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Join me as I react to boracity talk about a podcast episode from a major American newspaper where the hosts express what appears to be xenophobic views towards BTS and their success in the Western music industry. Let's dive deep into the discussion, addressing the misconceptions and biases while highlighting BTS's global impact. Share your thoughts in the comments and let's challenge harmful narratives together! Don't forget to subscribe for more reaction content and insightful discussions. #BTS #Kpop #PodcastReaction
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Girl forgot all the western artists peeing themselves for a chance to work with BTS, lol.
The very reason they even came up with their podcast talking about BTS is because BTS IS THE BIGGEST ARTISTS right now. Without mentioning BTS, no one will listen to their garbage! Let’s go Bangtan! So proud of the boys! 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Insulting other groups and belittling their efforts does nothing for BTS's image. Please edit your comment or YOU are a member of BTS and the real Army and want to create fanwar!!
As for this podcast's guest and its presenter... One is ignorant and I'm not going to give much importance to what he says, but as a journalist/music critic he MUST research his subjects better (if he is a journalist/music critic).
As for the guest.... Her attitude... You are copying It!
Apart from the fact that she didn't bring anyone contemporary to BTS or talk about other groups that are enjoying international success now such as Seventeen, Black Pinky,Twice, Stray kids, Ateez, Itzy, Ive, NewJeans among some names.
But she almost skipped the first generation as a wole like the TVXQ, The First Seo TJ &boys too. Or Eyed Brown girls or The others Second generation like WG or TAra or Kara.
@@Juju0LM Barking up the wrong tree and projecting, aren't you? Do not be a bully! I do not appreciate your ignorant assumption! What fan war are you talking about? I have not named any Kpop group/s because I do not know them nor do I listen to them. I only follow and listen to BTS. I am here for BTS. I am an ARMY who disagrees with the biased comments made against BTS by those podcasters featured in Boracity's commentary. Any intelligent person would probably agree with me that this video is focused on BTS from the title alone, "BTS and Kpop without the K"! I was warned about Kpop fans like you though...those who make their Kpop idols ride on the coattails of BTS every single time. It's pathetic! And frankly, that is not how it works here in the States. Stay away, leave BTS alone, and focus on your Kpop group, will ya! 💜
@@Juju0LMhow does someone saying bts is the biggest group (which they r ) is insulting other groups ???Why y’all get so butthurt over true facts which are obviously backtracked by their records and achievements and their contribution to the k music industry and sk in general ??
And why would she mention other groups when she is bts focused channel ,the podcast was about bts ???
when bts release english songs it's a problem, but when other kpop acts do that kpopies celebrate it lol
let's not pretend bts were the only one occasionally releasing english music in 2020-2023, that's really laughable 😂 bts were just the only ones who succeeded with it. that's where all the bitterness comes from, so kpopies are desperate to make bts's success an issue
"Thinking that my success has anything to do with your failure, you’re fucking great at being delusional" (c) Agust D, 2020
😂😂😂😂😂 girl I love yiu. Borahae
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they began to belittle, hate and attack bts and army from the very beginning of bts' promotion in america. even when the guys released and sang songs in korean. bts is not the first and definitely not the last korean artists to sing songs in english but they received the most criticism and hate. kpopies even ignores the fact that sm created an entire group just to promote in america. they hate bts because of three english songs, but at the same time they stan a group that exists only for hype and fame in america. double standards🤦🏻♀️
24:17 Exactly. It's just three English songs. If they don't like them, they should simply explore the other 500 songs BTS has already released
That was one of my biggest issues with this podcast. The main focus being on BTS 3 fully English songs and JK's fully English album. And simply ignoring all of the Korean songs BTS has also done over the last few years and the solo albums of the other members of BTS that were also in Korean. People seem to think BTS started to only make songs in English after Dynamite when that's not the case at all. My take is whether BTS sing/rap in Korean, English, or any other language I just want the song to be good.
All of this 👆🏻AND, how could they have that whole conversation and never once mention the difficulty non-English songs have in the Western music industry? Perhaps the reason they could only talk about the English-language hits is because of the racism and xenophobia of entire English-speaking countries doing everything they can to block and minimize the accomplishments of anyone singing in a language other than English? How is that the fault of the artists, and how dare they judge said artists when they say “okay, I’ll sing in English 🤷🏻♀️”. And then to hate on those efforts by saying “the songwriters are Western.” My response to them is: “YEAH, you idiots. Because these artists don’t actually speak English fluently!! Let’s see you put even a coherent sentence together in a language you don’t speak, let alone write a freaking hit song in it.”
