I'm a Beaver with a deep love for Oregon State and I am feeling absolutely gutted by this. Jonathan Smith felt like the only hope for our program, which was decimated by the dissolution of the Pac-12 and now all I can imagine is a domino effect in terms of recruiting and talent retention. I'm grieving the loss of Beaver Football. 😢
@@Chris-tq1jy I haven't followed Boston College, so I don't know about that...but I do know that our program is being ripped to shreds right before my eyes just as we're finally reaching relevance on a national scale.
As an MSU fan and alum, I feel bad for Oregon State's situation with the collapse of the Pac-12, and the loss of a Beaver QB, alum, and coach. I have always had a soft spot for Oregon State and hope they find a major conference home.
Going to a better conference, better salary, more resources and $ for staff. Bigger fan base, better facilities, an all time top 20 program in CFB. It’s a smart move for Smith, clearly he wants a new challenge. Stinks for OSU but blame the PAC12s demise and the changing CFB landscape. Happy to have him in EL!
Jonathan Smith clearly wasn't staying at Oregon State. His equivocation yesterday made that abundantly clear. When he played there under Dennis Erickson, Oregon State was a very good team. It's incredibly difficult to sustain that kind of success there because the top recruits in the PNW almost always go to Oregon or Washington. Michigan State isn't all that more prestigious, but he'll be in a power conference while Oregon St might realistically end up in the Mountain West.
I’m a Kansas state fan but I’ve always liked Oregon state. It sucks to see him leave and the situation Oregon state is in as a whole. I hope Oregon state figured it out and kicks ass in whatever conference they go to
Likewise, I have always had a soft spot for K-state. Very similar programs in a lot of ways. Both schools had programs that were in the dark ages for some time and then managed to put together pretty competitive programs. The changing landscape of the CFP is going to make it where only the big "name brand" programs can compete at the highest level. It sucks because it takes away a lot of what college football is all about. Hopefully ny Beavers will rise from the ashes after all of this is over. I'll be rooting for Kansas State!
I hate it for Oregon State (but the conference realignment is the big villain here) but I love it for Michigan State. I think it's a good smart hire personally.
@@garylivingston9052Oregon State should be thanking themselves. Their president was one of Larry Scott's major supporters. He was the one that mismanaged the conference and created all the problems that led to the Pac-12 falling apart.
@@kyletucker3811agreed. Larry Scott is really the reason the Beavs are in this situation. But, all 12 schools appointed him as commissioner. It’s not like Oregon State had a gun to everyone’s heads. People who were paying attention knew this guy was incompetent for years and that something like this would happen
@@davesnothere8859well at MSU they have a history of having a winning record at Michigan even Mel Tucker was 2-1 which is an embarrassing number in Michigan history
@@alexnowicki286wait....lol "winning record verse Michigan"? Lol the overall record between the two is 72-38-5 Michigan. MSU has been Competitive the last 20 years splitting the series at 10 wins a piece.
@@slippery646 oh see what happens when both teams do home and home series every year and not have MSU play at Michigan for like 30 years straight, you guys wonder why no one likes you, you didn’t let ND in the conference and told other members they would be kicked out if they played ND, you didn’t want MSU in, I mean what can teams do to make you happy bc it seems no one can
@@davesnothere8859 we will see how much your still talking after the NCAA Penalty’s come down. Hate to break this to you but junk ass Mel Tucker was 2-1. Coach Dantonio was 8-5. If you’re talking about what happened more than 17 seasons ago well that’s pathetic. Nationally NOBODY cares. They have had 3 good seasons in a row nobody is going to deny that. It’s just a shame they can’t do it without cheating. I think mich fans are absolutely scared of the Jonathan Smith hire and the future punishments, firings, and departures that are coming on a massive level before next season.
As a Michigan State fan, I definitely have sympathy for you guys, and feel kinda bad. I’m pretty sure if we didn’t get Smith from you, someone else would have. There’s just too much money out there. We felt the same way when LSU “stole” Saban from us 20 years ago. As for your program getting squeezed out, yeah, that’s a real bummer. Saban and many others have been predicting a substantial contraction in major college football, and I don’t think Oregon State and Washington State will be the last to get chopped.
@@deakon071 As a Beaver fan, you are the only other program I really have any affinity for now. I was pulling so hard for you guys to beat UW yesterday.
He had to go. Oregon State has such a muddled future. I’m a Beaver and didn’t want him to go, but I understand. It’s all about the money. ESPN and Fox killed college football as we know it. They don’t care. Oregon State they can’t match the money and told him so.
