Star Trek TNG - O'Brien's PTSD

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  • In the episode The Wounded, from Star Trek The Next Generation, Chief Miles O'Brien talks to a Cardassian about why he seems to hate them. What he describes is a classic, tragic root of combat-related PTSD: becoming a killer.

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  • @Troubleshooter125
    @Troubleshooter125 6 років тому +1007

    Up until this scene, Chief O'Brien was the transporter operator, a nice guy, someone you might not think about twice ... until we hear about this incident ... and Colm Meaney brings a vivid third dimension to this Enterprise engineer. Serious "wow" factor here, gang.

    • @sarahkinsey5434
      @sarahkinsey5434 5 років тому +74

      Troubleshooter125 totally. There were a few great O’Brien moments in TNG, but he really shone in DS9

    • @CRFlixs
      @CRFlixs 5 років тому +47

      @@sarahkinsey5434 That's why he was made a lead in DS9.

    • @sarahkinsey5434
      @sarahkinsey5434 5 років тому +7

      CRFlixxx and was always the one to get injured

    • @micfail2
      @micfail2 4 роки тому +23

      He is an awesome actor. If I did not know any better I would think he was an actual combat veteran

    • @Cool70sfreak
      @Cool70sfreak 4 роки тому +10

      @@sarahkinsey5434 And not just physically. That show really put him through hell :'D

  • @runawayuniverse
    @runawayuniverse 7 років тому +909

    My all time favorite line in the history of The Next Generation.
    "It's not you I hate Cardassian. I hate what I became because of you."

    • @lawnmowermanTX
      @lawnmowermanTX 6 років тому +37

      Drama, and current event issues, continue in off world adventures... Technology evolves, that woman might have hurriedly set the phaser... In the heat of combat, even blind rage, blinds a soul, for a very long time... Irony is, Chief O'Brian, lives on a Cardassian station, near a Bajoran wormhole.. I bet Garak irks O'Brian on DS9..? Nah..

    • @tek512
      @tek512 6 років тому +50

      Garak actually did irk O'Brien for a long time. It took seeing the utter devastation wrought on the Cardassians by the Dominion before O'Brien truly let go of his prejudices.

    • @SamaritanPrime
      @SamaritanPrime 3 роки тому +18

      @@tek512 There's even an episode where Garak goes nuts and starts killing people and O'Brien has to stop him. Do NOT underestimate your engineers.

    • @JingleJangle256
      @JingleJangle256 3 роки тому +2

      Even though there are a myriad of scenes from DS9 that contradict this point, but it’s a good scene, so whatever.

    • @BillinHungary
      @BillinHungary 2 роки тому +6

      I think the folks on DS9 thought that Colm Meaney was underutilized on TNG, and given what we saw later in DS9, they were spot on. Terry Farrell (Jadzia Dax) said that when it comes to reading a script, he is just automatic - he reads it, he can play it.. She went on to say that in theory, all actors sould be able to do it, but the ease in which he could become the character speaking the lines was amazing.. In this scene you really do believe that he suffering from PTSD.

  • @Helbore
    @Helbore 8 років тому +990

    What's sad is the Cardassian's reaction here. He clearly is not comfortable with the story O'Brien tells. He doesn't even defend their attack - he calls it a terrible mistake and is clearly accepting that the Cardassians attacked a civilian target and he doesn't like it.I'd say its probably fair that he tried to befriend O'Brien as an attempt to assuage his own guilt of having been involved in a war that had him kill people he didn't want to kill. It's a shame we never got to see more of this character, because he just seemed to be the Cardassian equivalent of O'Brien - a patriot forced to fight in a war he didn't want to.

    • @Deadpool_64
      @Deadpool_64 7 років тому +181

      This is the most unCardassian like Cardassian we ever saw. Wish he had been in DS9 as a regular. He seemed like a really good man.

    • @Locktwiste72
      @Locktwiste72 7 років тому +113

      Helbore I think they should have reunited him with O'Brien on DS9. He is without a doubt the closest thing to human a Cardassian could ever be. And O"Brien was the most human crewmember of the Enterprise. The actor who played him - Colm Meaney - should have gotten an award for his portrayal of Star Trek's equivalent of a soldier suffering from PTSD.

    • @tombo1984
      @tombo1984 7 років тому +21

      Chances are he probably would have died in the Dominion war.

    • @tombo1984
      @tombo1984 7 років тому +20

      Or if he became a lead figure in the Cardassian resistance movement.

    • @Deadpool_64
      @Deadpool_64 7 років тому +26

      BartJ583 Yeah, because over thousands of light years, and hundreds of species, we'll never have any conflict what so ever.

  • @Alaninbroomfield
    @Alaninbroomfield 3 роки тому +418

    Notice that the alien was LISTENING to him, not trying to add or interject, just letting him talk. Great acting.

    • @karlncholson7517
      @karlncholson7517 3 роки тому +12

      It's very telling that a lot of humans could learn from this human playing an alien.. Sad horrible times we live in

    • @ruinenlust_
      @ruinenlust_ 3 роки тому +25

      @@karlncholson7517 That's the _whole point_ of Star Trek. You have all these alien factions and alien tech and alien characters, but they all reflect a part of what it means to be human.

    • @irishdc9523
      @irishdc9523 Рік тому +4

      @@ruinenlust_ Thing is as well, you look at it and wonder how an advanced society such as theirs has all these problems. But then you think how does a society as advanced as ours have those problems

    • @russellmoore8187
      @russellmoore8187 Рік тому +3

      "the alien"? Dude it's Star Trek, everyone's an alien

    • @jonathanstrong4812
      @jonathanstrong4812 Рік тому

      DEAR LORD WHAT THAT THE POOR-MAN

  • @Neverhoodian
    @Neverhoodian 6 років тому +912

    As Miles O'Brien stormed out of Ten Forward, the Cardassian was left with one burning question that haunts his thoughts to this very day...
    "What's a mosquito?"

