OLED screens are NOT for Everyone…
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- OLED screens are great at least for smartphones, but they're not for everyone because of one rather big problem...
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OOO that intro!!! Damnnn really interesting to learn about all of this! Amazing video bro! AND YOU'RE KILLING IT!!! ALMOST 10K WOOOHOOOOOO!!! 😁
Haha thanks man!!
That’s right, really close to 10K 😄
@@imSpixel Samsung is still making phones with LCD display especially pls TFT display. You're not checking for the A series because every android budget phones from Huawei, honor, Redmi, Samsung, vivo, oppo, OnePlus, realme, Motorola still use LCD IPS panels. IPS maybe an outdated tech but I'll prefer IPS over OLED all day
@@imSpixel heyy whats the song name of the intro?
@@imSpixel hoax video
How would I know ahead of time if I’m sensitive to Oled displays? What if I have bad eyesight as is would that make me less prone to this because I can’t see as well?
People can't actually see it, they just start feeling symptoms when they look at the screen.
agree
100%
What symptoms did you feel ? It hurt my eyes and made me feel dizzy i had iphone 8 plus when i bought 12 pro max i could not use it more than 5 min before i felt dizzy and nausea .
Yes, one of the symptoms are headache and nausea which I'm suffering from.
@@Med-rb7lksame ,, it’s really sad
It's not entirely correct that 10% of people can see flickering. They can't, but they get affected by it nonetheless. For example, to me OLED screens look great. But after a couple of minutes looking at them I get eye strain, motion sickness and even headaches. 10-20 minutes is enough for me to become dizzy for an hour or two.
And I suspect that more than 10% of people are affected by the PWM. Some of them use the phone daily, get migraines because of that, but they don't know what caused them and just continue to suffer thinking that nothing can be done.
Ì am shocked I've been to three Dr's having ocular migraines and dizziness no one ever said any thing about this thank you for your comment I never associatedthe dizziness with the headaches
@@Coxfaimilyhomestead Sadly, even doctors often don't know about these things. But the good news is that if it was the cause of your migraines, you'll start to feel better soon after you stop using OLED.
I like oled its my favourite screen because other displays gives me a headache and Hurts my eyes on LCD display because must be because of the blue back light but the amoled is so much worse for me I find the lcd colours hard to focus on because everything seems to have a blue tint but I am colour blind and the way LCD display are it just makes it harder for me to see colours as good everyone has different eyes and I did research on LCDs and oled its crazy how different people are affected by the displays
@@Coxfaimilyhomestead the same for me, I spent a ton of money to figure out what’s going on with my eyes and only one doc out of five asked me about my phone time. So I started to google about the screen type. It’s not ok because we have standards for home lighting but not for phone screens.
to me, most every screen i see is flickery.
PWM was a problem for LCD screens as well 10 years ago. It was just cheaper, apparently, to control brightness with LED backlight flickering instead of using DC current. With OLED the problem is that the "coloring" layer and the backlight are one and the same. LEDs. And it's difficult to retain great contrast and color accuracy on an OLED screen while using DC dimming.
Hope manufacturers figure this one out, as the return of the PWM problem is not fun.
Thank you SO much for covering this. PWM wrecks me. Being limited to LCD in 2023 means I'm stuck to budget phones. I'd love a high end LCD phone without PWM as would MANY others
Apple and Samsung should give us a LCD option at least. For older OLED iPhone some LCD replacement display were available!
I believe currently, as far as purchasing a phone that still uses lcd technology, the Asus zenfon 6 might just be the best option.. 🤷 Apparently it also has an easily unlockable bootloader..
Iphone 11 and china-only Xiaomi Redmi Note 12T Pro. Yes, it had to be that exaxt name. Not Xiaomi 12T or not a Redmit Note 12 without the T. 😂
Or wait for tech that reduces pwm on oled screens.
Yes, I suffer from it, and the story begins after I moved from the LCD screen of the iPhone 7 to my new iPhone 12, which has an OLED screen. Within twenty minutes, I had dizziness and pain inside the eye. And feeling sleepy. And I went to the doctor, and he advised me to leave the phone, and he told me that it was because of the radiation of the screen, and here I thought of going back to my old phone, iPhone 7, and as I expected, all the symptoms disappeared. I discovered later that the technology of the OLED screen turns off and on millions of times, and this exhausts the eye.
