Upgrades to my ZOHD Dart 250g - Now on 3S & 4K video! (Current PB 58Km total distance)
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- The Dart 250g is one of my fav models for soooo many different reasons bit.ly/ZOHDDart250g Up until now I have been using the Caddx Ratel Starlight camera and 2S li-on batteries. However it was time to upgrade AND we upgraded to 4K video with the RunCam Hybrid and moved the FC to the front so I can now run 3S li-on's! Setup details below, press SHOW MORE to see it. Matt
ZOHD Dart 250g
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View/ purchase link: bit.ly/ZOHDDart250g
I bought the FPV kit that included the motor servos, ko-pilot and camera because thats all I could get at the time and there were no PNP kits available. I would suggest going PNP as the motor & ESC is pre-installed and the servos are good too.
My previous 2S version here • 3 SIMPLE Dart 250g MODS 🚀 was capable of 48Km total distance covered. This upgraded version has now topped 58km or 36 miles!!!!!
My Configuration
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Motor, Servos PNP stock items. Using the 2 blade 5050 propeller
ESC: LittleBee 35A
Flight Controller - bit.ly/2WE2TL6
GPS - bit.ly/2CQ5ECw
Runcam 4k Hybrid: bit.ly/30rJ22V
Old FPV camera (very good) - bit.ly/3jqiGqq
Rear View camera - bit.ly/30pBOwq
FPV
5.8Ghz vTx - TX526 - bit.ly/2HBOKVm
5.8Ghz Antenna - bit.ly/2Fmey5z
5.8GHz Goggles Antenna
- Diamond - bit.ly/2FlC9DF
- Clover - bit.ly/2Fmey5z
Definitely not using this bit.ly/3eN4Aw2
Batteries
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LG MJ1 18650 or NCR Li-on batteries, soldered myself. See this video • Making 2S 18650 Li-on ...
Receiver
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- TBS Crossfire Micro V2 - www.hobbyrc.co.uk/tbs-crossfi...
- Immortal Antenna
Transmitter & Module
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- Taranis - bit.ly/2XGra1m
- TBS Crossfire Full Tx module - www.hobbyrc.co.uk/tbs-crossfi...
iNav Settings Dump
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pastebin.com/PxtZ12Ru
ZOHD Dart 250g Description
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Brand Name: ZOHD KIT
Item Name: Dart 250G
Material: High-Quality EPP
Wingspan: 570mm (22.44'')
Length: 379mm (14.92in'')
ZOHD Dart 250G - Kit : 89g
ZOHD Dart 250G - PNP: 138g (including motor, esc, servos, prop.)
ZOHD Dart 250G - FPV: 161g (including ZOHD Kopilot FC, GPS, VC400 Camera, no battery and receiver)
ZOHD Dart 250g Features
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1. AUW is less than 250g, ideal to comply with Sub250g regulations
2. Durable EPP material, built-in CF spar for enhancement, crash resistant
3. Being light-weight will be safe to fly anywhere, anytime. You’re avoiding the hassle of an
FPV registration
4. Glue-free assembly, the main wing and tails come with pre-applied adhesive tape, just peel
it off and install them
5. Large battery bay for extended flight time
6. Nose camera bay compatible with all FPV and AIO cameras in the market
7. Cover for the fuselage bottom, super durable, protecting the fuselage bottom from
scratches
8. Servo arms are well protected by an EPP hump
9. Built-in CF rod in the ailerons will give precision and sharp action to your inputs
10. Dedicated equipment bay for Flight Controller and GPS
11. Main wing leading edge cover for those unexpected impacts
12. Textured areas on both side of the fuselage, for more secure hand launch grip
13. Optimised air-cooling design will keep your gear safe from overheating
Timestamps
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00:00 Introductions
01:00 Original setup
03:05 Rear facing camera
03:30 New Setup
07:25 Runcam Hybrid 4K
09:29 Wrapping up
ZOHD Dart 250g
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View/ purchase link: bit.ly/ZOHDDart250g
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Bravo! 👍🏻 Greetings from another Dart250 pilot 😉
Great video! I was looking for some examples of other Dart250 models out there and this one is fantastic!
