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I'm a 40-year veteran of fine woodworking I've been watching you UA-cam You're a humble man keep up the good work
I saw the video and your comment about being called a cardboard carpenter. I have to say that I never comment because it’s usually a dumping ground for trolls, but I feel obliged to say something. As a DIY’er with a passion for what you pros do on a daily basis, I have to say your videos and skills are top notch. One thing that stands out to me is your passion to do things right and perform fantastic finish carpentry for everyday clients. Not everyone can afford maple trim throughout. Keep doing what your doing and I’ll keep watching!
This guy has been out working and building a business. He's been transparent about learning, mistakes, growing as a carpenter and as a business owner. I've been watching for a long time. Takes a lot of courage to do that in a trade. Especially finish carpentry. ESPECIALLY finish carpentry, damn. I'm a general contractor and I still learn every day. Probably forget something everyday also! I enjoy these videos, keep it up!
I don’t use MDF but would never criticize someone who does, what’s the point? Different people do things different ways.
Richard has superior mechanical skills to most trim carpenters and if it works for his jobs then that’s great. I enjoy all of these videos and even after 44 years in the field I still learn from his techniques.
People need to really stare in the mirror and decide if it’s really better if they just kept the nasty comments to themselves. More often (almost always) than not it’s the best choice.
I was going to write a similar comment but I couldn't have said it any better than you. These guys do amazing work and their customer are always happy. Seriously, look them up on Google. Plus how many ppl put themselves out here for the world to see like he does? Basically no one. I love this guy and his channel. He's a veteran, he's a family man, he's got the skills to run a successful business with clients lining up and waiting for his services, he still like to learn and improve, he gives back to the community both locally and the whole damn internet, and he likes to fish... No one should be hating on this guy for anything. 👍
Yes different people use different ways. But using MDF isn't a different way it's an inferior material. That's why he's moving away from it
Well said, we can all learn from each other and there’s no need for criticism.
The folks making the negative comments are generally folks that can’t do the work at all or are jealous of his abilities and it makes them feel better about themselves to talk negative about Richard and try to make him look bad to others but it only shows their ignorance instead
Take care and be safe guys
@@1982MCI stop being a kiss ass. No one is doubting his abilities to do the work it's obvious he's good. But MDF is not better than wood and that's why he's using wood now
I like how you always have floors protected whether it be paper drop cloths plastic there's always something very professional
I subscribed to your channel a couple years ago because your humble. You don’t know everything but you show your way of doing things that work for you. And that’s important.
I believe that the last time,I commented on your site was about the advantage of using copped vs mitered inside corners for crown. You didn't blow me off as some kind of old back in the day gizzer. If fact you were very respectful, and wrote a great response. So I knew from that you were going to have a successful career in the finish business and that outlook would probably lead to a successful you tube channel. Well it's great to see that you are continuing to be successful in both arenas. I'm happy to see you make the decision to try and use a real wood product. I agree that MDF has a place in interior trim and always will but for my money Windsor One and other top quality paint grade fj wood moldings provide your owners with a higher quality product. In the "valve for money equation" they are superior in almost all applications of interior trim. Not only that but real wood it's so much more interesting, challenging, and healthy of a product to install. In my career there are a couple hand tools that have become invaluable trimming with real wood and I encourage you to consider. Buy the best low angle block plane you can afford. I've an old Stanley "Sweetheart" but there are better ones made and produced currently. Have a quiver of hand saws and even a back saw always raiser sharp and available. In this line of work you will never need one with less than 12 pti so an 8 pt need not apply. I've got both traditional western push and Japanese pull in softer words I prefer push on harder pull. While I mentioned planes I also carry a smoothing and two different kinds of spoke shaves. Next would a set of chisels so shaper you can shave with them,, I have a set of Marples that are probably 50 years old. They never leave their leather pouch until used and then go right back in after doing their thing. Real wood has grain and grain is the bane of a carpenters existence,,, MDF has none. Grain no matter how fine will affect the cut and demands a sharper tool. Speaking of which lean to sharper all you tools, including your saws if you have time but at minimum your planes and chisels. I rarely a adjust the machine cut on MDF by any other means than abrading,,I always adjust real wood cut with another cutting tool,,, must often with a plane, then chisel second, and finally hand saw.
