bts and "k-pop without the k"
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- Опубліковано 24 тра 2024
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in this video, i talk about a podcast episode by a big american newspaper in which an out-of-touch host and a professional bts hater express--what i perceive as--xenophobic opinions about bts' entrance to the western music industry, their english-language singles, and their overwhelming western success.
Click with caution (do you REALLY want to give a stream to this podcast?): open.spotify.com/episode/6OaO...
FULL TRANSCRIPTION OF THE PODCAST:
x.com/aka_mo7/status/17318246...
0:00 intro
0:37 the guest
1:35 the ones before bts
5:50 bts' entrance to america
9:53 bts' "artistic shift"
19:48 jungkook's english album
24:00 americans' expectations for kpop
25:34 conclusion
a "music expert" saying she never heard of steve aoki is crazy 💀
Good point! I’m 68 yrs old and even I knew who he was.
Not everyone knows y'know? This is literally the most irrelevant thing you took from the video but sure.
@@thvsblanket Hardly irrelevant. If you're so bold to claim yourself an expert in music you should be able to recognize a very famous musician. You most likely do not tout yourself as an expert, so you possibly not knowing doesn't ring the same as someone ignorantly claiming to be an 'expert'.
@@thvsblanket I didn't know who he was either, but she shouldn't claim to be a 'music expert' if she doesn't know someone as famous as Steve Aoki.
@@thvsblanket i was just commenting as the video went on 😭 and i'm from peru and i know who steve aoki is, every person around my age knows who he is. edm went big in the mid 2010's and steve aoki has more than a few hits. regarless, if people don't know who he is that's completely fine, but it's different when a music expert is the one saying that
There's a reason why I, an American, never listened to "kpop" until BTS.
Same
This Aussie never listened to it either. Until Dynamite made me check out a couple of their other songs and those are the ones that made me ARMY.
me too! @@nikki4noo
You are on the right track.. K-Pop songs are rubbish .. BTS songs are on another level 😅💜!!
I don’t listen to kpop either, only BTS as well. I got into BTS because of dynamite. And it’s not because dynamite is their best song or anything, but it’s the only song I Heard on the radio from them otherwise I wouldn’t have even discovered them. So in that sense, dynamite did it’s job. I ended up diving into their music, and especially love their B sides, the songs that mainstream radio will probably never play and are missing out on. But back to kpop, the only other group I’ve been listening to is new jeans. They do have some good songs I must say, where it has melody and not using random gibberish words
"Maybe kpop is satisfied with its two streams a month" GIRRRRRRLLLLLLLL
I spat out my tea. She went for the neck.
😂😂😂 u are funny bestie
She never fails at clocking these people 😭😭😭
she brilliant @@hyemyg8406
That's pretty kind of her. We all know that KPOP only gets 1 per year lolol
"little knowledge is dangerous" and they kept proving it.
I laughed when they said "we're grown ups", could've fooled me since they talked like mean girls in high school.
with a side of ignorance and shit research
..and promoting such obvious bias is terrible journalism...
Shabbbash. ❤❤❤🙂🤌🤌🙂😭😍🙂
@@crystalsnow1138
Just mean people. Girls in high school are not necessarily like that. This is one more reason why haters shade BTS . 'Teen girls like them' as if being teen or being girl makes their choice of liking BTS a silly thing. This prejudice against teen girls is a ploy to invalidate their existence. Please try not to be part of such prejudice.
Some people's reactions to the English songs are exaggerated. They were three songs, not three albums. 😂
The percentage of BTS full English songs compared to their non English songs is literally less than 1% compared to their whole discography.
Which basically means ZERO percent.
Yet, kpop fans hate them cause they're too westernized???? tf
Bro, Blackpink as a group literally has an English album, and the percentage of their English songs compared to their non-english is literally more than 30% 💀 Even if we include JK's solo which is a full English album in BTS discography, their full English songs is literally still LESS than 3%
Which means according to the narratives Blackpink is far more WESTERNIZED or should I say more desperate for Western validation than BTS.
But no one will point that out. Cause even if kpop fans know, they won't point fingers at Blackpink or any other kpop groups. Cause their double standard is only for BTS.
I forgot to mention, isn't Super M & Blackpink the first Kpop groups to release a full English songs? But I guess it's not much talked about since only BTS's English songs are popular.
I live in the US. I listen to BTS but not Kpop. I had no clue BigBang or any other Kpop groups tried "making it" in the west. I had never heard of them. Unless you are a follower of Kpop, nobody here knows or cares about Kpop music. But they know BTS. There is absolutely no comparison.
That's true! I do listen to kpop but I have to admit you're absolutely right
I've heard of big bang, but BTS is the only group I listened to outside of the bands i grew up listening to here in the US
agreed, i listened to kpop far before finding bts (since 2012) and that was only bc i had korean friends who introduced it to me. even THEN, it was niche, no one knew of it, only gangnam style was known but as a one hit wonder/viral type of song. i was a fan then and i didn't even know that the wonder girls or big bang had attempted to promote in the west. it's crazy how they just choose to run with their own narrative
@@kearycemoore2256 I'd never heard of them or any Kpop group but I live in Europe.
This is so true. I work in the talent division of Viacom, which is MTV, vh1, Comedy Central, I can tell you that when so called Kpop came across our desks, it was dismissed, because even jyp or sm didn’t have any power.
This false narrative honestly makes me so angry. And the fact that this is NY Times and they're claiming to promote voices that "think critically about music" when she is literally just another pissy twitter stan who wishes her faves were at the top. Honestly, this has to be nepotism or some kind of family connection because how else would this unqualified person be allowed on such a big platform?
Right? Looking for someone to “think critically about music” and ending up with a bitter kboo VIP. Sorry NYT but those are a dime a dozen on Twitter and have been up in our business hating on BTS unprovoked for a decade 🙃
NY Times fired the reporter after many people debunk their hoax news of Palestine. NY Times is not mass media, it is propaganda from CIA.
Nyt is not so great any more they are more leaning towards popularity nowadays then actual criticism
I was wondering the same thing. Where did they find her, of all people? Has to be a personal connection somewhere... I can think of at least five big kpop channels that would have offered an actual objective critique.
@@brynish3427 literally, it's very suspicious
K-pop fans desperately want K-pop to stop growing. They prefer to stay within the realm of the craziness, bubblegum pop, and nonsensical lyrics kind of songs. By watching BTS, who keep evolving and experimenting with new sounds, they believe that BTS's achievements arise not from their crave of creation, but from their greediness.
BTS's uniqueness has led to people hating on them. This proves that when you try to grow beyond the norm, there are those who will try to bring you down.
Completely agree
yes it's like crabs in a bucket they pull each other down when trying to reach the top. In other words they stab each other in the back and then are left in on their own in the bottom of a hugh pit they'll ever escape from. Locked in their tiny world at the bottom.
@@eileencritchley4630 reminds me of ddaeng ( bit those were frogs in a well 😄 )
@@7toheavan4ever54 yes frogs in the well and crabs in a bucket depending were in the world you come from but it's the same sentiment. However the frog in the well is more akin to the Big fish an a small pond. The fish and the frog see themselves as the big thing yet are not really and need to get out of their small pond/well in order to see how small they are and how big the world is. While the crabs in the bucket don't care for each other they are only out for themselves so instead of helping each other out of the bucket they bascially pull each other back down and none of them escape so the crab catcher gets to eat them all.
I wouldn't call all of kpop nonsensical. There are great korean artists who shouldn't be stereotyped because of weird quirky title tracks in kpop. There are excellent b sides lyrics production and composition in kpop - take it from a classical musician of 13 years. Just like bts music shouldn't be stereotyped as mainstream just because of dynamite or butter. I think bts are one of the greatest artists in the world, to make it clear. But kpop shouldn't be put down to promote bts.
There are so many issues with this podcast. First of all they completely ignored talking about any of BTS Korean songs as a group and as soloists. They made it seem like BTS transitioned to only making fully English songs when in reality they've released a lot more Korean songs since 2020 as opposed to English. And out of the 7 members only Jungkook had a fully English album and that's the only solo album they discussed completely ignoring the other member's albums that were in Korean. BTS as a group and as soloists shouldn't have to limit themselves to the type of music they want to make and should be able to make music in any language they want. Also acting like NewJeans started the trend of combining Korean and English was odd to me. Kpop songs have been doing this for decades, it didn't start with NewJeans. Also all this bs about BTS losing their popularity in South Korea after the release of their English songs. I don't know what metric they are using but didn't Dynamite and Butter (2 fully English songs) win several song of the year awards in South Korea? Also winning Artist of the Year and Album of the Year for Proof- an anthology album and having a successful sold out concert in Busan in 2022. Then they had to be cowards and not mention their names because they didn't want fans hating on them. Well geez maybe if you didn't say dumb crap fans wouldn't feel the need to defend to BTS in such a strong way. If you're going to throw out the negativity don't be shocked when the same negativity hits you back in the face.
PS- Mic Drop is still a bop
Amen!!! 😌💜
MIC drop! 🎤
Dynamites populatity in s.korea was such an insane thing. Like butter also did extremely well but dynamite set up home camp on the no. 1 charts for MONTHS. On all music charts. It has over 1000 paks right? And is it still the song with the most pak in history? Their english songs did not affect their popularity in s. Korea it did the exact opposite.
It makes me laugh when people say BTS make English music now like are they blind? Do they only see Dynamite, Butter, and PTD and ignore the countless Korean songs they made before during and after the pandemic.
@@luluangelina2923 i guess they are blind or just refuse to listen and look
She's a professional BTS hater. Hating with a platform. I emailed to complain about all the underlying Xenophobia
Good for you, I was wondering why ARMYs didn't give them a hard time.
@@hoanhuynh7059 a lot of us on army twt banded together to email about it
That came through. I highly suspect she was probably one of the Antis that wrote terrible stuff about BTS on social media back then because they were taking over the shine from her favs.
Now rally up the American ARMYs to email their complaints too. Please do I want to hear her and the host grovel and apologise. Share the xenophobic podcast so that ARMYs can protect our boys.
@@hoanhuynh7059 We won't give that podcast air time by clicking on it. I do think we need to make a informed complaint to NYT's. I'm not American so I doubt they'd acknowledge what I want to say to them.
