Rob Parker - Why Hasn't Tiger Woods Inspired a Larger Influx of Black Golfers?
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- THE ODD COUPLE - Chris Broussard & Rob Parker discuss the impact of Tiger Woods on golf and who has largely been responsible for its popularity for the last several years. Rob Parker finds it strange that his impact hasn't inspired a larger influx of black golfers to pick up the sport professionally or at least achieve stardom close to what he's done.
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Rob said my putter wasn’t that good!!!😂😂😂
Rob's got jokes 😂
lol
Needed the Kawhi laugh on that one!😂
Tiger doesnt identity as black, so far as influencing black children that wont happen.
I try to tell him
Exactly.
It is the cost. Golf is expensive. It is the same reason why you see less baseball players. The cost of travel ball and the cost of equipmenet is probably $7500 per year.
This is exactly it!!
@@seanjohnson5135 We would recruit black kids but we had very little luck. A bat is over $300 and you need a new one every year.
Tiger never even identified as Black which is his prerogative. So I don’t understand why he was supposed to be iconic and impactful for Black people
what he identifies has nothing to do with how impactful he is to black people. if his game impacts a generation it impacts a generation. there are lots of black people who play golf who never even saw that interview when he said what he identifies as. there is no correlation there.
It is the cost. Golf is expensive. It is the same reason why you see less baseball players. The cost of travel ball and the cost of equipmenet is probably $7500 per year.
@@dominicharris5489Then why are they even asking the question?
@@TorSavvy youre implying that the only reason they can possibly be asking that question is because tiger says he doesnt identify as black. And that is silly. So youre saying most black ppl said screw golf tiger says he isnt black. That makes sense to you? Lolthat doesnt make any sense.
@@dominicharris5489 Are you “black”? If you were, then you would know that’s exactly what happened. Even Rob said it. Furthermore, so many black athletes have camps and other programs that ingratiate them with kids from all backgrounds. Where is the Tiger Woods golf camp? THAT is what I’m saying, not implying.
Tiger Never embraced Being Black simple answer .
How didn't he? He's black, what on earth does he need to do? Wear gold chains and saggy pants?
GTFO
how tf do you know?
@@Unidentified_userrhe said so
@@Unidentified_userrhe said so lol
@@Unidentified_userr I was alive to hear him say it idiot 😂
Speaking as a black golfer myself, it is EXTREMELY difficult to become great at golf, let alone make it to the PGA level. Most pros starting playing from when they were kids, received lessons and made it their life long goal to make it to the PGA. I believe Tiger did inspire several black golfers, including myself. Many are just unable to make it to the PGA, regardless of race.
You’re dead on. Hear any tour player talk about their development it’s either they started playing at 3-6 years old or their dad was a good player and taught them the game. 24/7 coaching. Also it literally costs to go work on your game. 90% ranges aren’t free, you gotta pay for balls. And if you’re not good yet, you’re not that good yet to get the least amount of balls and still get good work. You need to hit 100+ balls almost every day (ideally every day) to get the hang of it. We just don’t have that access. I love golf but I won’t tell a kid to play golf especially if they financially do it
Exactly, how did they miss how expensive it is to get that good, and that’s IF you have the talent and mindset to do so.
Exactly a Tiger Wood only comes around once in a Generation , like you said Golf is hard
Yes most great golfers start at a very young age with a father that’s a 0-5 handicap and a good teacher or they buy their kids lots of lessons.
golf isn’t “extremely difficult” 70yr old white men play it.. it’s just extremely expensive and there are no golf courses in black neighborhoods
Thank you for talking golf and baseball - it's refreshing.
That's all fine and dandy, but when are they gonna talk about sport fishing? 🤔🤔🤔
Only talking about golf cause it’s race related
I remember when tiger hit the scene I was in highschool back then I wasn't interested in golf and still not interested. As a black man I wasn't going to do what tiger was doing because of the popularity of person of color playing golf!! I give him props for making a change in golf but I wasn't interested in the sport.
Rob answered his own question when he said 'i don't follow golf like that'. That's just it. I'm a 54 year old black man from the UK and i just 'don't follow golf like that'. I enjoyed watching Tiger more than i enjoyed watching golf.