I run mine on 3s, and I upgraded it to use a 1507 4200kv motor with a 3040 prop. thrust for days and it cruises at 55mph/89kmh easy!
Good content, obsessively following. Been flying my first wing for a year now - Parrot Disco, but just bought a Dart 250G Kit to do true FPV. Now getting the rest of the gear. Ordered a TX16S and Crossfire Micro+Nano, Runcam Split 4K , F411WSE, 5.8G Eachine FPV to get started. Think I missed out a GPS. Looking forward to making a build vid and maiden over winter :)
Got the Dart 250g 2 month ago as an intro to flight controllers/GPS with the Kopilot Lite option. Great fun, but wanted the cool OSD, so upgraded to a Racerstar F405 Nano. Worked outstanding for a few weeks until I screwed up and shorted it out. (important to study soldering skills and practice them before you try to solder a FC). That said (Matek F411WSE is on the way) theDart 250g is a complete blast to fly. Amazing function out of such a small plane.. I'm running 3S 1000mah lipo (2 blade 5x5) , Caddx Ratel camera, TBS Unify Pro HV Race VTx. AUW 300G. Planning on a little weight reduction with a few new components. Again, this plane is a must have in the hanger....
Great mods, dude! 😃
That's a pretty fantastic little wing! Really nice!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I have a FX61 built for long range currently tweeking it for further flight times. It runs a zohd li ion 7000mah but I am thinking of learning how to build my own li ion packs and build something at least 10000mah. Cool video keep it going.
With some Xmas $$$, I bought a 250g PnP. Just waiting for it to show up in the next month or so. Going to be using older FS goggles and a Taranis X9D radio to get started
Great video! What FPV goggles and which Taranis transmitter are you using? Amazing range and looks great!
Very nice video Matt!! Are you using the cg on the marks? Cheers
I"ve just got my Dart 250. I laminated it all the way and put my ZOHD flight controller and orange telemetry receiver in the back. Put a standard 3S 2200 Turnigy RC battery in the front. I have the CG balanced, but I haven't flown it so I'll be sure to let you know how it goes. I haven't done it yet because I'm on waterfront property and have lots of trees so the only way to can throw it in out in the lake and don't want to drown it. I'll let you guys know how it goes in a bit.
Oh like your setup very much looks great, looks as if you put some time into it.
Hi and greetings Matt.
Awesome video as always !!!
I have this bad luck where every rc fixed wing I build ends up over weight lol. So my mission today of asking you this question is I am looking for a strong, light weight tape that can be used to hold wings to the fuselage as well as for other uses on the fixed wing as well ?
awesome
Missing the videos Matt. Xx
I got mine for free. A flying buddy busted it into 6 pieces from trusting the kopilot and was gonna trash it. 5 minutes with a hot glue gun and she was ready ro go. It now has iNav and 3s 650mah packs from RDQ. It is a great stealth platform. So quiet and fun. Building the TBRC Micro Warlock next. Love these micros and the tech you can put into them!
Morning, oh happy days! Matt
Never heard of TBRC until you posted, some funky aircraft but I expect the postage to be a killer. Wanted a foamy last week and the cheapest was $42 for postage.
I'm hoping to get mine to about 350g (ish) with the 3S LION. Great mods, Matt!
Did you make it?! I'm going to try it but I don't know about hitting the CG with it...
nice!
Thanks for the video but I’m missing very important info here. What is the total weight for the 2s lion and 3s lion setup? Thanks
Small, quiet, and stealthy FPV to avoid all the Karens out there is awesome. A lot of the camera board heat may be caused by feeding it direct battery voltage. A small 1 or 2 gram 5v stepdown might allow for cool runnings.
