Rabbi Tovia Singer unhinges the Septuagint and Greek
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- Опубліковано 16 лип 2020
- An Interview with Rabbi Tovia Singer:
Rabbi Singer candidly unravels the position of Septuagint by referring to the facts of the Greek translation of the Torah. Then what did Jesus read in Luke 4?
He addresses the Greek in the manuscripts of the New Testament and exposes how the Septuagint was not a singular Greek translation of the Old Testament but...
The oldest septuagint manuscripts tend to precede the Hebrew manuscripts
what kind of a pipedream is that???
Just another christian empty talk, I am sure. 🥱
@@firstname3241 yep. that's the outcome if one is up to his neck in idolatry.
in order to defend their idol jesus many christians do almost everything.
@@YishuvHaDaat - The Hebrew manuscripts that were used in translating to the Greek were later edited and corrupted from around late 1st.Century CE and this process was continued by the Masoretes. As a result the Hebrew manuscripts your Tanakh is based on is no older that around 800AD so in that sense he is correct.
@@fredgillespie5855 I just copy and paste my last statement that I wrote under a different thread where you made your wild claims. usually it doesn't make much sense to talk to people like you, so I don't want to waste time writing a new comment:
if you would have just a little bit of knowledge about the Hebrew language and how everything was first passed down ORALLY from Moses to the Israelites, then LATER written on parchment, you would not make these claims.
the masoretes were just putting the "Niqqud"-system in the scriptures because there was the threat that everything would get lost.
do you even know what I am talking about?
do you know what the "Niqqud" system is and why the masoretes came up with it?
I don't think so.
first do some research about history and what really happened before you accuse the masoretes.
take time and apply some REAL logic before you share your wild stories here.
and remember:
you will stand before HASHEM some day.
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Very enlightening...I never thought of the process! I had never given a moments thought to what "scriptures" were available to the average Jew at the time of Christ!
What text did the Masoretes use for their translation?
Watch and find out - "The Old Testament and Rabbi Akiva" Barry Setterfield. Very informative.
Shalom! I have a question - what if Yeshua wasn't quoting Isaiah 61, but Isaiah 42 (@ v.v. 6 and 7?)...
6 “I, the Lord, have called you in righteousness;
I will take hold of your hand.
I will keep you and will make you
to be a covenant for the people
and a light(Y) for the Gentiles,
7 to open eyes that are blind,
to free captives from prison
and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness.
The MT reads: ániy y'hwäh q'rätiykhä v'tzedeq w'ach'zëq B'yädekhä w'eTZär'khä w'eTen'khä liv'riyt äm l'ôr Gôyim
lif'qoªch ëynayim iw'rôt l'hôtziy miMaš'Gër aŠiyr miBëyt Kele yosh'vëy choshekh'
Bc that prophecy goes on which Jesus didn‘t fulfill: 8 “I am the Lord; that is my name!
I will not yield my glory to another
or my praise to idols.
9 See, the former things have taken place,
and new things I declare;
before they spring into being
I announce them to you.”
10 Sing to the Lord a new song,
his praise from the ends of the earth,
you who go down to the sea, and all that is in it,
you islands, and all who live in them.
11 Let the wilderness and its towns raise their voices;
let the settlements where Kedar lives rejoice.
Let the people of Sela sing for joy;
let them shout from the mountaintops.
12 Let them give glory to the Lord
and proclaim his praise in the islands.
13 The Lord will march out like a champion,
like a warrior he will stir up his zeal;
with a shout he will raise the battle cry
and will triumph over his enemies.
If the primary written language is such a big factor to determine the authenticity of Holy books that makes the Quran (Arabic) and the Old testament (Hebrew) the only un-corrupted Holy Books, this of course represent a big problem because, .. "they don't match"
Only, the tanach was not mainly in Hebrew originally, it was in Aramaic and proto-Hebrew (a version even older than the biblical Hebrew we know today). At least we know that the version we have today was faithfully translated and carefully preserved both by practice and divine design. The Qur'an wasn't originally in Arabic either. It was translated from mostly parts of Syriac Aramaic (liturgy, hymns, poetry and lectionaries) Hebrew (late Christian and Hebrew apocryphal books and folk tales). The Qur'an is however hardly reliable, has changed extensively, with large parts being discarded and versions destroyed and even in the thirty-some versions available today and early manuscripts (sources of which originated about two hundred years after the supposed death of Muhammad) containing material differences and contradictions. It isn't well attested to by external witnesses such as archaeology or external references either. Do you know that even the most learned Muslim scholars say of about 25% of the Qur'an that "only God knows" what it means? No, you can safely discard the Qur'an. Not so with the tanach and New Testament.
@@deniss2 Great information, thanks.