Conclusion: I bought the iPhone 11 with the LCD screen and I am very happy knowing that Apple is still producing and selling it.
You can buy iPhone SE 3rd it’s really good ! iPhone 7 battery and everything is not good anymore. New SE 2022 is very fast and you can do more things .. if you want bigger phone with gestures then get the iPhone 11
This deserves a million view so that smartphone company does something
Thank god somebody else is talking about this. Reviewers unilaterally treat AMOLED screens as good and LCD as bad.
It's way more nuanced than this.
As someone who can't tolerate OLED displays, my choice for a smartphone is mostly limited to the lower midrange as there is almost no high end phone with an LCD.
well there's an iPhone 11, which is a LCD
@@zenithchan1646 With iPhones you have the 11 and the SE. I don't really like iOS but after a couple of years of using lower midrange LCD androids (A Realme 5 Pro and Motorola One Fusion Plus), I bit the bullet and bought an SE just because of the great LCD screen.
@KingmanificationLots of people still have vision issues with the XR and 11 including myself. Had to return my 11 for an SE becuase of this.
I don't get it I love OLED screens they just look so much better, looking at my VA LCD monitor it feels like I'm looking at fog with it's low contrast. Never noticed any flicker
@@Mart-E12 it's fairly individual thing though it does affect everyone, some notice, some don't
I'm one of the 10%.
I switched from an iPhone 12, to an 11, because of the PWM.
The 13's seems to give me less trouble.
The only new iPnones with LCD are the SE, and 11.
I bought an iPhone 11 Pro a few years back. I loved it. But after a week my eyes were a mess. I sold it an got an iPhone 11 and all the symptoms disappeared. I would Lillie to upgrade but am afraid that I will waste my money.
@@TheRunpoker 11 Pro is using oled
Me too
I'm also facing the same issue with Samsung s23 . When I moved from one plus to Samsung. Not sure what screen one plus uses but it's good
@@lprashanthi7298what oneplus were you using previously?
This issue needs more coverage, it affects a LOT of people. There's an almost 300-page thread on Macrumors about it and various other tech forums dedicated to finding 'safe' devices that won't wreck your eyes. I'm using the SE3 right now with no issues(great phone, highly recommend it), but I'm afraid Apple and other manufacturers will abandon LCD altogether at some point. This phone should last me a good long time but I don't know what I'll do if there are no PWM-free options once it finally dies. Hopefully micro LED will be available by then. I have sent feedback to Apple about PWM and I encourage everyone else with this issue to do the same. You'd think for a company that's so big on accessibility, they'd offer DC dimming for eye health.
What’s more scary is in 50 years when you walk on the streets and everything is oled. Your car dashboard, bus stop ads, ads on buildings. Car front lights. The minute you step out of the house from our archaic lcd. They’ll have super duper oled that has hardcore PWM to make 10% of population go nuts. While the other 90% didn’t get migraine but later learnt they were turned into zombies via subliminal messages via pwm.
in theory, it will make iris muscle contract to frequent.., makes eyes feel tired, dizzy. You cant see it, but you can feel it. I heard there are clinical experiment research that showed amoled or oled more challenging vs IPS lcd to your eye via pwm flickering mechanism in hongkong.. i forget the researcher but thats the result from their experiment
What phone is that ? SE3 ? Which company ? I have problems with S21 FE5G Display.
@@schnickschnack4030 Apple SE 3 :)
You can always buy extra iPhone SE just in case your current will die. Just don’t wait for this to happen.
I'm also affected by PWM. Unfortunately it eliminates all great OLED screen smartphones for me.
I’m one of the 10% who can’t use OLED due to PWM making me ill. UA-camr Aaron Zollo has this issue too. LCD iPhones are getting rarer and often older ones have to be chosen. Aaron has said the new iPhone Pros with 120Hz screens do give him less trouble.
I went with an iPhone 11
@@truthhurts2149 good
@@truthhurts2149 it’s the best
@@Littlefish1239 am getting one soon
I really like oled screens but I get what you mean because an amoled display gives me a headache and hurts my eyes im not sure if it's because I'm colour blind and I don't see some colours right but a oled seems better for my eyes and a LCD display I'd probably take a stroke or something because the display is just terrible for my eyes all together and make me not fell to great
because of this reason I am downgrading from my iPhone 15 plus to the iPhone 11. I've suffered headaches and have felt dizzy as well as eye strain. awful.
