Swing 77 picks up the Sim and it almost out preforms the hour long fitting. I mean when you have what you like it doesn’t matter the R&D and how many years have gone by it’s about what works, not what’s the newest and shiny. I’m still gaming a 915 D4, I’ve tried damn near everything in the last 5 years and that 10 year old driver always ends up back in the bag.
This Driver is a lot better than my SIM. TSr was always quicker than my SIM but as I’ve said for the past few months I had a spinny miss with TSr. I didn’t have that with GT3, really excited to see that on the course.
Yall need to do a video on swing weight and grip size. So many people and don't understand how much those two factors play into consistently delivering the club face. It would also be nice you guys to give the viewers a good way to determine what grip size they are without then having to go out and buy a ton of grips.
@@blakebarone1809it so far from awkward, there’s a big difference between the relationship Mike and I have compared to anyone else who’s been on the channel with me.
Went to a GT fitting at Gleneagles. Hit 5 right down the pipe with my TSI and the fitter said : Why do you want a new driver?!! I said simple I’m 63 and I need 95 and 140 as my base rather than my one off max. After 20 mins we were dialled in to a GT3 11 deg with a MMT Speedmesh 40 stiff set at A1 and constantly achieving the aforementioned was well chuffed especially as the gains had better dispersion numbers also. Please note Fraz happy to come over to Canada to see if you and Mikey can improve me further 😂👍 Doubly delighted that Clement has extended to 2028 🇬🇧
The big difference is the twist face. The SIM is a high right block machine. All the TM drivers since the twist face started - high right miss ruins them. They are just not made for people that miss on the toe with an inside out and up on it path.
@@1974jrodboth are factors, as is CG position being forward, face depth being shallow which lowers CG leading to more vertical gear effect which lowers spin and makes to easier to curve.
@@stankersley2From my friends who have both gcquad and trackman, quad is amped up a fair bit. I dont believe anyone swinging 109 should be getting 300 yard carrys.
I wasn't a fan of the 2 in ANYTHING because "I don't like the shape, it's too bulky, I like to shape the ball & I'm also a very good driver of the golf ball" *put TSR2 in the bag . Lost zero distance or shaping ability & hit more fairways. It took me about 3 rounds to forget I was looking down at a 2. Park the ego ppl. *TSR2- Ventus Velecore Blue 6s & avg 294.4 currently at 52 yrs old. Just sayin'.
I’ve hit both side by side. There’s a difference, moving the CG forward as the have keeps spin lower, while ball speed is a little quicker BUT the biggest change is the spin staying far more consistent than TSR.
I have no doubt about it and I hope to get there someday. For another great practice facility with 3 great courses, please check out RTJ Capitol Hill in Prattville, AL. Public, but you won’t believe the layout. The practice facility is absolutely phenomenal.
I think Ian needs a Qi Core 9 degree turned down with some toe hot melt. Get up to the Kingdom with Trottie and handpick a tour core model head measuring 8 base loft
@@bradfortner8921 I say this as a guy who buys a new head every 5 years or so but in the end, we are much better served replacing our wedges. Drivers don't improve much over the last 3-5 years.
What is meant by a 45 inch shaft? Does this mean that one inch is cut off a raw shaft, or does this mean the overall driver is 45 inches. If you have a 45 inch shaft, install the adjustable hozel, and the attach the head you have a longer driver than 45 inches. Any clarification?
@@cliveg8350 the 1k that comes standard in the Driver & Fairway is a made for shaft. the aftermarket one is called 1k PRO blue whereas the standard Titleist one is called 1k Blue and all of the specs are completely different to the specs on the Mitsubishi website (weights & Torques) I believe Ian used a legitimate one for his fitting tho
Looking into a new (to me) driver as I don’t have one right now, M2 finally cracked lol. Sim is one I’m looking at, it’s sure making a good case versus newer products haha
This video has made me lose all faith in the channel. The numbers here are totally different to in the studio…. To the point where this driver fitting seems almost to be a sham, as the numbers are no better than his current gamer, and yet the way they are rambling on is like the new GT is a great improvement, when it is not at all. Go to Marc crossfield channel for the truth
@@nicholasthorstensen6213you think wrong. All our Quad’s are set to 450ft above sea level which is what we are at in Toronto. GC Quad estimates carry distance slightly too high due to the algorithm they use. Nothing to do with our settings.
