Fantastic tutorial. Flush settings have been a challenge for me. Going to try this four point setting. Need to practice before I sign up for some of these amazing lessons.
I had a 4 point center mounting with a 0.20 Ct 3mm moissanite ( brighter than a mined diamond but very small ) it turned a plain 14K signet ring into a really 1st class bright, but not to big or loud gents ringm looked great and then polished and wondered how the goldsmith did that? Really improved the looks and value nice video!
Loved this video and your teaching style, very clear, easy to understand and soothing to listen to. Would you mind sharing where to find a setting blank like you were using? I’ve been making rings to practice setting on, would be much faster to have some premade ones to practice with!
Rach M thank you Rach. I sell setting blanks and student stone setting packs on my website. Check out this link. Cheers. www.jewellerytrainingsolutions.com.au/collections/setting-blanks
Bom dia amigo me informa o nome dessa ferramenta que vc faz os cortes de encaixe na pedrinha por favor? Ferramenta que vc faz as travas não sei o nome mas deve ser isso. Fico no aguardo ok?
Informative and detailed video! Question: for a very narrow ring with a small gem, is it possible to do only two points horizontally across the circumference of the ring? 4 points seems challenging for only a 4mm width ring. Thanks!
So I don’t need a special tool to be able to use gravers. I can just buy the graver and use the handles I have (already purchased a few for use with something else and have extra
Peter, when you say "gypsy setting," do you mean flush setting? I have recently learned the difference between the two. In fact, often, flush setting has been called "false gypsy setting." What are your thoughts on this? Thank you, as always. I think I'm a stonesetting geek, I am always on the edge of my seat watching your videos, trying to LEARN! 🌺🌺🌺
Ive been trying to find out what sort of alloy these blanks are made of. Is this a brass alloy? Is this a material that can actually be worn? Do they sell sheets of it?
Could you just skip the drilling and start with the round burr. Of course start with a center punch mark. But basically if you don’t want to drill through material
Thank you for the great video! Are the videos in your courses as well done as this....camera angles, close ups etc? If so, then I am seriously considering your courses. Could you please clarify something for me--when using a setting burr, it cuts a straight "wall," correct? Then, you come in with a hart burr and how does that make the seat flatter or better? Does the hart burr flatten the seat? TY!!
Thanks Linda. You can pressure fit the stone either using a setting bur or a round bur, but they must be the perfect size. The hart bur is more versatile, it cuts a groove for the stone girdle to click into. So in some cases I will combine all three burs. It really is a matter of 'what works best for you' I make a point of demonstrating lots of options
@@jewellerytrainingsolutions9978 does this technique only work on brass or will it work with many different metals? sorry if it sounds like a dumb question
Dope. I’m working with base metal in school at the moment for star setting. Was “back cutting” and it created a stepped star look which I’m not fond of. Can I anneal the metal to make the graver work easier?
Hi Peter I enjoyed the lesson. I just wonder, by wiggling the graver, don't you leave ugly traces on the bright cut? Wouldn't it be nicer to push the graver straight forward until lifting it up? Otherwise, thanks for all your informative lessons and work you put into this. Greetings from Austria, Joe
Josef Eidler yes Joe avoiding the wiggle and pushing with strength or air assist graver would be tidier for sure, but it can be tough, so I would normally tidy up the facets with a flat graver. I show this during the bright cutting course. Thanks for watching
Thnx a lot sir for increase my knowledge about setting..sir plz tell me what is d name of strument which has fix d ring.and round and up down every side.(sir my english is too week,but i hope u understand what itell u). ...love from panna m.p. india
Hi. I was looking at your course tools & it says a 2.4mm hart bur. Can you tell me where I'd find this size as I've looked everywhere & can only find a 2.5mm or a Busch Carbide Bearing Cutter 90° Burr 2.4mm (will this work for a 2.5mm & 3mm stone?). Thank you so much. Really great video.