Hey Mark, I'm actually running direct from the Matek F411WSE board. It seems to be doing Ok so far. Matt
I'm interested in getting this and I'm completely new to the whole RC hobby. What is needed in addition to the PNP package they send you to get this up in the air with FPV?
Thanks for the video, what is the flight time with 2s and 3s thanks. I have build my first 3s 18650 and i still have to receive my zohd 250
On the f411-wse did you use camera 1 or camera 2 for the front camera? I'm on c2 for the front and I'm in inav and no matter what I try I'm getting no power to camera 2. Good fpv feed of a blank screen with inav osd overlay
I’m purchasing one this week what should I buy? Kit? Bnf? I’m a bit of a noob.
I recently purchased the fpv ready version, it quickly became my favourite fpv platform. It flies forever on a 3s lipo, handles like a much bigger craft and is too light to do any serious damage if things go pear shape. The camera supplied is adequate but I would recommend a rc control switch for it so you can turn it off on landing, it will quickly burn out otherwise if on full power. Alternatively, just get a better vtx camera set up!!.
What lipo did you use
@@blackterminal Hi. Nothing special battery wise, a zippy 1000mAh 25c, it gives me around 15mins of flight time, you can cover a lot of ground in that time.
What parts did you use to standoff the motor at the back?
how easily would a pixhawk 2.4 fit inside the dart?
Hi Matt; I have been flying my D250 with Kolpilot and VC400 and 2s ZOHD Lion battery - it is a superb model. So I wanted to go long range and be able to record my flight. I set it up with stock prop, motor and ESC as before; AKK VTX in the rear bay and Menace antenna podule; F441-WSE mid section; Crossfire Nano RX; and Foxeer mix (split) up fornt; I used the 2S liion just forward of the FC but could not get it to climb out and failed to launch. The CoG was perfect to the wing marks. It seemed under powered but weighed 355g with battery. So now I have reconfigured it so the FC is in front of the battery bay and I want to put in a ZOHD 3S Lion (copying you). The problem I am having is I can't get it to fit unless I carry out some major surgery on the canopy. How did you get on with this as your video doesn't show how you fitted the 3S. PS: I live in Brisbane, but as an expat was wondering whereabouts in the UK do you fly [No exact coordinates neccessary, just curious:)]
You got me worried. I have 2 ZOHD 3S liion waiting for my Dart250 to arrive...
Greetings Steve Marrable.
Wow, that is the same issue that I was going through ! The stock motor wont handle the 350g of weight, I've tried with the 5050 two blade prop included with the dart, and the stock motor, and my dart 250g weighed the same as yours, I am using a 3s 1300mah lipo, the max thrust of the stock motor and 2 blade prop is 405g of thrust, the weight is 350g. I changed the motor and prop and got more power meaning higher rpm and thrust, it managed to get my dart 250g, which weighed 350g, into the air but I had to throw hard and at 45 degrees into the air, and it had a half stall airspeed until it dipped into the ground and built enough to begin climbing about a meter so so above the ground. I cant guarantee that those take offs with the new motor and prop was successful because of the head wind, but I now stripped everything and working on the dart 250g slowly and taking my time.
If you want to keep that 350g weight, use a 4s lipo and change the motor and prop to a more powerful one. Using a 4s does wonders especially for take off. I made my overweight s800 reptile weighing 870g fly on a 2306 2450kv motor using a 4s lipo, however with that weight and probably wrong prop (6040), the take off was nothing, no force required to get it to fly, just flick into the air and its gone, but, the flight time at cruising, was only 5 to 6 minutes on a 4s 1550mah 120c lipo.
@@ralphquetaya4547 I've just received my dart250 and it is quite difficult to launch compared to my other planes. I used the default motor and the 3 blades prop on a 3s 1000mAh and only succeeded to launch it 4/7 times with hard throws at different angles.