So in you next interaction, I expect to one day open your channel and find that you are primarily installing paint grade poplar, but mostly stain grade appearance millions of oak, cherry, walnut and maple!! Great channel, but I suggest an alteration to the title; Trim TV; evolution of a trim carpenter's life from journeyman to master,,, yes probably not a little to pretentions,,, humble is better. And "Keep up the good work"
@jami w sorry you missed my point,, but learning the hard way is often the best
@@pauljenkinson8798 What some of the younger generation are missing is that true understanding of traditional methods and tools is the foundation for getting the most from the ever-evolving modern ones. And IMO the willingness and ability to mix and match tools and methods, including both the oldest and the newest, according to the specifics of the job at hand, is at the heart of craftsmanship. The old masters accepted that maintaining and inventing tools were just part of the gig. They focused on achieving perfect and lasting results --- and did so by whatever means necessary.
I have posted this statement before , I have been in trenches for almost (months short ) of 40 years , I have been a finish carpenter 30 years of that , enough of the credentials! 5 years ago I was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer of the throat , there was a 9 year stretch I did inordinate amount of work with MDF , I cannot say it was solely complicit of my diagnosis . But what I can tell you , is the symptoms after spending days cutting it , sore throat , a lot mucus, and yes I did go to n95 masks constantly. Then set up vacuuming, but the micro fine dust still prevailed , you have the idea , I’m still vertical and still out there ,but the residual effects have taken years off the back end . My point use alternative materials when you can , accompanied with masks and dust collection when inside this is a must, just a heads up , take heed
The damage the dust does to your motors, cost doesn't balance out
Trevor Blue excellent practical point
My brother says he got sick with respiratory issues, every time he cut MDF. He maintains it is going to be the next “asbestos”.
So glad this issue is being addressed. MDF is full of chemicals. Hope you get well, master!
couldnt be better said
As a weekend warrior doing my own work slowly on my own house, I love solid wood for furniture that I make but for trim I really like mdf. It's just easy to work with, it's always straight, easy to cope, and it's cheap so if I make mistakes it's not a huge deal.
I very much enjoy your videos and the confidence that "you can do this too" that you project. I have bought many of the tools that you use and recommend and enjoy using them. You even gave me the confidence to tackle a wainscoting project of my own that I never would have attempted w/o your helpful instruction.
That being said I would like to see you go into more detail on how to handle the challenges of uneven walls and not square corners. You do touch on it when it comes up but I would like to see maybe a whole more detailed video dedicated to overcoming the daily finishing challenges that all of us "cardboard carpenters" face.
A 35 year carpenter here and I don’t know how you work with MDF on the daily. I’m lucky enough to be able to get about anything I need in a primed pine of popular.
In the Midwest, 90% of our trim is finger jointed primed pine, very little MDF. The painters do not like MDF either. All built-ins are poplar, along with all ceilings, fireplace build outs, wall build outs, and built in closet finishes.
Wish I could get your "cardboard carpentry" skills.
Great stuff and as always enjoy the high quality videos and audio. Nice that everything comes through sounding clear in the commentary and narration. Probably takes a fair bit of time editing these!
"That really hurts" lol, I almost feel the sarcasm. Love your humor.
Insider Carpenter and you are both very good at what you do.
Thank you Richard! Your attention to detail is unparalleled. I'm a finish carpenter myself and always looking to strengthen my skills. You're channel is one of the best. Keep this gold coming 👊
Thats NOT attention to detail. He didnt tell us at @12:54 suddenly there was this Brown board at the back of the accent wall, you didnt tell what it is , neither how to put that up there?!!
No, it is attention to detail. What you're referring to is a different subject with editing and teaching. I was referring to the craftsmanship. Also, he says at 12:20 he is going to rip the sheets down.. He talks about the sheets in multiple wainscot videos. It's called masonite and it's used to eliminate the spray texture on the walls. The masonite is nailed around the perimeter and into the studs. He uses pl premium in the field of the sheet
Good on you! My house is 15 years old and and I am re-trimming the interior of our house. I am doing a classic craftsman style and I did not want to use MDF. I discovered W1 and I LOVE it, you wont be disappointed!