I never go off the packet measurement, all my stones would be loose otherwise, they are always out. A 2.5mm hart bur (packet measurement) is actually 2.4mm when you take it out and measure it
@@jewellerytrainingsolutions9978 I guess you are using carbide burrs and drill bits right because the torque specs of Saeshin 207 leave much to be desired, I want to buy an affordable micromotor, not a super expensive NSK ofcourse but something in between. Can you give me a recommendation, I want good torque and able to drill with normal drill bits in yellow gold. The saeshin are the same company who makes motors for Foredom if i’m right.
Saludos desde Australia. Gracias. Si usted visita mi sitio web (enlace que puede encontrar en UA-cam) hay un montón de lecciones gratuitas. Usted verá que si usted habla inglés o no usted será capaz de seguir las lecciones. Salud
Why did you not cut the stars first before putting the stone in your the first person I have seen do this way what is wrong especially when doing a eight pointed star cut the star first then put stones in and secure it , there’s no way to get a good clean job cutting with the stone in .
I disagree. The grain lifting must be done with the stone in the seat, never seen it done with a hand graver any other way. Another technique is to remove material around the seat, leaving metal for the grains as short stubs/islands. The stones are then pressed into the seats and the stubs formed into grains pressed down onto the stones. This is done with burs and/or graver machines, air or electrical assisted. Used in pave or micro pave where the stones almost touches each-other.
Yes you are right John. But this is the first lesson for beginners. I have been teaching for many years and I have found that it works best to take students through the process step by step. The full course has 20 videos showing all the stages. This link will show you what I mean. jewellery-training-solutions.thinkific.com/courses/bright-cutting-student-pack
T0rb1 NAalborg I am not mean lift the grain when the stone is not in the hole , all the cutting is done before the stone goes in the hole that way you can move the grain in pre cut form it will move onto the stone a hell of lot easier, take a look at JURA diamond setting on UA-cam he is one of the best setters in the world, teaching a student to raise and cut from that far back is going to end in tears and possible harm to themselves when the scorper snaps .
Jewellery Training Solutions I have always thought students to raise there first grains with a half round as it will not chip as easily, raising grains that far back is quite advanced, and can I ask do you cut your eight pointed star with the stone in the hole ?
John Daniels no, I teach to cut the decorative star first. That is the next lesson in the curriculum. You should maybe take a look, you don.t have to pay to see the course program
Watching this just cemented the direction I'm going!
dude same how’s it going
I just bought a heap of these blanks from Jewelry solutions to practice on ! All of the styles and sizes love them and the info ! Thank you !
Thank you
Brilliant helpful video! I've been looking for a tutorial on how to do this setting forever!
Outstanding camera work and good instruction! You make it look so easy! Thanks very much!!!
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Fantastic tutorial. Flush settings have been a challenge for me. Going to try this four point setting. Need to practice before I sign up for some of these amazing lessons.
same HAHAHAHA
Thank you so much for this video. Super helpful and well-presented. Your time and effort is most appreciated!
Crystal clear explanation and video footage. Thank you very much. 👍
Great videos, very informative. Only found you yesterday, watched 3 tutorials so far & looking forward to many more. Thank you
Beautiful video and instruction! Thank you sooo much!
That was Awesome! Now have to purchase all the tools...Nice Videos, very soothing... 🩷
excellent video, I would love to see how you sharpen the burnishers
Such a beautiful setting. Thanks for sharing your skills.
I adore your online lessons. Thank you so much for sharing.
Very informative, great camera angles. Thank you!
Thanks Peter! Excellent tutorial!
I’m so excited, I just purchased the Gypsy setting course!! On my 2020 goals to achieve
MetalROKJewellery welcome, I’m sure you’ll get a lot from the course and reach your goal. Let me know how you go. Cheers
Jewellery Training Solutions can I just ask you in the beginning of the video you refer to the tool list ? Where is that ?
