What Wedge Bounce Should You Be Using?
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2019
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txg.ca - Testing a 5º bounce wedge against a 15º bounce wedge on two different surfaces at two different yardage to see how the bounce angle can affect strike location, spin rate, launch angle and more.
Filmed at: Tour Experience Golf
Custom Golf Club Fitting Studio - Toronto, Canada
Featuring: Ian Fraser & Matt Blois
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Ian and Matt....best golf site on the web. This is the kind of analytical insight that will help everyone who comes to your channel. Most other sites provide opinions of what works for that particular ball striker. While I understand Matt's exhaustion from wedge testing, we have all benefited greatly from his efforts. Thank you Matt for being a trooper through such a tedious process. Great, usable information.
What I took away here is to not be as worried about using high bounce wedges in firm conditions... if anything, if you play varying conditions, err on the side of having more bounce than too little. If I played super firm conditions 90% of the time I may consider something with lower bounce... but for me that's rare except for a few weeks in mid summer. I play 10* bounce in my 60 and 14* in my 55... and was always a little apprehensive when I play the occasional firm track.. not anymore! Thanks guys for some data validation!
TXG; BEST golf content ever. Matt did a great job illustrating what Ian explains along the way. I'm not a club fitter but I learn a lot from this. Thank you so much Ian and Matt.
Astonishing. I had to watch this like 3-time, not to mention going back and forth multiple time to fully grasp the information provided. TXG simply puts its content 10 folds above any other UA-cam channel... not to mention instructional channels. Big High-Five to you both!!!!!!
I love the content, USUALLY!! One cannot test wedges on artificial turf, the dirt is where the bounce matters most. Yes you can recreate a fluffy lie, however the soil, dirt, sand is where the bounce performance matters most, go outside please.
Would love to see the difference between wide and narrow sole wedges 👍
love these videos. I feel like each time I want to see a review or have a question about any kind of equipment, there's a TXG video. And it's incredibly well done, and very informative. Great content, dudes!
That has blown what I thought I knew out of the water. I love the amount of detail you guys go into.
So informative, yet almost comically inconclusive. As with all things golf, there is no answer- it all goes back to the player and the shot. I can hit the same distance with any wedge bounce off a mat, but put me on a course in the wind, with a bunker to clear, or a false front, or convex green, rough, fairway, fringe- this information is what will eliminate the variables one by one until a shot can be chosen with a higher degree of confidence in the execution. I can still hit a low checker over a bunker onto an away sloping green out of the rough with a low bounce wedge- but I better know WTF I'm doing!
I'd like to see what results you get from these two wedges when you start to manipulate the face and/or delivery. I'd like to say that's where you may see some more pronounced differences but after this- who knows!
Thank you. I can never watch enough of this trying to understand and put into practice this issue. Kudos.
Great job guys! This really give us a lot of info and ways to analyze not only the fitting of our wedges but also our shots on the course - why they perform differently. Thanks much!!
Thanks to this channel I can learn stuff about my equipment thats normally only available to tour players. I Like!
I searched "how does bounce effect wedges". Best explanation out there.
Amazing, I would never have guessed the results. As always, great video and information !!! Really appreciate the effort!!
Great video from the best golf content team on the web. Ian and Matt consistently provide insightful and well produced videos that I love to watch. This one was no exception. I play in softer turf conditions and have the Glide 3 56 WS wedge with 14 degrees of bounce. I love it from about 90 yards on turf and out of the bunkers it is pure magic. My other wedge is a 60 ES grind with about 8-10 degrees of bounce. First generation Glide wedge which just sits perfectly to my eye. I use it on some greenside bunker shots and touch/finesse shots around the green. Need to get grooves redone but this will not come out of my bag.
Learn so much from you guys. Keep it up.
Gentlemen....brilliant! The acquisition of impactful knowledge continues
Guys do ye even realise how good your channel is great information and so enjoyable to watch .
This is some good stuff. I love how you guys go deep into club fitting to help us “common folk” understand what a 200 dollar club should do for you.
This is some incredible info/tests here guys...Love it. You're really changing the game of golf I think honestly, and the way guys approach getting fit and buying clubs. Real innovators.