    • @fuflang
      @fuflang 6 років тому +18

      Context clues.

    • @skylarpatterson3363
      @skylarpatterson3363 6 років тому +18

      What if mosquitos exist on Cardassia? I mean they wouldn't be addressed under that name but surely their eco-system would have some kind of flying vampiric insects or worse yet arachnid based ones

    • @fuflang
      @fuflang 6 років тому +32

      The word "swat" is almost exclusively used for hitting or crushing small things. Context clues and the universal translators ability to translate them would be key in conveying meaning between alien species.

    • @skylarpatterson3363
      @skylarpatterson3363 6 років тому +3

      You already made the point of context and no further elaboration was necessary. I was simply speculating about how Cardassian s would have similar creatures to Earth albeit with a plethora of differences.

    • @yragcom1
      @yragcom1 5 років тому +2

      LOL

  • @jrsanders1212
    @jrsanders1212 3 роки тому +128

    Almost 9 years later I would like to add that the Chief said, "The man just incinerated in front of me." He didn't say alien or Cardi, just another dude. This is super powerful. Thanks again for uploading.

    • @leo-unddieAnderen
      @leo-unddieAnderen Рік тому

      Being.

    • @JonSmith-cx7gr
      @JonSmith-cx7gr Рік тому

      It wasnt a man so this is highly offensive of 'chief' to call him that.
      So racist and disrespectful to the alien who died with O brian kneeling on his neck and firing a phaser.

    • @tonoornottono
      @tonoornottono 2 місяці тому

      @@leo-unddieAnderen”we’re all human” -james t kirk

  • @pinkfloppyass
    @pinkfloppyass 3 роки тому +149

    God I love Obrien so much, probably cause he's so different to other 24st century humans. He swears, he drinks, and he feels hate, and felt uncomfortable around cardissains. I love him cause he isn't perfect, can't let go of the shit that haunts him, and can't let go of old enemies like with most other Federation seem to do with former enemies. I'd probably chalk that down to just that O'Brien has actually seen more shit than normal Federation officers, while space battles are cool and all, O'Brien has seen the horrors of 24st century ground warfare that most do not see.

    • @irishdc9523
      @irishdc9523 Рік тому +20

      Also add that those flaws aren't miraculously gone by the next episode. Fast forward to DS9 years later, and he still harbours some resentment towards the Cardassians. Not as much as he used to, now that he's gotten to know individuals. He even says it himself that you can't judge a whole race of people. But you can still tell when he's around Cardassian soldiers, he's uneasy

    • @kiyosenl.3889
      @kiyosenl.3889 Рік тому +3

      Its nitpicky i know but its 24th century not 24st, cause its supposed to be the last 2 letters of the last number, twenty fourTH, 21st century has st because its twenty firST,

    • @jcolinmizia9161
      @jcolinmizia9161 6 місяців тому +2

      A lot of Star Trek, especially TNG, we see from the perspective of the upper officers. Chief O’Brien was an enlisted crew member, whose experiences were much different. I wish they had explored that part of him a bit more.

    • @jingbot1071
      @jingbot1071 2 місяці тому

      @@kiyosenl.3889 Well I can tell you don't live in the twenty forst century...

  • @Knightstruth
    @Knightstruth 3 роки тому +94

    I remember reading a study of Vietnam Veterans which found that an overwhelming number of those with PTSD were the ones who believed they had acted immorally during the war.
    I also talked to a Marine once who served in Iraq who told me about the origin of his own struggle with PTSD. A car crossed into their base perimeter and after numerous warnings it kept speeding towards them. he was ordered to open fire on it and shot out the engine block.
    When they checked the car they found a pregnant woman and her husband. She was giving birth and they thought the American soldiers would help them deliver the baby.
    Luckily If I remember the story right they survived and the baby was fine but I can’t imagine the guilt of shooting at a pregnant woman and her husband when they only wanted help.

    • @sergeantassassin3425
      @sergeantassassin3425 3 роки тому +14

      Luckily he only shot the engine, not the people inside.

    • @Knightstruth
      @Knightstruth 3 роки тому +5

      @@sergeantassassin3425 Yeah, very lucky.

    • @coolguyjki
      @coolguyjki Рік тому +6

      That's the true horror of war. The people who want it don't feel any shame for the horror they've committed on civilians, but the people who join out of guilt or honor feel shame and disgust for their actions. Those who deserve it never see Hell, but those who only wanted to be good people are tortured always and forever with what they've done.

    • @thelastbrobo7826
      @thelastbrobo7826 10 місяців тому

      You have to be low IQ to speed toward a military installation in the middle of a war

  • @JH-su9vl
    @JH-su9vl 6 років тому +372

    Back when trek was about ideas not special effects

    • @mosspally6995
      @mosspally6995 4 роки тому +6

      Victor VonDoom what? Seriously what do you mean by swj ideas?

    • @difficultbastard
      @difficultbastard 4 роки тому +11

      @Victor VonDoom Patrick Stewart has said he wants to do the new series "Picard", because of Brexit, and how he thinks the whole country is going wrong for choosing not to have undemocratic UN overlords.
      The internet is a marvelous thing, but one unfortunate side effect is that we get to know our TV heroes. Fuck the newest Star Trek series (again) , and fuck Patrick Stewart.

    • @Mr_Bunk
      @Mr_Bunk 4 роки тому +26

      No-one who unironcally says “Fuck Patrick Stewart” gets any respect from anyone. Nor, I suspect, even from themselves.

    • @hamzakhairi4765
      @hamzakhairi4765 4 роки тому +3

      @@difficultbastard Patrick Stewart made star trek TOS was cancelled for shitty views TNG picked ST off the ground

    • @lillith3159
      @lillith3159 4 роки тому +17

      @Victor VonDoom There always has to be some idiot saying SJW at everything that he doesnt like. Dude, star trek has always been about "SJW". The problem is not that. The problem is that the new shows have awfull writting and poor character development in favor of fancy unnecessary special efects.