A Korean guy doing Justin Timberlake: Girl. That’s YOUR fave. BTS are doing BTS. No matter what language. This interview is a mess!
I was like: dude. JT jumped on JK's song with a remix. Jungkook isn't the Korean Timberlake, in the year of our lord 2023 Timberlake was the American Jungkook for a hot minute. Anybody look me in the eye and say with a straight face that N'sync trying to make a comeback at the time BTS doing the military service is coincidental challenge, istg.
@@JadeReloaded I was thinking that about Justin Timberlake, too. I couldn't help laughing at the ignorant irony of her statement.
Sometimes I wonder what planet some of these people live on. Because it certainly isn't this one.
@@JadeReloaded BTS revived a lot of old boy band careers, including JT.
completely agree and even then what's wrong with inspiration?? so many kpop songs in the early 2010s were inspired by western artists, like kesha, lady gaga, etc...and to only attack bts for doing it when theirs did it too? insane. sm groups have also done so many remakes of western songs but no one talks about that :/
theyre definitely mad that justin timberlake collabed with jk and not these other groups lmfaooo
I think people still haven't worked out that at this stage of their careers BTS DON'T CARE if you call them KPop, they DON'T CARE if you call them a boyband, they DON'T CARE about some random podcast and biased 'expert' that no one has heard of and even fewer listen to.
BTS are multi millionaires, global artists, loved by tens of millions and have achieved things few can even dream of through pure hard work and perseverance. AND after all that they are still beautiful, grounded human beings.
They just can't admit that BTS are the best at what THEY do. That is the mic drop.🎤💜
That is the truth. And so well said. Thank you.
Thankyou. USA believes they own and control music. I have followed. AMERICAN music since I was a kid, radio, then TV Shows. I discovered BTS in 2021 along with South Korean history and culture. BTS LYRICS and message from the 3 rappers stories in their rapping won me. I will be a BTS fan for ever. Just like I am a Frank Sinartra, Glen Miller, Elvis, Beatles and Michael Buble, Michael Jackson, Th B gee's, Andre Bochelli etc etc. fan. I love good entertaining music from many different genres. 👌 🎉 BTS are 7 extremely talented individual artists who belong to BTS 💗🩵💚💛🧡❤️💜
@@suzettedezilwa7486 USA believes... yes. Exactly. The US music industry has this persistent fantasy that US music is always the best in the world, because it's made in the US by US artists. The industry seems to feel that this qualification means that everything they do is just automatically superior, and that even a mediocre US artist is better than an outstanding foreign artist.
And they are absolutely wrong about that. Poor music is poor music, no matter who makes it; excellent music is excellent music no matter who makes it. But when one tries to tell the US music industry this, they cover their ears and scream "NOT listening, NOT listening!" And then they go change their rules and rankings and procedures so that US music always gets the top spots, and everyone goes 🙄 because we all know how that works and the only ones they're fooling are themselves. I'm waiting for the day when they decide they are only going to chart, spin and track US music. It'll be the final collapse of Billboard and US radio.
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@@ystrwnot USA, a certain group or some in the music industry.....BTS or any foreign group is successful in the USA because of support from people within the USA that are true music fans, so please don't generalize. As an Army that have listened to other kpop groups often there is none or very few songs to their discography with depth, unlike with BTS who often have deep depth to the lyrics and MV thusthe reason for their success. .💜
Did girliepop just call mic drop awkward? And that it owes it sound to Aoki? As if mic drop wasn't an OG BTS only track? Like if you're a self-proclaimed kpop expert shouldn't you at least know that.
Also, Ms Expert doesn't understand why BTS who have released tracks such as Silver Spoon, a lot of the Wings album worked with an EDM artist?
When people don't know on what basis to pull BTS down.
Exactly! Just all over the place!
And they will be like "then let me be brainless for a few hours"😂
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. Oh sorry they didn't have one to start with 😢🤣
The most important is let get the ARMY attention to make more listener for our channel 😅😅😅 cz ARMY will not let us pull BTS down😅😅
They just can't be bothered to actually research bts albums so they base their entire argument on dynamite
EXACTLY
Did everyone just forget they released the whole-ass album BE in 2020?
The SECOND album released that year from them.
And their anthology album too! Like that doesn’t exist for them? Three new songs in Korean. These people are willfully ignorant!
I cringed every time she called BTS a "chameleon group"? What does that even mean? Because if it's meant to imply that they simply follow trends and appeal to whoever is giving them attention, she knows absolutely nothing about BTS and should not speak about them ever again.
I think she doesn't know what growing and experimenting is because she likes it when artists don't grow.
@@luluangelina2923 omg literally... it's obvious that she's someone who cares more about surface-level industry "rules" than true art
She is a bigbang fan best not put too much thought into what she says. She just throws around words to sound good but she is clueless and a kpopie.
Following trends is the most normal thing in Kpop ever. It's just that YG has this one producer that defines their sound. And that has worked very well for them for years, especially with BP. But yeah, a (boy/girl)band is always much more than what their producer or manager gives them. The difference between Backstreet Boys and N'Sync is a good example (same manager & producer/songwriter in their hype phase). And to be honest, Westeners comparing Jungkook to Justin Timberlake is just so hilarious to me because they think that BTS will fall apart like N'SYNC or 1D when they actually have the team spirit of the Backstreet Boys which btw never disbanded in 30 years.
@@nehalilisays following trends is normal but my point is that bts hasn't been doing that. they've always gone in whatever artistic direction they felt best represented their feelings at that point in their career, because they actually have artistic power.
I am a 62 year old American grandmother. My then 7 year old granddaughter showed me Idol in 2018. We were hooked. Big time. ARMY4LIFE.
Whoever those American music “experts” are; they are way off base and downright wrong. BTS is NOT just a boyband. They all: write, produce, play instruments, dance, choreograph, act, promote South Korea, teach us to love ourselves and be good humans. RESPECT. Name 1 other boy band that does all that. And is taking hiatus to serve their mandatory military service at the pinnacle of their careers. Boom. Mic Drop. 🎤
I am 80 might be the oldest BTS fan, I start my day with them and end the day with them. Heard about them on NPR right before the country shut down it was Tiny Desk and I fell, happily into the rabbit hole. This podcast is nonsense, MIC Drop will never be awkward, Steve Aoki was not there for show but added to the collab. Why am I listening?
The way the podcast uses 'normal' really bothers me.
Like what is a 'normal' music listener?? Someone who enjoys Taylor Swift's 4 chords, NSYNCs basic preschool choreography or One Directions 3 melodies in the entire song. No hate to these artists by the way, just stating objective musical fact.
Well, I suppose the fact that BTS use complex and classically-inspired chord progressions is not 'normal' because western artists COULD NEVER.
The fact that BTS members rap 9.7 syllables per second with complex and skilled rhyme schemes is not 'normal' because western pop artists COULD NEVER.
The fact that BTS can blend EDM, hip-hop and ACOUSTIC GUITAR in a single song yet have it still sound cohesive is not 'normal' because western pop artists COULD NEVER.
Yeah, seriously though. The way this podcast thinks not being 'normal' = bad is such a clear example of subconscious xenophobic speech.
Another round of applause to you! Yes, I also thought the way they were using the word "normal" was problematic
10 million thumbs up for you. Well said!
The shade thrown at current Generic American/English artists in this comment is so great.
Best Comment on the page for me 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
I am screaming
@@emmamcintyre6997 I've got a lot more where that come from lol. I wish there were more videos comparing BTS to western artists rather than BTS to kpop.
100% True, I personally am sick of hearing about TS at the moment, thank god she has left my country to take her crappy tour elsewhere. UGH 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
BTS were shocked when their English tracks blew up. They were just trying to lift their own and others' spirits during the pandemic. Saying they did it as a craven money grab is such backwards logic. The songs were massively successful so it's labeled a cash grab retroactively. If the songs didn't do as well as they did, they would have said they were just failed attempts as a genre, not cash grabs.
Your point that the guest fetishizes KPop and doesn't like BTS because they got too big is spot on. She says multiple things that are straight up racist, showing her true colors. The host as well said he found KPop "fascinating" because of it's inherent weird and foreign nature to his ear. Again, fetishizing.
As someone who lives in America and has been a fan of BTS and Kpop, I’ve seen so many ex-ARMYs leave the fandom because BTS’s music has “changed” and they do English songs now. It really is just a fetish for them.
I’m not saying that you cannot dislike a song, but to say that bts are boring now and going for cash grab songs is fetishizing the group. You wanted them to be your quirky little secret, and now that they are successful and people know of them, you don’t like that.
Other kpop groups can do what they want. I like some of those kpop groups too. But if you’re only in it for your quirky secret, that means it’s your problem, not bts.
lol. Speak for yourself. It was a company move! How delusional are you?
True Artists evolve, you don't stay stagnant doing the same thing over & over again. Versatility is key when you have the talent for it
Correct.
Agreed. From a western (but non-American) standpoint, look at David Bowie. He went through so many evolutions during his career - starting with Ziggy Stardust And The Spiders From Mars. And it was that evolution - both reflecting the times, and setting new trends - that contributed to his incredible longevity in what is - quite honestly - a fickle business.
@@leahwarburton I was a Bowie fan loved his ability to not get stuck into a rut but branch out and try different things.
You can still be versatile even if you sing in your native language.
@@BTS_PerfectMan_jasmin Of course as being Versatile comes in many different forms, is expressed in many different ways that's the beauty of being versatile. That's the beauty of art in it's many and varied forms.
I am so glad that we have Boracity Magazine to defend BTS whenever antis put BTS down. Thank you so much for this video.
I srsly hope that she is able to grow her channel much more cause this is exactly the argument ppl need to hear
I‘m so tired of interviews like that where the host/ guest claim to know what they are talking about but are actually uninformed and act on their prejudices and xenophobia. Just last week i listened to a interview (not English since it’s not my native language) where they called the members „staged characters“ and that although the music is good, bts would create an „inauthentic illusion“ that’s (for the general public) not believable. Why can’t those „journalists“ do their job and research properly before they release such bs. And when then army calls them out, we are painted as these mindless, crazy 13 y/o girls that don’t have to be taken seriously.
the fact that they mentioned that first made me know they were just going to talk down about BTS before it even starts
If they only knew how smart army is and how we can sniff out and call out crap from any hidden place!