@@deniss2 not only the Quran was, is in Arabic. In fact 15 (fifteen) verses clearly read that it is in Arabic. Additionally the "Arabic language" used was another proof/challenge in response to what you & others have mistakenly claimed. It literally says the language itself will be proof to skeptics.
@@deniss2 thank God for carbon 12 dating. Check out one of the original copies in Birmingham university in the UK. Read it and try not to weep
@@us.nyc.10011 I'm not even going to answer you. Please look at some videos on pfander films channel or search Jay Smith. Islam, Muhammad and the Qur'an are not what you think.
24:50 Jesus must have spoke Hebrew because he had a conversation with Nicodemus... So what of Jesus' conversation with Pilate?
Did any Roman official bother to learn the language of the common folk, like Aramaic?
Unfortunately, the Four Gospels were not written by Jesus’s followers. They were written by educated Greek writers 40-65 years later.
We know nothing about or what Jesus said.
@@michealfriedman7084 You know nothing because you don't want to know so God has blinded you as a result. Let's make it absolutely clear.
Even if we didn't have the New Testament, the Old Testament prophecies would be enough to reconstruct everything we need to know about Jesus: his virgin birth, the 30 pieces of silver, the trial, his planned grave with the wicked and with the rich at his death, him and his disciples becoming for signs and wonders in Israel, resurrection (seeing the lght of life upon the travail of his soul), being high and lifted up as the Lord and seated at the right hand of the Lord Yahweh, etc.
@@igenfl
Blinded me, how?
@@michealfriedman7084 *"Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed."*
This is how
Are you saying original Hebrew is ancient paleo Hebrew or the modern Hebrew as they two different things ….I hear koine greek is paleo Hebrew in reverse script written the opposite direction
Did you hear it? From who? The person who said must have never heard of information, or you should listen to him in reverse. Hebrew is the language, Holy one, but scripts can be different. Like in English, you have 26 letters that can be written many many ways, just look at the fonts on your computer. Some of them you probably cannot even easily read, but they all represent the same 26 letters of the same English language.
One last point, I do believe there many texts in the Dead Sea Scrolls that are to be found nowhere in the Masoretic text. Hmmm?
Where are you getting your information? The incredible thing about the Dead Sea scrolls is how they confirm masoratic text. There are typos that the qumarians made e.g. they misquote the height of Goliath. But the wonderful thing is that they dispel any myth that there is any reference to the Jesus, and they confirm that the Christian New Testament is false by confirming that the author of Matthew was misquoting and making up his fulfillment citations.
Neutral academic scholars agree that the rabbis who transmitted the masoratic text were insanely accurate.
Now compare that to the lying Christian mess:
There are more contradictions between ancient christian manuscripts than there are words in the New Testament.
If anyone wants to confirm what I say just google “dead sea scrolls confirm masoratic text” you will see many authoritative, scholarly, academic sources that confirm what I wrote.
Additionally reference the Matthew fulfillment citations against the Dead Sea scrolls and you will see the lies of the church right before your face.
Shalom!
I just googled this out of curiosity and found that 35% agree with the Masoretic, 5% with the Septuagint, and another 5% with the Samaritan Pentateuch.
@@RuskiyStandardRaw please show us where anything found in the Dead Sea scrolls disagrees with the Hebrew Bible and agrees with the mistranslations presented in the New Testament.
@@room7594 please reread my message I don't think you understood it.
@@RuskiyStandardRaw ok so I just took 5 secs and googled “Dead Sea scrolls Masoretic text”
And the first result is from the Norte dame news.
Here is the pull quote google lists as the top result:
“The Masoretic manuscripts among the Dead Sea Scrolls are astonishingly similar to the standard Hebrew texts 1,000 years later, proving that Jewish scribes were accurate in preserving and transmitting the Masoretic Scriptures.”
What is your source?
I am happy to look at any .edu or academic publication you want to reference that states that only 35% of the Dead Sea scrolls agree with the Masoretic text.
Now if you are saying that 35% of the Dead Sea scrolls are canonical books then that is something different.
Many non canonical books (1enoch etc) are a part of that library.
The dss show that the Christian claim of anti Jesus tampering by the masorites is a false claim. That is why that argument is not made any more.
I heard that the mosaratic texts changed what is actually said in the original Hebrew. What is your answer to this? Who is lying the fathers or the Rabbis in the 4th century?
Both of them, of course. Note that the relatively ancient dead sea scrolls agree with both versions in different places.
@@Sveccha93 😆
@Abraham Mani lol people have existed for about a million years...no one cares about your new baby religion from Greek civilization
You were lied to. Mskretic is just vowel andmysical notes. No ketter change. By a token you get nob maskretic on one side and can confirm no difference yourself.