  • @Castlecoke
    @Castlecoke 5 років тому +258

    Im a marine vet. Did my tours in Iraq. I was angry at times at Iraqis. I was angry at myself for feeling like a racist. Now im out. I sometimes hate myself for remembering who i was at the time.

    • @diabdia
      @diabdia 4 роки тому +19

      I hope this show and your VA benefits can give you some sort of peace. The best you can do is learn how to process your pain and grief. I sincerely hope you have someone to talk to sir. I also hope you're in a better place with yourself within your soul.

    • @kojack635
      @kojack635 4 роки тому +7

      @@diabdia The VA sucks. I hope they take care of this veteran, but chances are they won't.

    • @SamaritanPrime
      @SamaritanPrime 3 роки тому +10

      It has been said that "time heals all wounds."
      I disagree. In time, all wounds heal- if you're willing to apply the medicine. Stay strong, and keep healing.

    • @Josh23761
      @Josh23761 3 роки тому +9

      The anger makes perfect sense, they are natural emotional responses to those situations. No matter what you think of yourself back then, try to remember that the past is just a shadow, the present is what is truly happening and the person you are at this very moment is always the real you. I know its hard but try to understand that nothing can change the way you once felt or thought, but it doesn't mean that it defines who you actually are.
      Since you're a marine I'm sure you spent some time on a ship; the past is like the wake trail left from a ship, it tells you where it has been, but it can never reveal the destination or present bearing nor can it influence that.
      I never experienced a war or any combat situation so I can't understand fully what its like, but you have my respect and hopes for the future. Unfortunately accepting these feelings are the only way to move on.

    • @lethauntic
      @lethauntic 3 роки тому +1

      I mean, in the moment it makes sense to be angry at those who are trying to kill you. You know, minus the civilians I guess.

  • @Tk52781
    @Tk52781 3 роки тому +72

    Chief O’Brien is one of the best characters in all of Star Trek.

  • @RedCrusaderArc
    @RedCrusaderArc 4 роки тому +248

    How to recognize a classic Star Trek scene? There is no lens flare in it.

    • @KRAFTWERK2K6
      @KRAFTWERK2K6 4 роки тому +15

      and no shakey handcamera.

    • @jonathansoko1085
      @jonathansoko1085 3 роки тому

      and a damn cardie is present

    • @phoneboxchicken4108
      @phoneboxchicken4108 3 роки тому +5

      Or retina burning white sets. Those Jar Jar Abrams films need to come with sunglasses.

    • @atMacen07
      @atMacen07 3 роки тому +1

      @@phoneboxchicken4108 Darth Binks strikes again

    • @hudsonball4702
      @hudsonball4702 2 роки тому +1

      And there's good acting.

  • @N3uroTypical333
    @N3uroTypical333 5 років тому +144

    My father was in WWII. The war changed him. Yet he had absolutely no ill will towards the German people. He befriended an immigrant who was a child in a town my dad took, they were lifetime friends. The way he explained it to me, his counterpart in the German army was just like him - some poor grunt trying to keep warm, doing what his country told him to do, hoping to send some money home to family, worrying about how everyone was going to live through the winter.

    • @Skyebright1
      @Skyebright1 4 роки тому +9

      rareay true the Wehrmacht soldiers were largely just ordinary men

    • @jonathansoko1085
      @jonathansoko1085 3 роки тому +6

      @@Skyebright1 Sure, if you consider nazi's ordinary men, i dont.

    • @Skyebright1
      @Skyebright1 3 роки тому +7

      @@jonathansoko1085 well they weren’t SS, they were just average Germans

    • @michaelgreenwood3413
      @michaelgreenwood3413 3 роки тому +3

      @@jonathansoko1085 the SS were nazis. the vast majority of germans were not.

    • @agl1138
      @agl1138 3 роки тому +6

      @@michaelgreenwood3413 Not really relevant. The German people supported Nazism and its evil. There is no moral equivalence between Allied combatants and Axis combatants.

  • @no1reallycaresabout2
    @no1reallycaresabout2 9 років тому +198

    I think the character of Glinn Daro had a lot of potential, more than just being a one-episode character.

    • @oldtwinsna8347
      @oldtwinsna8347 6 років тому +16

      Possibly, but the way he talks is dangerous in the sense that if the Obsiddian Order got wind of it, they would investigate and find a way to frame him. He probably thought, "he's just a human, the Order will never know" so was able to talk like that.

    • @promontorium
      @promontorium 4 роки тому +2

      Unfortunately TNG ended up not having very many Cardassian episodes.

    • @Trek001
      @Trek001 3 роки тому +12

      Somewhere out there, there is a very sweet little fanfic set during the final episode of DS9 where O'Brien uses the comm to call a Cardassian ship and ask about Daro and is relieved to hear that he made it through the war alive

  • @stevenweaver3386
    @stevenweaver3386 4 роки тому +20

    Not just the Cardassian died on Setlik III. The Miles O'Brien who joined Starfleet in the excitement of youth, eager to explore, eager for adventure, also died.
    What that young man could have been, should have become, was also incinerated in that phase blast. Now, wearing Miles O'Brien's skin is a cold hearted killer, hating himself for what he was forced to just to stay alive

  • @gtaclevelandcity
    @gtaclevelandcity 3 роки тому +16

    Its this scene where I feel Colm Meaney earns his well deserved spot as a main cast member on DS9. Great acting.

  • @bobpage6597
    @bobpage6597 5 років тому +66

    0:22.....you can see the anger build in O'Brien here. He's furious at the attempted justification by the Cardassian for wiping out a civilian outpost. He then bottles it, and continues his story.

    • @jerodast
      @jerodast 4 роки тому +14

      @Hunter D Me neither, but it would be very hard not to see it that way if you were there. "I just told you how horrible your unprovoked attack was, and you make an excuse for it?" But of course, O'Brien is a smart, enlightened member of Starfleet, so he recognizes that's not a fair way to take it, so he doesn't lash out. But it would be hard not to be a bit angry just at the thought.