Simple...golf is expensive
Not really. I got a good set from a garage sale for $10! And clubs do membership deals in the beginning of the year
The Polo shirt alone is expensive
Tiger Woods doesn’t even identify as being a black man. He tries to get far away from Black folks as possible.
@@tiptoptootsiepopThe discussion is about pros though. Plenty of black people and other minorities started playing recreationally. If you are trying to make it to the pro level $10 garage sale equipment is not going to cut it.
So is AAU basketball ($500 - $2,000 depending on the state), but we see plenty of black folks there. Why aren't the 12% of black households who are upper class not deep in golf? Why aren't many of the 47% of black households who are middle-class (according to the Pew Research Center) not playing golf? Cost is NOT the primary factor, but rather lack of interest.
Amongst the youth, golf is viewed as the “old man sport” . It is one of the few sports the most successful businessmen in the world engage in , but it’s not easily accessible to poorer areas and even if so, where are you gonna practice to even get good at it? On the other hand you buy a basketball hoop and a ball one time and that’s it 🤷♂️
As a youth I always saw it as an old man sport and never really paid it any attention. Now I'm in my 30s and thinking about picking up golf myself 😂
@@TheCapn23You should.
Golf is too expensive for most folks
Rich man’s game
@@jzl7965EXACTLY U NAILED IT 👏 RICH MAN GAME, NO DEBATE GEE
Wow, that's racist
So is tennis. But we have young black ladies who play it on the regular because of the William sisters.
@tonyOn1ce how many of the up and coming black tennis players are from poor families?
Golf is sport that requires resources alot of us don’t have
Especially the MOST expensive resource... Time
According to the Pew Research Center, about 12% of black American households are upper-class; 47% are middle-class. Separate stat, but 54% of all black folks now live in suburbs. Even accounting for the fact that a disproportionate percentage (22%) of all black children live in poverty, income is NOT a sufficient explanation for why Tiger Woods hasn't generated increased black participation in golf among the ~60% of black households who theoretically CAN afford to play golf. After all, we see black families dropping $500-$2,000 for their kid to play in AAU basketball tournaments (depending on the state). Especially when we HAVE seen increased black numbers in tennis. Access to a golf course could play a role, but even with that hurdle we should still be seeing more black folks in professional golf. I would argue that it is primarily because (for whatever reasons) black folks are generally not interested in golf.....and that is OK. We don't need to be involved in every sport.
Tiger never self identified as Black . Which is his prerogative but I never viewed him as a Black American Nike just new that Caublasian mess was not marketable.
@@ZoraDelaney Exactly. My middle class parents paid ~$90/hour tuition for me to train in club gymnastics. I advanced to the competitive team at age 4 and competed in 2 states as the only Black girl until I was 15. This was back in the 1990s, so it's far more expensive now. But, since Gabby Douglas won gold in the 2012 olympics at least 2 Black girls have been on every olympic team and 2024 could reasonably field an entire Black US Olympic team if they pick the top scores. Black parents are definitely willing to pay for their kids to excel in any sport.
Blks spend their resources on Jordan's. Maybe they should use it for golf lessons 🤷
It’s the lack of golf courses in black areas. My grandpa spoiled me, a $1k club set wasn’t out of the question. He WANTED to buy me a set. There’s just no where to play. Same with motocross. In my hood 5 or 6 kids had dirt bikes, could do all types of x games ground tricks but the closest place to actually ride was in Pennsylvania and were in Newark nj
Rob, remember your question about RGIII that got you fired from ESPN? Ask the same question and you'll have your answer.
Cornball brother😂😂😂
Serena and Venus has more impact in their sport because they never denied their heritage, made constant efforts to go into under served communities, gave back to those communities and provided a space to talk about race in their sport. Tennis has Naomi, coco, Sloan, Alexandra, Ben Shelton, Francis, eubanks and a ton of others. Tiger didnt do anything except win and his inspiration was to older people. No teen was looking at golf
💯💯💯💯
They should tho. Golfers can play into their 50s and 60s. You can’t do that in any other sport
Good point
Right! He didn't have an impact on the Blk Youth because he Never Cared about impacting the Blk Youth & drawing them into the game of golf. He cared about Winning & Porn👩🏼Stars 🤷🏾♂️ that's about it 😄.