The last badbingbadaboom part was really funny for me. It really made sense of why bts is not kpop
Because BTS being Kpop is a bad thing? Please... Prejudice (about Kpop) pointing out prejudice (about BTS)
Right? Hahaha
@@noemibernal4882 it's actually my belief that BTS aren't kpop. I watched one of boracity's videos (I believe it was called why bts isn't kpop), along with some others and kind of came to that conclusion. It's because what we think of as kpop is called idol music in Korea, and a lot of the defining factors of idol music don't work with BTS. They fit in more with Korean popular music. Other artists like this include IU. So,in that sense, BTS isn't kpop as in what we think about when we hear the word kpop, but IS kpop as in music that is popular with the Korean general public.
@@ineeduenthusiast Thank you for your polite reply. I still think BTS are very much Kpop, as well as amazing versatile artists. Both. Because Kpop is not a dirty word
@@noemibernal4882 not saying kpop is a dirty word. I love a lot of songs by a lot of artists that are considered kpop, or idol music. I just believe that BTS' direction is really different from what you see in idol music, so I don't consider them kpop in that way.
Mic drop is not awkward! It’s one of my fav bops
That whole statement made no sense
FR! MIC DROP made total sense when it was released. BTS were getting a lot of hatred from some kpop fans and prejudice from racist westerners so they decided to clap back with a bit of a diss track/flex track. As far as their music goes, MIC DROP is nowhere near the 'hardest' rap song (see Cyphers) so why on earth was that guest calling it awkward? Maybe the English lyrics in the Steve Aoki remix? Idk. All I know is that instrumentally, the song was a pretty clear follow on down the Dope - Baepsae - Not Today line in dynamics.
It's awkward because it doesn't sound like BB😁
@@hasibahmdadnan??
@user-eg9ul8sn8b I think that they are saying that because it didn't sound like Big Bang makes, the group that lady clearly loves, Mic Drop would be awkward to her
less than 3months from now and every antis and haters will gonna have the start of nightmares again when Jin comes home😅😂 by then Armys around the world will gonna start the legendary countdown for the legendary comeback of the seven beautiful souls who've been put down by Jealous people since from the first day they step into the music industry💜💟
I listened to this shortly after it dropped.
I listened another time and took notes.
It honestly made me so upset I had to visit the Magic Shop afterward. 💜
I exchanged my anger for a different version of Jungkook’s album!
Perhaps they didn’t like all the songs on his album. Discuss that and tell us why. A few songs stood out to you? Explain. (That would have been much more productive.)
Whether you loved Golden or hated it, some things should be acknowledged:
1- The US does not own the English language.
2- It wasn’t an “attempt”- it was a very successful accomplishment
3- JK put out a 100% English album when he is not fluent in English. His pronunciation and enunciation is amazing.
4- He wanted to become a global pop star. English is looked at as a global language. So it makes sense that he would have an album in English to reach more ARMY as well as the GP.
5- Also, the album and singles have been incredibly successful.
Discuss that. Talk about how there are no boundaries in music. (You started to but..)
6-Talk about how music itself is an international language.
And regarding the “bridge too far” English Trilogy. I believe far more new fans were reached than left the fandom due to those songs. I was a new fan in 2021. I saw Dynamite, PTD, and my third MV was Black Swan. That is when I went down to the ocean floor with them and ended up in the BTS rabbit hole.
| I was a new fan in 2021.
Same same. I say that I came for the upbeat distraction of the eng trilogy I needed then but stayed for the 2!3! D-2 mono Abyss Persona Epiphany Promise Tear Lights Magic Shop Mikrokosmos.
But the complainers there still recommending some fun bops. 😂
Well said!
And same: I became a fan in 2021 with Butter, so thank you for those english songs for helping BTS music reach even more people!
Dynamite ARMY here and the algorithm recommended Mic Drop and then On Kinetic Manifesto to me. Those made me fall completely into the rabbit hole.
Brilliant points you made about why Golden should have been discussed by them and how they could explore that the xenophobia of the industry maintains that you have sing in English to get the "mainstream" success in spite of massive actual fan engagement in other languages.
They could explore the changes that BB made after Jimin got no 1 with a song not in English (it had an English version but the sales and streams were primarily for the Korean version). That would have been an amazing conversation.
The United States does not have an official language or languages and it has over one million Korean speakers. Not sure how the podcaster from New York, which started as a Dutch colony, missed the language diversity. Agreeing with you about it makes sense for any pop star to try songs in English to reach the over 67 nations around the world where English is one of the official spoken languages. Like, Nigeria or Australia or Canada. Jungkook tried to learn some Portuguese too when he was touring in South America so he's trying to reach out in so many ways. Anyway, I agree with you and you made good points.
I had my attention drawn by Dynamite in 2020, and though I enjoyed it a lot, it wasn't the song that made me decide to stick around. Those were Fire, So What, and Black Swan.
I can definitely assert that Dynamite, Butter and PTD drew in a huge number of new fans; when I subscribed to BangtanTV at the end of 2020, there were about 45M subscribers. By July of 2021...~7 months later... 55M subscribers. By June of 2022, there were 70M. And by Nov. of last year, there were 77M. (I took screenshots.) Things have slowed down during the solo era and the enlistment, and we're currently at 77.6M, but I expect that will soar again come 2025.
Weverse subs have done something similar; it's over 25M users there now, and when I joined up they had just about reached 10M...I remember the posts by admin celebrating both the 10M and the 20M marks.
So, yeah- Dynamite, Butter and PtoD served a purpose, drawing the attention of people who had not previously been interested in BTS and K-pop. And they served their other purpose very well, too, encouraging and cheering people during some incredibly difficult times. I'll always prefer the Korean songs, but I'll also always have a very soft spot for Dynamite, because without it I probably wouldn't have got to know BTS.
This kind of weird rejection of popularity has been the norm for niche music genres. When an artist or group in a very niche sector manages to cross over into the mainstream, the "fans" always accuse them of selling out and going commercial. I've seen it so many times, from Bob Dylan going electric to the present with BTS and K-pop. Setting aside the fact that Kpoppers never cottoned to BTS' success in the first place, sour grapes are a direct result, imo, of "their" music not being "special" anymore. It's not a distinguishing fetish if it's generally popular, you know?
This is so true. I am a 71 yr old American that has always drifted toward music that is dramatically different than whatever is current... ending up with mad love for Radiohead & Tool (for example) and a full on metalhead due to the lyrics/message as much as the sound. Over the decades, any group/artist that revises their genre has been attacked. Even I have done that.. when the BeeGees went disco (ugh) I was livid. Nickelback is still a joke to many because they *didn't* change their sound. With BTS, I amazed myself. I am definitely NOT a fan of pop. Period. But it is the back stories, the lyrics, the messages, and the PERSONS these boys *are* that captured my attention and love. (TBH, Butter and Dynamite almost derailed my closer look at them, but I finally understood the purpose of those songs).
BTS and Tomorrow x Together are entirely different groups conceptually and musically. One was never meant to replace the other. TxT is successful and has a growing fanbase, so their attitude towards them was unwarrented.
The disrespect towards TXT has me seething. Yes, the MEDIA had been talking about them as bts’s little brothers and the “pressure on them to succeed BTS.” But it was the media that was doing so both in Korea and America. With their debut and just their music and conceptual direction in general, they’ve proved time and time again that they are TXT, not BTS. I’m not a moa, but I know how hardworking and distinct they are. To call them a failed attempt at recreating bts is disgusting. Both groups have respect for each other and never have TXT tried to use BTS to boost themselves.
"Don't just ignore them to create the narrative that they've changed."
- boracity magazine
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Amazing video! I keep being baffled by audacity of some people to confidently speak about subjects they clearly have no knowledge of, it's astounding. Your breakdown is amazing
I agree 100% I am at a total loss so many times.
Yes, that was a very upsetting podcast interview. I remember when it came out, and was disappointed in The New York Times for airing it. I just can’t believe the amount of disrespect BTS has gone through and is still going through. Even as a fan of BTS I get ridiculed by my own family. The men of Bangtan Sonyeondan have done more than any other group to help and inspire people all over this world.
Mind you the woman has blocked every army aka they have run a chain block on BTS official acc followers, she has said that SUPERM will replace BTS bcz they have masculinity that BTS lack, she also has said that BTS concert are not good bcz there is too much diversity and instead of debating logically she run a chain block
Lol No wonder she gave major insecure vibes in the podcast😂
So she's basically a raging chronically online racist? Somebody tell her to go outside and touch grass instead of hating on artists on a podcast 💀
(PS : I LOVE BORALAND BC ITS SO DIVERSE, LOVE U ARMYS 😤💜)
The truth is a group like SuperM would never work long term because it's made of members from other groups and those groups are their first priority, not SuperM. And who cares about masculinity. I listen to BTS for the music, not for how they look (although it's an added bonus). And too much diversity? Ya, and what's the problem with that? This person makes no sense.
What is scary is that The New York Times allowed this to be broadcast. This woman knows nothing about (lmao) music period! Be it Kpop, Pop, or any genre. Remember she is a voice with no face (coward) and it's 1 opinion. Have a Great Day...✌💜
Is she for real?? I am sure her taste of music is s***t...let alone the idea of 'knowledge of music' she's got.
Man hearing her explaination of why BTS have 'changed' or are 'sell outs' makes me so glad that I fell back in love with BTS about a year ago. I first became an ARMY at the end of 2015 and I was in DEEP, I watched everything listened to everything. I remember so excited when Blood, Sweat and Tears got the most views in 24 hours for a kpop MV which was 6 million views which is crazy to think about now. But after the DNA MV which wasn't so story or theory based I was a bit disappointed (still loved all the songs though) and from then on I stopped watching videos of them and only checked in on occasion to listen to their latest album and watch any major performances. I still listened to and liked a lot of the music but didn't listen to the albums more than a few times, then the english songs released. I liked the songs but for my then distant fan ears it felt like a 'change' and a 'sell out'. again I still liked the songs but I had a preconcieved idea of what they 'had become' despite knowing how dynamic they are and very much different from kpop they always have been. I hadn't even listened to a single song on BE and PROOF (new song ofc). The last year one of my flatmtes was listening to Run BTS from Proof and when I asked what song it was she showed me the dance video and holy shit I just thought to myself "that's BTS, the BTS I remember" and it was like a switch flipped and I instantly realised that I had been missing out MAJORLY. It has been a blessing and a curse to know that I missed out on so much but I've really enjoyed catching up on all the songs and content I've missed out on, I am also now a proud owner of Proof and my many other albums that had been buried at the bottom of my wardrobe for way too long.