Everyone is worried about ball speed. Wow, 163 mph ball speed but you're spinning at 2900 rpm. Wouldn't make more sense to maximize spin and launch conditions first.
@@niggyschliggy6057 Depends on your speed. Very quick speeds low 2000's will work. For avg swing speed mid 2000's and for someone slower like me (90 mph swing) I have found that 2500-3000 works good to keep the ball in the air longer. To low of a spin if you miss, it could spell disaster. Like dsc-nr5zy said, if you already draw the ball and one comes out high tow that drops the spin too much it will just be a slow snap hook.
@@niggyschliggy6057 Depends on your speed. Very quick speeds low 2000's will work. For avg swing speed mid 2000's and for someone slower like me (90 mph swing) I have found that 2500-3000 works good to keep the ball in the air longer. To low of a spin if you miss, it could spell disaster. Like dsc-nr5zy said, if you already draw the ball and one comes out high tow that drops the spin too much it will just be a slow snap hook.
2900 is still very playable on a course. if it were 3900, sure he would be losing distance but I don't think Ian would have an issue with 2900 at all depending on the strike, especially if its a mis hit. People always chasing sub 2k for the ultimate once in a 20 swing bomb. Thats too low
If i did hit the Ping the same distance then i would use it but i dont. I’ve had it on the golf course and i dont hit it as far, plus I still hit crooked shots with it.
Did you watch till the end? My best Drive with SIM was 164 ball speed, my best with GT3 was 169 ball speed. It’s it even close, given a few months of playing it GT3 will be a really nice upgrade.
Thats configurable by the user. The shot monitor itself isn't doing anything except giving you lab data- which is another consideration- radar systems like trackman show you more accurate 'what did I actually just hit' data outdoors.
Crazy seeing Ian so inconsistent with driver. Proves that golf really IS a tough game. Didn't get the feeling that this fitting produced anything great for Ian. Must be a bit awkward when you are basically doing a promo for Titleist with the fitting and the product really isn't producing anything special..
I really really liked the driver. I think the issue was we didn’t populate the data like we normally do for you guys to see the comparison table. We will be doing that next week.
Observation…why was the Taylormade Sim (competitor to Titleist) taken as your gamer to get fit for a Titleist GT when your “WITB” gamer that just posted 10 days ago was/is a Titleist? I understand you guys are looking for content…but don’t you think transparency would be more credible? Going from your current Titleist to the GT is probably not much of a difference/improvement?
A much more interesting “fitting” experience would be to stop at the Big 3 while in San Diego…Callaway - TaylorMade - Titleist. Get fit independently through each of their processes than take each of their builds into a head-to-head match to see who “fits” best outdoors on the range. The outdoor numbers posted seem very different (slower) than all of the indoor driver tests posted. Considering most of us play golf outdoors, let’s get more real world, actual intelligence that is applicable.
Thanks for the clarification. Outdoor speeds seemed much slower initially compared to indoor WITB (106-115mph is a big range)? Was this Titleist fitting filmed before the “WITB”?
@@KurtMaier-r1q yes it was around 5 weeks before my recent WITB. Remember though Trackman reads Club Head speed 2-3mph slower than GC Quad. So 110-112 on Trackman is pretty quick.
Ian all flustered explaining how the SIM got back into his bag is an instant classic
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Even money that it will be back in the bag again before end of 2024 and certainly start of 2025.
I mean, it's a damn good driver. Still keeps up with his new GT3
Swing 77 picks up the Sim and it almost out preforms the hour long fitting. I mean when you have what you like it doesn’t matter the R&D and how many years have gone by it’s about what works, not what’s the newest and shiny. I’m still gaming a 915 D4, I’ve tried damn near everything in the last 5 years and that 10 year old driver always ends up back in the bag.
This Driver is a lot better than my SIM. TSr was always quicker than my SIM but as I’ve said for the past few months I had a spinny miss with TSr. I didn’t have that with GT3, really excited to see that on the course.
