Superior Drummer 2.0 Programming/Editing/Mixing - Part 2
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- Superior Drummer 2.0 Programming/Editing/Mixing - Part 2
In this episode we go a little more in depth over programming to guitars!
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I've been messing around with MIDI drums for a bit over the last few years but it's only been little things here and there. All of these little tips and tricks definitely help when you're learning to program. After a while you do develop an ear and a feel for what goes where and how it should fit into a pattern. Thanks a ton, Bea!
Thanks Rabea,
I never looked up for any videos on drum programming and your video is my first. Been using Superior drummer 2.0 about a year and I never knew that we can channel the mics out to our DAW individually. Im using cubase 5 btw. Anyway thank you so much for have creating this video.
All the way from the South East Asia.
I can genuinely say that i cannot wait for the next episode.. when will it be available? These videos are helping sooo much... I've been struggling super hard with Superior Drummer and making it sound authentic... Thanks a ton Bea.
tip: if you cant see the + and - sign you have to select AU instruments > Toontrack > superior drummer > Multi output (16x stereo) -- mine was on stereo, it took me a while to figure it out lol
+PlayAlongTracks haha yeah I sat there for 10 minutes trying to figure it out too....got there in the end
This series couldn't have come at a better time for me. Thanks Bea
Awesome Rabea!!! Thanks so much. I picked up a copy of Toontrack's EZ Drummer 2 awhile back but it's been kind of overwhelming on where to start, especially since I have zero drumming experience. This is a huge help and I appreciate you taking the time to do this.
This was great, will be putting some of these tips to use very soon!
Great tutorials. I am power user of S2 for years and I feel like Im learning new stuff!!! Fantastic man!
Glad to see how fit you’re today against to this video congrats , I always struggled to programming drums, you made it pretty easy and straightforward thanks for that dude, also I got the superior drum and sounds amazing.
Excellent series! I give it the fullest of whacks so far! :)
Thanks for a great tutorial. I use (butcher) Reaper and EZ Drummer but your methodology for creating a drum track and the manner in which you described your process was extremely helpful. I feel inspired!
Once again awesome video dude! Can't wait for the next one.
Cool, looking forward for Part 3!!!
Stoked for more of these. Drums are really interesting to me, even though I've never been able to actually play them. Also those riffs are really cool
thank Reba, I'm really bad at writing (even edit the initial grooves), these videos helped me
Man you're really good at explaining and teaching this sort of things! I would really enjoy a series of the same format on how you go about recording and mixing a complete song! You know, little tricks you use for guitar and bass, tips on eq and compression...
Great job anyway!
Cheers!
wonderful series it helps me massively ! thanks !
A thousand and one thanks for these! Much love!
Great vid Rabea. Your channel is fast becoming my fave UA-cam guitar channel.
another awesome video Rabea, that t shirt is awesome by the way ;-)
This comes at the exact right time for me. I can't thank you enough.
Really awesome tutorial dude! I'm mega enjoying this series, can't wait for the next one!
Your a legend dude, I love watching your vids and look forward to watching more great instructional videos from you!
Could you do an In-depth video on counting normal and odd time signature I fine that's the
hardest part when trying to come up with things. There isn't really good videos on UA-cam that teach you that sort of stuff when coming from a guitar point of view
Loving this series so far dude, keep up the great work!
Damn Rabea... I was about to do some important stuff here and you post a video. My stuff will have to wait! I'm a little ahead of class lol. The aux I discovered last week and I'm starting to mix.
Was just about to ask you on part 1 when part 2 is coming out and I find this in my feed :D
Thanks a lot mate.
Are you going to do another video about mixing the separate tracks? Loving this series!
Digging the series. Never been great with the piano roll as far as VST goes, I don't use logic but I'm garnering a good amount of information as to the general practice of quantization as well as setting the velocities. Seems more rewarding than just mucking about with presets.
Cheers Bea
Hey Rabea, Is there going to be any updates on your solo music any time soon? Love the videos, keep it up
Are you going to cover more complex ideas later on, such as getting a MIDI capable kit to trigger samples (ie a Roland kit using full triggers for drums and cymbals) within the software?
Great video, thanks for sharing.