Please go listen to Dis-ease on Be album. You will love it.
BE album is very meaningful to them because they did almost everything themselves. There are videos of them going through the process. If you stan BTS, you just have to accept that they are real artists who evolved and expanded. I am someone who dislike artists of same genre all the time. I love BTS because I can count of them to try something else every time. Have you checked out their solo albums? I love that they have their own color in music.
@@mc_7_25 don't worry I'm all caught up now lol, I never properly fell out of BTS just had a slight lack of judgement part way through lol. I am a full fledged ARMY and was for a long time before I drifted, which was mostly due to focusing on other stuff like me last year of highschool and starting university. I am very much a veteran ARMY at this point lol
@@hoanhuynh7059 yep I've checked out all the solo albums and was anticipating Golden so much before it was released, don't worry I am very aware of how they have evolved and appreciate every era they've had lol. Only had to catch up on a few since I was there to anticipate August D and Jhopes first mixtapes.
Ironically DNA was the song that turned me into an Army. I do like most of their bubble gum pop songs but I also understand all those "sell out" accusations (so I do have a love-hate relationship with PTD). 2021 was a turning point for me because I don't like how corporate the company has become since Big Hit Entertainment became Hybe. And yes, I do understand that there is a certain pressure for them to establish themselves as part of the "Big 4" in Kpop - but was it really necessary to work with S. Braun? That was definitely a downgrade in the ethics department & therefore also in the image department. And it's not just about T. Swift and all the smaller artists who say that he mistreated them, it's also the mental health of Justin Bieber himself who is the best example of why we shouldn't make (underage) teenagers famous - for their own good. Kpop idols are lucky that they are still expected to graduate from high school, that they are usually in a group and that it's a big taboo for them to touch illegal drugs.
Whenever there are signs that some of the BTS members have an unhealthy relationship with food, alcohol or tobacco, it worries me a lot. But I also appreciate how open they sometimes are with it and how they reflect on some of their habits (I have very mixed feelings about Jungkook's drunk livestreams, lol).
What I was trying to say: There are a lot of things surrounding BTS at this point that stress me out in a bad way (not comparable to ticket sale hunger games). However, all my attempts to unstan them failed miserably and the best thing I can do is to just focus on the aspects of their output that bring me joy & wisdom 😊
These 2 Americans talking on this podcast is the real-life version of k-pop stan Melody from Wisconsin creating her monthly twt thread "Please put the k back in k-pop" while squealing over her "oppas". These people have no idea what k-netizens enjoy and how they feel, and they will never see otherwise.
I do encourage everyone to listen to the entire podcast, however, be prepared to be flabbergasted at the overall gall.
P.S. I had never heard of the female podcaster, and I have a small twt acct and doesn't get involved in trolling, twt wars, etc and she already had me pre-blocked in December, which it seems she does for anyone. So she wants to just give hot-takes and not have actual discourse.
She pre-blocked everyone! That was a crazy day!
That was so ridiculous 😂😂😂
To the 2025 BTS comeback!~
Let the dogs bark... The kings will keep moving forward 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
He said that Despacito with Justin Bieber was the most obvious thing in the world?? There's no fcking way, as a Latina, Despacito without Justin made all the sense in the world, Fonsi + Daddy Yankee worked like peanut butter and chocolate, the song was already a huge hit without Bieber, and I have no idea why he was added to the song for a remix, THAT was most definitely JUST a business decision and most definitely awkward.
The hypocrisy on this podcast, omfg.
to be fair getting Justin on the song (regardless if it was a business decision or Justin wanted to/fonsy & daddy yankee wanted him on it) gave the push it needed to get a #1 on the hot100 it otherwise would have never reached (thats speculation from me ofc i have no way of knowing but thats the way it seemed at least) and i agree that it was a very successful song on its own without JB.
That situation is similar to bts hopping on the savage love remix and getting another #1 on the hot100 for themselves, Jason Derulo and the giy who made the beat (im blanking on his name rn) which Jason Derulo finally admitted to recently giving BTS their flowers after acting like a dummy back in 2020. at least he saw the light eventually lol
« it’s how you perceive them, not how they really are » THIS
“Their two streams a month” 😂😂😂 I died at that
I think my comment was removed but I'll say it again. I think while it was funny, it was also a bit rude of boracity to say that. Like, kpop is a group of genres which have a lot of musical merit of their own. Many kpop artists are pioneers and have worked really hard to make their music, be it Bangchan's unique sound design and production skills, Zico and Mino's excellent rapping, IU's discography, DAY6's masterful use of harmony and xdinary heroes understanding of how to blend rock and metal with electronic production. There is so much talent in kpop that shouldn't be belittled and overlooked just to promote BTS. They can both be great.
Streams do not make one great. BTS were great at their debut, with good hiphop production and excellent, hard-hitting lyrics, but they got very very few streams.
Your comment us still up there somewhere. I read it. And the thing is that while i understand whst you r saying, most of bts fans have listened to a bunch of other kpop songs, am one of them, and there r some good songs and sounds here and there but BTS always stands out the most for us. So with all due respect to these other artists, while they r all kpop, to me and a lot of others BTS still more unique and appealing in general. And i didn't find that remark offensive and streams do count a lot. Every person who makes art wants it recognised by as many people as possible and make money from it. Good art and good sales should walk together, thats logically the artists goal, no?
@@machinelearner108i think you got this backwards. she's not saying they have low streams and therefore they're bad, she's saying there's a reason they dont have more streams, why they cant catch up to bts' numbers. obviously there is more than one reason, but those combined are what differentiates bts from other groups. you cant compare 100 underperforming groups with 1 group who's on top with what they do. at that point its a collective problem, and that problem is plaguing kpop. it's not saying all kpop is bad, simply that typical kpop is far away from bts and there are reasons for it. this wouldn't even be relevant if kpop stans wouldn't downplay bts, or claim their fav group is on their level, or above. kpop stans in particular are obsessed with numbers, so i find it fitting and justified to take a little jab at them. i just understood it as, its fine if you like kpop and dont want it to change or improve, but then dont complain about low numbers, dont waste your time on twitter raging how your fav group deserves bts' success way more, etc.
because thats exactly what those type of stans love doing the most, and this guest does too.
@ajlee2168 Ok I get what bora means now ig. I just don't think it is right to take jabs at kpop when kpop music is objectively far superior to western music which gets billions of streams. Leaving BTS completely aside and simply comparing kpop and western music, kpop has far more complex chords (augmented, diminished, sus, 7ths, 13ths), interesting chords progressions which actually fit the emotion being described, a greater variety of melodies and instruments. Kpop songs have 10-13 melodies on average when western music has far less. A lot more love and thought is put into the production of kpop songs, which have 200 or so tracks in the mix compared to the 40-50 max in western pop. The songs often may have meaningless lyrics, but aren't most western pop songs about break ups, sex, and exes or just general teenage angst?
And I think BTS is the best not just in kpop but in the entire music industry for the content of their music and artistry. I say this as ARMY who has only listened to BTS and classical music in the last week lol.
@@machinelearner108 i see your perspective, kpop songs have the potential to be more interesting, but i wouldn't say it's "objectively" superior. i appreciate when a song is more complex and tries something unconventional. there are many western songs that are very simple, but that, depending on your mood, might actually sound more pleasing than a "complex" piece, therefore i cant say one is objectively better than the other, it's still your subjective taste. it's actually the opposite for me, kpop has great ideas, but the final product will often sound messy and not enjoyable, i just keep thinking about the wasted potential. so while i appreciate trying more, it backfires for a lot of kpop songs imo.
for the lyrics, pop songs in any language have some random or superficial lyrics. but since kpop isn't exclusively comparable to western pop, but can be any genre, it's definitely overwhelmingly filled with nonsense lyrics. im a big rap fan and kpop rap greatly injures my heart at times lol. western rap parts in pop songs can be meaningless, but at least they're pleasant to listen to, have good flow, revolve about a topic or are just adding to the general vibe, whereas kpop rap is 90% gibberish, repeating trendy words, no interesting flow, rhythm or instrumentals to support it, and are generally just filler parts.
basic western songs might focus on sex, or love and heartbreak, but the lyrics, tho unimpressive, stay on topic or will make a few interesting word plays if you're lucky. whereas kpop generally keeps it very vague, to the point where all the emotions are felt through the instrumental, and none (or very few) are delivered through lyrics or vocal delivery. actually, a lot of kpop songs have fantastic instrumentals, but when listening to the actual song, its mostly ruined for me. i cant appreciate a great beat if they stumble over their words or just yell out 2 words repeatedly.
dont get me wrong tho, im not defending western songs, my go-to songs all focus on meaning and have great lyricism, but observing kpop over the years and also being unwillingly aware of western hits, id have to say its an advantage that im not fluent in korean, bc bad kpop lyrics are way more frustrating to me than bad western lyrics.
You represent BTS and Army the best. That’s all I gotta say. I’m just thankful for your existence, your knowledge and intelligence. Never stop making these videos!
💯💯 Yes she does 🙌
ARMY has been vocal about this since 2017: BTS stands apart from the typical K-pop group. While K-pop was often associated with chaos and superficial music, BTS breaks that stereotype. Their albums carry depth, and their music videos most often correlate to the meanings of their songs. Yet, one aspect that still links their music videos to K-pop is their use of engaging concepts. Those K-pop fans who continue to criticize them are simply unwilling to acknowledge this evolution.