Thanks for covering this underreported topic. I can see the flicker but OLED screens rapidly damages my eyes giving me painful eye strain and making me unable to focus properly. I would really like to know if there is a difference between OLED scenes on this issue.
Your voice is so nice to listen to! Btw there's a thing called DC dimming. Only drawback is that it increases screen noise in lower brightness levels.
Ohh…interesting, I’m gonna look more in to it :)
Thanks for letting me know! 😁
What is screen noise ?
@@Cal_is_the_goat reduced sharpness and shifted colors iirc
Yeah dc dimming is the king to look for. It's extremely rare in smartphones: only one or two models from OnePlus had it once. But is more common with tv's. So if you're looking for a tv, go for budget Sony tv's as they typically use dc dimming. Lcd tv's can give you just as much pain as oled smartphones. Some tv's go all the way down to 120hz pwm flicker on lcd screens. Luckily with smartphones, lcd's aren't an issue
Also thanks for bringing this to everybody's attention. Not nearly enough people are talking about this
Bad IPS can hurt your eyes too. Switching over to a dc dimmed oled phone fixed this.
i'm one of those and i tend to only use LCD screens or oled screens with DC dimming option i don't see it i just feel sick and having migraines
Meh I sold my iPhone 13 because of screen flickering and bought iPhone 11, this is bad that we have no top modern phones without pulsating
Oh my god! U just addressed an issue that none of my friends accepted when I noticed Oneplus lockscreen flickered.. it literally gave headache to me looking at the screen’s unlock animation.. thank god I still use iPhone 11 with LCD panel
LCD wins for longevity. No bs green lines, no burn ins, and cheap to replace.
I’m amongst the 10%😢
how it feels like bro
The iPhone 13 Pro was the first OLED phone I could use without eye strain. I still keep my 11 around just in case.
Use your phone and record a video on the screen to check if it flickers... if not, congratulations, but if it does, you should limit its use!
The screen burn in is my biggest turn-off to oled, i have an iphone xr and will only use lcd panels
I am one of the 10 percent and I never was able to use Galaxy Nexus and Galaxy Note 3
Decided to give AMOLED a chance after a while and bought a phone with one of the lowest AMOLED flickering on the market(on par with iPhone 13) - Poco F4 GT
Really wanted to like this phone and it was real good, but I just can't use it
After 30 min of looking at it, my eyes starting to feel like they are sanded, muscles behind pupils starting hurt, so as the brain itself
It is crazy that manufacturers go on with this experiment just leaving people with sensitive eyes behind
What are we going to buy? There is no good phone out there without AMOLED!!!!
Very informative! Thank you so much !
Thank you so much for this!! I’ve been driving myself crazy feeling this symptoms!! I was suspecting it was the screen but really didn’t know why!
I m 1 of them.... Can't use OLED...
Eye strain... Headech
Is there a way to test if oled bothers you before you get a new phone? I currently have a 7 but am thinking of upgrading to either the 13mini or the se3. I know the mini has oked and I don’t want to find out after spending like 700$ that it will make me sick or give me headaches.
I have both of those phones, I've had zero issues wuth the SE3 but the 13 mini did give me headaches.
This is very interesting! Especially bc i dont see that flickering, but whenever im in my bedroom, in complete darkness, and ive been looking at my phonescreen for a long time, and when i turn it off, i do see sone kind of flickering. But as soon as i turn on the lights in my room, the flickering stops, and this is a interesting!
Heyy there iphone xs are now available in online or any retail shops?? New one not second hand
Thank you so much for covering this subject! I just recently found out that my favorite daily-driver phone, the Samsung galaxy s20fe has PWM, and has been causing significant eyestrain> I'm currently looking to ditch my current phone in favor for one that uses some form of anti-flicker. I used to have the LG v60, and the G8 after that, and never had an issue.
I’ve been seeing this on my phone 📱 I actually thought my phone has a problem
iPhone XR lcd vs oled which one looks better for videos like UA-cam?
You're almost at 9.69k subs, nice! great to see you grow from 700!
Lol 😅
I suffered oled pwm only with the iPhone 13mini but iPhone 14 didn’t I wonder why?