Tiger didn't "deny his heritage", he simpy isn't an urban or hood guy, he grew up on army bases and didn't have a typical upbringing.
You guys should be more aware. It’s access, interest, and resources. Tiger’s father loved golf, was retired vet, could access public/base courses virtually for free. His father was on his second family when he retired and taught Tiger…he was not as available for his first set of kids. Tiger’s route is an anomaly compared to his counterparts. Young black kids will not naturally gravitate to golf unless they live on or near a course. My son plays golf, and was really good as a kid but once he got to high school, the pull of football was too socially strong. In general regardless of race, the primary group of young people who play golf regularly are pros compared to the general population of young people.
Same with my brother. My dad had him playing golf since he was 2 years old and he was very good. We live in the suburbs and could walk to our golf course, so my brother even worked there in middle and high school. But, he lost interest in high school and chose football and wrestling because that's what all his friends were doing. We were 1 of few Black families in a mostly White community but none of his friends were playing golf. I trained and competed as a gymnast, which is way more expensive than golf. Gymnastics is fast becoming a mixed sport.
So true. Look at the Williams sisters impact on Tennis. There's multiple top ranked black woman playing the sport thanks to them. Golf is such a deliberate sport where you have to go to the golf course. Tennis, basketball, football, even baseball, all you need is a court or a field, a ball, and in baseball and tennis, some equipment that you can get pretty cheaply used. You really have to want to do it.
Tiger definitely made more black people watch golf.
But once Tiger fell off, I stopped watching golf. I guess I was never a golf fan, but just a Tiger fan.
he made more black ppl watch him. Blk ppl dont watch golf.
Blacks were obsessed with tiger who is a mutt btw he's half Asian and half African American. But you guys already admitted you didn't care you just want to see someone dark skinned play it which is a self own. Total humiliation
Tiger did nothing for me as a kid nobody in the hood was watching golf plus he himself said he doesn’t identify as black so we never cared about dude anyway
Rob is HILARIOUS 😂
Not only is golf expensive but it’s hard as sht!!! The time and money you have to spend on getting as good as these guys is beyond crazy
For starters Golf isn’t cheap, and there’s still some Country Clubs that’s still reluctant to accept black golfers so that’s another obstacle. And if Tiger ACTUALLY embraced his African heritage, there would be more black kids wanting to grow up to be him.
Tiger woods 62.5% asian.
@@MichaelElias-q2z and 37.5% Black
golf is a brain and execution game. most black has brute strength and length and brain of kendrick perkins and shaq they cant play golf.
I don't get why these guys want Tiger to just deny half (or more) of who he is and act like it doesnt matter. Tigers Father was mixed and half black or something, his mother was mixed and asian and indian I think - why should he just describe himself as only black and brush away the rest? Tiger is black or part black - he's also many other things none of them of less worth to be ignored.
Because in America we have the 1 drop rule. If you have one drop of black blood, you're black
Simply put...golf is a very expensive sport compared to most traditional sports.
Love these two talking golf and literally don’t know the last time he won (2019)
If he hadn't gotten injured, he would've eclipsed Jack's record.
It requires actually having to work a golf course to have a good realization. So much time in a pretty day. 18 holes. Groups of 4. Basically launching 15 minutes apart.
You can only pump so many people through. And some people are golf fanatics. Therefore. The economics kick in hard in golf. You want to play. Show me the money.
I am not sure how it works in the U.S but in England we sit a PGA exam and degree programme to enter pro competitions. Golf club membership and events are expensive, especially if you aren't yet eligible to get paid enough to even cover expenses. Golf is an elite sport and is more accessible if you have economic means.
Come on Rob, you know why!
Say it!!!!!😂😂😂
Golf is expensive. But Tiger never embraced being culturally Black. So there wasn't any energy behind getting motivated to make the investments necessary to encourage, inspire, and support younger Black people.
Exactly. At least with tennis, Venus and Serena (mostly) identified with us. There have been quite a few black tennis players competing in majors over the last 30 years as a result.
Which black culture do you want him to follow? The inner city crime and thug culture or the normal upper-class black culture?