I agree with you. Everything you are talking about happened before. Now BTS are starting to adapt more and more to the American music industry and are gradually starting to lose their individuality.They became obsessed with winning Grammys and billboard charts. They stalled (RM spoke about this at festa 2022). As soon as they became famous in America, they began to move further and further away from their concept of the bangtan universe, and then abandoned it completely. They podcast they talk about Jungkook's album because it was promoted very much in America. His album was presented as something unique in the music industry. Although Jungkook's album was an ordinary album among many albums of American artists. He did not bring anything new to the music industry. If only others The guys were also given PR, perhaps they would have been talked about more.
@@user-xu4kb7ci7fGood point. I think they are to some extend trying to please the hardcore fans, the casual fans and the general public with different releases and ways of promoting them. The problem I see at this point is that feeding the general public & casual fans too much with English songs/versions and superficial aesthetics with no deeper/connected meaning (Insta, TikTok, MVs) will grow a more superficial/immature fanbase that can barely sing along to the Korean lyrics and has no political & artistic awareness while taking away tickets & attention from longterm fans who are loyal but oftentimes don't feel at home in the fandom anymore.
@@user-xu4kb7ci7f well you are talking about it's okay to do stereotypical music at times which jungkook did as it appealed to him. it's not bad, not every music has to significantly contribute to the music world. but you are ignoring many of the other members who have released quite musically deep songs. also jungkook in bts as a group has also released many new concepts-every artist doesn't have to always be experimental but when they are being so it's ignored?? and it's promoted in the us because it's a literal cultural hub, every culture is a part of it. and we all just kinda access that from the rest of the world because it's not always possible to have a place to promote in every country. and us literally still holds an important position of globalisation, like american artists are readily heard by the rest of the world. multipolarism came but us still is a big centre of globalisation, given that almost everyone understands the language. there's a lot to it. i just hope we would stop pointing out artists so unnecessarily like this and have some productive discussions instead.
@@nehalilisaysit's okay to have different versions of songs, it's because the charts are hard on non-American artists. there's a lot to it. also bangtan never wrote music to please anyone. if you think otherwise, it's your personal opinion. but people feel connected to their music. if you don't it's your choice but don't speak on the behalf of the whole fandom. also fans are just fans, stop dividing them into different categories, as long as they are not harmful, they are fans
@@nehalilisaysI agree with you. It seems to me that before the main thing in the fandom was supporting each other and promoting amazing BTS songs and messages, but now it’s not BTS songs, but an attempt to keep up with the charts and views, to surpass American singers; the meaning of the songs doesn’t seem to be important anymore... Sorry, have you been an ARMY for a long time? What do you think about the guys’ solo activities? Sorry for my bad English.
Remember that Liam guy (from forever in your mind) said before that BTS should stick to their own genre (kpop?) and there should be an American or European boyband at the top?. Yeah...that's the core message that I get from the podcast. Stay in your bubble. The moment you stepped out, your music is bad.
When they sing in Korean, people say they don't understand. When they sing in English, they are no longer true to their roots😅.
The problem with the guest is that her favourite all time group is not the biggest. Else it would be different conversations already. 😂
For me music is universal. You can sing in whatever language you want. We have subtitles, look it up!.
I don't understand why people can't realize that people can evolve, experiment, and so on. Also, it's like it was okay as long as it was: "Waaaah! Jungkook's English is so cute!" era. When the boys stumbled over the words, had the heavy Korean accent when speaking English.
When kpop "journalists" correlate everything in kpop back to BigBang (or any other group, but we do see it a lot with BB interestingly) you just know that was their group and they literally know nothing more and everything else is just an enormous amount of nostalgia and butthurt about how they self-destroyed and how in fact it was BTS that ended up making it. She's not an "idol expert", she's not even a kpopie, she's just a random BB stan. I would be sad if I was a BB stan too, but she has to let it go... But hey if the NYT is interviewing random stans, who know nothing of kpop beside BTS and have no expertise whatsoever in kpop, but at least is not a bitter old BB stan, I'm right here...
Ten bucks she was interviewed because she knows somebody at NYT...
@@tokyopt
That's generally how things work. It's about connections.
@@NanciBK absolutely, that was exactly my observation. I'm a BTS fan and barely know anything about kpop outside of BTS, so everything regarding kpop reminds me of BTS, because it's literally the only group I know that well. But I also do not identify as an "idol expert" and I'm not being interviewed in a NYT podcast.
😄😄😄 I was thinking the same by the end of this. Could I get paid to be an expert on K-Pop by only listening to BTS?! Geesh.
Its sad.She must be seething seeing Taeyang and Jimin Collab for vibe
this whole video had me angry, not because of you queen, but because of that podcast im sick of that kind g of people, and surprise! Im also blocked by idolcast on Twitter when i never interacted w them
On one hand we have a host that doesn't understand BTS and then the guest who doesn't want anyone but BigBang (ignoring their massive scandals) to succeed in the west. Host understands how big they are but can't understand why and guest who knows how big they are but tries to "damn with faint praise" and neither seems to understand that "kpop" music isn't huge in Korea, but BTS is.
"K-pop" music isn't huge in Korea, it seems she does not know that even those who like K-pop will also listen to non-K-pop even English-spoken songs so whether the person is Korean or not I doubt they would care
Reducing anything BTS is and has done to a purely monetary decision is the wildest and most offensive take.
It's like 'they do it for money' when it's 'YOU who do it for money'
This chick is such a Big BANG fan. I don't know if the HOST gets that's all she really wants to talk about. She praises BIG BANG for singing a western sounding songs in Brooklyn and her voice sounds so laxidasical and unimpressed with BTS doing the same thing. Does she not hear herself? Her love is strong for Big Bang. I'm guessing she's in her 30's and conveniently has forgotten that, Former K-pop star Seungri was sentenced to three years in jail and that ended them for a while. She didn't like the fact that BTS took the baton from Big Bang and actually broke the glass ceiling into the American Music Market. The thing was, she is so twisted up. If she wanted to hear Justin Timberlake, she will listen to Justin Timberlake, not some Korean sounding like Justin Timberlake, Unless Big Bang was singing Justin Timberlake and then she would just do another 180.
That's wat I said too lol. If it was BIGBANG dancing at the Billboard Awards and a bunch of fangirls was cheering for them, she wouldn't be complaining...AT ALL. Also, why does she pretend like BIGBANG doesn't have many fangirls too?
Her real problem is her love for bigbang is weaker than her hate for BTS. With fans like this, i understand why their faves could never thrive
And now G Dragon has left YG (I believe the other 3 are still under YG) so they will not be releasing any more music as BB
@@cupcakenfettiIT is showing 😂😂😂 I mean how could you love your fave more if he is a criminal, so it makes sense to her to hate BTS. Since BTS is nothing like BigBang, *cough* a G*raper
how to admit to not know anything about bigbang nor kpop and just want to hate around and justify your hype train for bts.
Haters gonna hate, players gonna play!
Their biggest problem actually is, that BTS will always succeed even when the music industry tries their best to stop them!
1st of all because of their love and passion for their art, their thoughtful, meaningful and healing lyrics/messages in their songs, their loving and caring hearts, their bond with each other, their talents, their incredible hard work and their humble, down to earth, sincere attitude towards their work, their authenticity, their hotness and hilarious selves .....and so much more. All this will attract the hearts of many people.
And 2nd BTS got "Army right behind them when they say so" 😊 BangtanARMY will always be here to support, love, respect and protect our 7 forever artists, no matter what! We won't go anywhere!
BTS and BTSARMY will succeed together walking forward holding each other's hand. Against all odds and going up against the mighty music industry. We don't care! We will continue supporting BTS. BangtanARMY will never give up!
And that is what makes them mad. Other fans run away to other groups, but Army will always be here for BTS. 2!3! 🤝💜
APOBANGPO BORAHAE
Let them be mad. I don't care! We will keep supporting!
Love you OT7 BangtanARMY 💜
I can't wait for 2025.. and beyond. All I know is I will always be there, listening and supporting as long as they want me.
@@jumpsuitgirl3835 💜🤗 APOBANGPO BORAHAE
Wow. 😵
Thank you for this. I’m kinda gobsmacked… 😵💫 that podcast was bizarre. So much stupid…
Truly appreciate the work you do BoraCity. 🙏🏻 Another incredible job. 💜👏🏻
yes it was they were doing cartwheels and backflips contorting themselves to try to 'pretend' they really knew what they were talking about. When in fact, one had no idea and the other was clearly butt hurt that BTS are the Super group while BigBang didn't make it and had some rather problematic's members.
@@eileencritchley4630 Well put! 😂
@@noemibernal4882 Thank you :) but I've just noticed a number of grammar error's so I'm going to edit it.
Top performance, girl. You defended our young men; their music, talents and love for us and did a great job. Some people just want their 15 seconds of fame (and I mean seconds, because more is not happening 😂) by trying to pull down others who do have and will keep their fame for decades. BTS will be around for so much longer than his podcast career and her “expert kpop fame” combined. And true ARMIES will stay by their sides. Even if they make some songs that might not be to your taste, you can still stay a fan and listen to their other music. Just like you said, you don’t have to like and listen to everything.
And I am willing to bet that both of them would not recognize all BTS songs. If you would make them listen to one of the B-sides of BTS that is a little more k-pop or distinctly more A-pop without letting them know that it is BTS, they would say it just a good k-pop or a-pop song.
OT7 all the way. Love all their songs. Haven’t heard one yet that I don’t love or at least like.
Borahae 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Well, I intensely dislike Dynamite because of the lyrics which make no sense and because whenever you click on BTS you get Dynamite as their most successful song. They didn't write Dynamite, they just sang/danced to it.Their beautiful BE album nearly disappeared behind Dynamite. RM said he hopes new Armies will listen to their other songs too. So do I.