Loved my iTunes version of OttA. Thanks for these beezy
Thanks Rabea. You're a champ.
this is so helpful! could you show how you would do a tom groove and snare rolls? i have trouble programming them
I would be super awesome to have your project downloadable to play around with it on my own.
very good method if the midi packs doesn't fit the riffs. thanks !
cheers pal love the series
Awesome loved it thanks
Hey Bea! Nice Video man, always enjoy watching your stuff.
Could you maybe also do a video on how you record your bass tracks? Thats the part I'm missing the most at the moment
Love the Toska EP btw, I've listened to it so many times on Spotify. Are you going to upload the Dorje stuff on Spotify as well?
Thanks and keep up the amazing work
greetings from Germany!
GREAT JOB MAN !!!
nice tips on this dude, thx! Is that you playing the guitar?
Part 3 coming anytime soon? I just bought superior drummer and would love to know more about the mixing side of things i.e. getting the drums to sit just right in the mix and not overpowering your guitars and other instruments.
This is awesome
Hey buddy...love you videos. This is completely off topic , but I was watching the Andertons sound like Guns n Roses video ...awesome by the way...you were saying how good the Marshall dsl 40c was....I was wondering what you thought of the dsl15c ? Does it capture the Marshall tone etc as well ? I only play at home for pleasuse. Or is there another amp you would suggest as good...thanks from over the pond Canada . ..cheers.
thanks bea, that really helped ! :D
+Rabea Massaad
Really neat tutorial right there, and nice to see your workflow. keep up the good work, also speaking of toska and dorje =)
Snare samples give me "The Sads" they always sound so flat. :( Great video though Bea! I personally prefer addictive drums because I prefer the rooms they recorded the samples in, but still really good stuff!
Learned so much from these two vids. Thanks a lot man!
One issue I have and I'm not sure you'd have an answer for me. But, I am taking my songs when I'm finished, to a buddy who has the old version of logic, (9) I believe.
And the last time I took a track to him everything didn't transfer over like we had hoped. We had to bounce in place (I think it was) to get it over into his version of logic. So now that I have sent each drum mic to its own aux, for future projects that I bring to him, is there a way to get it into his version of logic that will give him the Aux's that I've created? Hope that makes sense. Either way thank you for the vids!
How do you duplicate 3 cymbals/ 3 red spots at 25.33. I have Logic 10.7.3 and I can't duplicate more than one red bar cymbals from bottom to top????
I might be missing something here but when I set up my output for instance "kick out" to output 3/4, in logic it' sends that same mic twice in two different aux channels so 2 of those 16 aux channel strips get used for one mic for some reason. Each aux channel isn't a different mic. It won't let me make one of those created aux's a single output channel. Please help!
you know I listen to chappers and he is a brilliant guitar player and then I listen to your playing , I don't understand what do you have that he doesn't because I would rather listen to you ... I'm not playing favorites but there is something in your playing
Thanks Bea. Found this really useful! I'd be interested in seeing how you adjust accents, etc when the bass parts are in. I'm currently using EZDrummer 2 for drum programming, is it worth making the jump to Superior Drummer 2?
Great videos Bea! One question: I am running S2 multi out with all 16 AUX in Logic Pro X (routed to 6 separate outs 7-8/9-10/11-12 on my sound card going to an external desk)
I see that you can SOLO the individual microphones (AUX tracks) in the Logic mixer something that doesn't work for me. Any idea whats wrong ?
Awesome video man! Thanks for the help. All this stuff gives me a major headache but I'm determined says the old reel to reel analog man ;) I don't suppose you know how to load that template you made into reaper do you?