@@metalrokjewellery You will find that in the last chapter called Gypsy setting tool tips
Jewellery Training Solutions excellent thank you
Outstanding John setting
New Subscriber. I was looking for this and WOW it is perfect. Exactly the information I needed. Thank you
Very well explained, they are a very good teacher.
Thank you! I needed a way to put stones onto sheet .😄
I had a 4 point center mounting with a 0.20 Ct 3mm moissanite ( brighter than a mined diamond but very small ) it turned a plain 14K signet ring into a really 1st class bright, but not to big or loud gents ringm looked great and then polished and wondered how the goldsmith did that? Really improved the looks and value nice video!
Just found your channel and subscribed and especially “ liked” thank you
Really great video, thank you for uploading!
Loved it. Thank you. Excellent tutorial, 🎉
Amazing Video ! Do you have the blade specifications ? 😊 trying to figure it out
Nice work. Great control. 🥰
Hi! I loved this tutorial - thank you! How do you know what size graver to use?
Lovely tutorial, thanks for sharing! :)
Wonderful tutorial. Thanks!
Loved this video and your teaching style, very clear, easy to understand and soothing to listen to. Would you mind sharing where to find a setting blank like you were using? I’ve been making rings to practice setting on, would be much faster to have some premade ones to practice with!
Rach M thank you Rach. I sell setting blanks and student stone setting packs on my website. Check out this link. Cheers. www.jewellerytrainingsolutions.com.au/collections/setting-blanks
Really nice tuturial
Great tutorial!!!
Perfect lesson.
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Love this tutorial
Can you send link for tools
Very informative. Thanks.
Thank you so much it was a great video
Excellent sir...
Thanks for this tutorial
Fantastic, thank you!!
Great video.
Hi. This might be a really silly question but how is that a square graver? It looks more triangular to me
Art, thanks man
thank you！great tutorial！
How thick should the legal be to flush set a stone
Bom dia amigo me informa o nome dessa ferramenta que vc faz os cortes de encaixe na pedrinha por favor? Ferramenta que vc faz as travas não sei o nome mas deve ser isso. Fico no aguardo ok?
Great, thank you
Thanks!
A 45 degree hart no less. I prefer those for almost all melee above even setting burs. Hardly even use setting burs anymore.
magnífico trabalho, parabéns
Informative and detailed video! Question: for a very narrow ring with a small gem, is it possible to do only two points horizontally across the circumference of the ring? 4 points seems challenging for only a 4mm width ring. Thanks!
Yes that is possible as long as the stone is seated in the setting nice and tight
@@jewellerytrainingsolutions9978 Thank you. I think i may try it out on a silver ring I have with a 1-1.5mm gem.
Wonderful
So I don’t need a special tool to be able to use gravers. I can just buy the graver and use the handles I have (already purchased a few for use with something else and have extra
I have lessons on how to prepare gravers on the website
Peter, when you say "gypsy setting," do you mean flush setting? I have recently learned the difference between the two. In fact, often, flush setting has been called "false gypsy setting." What are your thoughts on this? Thank you, as always. I think I'm a stonesetting geek, I am always on the edge of my seat watching your videos, trying to LEARN! 🌺🌺🌺
Yes gypsy setting is the term used in UK and Australia but it’s the same.
Thanks
Very NICE, THANK YOU !!!
Ive been trying to find out what sort of alloy these blanks are made of. Is this a brass alloy? Is this a material that can actually be worn? Do they sell sheets of it?
Its known as antique brass, or cartridge brass
Could you just skip the drilling and start with the round burr. Of course start with a center punch mark. But basically if you don’t want to drill through material
Very nice. Thank you Sir.
Thank you for the great video! Are the videos in your courses as well done as this....camera angles, close ups etc? If so, then I am seriously considering your courses. Could you please clarify something for me--when using a setting burr, it cuts a straight "wall," correct? Then, you come in with a hart burr and how does that make the seat flatter or better? Does the hart burr flatten the seat? TY!!