Also, I kind of knew these results would happen after I saw your lie board post on IG the other day. Seeing how far behind the ball you really start to enter turf on pitch shots was eye opening. Perhaps this is why Ping wedges spin so much....They all tend to cater to higher bounce designs (other than that TS grind).
Matt and ian just released a new video on bounce for wedges. Off the back of that video I revisited this one and understood a lot more second time around. The short game and wedges are a whole new ball game and love their work and insights just gold! Best golf site bar none!
I use a 54/12 and a 58/4 to cover all the bases but now I need to do some more thinking. 25 years ago I played a round with a woman who was an assistant pro at the club where Lindsay K. teaches. She used to play rounds with Moe Norman in Florida back in the day. She was easily the best wedge player I’ve ever laid eyes on. She could hit little 80 yard knock down wedges that didn’t go more than 15 feet in the air. One or two skips and they would stop.
She won a lot of money from Moe and he hated losing money.
Thanks for this food for thought.
Absolute fantastic content, thanks guys!
Very informative. Seeing as Matt loves testing wedges so much would be good to see this done with different grinds as well.
Great video, Ian and Matt! The montage at 4:50 - I knew Matt had a fast swing speed, but wow!
Another awesome video guys!
Hi guys great video yet again fantastic information. Was in American golf in the uk yesterday looking at some wedges and I found the ping glide 3.0 was so much more pleasing to my eye I may purchase 3 wedges very shortly.
I recently purchased a 60 degree 12 bounce, hoping to get the same yardage as my 60 degree 8 bounce but with more spin on half to full shots from tight lies. What I have learned from a relatively small sample size is I am consistently hitting the higher bounce wedge shorter and with LESS spin.
Great information gentlemen! Thank you for sharing.
Your review dispels many of the beliefs out there. Thanks!
Man you guys are doing incredible work. Nothing like this out there :)
Your club testing timing with relation to my next purchase is almost prophetic. My next set of clubs to purchase are the wedges so ALL the wedge testing info is relevant now for me. Therefore I say Nooooooo to the break in wedge testing. Great info again guys. Thanks
Great info, from what I could understand, seems like very useful info
Telling for me was with the 70 yard soft turf the Standard Deviation on the Low Bounce wedge implies that it was significantly more unpredictable output. And then this flipped about with 70 yard firm turf. Low bounce had (mostly) tighter deviations. I think that predictability with the wedges by having the "matched bounce to conditions" is key. Especially when not as skilled as Matt!
I absolutely love your videos! The only thing I could recommend is maybe do some close ups/slo-mos for certain things. When you guys were holding the wedges and describing the degree angle and change in bounce, it would've been cool to see them up close to see the comparison. Yes I personally know the difference in look and purpose, but I even enjoy seeing close ups of things like this. Favorite golf channel on youtube!
You have some much eye opening info about fitting clubs that I feel like I must come to you next! Even if my trip from Finland might be too long 🤔😬
That was very informative. Luckily out here on Vancouver Island I will be able to put the bounce to test most of the winter ;)
Mega interesting video I love the content guys more videos like this please
Thanks, this was super helpful
I couldn't live anywhere the golfing season ends in September! Good video. John - Ireland
Instant sub. Great vid boys
I play golf in Florida and it is always wet in the morning. the Ping Glide 3.0 has been great. However, when I purchased it I didn't get fitted, I know I know...bad! After seeing this it really makes me want to do a wedge fitting. BTW, our outdoor season is just starting back up, so you need to come down here and do your testing!
Very interesting results im trying out a high blunce tomorrow 😊
Great video I’m a digger so always think I need high bounce wedges also crap out of bunkers. Get worried if I go on firm turf with high bounce but seems I don’t need to worry now
Of course these videos are enjoyable, do I think you should continue to go down the rabbit hole, of course I do. I felt no strain or stress during this testing at all. #dancematty we want more of this. Did the question of what wedge bounce should I be using get answered "hell no" apparently my fitter is supposed to be watching, hey Mr. Fraser cancel your movie night and watch this. Big thing is these guys are trying to deliver more Rabbit Hole content and supporting them on Patreon (no link in the description) can make this happen with TXG Lab (name TBD). I love this for the sh*ts and giggles testing you guys do, going to be a long winter Matty! Thumbs Up!