" im too big to fit in kpop category." - agustD
BTS was and will always be bigger than k-pop or any other industry their music has every genres ❤
By looking at the thumbnail, I just know that you'll spit FACTS and make kpoppies, multis, and some "armys" angry
I SUPPORT YOU 🎉💜💜
Is it “the kpop groups are big globally but not big enough to make it to the west” or “oh but they’re Korean and singing all English song so idk why they’re trying to appeal to the west” that guest needs to pick a struggle 🙄. Kpoppies will NEVER understand BTS and I REALLY hope this random unqualified angry Kpoppie had seen this
Is it just me, or when RM says, "we got the ARMYs right behind us," our shoulders get so high, and we feel a little bit more confident 😂
Butter, oh, how i love Butter 😭🤌
BTS english songs are so great, people want to bring them down for singing in english, if BTS' english songs flopped chart wise will they even care that they sang in english
Since they went to military I'm not on twitter anymore as much, but it's funny to see that eve when BTS are doing nothing they are still making some kpopies and westerners mad because of their sucess. XD Let's bring BS&T and Butter to 1B on YT ARMYs ! xD
lmaooo louder for the people in the back 😭😭 and thats what it really boils down to doesn't it. kpop stans especially are so mad at how NOT bothered the tannies are. They're just chill genuinely good guys who do their music, their performances, communicate with army and go about their business and that makes them MAD, makes them SEETHE fjfkfkdk thank god bts always protect their peace and differentiate the online from the real world
I don't understand what's wrong with the Western market. Why is it so surprising to them that POC (ig other than black artists) can have a break out and be famous worldwide (with actual good music too-) the UK and US think that the world revolves around them 💀 i also remember how kpoppies would hate on bts bc when they were popular in Korea they said the weren't in the west so they aren't well known ,now that they are, its all about western validation but now almost all kpop artists are trying to have a breakthrough in the US and UK market 😤 (sorry for my grammer, i do not respect eng, the language of colonisers-)
Dont be sorry .....Language of colonisers Lol.😂😂😂😂 .. So true even I dont want to respec
you know other countries have colonised too not to mention it was colonised in the past by other countries
@@MsKaz1000 Yes Yes I agree.... But as someone from India I found that sentence funny
You are right, language of the colonizers. Don't forget the Portuguese, the Spaniards, the French, Russians, Arabs etc. But English has become the global language whether we like it or not. And it is not a bad thing to be able to communicate. Not to like the American influence all over the world Boracity magazine calls xenophobia. Is it? I don't know. But cheer up, the next world language might be Chinese.....
I was amazed that nyt actually released this episode. It had to pass through so many ppls hands before it was released and no one thought it was a bad idea
Suga mentioned in Augst D, way back in 2016, that the K-pop category is too small to contain him. If she'd actually listened to their music, she'd know that BTS has always been bigger than K-pop. And when it comes to Jungkook's album, he has always said that he wants to be a POPSTAR, not just a k-pop idol.
*How I wish that this host from "The New York Times" would see your video and the tide of Army's who support BTS and why they are their fans.*
*Thank you so much BORA I was just looking for American people on what they think about Bts as a group or solos and you provided this episode on Spotify.*
*In short words this Kara(the guest) said that Jk's album was in English but they put a Korean face on it to grab as much audience as possible and she had the courage to say that America has Justin Timberlake why did they have to use a Korean in this? Wth?...ABBA was not an American group but they had songs in English and were loved by the whole world so why can't a "KOREAN" do that?*
*We know that the American music market is very demanding and very judgmental, however, BTS has worked hard to make an international name for themselves, even if the road has been very tortuous and we know that not all people will be their fans and follow them but this Kara like many others gave little chance to BTS and having no knowledge of what they are like as artists she would have little to say.*
I also think of someone like Shakira. She started out making Spanish songs and then started making English songs along with Spanish and no one says anything about that. Celine Dion too who grew up speaking and singing in French and didn't learn English until she was a teen. But I don't recall people complaining when she started to sing in English.
The comment from her was so ridiculous
It's not just this faceless voice that is under-rating Bts. Heck their own so called fans hate on them...On a daily basis! When I listened to Bts, way back in the beginning I always thought of them as a Great Non Kpop- Kpop Grouo and I still do. They're not your typical Kpop Group. I Love It That They're Not! Have a Lovely Day...✌💜
Her comment is straight racist.
How about KPop artists who are ethnically Korean but actually speak English as their first language? Like Woosung from The Rose, or Tablo from Epik High, or Yunjin from Le Sserafim, or DPR Ian. Are they also not allowed to do English songs that sound too white to her? How about any other American artists who happen to be of Asian descent? The US only speaks English because it was (partly) a colony of England. The US doesn't own English.
@@NanciBK Yes it is! That's why she only used her first name. She's nothing and doesn't have a vast knowledge about music. Enjoy the rest of your day...✌💜
Talk about ‘tell me you don’t know what you’re talking about without telling me you don’t know what you’re talking about’. For a conversation like they had they should had on a guest who actually knew the subject matter rather than just wanting to drag them down due to their own dislike of them. Boracity, you absolutely rock!✌️💜
I would describe BTS as a k-pop group without the Idol sound, BTS was born from the k-pop system but they never had an Idol sound
Everyone can call themself an expert nowadays and people are listening. The fact that that happened on a big platform is just disgusting
Good video
TXT was never promoted as BTS little brothers it was those kpopies calling them like that .
although the blatant ignorance in the popcast pissed me off like no other, i LOVED this video. I love all your videos and how much thoughtfulness you put into each of them.
As a Latina in America, I grew up listening mainly to rock songs. I was middle-age when I came across BTS and absolutely loved them. I have never really liked Kpop, though. BTS is my group now and I love all of the genres they sing. I never considered them to be Kpop. Thank you for such an insightful video. Right on!
You're Latina, but your name is Olga, which is Slavic? And your pfp looks like something a very young person would use - not a middle aged person, considering this is just a yt acc. Seems like BTS spreads lots of lies to paint their faves in a certain way - just like kpop fandoms of various have been known to fake local "interest" of a kpop Idol when they perform concerts or w/e, with posts "who's the ________&_" when we all know you're already a fan. This type of behavior needs to stop - just allow your ults. to grow organically - heaven knows BTS is 100% international and global. And most fans are young, as seen by concert footage. If you're the older fan who was in their mid 20's circa 2013-2015 no need to be ashamed, just be upfront you an old fan. Why is there to exaggerate BTS stats? They did this with NJ and I thought they were semi-viral and yet their MV views are so low? You don't wanna create false expectations like this, do you, that's only gonna end up embarrassing the fandom
that onomatopoeia kpop lyric section took me out! always love your well thought out essays.
Idc how many people have big debates on Kpop or mostly Bts, Bts became bigger than the masses expected and now Bts has become that group that is Dominated the American market even better than the boy band of yester yrs, So how dare Bts dont be the cutsey, stereotypical Kpop group and just stay in that lane. America will always have a problem with anything that's comes and knocks down the door they created. That podcast was a typical Whyte people downplaying anybodies success that doesn't have the same complexities lets add Bts proved how much of our music and talent, especially now, is medicore here in the states. Bts just proves over and over again that you can't box them, you cant get rid of them, and Whether they do Korean or English albums they are just that once in a lifetime GROUP they are bigger than Kpop even Bang Pd said he didnt know how he did to create such a phenomenon as BTS.
This!!!! You hit the nail on the head!!!
Yeah you are right
I want to add that there is no point in sh***ing on "boybands", "KPop" or "pop music" in general. It's an entertaining and group-forming exercise to argue about what "good music" and "real artists" are like. But at the end of the day it's about artists finding their audience based on taste, timing and sometimes politics as well. As a European who LOVES the Eurovision Song Contest I probably have a very different perspective on that whole "singing in English to appeal to the masses" thing (than many Americans who live in their US-only bubble) because on the one hand it's just legit because it can work extremely well (ABBA) and on the other hand there is an increasing amount of people who appreciate it if you sing in your native language because it's more authentic and brings in more variety. Well, you can do both. That's why I loved the Coldplay collab so much. It brought Korean lyrics to Western mainstream radio listeners. And that's a really nice way to use your English native speaker mainstream star privileges 😊
Yes, that's true, my universe was ironic. But I think bts's engish songs work better in this language because they are mainstream pop songs. My universe is a rock song and rock genre is universal and sounds amazing in any language. But hardcore pop sound seems unfortunately limited to english speaking countries. The vibes of this songs work better in English I think. But still though their performances bts can make this songs sound uniquely their. No one can present them like they do, not even original artists who come with this type of songs and that's one thing many often forget about. Bts lookes unique and cool in every style that they are trying. I think that's because they enjoy this different styles themselves and that's the reason of their passion and enjoyment in every performance.
I would like to cancel that podcast if i could. Iam not a kpop fan, iam a BTS fan and they need to know the difference
This revisionist history of trying to gaslight us into believing kpop was somehow mainstream before BTS and ARMY is wild
Let’s be real, most of us had only ever heard Psy - Gangnam Style before hearing BTS on the radio
Yeah. Never cared about kpop before I saw bts and even now I largely don't care about it still. Pretty wild takes if you ask me.
Between the two extreme views, lies somewhere the truth. I doubt people will agree and back up claims that kpop was mainstream, but it did exist in the west irregardless if you and any regular person off the street knew. Before talent is broken into the mainstream, they all start with with a small-medium underground fandom that slowly grows. Only I n d stry plants break overnight. If you look at Lana, for example or even The XX there were people in the in at a time before the rest of the population was introduced. You can say this applied to Big Bang and SM groups, as there are literal footage of concert packed full in Europe and North America. So as a BTS fan, to deny the growing popularity of kpop is just pure bias and deceit. Apart from the fact that Kcon in LA has existed for 2 decades if not more; the fact that there is a korean cable in Cali airing kdramas and korean content as far as the 90's. And not to mention the rise of interest in kdramas and breakouts into west like Parasite and Squid Game means of Kdramas have broken into and got acknowledged by the west it was only a matter of time before kpop would breakout too, irregardless if that was gonna be BTS or some other group.
But the biggest proof that you're wrong? The fine brothers reaction channel was fairly known in the yt community if you consumed yters content - this was the early 2010's, was one of the up and coming biggest yter channels among all other famous ones; and videos were getting up to a mil views, 6 digits in the minimum. And they had a segment where people reacted to multiple kpop videos - quite a few vids done. These videos amassed millions of views and introduced many western people to kpop before the introduction of BTS. In fact, Big Bang's Fantastic Baby was going viral withing the kpop community and saw a spike in views thanks to this introduction. Not to mention, as a long time yt user I can recall you from memory that around 2011-2009 (idr) one of SNSD's songs made it to the top of the front page of yt - which means it was advertised as trending video.