Thanks Linda. You can pressure fit the stone either using a setting bur or a round bur, but they must be the perfect size. The hart bur is more versatile, it cuts a groove for the stone girdle to click into. So in some cases I will combine all three burs. It really is a matter of 'what works best for you' I make a point of demonstrating lots of options
@@jewellerytrainingsolutions9978 does this technique only work on brass or will it work with many different metals? sorry if it sounds like a dumb question
@@zarinai2777 this will work best on all non Ferrous and precious metal alloys
@@jewellerytrainingsolutions9978 thank you so much!
Thank-you.
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hi pls where can i get the green tamplate any info would be great thx
What happened to Lui Elizondo Documetary Series on this ? I watched it , it was brilliant . But disappeared from the internet last year
Dope. I’m working with base metal in school at the moment for star setting. Was “back cutting” and it created a stepped star look which I’m not fond of. Can I anneal the metal to make the graver work easier?
Yes that would help. Also check that the brass is standard brass and not machining brass which is hard as hell!
Hi Peter
I enjoyed the lesson. I just wonder, by wiggling the graver, don't you leave ugly traces on the bright cut? Wouldn't it be nicer to push the graver straight forward until lifting it up? Otherwise, thanks for all your informative lessons and work you put into this. Greetings from Austria, Joe
Josef Eidler yes Joe avoiding the wiggle and pushing with strength or air assist graver would be tidier for sure, but it can be tough, so I would normally tidy up the facets with a flat graver. I show this during the bright cutting course. Thanks for watching
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Does brass stone pusher is ok for all stones? Or just diamonds?
Amazing
Amazing video!! Can you do this technique on a half round band?
Yes indeed, as long as there's room
what is the degree of the hart burr, as there are 45, 70 and 90 available, thank you
90 degree
@jewellerytrainingsolutions9978 thank you for the quick answer!
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Thnx a lot sir for increase my knowledge about setting..sir plz tell me what is d name of strument which has fix d ring.and round and up down every side.(sir my english is too week,but i hope u understand what itell u).
...love from panna m.p. india
bodhisatwa soni I think you are referring to the ring clamp, it’s a GRS bench mate
Trabalho excelente!
THANK YOU
how many mm thick is this square graver please? I'm looking at ordering one.
2.5mm but you can use a smaller one too
Thank you for such a detailed video, what size graver is this? What size would one use for a 2.5mm stone?
Its a 2.5mm Square graver
@@jewellerytrainingsolutions9978 Thank you! The square graver at my jewelry store looks nothing like the shape of yours, I am so confused.
@@jewellerytrainingsolutions9978 What shape or kind of graver handle are you using here?
@@1827handmade did you have any luck finding this out?
i did very much soo thank you!!!!
Are those .05 pointers stones?
Verry nice
Bundle of thanks sir
Hi. I was looking at your course tools & it says a 2.4mm hart bur. Can you tell me where I'd find this size as I've looked everywhere & can only find a 2.5mm or a Busch Carbide Bearing Cutter 90° Burr 2.4mm (will this work for a 2.5mm & 3mm stone?). Thank you so much. Really great video.
Sorry I need to be more specific. Can you suggest an affordable UK retailer. I find loads in the USA but the postage is through the roof. Thank you.
I never go off the packet measurement, all my stones would be loose otherwise, they are always out. A 2.5mm hart bur (packet measurement) is actually 2.4mm when you take it out and measure it
@@jewellerytrainingsolutions9978 Thank you so much for all your in depth answers to my questions. I really appreciate you taking the time.
@@swwsociety1877 , you've got one of the best selling companies in UK - go to cooksongold. They've also got a physical shop in London.
where can i buy the setting blanks
jewellery-training-solutions.myshopify.com/
Nice!
Hey man, where can I purchase me some blanks online? I would love to try this. Please let me know, thanks. Great video by the way.