What's your opinion about the LTPO OLED screens. Are those better than the original OLED???
Bro can you tell me how it can be solved??? Using a projector??? Or using a LED monitor???
Another UA-camr mentioned that DC dimming removed the issue for him. Then they software updated it to force PWM dimming, and he started having issues again. This kept happening with all devices he bought.
So clearly all they have to do is give us a software option to choose PWM and DC dimming. I assume DC will require more power and causes more wear and tear. That said, I'd rather have that Vs headaches and feel physically sick after using an OLED TV i.e for extended periods of times.
Let me remark that I never had any issues. This came gradually over time.
To decrease influence of PWM on your eyes
- use iPhone with the smallest screen size
- use it at max distance away from the eyes
- set it to max brightness
- use black theme ( it greatly decrease the pwm effect )
Thank you very much for the information. Actually I super have suffered with OLED screens and finally went back to iPhone 11 with an LCD screen.
Do you happen to know if the new iPhone 14, or iPhone 14 Pro has solved this problem?
It cannot be solved unless they turn off PWM flickering. But they wont, because if you turn it off, then OLED screen will tint, burn out and become unusable within a month of regular use. It such a great looking display, but doesnt last.
Hopefully in the future the individual pixel can be made with something that doesnt deteriorate so fast, so PWM can be turned off completely.
just got a new iphone and it gives me eye pain in 10 minutes =(. gonna have to bring it back, whart are my options? anything better than an iphone 11? android?
iPhone SE 22?
lovely video! Thanks for honesty to reveal the data of your research
Bro what Video Editor are you using?
@Tech Vault
Does pwm flickering happen on tvs as well ?
Not on LED but probably on OELD tvs. Although I don’t know for sure 🤔
the assumption a lot of people have is LCD = cheaper/older hence OLED = better but having used both i am team LCD!
Great Video. I have a iPhone 8 Plus and looking to upgrade. Went into the local OPTUS store (Australia) to check out the iPhone 13. Soon as I sat my phone next to the 13 it was like night and Day. I hated the new phones OLED screens. Not sure if it was the flickering but it didn't look as clear or as vibrant to my eyes. No idea if I am in the 10% or not. I use a 27inch 5K iMac which is LCD and it looks awesome. Having said that OPTUS have a special on for a brand new iPhone 11 at half price. I might go for that model as it uses a LCD display. Thanks for the video.
I get what you mean but I like oled has been my favourite screen but I have other problems with other screens and the amoled display really hurts my eyes and gives me a headache and the LCD Hurts my eyes but not as much as the amoled everyone has different eyes but I am colour blind can't see some colours as good
@@tyicbranch2734 I ended up getting a iPhone 13. Have gotten used to the screen but it’s not as good as my older iPhone.
@@TheHuski a oled is a better quality display with better colours and oled panel's emits less blue light its why the colours are off on the LCDs and oled has more sharpness of any given image its why most people likes a oled screen LCDs can get blocked or broke pixels but the oled screen while the oled only needs some pixels to lite up the screen but some people can see flickering in oled screens I can't but some can you can and you can mess with the screen colours on the settings and change the screen colour a bit to make it look more like a LCD that should help with the flickering and everyone have different eyes so it's why some people likes oled or amoled or LCD but lcd are only used on really cheap phones now or if a midrange phone are trying to cut price's down on a phone but I think people should have more of a option when it comes to a display so thay can have the phone thay won't with the display thay won't
@@tyicbranch2734 I’m getting used to the iPhone 13. But I do prefer the LCD screens. Just my preference.. Still I don’t stare at my phone for hours so it’s not that big of a deal.
I am on 10%
Headache,migraine
I am using iPhone 13 pro max
Planning to return
Any solution
Great video. Thank you for posting. This seems to explain the underlying physiological response and why it causes pain. I am also one of the affected. OLED PWM and temporal dithering both hurt my eyes really bad.
This is such a big problem. I had to return so many phones before i learned about pwm. What is really strange though is that i have no problem with older oled screens such as S7Edge. I lieterally can look for 6 hours straight on my S7edge. But if i look for 10 mins on a S22 or Iphone 13 or whatever i am finished. I feel like passing out or vomit or smthn very strange feeling which is hard to describe. If you now look at the pwm frequency of the S7edge it is low as 240hz. Just like many other phones. So it is not just the frequency i feel like. But i understand not enough about the whole screen technology to say what exactly the culprit is. It is so frustrating not to be able to use all the new shiny phones.