Then demand explanation from whoever lied to you aboit the masoretic text
“I heard” 🫢, ok. 🤣
Makes sense why would jesus read from the septuagint in Luke 4 ? They had the original hebrew scroll there so why would they even have a septuagint in the synagog.
right.
they would never used scrolls written in the language of their enemies.
But the original Hebrew scroll was NOT the Masoretic. The original Hebrew was corrupted deliberately towards the end of the 1st C. and that is the Hebrew you have today - and easy to prove if you take the time and apply some logic.
@@fredgillespie5855 if you would have just a little bit of knowledge about the Hebrew language and how everything was first passed down ORALLY from Moses to the Israelites, then LATER written on parchment, you would not make these claims.
the masoretes were just putting the "Niqqud"-system in the scriptures because there was the threat that everything would get lost.
do you even know what I am talking about?
do you know what the "Niqqud" system is and why the masoretes came up with it?
I don't think so.
first do some research about history and what really happened before you accuse the masoretes.
take time and apply some REAL logic before you share your wild stories here.
and remember:
you will stand before HASHEM some day.
@@fredgillespie5855 It was the church corrupting it for sure.
@@YishuvHaDaatwe have no original Hebrew Bible infact Judaism don’t exist until the Greek period no Moses Passover or Torah before Hellenistic period
Rabbi, one question if you please: Which is more consistent with the Dead Sea Scrolls: the Masoretic text or the Septuagint? As a Catholic who attended a Jesuit HS, I was taught that “the Dead Sea Scrolls actually have more in common with the Greek Septuagint than the traditional Hebrew Masoretic text”.
As a matter of fact, if memory serves me, the places where the Masoretic text and Septuagint diverge, the Dead Sea Scrolls are much more likely to agree with the Septuagint than the Masoretic text.
One more thing I would point out, at the time of Christ, more Jews spoke Greek than Hebrew and were fully Hellenized.
People in ancient Palestine could barely even read or write. And the common language of the people was Aramaic, not Greek. Greek was an administrative languge. The Scriptures were in Hebrew, not in Greek. The teachers of the law, the rabbis, the pharisees spoke Hebrew as well. The Hellenized Jews were not in Palestine, where Jesus lived and where the New Testament events regarding his life take place.
Greek translation called sacred by the sages
Talmud Bavli
Megillah 9B:4
“The mishna cites that Rabban Shimon ben
Gamliel says: Even with regard to Torah scrolls, the Sages permitted them to be written only in Greek. Rabbi Abbahu said that Rabbi Yohanan said: The halakha is in accordance with the opinion of Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel.
And Rabbi Yohanan said: What is the reason for the opinion of Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel?
He based his opinion on an allusion in the Torah, as the verse states: "God shall enlarge Japheth, and He shall dwell in the tents of Shem" (Genesis 9:27), indicating that the words of Japheth shall be in the tents of Shem.
The language of Javan, who is the forbear of the Greek nation and one of the descendants of Japheth, will also serve as a sacred language in the tents of Shem, where Torah is studied.”
@@eurech - You are contradicting the rabbi, he said that Greek was the common language throughout the Greek empire - that included Palestine.
The Septuagint was expanded from the original five books to include all the OT within a couple of generations. It was accurately copied and widely available - by the popular demand of Greek speaking Jews who didn't understand Hebrew. What's more, the Hebrew scriptures that were existent in the first century were the uncorrupted ones. By the beginning of the 2nd century these were gone and replaced by Akiva's corrupt version.
If you were to watch some of the YT videos on the Septuagint you would come to the conclusion that this rabbi is a devious fraudster - true to form with the Pharisees Jesus encountered.
@@fredgillespie5855the Dead Sea scrolls Matches 60% of the Masoretic text with minor variations and 40% are exact copies he is not lying I got all that from Wikipedia Jerome used the Hebrew scroll alongside some of the Greek Septuagint for the vulgate as some of the quotes in the nt matched the Hebrew text and some matched the Greek I guess Jerome is a fraud lol and Martin Luther Is one also I guess as well for using the Hebrew text lol The Vulgate is usually credited as being the first translation of the Old Testament into Latin directly from the Hebrew Tanakh rather than from the Greek Septuagint. Jerome's extensive use of exegetical material written in Greek, as well as his use of the Aquiline and Theodotiontic columns of the Hexapla, along with the somewhat paraphrastic style[25] in which he translated, makes it difficult to determine exactly how direct the conversion of Hebrew to Latin was.[a][26][27] Augustine of Hippo, a contemporary of Jerome, states in Book XVII ch. 43 of his The City of God that "in our own day the priest Jerome, a great scholar and master of all three tongues, has made a translation into Latin, not from Greek but directly from the original Hebrew."[28] Nevertheless, Augustine still maintained that the Septuagint, alongside the Hebrew, witnessed the inspired text of Scripture and consequently pressed Jerome for complete copies of his Hexaplar Latin translation of the Old Testament, a request that Jerome ducked with the excuse that the originals had been lost "through someone's dishonesty"
@@fredgillespie5855 theme of the Old Testament prologues is Jerome's preference for the Hebraica veritas (i.e., Hebrew truth) over the Septuagint, a preference which he defended from his detractors. After Jerome had translated some parts of the Septuagint into Latin, he came to consider the text of the Septuagint as being faulty in itself, i.e. Jerome thought mistakes in the Septuagint text were not all mistakes made by copyists, but that some mistakes were part of the original text itself as it was produced by the Seventy translators. Jerome believed that the Hebrew text more clearly prefigured Christ than the Greek of the Septuagint, since he believed some quotes of the Old Testament in the New Testament were not present in the Septuagint, but existed in the Hebrew version; Jerome gave some of those quotes in his prologue to the Pentateuch.