I’m not a carpenter but from watching you I think you take pride in you work. I love it when someone cares about their work
It's bad enough when you get lazy drywallers that hump they're flats or rough in carpenters who focus on rough. But when you pay for dimensional lumber and trim that's out of dimension, that just trips my trigger!
Definitely agree with you man. Prefer wood all day. But I’ve down some wainscoting and wall detail where the Mdf did work out better.
Looks great for a "cardboard carpenter"! You use whatever materials make the most sense for the job. Anyone doing trim and accent walls should know this. Makes your life easier and that's the point.
I did trim work from 83 to 88 and after military service 92 to 96. I trimmed with a master carpenter and we worked in Dallas doing remodels and new construction in the Inwood area where Ross Perot and the likes lived. In the late eighties, builders were trying to skimp and use mdf in million dollar homes. If this stuff gets wet, it becomes sawdust mush. We refused to use it because of the warranty work involved. Finger joint is good to or painted areas and grade A for stained areas all with furniture tight joints. When we left a house it was there for life.
I feel for ya, Richard.. and I'm right there with you... MDF really does have its place, but for me, it has always been a measure of last resort. Don't let the haters get you down... they're gonna come around eventually for a couple of reasons... first: you're very good at what you do, and you take the time to explain your reasoning behind what you do.. and Second: you possess a degree of humility that one doesn't often find with someone who has mastered his craft.
I've been a finish carpenter for over 35 years, and I appreciate what you do , and who you are. Just keep being you, brother!
Haters are gonna hate when it comes to things they feel intimidated by. Your skills are legendary and I’ve learned so much from your videos. Don’t worry about the cardboard haters. You could use the best high quality product and they would still find something to say about it... this is a case of it’s not you it’s them, lol.
For trim and a trimmer the nice thing about mdf is its always straight as opposed to cuped bowed and twisted real wood its also a smoother finish than real wood.
I agree. I used to stick to real wood because it was "better". Then I ordered MDF on accident and realized every stick was exactly the same as the last. Seemed like every joint was invisible with no effort.
Don’t worry about the haters. You are very skilled in your trade.
I am always impressed by the way you come up with solutions to new problems. I wonder if you lay in bed at night with ideas running around in you head thinking how to proceed the next day, I do and my problems (woodworking) are simple ones. Many times I find the answer then.
I love mdf, I saw a video where you don't know anyone who does everything in builds,frame, drywall, plumbing,paint,trim, electrical,custom stairs, and design cool custom built ins,etc. I have made a complete living on all trades.certified in most where needed, different woods for different projects,love your videos, thank you for sharing,God bless you and your family.
I really enjoy your videos and I have learned a few tricks from you. I held a C6 contractors license here in California and worked as a "finish carpenter" for 18 years before going to medical field. Thanks for putting out content while still doing the trim work.
I work for Builders First Source in New Jersey. We stock and ship a lot of primed FJ 1x. They have locations in TX but I don't know what they stock. May be worth a look. Also BFS just merged with BMC so you may see some changes at your local supplier. Keep up the good work. I'm hooked on your videos!
I use a lot of finger joint pine and the majority of it does come primed. I do look the pieces over prior to installation and sometimes there is a blemish or two in the primer application, but nothing a quick hit with some sand paper doesn't fix. If I do run into a situation where I can't get the material primed I just prime it before the installation. I find it is easier for me to sand and prime it on some saw horses rather than in place after the install. Thanks for all your work here I really enjoy your channel and have learned many many things from watching it.
Forget about those comments “cardboard carpenter” Cardboard is underrated. I can’t wait for cardboard studs
ThaGreatestAlexander - Cardboard Emporium
Cardboard ledger plates; holding your deck joist in place for the next 90 seconds.
The list goes on & on.
@@chefsteven34 I had a visual on that, all that was missing was the sound!!!
Cardboard workbenches might catch on...
Eric Nielsen - catch on fire most likely...
They do have them in New Zealand, if you watch Scott Brown Carpentry, supported by Matt Build Show.