TBH, I've looked at Big Bang a few times and it always just made me cringe. The styling, the slickness, the overwrought videos.
It was probably just the expectation of the times, and I know JK himself was inspired by G Dragon (who is a genius in his own right).
But if Big Bang had been my first intro to kpop, I would have confirmed that it was fluff trying to be tough.
I would have tuned out and never given any other group a chance.
BTS is not k pop anymore. They weren’t even supposed to be k pop. And never really followed complete k pop rules.
Like BoraCity I listen to BTS songs that are from the genre I love. But, I love BTS for their talents, their amazing personalities, their achievements, their love and acknowledgement to their ARMY, their wholesome and real personalities, humility, and their hardwork. I don’t see them any different to Western artists. They have received constant criticism from South Korea and the World because BTS don’t fill the niche they themselves put them in. I’m proud of our 7 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
I tuned into BTS when they were promoting Idol and Boy with Luv.
Now, I've NEVER been into boy bands, and I was the first to roll my eyes and be so high and mighty about my loftier tastes. But even in that era, I recognized that these guys were more than that.
Fake Love and Mic Drop were actually the songs that clinched the idea that these guys were way more than meets the eye.
The thing is that's BTS hater was never a fan of BTS she was and still is a Big Bang Fan. She wants to keep 'kpop' in her little box like some dirty little secret.
AWKWARD?! MIC DROP ?!
I AIN'T EVEN AN ARMY BUT MIC DROP IS NOT AN AWKWARD SONG
That says everything we need to know about the expertise of that so-called expert!
That self-proclaimed expert's voice is so annoying to me even with the speedup version. I always thought antis are kids, but I have never imagined it's an adult. She really needs to see a therapist. She is bitter her fav didn't make it as far as BTS so she would find anything to discredit them. All she could focus on were the 3 English songs. She's an expert, but she doesn't know Steve Aoki. Some kpoppies want to gatekeep kpop and keep them in a box. 😅
right they think they are some professors on kpop 101 history LOL so corny. the fact she made a video about it and had to put bts in her video thumbnail should tell you even SHE knows that no bts no clout. and at the end of the day everything the article said is facts, kpop without bts is nothing, and all these artists are trying SO HARD for that western validation and have become sell-outs, smth kpop stans used to accuse bts of bc they were bitter
24:17 you would be surprised by the LARGE LARGE amount of ex-armys who drifted away from bts solely bc of these few english songs. some even grew to hate them, and their argument it’s the same one as this podcast guest and host. they’re just ignorant
BTS has always been different than your regular k pop group. Singing in Korean doesn’t make you k pop
I think the 2 poscast people are not aware that english is the second language in almost everywhere (not all off course). English is taught in school or even kindy.
We were exposed to western music as soon as we were born. We conversed in english and our native language on daily basis but when a non english speakers sings in english then it's a problem?. I simply cannot brain this 😏😅.
jungkook did 3D with justin timberlack. BTS were never mend to be k-pop this has to do with the biggest company in that industry at that time the give the name k-pop to them. but real k-pop has only three genres and BTS had a variaty of genres thats why they are so unique.. they were made for artist for healing and connecting with their audiance
25:41 westernised? Kpop always was westernised as it took literally the music from the west, west producers, bought melodies etc...some groups got even into the plagiarism scandals. I don't understand what exactly people mean under "westernised" when talking about kpop. I need an example of "pure kpop" for comparison, cause they don't know what they want themselves and just throw word "westernised" as dirty word
The language is the only thing korean about K-pop, K-pop is a copy of western trends
@@Jing_Ling_Uncles exactly, but funny enough they don't complain about Japanese releases being "too japonised" or smth...i guess it all comes down to asian fetish
@@Jing_Ling_Uncles and you're correct! kpop isn't a genre it's an industry lol so yeah the only thing korean about it is just the language
I was about to comment that. BTS has always been ´outside´ of the kpop norm and with how she talks about BTS success at the western industry it seems like she (contradicting herself) accepts the fact that BTS is huge outside the kpop and paved the way for others. That may scare her because one person interested in BTS is gonna be JUST interested in them maybe because -almost- every group in the kpop industry are blantly dissapointing and she knows it.