It's not so much that you can consciously see it, rather your brain registers it and causes headaches, nausea etc.
I think it’s the opposite. LCD ones don’t take in that much power so they are better for battery
@Stefan Vladica Not that LCDs have the pixels on, but the backlight.
I get terrible eye strain from oled. Not so bad on iPhone 12 but Samsung's screen on the 23 ultra is killing me. One plus ce 3 lite. Samsung A14, a Nokia? What's the best LCD phone at the moment?
Great video ,which one should I buy Iphone x or Xr
Xr but the X has an oled display
XR if you don't mind having one of the largest phone bezels known to mankind
Hello. I am having a big problem in deciding on what iPhone to upgrade to after 6 years. I currently have the iPhone 6. Regular iPhone 13 which has PWM and OLED screen, I have never used before. Scared of effects or symptoms. Or normal iPhone 11. I don't really need the latest and greatest. Please advise? Thanks.
Get the iphone 11, I think it's good for you.
is it about auto brightness feature? i just dont get it
if it is about that feature
there is an Off button no?
Yep…I’m one of the 10 %. Just tried to switch from my 11 to a 13 pro. Within 10 mins I had to turn it off bc I felt like i was going blind. I’m back on my 11 now. Not sure what to do bc all the new iPhones are all oled screens.
Yep I just switched from Pixel 6 Pro and S21 + to an iPhone 11 I hope it is easier on my eyes
@@truthhurts2149 yeah I don’t know what people like us are gonna do if they don’t fix this issue with oled screens. I just bought a 2nd iPhone 11. Hopefully the companies have an lcd option or fix the oled in the future!
@@zacht678 i switched from 7 to XS and its kinda bugging me but im getting used to it i guess
I thought I was crazy with my new Macbook Pro M3. My eyes started straining (vision becoming blurry), and other migraine symptoms began flaring after minutes of use.
I returned the MacBook today and now have to look for an alternative..
Wait I just realized that the screen on the MacBook was "Liquid Retina XDR display" or Mini-LED. Is PWM issues only exclusive to OLED screens? Because I experienced all the symptoms mentioned when using the new M3 MBP.
Nice to see your channel grow been here since 4k
So...I am currently stuck with a iPhone 7 Plus. We are being forgotten by smartphone manufacturer with not much choice of an upgrade
Would a phone from honor with 1920 pwm be a good idea
Hi, I have an iPhone XS and when the pixels go from being off to grey or dark blue they are quite delayed to turn on, leaving a purple trail on the UI. Does anyone know why this is or how I can fix it?
Sounds like you need a new screen
I’m not great at tolerating the OLED that is in my Oculus Rift CV1 but I love the OLED on my iPhone 13 Pro. Not sure what’s up with that, maybe it’s just the VR headset itself that makes me nauseous after a while.
This is the reason why I stick to my iPhone 11. Also, I had an OLED Nintendo Switch that has this issue and the grint tint. I sold it bought a v2 instead.
Thank you for covering this! Nobody talks about it and it's a huge issue for those of us who are affected by PWM sensitivity. For me, I can always tell right away because I strugle to focus on the screen and keep focus. It's like when your camera is focus hunting but it's my eyes trying to lock focus on text. That leads to immediate eye strain and tension headache. I have a XR and I don't have any problems with viewing that screen at all. I've tried the iPhone 12, 13 and now 14 Pro and all have been returned to Apple because I can't handle the OLED screens. Each year I hope they changed something that will make it tolerable but they don't. So I'm still using my XR and hoping Apple keeps at least one phone in their lineup with LCD displays.
You forgot iPhone 1that it has the same weight and size compared with XR. But you will get an ultra-wide camera, 4GB ROM, and Bionic A13 CPU.
I did the Same😂, keep return it .. XD . But you can use iPhone 11 , much faster and better camera and everything else just see the specs .. it’s a very good upgrade for you from XR.. night modus are there and many more things ..
My OLED tv start giving me eyes strain and a terrible headache i tried to lower the Pixel brightness but with no results i can work with my phone for hours with no issues just the lg oled tv do that to me and i don't know how to fix that.
i can solve it if i turn off the oled motion ?