I also follow insider carpentry and bought the HIPUR gun he recommended. I had moderate success with it. I felt like the strength wasn’t that great until it was able to set over night on window and door casing. The ease of removing squeeze out is awesome versus the CA glue. We pre-assemble all of our window and door casings and during installation actually broke a couple of joints while manipulating them into place. We decided to let them sit overnight and then the strength was incredible. Just my experience with it.
Your level of creativity, & skill on measurements are amazing!
Shout out to John, with his comment in the last video, about the wall. The odd number of panels horizontally, would look better with odd number of panels vertically. The even number of panels horizontally, WOOD look better with an even number of panels vertically. (See what I did there?) Finger joint pine joke.
I watch a channel on youtube called Essential Craftsman a builder/carpenter whose name is Scott. He has a playlist on a spec house that he has shared from the very start to finish. In the episode 113 he mention your channel and you as being very talented at what you do. I was just wondering if you watch his videos & if you don't can I recommend that you do. Scott is very good at what he does as well so I just wanted to let you know you have a fan of you great work.
I wasn't gonna say anything.....but since you brought it up.......Good for you, Richard! I always thought - you spend so much time doing meticulous perfection and attention to detail - what a waste not doing it out of real wood....especially in the homes you work in, your customers should demand real wood. MDF trim is for my neighborhood LOL Always enjoy your work!
I can tell you take a lot of pride in your work, you don't see that in todays world.
Good videos, enjoy watching 👍
This guy is the best carpenter on the net every video is superb and so accurate
Honestly, I can see how those comments would be lame. I am now a retired finish carpenter of oh most 30 years. Your videos are well done and enjoyable to watch. Both products have their advantages and disadvanteges. MDF is used too much in wet areas and in my opinion, not good for your health what so ever in terms of dust. Thank you again for your videos.
Hey man, been working in the industry myself for 5 years now, but we never get the chance to do finish trim like this everyday, I really wish I could! But saying that I love watching your videos, you give great advice, you keep it simple and your so humble! Please keep it up! My wife thinks I’m weird watching other carpenters on UA-cam haha
I mostly use wood for trim, but I love using mdf for my window stools. I normally put a routed edge and the mdf is so nice to work with.
In my area I use Windsor 1x s4s instead of poplar for painted built ins and mantels. It actually is less expensive, they’ve cut all the knots out of it, and they come in reliable lengths. I have mixed feelings about working with MDF but they both have their advantages depending on the project. The best thing about MDF is that the material comes in 16 and 17 foot lengths and doesn’t have splits, twist etc for production trim work. Nice video.
Broooo your attention to detail.speaks on levels!
Just a suggestion that I do. So on that first vertical board you put on that you had to scribe after you put the 15 degree bevel on it. This wouldn’t work always but I use a palm sander to remove what needs to be removed. Works good if you only need to remove little amounts
I have a pretty big finishing job coming up. I need to go back and watch all of your videos. This is the first time I'm doing as the lead and not the helper.
Only people who don’t have the skills to do what you’re doing make stupid comments like that. Men who are good at what they do don’t have time to be negative. I’ve used all your videos to start doing trim “professionally” while not welding during Covid. I watched This Old House my whole life and used that to do crown before but your videos make it clear and easy to learn. Your glue was the game changer for me as well. I’ll post a few bad videos to my channel to show the crown I’m doing with tips and tricks I learned from you sir. I appreciate you.
Gave me the gospel from Winser one and was saved from mdf. Love that
Don’t worry about what other people say I watched all you videos. You do great work. 👍🏻👍🏻
Hey bro I am from jamaica and I watch your videos all the time ,good job
I like to run the boards through a planer before hand. One pass usually does it. The joints will come together much nicer. Lot less sanding. Get yourself a portable DeWaukee 13” planer.
Around here pine and MDF are basically the same price.
Richard. I just like to say hello from Ireland. and wish you and your family everything that is good in life
love your videos and your skill you explain everything clearly and do brilliant work, john
Also Windsorone is straight , primed and with a 30 year warranty . I love working with Windsorone. Just make sure to prime all cuts. Craftsmanship pays !
Make Craftsmanship great again!
Nice to see the tricks I learned are still being used today!!!!
