics
Yoda wasn't always the Grand Master of the Jedi. Perhaps when he was younger he was out on a mission and the lightsabre he had with him at the time was taken from him or lost?
"Know you what a Jedi as old as Yoda can make, in so many years?"
"Master?"
"Many MISTAKES!"
From the book Yoda; Dark Rendezvous. A pretty good read all in all. Another Legends source says that he gifted the Purge Survivor, Qu Rahn, with a gold-bladed lightsabre that was later taken from him after Return of the Jedi and given to the Dark Jedi Pic. However, no mention is made of Yoda having a lightsabre after Revenge of the Sith apart from this, although I may have missed something, and the EU sure had a lot of stuff going on.
The way you respectfully put everything out there, very well done.
2:57 - Can confirm; haven't watched the comics, but had NO idea Yoda's lightsaber was even still around. Reckoned he left it behind on Coruscant, but I imagined he had every opportunity to build a new one while he was on Dagobah. Also, Jedi being creatures of habit, a subsequent build looking similar/identical isn't that big of a shocker to me.
What amazes me is how simple of an exclamation That was and yet it's effective fans act like a little continuity issues the end of the world but with a little bit of thinking it's really easy to sort through thank you Star Wars explained
Once you make a lightsaber, you can NEVER make one again.
I was under the impression that most Jedi, when they reach the rank of Master, made a new lightsaber to reflect their growth as a Jedi. I believe that is when Dooku adopted his curved hilt lightsaber. If this true, then Yoda likely did this as well. Moreover, Yoda , in spite of his vast knowledge, was a very “remember your basics” type Jedi. Yoda’s second lightsaber would therefore would, outwardly, be very similar to his first.
Dooku Jedi Lost shows that he always preferred curved designs but l can totally see him going through multiple before becoming a master.
His curve-hilted lightsaber was indeed constructed when he reached mastery in Legends.
I don't know why more fans don't see these sorts of things as fun opportunities to come up with creative ways to make the gaps work.
Because the story group is getting paid millions to have these stories consistent. If there is no consistency wouldn't they be getting paid to do nothing?
Absolute banger of a video, Alex popped off on this one
Yeah I would be shocked if Yoda being almost 900 years old only have one lightsaber. 😆
In the comic "Trials of Dagobah" he does have another lightsaber, but vows not to use it.
5:08
I didn’t even know Yoda’s saber was actually destroyed. But I appreciate you connecting the dots with a different perspective. Works for me!!
This is one of the reasons I love this channel. ❤️
My first headcanon thought was the destroyed one was a fake; Palpatine wanted a "token" of his defeat (we know very well he was a collector), but also wanted to publicly show Yoda had been defeated, so he had a swap done; I doubt anyone had Yoda's lightsaber memorized enough to recognize it held in a hand on stage. We see Luke raiding Palpatine's vaults in BF2, maybe he came across it in one of those.
This is quality content and you are an immense force of good for starwars fandom.
Thank you for being such a voice of reason here.
Love your open minded look on this! Thanks you for not being a hater!
The High Republic could explain this. We could see Yoda build another lightsaber, apart from the one he already wields in this era.
Honestly this mentality is how I still justify Star Wars the old republic within the storyline and it’s events because I love what we have now but that was my favorite era still is and I think it can fit perfectly with just the slightest bit of tweaking. Thank you for your take on this and just your amazing work within the community.
Luke: _"A good question for another time"_
Great video, Alex! I like your approach to this so-called “discrepancy”. It makes perfect sense to me that he would build another one, because I can't imagine that Yoda would go for 23 years without a lightsaber.
There was a comic showing he may have rebuilt his lightsaber with parts scattered in his bag, although he swore to never use one again
I figured Yogurt built this saber when training Luke. He had rejected the idea of rebuilding it, but that would have changed when Luke appeared, right around the time Ben met Luke on Hoth and told him to go to Dagobah.
Autocorrect strikes again. Yogurt?
@@ljphoenix4341 Yup. Autocorrect strikes again. Though I chose to keep it because Spaceballs.
You know Sheev took a spare for his drawer
Loved this. I honestly do the same thing, trying to rationalize out the discrepancies in order to achieve some kind of "perfect head canon" within one continuity. It's fun.
Also, the thumbnails recently have been outstanding!
Brilliant discussion. Thank You for the video. In my Head Canon your explanation is spot on !
I’m with you, connecting the dots is part of the fun
It’s a Quantum Lightsaber! It only exists when a storyteller is observing it.
Always love your attitude, especially about the storytellers here.
Wait you mean I can't harass the filmmakers for not showing an onscreen 10-minute funeral for Admiral Ackbar - that side character who doesn't matter?
