The Offense that you can't run in the NFL
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- Опубліковано 27 лис 2024
- Thanks for watching the all-22 film breakdown on the Veer and Shoot offense and why it does not work in the NFL.
Time Stamps:
1:00 Intro
1:59 Offensive Overview
2:42 Deep Choice Routes
4:56 RPOs
5:52 The Hashes
7:42 Quarterbacking
9:46 Other Notable Names
8:56 Outro
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Tennessee is a run first offense. Not sure why everyone thinks they are an air raid offense.
They put up crazy numbers through the air. The lowest amount of points they've scored through 3 games in 2024 is 51.
@@Thereffereestill a run heavy offense. We run the ball over 55% of the time lmao
@@Therefferee where are you getting your information from? Out of the first 3 games only one game they threw for over 400 yards. The NC St and Kent State games they had more rushing yards than passing yards. In those 2 games alone they combined for over 700 yards rushing. It’s not an air raid. Educate yourself.
@@Thereffereewhile you’re not incorrect about putting up crazy numbers through the air, they also put up crazy numbers on the ground. They just put up crazy numbers period lol, it is a very balanced offense though. A lot of people view it as an air raid because Josh Huepel’s scheme lends itself to big passes opening up so deep passes for a lot of yards end up being relatively common
Remember that time Rocky Flop was #1 for 3 days😂
I really like the format of breaking down a specific offensive scheme. I’d love to see more of these kinds of videos!
The Pats used the formation in the Super Bowl against the Seahawks to turn their press cover 3 essentially into man to man coverage
I remember when running a majority 11 personnel offense was a gimmick offense.
I know our offense won't work at the NFL level because it's exploiting the dimensions of the college field, but I don't see how that makes it a gimmick. If you want to call it exploitative, I'd agree. That's the point.
The goal of any offense is to put it's player in a position to succeed as efficiently as possible. If I can beat you with 2 receiving threats doing nothing. That's a big win.
Our offensive linemen have been dinged for not "finishing blocks" or not playing "through the whistle" since Heupel took over. They are coached not to. Win your rep and get in position for the next play. It saves time, energy, and dumb penalties.
Complexity doesn't mean anything if it doesn't work. This works for us, on the fields we play on, on the level we play on. That's all it needs to do.
Ohio St. used some very similar concepts and ran an option route heavy offense with Justin Fields. No one called it a gimmick.
Thank you for taking the time, unlike so many people, to explain the basics of the offense.
Oh, for sure, the whole “gimmick” thing is just semantics. My point is that it wouldn’t work in the NFL. It clearly works very well in college and I think more college DCs should put time and effort into stopping it rather than complaining about the hashes being too wide.
@@slaw_fbthe hashes being wide is essential to college football I’d be heartbroken if they changed it
A gimmick in this context is something that works against lower skill competition but doesn't work when you are playing against top competition.
But the thing is it doesn’t work against well coached defenses with good talent. THAT is why some consider it a gimmick. It’s really good at racking up points against hapless opponents but as soon as it faces real competition it can struggle to score more than 20 points.
@@Raumancejust sit back and watch this year👍🏻
Unsure if you mentioned this but Alex Golesh, the HC for USF, was the OC at Tennessee for the 2021 and 2022 seasons. As a Vols fan I was sad to see him leave, but I would not be surprised if he gets a HC job at a major university in the near future. Great video.
He’s already at a major university lol
Yup! That's why I used their film throughout the video, never said it though so thank you for mentioning it.
Having four receivers out wide helps in the run game too. If you think about it, as long as those corners and safeties out there don't make it into the play, they basically just got blocked. Perfectly, with no chance for a missed block or losing on the play. It also cleans up the reads in terms of blocking the run, and in general creates more space.
e: Well that's basically what you just said lol
You know I remember when Air Raid and the Spread Option were unworkable at the hire level gimmick offenses too. The pure ogirinsl version might not make the leap but the concepts (force the nickel back to commit to a run or pass as early as possible to open up rpos, wide out stacks running multiple option routes to create conflict) will surely work their way up if this sticks around as a winning plan in the FBS
I know it wouldn't work but feed me a Heupel Drew Lock reunion in New York anyway
there’s a lot to unpack with this comment here, man
Such a fun year
Because the pros has better athletes it’s not rocket science! Ga gives the road map on how to shut down this gimmick
Dig the video man. Really enjoyed how you explained how this offense works. Definitely would be interested in more videos on other offenses and how they work. Keep up the good work!
So what you’re telling me is that CFB allows for a better variety of strategies whereas the NFL pigeonholes players (especially offensive) into very particular play styles? I know which one I prefer.