Phil Mickelson says that for his higher speed wedge shots off of turf (like a full flop) he actually wants to hit the turf first and have the bounce of the club literally bounce it onto the ball. He says it promotes a high flight with a dead bounce that stops relatively quickly. Thought that was interesting. Kind of takes the pressure off us amateurs who are trying to nip the ball perfectly. I mean, I can do that, but for the average mortal...;)
I love it. Also enjoyed the wet wedge test. Would be interested if you guys ever "chat" with Crossfield on that one
This is why I carry a 6degree 60 and a 14 degree 56 - helps to be ready for anything! Also covers wet sand vs. dry sand 👌
Tristan Bexton Snap
I Carry a Vokey 54-10 V Grind and a 58-06 K Grind (the low bounce version that B V seems to have discontinued). Along with my 46-08 & 50-08 F Grind (PW & GW),
I have 3 different Bounce/Grind options for the given Lie/Circumstances and the type of shot desired.
I appreciate the way this video explains this in depth, but simple enough for me to understand. I am curious what the results might be if done on real turf. It seems that a hitting board could potentially skew the results. I am wondering if the results would be consistent.
Great content again!!!
Until recently I’ve always self fit wedges on loft and look. Since being probably fitted. More bounce for me (12*)was a great benefit with lots of heal relief in 60 not only helped bunker play dramatically,also improved technique. To little bounce on previous log wedge, got in bad habits of getting handle behind ball at address( trying to add bounce?)
Could you guys investigate how fitting can help technique. I play tight firm couch grass in Australia. Most would normally recommend less than 12* bounce??
Great video.
Hi guys, yes I like everything you put out ( miss seeing some of Matt’s shots, ball flight) I’ve asked many times should you use the same shafts as you irons and same flex or stiffer? Thanks keep it up, love the channel.
Bit heavier and softer is generally best for wedges versus irons
I find the biggest difference in bounce comes from downhill lies. like, best of luck pitching it on a tight downhill lie with a vokey k grind 🙈
I dont know if the 200/300 revs difference in those conditions would influence my buying decision, but a very interesting test none the less. Always quality content from you guys, keep it coming!
Hope you guys are indeed able to get outdoor for a couple of these tests. Either that or its time to build a sandbox inside TXG!
This video concept is what we need more of. I think outdoor testing would've been more appropriate. Maybe you should bring the crew down to SOCAL. ;)
Matt: I know from experience that lowish bounce with 58/60 degree wedge works very nicely from bunkers. Just open the club and the effective bounce increases to allow a standard bunker shot to work
That's why I like bounce on my taylormade tour prefferd 56 08 and Mill grind 60 09 wedge. To me it feels like a good bounce on all surfaces
Matt , Ian .. these tests are excellent.. basically higher bounce is obviously better in all conditions . I would love to see same tests , same clubs from hard / soft bunkers , also please check lie angles .. I know I’m asking a lot ( from especially Matt ) but this information is invaluable.. cheers guys 😉🏌️⛳️🍻
Nigel Day higher bounce definitely isn’t better for everyone. It’s just one element of performance. Lots of high speed players need the opposite and want to spin the ball less. Lots of variables involved here.
I would really love it if you guys would explain the new grinds on the new t 20 wedges
This has been a question of mine for years! Thank you. So on a side note would you recommend buying two sets of wedges? I live in the Caribbean, with 2 season Wet and Dry. So hard and soft conditions.
So, use as much bounce as humanly possible until the ground is hard enough that is makes you hitt 150 yard blades - because you will get on average more consistent spin with lower launch angles; and for me personally, the added confidence that a wedge with thicker bounce gives is enormously understated in importance - thus I think the successful reviews you see with the new Taylormade High Toe Bigfoot wedge - and the 58 degree 14 bounce Ping wedge you tested has a very similar 'large width' bounce that I would encourage everyone to look at.