It loads in Superior ok but I think it's because I don't have all the drum kits you have I just have the basic rock kit came stock with Superior, so I can't really tell if I'm getting all the routing you set up. I made a couple templates for Reaper I thought were pretty good until I saw what you had going on and realized what I was missing was all those little extra drums sounds that really let you tweak the sound like you said to sound more real. I had the snare top and bottom was all. Another handicap I have is my interface is kind of old a Tascam 1200 with 6 inputs, so anything over that I have to use the virtual sends, which seems to be fine except for certain routing issues and latency drawbacks. What I really need to figure out is how to use the midi buses to be able to stream midi in real time and record it instead of having to do the step recording which i have hated since I can remember back in the day with the old DDR Boss and other kinds of drum machines, although it's a lot easier with the piano roll than having to program on a drum machine or keyboard lol. There was a Roland drum machine I can't remember the model but you could record and edit in real time using ur fingers on the little pads or on a keyboard by midi. There must be a way to do it on reaper or Cubase which I have both. What I noticed with Reaper, when you route the midi sends, you have to route from the virtual instrument track to your individual tracks, and then to get all those tracks grouped to one track that will record them all on that one track , then you have to route from your individual tracks to that master track which records the events and then you can edit it in step time , but not real time I don't think. You seem to have to edit manually the way you were doing it, but I may be wrong maybe there's a way to append to the file. But in order to hear it you have to route it to a master parent send and it's such a pain and latency and ugh. I noticed also you can't play the grooves from Superior and record them in real time, you have to drag all the different pieces in to the media track and then you can edit them in step time. That is unless maybe there is a way to do it though the midi buses... that's what I seem to be led towards and wanting to know more about. No wonder kids stopped playing lead guitar back in the 90's.... You don't find many real lead guitar players as much these days, or just straight up off the cuff live tracking studio musicians anymore. Because they don't even have to be a musician anymore to record songs, you just have to be a dang rocket scientist computer programmer! They never have time to sit and practice 8 hours a days like we did back in the day lol I keep thinking by the time I get this stuff all figured out, I'll be too old to play anymore! lol I'm already starting to get into this whole looping grooves thing and even got me a virtual female singer. Shoot, pretty soon musicians will be obsolete lol But I think it was greg Kihn who said "they don't write like that anymore"! That's why I'm on a mission to get all my songs recorded before I forget them lol It's almost 80 songs and my drummer who was my best bud and knew every song died 2 years ago and our other guitar player we all grew up together playing and writing went MIA years ago, so I have to do all the parts myself and duplicate it all by memory and then make it good enough to put on a few CD's. AND, after having lost everything I owned and having to start from scratch and work my way back up with little or no funds, it's been a challenge to say the least. But I'm like the Blues Brothers on a mission and I'm not stoppin' till I be droppin' lol So I really appreciate the videos you and some other guys put out there! It's been really helpful and If I can return the favor maybe by posting your pages or videos or something please let me know. I would be glad to return the love man! Thanks again and love the tunes you are making also. Awesome job on the videos and don't worry about no A.D.D A.D.H.D.'s with P.H.D's in how everyone should talk! That's the problem with this video game geek squad generation. They have way too much time on their hands and way too anal about everything especially when they hardly do anything except play on their ipads and obsess about the way people look or sound lol. My advice to them is get a job and move out of grandma's basement and go play in the dirt and they will find peace for their compulsive disorders lol Peace bro!
Excellent stuff Bea as usual. Is it worth explicitly pointing out that drummers only have 4 limbs (usually! Rick Allen excluded!!) and so when it comes to hats etc don't blindly copy them and then add in cymbal hits later. Make sure you delete any hat hits where there are cymbals, as drummers don't ordinarily hit a crash and a hat on the same beat. I know you showed hats deleted on the crash hits, hit you didn't say it ;-) picky point but at all helps newbies learn our dark craft! :-)
Ok just got done with the entire bit, since you have Toontrack's ear, can you ask if there is a tool in existance to convert a Superior 2 template like you created and convert to Ezdrummer 2? I have the Metalmachine, Drumkitfromhell and Post-Rock ezx libraries and would love to use the template but it shows up as an unrecognized doc in el crapitan.
Super insightful, Thanks!!!
So when you record your guitar, I assume you recorded it to a click track? Correct?
Do you find that you record the guitar as a scratch track to the click track, flesh out your drum tracks and then re-record your guitar track(s)? Just curious.
Thanks Again Bea!!!
Very nice !!!!!
Can you freeze the drum track you have created this way so that it takes less capacity? Because I know that is not possible with Logic's stock "Producer Kits". :(
Great video series Rabea! I was just wondering, what are your thoughts on electronic drum kits? You're sick when we see you fill in for Ben's absence in the Toska tracking so would you not prefer to get your drums into Logic that way? Or is it simply a space issue that you don't have one?