We were building something. Then we got screwed by literally everybody, between the pac declining tv deals, and Washington and Oregon being impatient. Now our coach is leaving us. About the worst possible scenario. Now we are gonna be in the bottom of the mountain west after everyone transfers away.
I don't want to be in delicate, but your president also had a hand in this. He was possibly the biggest supporter for Larry Scott. And Washington State was one of the members who declined that deal. All members have to agree to the deal for it to happen, they were one of four who held out. The TV deal is up this summer. It's not "getting impatient" for us (Oregon) to want to secure our future. These things are usually handled at least two years out.
Nah, blame the little schools who turned down Texas and Oklahoma and wouldn’t accept unequal revenue sharing. No reason SC should be subsidizing the rest of the league, even when mediocre.
The PAC12 did this to itself with incompetent leadership. It's better to own 50% of something, than 100% of nothing. That's why the PAC12 is in this position. No top program or Coach is going to stick around for that. In order to recruit top talent, they need visibility.
Pac12 leadership consisted of bunch of worthless ex BIG10 executives, including larry Scott and the current pac commissioner...this pac12 train wreck was engineered long ago.
@@sonofrobert yeah I'm laughing too...pac2 controls the purse strings now. Millions too follow them and rightly so. Beavz lay down in the last 2 games should bring in millions more for the pac2. GO SMUCKS AND FUSKIES!
I’m a lifelong MSU fan, honestly this is probably the best hire we could have taken. Michigan state has been rocked with scandals. If we hired urban that would essentially make it our culture. Out of all the coaching options he has the best experience of building a collapsing program, and he can get us back to the top levels soon
As long as he doesn’t hire Lindgren to be your OC he will do amazing bring MSU back to life. Plus if you get OSu’s best Qb prospect that we have ever had come join him you should be good to go.
If it wasn't for OSUs D coordinator, Smith would problaby be below 500. The DC coordinator for Oregon state is now the head coach.... It'll take a year before people and kids see that he was the better coach. (All in my opinion). Good luck Spartans.
As an MSU fan, couldn't be happier. I wish the PAC 12 was still fully intact, and it sucks that it isnt. I feel bad for Oregon St. fans. It's a bunch of bs that college football has "evolved" into what it is now, but it is what it is, unfortunately.
This is such nonsense. I am a Beaver, and current student there, and I am happy for him. He hit his ceiling at Oregon State, and such is the nature of the business.
I live in Oregon and I'm a Oregon state and a Oregon fan a little bit more Oregon just because the school is closer to where I live. But I agree with everything you said. I'm not mad at Smith just frustrated with how everything has worked out. I do think that MSU is a good fit for him and he'll do good. I'm a worried about the future of Or State I was already thinking a ton of guy we're going to transfer before this announcement now even more guys are going to leave. And not knowing who we're playing next year or what the future holds is frustrating. Hopefully we can get a good coach who isn't afraid of the challenge.
Im a duck fan but i have love for oregon state. Hell id rather live their than Eugene. This sucks but it is not surprising. Beavers and couhars dont deserve what is happening to them. Both are solid programs that deserve to be included somewhere
Wow. As a Duck fan. This really sucks. No Civil War (as of now), no conference of prestige for OSU, and no more JS as HC. For real? The future looks bleaker than gerbils in a bat house for OSU. Best of luck to Beaver fans. I hope you get mad and beat em all…
@@garylivingston9052 Blame OSU as much as anyone. The demise of the pac12 as we know it really started with Larry Scott, and who was the biggest supporter of him? OSU.
Well it was not his decision to dismantle the conference? It's called negotiating, you don't think that Oregon and Phil Knight have any power to say what happens, let alone all the other teams?@@chadchadderton
@@garylivingston9052 I wasn't the one blaming and individual or two like the nonsense you've spouted all throughout this comment section. I simply challenged what was a pretty idiotic argument that you regurgitated a million times over.
As a Beavers fan, I feel dead inside. Honestly there is no hope for our athletics program now. So depressing, so sad. Why the fuck did this have to happen to us. Fucking why
It’s barely being relevant for decades and decades, save for a few bright spots here and there. The bigger conferences would lose money by inviting OSU and WSU. Can’t blame Smith who wants to stay coaching a power 5 school. I hate all of this, but it’s shit or get off the pot in this climate.
Dude got off a sinking ship and people are roasting him for it. It's a horrible situation for the team, but blaming Smith for understanding the trajectory of the program and acting accordingly is ridiculous.