This was excellent. I currently have a Vokey SM6 52.08 and a 58.10, which have been, if anything, less than friendly to my game around the green. My bunker shots with the 58* are more hit or miss than in previous years. The wedges are currently 2 years old. I have been considering replacing with a 54* and 58 or 59* in the Ping Stealth but wanted to know what major differences I could expect with increased bounce. (P790 AW is 50*, so better gapping...) As it appears to be the case here, I need not worry about too much bounce. Index has slid badly from 12.5 to 20 in 2 years, and while this is only a part of the equation (swing is a mess) some additional confidence on the finesse hots would be nice. Thanks for this.
Interesting stuff, boys... what would u think about repeating the test and have Matty (or Ian) change their angle of attack to demonstrate the effect of bounce on shallow vs. steep delivery on spin and launch?
Can you do the same test and talk about how Chipping and pitching are affected by bounce?
Really makes sense for me. I switched to an SM7 lob wedge and HATED it. They moved the CG higher on that club. I like to play with a fair bit of bounce - must be I just couldn't get the strike high enough on that wedge to hit soft pitches with it. Everything came off like bullets, granted they were spinning like a top.
I just ordered a 58* WS Glide 2.0 bent a degree week.
I still hold Trevinos statement as true; Good spin comes from solid contact with the ground AND the ball.
OR even bouncing the club from the ground into the ball.
( Higher bounce enable that contact.)
Hence, I'd really like to see wedge shots from high pegged balls.
That would (by the opposite) expose the need for good ground interaction.
(As would balls being played from plexglass surfaces. )
What’s a good bounce for a Mizuno T20 55 degree sand wedge and a 60 degree lob wedge for a place that gets all kinds of weather so the ground can be hard one day and soft another. I was thinking 9 degrees for the sand wedge and 10 for the lob wedge. I’m a sweeper of a swinger I barely take divot and I live in Spokane Washington (the Pacific Northwest). Thank in advance and keep up the great work!!!
@txg have you had or seen any testing on how the Ping hydrophobic finish holds up over time?
Outdoor season lol, Canada is a beautiful country but screw the insane cold and snow. Golf all year round down under :)
My home course plays soft in winter and hard in summer. What would you do? 1 wedge low bounce, 1 high or stick with either in both and choose between different grinds.
Cool u guys mentioned southern Ontario!
Where I play.
I been using 10 bounce on my 52 and 58.
I’m a 12 handicapper
Lots of fat shots.
Do you guys think I’ll be better in a 12-14 bounce?
Thanks
I was hoping for a bit more testing, like flops and sand... playing in AZ course conditions change while 5 star courses that water a lot remain medium and can be soft and then lower end courses can be hard as bricks in fairways and bunkers, how do I set up my wedges for such vast differences? 54/14 & 58/8 and use as needed?
Nice guys
Do y’all also look how each person delivers the club? Will Being Very steep or shallow help fit someone into a low or high bounce as well?
Would love to see a video about raw or rusted wedges
TXG,
Awesome info here, since we now have all this info on bounce, spin with wet vs dry, do you know what happens when the ball lands on a wet green? If the ball and club are wet I would believe most times the green will also be wet. I would be very interested in this test.
Rick Miller Lot of variables in that proposal - and it will ultimately depend on the indentation made by the ball on the green ie
no pitch mark equals no grip for the ball to stop - then 1/3 to 1/2 a ball depth the ball can grip
Then with other factors like a really wet green with rain or heavy due grip taken away again
Golf is hard - even when you get better.....🤩
I have a lot of trouble with bounce here in Oregon. It’s wet all winter then doesn’t rain all summer so I basically have to have low bounce one season and high the other.
So, as someone who plays in the deep South with baked out fairways, and baked out areas around the green, with the high bounce showing better results, is that the route I need to go?
If you decrease the loft on a 56 degree wedge to 55 degrees, does that open the face or close the face?
Thanks!!
My takeaway is that launch differences are far too insignificant to be considered over simply choosing which bounce will help you make the best contact you can.
I just have a 54 58 64 in 10 degrees bounce with a shallow angle of attack. I tend to have a square swing and prefer not to open my club like Dustin Johnson. Since I have a square swing like Steve stricker, should I stay with the ten or would 8 degrees be a better option?