A very prudent way to look at star wars
Makes sense considering Anakin had 2 or 3 (+1 if u count Vader), Obi-Wan had 3, Palpatine had 2, etc.
This very question came up when that reference book came out a few years ago and someone from the story group straight up said he just owned more than one.
Perhabs when Yoda said that he no longer had his lightsaber with him... he means ON him, he got it stored in his house in Dagobah (a replacement probably, Jedis always losed his lightsabers and had to made replacementsfrom time to time).
I can't imagine Yoda going back to the Jedi Temple and grabbing a new saber before going to Dagobah
It’s also worth pointing out we see in revenge of the sith that yoda clearly doesn’t have his lightsaber when bail organa saves him so it’s not just the comic it contradicts but it’s easily fixed or ignored so it’s not a big deal haha
Thanks Alex, I was wondering about that!
I like the idea of Luke having Master Yoda's lightsaber and him belonging to Grogu...
Me too
@@josephforrester1892so do i too.
Knowing this video would come out made that scene even better tbh
The one Mas Amedda destroyed could have just been some random youngling lightsaber. Or if it was Yoda's, it could be one of his backups that they found somewhere.
Mace Windu did actually had a another spare saber that he used to use which was also purple but before he replaced it with a lightsaber that he constructed with different material after he was appointed to the High Council.
there was also a reference of Yoda using a bow to hunt but wanting to use his light saber which he had but refused himself as he believed he didn't have the right anymore
Fortunately, the writers can write their way out of this one by either showing luke taking the saber or showing Yoda making a second.
Star Wars is fun and this is a fun solution to the problem. Thanks.
great video! thank you for doing what you do!
IIRC, the comic with Mas Amedda burning the saber doesn't even mention that it was Yoda's, nor is the blade turned on to show its color. It look's like Yoda's hilt and so that was the assumption, but SW hilts don't seem to be as unique as people think (especially during the war). For instance, Pablo-Jill's hilt is clearly the same brand of design as Darth Maul's, while General Grevious is shown in the movies ("top-canon") to be running around with straight up clones of the same hilt designs that Obi-Wan and Anakin use for their sabers.
Love what you had to say in this video! Thank you!
I can imagine a younger Yoda wielding dual lightsabers like a boss
In Age of the Rebellion there's a comic in which Yoda built a new lightsaber on Dagobah (as pointed out in a ScreenCrush video.)
I *love* that Star Wars gives us room to speculate and play with ideas like these. It's one of the only media franchises that brings out that childlike sense of wonder in so many millions of people, so I think it's a real blessing when some things are kept a little in the dark, and we're left with only some puzzle pieces and our imaginations to figure it out. Like you said in the video, I'm really upset by the people who call it bad storytelling or contradictory of canon when something isn't explained in full immediately, one such example being Palpatine's return from the dead. We're given plenty of hints and clues and insinuations, without a cut-and-dry explanation, but I don't think that's a bad thing at all, as long as it's not detrimental to the story. I think it's really magical when we're given the opportunity to wonder and imagine about things like this.
Id like to think Charles Soule might have a chance to retcon/fix/justify it himself in the mainline 2020 comic even some one off line about Luke finding out the Palpatine staged having it destroyed but kept his little green friends saber in a secret collection all along. Or have it be a whole arc of his run just further connecting his own material.
If you look at the Yoda lightsaber that's Canon, and the Yoda lightsaber that he presents to grogu they're not the same.
They have a very similar structure but the details are different so it's very possible that in exile he made another but never used it as there was no need. It was an out of sight out of mind kinda thing. Or he made one but had no kyber Crystal for is so technically he didn't have a lightsaber but just a shell of one.
Whether it was a mess up like Anakin having two fleshy arms on Mustafar, When Yoda is rescued after the senate fight he jumps into Bails speeder with his lightsaber on his belt.
You guys, Eckhart's Ladder and HelloGreedo are the most reasonable Star Wars fans out there.
I like to think that Sideous had a replica made for Mas Amedda to burn to send a message, but secretly kept the real one as a trophy. I like your take too though!
THIS IS WHY I LOVE THIS CHANNEL! This point of view, positive, inquisitive, thoughtful, open minded and imaginative about solutions to connect the discrepancies that appear in canon instead of tearing it all down in a fit of rage like those that cannot accept change.
I didn’t know his light saber was destroyed until a few days ago when I watched the Vader comics
Personally I hate headcanons.
People make a new canon that is wrong to what actually happened. Often they think is the real one, and they often argue with people who know the real one.
Not all people do though.
But either way, it's not the real story, it's whatever they want to happen when they aren't in control. You can't ever take them seriously.