29:39 i laugh at how she described kpop "sound" through costuming 😂 tells you a lot that kpop fans don't understand that kpop is not genre ofusic but a format of entertainment
I just want to say something. Before K-pop, there was zero ASIAN representation in the American music industry despite the fact that there are Asian Americans, but no one was like "We need to lift our Asian brothers and sister in this industry". The only time representation seemed to matter what for blacks and Latinos, but this goes back to history (Asians being viewed as sub-humans). As a black woman, I agree with and understand why K-pop includes Asians from other backgrounds. It is no different than us pushing for black people to buy from black-owned companies regardless of where the black people are from. It's literally just uplifting their community, but because K-pop is popular now, other races may want in on it and will demonize the industry out of jealousy. Hints Joe Budden's racist reaction to BTS despite knowing nothing about them. Or racist white podcast. They have gotten it from every end. I am in a good mood so I don't want to watch this bullsh*t but I wanted to give my random view on K-pop and why I choose to support it.
Justin Timberlake got on 3D for the digital remix. And Usher did the Standing Next to you Remix with JK. Western Artists are acknowledging them, and respectfully. I hated this podcast. There are numerous people that try to tear BTS down with their podcasts, and also the Media in South Korea, and the USA. There have also been Mexican and German radio and tv hosts that do the same. They just can't stand that a South Korean Group became so successful and popular. And BTS and ARMY have to deal with that all the time. It was really bad in their early days around 2015/16. And again when they became popular in the West. I have a hard time listening to it, because it's hurtful and unnecessary negativity, and it's directed at seven men that I care about and don't want to be hurt.
A big bang stand and hater of BTS for sure ..piss me off then that kind of unnecessary and unknown are considered as expected when she just not at all and soo unprofessional
If you want to get into their older songs I really recommend one day, like, coffe, look here, and boy in luv 😋😋
So funny people criticizing BTS saying they are desperate for western attention and bringing up always the few English songs they have lmao. Remember the amount of hate they got when they released Butter saying they changed and blah blah while literally ignoring the whole BE album that came after Dynamite 💀 If you don't like those happy English songs, that's okay, they literally have hundreds of Korean songs and many Japanese songs as well. Saying they stopped being fans bc of their new direction after listening one song lol. I mean of you are a real fan you should know how experimental and versatile they have always been. That's nothing knew but I completely understand when people unstan someone if their constantly find the new music boring, but if it's just like 3 songs that's kind of crazy lol
Anyways, Kpoppies are just bitter bc BTS had a huge success with those English songs while ignoring the other many times attends of other groups and their favs doing the same. The only difference is that they didn't succeed and most of them did have that main purpose of getting the western attention. That's why after seeing BTS at the top of the charts and making history, suddenly a lot of groups started releasing English songs or English versions of their title tracks. Many didn't even chose to do that bc the companies mostly take their artistic decisions instead and it's all about being trendy.
That's the difference and it's nothing wrong, but lying about BTS' clear intentions behind these songs... it's pretty stupid especially when your favs are doing the things you are criticizing so much. Armys know that Bangtan mainly did those songs to make people happy, even Dynamite was something completely unplanned so yeah... Either way I think hating for the language is so wrong..
English, Japanese, Korean.. those are just different languages. I see no problem if BTS or any other artists plans to keep doing that or even adding new languages, go ahead.
All I am going to say is most American don’t claim these type of “journalists”, most of us agree they are ignorant, xenophobic, close minded, etc. most mainstream doesn’t = what most citizens actually think.
I can’t stand that podcast even after only listening to the part Boracity played…
I am not a kpop stan. I stan BTS but I do like some songs here & their from other groups.
Same!
I agree 100%. I can only listen to BTS.
18:22 problem is jealousy)) i think everything icomes down to jealousy whatever form it takes for any particular person, they are jealous BTS can do so many genres and successfully when their other faves can't
Also, somehow, people think kpop is genre of music, when it's not, it actually got sound from west, of course it added some unique elements, but they were not something new, rap and singing in one song? - new metal did it first etc
I feel BTS fans are music fans not so much k pop fans. At least I’m not a k pop fan.
I love all Boracity magazine contents hope you can reacting more ..thank you 💜💜💜
I don’t like k pop at all. Only BTS. I gave others a chance but wasn’t feeling it. I prefer Korean independent artists
I’m not a k pop audience. Jungkooks album is a pop album. It’s not k pop . And Jungkook is better than Justin beiber
This kind of antis piss me off way too much
Westernizing K-pop is always something that makes me chuckle. How can you westernize something that is based off the west heavily? No hate to you. It’s just a term that’s been used so much as a tool to justify their hate.
Did u not get what Boracity was saying lol , Korea normally does not like k pop. They like music that is not k pop. It’s mostly the world k pop fans that like k pop
TXT DID NOT TAKE OFF?? TF DO YOU MEAN?? once again, not a moa, but be ffr
It's like saying Rihanna flopped because she is not Beyonce
Omg when I heard THAT comment I literally died.. like who sold out lalapilooza..who in the he'll is this so called kpop expert ..SMH!!!