You clearly haven’t watched many good NFL games lately.
No that’s not what he’s saying.
If the run and shoot worked in the NFL, the veer and shoot can work too structured differently.
It can’t physically the hashes makes it go
@@700Kyrie structured differently. Because of the splits being reduced you also have more you can do route combo wise besides choice routes.
@@UndefeatedZoe so the west coast offense ??🤣🤣
@@700Kyriehow come it worked when tennessee played against nc state in panthers stadium
@@reflex1797 are you being serious rn
awesome video. only thing i would add is that press man coverage is a lot lot more common in the NFL, which mitigates the long developing routes
Good stuff. Id also say that its much harder to assemble the amount of talent at the receiver pos in the NFL, as in college..
I can't finish the video tonight but I am loving what I see! This is a great video so far. Ant kindof film breakdown [Oklahomas defense under Brent Venables would definitely bring in a lot of extra subscribers.
Good job. You are a very well spoken young man.
So far loving this vid
A lot of false premises. The only accurate fact are the hash mark comments, but even still, you still could create width on the far side. There are dozens of teams running RPOs and route concepts similar to some of the Briles’ concepts. The NFL game and college game are different for numerous other reasons. But the shotgun, read option, veer, and basically any offensive innovation were once considered gimmicky. When Lamar Jackson first stepped onto the scene, the Ravens adaptions were considered gimmicky. Same with Vick and any offense that employed the QB running more than the statues back there previously. Time will tell.
Agree
The thing is, no team has had major playoff success or has won a Super Bowl running this style of offense. The ravens last year got the closest but only scored 10 points in the AFC championship game. You need smart and accurate QB’s and receivers who can create space to win a Super Bowl in the modern nfl. Defense at the end of the day matters just as much as those things as well.
@@tominator028Tbh Washington ran this offense very successfully in RG3's rookie year until he got hurt... Seattle also ran with Russell Wilson the first few years until the SB loss then they changed it for some reason. San Francisco ran it with Collin Kaepernick by using the pistol formation and they very successfully and SHOULD HAVE won a super bowl. Lamar Jackson has 2 MVPs running this type of offense. The point is the offense can work in the NFL (albeit it has to be tweaked a little) if you have the right QB running it. He has to be a TRUE Dual Threat to run it to perfection.
Banger per usual 🔥
Very accurate breakdown , and why people need to understand when players like hyatt don’t translate . He’s not underperforming from lack of effort , he physically doesn’t have the attributes to not get stuck at the line of scrimmage, let alone even sniffing seperation when he breaks .
here’s a sub 🤝🏿
Always wondered why this offense wouldn’t work in the nfl and i now see why. Maybe a veer and shoot pro style offense with less of the screen and nonsense could work in the nfl but it would take some crazy talent
some college offenses would work in the NFL if you reworked the screen game but that’s not the main issue with this one, it really is the weaponizing of the hashes
Idk what "nonsense" you are talking about, but the veer and shoot as its described in this video is not possible in the NFL because of the hashmarks. No matter how much you would pair it with "pro" style offensive concepts.
Very interesting video
Right 100 percent wouldn't work in the nfl. We want to keep coach right where he is at home in Tennessee, go vols!!
Briles said it made no sense for a receiver to run a route that was not going to them so he didn't want then to run. The DBs have to stay with them si they did their job. He preferred for them to conserve their energy so they could explode when it was their turn.
I think the receivers not running routes on the off side keeps the defenders in place rather than dragging them down field. Makes it further for them to pursue a long ball across the field. maybe
Exactly. And its just fewer guys in the QBs line of vision, less chaos, simplify the decision making.
This is a offense based off of the run and shoot. Not air raid. Different concepts. The reason its called veer and shoot is because of the amount of rpo’s and overall options per play. What makes it unique is the wide splits the receivers take. I see people arguing if its a run first offense. No its not. Its not a pass first neither. Overly simplified. The way it works is you get to the LOS and youre making a decision based on the box count whether youre running or throwing. The reason TN in particular has high rushing numbers is because defenders are stretched due to the wide splits. They rather take the chance on the defense making a stop in the run than give a receiver a great look. Remember this is based off of the run and shoot. Which did run the ball when the box allowed. The offense takes what the defense gives. The reason its not ran much is because you need smart players to run it. Your receivers have to see the same thing a QB does. I will say again. This is not a air raid offense at all. The reason some think it is, is because they utilize a short passing game with the rpo’s. But thats it. A air raid throws to set up the run. If they even decide to run. The run and shoot utilizes motion and choice routes. Its highly intelligence based. Not for slow players. The veer and shoot is a slightly dumbed down run and shoot. Key difference is the wide splits and the fact that they will use power more. Theyre very similar though. You can make the case theyre the same. Difference being whether a coach uses a wide split and a tendency to run more due to advantageous boxes.