If the original Hebrew was 'young woman' and the short term prophecy given to Ahab was the original context, then Matthew made an interpretive insight about this 'God with us' as a sort of double fulfillment, which would work either way of what the original Hebrew was. Was Isaiah betrothed or just recently consummating a marriage? I don't know about that part of the story. I still wonder if the original Hebrew was 'young woman' or 'virgin' as in the Septuagint. We Christians wonder about potential motives for changing the text. I guess you do too, as to what we want to believe about this renegade Rabbi.
Truth is that the Greek, which Paul got directly from the Septuagint, is the most faithful way in which the term meaning "young woman" could be translated and means the same. The English translation to "virgin" is predicated on the context which makes it clear that the young woman was a virgin. The same applies to the text in Isaiah though. Context makes it clear that a virgin is referred to, as marriage was consummated at the time of the wedding and even today in most traditions, a woman is considered to be legally an adult for all practical purposes once married, irrespective of her physical age. Also, Moshe, as a type of Yeshua, was symbolically "born of a virgin" when Pharaoh's daughter took him from the Nile and raised him as her own.
Virhin, bwtula is in isaiah multiple times and chrustian translations write virgin there stop being silly here. Almah means young girl nothing to do with how much se. She is having. She happens to be Isaiah's wife and a prophetess herself and not a virhin already pregnant with child
Motive for changing the text is teying to write a virgin birth into to the tabach when it isn't there.
@@goldengun9970 It is impossible to decipher the meaning of your reply, so I'm going to answer in a different way. Do you think Isaiah 11:1 is messianic? Well, here Isaiah refers to a נזר - go to Nazareth, and you'll see the shoots growing from the roots of trees and note that, if one of them is cut off after settling itself in good earth, it will grow it's own branches and form a new tree. This is what he is describing. Why the "stump" of Jesse? Why a cut off tree? Because the promise to David seems to have been cut off with the curse against Jechoniah. Why the נזר? Because the branch is not from the male lineage, but the female lineage, implying the virgin birth. And when Yeshua, the Nazarene, was cut off, a new tree was formed; separate from the old, dead tree that could produce no fruit.
God at creation tells of the virgin birth by saying to the snake, "I shall put enmity between your seed and HER seed. You will bruise his heel (nails through the heels at crucifiction) and he shall crush your head (the anti-Christ who shall be wounded to the head, but survive). Moshe had two births, a natural one as a Levite to his Hebrew mother and another supernatural birth as a prince when pharaoh's daughter pulled him from the Nile after her mikvah. Note that she had not been with a man, and thus Moshe had a type of virgin birth and he became a priest and king. As a type of the Messiah, this is significant. Só, you dispute the messianic prophecy of Isaiah 7, even though the evidence is clearly there and most early rabbis agreed with this, so I'll leave that out. But, how about the priestly king Melchisedek, the king of Salem? No-one knew anything about his ancestry, yet Abraham paid him a tithe.
I'm afraid the evidence is overwhelming. How many witnesses do you need before you'll see the truth?
@@deniss2 I was just pointing our that the correct word for virgin which is betula is in isaiah several times and cbrjstian translations in those places do tra skated it as virgin. If isaiah 7 she was a virgin and this is the place you get to show virgin birth in tanach to match your Nt they would say betula. Instead they say almah which is young woman.
And yes unlike isaiah 7 it is messianic in isaiah 11. Jesse is David's father and the shoot springing forth is the messiah to be descended from david who was promised that and Solomon, David's son who was promised that.
I particularly like the verse 2 of chapter 11 showing he has fear of the Lord. He is not G-d, G-d would not fear himself. Same in verse 3.
Here we see him using his mouth to rebuke the nations and his mouth to bring about world peace. We see the whole world will have knowledge of G-d. All of the rewt of us jews who arent already in israel will be returned to israel including from the 10 tribes. Which of course matches up with other prophecies of the messiah saying the same thing all over tanach.