The kpop I n d stry put in it's roots for the eventual break out of kpop into west - BTS misguided fanatics don't understand that. That even without BST, kpop would've become a conversation in the west as PSY already broke once (albeit a one hit wonder). It's not a perspective of you failed, but a perspective of Korea was getting one step closer and closer as they were cracking the code on how to break. It's why Blackpink is massively big and recognized too - and it's not bc of BTS paving the way, but bc Blackpink was growing and spreading alongside BTS parallel to their growth. You have to understand that at around 2013 there was so many groups, medias introducing kpop were created and growing in views and visibility all parallel to each other. That's why Kpop's break was eminent - bc the way the music experience in kpop is programmed was to maximize getting fans and sparking intrigue, bc kpop is very addictive in every way and format. So to say that even BTS stumbled on this global visibility is ignorance and lack of understanding the marketing strategies employed. BigHit literally flew out to every small Kcon kpop type event they could find in random countries most of the world doesn't pay attention - just like they did this with Britney Spears in Asia afaik, and that's how she became global - because they advertised her as global rather than just for the western market bubble.
The host and the guest both agree that Jungkook and his Golden album is 💯 Pop and legit successful. They listened to it and loved it. They couldn't hide it.
No one comes close to BTS before , now, and the near future. They are THE MOST SUCCESSFUL and THEY ARE HERE TO STAY AS A GROUP no matter what others say.
Nope, their have been many artist before them that where way more successful please read about music history and the artist who defined it and made the GODDAMN STANDARD for every genre and artist after. So sit the fuck down.
Wow! Another incredible video. As newer fan (since Chapter 2), I never experienced the hate and dismissive attitude they got in their early career. But Chapter 2 broke something in the antis. Each solo album is relevant and interesting and successful. The members support each other, celebrate each other. This is not the story the antis wanted to hear. But it’s the reality they have to choke on. Fans like me, an old rock n roller, love this amazing band and more of us are made every day.
15:13 I'm OT7 forever and not MOA, but it's ludicrous that she's calling TXT one trick ponies ... they've grown a ton, are talented in their own right and have performed lollapalooza twice now if I'm not mistaken ... this on top of all the bs they're both spewing, I'm so so glad boracity that you're walking us thru this b/c i respect your knowledge base and point of view so much !!!
True I won't consider myself a MOA but apart from BTS, Txt is the only group that I have songs of in my playlist, because they have some really good songs I enjoyed, which if you look at don't seem to fit kpop standards. I dont know much of TXT, but I hope they keep growing artistically cause they are capable of doing great things.
Same for me - "LoveSong" is on my playlist - it's so good and namjoon helped with lyrics, what's not to like ...?@@glory5998
*BTS* were never “kpop” and will never be “kpop”
bc they were different from day 1!
that guest was rlly trying hard to deny *BTS’* success, poor girl.
boracity just a suggestion but wouldn't it be cool if you made a podcast too? i love how you represent our fandom in an unbiased manner. of course, it's just a suggestion. thank you for always standing up for us
This podcast made my blood pressure explode 🤬😤
But Bora you saved it ! Love and respect to you, once again 🙏💜 thank you
Borahae
Listening to part of what they said makes me appreciate even more why Latin American media made a big deal of a latin artist making it through the English-speaking market.
The elitism of some in that industry is bone deep, even if they're poorly informed.
Very sad!
First of all, thank you for another lovely video! Your views and opinions are always insightful.
I had heard mention of this podcast and the criticisms regarding it, which made me think it would just make me angry so I never bothered llstening to it, and I was so right!! Even the excerpts you put here were infuriating, not to mention straight up incorrect at many parts.
- The part comparing Mic Drop to a One Direction/ Jonas brothers' song actually made me laugh out loud, because in what universe does that make sense?? Have they actually heard the song?? Also, reducing Uncle Steve to just an EDM/mainstream pop sound when he blessed us with one of the dirtiest most amazing beats in that remix is doing him such a disservice!
- The disrespect to the queen Dynamite every time she is brought up in these type of conversations makes me so mad every time. The song is a bop, loved by soooo many more people than those that hate it, helped BTS reach an even wider audience (I'm sure all Dynamite era ARMYs are eternally grateful for it), and alongside Butter, is still charting in Korea's main music chart Melop top 100. So tell me, who exactly is arguing that these songs cater only to the west? It did so well in Japan charts too. This xenophobic view that only western audiences would like these type of songs is appalling.
- It irked me slightly that the host mentioned the Hot 100 No.1 run as Dynamite --> Butter --> PTD, when "Life goes on" came right after Dynamite and topped the Hot 100 chart as well. I'm not surprised though because all the people that like to talk about BTS "selling out" in 2020 always conveniently fail to mention "BE", their Korean language album which was a huge success. All because it doesn't fit the narrative that they are going for at all. Because it would not make sense to their agenda that right after the huge success of Dynamite, BTS released their most lowkey title track ever, a healing song mostly in Korean with a much calmer music video, and a whole pandemic-themed album, simply because they wanted to offer some comfort to their audience and remind us that we are in this together. They had an album with just one normal version, and an expensive deluxe version which would sell much lesser due to its price. But all of this did not sound chart-hungry enough, was the opposite of what these "critics" were saying they were going for. Thus, they never mention it. It's all so stupid and ignorant when I think about it at times.
But BTS don't care. And we ARMY don't care either. BTS stays successful releasing all the music they want, in any language, any genre, knowing full well they have all our support and love. Not just blind support from ARMY either, but backed by the knowledge that they are artists to their core, who have always given their all for music and given us quality music time and time again. They won't be leaving the top any time soon. We'll make sure of it 💜
Life goes on was one of the first BTS songs I listened to. It's so beautiful
I think you're right that talking about BE album would ruin the narrative those people were going for. And The entire BE album except the skit (which technically isn't a song) debuted on the billboard hot 100. BTS be doing wonders
I remember this podcast I never listened to it, but I heard clips.
I was so mad.Thanks for talking about it.
BTS will never be held back by all these fucking limits, expectations and boundaries.
BTS has always been real musicians with a desire to grow artistically and the "kpop box" has never stopped them and will never stop them.
The 2 main things connecting BTS to K-pop are the fact that they're korean and debuted from a korean entertainment company like other K-pop groups.
But BTS sound has never been defined by K-pop.
I also hope in the near future BTS' music will be classified properly into the genres it deserves to be in on all streaming platforms and not just kpop because its just ridiculous that some BTS' english songs are under kpop playlists and not under playlists that they deserve to be in
Even Seven was nominated as best kpop song for billboard music awards
I just hope when BTS comes back they won't squeeze them into those kpop categories on award shows and rob them of main categories..
My one desire is bts will keep growing and growing and if you don't like it, stay on your fucking lane, not releasing unnecessary podcasts that are of no use, cause at the end of the day, how did that podcast help anybody, even kpop fans?.. on a serious note if you learnt something useful from that podcast I really want to know.
BTS will sing in any language they like, promote in any country they like, create in any genre they like!
Thanks Boracity. By the way, MAKE IT RIGHT?? I loved it the first day I heard it, its one of my favourite songs ever, even beyond BTS' discography...This just shows how inclusive music-wise BTS is
I love your channel I hope it keeps growing and reaches the right audience
Once again,
I love this channel Boracity, well done great video🤌🙌💜
I have to add even BTS' korean songs deserves to be placed in their actual genres not lazily being categorised under kpop
Like aren't serendipity and singularity R&B songs
And I want to see Ugh and cyphers in hiphop playlists
Its annoying that non English songs are classified into genres of language rather than actual music genres because they're not English.
Thank you for this well made video! I wrote a super long text and then I realised... Agust D said all I had to say in Haegeum... 😼
As if BTS and ARMY would let the world tell us what is right and what is wrong... as if BTS and ARMY got where we are buy letting people tell us what and how to do us...
Thanks again for your time, your work is more than valuable to our community! Have a great day everyone!!💜
I'm so glad you've made this video. I listened to this podcast episode when it came out and could hardly believe the amount of journalistic laziness & outright malfeasance on display.
The New York Times' standards & practices when it comes to editorials are clearly biased; it seems they're even more lackadaisical about their podcasts.
The NYT are known to be racist and hate seeing people of color have any success, whether it be in science or in music. I remember them writing about bts a couple of times, and they’ve always been in a negative tone.
A few years ago, they mocked india and its space program with a VERY racist cartoon. Also, they have used rhetoric supporting white supremacy not even a couple years ago. Also, some very harmful articles targeting Mexicans (probably others in the latine community as well).
New York Times has a history of hating on people of color and this is just one of the many examples within the past DECADE.
Thank you for addressing this carwreck of a podcast! Thank you for spitting facts and putting that so called k pop expert(ahem Big Bang stan, bitter BTS anti) in her place and shining light on her skewed xenophobic thinking. Shame on NYT for letting such ill informed prejudiced people discuss a subject they clearly knew nothing about because, you know, it's only their opinion so you're in the wrong if you think this conversation is offensive. I'm appalled. Please keep making your content Boracity Magazine and continue to be our voice of reason!
So much to unpack here..
I can't understand how some ppl just sit down, pick up their own personal issue with BTS and try to throw it on everybody just so they can feel validated and belittle other ppl. It's just sad.
I have 66 yo, have asian roots, born and raised in South America, my 1st language is Spanish, at home a mix of an Asian language with Spanish starting learning English when I was 6, currently leaving in USA for about 21 years. I began to listen to asian songs when little but starting my teens I always preferred English songs and then starting the pandemia with so much time during the quarantine starting to listen to BTS as a nephew talked to me about them. Since then I am a very huge fan but I would like to say that as a standard person I love music in general and music goes beyond the language. Music is music to enjoy simple.
Now about the so called experts talking in the podcast are totally ignorants as they don't seem to have a minimum knowledge of music probably they couldn't even know how many notes exist. To talk about music you have to know extensively about music not just listen to a few songs here and there . Shame on them.