I feel like you are both correct and incorrect. I love the video though, you do a great job of breaking it down. I feel like this could be said about any offense. In its current capacity the VNS won't work at the NFL level, but just like the Air Raid, Spread, and RNS it will have to be adapted for the Pro game. Regardless you do have a great breakdown and you do have a point.
Kind of reminds me of the Late Coach Mike Leach's original Air Raid Offense. The system as a whole would not be successful in the NFL, but many of its route concepts have been adopted; especially in Spread Offense type formations the system is based/rooted in.
But we all know; The Pirate's Air Raid Offense is the Purest of them all...
92% Pass, 8% Run. As it should be.
Truly a system for those who get a kick out of being a Grade A- A$$hole!!!🤣
Gassing the opposing defense's Linebackers and DBs for four quarters- in order to defend every square inch of grass, is just plain devilish!😂
RIP MIKE LEACH.
Oilers did in the early '90s and almost made it through the playoffs. Dalls also did it, but mixed in running also.
Every single NFL team uses route conversions (i.e. choice routes) on the majority of their snaps. Maybe 1 guy, maybe all 5. I’m gonna have to file this one under ‘yet’, as in ‘you will never see an NFL team run RPO’s/Air Raid/etc.” … until you do. KC is an Air Raid team in all but name. Belichek duing the Pats glory years studied *only* college offenses in the offseason (even inviting Mike Leach, Urban Meyer and Paul Johnson to visit). Your point on field spacing is 100% accurate, but I’ve already seen some ideas on how that might be overcome.
1. College QBs in other systems frequently don’t throw with anticipation. This is a skill not something determined by a scheme. So acting like Veer & Shoot QBs aren’t asked to or can’t throw with anticipation is misleading.
2. All schemes take advantage of wide hashes when they can. The wide hashes benefit all, and all have to adjust. Whether Veer & Shoot takes advantage more than others can be debated, but you provide no concrete evidence it does
3. To my knowledge nobody has tried the veer and shoot in the NFL. So to definitively state “we know it won’t work” is bold..
It is an high school type offense,good video
Great video but can you touch on the tempo of the offense more? because you mentioned it like once and never talked about it again.
oh yes of course, they run a ton of no huddle and tempo (half baked huddle where they look to the sideline for the play). they are often snapping the ball with a ton of time on the play clock to try and keep the defense on their heels. definitely could have gone into further detail and pulled some time to snap stats.
Veer and shoot is broken. Touch passes and the wide stack formation are great. A fast quarterback and an agile running back are awesome. Didn’t realize everyone used it until now just happened to be what I used to replace Navy’s option route.
Another reason one side will take a play off is so that they don't run their defender down into the pursuit lanes for the side that the ball is going to.
The veer was created by Bobby Bowden when he was the head coach at West Virginia
The offense is predicated on space . Also college hash marks vs nfl hash marks aren’t the same so no in theory u won’t be able to do beer n shoot in nfl. However the basis is mostly option routes which is and has been prevalent forever
One point I'm taking from this excellent video is that some QB's who have great stats in college are not necessarily going to make it in the NFL.
over 66% of Qbs drafted are considered busts. Most Qbs don't make it in the NFL regardless of stats. The difference is smart NFL teams don't draft based on stats. They draft on traits (physical and mental), projectability, processing speed, and football IQ.
Great video. Please consider mixing your videos a little louder in the future.
I think UT is slowing down quite a bit. JH used the personell he had to try and outscore the competition. Now in year 4 the defense is much better and most importantly much deeper. They can rotate in 3 sets of DL players. They are also using 2 tight ends and taking advantage of that in blocking and creating wide open check downs. They may get up to the line fast, but they are not snapping the ball as quickly as in the past. This is because they have gained depth and top talent. What they accomplished in 2022 was amazing considering the limits they had on the roster.
I like how you talk abot throwing into the field from one hash creates more space for the WRs and the play shown as an example is them throwing into the boundary where theres less space lol
Personnel isn’t light in every iteration. UT runs a lot of 12 personnel, and TEs are a huge part of the game plan.