Yall need to do a video on swing weight and grip size. So many people and don't understand how much those two factors play into consistently delivering the club face. It would also be nice you guys to give the viewers a good way to determine what grip size they are without then having to go out and buy a ton of grips.
This is the best channel….for tinkerers like me, Ian and Mikey are my sprit animals 😂
It was the best. It’s awkward now, but still good from the data analysis standpoint.
@@blakebarone1809it so far from awkward, there’s a big difference between the relationship Mike and I have compared to anyone else who’s been on the channel with me.
This excites me to see the whole fitting process at TPI! Ian’s gamer driver is gonna be the best for him!
@26.58
Ian: "Do you know what you call that?"
Mikey: "About time !" Lol
😂
Went to a GT fitting at Gleneagles. Hit 5 right down the pipe with my TSI and the fitter said : Why do you want a new driver?!! I said simple I’m 63 and I need 95 and 140 as my base rather than my one off max. After 20 mins we were dialled in to a GT3 11 deg with a MMT Speedmesh 40 stiff set at A1 and constantly achieving the aforementioned was well chuffed especially as the gains had better dispersion numbers also. Please note Fraz happy to come over to Canada to see if you and Mikey can improve me further 😂👍 Doubly delighted that Clement has extended to 2028 🇬🇧
The big difference is the twist face. The SIM is a high right block machine. All the TM drivers since the twist face started - high right miss ruins them. They are just not made for people that miss on the toe with an inside out and up on it path.
Not the twist face. It's the flat lie angle compared to all the other drivers.
@@1974jrodboth are factors, as is CG position being forward, face depth being shallow which lowers CG leading to more vertical gear effect which lowers spin and makes to easier to curve.
Feel the the GD XF has been the common factor in all of Ian's driver swaps. It's time to get back to Tensei Orange.
VF.
New gamer for the next week
Its amazing how much more accurate Trackmans flight model and or real life is over GCQuads algorithm!
For real. Those low spin bombs that show up in all the videos in the bay aren’t present here.
@@stankersley2From my friends who have both gcquad and trackman, quad is amped up a fair bit.
I dont believe anyone swinging 109 should be getting 300 yard carrys.
So annoying like why won't Foresight fix this major issue?
Are the height numbers for foresight also inflated
@@rossadamdixon Foresight is notoriously generous to low spin drives
Could you please do a low spin low launch driver shaft comparison video update? Diamana WB, ventus black, tensei 1k black etc
I wasn't a fan of the 2 in ANYTHING because "I don't like the shape, it's too bulky, I like to shape the ball & I'm also a very good driver of the golf ball" *put TSR2 in the bag .
Lost zero distance or shaping ability & hit more fairways. It took me about 3 rounds to forget I was looking down at a 2. Park the ego ppl. *TSR2- Ventus Velecore Blue 6s & avg 294.4 currently at 52 yrs old. Just sayin'.
Sea level - Pacific Coast! Going to be different in Toronto.
A great example of The Law of Diminishing Returns!
Ian brought the SIM because a TSR3 would show no difference 😂
I’ve hit both side by side. There’s a difference, moving the CG forward as the have keeps spin lower, while ball speed is a little quicker BUT the biggest change is the spin staying far more consistent than TSR.
What a beautiful facility! Video looks so good!
The best in the world!!
I have no doubt about it and I hope to get there someday. For another great practice facility with 3 great courses, please check out RTJ Capitol Hill in Prattville, AL. Public, but you won’t believe the layout. The practice facility is absolutely phenomenal.
I think Ian needs a Qi Core 9 degree turned down with some toe hot melt. Get up to the Kingdom with Trottie and handpick a tour core model head measuring 8 base loft
I’ve got one, didn’t work well for me.
I had to laugh at how "close" they were. So many times they were close.
When a fitting turns into a lesson, time to call it off. One good shot doesn't mean it's perfect fit. Its about the averages and managing the misses.
Punchline: Save your money and go work on your short game folks.
Unless it’s been 10 years, but I agree. If you’re getting fit 3x a year for a driver, it’s not the driver.
@@bradfortner8921 I say this as a guy who buys a new head every 5 years or so but in the end, we are much better served replacing our wedges. Drivers don't improve much over the last 3-5 years.