    • @nagihangot6133
      @nagihangot6133 3 роки тому +1

      He seems annoyed with the Cardassian's seeming trickery, not knowing if the reasoning was one the Cardassian was stupid enough to believe or was making up on his own. I don't see anger, your ancestry's vile inherent senseless hatred can be seen easier than Sub-Saharans exhibit.

    • @Blackwind_Legacy
      @Blackwind_Legacy 3 роки тому +5

      O'Brien, being enlisted and a military man, probably believed the reasoning. Having been military myself, it's really no surprise when a mistake of this magnitude happens. Of course, he didn't take it well. But I doubt he thought the Cardassian was making excuses or thought he was trying to justify it.

    • @BSE1320
      @BSE1320 2 роки тому +3

      I thought it more like, "Of course you were told it was a military outpost...typical navy fuck up."

  • @pantspantsrevolution
    @pantspantsrevolution 3 роки тому +21

    And this was the beginning of a very sympathetic character that we grew to love here and in DS9. His PTSD only got worse after that but he still wanted to remain in Starfleet and just do the right thing. I love O’Brien and I feel bad for him. It was good he married Keiko when he did and had children.💛

  • @thcollegestudent
    @thcollegestudent 8 років тому +84

    This is in my opinion this character at his finest.

    • @thcollegestudent
      @thcollegestudent 3 роки тому +4

      5 years later I came looking for this scene again and...found my own comment.
      I miss dialog like this in Trek.

    • @LonesomeTraveller
      @LonesomeTraveller 3 роки тому +2

      @@thcollegestudent oh it's been five years. I re-watch these short clips too, only to find I commented on them some months or years back. And everything feels...silent. Like so much has changed since that comment.

  • @ffnbbq
    @ffnbbq 4 роки тому +66

    Trivia: the filming of this scene (and, I imagine, every other scene involving the Cardassians in this episode) was rather undercut by the costume making very loud squeaking noises whenever the actors moved. The pre-final edit footage (before VFX, music, dubbing and foley) is unintentionally hilarious.
    I hope the DS9-era uniform was much quieter.

    • @vguyver2
      @vguyver2 4 роки тому +7

      The newer ones squeaked, but not as much the only squeaking was with the boots and torso clothing. This debut episode had all this tight sheen fabric and it was like an 80's baggy jogging gear, every step would have a squeak or woosh sound.

  • @GGGritzer
    @GGGritzer 10 років тому +109

    One of Trek's luckiest yet finest catches! Our own Colm Meaney well and truly makes his mark

  • @greencello599
    @greencello599 5 років тому +10

    I have never served in the military but my grandfather did. He was in the European Theater of World War 2 and he rarely spoke of his experiences. He carried that part of him to his grave along with the physical reminders he received. He never went back as far as I know. He had good and bad memories from Europe. Upon meeting him though, he was the most joyful and loving person you could meet, and you couldn't help but think the thought, "This guy is going to be around forever." O'brien, like my grandfather, enlisted into service rather than go through the academy. A ground pounder who knew what to do and what was needed. One can read about the horrors of war, but the ones who lived it rarely speak of them.

    • @hpa2005
      @hpa2005 5 років тому +2

      Agreed

  • @Deadpool_64
    @Deadpool_64 7 років тому +57

    I'd drink a glass of Kanar with this Cardassian.

  • @nightengale10
    @nightengale10 4 роки тому +7

    can you imagine what the first episode of Ds9 must have been like for O'Brien knowing he was on a mostly defenseless space station with his wife and daughter probably going to be taken prisoner by the Cardassians before Sisko shows up towing gul Dukat?

    • @oldtwinsna8347
      @oldtwinsna8347 3 роки тому

      It seems odd O'Brien would have even take the position considering the emotional history here. Sure, it was a major promotion, and in the end it worked out very well for him, but surely there would have been other opportunities that Picard would've vouched O'Brien for. I'd think he would've been happier being in some operational role in an orbital station over Earth, for example.

    • @DelcoRanz93
      @DelcoRanz93 3 роки тому

      @@oldtwinsna8347 He could have been assigned to Deep Space Nine in part because he has experience with the Cardassians, But also because I think someone in Starfleet saw potential in him to be more than just a Transporter operator and felt that he was ready for more of a challenge.

    • @thespecialneedsgroup
      @thespecialneedsgroup 3 роки тому +3

      @@oldtwinsna8347 If you consider what he thought the job was going to be when he accepted it, I think it makes a lot more sense.
      He was signing on to a massive relief effort to rebuild a society that had been devastated by the Cardassians. An insignificant, war-torn planet where countless people had a story just like his. He was going there not as a soldier, but as an engineer who could use his skills to ease the suffering of a people who had lost their innocence and been changed forever by Cardassian aggression; just like him.

  • @AshPrimeDCFC
    @AshPrimeDCFC Рік тому +5

    PTSD really hits me hard. Grown, brave men traumatised by war is terribly upsetting.

  • @bunnygirl95
    @bunnygirl95 3 роки тому +16

    One of my fave episodes of TNG. So well written, and so dark. Modern Trek really should learn from this

    • @Drax514
      @Drax514 2 роки тому

      The people who write and the people who are fans of Modern Trek don't give a shit about things like this. They don't care about humanity, or depth, or emotions. They just want flashy action and catchy one liners.
      As long as it looks cool man, just turn off your brain man. Fuck Modern Trek. The new Paramount shows make the Abrams movies look like TNG masterpieces in comparison.

  • @EmmaWatsonthe3rd
    @EmmaWatsonthe3rd Рік тому +1

    It's a crime he never got an award for his portrayal of combat PTSD. Wow. Fellow survivors, we are not alone.