No messiah isaiah 7 or 9. Yes messiah in isaiah 11.
Habe no idea what you mean when you say Nazareth that is a place and that word does not appear in this chapter. You also write maybe nazir (I am trying everything to understand) and that is a person who takes on certain vowels. What you must mean is from the first verse of chapter 11 the word 'venetzer'. The ve is a prefix meaning 'and' and 'netzer' you will uave tra skated as branch or shoot. Nothing to do with Nazareth.
Where are you getting this cut off business from? No stump or anything is being cut off. Here the first verse of chapter 11 in English for you.
"And a shoot shall spring forth from the stem of Jesse, and a twig shall sprout forth from roots.
In bereishit/genesis G-d just says that their will be enmity between you guys in future for all your generations. Thqt is what seed is doing there. No virgin birth there either. No crucifixion there either. Just the same as enemy always being g lowly down and easily killed with our heel and us never natirally liking snakes.
Moshe also just had the one birth. He is completely human with human origins like all of us. Being pulled oit of the water was just a baby being pulled oit of the water. No rebirth weirdness. He even was buried by the way in an unmarked grave so as to make sure no one wrongly worshiped him there in future. Bug no no in our religion. No divine G-dmen. Probably why isaiah and all over tanach it says directly G-d is not man.
Diesnt say anything about Moshe'a mother not being with a man and givung us any reason to ever imagine it was a virgin birth. He became a prophet. He never ruled as a king either. Saulnwas the first king we had. David was the 2nd.
Melchizedek was Shem the best son of Noah. Nit sure ahat aboit him you now try bring up. We do know aboit his lineage. Can trace it right back to Adam. We like his blessing too.
You haven't given any evidence. Not just not overwhelming. You just made ridiculous and outright galse statements in this rant of yours.
@@goldengun9970 Since you're such an eminent linguist, explain the difference between naarah, almah and bethulah. Why does almah have the connotation of being a veiled woman?
As I explained, the rod comes from the stump, which is a trunk of a tree that was cut off. That is the house of David, Jesse's son and king of Israel, which was cut off by Jechoniah's curse. But, for God's promise to be kept, a branch נזר had to grow to keep the messianic and kingly promise. Note that this branch grows from the roots. Ask someone from Nazareth (same root word as נזר) what a nezer is, and they will point to the offshoot roots that grow from the lower stem of trees and can grow as a separate tree, making its own branches, if you sever it from the original tree. As prophesied, Yeshua was cut off, and thus formed a new tree. A natural descendancy through the tree, of a father begetting sons, is normal branching of the family tree. What is it when a new tree shoots from the roots? It is the virgin birth, the mother is from the lineage and the father is God.
It is only fitting that God, manifest in the flesh (which does not make him absent elsewhere in space and time due to this specific presence here), would find his delight in the fear of God. Yet he claimed over and over again that he was God with us, Emmanuel.
It is the same Yeshua who shall return and usher in the millennial reign of peace and rule physically for the day of God's rest. He is the same who predicted from the beginning through Cain and Able that the one who offered a sacrifice of obedience through the works of the law as a grain offering, seedtime and harvest, would be exiled (Cain symbolises Judah) after killing the one who offered the work of the covenant of grace through the blood of the Lamb (Able symbolises Yeshua). This is exactly what happened at the death of Yeshua.
This is the meaning of him cursing the fig tree for bearing no fruit. Directly after this, he tells his disciples that the sign of his return would be the budding of the fig tree and that this generation would not pass away until all these things happen. The fig tree budded in 1948 when Israel was re-established from nothing. Why were they not destroyed in exile? Because God gave Cain a mark or sign that he would not be killed. Now, before the passing of the generation started in 1948, 70 to 80 years, the great day of the Lord shall come and these events fulfilled, just as the exile and destruction of the temple were.
Where do you find the genealogy of Melchizedek? Certainly not in the Bible.
Wasn't it a Greek speaking World. Got wanted to get his word out to other Nations. So it's not exclusive to Jews.
No. At that time Aramaic was what us jews spoke most commonly. Not Greek
Isaiah 35:5 talks about healing the blind to see
That isn't people physically blind who can't see objects in front of them
@@goldengun9970 John 9:41
Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you say, ‘We see.’ Therefore your sin remains.
@isaacdominguez474 the point is that the tanach doesn't have the messiah doing any miracles anywhere. Isaiah 35 has blind seeing and people hearing in that they will finally be following the prophets and doing what they want and isaiah 35 has no mention at all of the messiah. Who knows what relevance you think your john quote has
@@goldengun9970 You just purposely misunderstood the verse I sent in John 9? He was clearly referring to your first critique of the prophetic words of Isaiah!!!