I pressed multichannel nothing was jumping up how do you guys get your created audio over into Abelton? Need to know asapplease
Hey Bea, is part 3 coming out any time soon?
thanksyou
is the reason you have multiple mics on the kick for example because of the Progressive Foundry expansion? my SD2.0 doesn't only has kick in, kick out and kick sub
That's 3 mics...
Any chance you could post a link to the full song? I'd be interested in hearing the whole thing from start to finish
Ikr? I want to hear it too!
SD sounds beefier than BFD2. I'm on the lookout for an upgrade. BTW - what's your process for recording guitars?
I challenge you to write down some jazz on SP2!!!
I need to hear this song when it's fully done.. please tell me you've finished it !?!! +Rabea Massaad
Mikeyprs21 yeah I finished it. But it's just sat on my HDD because it didn't really fit into anything I'm doing musically.
Aw man! I need to hear this finished track, sounded soo damn goood!
How do divide your hot bar like that?
Can you use Superior Drummer with any DAW?
How long have you been using Logic or just DAW's in general?
I’m about to record an album with my ekit on SD2, if I want to send the engineer a wav/audio file for each mic, would this be a good way? I don’t know how it would be to bounce all the mics at once to separate channels
Great video. Riffs are a little bit wonky. but a cool concept.
El Paco Machin hahaha my riffs aren't for everyone I guess! Thanks for watching
Sure thing dude, love your work with the Andertons crowd, keep it up.
What do you think about using this with Studio One?
Hi, I need a little help with the part when you were adding those AUXs to the original superior. Does anyone know how to do it in Cubase? Only thing I can do is duplicate that channel or add new audio channel which is not the same thing. Thanks
Hey dude, did you figure this part out? Having trouble myself
Yeah, you can do it via Device > VST instruments (or just simply press F11) Then in a pop-up window choose your instrument (SD2.0). It will ask you if you wanna create a MIDI track, that's really up to you. Finally, press the arrow button right next to the previous instrument menu and choose Activate All Outputs and bam! there you have it :)
Thank you very much man!
You're welcome, good luck with your recordings!
Is there any way to get superior drummer cheaper?
What monitors are you using Bea?
I need this skill lol
So is that kind of like Ben's real kit?
What midi keyboard is that ?
Personally, when writing I always program the drums myself, and avoid pre-done grooves, that way it's always unique and individual. It's much more work, but the result is better, and more like the real thing.
I just punch my drum parts in by hand. it's way easier than doing this. at least for me. I also use an actual drum map, not piano roll. because it makes more sense to me.
are you gonna show us how you mixed your drums?
what does quantize mean?
It basically means that you're adjusting the music so that it doesn't sound robotic. This is mainly used for drumming so that when you use a drum machine program it wont sound like a machine. Drummers never consistently hit at the same velocity. So in essence you would want some notes that arent as loud as others to make it sound more natural. I hope this helps shed some light
I think you're slightly wrong here. Quantize means getting the midi hits to be more in time with a particular bar of time like 1/4 or 1/8. You're thinking of 'humanize', where the velocities and timing is slightly changed depending on an inputted value to make it sound more human.
kasey katusky in a nutshell, as a basic summing up, quantise means snapping something to a bar, or region. So by that I mean it makes something metronomically perfect.
Then humanise would be technically making it imperfect by moving notes out of perfect quantising, as I doubt there are many (if any) humans that are metronomically perfect.
its not elaborate but catches attention
De Ay Double You
Feel like you coulda saved a whole lot of time just by using some of Superior's actual midi grooves...
Even if you wanted to 'finger drum' in your own kick and snares, you could have taken just the hats and cymbals out of one of the grooves and got an actual human performance in there.
+kye903 hey man, i'll be getting onto good packs in the future video. I just want to give people information and tools they need if they want to program specific Drum parts for their riffs.
+Rabea Massaad Have 30 years of drummer jokes just become redundant with the exception of *live on stage?*
No more noisy drummers at home when using DAW set-ups ...
Pretty fucking cool!
+Rabea Massaad Yeah, call me crazy. But I love drums that sound like actual drums, as opposed to .................this video is not SD2's fault. Also, the breakout of individual drum tracks is much easier than shown here.
+Piedscooter1 so you want to elaborate or what?
Me and 18 units of booze second the motion... What's the 'easier breakout' of SD2..?
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