  • @jasonfenton8250
    @jasonfenton8250 6 років тому +79

    Miles "cardy culling" O'Brien
    Miles "coffins for cardies" O'Brien

    • @Mr_Bunk
      @Mr_Bunk 4 роки тому +28

      Miles ‘Cardassia Prime’s outta time’ O’Brien

    • @davecrupel2817
      @davecrupel2817 3 роки тому +1

      😂

    • @GhostLink92
      @GhostLink92 3 роки тому +8

      Miles "Kill a Cardie, get a hardie" O'Brien.

    • @LaBarata12
      @LaBarata12 3 роки тому +7

      Miles “spoonhead get dead” O’Brien

    • @alexanderrahl482
      @alexanderrahl482 5 місяців тому

      🤣

  • @rixille
    @rixille 4 роки тому +83

    Imagine just 2 minutes of O'Brien, a side character in the series giving us much more of a message than an entire episode of STP could ever give us.

    • @mckinleymac3452
      @mckinleymac3452 2 роки тому +2

      "......than an entire season of TOS could ever give us."
      There, fixed it for you.

    • @nickryan4126
      @nickryan4126 2 роки тому +7

      @@mckinleymac3452 trying to excuse the failings of a contemporary drama by comparing it to a campy show from the 1960s. Pathetic. Also, the secondary characters in TOS didn't get star billing.

  • @chonconnor6144
    @chonconnor6144 Рік тому +4

    One of the top 5 best TNG episodes, the performances of O'Brien and Maxwell were so memorable and accessible to a young scifi audience. If only they still wrote TV like this.

  • @Trecesolotienesdos
    @Trecesolotienesdos 11 років тому +85

    poor miles. seems even before TNG and DS9 he got brutalised lol.

    • @mreese8764
      @mreese8764 3 роки тому +1

      @Samar3n and even his clones

  • @mikebasil4832
    @mikebasil4832 3 роки тому +9

    This is one of Star Trek: TNG's most pivotal dialogues and a triumph for Colm as Miles. 🖖🏻

  • @helipilot27
    @helipilot27 Місяць тому +2

    This scene taught me a life lesson.
    Sometimes, you just need to listen to help someone.

  • @davecrupel2817
    @davecrupel2817 4 роки тому +6

    0:57 his eyes tell me he was the one who was stunned...

    • @Jarsia
      @Jarsia 4 роки тому

      holy shit. I never even thought that he might have been one of those 2 cardassians, now I can't see anything else.

  • @pcgentile
    @pcgentile Рік тому +3

    One of the most underrated episodes of the series. Excellent depictions of PTSD.

  • @picknroll8221
    @picknroll8221 9 років тому +26

    Thanks for up-loading. O'Brien, I believe, has been triggered by the Cardassians. Seemed to be doing o.k. before his old C-O Capt. Maxwell went on a little rampage through the star system. These things lie dormant for a while then have a way of re-surfacing. Masterfully portrayed here, IMHO.

  • @kierandearn1512
    @kierandearn1512 3 роки тому +7

    I miss this kind of star trek, how it made you think about things like this

  • @Norkindar
    @Norkindar 3 роки тому +8

    Colm Meaney has so much gravitas in this episode and especially this scene. There's no real emotion expressed, no raising of his voice, very little inflection, but you can feel so much suppression of his anger and pain. It comes across so strong and from so little. A wonderful performance.

  • @1dotcomdotnet
    @1dotcomdotnet 9 років тому +23

    A bitter realization. 1:39

  • @davecrupel2817
    @davecrupel2817 5 років тому +16

    I wonder how many men, after the World Wars, had this same conversation.....

  • @808INFantry11X
    @808INFantry11X 10 років тому +15

    Very Powerful moment of a great series.

  • @drjohndee4322
    @drjohndee4322 2 роки тому +3

    That scene there was powerful and to the point. You can feel the energy In the scene. I had to see if he was ever in the military. Because only a real vet would of gave such emotional and moving response. I found that he was never in the military.....which shows that his acting skills are that good and that you can have a wow moment during that scene and feel moved by it !

  • @DanKuhn
    @DanKuhn Рік тому +2

    This is SO FUCKING GOOD and it shows once again why the Cardassians are the best Star Trek villains. Because they're just a butterfly effect version of us. We see ourselves in them

  • @carminemurray6624
    @carminemurray6624 2 роки тому +2

    This scene had much sensitivity and that says
    a lot, as I really care about people and it makes me tear up as I remember such things.

  • @sunnchilde
    @sunnchilde 6 років тому +24

    I wonder if this scene isn't why we had him on DS9?

    • @jerodast
      @jerodast 5 років тому +17

      Colm Meaney's agent: You know he can act circles around the rest of cast except Stewart right?
      "The Wounded" writers: Prove it.
      Colm Meaney: *does this episode*
      ds9 producers: "Yup. Okay then."

    • @DrownedInExile
      @DrownedInExile 3 роки тому

      I thought you were talking about the Cardassian for some reason.
      I'm sure he ended up being drummed out of the military, on one of their many political/ideological purges.

    • @floppydisksareop
      @floppydisksareop 3 роки тому +1

      @@DrownedInExile Probably not. He was basically a grunt, not any worse than Marritza (who, while a civilian, was still working for the military). I don't think anyone really cared about him, and he didn't seem like the overly ambitious type. Even if he happened to be a Gul (which is still a pretty low rank in on itself, considering how many ships the Cardassians have, and how he could command basically a messenger ship and still have that rank), he'd probably still be alright as long as he didn't try to actively act against Central Command or the Obsidian Order. The worst thing that could happen to him is probably being nuked by the Dominion, or shot out of the sky by the Alliance during the Dominion War.

    • @oldtwinsna8347
      @oldtwinsna8347 Рік тому

      @@floppydisksareop Glinn is not a low rank by default. It's wide encompassing depending on level of authority. Considering he was the Gul's aid, he was likely very high on the food chain. The Order would not tolerate this kind of talk he did with O'Brien and would indeed take steps necessary for removal for potentially spreading ideology incompatible with the Union's vision. He likely was smart enough, though, not to talk that way in front of other Cardies.