@@PawleyWalnuts I’m happiest when there’s no club in my bag I want to replace.
@@bradfortner8921 Amen to that!
Or... Do whatever the fuck you want with your money. Some people just like getting new clubs
What is meant by a 45 inch shaft? Does this mean that one inch is cut off a raw shaft, or does this mean the overall driver is 45 inches. If you have a 45 inch shaft, install the adjustable hozel, and the attach the head you have a longer driver than 45 inches. Any clarification?
My understanding is its 45 from sweet spot to end of the grip
@@smoothguitarforever nah it’s 45 from grip end to bottom of club along the shaft line when say you sit it on the ground at its lie angle.
Mikey’s hat tan is next level
Are you using the real pro 1k blue in this fitting or the new made for titleist 1k blue?
Titleist have not had " made for" shafts for many years, so it is exact same shaft.
@@cliveg8350 the 1k that comes standard in the Driver & Fairway is a made for shaft. the aftermarket one is called 1k PRO blue whereas the standard Titleist one is called 1k Blue and all of the specs are completely different to the specs on the Mitsubishi website (weights & Torques) I believe Ian used a legitimate one for his fitting tho
Looking into a new (to me) driver as I don’t have one right now, M2 finally cracked lol. Sim is one I’m looking at, it’s sure making a good case versus newer products haha
Looking forward to this
Swing speed in the studio is 112-114 and now its 107-110 during this fitting??
Trackman and Foresight measure swing speed at different points, I believe. I'm sure a quick Google search can explain.
Foresight usually higher
The ball speed is normally the same even though it measures the club speed at different point of the swing
Trackman measures swing speed at the point of compression. Foresight measures swing speed before contact. Foresight will usually show 2-3mph faster
This video has made me lose all faith in the channel. The numbers here are totally different to in the studio…. To the point where this driver fitting seems almost to be a sham, as the numbers are no better than his current gamer, and yet the way they are rambling on is like the new GT is a great improvement, when it is not at all.
Go to Marc crossfield channel for the truth
I just watched someone hit balls for 36 minutes , looking for titleist next year
Good advertisement for Titleist 😳
What brand polo is Ian wearing in this? Super clean and spread collar
It is a GFore polo
"Trackman is not level" 😅
Anyone else noticing how juiced Gc Quad is after watching this?
I think they play it at elevation depending where this is. Might be sea level.
@@nicholasthorstensen6213you think wrong. All our Quad’s are set to 450ft above sea level which is what we are at in Toronto. GC Quad estimates carry distance slightly too high due to the algorithm they use. Nothing to do with our settings.
Everyone is worried about ball speed. Wow, 163 mph ball speed but you're spinning at 2900 rpm. Wouldn't make more sense to maximize spin and launch conditions first.
Whats good spin for driver?
Spin is control. If your miss is a hook, then low spin is a nightmare
@@niggyschliggy6057 Depends on your speed. Very quick speeds low 2000's will work. For avg swing speed mid 2000's and for someone slower like me (90 mph swing) I have found that 2500-3000 works good to keep the ball in the air longer. To low of a spin if you miss, it could spell disaster. Like dsc-nr5zy said, if you already draw the ball and one comes out high tow that drops the spin too much it will just be a slow snap hook.
@@niggyschliggy6057 Depends on your speed. Very quick speeds low 2000's will work. For avg swing speed mid 2000's and for someone slower like me (90 mph swing) I have found that 2500-3000 works good to keep the ball in the air longer. To low of a spin if you miss, it could spell disaster. Like dsc-nr5zy said, if you already draw the ball and one comes out high tow that drops the spin too much it will just be a slow snap hook.
2900 is still very playable on a course. if it were 3900, sure he would be losing distance but I don't think Ian would have an issue with 2900 at all depending on the strike, especially if its a mis hit. People always chasing sub 2k for the ultimate once in a 20 swing bomb. Thats too low
I don’t understand. If you hit the much more consistent forgiving Ping the same distance why use a low spin hard to hit driver?
If i did hit the Ping the same distance then i would use it but i dont. I’ve had it on the golf course and i dont hit it as far, plus I still hit crooked shots with it.