Isn’t it amazing how the conversation always goes to skin color? Funny how no one is asking why Tiger hasn’t influenced more Thai golfers… It’s almost as if sports media/“certain groups” don’t care what HALF his genetic makeup is… Wonder why. 🤔
Jason Whitlock " Tiger can a sister get a table dance". 😂
1: Golf is expensive
2: Tiger doesn't influence as a race, but as a human being
3: Personally, growing up in a white household as a mixed kid, it was awesome seeing some guy with similar skin color, and not just because he was different, because he was DIFFERENT. I love golf and always have and he was, like many others, my inspiration to start playing
Golf is like exclusive for the upper class. If you're living within a simple community, where would you practice and play golf? We dont have golf courses in our parks and campuses. Golf membership is expensive as well.
Also. And i know this sounds bad. But generally. A good rule of thumb. The less rabble thats on the course. The nicer shape its kept by the golf heads.
Which usually leaves the general public left with undesirable low census hours access to the course.
If at all
And this is usually a balance between extra money for the course vs the extra course damage that it will bring.
More golf!!
Several reasons:
1. Average young black person doesn't relate to Tiger Woods.
2. There's no clear (and relatively cheap) path to play professional golf.
3. There's no equivalent in golf to a pick-up game of basketball. You need clubs, a course, time, and money. With basketball, all you need is a ball and a hoop.
4. This will sound silly, but there's nothing that equates to a dunk, crossover, etc in golf. I.E. something that makes your male peers envious or left in awe and the women are swooning. Image is so important to the youth and these (admittedly silly) things matter.
I agree. In my opinion it’s more so number 4. the game is just not that interesting and to be honest kind of boring and that leaves younger audience who has a lower intention span looking for something else to be a part of.
1. Access is still an issue. That's for everyone as well, not just African Americans. Fewer young people are playing golf unfortunately. But one thing that has been bad is the shrinking number of public golf course and even driving ranges. Many municipalities in my area have abandoned their golf courses in favor of building more warehouses and nature trails. The buildings bring in more tax money and require little maintenance. Developers are also behind this as well. They get government grants for putting up townhomes and subdivisions.
2. A prominent black female journalist (can't remember her name) stated that Tiger's impact would be muted because he married Elin. That was years ago. I think that might be part of it.
And ive never been much of a golfer. But being a patton man. Golf contains my favorite tree in the entire world at augusta. Thats from him buddy.
The message there. Not one tree without me. Buddy. That's your worth. And he knew it.
In this sport Golf you need a sponsor to help you in this sport because is so expensive
Rob was speaking the real about Tiger's police report.🗣️💯
Bicycle teams, where are the black riders on the Tour De France races???
No black golfers? What about Harold Varner III?
🤔🤔🤔
watch the whole video
Some sports have a much higher barrier to entry... And I'll just leave it at that
There was a short black renaissance when Tiger hit the scene. I been golfing as a little kid before Tiger. But golf cost a lot of personal finances. Same as tennis and racing. Football, baseball, basketball don't.
Many black people viewed Tiger as a influencer. Unfortunately for them Tiger had no interest or care in connecting to them. Tiger's demeanour also didn't connect to the average black person. Tiger never involved himself in what many call black culture. If anything he rejected the label of being called Black.
What was tiger supposed to do in black culture? Talk ebonics?
Golf isnt expensive . Football is way more expensive than golf but football is interesting and golf isnt .
@@BLKnivesMTTR Why would you need to join a club that's " decent" ? There are municipal courses that anyone can play on. A full time job is 8 hours a day five days a week so you have 112 hours per week to play .
@@BLKnivesMTTR No you are just ignorant
A lot easier to find a basketball court or an empty dirt field to play football or soccer than anything resembling a golf course for inner city youths.
I don’t understand why it always has to be about that. He’s part Asian why aren’t there a bunch of Asian golfers now? It’s so weird that if a single sport isn’t booming with a specific minority then there must be a problem. How come after yao Ming there was no influx of Chinese stars ? Makes no sense
Golf was only fun to watch when Happy Gilmore did it.
Tiger woods is not only black, but multiracial person and his impact is on the game where most of the players are in top fit shape and the game quality is very high
Well first Golf is an expensive sport to play. Paying for lessons and equipment is a nice bill. Another thing is when he denounced being black that took a hit with the blk community like Rob mentioned. Third most high schools don’t have a golf team, you’ll see more lacrosse, volleyball and swim teams than a golf team.