Unfortunately your going to have to buy and LCD TV.
Very useful video 💪 keep it up 🔥
I noticed this while watching reviews of the Galaxy S23. Some cameras UA-camrs use have captured this flickering and it got me concerned. Even though I probably wouldn't notice this in actuality, I was afraid of how it could negatively affect my eyes without my knowing just like you mentioned.
Don't buy it it's a nightmare for people with sensitive eyes!
@@ye.ha.8378 I take it you're speaking from personal experience from using an S23? Please share how it affected you.
I'm not that 10 percent. But i suffer headache and eye strain using amoled screen and switch back to lcd
Mini-LED is a LCD based display tech. Many Mini-LED displays and FALD based displays also use PWM…just as an fyi. Usually at 960Hz on the TCL/Samsung panels.
E-ink might be the best option 😅
Reading on (AM)OLED is good for short periods but not sustainable for longer. Color accuracy, sharp contrast and all that are absolutely true compared to an IPS LCD. Even if one does not see the flicker, yet it puts a strain on the eyes even using it for viewing in "dimmed" light at night for example. My choice for a new phone (Xiaomi Note 10 5G) with all its downsides compared to its other (Xiaomi Note 10 Pro) counterpart was only the screen technology. I regularly read books on my phone and AMOLED is just not for me. Thank you for this great presentation!
Seeing it? Not really!
Feeling it after a while on the phone ? Yes.
I had the iPhone 11 Pro Max for 2 weeks and had a lot of eye strain and headaches. Turned it for the 11 and have been fine. Just switched carriers and got the 13 pro but returned it and decided to keep my 2 year old 11. I know there are tricks to keep brightness up and white point about 70% but still.
If they make another lcd phone I’ll buy it. OLED ain’t for me
Seems if you are prone to motion sickness you are more likely to have problems with OLED
@@alexandercrush
Haha. That would seem a bit true! Maybe I’ll just take a Dramamine every day then. Haha
On the iPhone go to accessibilities and turn on the white color dimming. At night put it around 80%.
Create a shortcut on your scroll down screen menu.
Turn the brightness up to 100%.
At daytime just use it. At night click the shortcut and enjoy using your phone without flickering but less „bright“ screen
Very informative man 🔥Like to see more videos like this too
Thank you!! i just buy a new leptop and couldnt understand whats the problem.
Maybe its enough to increase frequency ? But im somowhat suspicious about seeing 500Hz or even 300Hz flicker... Also i don't know about phone lcd's but in tv most are baclight by led/oleds also dimmed by PWM i suppose
02:50 I also have a problem with OLED flickering.. but I don't see the flicking but I feel an eye strain and headache..
its like...its not often perceptible consciously, but it still is registered by the pupils & brain, which react and cause a cascade of symptoms. thankyou for making this video!!
I can't upgrade as every modern and flagship phones now are on oled
I can't use it ..it does me bad in few minutes
The flicker isn't constant it is more random but often right after i blink. It looks similar to the demonstration in the video. Usually it is more of a black flash but sometimes it is much faster than portrayed. I see similar effects with color wheel projectors, the image randomly splitting into green, red, blue. This effect also happens to a minority of people. I thought the screen was broken with a lose wire or bad GPU drivers lol
It perfectly explained the sudden onset of my migraine and eye sight deterioration since using iPhone 12 Pro . I can’t see the flashing but my eyes get blurry and tired quite easily. I’m having difficulty tracking rapid movement such as kids jumping on the trampoline.it triggers the reaction similar to motion sickness. I’ve seen eye physiotherapist, neurology physiotherapist, optometry surgeon, neurologist. The answer is optical nerve damage for some reason. Luckily my old iPhone 6s still works. I’ve changed the battery and hopefully my eyes will get better
Im pwm sensitive and can't use OLEDs either. i cannot see the flickering but i start feeling a light pressure in my eyes and like behind my lower forehead just above the eyes.
Do OLED TVs have the same PWM issue
Month into new OLED phone. Noticed on low bright if background is black and you move something like dark gray color, there is like purple ghosting, very noticeable if you move dark gray color very fast. I use dark mode btw.