Isaiah talks about Messiah healing the deaf, the blind and the lame... As well as other prophecies of Messiah atoning for sins...
Secondly why would every single miracle need to be prophesied? Where was that said to be a requirement in the old testament???
Not to mention the other prophecies fulfilled.
Jews are apostates with a dead atonement system.
There is only salvation at the cross.
Tovia is making it out like the translators have problems. We have many manuscripts from the way back time. So the issues with the translation of Greek in the Septuagint are very familiar. None of these change doctrine, and the Jewish Rabbis were very comfortable reading and quoting the Septuagint for hundreds of years. The Jews had a problem with the Septuagint after Jesus showed up , they wanted to come up with their own version. Anyway there isn't a problem with the translation. We can all read it for ourselves and we do in almost every language. Bibles are translated from the Hebrew OT and the Greek NT.
The Septuagint isn't used for making Bibles today. It is a study resource. Tovia is creating another hide the information in the dump truck drop off. This is what weak arguments run to.
So if the jews forgot so much Hebrew, than how would they know or recognize the translation errors when Greek version was possible?? they just loved their El so much they forgot the truth and studies also (sarcasm). The language isn't built same way and don't translate across the board equally. Greeks loved their trinity type gods. So there's that aspect as well. Somethings missing in critical thinking when you seek only the answer you look for. That isn't critical. Truth may very well be something I don't like, something you may not like, doesnt make it less true. Accepting fools gold won't balance out on scales, but it will appear "I tried" that should be enough for the Almighty, right? Lol
@@honeyspoonbeewrangler4550
I can't tell if you tried. I can't read minds.
The point I made was everyone spoke Greek when the Septuagint was done. Most people could read it for themselves or have it read to them. That wasn't true for the Hebrew text at that time. Hebrew was already a 1400 year old language and languages change over time. We don't speak King James English anymore but it is still English. So we make translations people can read using today's language.
Tovia is trying to tell us to learn Hebrew so we can read the OT. He's wrong on this, the Jews in Israel today don't speak OT Hebrew. There are words in the OT that aren't used today. languages change over time.
If Tovia were correct, why don't we go back and learn to read Hebrew in its original format? When it was first written it didn't have spaces between words. It didn't have any vowels. So if we really want to know what it says we need to read it that way because that was the first way. See the flaw in Tovia's argument? Today people read the Bible in their own languages and they are reading God's word for themselves. There is no secret to reading it in Hebrew to be gained. There's no conspiracy in it either, everyone is translating from the original texts and the work will always be getting done because languages change over time.
@Abraham Mani Yes I believe in the One God has sent, Jesus Christ.
@@honeyspoonbeewrangler4550 The Septuagint is a good translation into Greek. Almost everyone in the Jewish community was using it for 300 years. The Septuagint didn't have an idea of the Trinity or Jesus, those ideas and actions didn't come about yet. To say the Septuagint was done by Trinitarians is is a straw man argument.
The concept of the Trinity is found in the Jewish Texts of scripture. Abraham talked and ate with YHWH, but he didn't die. This means he ate with Jesus, or YHWH in the flesh. People didn't connect that until after Jesus showed up.
Indeed there are differences. Omissions and changes of words to go against Christianity in the Mosoretic writings and especially in the talmub.
Did you know later the Zorah was written to compete with The virgin Mary. Rabbi invented Invented the Kabbalistic dogma of the shekinah of God. Dont believe me do the research and see the truth..
The "Septuagint" as we know it did not come along until after several Hebrew texts and at least three Greek translations from a variety of Hebrew texts. The Septuagint did not make the scriptures more christological than the Hebrew text. The problem is the Jews interpreted the passages that the Jews once claimed were messianic to change their interpretation as purely historical. The Septuagint is a compilation and so is the Masoretic text. The Masoretic text began to be compiled about 500 AD and finished about 1000 AD. About 200 years after Jesus the Jews began to interpret the once named messianic passages as strictly historical. The problem with that is prophets quoted from the Torah and other prophets. That is lifting scripture out of one particular historical context and placing it in another. Ezra 9:10-12 summarizes several passages. So if every verse is only to sit in one particular historical context and not used in another then the Hebrew text is bogus. The rabbi needs to study the history and transmission of the Hebrew text so can talk intelligently about historical Judaism because it is very little like modern day Judaism.
Jews don't "reinterpreted" Scriptures "200 years after Jesus," as you said. That's totally false. Right in the Gospels the Pharisees rejected Jesus messianic claims, right in front of Jesus face, NOT 200 years later. Stop embarrassing yourself by lying and twisting the facts.
@@friendofthemoon6183 Read before and after Rashi ,and read before and after the Masoretic Text.