@@goku445 Greetings and hello goku. Yes, very similar to me as well. Which version do you have, did you order the fpv version or the basic version that comes with only the servos and motor and props ?
If you added your own flight controller,etc., then I suggest change the prop to the 2 blade, you get more thrust, see from there. If it still doesnt fly or launch easily, then change the lipo to a 4s and use the 2 blade prop that came with the dart 250g. If its too heavy like mine which was 350g, then change the motor, prop and use a 4s battery, or decrease weight as much as possible. You need that high rpm and thrust !
My first dart 250g, i ordered the fpv version, I'll tell/write this to you, with that 3s 1300mah lipo, 2 blade prop and all the fpv stuff that came with the dart 250g, it was so light in weight, takeoff was nothing !!! Absolutely nothing !!! I just flicked the dart 250g at full throttle into the air and its gone, no falling or dipping to the ground, it just kicks it. Once I was airborn, I dropped throttle to 50% and cruised for 27 minutes and landed when lipo was reading around 11v.
@@ralphquetaya4547 Hey Ralph!
Yes I have the PNP version with only the basic electronic.
I added the 8.5g F411WSE FC and I tried first with a 1000 3S lipo and 3 bladed default prop. The plane was very light (252g) but under-powered by the tiny prop. Once in the air it flew really fast even at low throttle, so the issue is launching you know!
I will next add the FPV equipment and the 2 bladed prop (which is huge for this tiny motor) as well as a 1300mah battery. The plane would then be 291g.
Caution! I read some users frying their tiny motor with this setup (3s+ big 5*5 prop).
So I will use power at launch then calm quickly.
You say almost 30 minutes cruising with a 1300lipo, that's amazing!
I wanted to use my 3s Liion (plane would be 350g) but that's gonna tough to hit CG...
I really like the plane tho, it is super agile and efficient. :)
Come back Matt !
My question is should the vertical stabilizers be tilted in or should they be tilted out like the rest of the Zods (like the DART XL etc.)?
Apparently there is a slight difference between the two. I remember Marc in the iNav Fixed wing group mentioning this. TbH it was so small, it's not worth worrying about. Its a small model and will get knocked around by the wind. Matt
Is there another link to the antenna, the link is no longer valid
I have a dart 250g as well... I have questions ( possible video idea)
why did you space the motor back? (what are the advantages)
why do you have the flight controller in the nose, do they still work well when they are far from the CG?
and a part of the 2nd question, does it help to have the batteries ( heavy stuff ) closer to the CG? ( or more important that then flight controller )
thanks
Morning, the extensions are in a previous video on the 250g. Faster, cooler and quieter are the reasons. As for the FC in the front. As long as it's bang on the roll axis, it's fine 👍 Hope that helps. Matt
@@RagTheNutsOff Mines different to Matt's obviously as I'm running the Kopilot were they say it should be but having the motor back 10mm makes it quieter and it balances much better with a variety of batteries. In my case Nano-tech 1000Mah 3S and the same in 1300Mah and the 2S Li-ion packs. Hope I've not stole the thread Matt, apologies. Tony
And it's uber fast with the T motor F20II!
Hi Matt.... how did you powered the runcam hybrid? Did you use a separate bec?
Morning, I powered it directly from the C1 power pins on the Matek F411WSE board. It has just enough of a rating to so it. Matt
@@RagTheNutsOff Im just dying to know how your controlling the runcam it as I have the same setup. F411wse running gps and rx on uarts. Soft serial 1 is reserved for the vtx transmitter tramp controls. Only one soft serial tx left but need rx too for runcam controls. How do you do the camera controls to start recording? manually? Im about to buy the caddx tarsier because it will be easier to manually control... but not for sure
Very nice! Would adding a larger prop be more efficient, perhaps? I'd like to be able to get an hour of flight time, but three 18650s are pretty heavy for this plane, so I'm not sure.
Be careful because the motor is very tiny. I heard lots of people burning theirs with the stock 2 blades prop on 3s.