I stopped using MDF ply woods years ago and switched to MDO ply- Medium density overlay, it has a brown paper top layer, I also use lots of FJP( finger jointed primed) 1"x12" , Im in the NYC area and get all of my moulding from Lenoble lumber
If you make your outer most stiles go all the way up the wall, you can easily compensate for dips in the wall like that by scribing to the wall and still build the panels faceframe style.
Been a big fan of ur channel and I wanted to let you know that thank you for the process or reasons of doing something one way compared to another way that's priceless information.
Another advantage of using solid wood over MDF is you can use block and other planes to finely trim up to the scribe lines...
great videos !!!! as a safety tip be careful with the ladders. at the 10:46 you can see the ladder is not fully extended.
Thats what I'm talking about! Beautiful!!! Awesome job Richard!!!!
Windsorone is carried by my mill shop. Quality and consistency are important attributes I like about their products. I used MDF for some trim in my house 20 years ago, some of it is still okay, but most has show to be problematic: Susceptible to water, chips easy on door casing and mushrooming from nailing.
Wow, this is looking good. I'm just a homeowner but I'm getting ready to do something similar on a wall in my home. If it turns out well I will do other rooms. I went to both big box stores yesterday to look at lumber to use. Every single piece was warped after so many feet so I will be using MDF because it's straight. I can't afford the best but I want the end product to look as professional as I can get it. I have that texture on my walls as well and I've been sweating bullets over the thought that I might have to skim coat it. I've seen that "hardy board" (?) before but I wasn't sure how it's installed. I figured I'd have to cover the wall first but it looks like you got the frame up first and then cut it into individual pieces to fit inside the grid? I hadn't thought about gluing the joints. That's a damn nice house that you are working on. In the state that I live in, that home would be over $1M...depending on the lot. I can see why you used wood as opposed to MDF. I've learned a lot watching this video.
Love watching you grow and advance in your craft. Enjoy your journey.
I never see these trashcan comments. Ive been building for 29 years and i learn stuff watching you. And lets just be honest , you build with the products out there. I am not fond of mdf and i refuse to use foam but we build with what we have access to. And as lomg as you know where you can use what
Haters are mad because they cant do shitt bro. Keep doing your thing. Thank you for your videos very educational. 🙏
Wow thank you so. Much for showing us the finished ship lap. It looks amazing! Outstanding work! Love it
Youre the best cardboard carpenter paint in the business
Thanks for all the information that you give and all the knowledge man I like how you’re so straightforward with all your information.
Dunno if they have it there but I've used a lot of Poplar moldings. It's not fingerjointed. It's a non-stainable hardwood. Cardboard carpenter?!?! Haha, that's funny. You're a great carpenter!
Wow! That glue is very impressive!!!
Thanks for posting
Cheers
Doc
So nice to see someone take the time to setup the laser on the studs so all the vertical nails line up even though they will get covered and painted
This just popped up as I'm literally getting MDF trim delivered tomorrow morning for my 3000 sq ft house remodel. My contractor said it would save almost $1k by going with MDF. He is using pine in the tiled areas. They are priming all surfaces before they install it as well. Hopefully I didn't make a bad decision.
Dan you're fine. If both the finish carpenter and the painter know what they are doing you can have mdf trim that looks as good as anything else.
I have been using it for years with no problem. In fact the stuff I installed in my house is MDF. But Windsor 1 is superior and that is why I’m switching all my 1x material them.
@@FinishCarpentryTV I hear this all the time, wood > MDF. And for things like sheet goods, plywood, etc. I can't disagree. But for trim, I'm having a hard time understanding how MDF is inferior for paint grade trim. It's so consistent and predicable compared to real wood.
For about 5 years or so I've eliminated mdf only use it when matching existing moulding, the advantage to using fjp is was more durable and literally one flood in a house and all the mdf moulding is destroyed.
Glad to see you’re getting away from MDF. I’ve been a finish carpenter for 30 years and I can honestly say I’ve only done maybe two or three jobs that used MDF. I actually turn down jobs that have MDF on them. Another downside with MDF, it’s loaded with carcinogens. Love your channel, keep up the good work.
I think the carcinogens have been way overrated when it comes to MDF. Now who knows what is put in them when they come from China.