This is exactly the point of probably my favorite subreddit asksciencefiction . People ask questions about a science fiction universe/canon and answers are all in-universe. The most important rule is that you can't just say "oh well the writers were dumb". Sometimes there are actual canon answers that people provide, but sometimes an answer is a non-canon justification for something that can fit the canon. Highly recommend that subreddit.
To suggest Yoda may have built another sabre isn't even that much of a stretch, it's exactly what I'd assumed minuted after that scene in BOBF. Anyways, great vid! Keep 'em up
Well done sir!
As old as he was, Yoda surely had a junk drawer full of light sabers.
Not only from the comics but we don't see Yoda retrieve his lightsaber after dueling Sidious. But from a visual standpoint it's not that hard to believe that Yoda reconstructed a lightsaber and then in that reconstruction decided that he should not have to use it. Knowing Luke has it in his possession just shows how much Luke was willing to go back to Dagobah at some point to get the lightsaber. Which I think is very tender.
If anyone is really confused/hurt comic-fans you can always say Jocosta force pulled it really fast right as it was tossed on the furnace. In the comics she had a nice hidden stash of Jedi stuff she kept as records.
I love coming up with my own theories to stories. Throwing the lightsabers into a fire wouldn't make much sense other than as a show for the crowd. The empire were seeking out kyber crystals for the death star so it would make sense to harvest the parts. Palatine could have kept yodas as a trophy. When Palatine was killed the lightsaber could have been found by luke back in the old jedi temple on coruasant
I also think Grogu's choice gains an extra layer of significance, given that it's not only about the path of the jedi vs the way of the mandalorian, it's also between carrying on a legacy vs building his own.
Here's a thought -- Dave and Jon aren't worried about the the comic books, novels, or other books. The movies and shows are canon to me. But the rest of the stuff is just alt-universe stuff. I think Dave and Jon know about the other stuff, which is why those elements are brought into the new Star Wars. But I think in their minds, all of the other materials aren't canon (or maybe, they are canon until the movies/shows say otherwise).
Like how you show yourself in this one but still show full screen images when appropriate
I like your "FUN-NEL" idea. Isn't all this about the FUN anyway.
If the final episode of BoBF says it’s the lightsaber Yoda used in the prequels, then we can also assume Sidious had a replica of Yoda’s lightsaber built to put fear into the galaxy
I can picture Luke giving Lil' G the second gift regardless of which one Gogurt chooses.
If he takes the obvious choice of leaving by choosing the mail, Luke will give him the Light Saber for additional protection and for when he returns to his training after Din passes - either from old age or his profession. If he takes the Saber, Luke gives him the mail and joins him on his first mission as a Padawan; helping Din, Bobba, and Cab free Tatooine from the Pikes.
I like to think once Yoda decided to train Luke, he built a new lightsaber in preparation. Or even better, he built the new lightsaber while training Luke, to demonstrate to Luke how a Jedi constructs their weapon.
Didnt Luke learn how to build a lightsaber from a book from obi wans place?
I'm sure we love watching u connect the dots and make a head canon as much as u like building one, so thanks! I like the idea that he just had multiple sabers and took another from the temple when he and Obi-Wan went to investigate. The idea he built another later when he didnt need it nor had access to materials or a crystal (dont like the idea of Dagobah having crystals when it was a darkside planet) is much less appealing.
Easy explanation is to just treat it like the Vader comics are also in Legends continuity. Just like the comic which explained how Kanan survived Order 66 which itself was retconned in Bad Batch, or the Ahsoka Novel whose depiction of the siege of Mandalore was retconned in Clone Wars.
Anything that is animated or live action is the gold standard for canon. Eveything else is really just 'official' fanfic.
i 100% agree with you and your inverted pyramid. i stops at games and even then not all of them. for what i know, the last time i saw joda's saber is when he loses it against the emperor
You are definitely right about the live action movies/series then animated series in your chart. However the order of the comics, books, and other reference materials changes level depending on storytelling purposes.
Lego specials or series are canon adjacent. Finn needs some sort of Jedi training. If the only place he gets that is a Lego special, it still happened. Although I would prefer a Forces of Destiny episode or something to that effect.
I think the simplest answer is that Yoda built a new one after Obi-Wan died in preparation of training Luke. He didn't need one before that because he was in solitude. We never *see* Yoda using a lightsaber while training Luke, but he must have because Luke was (at least somewhat) able to hold his own against Vader.
Your explanation seems to fit quite well and doesn’t really require too much stretch of imagination
Ive seen thousands of people ask who "the blue guy at the end of the newest episode is". Alex is right, a majority of the people who watch the shows have only seen the movies and thats ok.