Josephus: Antiquities of the Jews, Book II, Chapter XV:2, “They (the Israelites) left Egypt in the month of Zanthicus, on the fifteenth day of the lunar month; 430 years after our forefather Abraham came into Canaan, but two hundred and fifteen years only after Jacob entered Egypt.”
Exodus 12:40, in the Septuagint “And the sojourning of the children of Israel - that is which they sojourned in the land of Egypt and in the land of Canaan - was 430 years.”
Exodus 12:40, Samaritan Pentateuch, “Now the sojourning of the children of Israel and of their fathers when they had dwelt in the land of Canaan and in Egypt was 430 years.
In 1 Kings 6:1 it says, “Now it came about in the four hundred and eightieth year after the sons of Israel came out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month of Ziv which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the Lord”.
The fourth year of Solomon’s reign is 966 BC + 480 years = 1446 BC
Compare that date to exodus 1:11 where it mentions “So they appointed
taskmasters over them to afflict them with hard labor. And they built for Pharaoh
storage cities, Pithom and Raamses.
When was Raamses? Only about 200 years later.
@@geraldpolmateer3255 LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL please stop embarrassing yourself and go back to Rome with your pagan idol Jesus.
I’m a Christian and the Hebrew text is not bogus if it was why did Jerome prefer it over the Greek Septuagint he thought the Hebrew text was more authentic why your arguing over interpretations of texts when us Christians argue over interpretations of texts as well there is messianic prophecies that pretty much Jews and Christians agree on and there are passages that some Christians agree on and don’t agree on I don’t see anything wrong with different interpretations of texts
@@MegaAnimeforlife Singer does not know his own faith well enough to discuss it intelligently. I have heard him say the Hebrew text was copied perfectly. If that was the case then there would be no textual variants. Anyone who has seen or owns a text critical Hebrew text knows that what Singer says is not true. It is apparent that he knows nothing about textual criticism. He should read Emmanuel Tov on textual criticism of the Hebrew Bible. Singer is just a religious politician who makes noise to sound knowledgeable. He knows nothing about Greek and cannot interpret the Greek text correctly. He is simply repeating what others have said rather than knowing for himself. He is no scholar. He has no shame when it comes to spouting off ignorance. An honest person knows when to stop at what they do not know.
Thanks for proving my point. There was only on "Gospel" originally written in Hebrew, it is the Testament of Messiah. It was later translated into greek/roman and called Matthew. The last Inspired Hebrew Book is the Hebrew "Matthew". The rest is greek/roman/pharisee contradictions and confusion. Just like the Jews use the talmud to confuse, contradict and make the Laws of Yah to none effect; the romans copied the pharisees/rabbinic method to deceive and subvert The Truth of Heavenly Father and His Only Begotten Son..
This is an interesting thing, God is big on creating Families, there are Families on earth as well as on heaven…Father, I wonder why. Have you always been The Father???
Of course Hashem has always been the Father, the Creator, the one true undisputed G-D. He is uncreated and that's an inarguable fact. The premise and logic of your question makes no sense whatsoever.
If HaShem has always been the Father, that means He has always had a Son.
The is a difference between The Father and Our Father. He told the Jews they were of their father, the devil.
@@simongarribaldi9267 I don’t really understand what point you trying to make in the first sentence, however true these Jews who
Spoke with the Christ boasted in the fact the they were the physical seed of Abraham…when it can time to respond as their physical ancestor did when he saw the Christ, they did not. They tried to kill him as the spiritual children of the serpent or Cain. Gen 15 for context. This was Jesus’s claim of who he was.
@@lampkin9287 Remember, Esau was of the seed of Abraham and his dalliance with Canaanite women firmly re-entrenched the serpent seed back in to the Abrahamic bloodline. It is not hard. Just know how DNA works.
Mathematics and science fully belong to God and explain everything. Apply logic prayerfully and humbly. God is equipping a new army outside of religious constructs and dogma and when He unleashes them, the world and the "church" will be surprised.
Good luck.
I was going to close it there, but God impressed me to share this with you.
Matthew 22:1-10
There were three Greek translations done by about 250 BC which was long before the time of Jesus. The Septuagint we have today was done long after the time of the three Greek translations about 250BC. It was not Christians but Jews who translated the Hebrew text into Greek. If Singer knew Greek and Hebrew he would know how to translate. It is obvious he has never studied Greek. If he were to read the books of the prophets then he would know what they did with the Torah. Singer does not know his own faith to know what the prophets did with texts in the Torah. The Masoretic text we have today did not exist until about 1000.
He explains how the first Greek translations were of Torah....not every book of the Bible. It is deceptive for the church to lump every single Greek translation from every era and interpreter into one thing called the "Septuagint," and then claim legitimacy based on much older translation of just the Torah.