  • @Sage2000
    @Sage2000 3 роки тому +2

    Top notch writing, directing and acting. I love O’Brian.

  • @Psiros
    @Psiros 6 років тому +14

    Does anyone know if these two characters meet again anywhere in ST canon? It would have been awesome if they paired up during the Dominion War - first as rivals, then as allies.

    • @NitpickingNerd
      @NitpickingNerd 5 років тому +4

      the galaxy is a big place . it's unlikely to meet random people again. this guy probably died in the dominion war . maybe O'brien looked it up later and felt sorry for him

    • @mmyatt9560
      @mmyatt9560 3 роки тому

      @@NitpickingNerd he survived the war in some non canon works

    • @oldtwinsna8347
      @oldtwinsna8347 Рік тому

      Given his character reflection here, chiefly that he isn't power hungry needing a plateau to stand on by breaking the backs of others, I'd say he'd have moral objections about taking leadership from Dukat, thus ended up going AWOL and hightailing it to a Federation or some neutral world to live a life of protest. With the Order having fallen by then, he would not have been hunted down.

  • @jiminyhopkins
    @jiminyhopkins 3 роки тому +1

    Wait til O'Brien finds out what happens when his plane is circling Dulles, running low on fuel with the ILS glide slope re-set...

  • @ABCDyeahyeahyeah
    @ABCDyeahyeahyeah Рік тому +3

    This scene is probably the moment when Meaney won a full time role for DS9. What a performance.

  • @mrizwan7566
    @mrizwan7566 2 роки тому +1

    I rate this episode is one of the top episodes of startrek, what a perfect way to introduce a new race. All the story , the characters done perfectly.

  • @skylarpatterson3363
    @skylarpatterson3363 6 років тому +31

    Try finding this level of depth in any episode of Discovery.

    • @SweetBearCub
      @SweetBearCub 6 років тому +10

      "Try finding this level of depth in any episode of Discovery." Unable to comply. Depth not found. A shame.

    • @KRAFTWERK2K6
      @KRAFTWERK2K6 4 роки тому +1

      HAHAHA good luck.

    • @FireLordJohn3191
      @FireLordJohn3191 3 роки тому +3

      @@KRAFTWERK2K6 Or Picard.

    • @CardboardSliver
      @CardboardSliver 3 роки тому +4

      Discovery had as much depth as a mud puddle.

    • @keithklassen5320
      @keithklassen5320 3 роки тому +1

      Let's just enjoy what we have. No need to drag those shows in here.

  • @ElectericSpace
    @ElectericSpace 3 роки тому +2

    This entire episode is so well written it feels like a prologue for ds9

    • @thespecialneedsgroup
      @thespecialneedsgroup 3 роки тому +1

      It might be the first of the "actually, 24th Century humans _aren't_ perfect" plot lines of the TNG era.

    • @kagemusha168
      @kagemusha168 Рік тому +1

      Maxwell was proven correct with the Dominion War.

    • @alexanderrahl482
      @alexanderrahl482 5 місяців тому +1

      ​@@thespecialneedsgroup You forget about Barclay? We knew they weren't perfect long before this episode.

  • @Guardias
    @Guardias Рік тому

    Miles never got enough credit. Glad the books rectified some of that injustice.

  • @Enrahb
    @Enrahb Рік тому

    Star Trek TNG and DS9 actually found ways to portray PTSD with respect and dignity.

  • @thomasschoon8407
    @thomasschoon8407 5 років тому +2

    I suppose if you're limited to a few choice precise words, this does the best job of summing it up, probably because it's the right few words.
    Especially when it's face to face 20 feet away and it really is him or you, the pure rage, the indignity of someone wanting to do that to you, and then just a few seconds later they're on the ground bleeding, you're alive unhurt and then you realize that you have ended the life of something that took Gods work and skills if you will, and a mother's nine months of careful care and love to bring he or she into the world innocent and without having done anything wrong. The conflict of quite naturally and instinctively wanting to stay alive, but doing something that is otherwise morally wrong.
    And that is as few a words words as I can use.

  • @Josh23761
    @Josh23761 3 роки тому +1

    I like how the more O'Brien does for star fleet the lower his rank ends up being. He has juniors lieutenant rank pips here but in DS9 they changed him to be a non commissioned officer.

    • @Blackwind_Legacy
      @Blackwind_Legacy 3 роки тому

      He's always been referred to as Chief. That's an enlisted rank in the Navy. Insigna issues aside, he's always been either a E-7 (Chief), E-8 (Senior Chief), or E-9 (Master Chief). You never hear the word senior or master with his title, but I hate to think he didn't get promoted through over a decade of service. Besides Yeoman, we don't really see that many enlisted ranks in Star Trek. Almost all officers. Kinda weird.

    • @redzeppelin6
      @redzeppelin6 3 роки тому

      @@Blackwind_Legacy They never promoted the man that kept that shitty carddie station working for 7 seasons.

    • @oldtwinsna8347
      @oldtwinsna8347 Рік тому

      @@redzeppelin6 Not sure what you mean, he was the senior enlisted officer onboard. He ran the entire operations division of a space station, plus the Defiant, and reported directly to Sisko. That's a hell of an accomplishment.

  • @FireLordJohn3191
    @FireLordJohn3191 3 роки тому

    The music is added so brilliantly. As soon as Miles gets the tough part, the music comes back.

  • @1987MartinT
    @1987MartinT 5 років тому +7

    It must be strange having to work together with people you've fought in the past.

    • @ianfurqueron5850
      @ianfurqueron5850 3 роки тому

      It has occurred throughout human history. Name any two nations who are allies and they were once fighting and killing each other. Or vice-versa - current foes who were once allies.

  • @pattimcb31
    @pattimcb31 9 років тому +18

    O'Brien isn't my favorite but he always has very good scenes.

  • @finnmcool2
    @finnmcool2 Рік тому +1

    Some of the best writing in Star Trek is when the Cardassians are portrayed as real people. Some of the worst is when they are portrayed as cartoon villains.