Don't let those cardboard carpenter comments get the best of you, you are a master craftsman with good sense who is learning and improving everyday. Keep up the hard work, respect!
Thank you for making the videos. Extremely helpful and you’re a really good finish carpenter. Glad to see you getting away from MDF.
I continue to learn so much for your channel. I live in a neighborhood that worships solid wood. Aside from the incredible front door you trimmed out, I can't recall any other solid wood projects on your channel. Is this just a matter of supply and demand?
I am a huge windsor one fan. Been using it for years. Definitely a superior product compared to some of the other fjp manufacturers out there.
Great job rich🙌🙌 doing 1 the marra myself. Learned so much from ur videos🙌🙌🇮🇪👌🏻
Nice shout out to the insider, that young in is quite the Craftsman. You both are quit talented , hence the reason I follow both your channels. That hyper is beast though, the strength is definitely worth the money. As I hear it is expensive.
Windsor is some of the best product I’ve ever worked with . From a standpoint of preprimed trim board .
In Sweden all base and crown molding come painted white. You can find mdf too but not as common as pine. It’s harder to purchase base and crown that’s unpainted. I live in an 200yr old house where we sometimes need to use mdf and even PU molding to make the job go reasonably fast :) Concave and slightly slanted walls/roofs etc makes things hard
We have the choice between finger joint, primed finger joint, and primed mdf. I avoid the primed finger joint because the primer is super rough and takes a lot of sanding. The raw finger joint is my preference but I’ll take the primed mdf second because it does finish nice and smooth. You don’t always get the choice.
This reminds me of the old homes of medieval England style. Thanks.
In the Pacific Northwest you can get wide crown materials in solid, finger jointed or MDF, but it helps being close to the source.
I think you do a perfect job no matter what material you use, bang on job mate well done 👍
I love your video's, not really need your level of attention to my next project (a new workshop) but it is great to see the perfectionism that goes into your work. One question though. As you are using real wood and you make everything very tight fitting, aren't you afraid of crimp or expansion due to humidity changes?
There were more commercials in this episode than a Hallmark Christmas movie!!
"authenticity" is the new punk-rock...!!........................to be a rebel in a corrupt world, is to be honest, honorable and humble...........................well done young sir, well done..!
Great work as always. Your videos have helped me alot when I've had to do wainscoting in australia. Something that was never done here till recently with the rise in popularity of Hampton style homes.
The one thing I hate though is the texture plaster you have in the states. I think it looks awful. The only time here you ever see textured plaster is on ceilings in buildings built in the 70s.
San Antonio in the house. Love when you show how to fix issues like the bulge in the wall. Keep the great videos coming. Look forward to following you with this install.
'Saved from MDF' 😂 Nice!
😂 I liked the video for that reason
I got saved! Hallelujah!!
The various thickness in materials is why you need to invest in a planer, be it a hand planer to hit the ends and taper or a table top for the entire piece. It makes a world of difference.
It's crazy when I was your age we only used real wood and hardly any finger joint!!!! First time I used MDF I blew nails threw it lol
MDF is a great material that has its place but it is used far too much in places it has no right to be near. Kitchens made out of MDF are simply not acceptable.
MDF is not great with moisture and also warps far more than natural wood.
Looks like you need to run your trim through a planer or a thickness sander.
Long gone are the days of being able to pickup any S4S from an wholesale/retailer assuming they will match in dimensions,making suppliers like Windsor a standout! When permitted by time,job/location and crew - solid stock lumber tooled to a specific nominal dimension always preferred.
I've done Windsor One on a few houses -- great product. In my experience though it still at least needs a light sanding and another primer coat. MDF is still great for a lot of things, like wainscot paneling.
You’re the man that got me into carpentry. Been watching your videos for years. I have 3 questions for you..
Why not CA glue it? You’re a huge advocate for it + you sell it yourself....
When did you give up on the second gen Milwaukee brad nailer? The one with no wind up noise..
When are you going to do a free DFW T-shirt giveaway and rig the outcome so I’m the winner?
You still skating?
3:24 - Look at those mammoth roads in a subdivision and it appears no one is allowed to park on the road by the HOA. Lol.