Haven’t watched the video yet but this video could be summed up in one word: Hashmarks
The hashes thing is overblown, IMO. Sure, there's not as much space to the wide side, but there's also more space to the narrow side. A more symmetrical version of this scheme could be even more dangerous because it would force the defense to declare formation strength pre-snap. An NFL-adapted veer raid would thus probably be even more high-flying, at the cost of effectiveness in the run game. This is exacerbated by the shorter distance linemen can go downfield, which effectively neuters the RPO, something which wasn't even mentioned in the video. That's what poses the real problems for the jump to the pros.
No mention of Bill Yoeman the father of the Veer going back to the 60s.
nice video. I really enjoyed the detail. Going fast is GOOD. I play you at 1.5 speed any way! LOL.
When I was in high school I always wondered why the hashmarks got tighter as you progress the ranks to the nfl and not vice versa because I would
only think about the kicking game. My logic (rather shortsighted thinking about jt) was you would think that the nfl kickers should have to deal with those angles to kick sometimes unlike high schoolers
There is nothing said in this video that is incorrect. However calling it "gimmicky" or "fake offense" is only correct from an NFL perspective not a football perspective. It's a genius offense for college taking advantage of everything possible. Why would you want an OC/offense that doesn't take advantage of everything possible? Its not fake, or gimmicky. It's just not possible in the NFL. But the NFL isn't the only place where football is played.
The coolest part in my opinion is how it does almost the exact opposite of the Sean Mcvay's Offense. In his offense he condenses the formation (think tight bunch) to take advantage of the long distances from the hashes to the sideline in the NFL since they are so close to the center of the field. Its still the same concept of making the defense cover all 53.5yds of grass. But, one has evolved in a different way because of the rules it has to play by.
Briles was running this way before Baylor. When he was at Stephenville High School
Fake offense is aggressive... But it shows the effects of the hash markers between leagues
Unless you have prime megatron
It didn't really WORK did it? 0 playoff wins...
@@darkhobohe was 1 player out of 22 on the field he can’t win games by himself
Been watching football since I was 12 years old. Religiously. Mostly NFL until the last couple years. And I still didn’t realize the hashes were so far apart.
In the NFL, the hash marks are 70 feet and 9 inches away from the nearest sideline. The distance between them is 18 feet and 6 inches. In college they are much farther apart (40ft) and only 60 feet away from the nearest sideline.
Good thing the Vols aren't in the NFL.... GBO🧡
where do you access film like this?
Art Briles is a good man who was used as a scapegoat
You have half field and full field passing concepts. Half field concepts the QB is committing to throwing to one side of the field no matter what. Full field is when they make full progression if the pocket is stable
TN IS A POWER RUNNING TEAM HYPE HAS TRANSFORMED IT INTO A GREAT OFFENSE
CANT DO IT IN NFL BC HASH MARKS ARE DIFFERENT IS ONLY REASON WHY ITS A GREAT OFFENSE TO RUN IN
Thats what he said in the video
4:50 you really dont 😂
speaking of hell, art briles.
Im no expect but i think the backside doesn't run because it would hinder the back side defenders so they cant make a chase down play because they are not down the field
Tennessee runs the ball more then they pass it
The Veer and Shoot really just destroys teams with inferior coaching and talent. When faced against a well coached defense with talented athletes it really shows it's true colors.
whats the intro song?
Ga don’t have a problem shutting down Rocky Flop 😂
I remember watching kd cannon and thinking he would be the greatest wr for a minute
As a Giants fan I can attest that Jalin Hyatt sux.
great video, i like so much the aspects of to learn the plays, how to run the ball, passes, the defensives plays, how to read plays, great video
The bills of the early 90s were the basic blueprint
Why do I see a similarity with this offense and the Dolphins offense
They are both very next level offensive schemes compared to their counterparts in the respective leagues, but weaponize vastly different things. The Dolphins utilize motions to be able to run traditional concepts in a shorter amount of time at greater depth while keeping defenses on their heels. Most of the work there is done in a blink of an eye post-snap.
Tennessee and others who use this offense are a lot more static and do almost all of their work pre-snap, but these plays are long developing and timing is not as essential.
Offenses are nothing alike
As a Georgia fan, I already knew this with the concepts because we play Heupel every year but good to hear your explanation of how it does not translate to the NFL
Uga does the same thing when they have Brock a lot tight end screens to the wide side of the field
As a Georgia fan, your 13 points against UK is going to get you a certified ass whipping when you play UT this year. Go ahead and plan on it.
Why are NFL coaches interested in picking Heupul’s brain every off season?
You need to actually look at stats. UT has been a run offense under heupel.
5:02
@@slaw_fb didn’t make it that far. It was too painful to watch.