@@goku445 oh wow, really? Thanks for the warning, I didn't realize that and I was definitely going to use the 2 blade prop on 3S. Does it run well with the triblade with a 18650 3S, do you know?
@@StavrosKor You certainly can use it on 3s but you have to monitor it and certainly not go full throttle for too long. It seems to work well with the triblade but not as efficiently.
@@goku445 I'm going for efficiency so I'll use the 2-blade one, thanks. I couldn't find the max Amp draw spec for the motor, unfortunately, so I'm not sure how much is too much. I think around 10A?
@@StavrosKor I've read somewhere that it should be around 130W max, don't quote me tho, the source is not certified.
A comparable motor says 230W so...
sunnyskyusa.com/products/r1406
How did you get on with this as your video doesn't show how you fitted the 3S.? [sorry I missed the ?]
He said he puts it in the middle of the frame (you can see the scratch tape).
Could a lipo 3s fit?
Did you ever figure out how to stop wing rock that these suffer from?
Hello. Vero bice video.
Q: Why do you say "definitely not this" regarding the VTx Metek?
@@valentin.kompatscher
In your country, maybe.
I was waiting for a more technical answer, not a legal one.
Greetings.
@@valentin.kompatscher Dear Valentin, the real question is ...
is the VTX Matek inferior or not?
@@Jorge-herex it's the answer to your question. Your reply was odd
And yours was unnecessary. But thanks.
Can you use a 2s 7.4v 2000mah lipo battery on this one I have a lot of them?
Sure you can. If it weights around 120g, you can hit CG fairly easily.
Opinions on the bit smaller LiIons like the 14500/16340 for a 3S pack? Anyone tried this? Which smaller LiIons can be recommended?
Morning, I'm not sure at all on those cells I'm afraid. Matt
@@RagTheNutsOff found some 10ah rated small li-ion at nkon.nl, might give them a try. Got 2s 4000 Molicel 45ah right now in my dart with hglrc 1407 flame 3600kv motor and 4.75x4.75 apc prop. Goes very well and long too. 3s might give me the rocket i want to try next 😉
My Dart 250g is one of my favorites along with my Drift. I fly it with a Kopilot and VC400 and really like combination. I'm thinking about getting another one for an inav setup for the OSD and Crossfire. Really nice wing 2s or 3s.
Hey Richard. I'd like one for just LOS flying. It would be mental on 3S with a bigger motor. Matt
I have mine on 3S 18650 as well. With 20 grams extra weight in the back it balances nicely with the fc in the normal position but moved back as much as possible. AUW 380 grams flies without problems. I do have a slightly heavier 1606 motor and this setup still allows me to use smaller lipos for quick ripping around.
Hey Alexander, oh cool! I also had to add weight originally. I've got it just right now though. Matt
@@RagTheNutsOff What is you AUW now? I was afraid of making mine too heavy but you can really load this thing up without problems
Hiya. Great video. Would you put a small ducted fan on this for super silent?
Can you do a video on how you set up iNav for your Li-ion? Pretty please :) I'm still debating on getting that. Right now its between that and the Phoenix 2400. Also its good to see that your flight summary screen has the same blur that mine gets at times! Nice job on the mods.
Hey Sam, iNav isn't the issue it's the ESC that needs to be programmed not to cut back at low voltages. Matt
The easy solution is to use an ESC that is made for a quad. They never have a low voltage cut off.
I’ve been considering switching mine to 3s as well. Got too many things to build/rebuild currently lol. Nano goblin, drift, rmrc recruit, dart 250. All Need something. Still haven’t Maiden’s my dart xl enhanced either. Ugh. I’ve only flown the 250 once but it seemed to handle wind well and I had some configuration problems that caused me to crash it on the maiden but it landed in a tree and fell all the way to the ground and didn’t really hurt anything. I had wished I listened about the lost model alarm as I searched for it for about 1.5 hours lol.