First... Excellent job! Thanks! I am relatively new to BTS. I shied away from them because K-pop was never my thing. When the algorithm on YT kept prompting me to watch BTS I "gave in" and I am so glad I did. I have gone full bore deep dive and I am blown away! I am an American woman with a very diverse taste in music. I never gave it a second thought about them being from SK... and honestly why would I? Their story is fascinating and their talent is undeniable. I don't care that it's done in Korean... or Japanese... or English. The appeal to me is the unique mix of genres, the messages in their songs and the fact that they ARE constantly changing, evolving and knocking down doors all over the place!! I can't think of anyone who has this kind of presence in the music industry today. I... personally, because I really love what they are and what they do and for how they bring so much value to my life, hope they don't get to far into the Western music industry. It's dirty and corrupt and glorifies everything BTS isn't. Hollywood and the American music industry is finally being seen for what it is... and if it gets it's hands on our boys it will try to exploit them and then discard them. BTS going into the service may be the best thing that happens to them! I am eagerly awaiting their return and I know that when they return the experience of being in the military and away from us will only facilitate the best chapter in their musical and artistic journey. God speed BTS!!
I don't know whether they know anything about (kpop or BTS ) or just want attention form us ......they even know how good BTS's korean songs are ......they are just focusing on english songs only and it really making me to understand that how sallow can people become to judge anyone without knowing their background and struggles...........
Boro you are doing good job by giving bts their respect and credit for everything they have given to this world
Why I feel Jin said "oh you're a joke guy" is a match with that expert woman??
When did I hear that from Jin anyway? Gosh... me and my age.. my senile 😮💨
My old age is doing the same to me, but I remember this one. It's from the carpool with James Cordon.
@@hoanhuynh7059 oh yes that's it. Tysm. Isn't it nice that at our age, we still have a chance to get to know the boys?
Love the brain fart emoji, took me a second to figure it out!😹
You are absolutely amazing! I love your take on this podcast. You made such great points WITH supporting comments straight from their mouths. Their arguement is similar to what I've been hearing about Beyonce having a country album. Even when Taylor Swift made her pop album, 1989, critics were doubting that she could do it.
CERTAIN media expects artists to keep one sound, which they would then complain that they aren't evolving. Neither one of them seemed to have any real concrete concept of what it must be like to be a musician, even with the host's "10 plus years" in music and the guest's self appointed k-pop expert title. As alwasy @boracity magazine, I love your takes on these topics. Keep up the great work!
Bora, your best video!!!!!! 👏 I am crying and laughing at the same time. THIS IS WHAT EVERYONE NEED TO HEAR!
THANK YOU💜
I'm sorry but as a MOARMY, hearing what that woman said reallyyyyy pissed me off. Both BTS and TXT are very talented and sucessful groups on their own, and in no way was one meant to replace/emulate/replicate the other. Everything about this podcast screams ignorance fueled by xenophobia and nasty fetishisation. This video was such a great response to such disappointing journalism on both the host and guest's end, thank you for your hard work!!!
Me too, I can’t believe txt is 5 years into their career and they still get this treatment. It’s obvious that they’re severely uninformed considering they’re laughing as if txt isn’t successful with their own concepts and music style. I was unaware of this podcast but I hope there is at least apology or statement, because why are you making a podcast about something you don’t know and completely disregarding everything BTS has stood for or done as ARTISTS.
i find it so bizarre when people say that they “can’t get into bts’ music" or that they simply "don’t like it". you can really tell that these people have only listened to their mainstream songs and have hopped on the bandwagon of hating on bts without giving them a proper chance - because if they cared enough to take a look into their discography, there would be, without a doubt, AT LEAST one song that they'd enjoy because of how diverse and extensive their discography is. not only that but there are also their seven solo projects which all differ in genres too. people are truly so closed-minded and it's sad, because they're missing out on everything the tannies have to offer 🤷♀
I did, and mostly I don't like it. I prefer Exo and NCT127, musically more diverse. I enjoyed 4 tracks of JK Golden album because it gave me old school Michael Jackson, JT and Usher vibes.
@@junglecat_ranteveryone has their own preferences and that’s fine 👍 what matters is that you’ve given bts a chance, and although you don’t like most of their music you clearly like SOME of their music which only proves my point that their discography can appeal to everyone and anyone, even if only a few songs end up being liked - there is a bts song for everyone
@@junglecat_rant lmaoooo sure dear
Thank you, my dear Bora, for another thoughtful and well explained video. I have to say that my blood was boiling listening some parts of that podcast, which I don't even want to know who the host and guest were. Today I was reading a little book and this sentence came out and I think is just perfect "Let's stop leveling one another and begin building one another up". Leveling behaviour is born from a feeling of incompleteness or low self-worth. it is a choice that some humans make when they feel they are not quite as grand as someone close to them. So, instead of praising the other, they seek to bring that person (BTS) down to their level. Love to BTS from Uk.
It's very simple: BTS made history. They’re true legends whether you like it or not 💜 Thank you for this video. It was a very interesting video❤
Yo no tengo que preocuparme por el estilo de canciones que los chicos han echo o haran en el futuro, porque me gustan todas sus canciones y generos! Si, es verdad que admiro todo el esfuerzo que BTS hace al cantar en diferentes lenguas y la felicidad que brinda a ARMY de diferentes paises y la satisfacion de sentirse mas conectados a ellos no tiene precio! 💟💟💟💟💟💟💟😘
I'll admit I thought this vid was gonna be why BTS isn't actually kpop (even tho we know the guys don't care about being labeled that, it's what they trained in) cuz I personally find them to be broader and more artistically creative. But I can totally see why this was what the vid was about because that podcasts infuriated me and these "kpop experts" have been really pissing me off since Festa 2022. They have gotten extremely bold and made their biased alliances known. I literally had to mute the podcasts sections cuz I couldn't bring myself to hear their voices again but I did take in the info for the videos sake. It's crazy to me that Kpop fans are mad at BTS for making it big or making it "mainstream" but they seem to be also mad that it wasn't their own favs that did it instead. Pick a side, do you want it to stay your niche thing that only you few enjoy or do you want your favs to be on top/mainstream instead of BTS make up your minds. It also irritates me that many seem to gang up against BTS, they seem fine when another group is "winning" because at least it's not BTS. I fully feel like there seems to be more hate for BTS then love for their own groups. I've had a lot of eye opening things happen since Jin first started his service in the military and I will never forget how our guys have been treated since then. I'm over a lot of this stuff at this point and want people to get off their dang coat tales at this point...shoo.
Now I have a mental image of cleaning fairy Hobi pushing haters off BTS's coat tales with a broom going shoo, shoo! Thank you for that it made this podcast lark tolerable!😂
The haters are always giving second hand embarrassment, they NEVER fail. This person, the guest, said so many things that don’t even make sense that made me uncomfortable.
JK has been named by singers experts all over the world "the perfect pop voice". I’ve see countless vocal coaches saying that he’s perfect for the pop sound and he proves his point with his album Golden. He always said he wanted to be a big pop star, he made it. BTS made it to big pop stars. Let haters cry about it while BTS continues to give us quality music and artistic concepts
In all these comments, all I see is JK this and JK that; sorry, but there was another member who broke through first and who achieved #1 first and broke records; he is also hugely popular globally AND in the U.S. and his music is STILL charting right now, one year later. But I guess if we ignore it, it never really happened, right?
@@ArmantoAlex13 I’m not comparing the members between themselves. The video talked about JK and I mentioned him. I support all 7 of them. And to be honest JK’s album is my least favorite among the members but I can appreciate and recognize talent and hard work
@@ArmantoAlex13 that's really not the point. Jungkook is being mentioned because he was mentioned in the podcast, and the conversation pertains to him. Jimin released a song and album in Korean, so it doesn't matter in this context (not saying that his achievements are unimportant. He's my bias and I'm really proud of his accomplishments, but it doesn't need to really be talked about right now). Honestly, your comment feels a bit solo stan-ish, you feeling upset when others are bringing up JK's records and needing to remind everyone that Jimin did stuff too isn't a mindset of an OT7 Army.
@@MBella123 JM wasn’t talked about enough in this video - as if HE had zero success in the U.S. He actually reached #1 in the U.S. with a song in the KOREAN language! He wrote, composed and produced his album- and THAT was hard work. It’s like nobody recognizes what a monumental achievement that #1 was and that just blows my mind. It’s a pattern with both the label, that under estimated him in solo era and now completely ignores him and Army who seems to ignore his success for what it is and blows off projects his fans have organized to reach realistic goals. It’s really quite sad.
@@ArmantoAlex13 This video being about JK doesn’t take away the achievements of the other guys. Stop being petty and annoying. If you’re solo stan I’m not even gonna keep this conversation because I’m always gonna be OT7
I was actually excited to listen to this podcast when it first came out, but it didn't take long to realize there was an agenda to create the narrative that BTS were "sell outs" due to their English discography. The guest claimed to be an ex BTS fan that took issue with their music direction for being too westernized, but praised New Jeans for their western appeal. At best it was poor reporting. You touched on the most hypocritical parts. I'm not opposed to a critical review of BTS. Afterall, we are allowed to have our own opinions. But a hatchet job is not acceptible toward any artist who puts as much effort and thought into their craft as BTS.
As an an 58yr. old American , I absolutely am appalled at the ignorance and lack of intelligence these two so-called experts exude.
Especially with the crappy attitude that shows through with bias, envy, and bigotry. My opinion has always been that BTS came out of Kpop and was not born into it. The rejection by the industry was harsh for the same reasons that these two clowns are continuing with their negative narrative on who, what, and why we love BTS.. Trying to categorize these 7 individual genius artists known globally as Bts is impossible.. Yes they happen to be born in the country of Korea and therefore are infact of that origin but that is where the similarities end with other cookie cutter kpop groups.. they are their own unique genre with their own path that no other musicians in the world today can emulate.. especially kpop.. the coattails are out of their reach as the industry tries but fails to climb to their reach.. why?? Because they are not kpop in any way shape or form from the beginning.. It is the path through the industry that they made for themselves as they had to tread through to uncharted areas to find their audience. They made their own map far beyond the borders of ROK to a worldwide global audience who can appreciate and relate to their beautiful music and message..They are also the kind of humans we can confidently call as role models who bring hope and inspiration to fans with treating us as important as they are in our lives.. No one group is so well rounded to encircle the globe in a big hug full of love than these 7 humans.. pun intended! 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