Asus OLED has a protection that stop flickering when luminosity is over 60%. Imo i regret not buying an IPS pannel
but I think manufacturers could improve a lot more the LCD technology to make them approach to the OLED benefits. Nowadays IPS molecules are getting "blacker" than they were before (the "950:1", "1000:1" of yore); today's IPS smartphones can reach 1640:1, like Motorola Moto G53, or even higher contrast, like the 1950:1 on some doogee phones. Other approach manufacturers could bring, would be using VA molecules than IPS ones instead. Old VA molecules were response-slowly, angle-narrowed, and other issues, but today's VA, at least for TVs, aren't behaving this way. With VA molecules, the native contrast on LCD easily reaches 3000:1 in contrast ratio, blacker enough to not being seen in darker environments. Manufacturers also could put a Quantum Dot Layer, at a cost of a less thinner LCD, to bring up deeper RGB today's LCD already can reach, like DCIP3 color coverage. But they won't, cause OLEDs is more profitable, due to their fast-wasting nature, while LCDs are much more durable and recyclable...
soo it flickers only when dimming/brightening slider or whole time?
Whole time
Thank you for sharing this I’m actually switching from an iPhone XS Max to an iPhone SE (2020). This should also encourage me to go on my iPhone less as I am 23.
i've been using my Redmi k20 pro for 3 years and it's been alright, ugh mi new phone Xiaomi 11t however giving me headache on it's first day already, both using dc dimming btw (anti-flicker).
Me Googling and find out that 11t has PWM at 120 vs 223 at k20 pro, 223 is low enough but with dc dimming turned out to be ok, didn't know the difference quite significant.
Might sell the phone if its still persist 😿
I'm sensitive to Amoled flicker, but I've heard that you can get used to it over time. Did anyone succeed?
This is why I keep my iPhone 11. I hope the SE 4 comes out in 2023 and has the LCD screen of the 11.
Bro plz make a video on matte vs glossy screen guard
I'm actually in that 10% and it's really bad like i have to wear glasses now it's that bad and im on a pixel as well 😢
I still use IPS LCD 90hz with vivid support🗿
That's why I switched back to iPhone XR now. Even if you could choose a high PWM rate phone, like Hornor phones, it still has effects on your eyes but is still way better than the Samsung OLED screen. Luckily we still get some new LCD phones, you guys could check Redmi Note 11T pro / Redmi K50i India version.
Mate did you try Honor 2000 PWM? I am thinkig about substitute my s22u with Chinese brand phones which have PWM over 2000. It does help?
@@abcdef7660 My eyes fall into the category of high sensitivity, which might explain my proficiency in playing FPS games, as I can easily track moving targets. I've been closely monitoring Honor phones, particularly the Honor 90 and Honor 90 Pro models, which feature a 3840Hz PWM display. When I tested one of these phones at the Honor store, I noticed that my eye muscles felt tense when I moved my gaze across the screen. I've also come across negative feedback from some Honor users in China regarding the screen. Consequently, I'm still contemplating my choices.
From my understanding, a high-frequency PWM (Pulse Width Modulation) indicates that using the phone at lower brightness levels is more gentle on the eyes. However, this doesn't necessarily eliminate the possibility of experiencing visual fatigue due to the high-frequency flickering. For example, the Samsung S22U screen employs PWM at 1440Hz, typically activated at brightness levels below 25% - 30%, and beyond that, it switches to a quasi-DC mode. When evaluating eye protection, the ranking would be as follows: DC dimming > quasi-DC > PWM 3840Hz > PWM 1440Hz. Therefore, the most critical factor is adapting your habits and avoiding the use of OLED phones in low-brightness environments, as OLED displays can contribute to eye strain.
However, there are also arguments about the potential blue light harm from LCD phones. I only know that ever since I switched back to the iPhone XR, I no longer experience headaches or eye strain when using my phone at night, and my degree of astigmatism has not increased. As of now, I cannot accurately perceive the extent of the harm caused by blue light.
I feel dizzy when I look at LCD screens
Is black smear on iPhone normal?
It hurt my eyes and made me feel dizzy, i had iphone 8 plus i was happy and comfortable with the display , when i bought 12 pro max i could not use it more than 5 min before i felt dizzy and nausea , returned to my 8 plus now .
I’m stuck with iPhone se until apple or Samsung offer a flagship in LCD.
i used to see the flicker on my Galaxy A52 when it was either on max or really low brightness, i didnt know until now what that was lol