That woman is clearly a bigbang stan and a bts hater. Her arguments made no sense, she kept on contradicting herself and showing her hypocrisy. She should just live in her own bubble and stop talking.. as soon as i saw that article she wrote celebrating that bigbang member for his release from prison, I knew she was just as problematic as her favs. Sad individual.
Boy bands normally don’t play instruments or even dance well. BTS members can play instruments and dance. Write music etc. they are no boy band
15:10 Totally agree with that. People want to stick with the norms and they don’t wanna accept when things change.
Would they said that ' business decision ' song about Beyonce's new song too? Her taking risk expanding her repertoire? No! They only apply this to BTS.
It doesn't seem like you got the point in boracitys video. Like she said BTS aren't really kpop and not all korean music or music in korean is kpop. There are many non kpop rappers, ballad singers, rock bands and even pop singers. Kpop is not a music genre, it's an industry that is more about the fashion, danve moves and aestetics than a common music type or genre. And Korea dorsn't really listen to the most eclectic styles of kpop. In Korea ballads that are emotional are always charting, not songs like many kpop songs that are mostly electronic witz nonsense words. Like what shr played before saying Korea doesn't listen to that and about which you laughed, those were kpop songs and not western songs.
Alos the whole "westernisation" of kpop is moot because most of tge music you think of as "kpop" came from tge west in tge form of hiphop, r&b, rock, edm and others. Kpop is culurally not inherently Korean and I think you don't understand that. The concepty in kpop have mostly nothing to do with things that are traditionally Korean it's just made by Korean people (and even then they often use western producers and songwriters).
BTS has worked hard to earn the success they have achieved. These people can barely talk about others without mentioning BTS. That itself is a testament of how BTS is the standard.
But we have Jhope releasing Neuron from his album Hope On The Street. Pls react to it when it releases.
I have never look at BTS as a KPop group. Ever seens I discovered BTS it's always BTS Group not KPop Group.
That's so stupid 😭
Okay- but what is westernized? Because the genres of music they do- like hiphop and r&b, or edm... they're already sounds that come from the west. I think when people say "westernized" they're saying they're not "korean enough" for them. That they're singing in english or not dressing "korean enough" for them. Like... really, what does it mean to be westernized? It sounds like they're just xenophobic because you want them to stay what you think is korean. When you're not even korean to begin with. It's a really weird take. Most of the genres in korea are the same as the rest of the world, they just don't want korean artists to be successful in the rest. (And that goes for any other "non-western" artist)
10:16 the "awkwardness" is in any other kpop group except bts, cause when other kpop groups try to rao, omg i feel awkward and like listening to bad parody. Sorry, not so sorry, but BTS has legit and best rappers in Korea, ither boy and girl groups just have parodies
Thank you 💜
Gurl the kpop "expert" was goofy af
the bitterness from those two stinks so much lmao they sound so pathetic it's making me laugh
Great reaction. And honestly who gives two shits what those ignorant people think lol.
big bang huh? ew
This is crazy talk. Not all KPOP is the same. Just using rappers as an example. Do RM, Changbin, Suga, J Hope, Han, IKON Bobby, Mingi, Hongjoong, SeongHwa, G Dragon, Zico, J Park etc all have that 'distinctive' KPOP sound? Nope, they all sound like themselves. There is a rap style for any mood you've ever had.
26:36 exactly you’re spot on
I actually don’t agree at all about, Mic Drop being awkward. These podcast ppl, obviously are no K Pop experts much less an expert on BTS. BTS is way above any “boy band”, definitely beyond K Pop, ppl agree otherwise they wouldn’t have the fan base. Again the podcast ppl are such bad hosts no real knowledge, stating opinions as fact. BTS has so much diverse music, talented. It’s hard for BTS & ARMY, so many haters, spreading wrong information, sabotage…sigh!!
You need to react to TXT - Blue Hour, Blue Orangeade, Cat & Dog, Crown, 9 and 3 Quarters (Run Away), LO$ER=LO♡ER, Lovesong (I Know I Love You), Magic
Just curious, why is there a Japanese flag in your thumbnail, if you're talking about Korean pop?
The Japanese flag is part of Boracity’s thumbnail for her video. It’s there because in the video she talks a little about how K-pop groups sing in Japanese.
@@catiecough2806 Oh gotcha! Thanks!
I have to say... they were somewhat correct with the word 'meaningless'. Sorry, but to be honest, most kpop songs are mediocre and repetitive, making it look boring.