Ooo LOVE this one. I cant wait to have my 250g here from china :) Just to know in case i decide to go HD, is there any reason to go runcam hybrid instead of caddx tarsier?
Thanks Matt!!!
Howdy, apparently the Tarsier is better. Not used one so can't comment on it. But that's the general consensus. Matt
@@RagTheNutsOff ok, thanks for the answer!!
Yup in process of doing same myself, got i think 18km up and down our field for 40 minutes last week when the weather was nice but and annoying nodding nose, am going to try 3s soon, but more importantly, what the he'll is the music you've used in the beginning, I've heard it's few times on your videos and all over the Internet and it's stuck in my head - please tell me what it's called lol
Bloken, by Maddeinc
Todd thank you, saved my sanity you have lol
Morning, ah ha the nodding. You need more air speed. That is iNAV stopping the model from stalling. Just up the pace a touch and it goes away. Matt
RagTheNutsOff thanks Matt, will give it a try next time there's no wind.
@@jibbajabba4597 mine does it too, a tiny bit more speed and it goes. Normally appears in horizon mode for me. Matt
Brilliant vid Matt but stop doing them as I'd only just finished the last upgrade lol I, today, have just finished making up some 2S packs (From your vid) for the Dart. I've got some more packs to make tomorrow so I'll do a couple of 3S. Great model mine has a T-Motors F20 II stood off by 10mm, Eachine TX805, Rush Cherry antenna, Kopilot, Runcam Phoenix 2, 2S 18650 LG3600Mah. I have been using the 2S Strix packs so haven't flown with today's packs yet. Currently my favourite model.
Tony
Hey Tony, sorry! The 250g is amazing on 2S. I just wanted the extra reach that 3S gives me. Matt
@@RagTheNutsOff No worries Matt I'll give it a go anyhow but I'll probably have to run a smaller prop as it's on the limit at the mo. I'm using the bog standard prop but I do have some funky 3 bladers I need to test. Tony
FYI I did some measuring on my T Motor F20 with the Dart prop and a 3S 1000Mah lipo. Is 274.6 Watts too much lol
Waiting to fly mine stock...
But! Bonafide Pirate (Captain Keith) was awesome enough to print hatches for me...
YAY!
Stock GoPro Hero 9 with ooth on and stabilization
Well I burnt out my motor trying the 2 blade prop on 3S. Thanks for the advice I guess?
pls contact me if i could buy this with all decked up
Are you still using the two blade prop on 3s as I have heard ppl burning motor out.
I am, but I've calmed the cruise speed settings down to account for that 👍 AND I check it every tome to make sure its coming down cold
More to micro long range
So what's the all up weight now?
Hey Maba, not sure tbh. Matt
Just built 1 but want it under 250g
@@mabadajo yea it'll need to be ultra clean to be 250g or less. Or switch to a lipo as those are way lighter.
Flip the verts to leaning outwards , or beter stil mod them to be VERTICAL .. and take the draggy waggy
wing tips off .
the tips should help with drag.
@@goku445 in what way do they " help " ?
@@SkyrisUK I'm in no way an expert but I read here and there that they help reduce tips vortex which would otherwise increase drag.
You can also see them on very efficient gliders.
@@goku445 in some cases Yes , In the case of the Dart i disagree, on forward swept wings the airflow travels inwards towards the Fuse so Tip vortecies is less of an issue, also because the way they are angled, at a " Toe out" angle.they create drag, and on such a light model they catch any crosswinds lifting the wing tip inducing that wobble . i demo this quite clearly Here. ua-cam.com/video/dtiC_4zHgDQ/v-deo.html
@@SkyrisUK Interesting!
3s flies way better for me. Just got the extra weight to cut through the wind
Hey Dylan, that's the one issue I had on 2S. On one day, it could not get through the head wind. Matt
Please stop playing music over your dialogue. I love these videos but the music honestly makes these videos almost unwatchable (for me).