Regardless of race I enjoy sports that are violent and or face paced UFC,NFL,CFB,F1,WNCAAB
These guys are having a show on blacks in golf lol
Their both obsessed with race..
Which leaves you with ranges and practice putting greens and you cant get the same experience as the course.
It requires patience, following rules, and proper etiquette
Basket courts everywhere u have travel, with some distance, 2 get 2 golf course
These guys ignoring his whole Asian side lol tiger is not African American guys sorry I know you want to claim him but look at his mom
I mean, its like in the case of football/soccer, its does have a mainstream following in the US so not many people are aspiring to be golfers not only African Americans but Americans in general.
And, probably because PGA/golf is not for everyone in the first place, Michael Jordan has been playing golf for years and he did not figure in PGA at all.
Kids WANTED to play back then, but high school still didn't have programs for them AND they shut those few out who had access.🤷🏿♂️
Rob and Chris clearly aren’t living in reality here. Do they not realize how expensive it is for someone to get that good?? I’m sure Tiger has inspired more black people to play golf, but expecting some to become a star golfer is crazy.
Is it?
Tiger said in an interview when he was in his teenage years before the fame and fortune that he was black, not multiracial or the term he came up with.
His real impact is that he made golf cool and inspired more athletes to play.
I do think MORE African Americans are golfing -- though it's still an middle & upper middle class sport. I have a friend who is from India who LOVES Tiger and is a golfer. I think he did something for the game globally for PoC.
Tiger’s family sacrificed and dedicated time, energy and financial backing towards his success.
And with his extreme talent he became who he is today.
It’s not easy.
After being coached by his father for years, Butch Harmon became his golf coach for free until he made it.
There are a lot of moving parts that are necessary to become a successful professional golfer.
That’s my 2 cents.
Tigers dad was a colonel. He had an officers mindset. Tiger doesn't sound like a stereotypical black and he never learned how to code switch. Once the hot blondes were available he was out the door.
I mean here's the thing we put this on Tiger to resurrect black athletes in Golf. Key word resurrect black people were deep into golf so much so all of the caddies used to be black until they legislated them out of the game. The did the same thing to black Jockeys they made both white men's sports and had to through racist legislation eliminate black people from the sport. So I don't put it on Tiger I point the finger on the source.
Rich people will happily devote large amounts of their disposable income to these resource monsters. But only if you have an open tee when they come sunday am. Hence the golf club.
This is their masters preview lol
Will you guys please stop saying Tiger denied he was black. He's just as Thai as he is black. It's ignorant to think he's going to deny or ignore his mothers heritage.
Right, he can be both because he is both.
Patrick Mahomes mom is white so miss me with that logic
I’d like to hear or see the whole thing in context
@@lyndonchastain3181 If you're trying to make a point then proceed because I have no clue as to what you're implying.
Tiger inspired more people to WATCH golf. It's up to parents to inspire kids to play golf. Tiger became great because his father made him practice when he didn't want to. Most kids are not challenged to stick to things and improve. Tiger probably got a lot of people to try golf once or twice, but an Earl Woods didn't come with their junior irons sets.
While the money and accessibility to learning and playing the sport is obvious, there's also a part of hip-hop/black culture not being influenced on golf like American football, basketball, or baseball.
As of now, the sport requires one to be snappy in attire and embrace it. Being like Happy Gilmore by wearing hockey jersey or anything baggy, or being a colorful player is not the way of a professional golfer currently, nor do I see it happening.
I follow a good amount of professional golfers and young golfers on instagram, and all but one are not a black-American: Camden Guyton - a grade school black golfer, who is likely on the path to becoming the pro.
And might I add, this is not a race issue, but more of age issue: discipline, self-training, sacrificing some social interactions just to perfect the game. I don’t know how race could be argued with this, but most likely the teaching by the parents.
There’s golf programs at high schools where I live. Golf is just not prevalent everywhere.
Golf is boring, expensive and caters to only a certain crowd. That crowd is mostly not a Black crowd. Every sport is not for everybody.