Ian’s gamer showing better numbers
Did you watch till the end? My best Drive with SIM was 164 ball speed, my best with GT3 was 169 ball speed. It’s it even close, given a few months of playing it GT3 will be a really nice upgrade.
You don’t think you could get to 169 ball speed with the same amount of hits/tweaking the sim?
Was that Min Woo and Min Jee in the background?
Need someone to in for a driver fitting with Ian who games that sim driver would love to hear what he has to say then 😂
Is this driver like Buzz lightyear and his favorite SIM "woody" is planning its downfall as we watch. 🤔😂🎱
Is this a good example that GC quad juices numbers up, because Ian’s numbers are always way more than this with quad in the studio
Thats configurable by the user. The shot monitor itself isn't doing anything except giving you lab data- which is another consideration- radar systems like trackman show you more accurate 'what did I actually just hit' data outdoors.
Crazy seeing Ian so inconsistent with driver. Proves that golf really IS a tough game. Didn't get the feeling that this fitting produced anything great for Ian. Must be a bit awkward when you are basically doing a promo for Titleist with the fitting and the product really isn't producing anything special..
Keen to know the head weight.. guessing 198g if she's playing 45"
Is it just me or do these woods seem like they spin a lot?
A LOT
Damn, now i gotta buy another golf club. By the way, trackman isn't level😂😯
After all that, Ian hits one bomb at the end and doesn't want to validate it with another? Makes zero sense.
Why would you not even go 44.5 ?
WARNING: TRACKMAN IS NOT LEVEL lol I’d hate to see that at an expensive fitting
breaking par series????
Wow. You lost 40 yds from the video comparing the GT3 to mini driver vs cut down driver. Yikes. lol
Not clear to me that the high spin right shot was ever solved. Went from maybe 3050 to 2850. I guess you’ll take that.
I don't think any GT was "optimal" in this fitting. Spin always seemed a bit high.
Nerds doing nerd things 😎
Was I the only one that felt like he didn’t love anything.
I really really liked the driver. I think the issue was we didn’t populate the data like we normally do for you guys to see the comparison table. We will be doing that next week.
With Ian's knowledge and access to equipment why not just order in and fit himself
Because you don't turn down an opportunity to get fit at Titleist TPI or TaylorMade Kingdom.
Because they need to make content?
@@TheFrattylight😂
When you fit yourself you can't be objective. I fell into this "trap" when I was working at a golf course
@@TheFrattylight haha well yeh very fair point
wheres the hybrids my guy!
release in the spring sadly… always like that. Woods in the fall and hybrids around march
Didn’t Ian hit the ball way better back in the day?
Observation…why was the Taylormade Sim (competitor to Titleist) taken as your gamer to get fit for a Titleist GT when your “WITB” gamer that just posted 10 days ago was/is a Titleist? I understand you guys are looking for content…but don’t you think transparency would be more credible? Going from your current Titleist to the GT is probably not much of a difference/improvement?
A much more interesting “fitting” experience would be to stop at the Big 3 while in San Diego…Callaway - TaylorMade - Titleist. Get fit independently through each of their processes than take each of their builds into a head-to-head match to see who “fits” best outdoors on the range. The outdoor numbers posted seem very different (slower) than all of the indoor driver tests posted. Considering most of us play golf outdoors, let’s get more real world, actual intelligence that is applicable.
@@KurtMaier-r1q the SIM Driver was my Gamer at that time. In the most recent WITB the fitted GT was the gamer. I’ve not used TSr3 in a while.
Thanks for the clarification. Outdoor speeds seemed much slower initially compared to indoor WITB (106-115mph is a big range)? Was this Titleist fitting filmed before the “WITB”?
@@KurtMaier-r1q yes it was around 5 weeks before my recent WITB. Remember though Trackman reads Club Head speed 2-3mph slower than GC Quad. So 110-112 on Trackman is pretty quick.
If someone has a fairly neutral AOA to slightly down with driver, do you look more to a forward CG head or a rear CG?
Um, seems like newest does not equal better. Trying to talk yourselves into believing the hype. Too much spin…. Stick with the Sim
This was not good 4 titleist 😂