@annelewis2945 waited for what? For OSU to tell him that they will either have to cut other varsity sports to keep paying him and his staff, have to pay his staff less and risk losing them, or pay him less because of the drastically reduced revenue they are about to face? It really does suck for OSU with what has happened with all the realignment, and it really sucks that they are losing one of their best coaches of all time who happens to be a former player, but, in a way he is solving a lot of long term headaches for the school lol
I don’t understand why whenever a coach leaves a program everyone says “he did a terrible thing” or “this was a low blow” He’s just a dude trying to feed his family, it’s not like he pulled a Riley and left after saying he wouldn’t and try to take every recruit he could with him
“Feed his family” is a stretch when his salary was already in the millions at OSU. But that aside I don’t think any Oregon State fans are mad at him for the change, it was his only reasonable option. I think what they are saying by a “low blow” is more in terms of the OSU program getting screwed in just about every way imaginable and losing the coach just added to it. As a Oregon State fan it’s devastating, our conference fell apart, we can’t get a p5 conference to take us, with losing our coach we are going to lose a large amount of players from the transfer portal now, all the gain over the last 6 years is gone. So in general the season feels like a “low blow” for Oregon State. I don’t think Oregon State fans are mad at Smith, we are just upset at getting the short end of the stick this entire year.
He was getting paid $2.6 million per year. If you can’t feed your family on $2.6 million per year then you have some serious money mismanagement issues. That being said, I understand what you are trying to say and I agree with it. Just you use very poor wording.
@@gracielynn9623 “Trying to feed his family” is usually a term that is interchangeable with “doing what is best for his family”. I mean if you took it word-for-word literally then sure it’s not great wording; but I think the other things are implied.
I know someone who's son is a player and said that smith had short practices and basically upended the team's chances for the civil war just so he could interview. IDC about him leaving I care about him being a piece of shit about not waiting and ruining the team's biggest game possibly in school history.
@@garylivingston9052Thank yourself! Oregon State is as responsible for this as much as any other PAC-12 school. The PAC did this to themselves, it sucks, but it was a case of the greedy/dumb Chancellors/Presidents making poor frakking decisions and conveying those to a piss poor Commissioner Larry Scott. As an Oregon & PAC-12 fan I frakking hate what has happened, but trying to blame everyone else and not taking responsibility yourself for this is platypus poop! IT SUCKS, period, for all of us PAC-12 fans.
You can’t blame JS for leaving his alma mater to Michigan St for many reasons. 1. OSU has uncertain future with PAC 12 dissolving. 2. OSU has not joined conference for next year. It would have been veryyy challenging to recruit players to OSU with so much uncertainties. 3. He was only making about $2.6 million per year. He can more than double that salary at MSU. 4. His assistants would double their salary too. 5. He will coach in one of the two stable conferences in the nation (Big Ten and SEC). I don’t know any coach would have stayed at Oregon St if they were offered a position from Big Ten schools.
Id actually say that the B12 is now a stable conference...especially with the SEC and BIG having its sights set on the ACC...I think if the PAC hadnt fallen apart, Smith probably turns down the MSU job.....at OSU, he can win 8 games a year and be set..if he does that at MSU, he'll be fired after a few seasons..especially if he is unable to beat OSU and Michigan...for some odd reason, MSU thinks its suppose to be on the same level as Alabama LOL
Wrong on no. 2 he is making 4.85 million this year and would be past 5million in coming years but, you are right on the other points. However, the timing on it is what is a killer for the OSU program. With so much uncertainty I don't blame him but, he was the only steadying force during this terrible time and is just another kick in the teeth on their way down.
It’s not his fault that the rest of the pac12 chased the bag. It’s only a problem when he leaves because the rest of the conference left? This is modern college football and blame the TV contracts
@@lonnesower9413 why would you be mad at him? do you realize how hard his job was about to become next season? how is he gonna recruit decent talent when the team doesnt have its future situated? ok, if he turned down more $$ and stability from MSU to stay...how many losing seasons is the school gonna let him have before they repay his loyalty with a pink slip??? whos to say he even gets another HC if that happens....
naw, the PAC is to blame..they had the chance to take OU and Texas over 10 years ago and said no because Texas wasnt giving up its LHN..had they made the move, their TV deal would have been on par with the BIG and SEC and no one leaves..as a B12 fan, im glad the PAC did nothing cause my conference survived
Honestly, big 12 should have been the conference to dissolve. Without Oklahoma and Texas they have no other consistently good teams and they are centrally located geographically and could pretty easily be divided up amongst the other power 5 conferences. The big 12 is definitely the weakest of the remaining power 5 programs even with the few PAC 12 teams they've added since they've added just as many group of 5 schools. Oklahoma state could join Oklahoma in the SEC to avoid losing their rivalry. Iowa state could have gone to big ten with Iowa to make their rivalry game a conference match up, etc.