And secondly, the Hebrew was and is king. Any referencing of other translations for accountability does not erase the fact that a translation is merely a set of stories and commentary. It is not the original work at all, because the written Torah is a complex piece of literary technology employing font size, space, key numbers, puns, etc only found in Hebrew language. This allows a person to access various layers of national debate embedded in the original text.
Basically, Christianity reads a totally different Bible. And they are clueless about it. Rabbi Tovia is not though. ;)
@@booksquid856 It is obvious Singer does not let people know the truth about the four Hebrew texts the Masoretic Text was compiled and edited from. For one to understand each Greek translation of one of the four Hebrew texts they must understand the details of the translation. If one has studied another language that person knows that not all words will give an accurate translation from the source language into the receptor language. All words only have meaning in their context. The MT did not come along until 1000AD. It is about 1,250 years newer than the Greek translations. The three Greek translations were done by Jews and finished about 250 years before Christ. Singer needs to learn history and understand textual criticism. Apparently he has not read any books by Jewish authors on textual criticism. He has a repeat after me source of information and not one he knows from first hand knowledge. He repeats what someone else told him who repeated what someone else told. No borderline competent Jewish teacher would profess the nonsense he tries to teach which is a large amount of ignorance. If he had just picked up a text critical MT He would see all of the textual variants on each page. Textual variants are variations from the texts they have available.
Tovia said the Septuagint was done by Jews they only contained the 5 Books of Moses. It got burned or lost. The 70 elders refuse to accept the Septuagint cause it was done in Greek. They despised it.
Maybe if you listen and learned history you would learn something.
@@Chemosh418 Singer says a lot of things that are false and easily proven as false. There were three Greek translations and four Hebrew Texts. If you have looked MT you would notice it has textual variants on every page. Singer teaches that "the Hebrew text" was copied perfectly. That is nonsense. No Jewish scholar would consider him credible. He is a rabbi with an agenda not a scholar. No Jewish scholar would agree with what he claims. Do a Google search on him.
@@geraldpolmateer3255 the Jews do agree with Tovia, Jesus Christ agrees with Tovia,
If you believe Jesus is god, what language did god speak to the Israelites??
Your a joke!
Why didn't God do for the NT what He did for OT? Paul answers this in Romans 11: Because Gentiles were "far off" and not part of the commonwealth of Israel but now grafted into Christ not into Judaism.
PILATE CAIPH AND THE LORD SPEAK GREEK BECAUSE THE MAGEN DAVID IS TWO GREEK DELTA.THE GREEKS WERE SPEAKING HEBREW AT THE TIME OF SALOMON AND THE JEWS ALSO SPEAK GREEK.KOUMA ADONAI YESHOUA ......THE TEHIYA METIM IS BEGINING ......
O you Jews, until now you disbelieve that Jesus Christ is the Messiah whom you put on the cross but rose and lives forever (Rev 1:18), let me leave you with one simple question:
You, me, all of us humans, we are body and soul, yeah? Each of us is a physical being and a spiritual being, visible and invisible, TWO yet ONE, so why cannot God be THREE yet ONE? Isn't it written that nothing is impossible for God? Your mic.
I know that you really mean well, bobby, old boy. but your attempt to save our Jewish souls is actually not the issue. it is YOUR soul that is in mortal jeopardy. You see, bobby, HaShem, The CREATOR of you, me, everyone and everything, The ONE and ONLY G-D..THAT ONE!...He HATES, ABHORS, DETESTS avoda zara/idolatry and He Says so over and over and over again in His Hebrew scriptures which He GAVE to the Jews to then disseminate amongst the rest of the nations by being an OR L'GOYIM/a light unto the nations...through our example of following His Word/Laws. Your worship of jcpenny, that dead man on a stick is idolatry...did you know that? He also LOVES you and All of his children so much and only Wants you to repent...truly repent...and He Is so willing to Forgive you. He has LOTS of Patience...but even He will Lose His Patience at some point. So, heed my words because time is going very fast these days...we are on the precipice of the Geula/Final Redemption of the World and the Messianic Era...and once that occurs, you will have lost your window of opportunity. Tick, Tock...Tick, Tock...Tick, Tock.....BAM!
please read, "Come out of her my People" by CJ Koster
@@honeyspoonbeewrangler4550 For healing a man paralyzed all his life on the sabbath, Jews sought to kill Jesus but not only for breaking the sabbath but for calling God his Father, making him equal with God. Jesus finally responds to his accusers in John chapter 5:
45 “Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father, it is Moses who accuses you, on whom you set your hope.”
46 “If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote of me.”
47 “But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?”
What did Moses write about Jesus?
@@savtamarlene - A major problem Marlene, the God of the Old Testament is the One who became Jesus. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God - - - " John ch.1 read it.
@@fredgillespie5855 in your dreams! Sorry…you LOSE!