The first 3 games of TN this year is proof the offense doesn't need to spread you or tempo you to beat you. Every fundamental of QB and offense is in it. Your just not understand what your seeing. If it's a deep enough team they can go more traditional offense or more Tempo Spread. But you must be elite at QB, especially in passing to run it. But when done right, and with a good enough defense, it's a scheme that is almost impossible to defend. If you can't sub for 8 snaps, your not going to defend well. If your not deep enough to stop it's run, it will just keep running on you than hit you over the top when there's a huge bust in coverage. Lastly, every coach that runs a form of the Tempo Spread, customizes here. What Freeze, Frost and Heupel ran aren't the same. Not even Ar Bryles and Mike Leach. At times Freeze would use islands, Heupel really never has. Frost didn't have the speed to run what Heupel does when Frost was at Nebraska. This is why it didn't' work. You need the speed advantage and conditioning at your lines. TN looks for athletic guys they can bulk up at it's lines because that is what freakish size and speed is when your linemen were never giant rolly polies who could never go 8 snaps without subbing. Now imagine goin 13 deep now on a D line with guys that can? That is what TN roughly has in Knoxville this year. Now you have enough conditioned TE's to do this. Same at LEO.
Bring back the wishbone
Absolutely not
It doesn't have to work in the NFL. The NFL and college football are 2 different beasts. And this "gimmick" has been scoring 60 points a game.
Y no 73-65 NFL shootouts?!
That's tragic. Sad even. Ask me if I care about the NFL - a product that hasn't been good in nearly a decade.
Hey bud, nice comment! But have you considered that you may not be the target audience of this video, and that the content creator is not at fault for the video showing up on your For You page? Sorry to say, but maybe not every piece of content created on UA-cam is tailor-made for your enjoyment. Tragic. Sad even.
Intro way to mf long
Yea I thought this was just a highlight video lol
Your attention span (and your spelling) is way too mf bad.
That’s why none of his skill position guys ever work
It doesn't have to work in the NFL
Fake offense? Lol. Call it any name that makes you feel better about yourself but football is played to win. Heupel wins. Not only does he win, he's currently reviving a CFB powerhouse that literally had been driven off the side of the Grand Canyon and left for dead. Heupel accepted a job that he knew had a built in excuse if he wasn't able to perform a miracle. Yet, somehow, with his "fake offense", he's not just turning Tennessee into a winner again, he's slowly building a terrifying destructive destroyer of worlds disguised as a football team. They just scored 65 points in the first half with the starters only playing the first quarter. The opponent is irrelevant when you can score 65 points at halftime. Ten years ago Tennessee would have struggled for three quarters then finally finished that team off in the final minutes. Tennessee could have stayed in the locker room at half and still easily won that game.
“Gimmicky” just shut up. It’s worked where it’s went.
because it's niche...
Fire vid. Learning the veer and shoot on cfb 25 and I think imma have to put this down. Getting too easy to put up 50
Fake offense? Reeks of desperation lol. I can't believe someone(Huepel, Briles) would dare use the tools afforded to them to be successful!!!! How dare they! Coaches that run it should just retire!!! I'm appalled..... lol. I felt the same way in little league. 'How dare they not run an NFL offense. Little bastards!' Lmao. I'd say stick to your day job bro
Right? As if the players lining up, and beating other teams, is a gimmick.
Do yall even know what the word gimmick means?😂
Nice video, I only want to comment to say, ease up. You're too stiff, you sound like you're reading from a script. Which, yes, I know that you are, but how many actors sound so tight while they're speaking. Act like the camera is your friend and you're telling it this cool information you just found out.
It sounds dumb, but just try it.
Thank you, I always appreciate the feedback!
@@slaw_fb Yeah man, you are really smart and I'm a fan of the video. One other bit of feedback: think about your appearance and your background here. Not sure exactly what that electronics stuff is to the left of the screen and the single tacked up image in the back, but as your channel grows you're going to want your background to look more professional -- more likely to get invited onto bigger platforms if they know you look sharp. Think bookshelves, plants, sports memorabilia, etc. Blank white would look better than the somewhat... improvised look you have right now.
I also think you can also pull off the casual dude in a ball cap look for sure, but you might consider gussying up a little bit with a jersey or collared shirt, and you might ditch the cap and invest in a nice haircut. I do a lot of on camera stuff with corporate execs and I try to take some time to think about how I look and what my shot frames up. These are the little details that really make your videos pop, and with the great info you're providing I think you'll go far. Excited to see it!
I'm not the one on who misses those old Baylor teams 🫡🫡🫡