  • @doubtingthomas6146
    @doubtingthomas6146 Рік тому

    I’m pretty sure this episode secured Colm Meaney’s role in DS9.. and probably was the reason STDS9 existed at all.

  • @tenkenroo
    @tenkenroo Рік тому

    The FIRST Ptsd experience. O’Brien after ds9 gets ptsd like 6 times over

  • @gwgux
    @gwgux 4 роки тому +1

    Damn...every time I see this scene, I'm reminded of the fact that I'll never understand what soldiers go through. I can hear the stories and see how it affects them, but I'll never truly understand it as they do and to say that I do would be a disservice to them. All I can do is thank them for what they've done in the line of duty and do my best in the civilian world so as to not dishonor what they fought for.

  • @srvfan454
    @srvfan454 5 місяців тому

    O'Brien was such a good man.

  • @DemocracyDiesInDarkness
    @DemocracyDiesInDarkness 3 роки тому +10

    That was when O'Brien first developed a taste for blood. After this incident he worked to switch to transporter operations so he could safely make transporter duplicates of his victims and then discreetly dispose of their remains. Rumor has it he has killed Riker hundreds of times.

  • @KH4444444444N
    @KH4444444444N 3 роки тому +1

    Admiral Cartwright once ruminated about Klingons becoming the "alien trash of the galaxy" but it's really the spoonheads that willingly fulfilled that role.

    • @oldtwinsna8347
      @oldtwinsna8347 Рік тому

      I believe the Cardies had a much richer cultural tradition before they militarized. The Klingons in contrast have always been a war-like species that embrace conflict. Cardies were spiritual and peaceful folks. Cardies also valued education, science, and culture. They have eidetic memories so would be a forceful counterpart in any debate. Meanwhile, Klingons favorite pasttime was getting drunk and banging their heads against once another to see who is more macho.

    • @KH4444444444N
      @KH4444444444N Рік тому

      ​@@oldtwinsna8347Bro. you wanna go deep? let's do it. The Hur'q ruined the Klingon Empire, before it existed. Then, Starfleet shows up 600 years later. The Klingon definition of Hur'q is "outsiders". Let that marinate...

  • @Makman1994
    @Makman1994 2 роки тому

    This one brilliant scene is much more mature than two whole episodes centered on PTSD from DS9 - Hard Time and It's only a Paper moon.

  • @andrewthorne3570
    @andrewthorne3570 3 роки тому +4

    Whatever happened to that guy? He seems like a great character

    • @jasontodd9
      @jasontodd9 3 роки тому

      Daro? Nothing. He doesn't even seem to be in any books.

    • @oldtwinsna8347
      @oldtwinsna8347 Рік тому

      I get the feeling he stuck around with the Cardassian military through the Klingon conflict and supported the growing civilian government movement once the Obsiddian Order was destroyed in the failed Founder homeworld attack. But once Dukat seized power, he instantly recognized this was not the Cardassia he wanted to defend. From there, he went AWOL and secretly left for a neutral world to live a new life as an author and critic of dictatorship governments. He held the equivalent of podcasts on the Intergalatic network, promoting peace, with over 50 billion subscribers spread over hundreds of different worlds. Later in the century, Picard joined in as a guest to promote embracing peace with the Romulans, that everyone should help with their evacuation plans no matter the past history of distaste they might have.

  • @theguitarvirtuosoforgod1152
    @theguitarvirtuosoforgod1152 4 роки тому +1

    So deep, that line.

  • @darrenskjoelsvold
    @darrenskjoelsvold 3 роки тому

    This was so well acted. Really brought O'Brien to life..

  • @engine22emt
    @engine22emt 4 роки тому

    This is my absolute favorite episode of the series

  • @tomrodgers6629
    @tomrodgers6629 9 місяців тому

    Best speech ever.

  • @CCJJ160Channels
    @CCJJ160Channels 3 роки тому

    1:55 - Glinn Daro: “So can l go ahead and finish your beer?”

  • @centrist1008
    @centrist1008 3 роки тому

    The music comes up at a great time.

  • @johnhazlett3711
    @johnhazlett3711 Рік тому

    This is one of the best scenes in the entire series.

  • @robinvik1
    @robinvik1 3 роки тому +1

    Writers: "You know what would go well with O'Brien`s PTSD? *MORE PTSD!!* "

  • @Alaninbroomfield
    @Alaninbroomfield 3 роки тому

    Excellent character development here. Very interesting tale.

  • @michaelmorton5698
    @michaelmorton5698 Рік тому

    And a few years later Miles O'Brien would accept a posting aboard a Bajoran space station of Cardassian design as Chief of Operations. A promotion that required him to give up his commissioned rank of lieutenant and become a literal chief petty officer. Nice retcon, Berman and Braga.

  • @Influx27
    @Influx27 3 роки тому

    Hate is the bond they share

  • @lizardking6135
    @lizardking6135 5 місяців тому

    This is the birth of the "Obrien shall suffer" meme writing

  • @albdamned577
    @albdamned577 Рік тому

    The episode you know this guy needs more airtime. too bad it is also the beginnings of "Miles must Suffer" idea.

  • @markmayo7397
    @markmayo7397 3 роки тому

    "I hate what I became because of you". The best line of that episode.

  • @spikeep6141
    @spikeep6141 3 роки тому +2

    See, now, this is a very interesting question -
    What Does it Really *Mean,* for An Enemy to want to drink with you and get you another beer in a Society that has no money, and where the alcohol won’t make you inebriated, unless you WANT it to make you drunk....?
    Sly Cardassian.....

  • @adlaidunn
    @adlaidunn Рік тому

    It's crazy how he could only tell this to some cardassian stranger

  • @ModestNeophyte
    @ModestNeophyte 7 років тому +6

    Is the actor who played the Cardassian here the same one that played Remmick, or possibly the one who played the Traveler? His eyes and lips look quite familiar to me.