Because he takes offense at being called black!😂
Great episode
Tiger's leg injury probably killed the chance for him to win another tournament let alone a major. It's sad.
lol Tiger has def influenced more blacks to play than ever before, idk if people expected him to influence MORE black golfers to the point that a much larger percentage of pga tour players are black people. it is weird that there are not more african american golfers on tour though but regardless he has impacted golfers around the World of all races
Well...got me to play golf via video games and a put green in the backyard. Tgats all from this brotha
Golf is still an expensive and somewhat exclusive hobby. For the largest portions of the black community you have to go a bit out of your way to play and for it to be something that you take up as a sport you have to be willing to do so regularly. Actually, you really need to have your parents willing to do so regularly unless you're starting as an adult. It's simply as accessible. That's not to say blacks don't play but I think for it to be a sport you go pro at, you start young, and it's not that easy to do for large portions of the community and maybe that smaller portion that can just don't take to it.
Tiger woods is simply the kid of a very pioneering black wealthy golf head. But being that kid. Got access to what he needed. You cant make an inner city childs father well off. So.
3:15 where is that drop from lmao
It’s an easy answer people don’t realize how hard playing golf seriously is….
Golf is hard , tiger has a god given ability , and be paired it with elite work ethic , literally a prodigy since. Child. Can’t teach that, you can get good with practice but some you can’t teach
Tiger inspired more Asians to play golf than blacks 😂
Trust me. Golf lives well. Bc rich people pay for it. And take those sunday am tee times.
I think everyone already nailed it. But I agree..Golf is very expensive to play.. but i dont think its just a money issue..kids spend 1000 on jordans every month..i think its just not as fun to play, and unlike basketball and football it doesnt have the same access and appeal...as a hooper..theres nothing like going to the gym st 2am and playing..going to.parks..its super competitive but also keeps you in shape and just fun..you dont really.get that adrenaline playing golf and you just cant go anytime, anywhere and just play
For this type of argument you need hard data not an opinion based on what you ‘think’ you see. The fact is that Tiger influenced people of all races and creeds to take up golf and since he’s still playing, albeit on the tail end of his career, you need to look at data regarding general course participation demographics, high school and college participation, etc. Like Hockey, Baseball and others sports that were exclusionary the impact will be seen in another generation or two but it will be as exceptional as basketball and football. Here the access is still much more straight forward and more of a natural fit as they are school funded and relatively cheap compared to golf. Interesting thoughts, fun discussion but I’m not surprised….’yet’. Let’s see what happens in a generation or two.
Cost you your marriage is hilarious
Playgrounds in the inner city don't have golf courses!
AAs been trying to claim tiger for 30 years, i hope i live to see the day we stop doing that 😂
Right . That man never identified as Black which is his prerogative but Black people need to stop reaching for people who want nothing to do with us
Cost is big factor, some places are ridiculous
This is a good question. It’s not about the money. That’s ridiculous. If kids idolize you they will do whatever needs to be done.
Golf is expensive. Most "inner city" schools at all levels, don't have a golf program.
It's more likely that things will "fall apart" for Tiger ..AKA his body.
Blacks never identified with Tiger, he never identified as Black either. I think his impact was larger on the Asian community, especially with female golfers. Unlike Serena and Venus who grew up in Compton, were undeniably Black, the braids, the beads, were Hip-Hop, and of course they had Mr. Williams. Black people identified with them. Golf is expensive but the real reason Tiger didn't lead to droves of Black's flocking to Golf Courses is because of the Identity thing first and foremost, plenty of Blacks have money. And because he doesn't Identity with Blacks, he didn't reach out to ensure other Black's came in behind him, which is the major reason he was safe enough for Whites to invest so much money in to. They knew he wasn't bringing anyone with him, they knew could market him to other Whites exclusively, he was never going to speak about anything socially affecting Black's or Asians for what its worth. .
Golf country clubs don’t allow brothers to join
Most Whites who play don't belong to country clubs. Most have fathers who golf or relatives or friends. Once again no black fathers in their lives. Tiger Woods started playing because his father was an avid golfer. And golf is extremely hard to play well. I became close to scratch even tho I started late in life.
Very simple, the game is still not accessible to everyone. The game is not cheap. If anything the top earners should help to make the game more accessible
Listen to chuck barkley. Hes a hofer bball player and hes up past his bedtime working....for them membership dues
And he plays at a really nice course that pf course has a tee available when he calls for sat or sun. That's golf.