Fantastic content and a big thank you from Hong Kong!!
Before you retire from wedge testing...what if you open the face on the same wedges with the different grinds how will that affect gearing??
Hey guys, can you please let us know, what are your surfaces? What is your normal mat? What was your soft vs firm mats?
Playing off 4 and notice I don't take divots with wedge shots (full or half). I basically seem to brush the turf and have wedges around the 10/12 degree bounce. Obviously I need to test, but what would your opinion be around possibly getting wedges with a lower bounce?
I am in the market for wedges and have no idea what bounce/grind to get. I did the wedge finder questionnaire on the Vokey website and if recommended me a 12 degree D grind lob wedge. I found one at golf town and that leading edge was so far off the floor it was scary. I kinda wish I never heard of bounce/grind and just bought whatever was the best deal...
Great stuff. My fitter recommended a Ping Glide 3.0 with the wide sole (got the 56 degree in SS). I resisted but finally went with his reco and it was a great call. This info backs up his take. That said, I would be interested in flop shot results. Come on, Matty. Just one more. :-)
FWIW, I realized that I rarely do flop shots, so it shouldn't be my main reason for picking the bounce of my club.
I found the more bounce i play with the easier wedge play is , all my glide 2.0 wedges 50 , 54 and 60 have 14 ° of bounce and the 60 Which I mainly use out of green side bunkers or if I need to Cary a bunker to a tight pin is so easy to use....
I’m here 1 year later but I am about to buy some new MD5 wedges and curious what I should go with. I want to get a 56 and 60 and I play full shots and open faced shots with both degrees. I play on firm conditions and their club selector states I should do 56 S grind with 10 degrees bounce and 60 degree S Grind with 12 degrees.
Thoughts??
Hey guys, I've run into a small issue after purchasing new wedges from taylormade. I got fitted for a 50 with 10 bounce, 54 bent to 55 with 12 bounce and 60 with 10 bounce. The wedge I am having a problem with is the 50, I could only get a 52 bent strong to 51 due to an ordering error and it plays as 8 bounce, as a player that generally is leaning more towards higher bounce do you guys think this will cause an issue in terms of strike and distance consistency, if so is there anything I can do to fix it as best I can.
Did you throw out a lot of shots as outliers? If so, how many shots did you have to throw out for each test as too far out of the target range?
Is it possible to have a nice low sitting profile (leading edge close to turf), while having some decent bounce? Seems like they go hand in hand. Love the extra forgiveness in medium bounce soles, not a big fan of how they look on tight lies.
Can u guys do a video on offsets
I'd love to see what a totally skulled wedge shot looks like on GC Quad. Because the high bounce/firm turf strike looked super low on the face but obviously flew okay. I blade wedges ALL the time (like accidentally hitting a 80 yard wedge 150 yards) and would be fascinated to see how the strike location, launch angle, ball speed and spin rate differs from a quality wedge shot.
🤣 I’m sure that can be arranged, there’s usually a few mixed in there during the testing process
@@clubchampionmedia 😂
Thanks, very interesting, I have 56° Mizuno S-18 12° bounce. If i chance it to 58° will the bounce be10°?
Yes
Cool
I bought £600’s worth ( 3 wedges) of Edel wedges, worst mistake I made, the bounces are 16, 18 and 22 on 49, 54 and 59 degree. No matter the ground condition they just dig, yet my RTX 3 2 dot and now my SM7s just don’t dig. I really struggle with my Edels around the green, but it’s not an issue for my Vokeys, the fitter of the Edels says it’s al technique, I don’t change my technique when I use my Vokeys so I have no idea what’s going on. Would have been nice to see a face on view of Matts technique, I do have a little shaft lean which the fitter says is killing me (always with the high bounce Edel, never with the ,owner bounce Vokeys.)
The slo motion channel guys would be great for watching the ball actually launch off the face.
would have liked to see mid bounce also...
High bounce is ideal from the fairways but definitely not from the bunker
Everybody knows what bounce is. Why does it need to be stamped on each wedge along with loft? What value derives from bounce stamped on wedge?