    • @briansammond7801
      @briansammond7801 4 роки тому

      The actor is Marc Alaimo. The Cardassian character here is Gul Macet. In DS9, Marc Alaimo played Gul Dukat.

    • @Jarsia
      @Jarsia 4 роки тому +4

      @@briansammond7801 Thats not Macet. It's glinn Daro, played by Time Winters. It was his only trek acting credit

    • @willvgo2950
      @willvgo2950 3 роки тому

      He also appeared in Babylon 5 as a Minbari.

  • @jamalbaker4423
    @jamalbaker4423 5 років тому +5

    They continued the talk in O'Brien's quarters. Pillow talk.

  • @unclenurgle8281
    @unclenurgle8281 3 роки тому

    Now I’d you’ll excuse me I have to go stand in transporter room 3 for the next 12 hours.

  • @JonahBowe77
    @JonahBowe77 2 роки тому +1

    "The man just incinerated before my eyes." not a cardassian, a man.

  • @notused2118
    @notused2118 5 років тому +7

    O'Brien. He turns pstd on and off at will. Lucky him, he made a good spy.

  • @jamescoop8979
    @jamescoop8979 3 роки тому

    Hate keeps you warm when the rounds are flying but burns you up when they stop.

  • @mknaomidestiny
    @mknaomidestiny 3 роки тому +1

    Writers: "O'Brien has to suffer."
    O'Brien:

  • @Doonkough
    @Doonkough 4 місяці тому

    thank you writers

  • @davidkatz6197
    @davidkatz6197 Рік тому

    I'm wondering if this was the moment where producers decided Colm Meaney needed to have a bigger role in Trek.

  • @Rubyofthedead
    @Rubyofthedead 5 років тому +4

    Cardassian logic: "I was just following orders."
    Expect an outpost full of soldiers and weaponry. Find civilians and children instead. Still follow orders to destroy the outpost, knowing full well these are innocent people or just blindly obeying, trusting those in power to be right, rather than risk getting in trouble for disobeying an order. Selfishness above all.

    • @Skyebright1
      @Skyebright1 4 роки тому

      Reubenofthedead the Nazi excuse was also just following orders. It isn’t a good enough excuse

    • @laszlokaestner5766
      @laszlokaestner5766 4 роки тому +3

      Cardassian logic is always that the verdict/outcome is predetermined it is just the "how" that hasn't been decided. In this case it was deduced (incorrectly) that the outpost was going to be the launch point of an attack. To the soldiers taking part this remained the truth throughout even though they only found women and children because the guilt of the outpost had already been determined by their superiors. What the Cardassian here says "it was a terrible mistake" he is not referring to the killings but to the fact that the intelligence data was faulty causing the deaths of the civilians.

    • @christopherdean1326
      @christopherdean1326 4 роки тому +2

      All I can add to that is two words;
      My Lai........

    • @karamanid
      @karamanid 2 роки тому +1

      If Central Command says its a military outpost, it is a military outpost. Refusing the order would end bad for the soldier and his family.

  • @benburnside5049
    @benburnside5049 2 роки тому

    In the episode Counselor Troi sensed Obriens negative thoughts towards the Cardassians when they arrived. This episode is Awesome, but the one nitpick I'd say was that they didn't follow up on a scene between Troi and O'Brien

  • @Yaapo
    @Yaapo Рік тому +1

    O'BRIEN. MUST. SUFFER. MORE.

  • @lyncat
    @lyncat 3 роки тому

    The Cardassian he talks to looks like the actor who played the Traveler. The eyes and the head shape are the same.

  • @chiroquacker2580
    @chiroquacker2580 4 роки тому +1

    I get the feeling from watching the episode that if they went full tilt the Enterprise and Phoenix could have made it all the way to Cardassia prime and destroyed every city on the planet and the entire Cardassian fleet would have been on the receiving end of a Wolfe 359 trying to stop them. The federation / Cardassian war ended before the events of 'best of both worlds'. A lot of future problems could have avoided if the Federation negotiated the peace treaty with their boots on the Cardassian necks. "Every planet with colonies of federation citizens will immediately become federation territory. The Cardiassan Union will withdraw from all colonies, space stations, shipyards, and facilities that are within 10 light years of federation territory. Cardassian military vessels and any freighter carrying military assets may come no closer than 3 light years from federation territory unless they have special permission from the federation. In return, the federation will not use quantum, photon, genesis, trilithium, protomatter, or omega torpedoes en masse to send every planet in the Cardiassian Union back to the stone age.

    • @TheOnlyLonelyBoy
      @TheOnlyLonelyBoy 3 роки тому

      Two ships against a fleet? Probably not to that extreme, certainly, but open war would have been provoked by that act.

    • @oldtwinsna8347
      @oldtwinsna8347 Рік тому

      I doubt two ships would have gone very far. In the Klingon invasion of Cardassia they had very little time to mobilize yet were able to stop a massive Klingon fleet of angry, battle born Klingons, from conquering their homeworld; only outlying colonies were pulverized as we learned in DS9. It's likely that while the two ships would certainly have flattened some colonies and destroyed some ships along the way, they would not have made made a scratch to Cardassia Prime. Remember that the ridiculous lack of orbital defenses is a Federation installed policy due to the pacifists in the Federation council who will embrace being slapped around and bullied before they could put up defensive mechanisms. Cardassia had no such issues.

  • @kilroy3579
    @kilroy3579 Рік тому

    Colm Meaney kills it every time...great stuff.

  • @BigNoseDog
    @BigNoseDog 5 років тому +3

    O’Brien: It’s not you I hate, Cardassian. I hate what I became because of you.
    Cardassian: I’m not the one who gave you a phaser set to kill.

    • @hpa2005
      @hpa2005 5 років тому +2

      O'Brien: ".......touche"

    • @stevenweaver3386
      @stevenweaver3386 4 роки тому +3

      But, the Cardassians created the event where Miles had to kill, and afterward, keep killing.