Yes certainly. Go to the website shop. This page has the settings; jewellery-training-solutions.myshopify.com/collections/blanks-stones
Can you list the tools?
Go to the link in the discription and you will find a tool list
Are you using a Seashin or a Foredom micromotor?
Sheashin, they are great. Foredom are good too but quite expensive
@@jewellerytrainingsolutions9978 I guess you are using carbide burrs and drill bits right because the torque specs of Saeshin 207 leave much to be desired, I want to buy an affordable micromotor, not a super expensive NSK ofcourse but something in between. Can you give me a recommendation, I want good torque and able to drill with normal drill bits in yellow gold. The saeshin are the same company who makes motors for Foredom if i’m right.
For an affordable one look at a marathon N8
Sabe es un bello arte. Es muy hermoso como puedo tomar lecciones soy de Ecuador u no se inglés. Un poquito se pero viendo lo entiendo y lo se
Saludos desde Australia. Gracias. Si usted visita mi sitio web (enlace que puede encontrar en UA-cam) hay un montón de lecciones gratuitas. Usted verá que si usted habla inglés o no usted será capaz de seguir las lecciones. Salud
You are very wonderful
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Thank a lot! Love u :x
Do you really need to cut a hole out the bottom??? I really dont want to for appearance
In the online setting courses I talk about the pros and cons of drilling through or not.
@@jewellerytrainingsolutions9978 I have heard it was necessary for light to go through stone
Where did you get the hand tool? The gray.
Search " Dremel" sir
No that doesn’t look like dremel
it's a micro motor, there are different brands, if you are in the USA check Riogrande, OttoFrei, Contenti, they are the three suppliers i buy from.
More info please
Do you mean the grave? If you mean the thing he pushed the star with, the 45° thing, he made that himself
What's the name of that tool? it is an engraving tool?
Gabriela Ortiz not sure which one you mean, it’s either the graver pusher or beader
@@jewellerytrainingsolutions9978 yeah a graver pusher, the one that you use to make the star setting.
Thank you
The main tool is a square graver
Jewellery Training Solutions hello Peter what size is the square graver that you use ? Great tut by the way! Bloody ripper!
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Peter, which handpiece are you using with your micro motor? Please, and thank you.
Im using a strong 207s micromotor, they have a quick release hand piece.
@Jewellery Training Solutions thank you so much.
Nice.sir
Harika
Why did you not cut the stars first before putting the stone in your the first person I have seen do this way what is wrong especially when doing a eight pointed star cut the star first then put stones in and secure it , there’s no way to get a good clean job cutting with the stone in .
I disagree.
The grain lifting must be done with the stone in the seat, never seen it done with a hand graver any other way.
Another technique is to remove material around the seat, leaving metal for the grains as short stubs/islands. The stones are then pressed into the seats and the stubs formed into grains pressed down onto the stones.
This is done with burs and/or graver machines, air or electrical assisted.
Used in pave or micro pave where the stones almost touches each-other.
Yes you are right John. But this is the first lesson for beginners. I have been teaching for many years and I have found that it works best to take students through the process step by step. The full course has 20 videos showing all the stages. This link will show you what I mean. jewellery-training-solutions.thinkific.com/courses/bright-cutting-student-pack
T0rb1 NAalborg I am not mean lift the grain when the stone is not in the hole , all the cutting is done before the stone goes in the hole that way you can move the grain in pre cut form it will move onto the stone a hell of lot easier, take a look at JURA diamond setting on UA-cam he is one of the best setters in the world, teaching a student to raise and cut from that far back is going to end in tears and possible harm to themselves when the scorper snaps .
Jewellery Training Solutions
I have always thought students to raise there first grains with a half round as it will not chip as easily, raising grains that far back is quite advanced, and can I ask do you cut your eight pointed star with the stone in the hole ?
John Daniels no, I teach to cut the decorative star first. That is the next lesson in the curriculum. You should maybe take a look, you don.t have to pay to see the course program
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