@@lylemoore3827 I don't think rivalry games need to be in the same conference. Oregon/Oregon State want to keep playing each other, Colorado/Colorado State, BYU/Utah, are more examples. If the PAC was managed like the BiG, Texas and Oklahoma would have been in the PAC along with others and they wouldn't have had equal revenue sharing, which forced USC to leave the PAC. The woke is for losers conference into the dustbin of history.
Great vid Scott! Well said. This hurts, pretty bad. I understand his move as well. He will always be welcome back as far as I'm concerned. But, when you are hit by a nuke and stand at ground zero still alive, there is still a future. Some things still remain. Beavers are still resilient and tough. This isn't the first time a good coach has left. We survived those we will This time as well. If this about money(which conference realignment is all about) then ok. Let's talk about money. Oregon State has 2 alums for sure who are billionaires. One gentleman co-owns/or recently did, the Milwaukee Bucks. Our other is the founder and CEO of NVIDIA, the number one company in the A.I. space and possibly the largest wealth building business sector in the world. While of course it's not up to alums like these to pay the athletic departments bills, I hope they will step up as they already have and be part of Beaver nation rebirth. With change comes new opportunity. Let's look forward together.
As a beaver fan this absolutely killed me yesterday this is the best we’ve been since the early 2000s and he was the only thing we were still holding on to I don’t hate Johnathan I’m not mad at him I understand he got a better opportunity, more money, easier recruiting. But it hurts man I’m really gonna miss him.
What is horrible about Jonathan Smith leaving Oregon State and coming to Michigan State? It seems like he stayed there quite a while and built a good program for them. How is that "spurning" Oregon State? He didn't leave them mid season. He certainly didn't leave the program in a worse spot than he found it in. He didn't do anything scandalous. He just left for a bigger program. I don't root against LSU just because Saban left Michigan State to go there.
It wasnt Michigan State it was the conference realignment that screwed Oregon State. That said Smith seems like a fine coach but there are some Spartan fans who are a bit disappointed that this is the direction we went in.
Yeah the whole situation is sickening. Mostly for Jonathan Smith. He didn't ask for the PAC 12 collapse. He had no control over that. Commitment and loyalty are two way streets. He returned to Oregon State asap and stayed for 5,6 years. He's not cutting and running.
@@lonnesower9413 Just call it Jonathan Smith exercising his right to enter a transfer portal. College athletes do it all the time after committing to a program.
As a duck 🦆 fan im Disappointed at the Pac 12. We are thriving as a conference and have the best QBs coming out of the conference and one of the most talked about schools in the conference (colorado)now we gotta erase are legacy of champions over money 💰 this is untraditional
Spartan here - This is a great hire for the Spartans. Jonathan Smith is a winning coach and a coach who has proven he can turn around a FG program on the ropes. The PAC 12 has imploded as 4 teams head to the Big 10 (Big 18?) This will be the most competitive, the most watched and the most rewarding CFB conference in the future. At MSU Jonathan Smith will find NIL money, great support from alumni and a University with a positive FB history. Actually MSU in times past have won National Championships. I expect JS will be more supported, more resourced and THE challenge to become a great coach in the first SUPER CFB Conference. He has an edge competing against USC, UCLA, WA and OR Ducks - he has been there. Watch Jonathan Smith GROW as a coach and join MSU that can compete for a National Championship (which they did a half-dozen years ago). We ARE fortunate to have hired Coach Smith -- a SPARTANS’ WELCOME TO YOU! GO GREEN GO WHITE.
Why is this shocking since there are only 2 teams left in the PAC 12 starting next year can't blame him for leaving good luck OSU with trying to hire a high caliber coach.
As an Oregon State alum, this ripped my heart out. I'm not buying the you can't blame him mentality. I think the stand up thing to do would be to stick with them and get them through the challenge of overcoming what has happened to OSU. I always thought he was sincere when he said this was his dream job and was totally committed to us. He did not have to abandon us now as waiting for a couple years wouldn't have changed the fact that he is a great football coach and will always be in demand. So if things didn't work out for Oregon State and their future, he would still have no problem getting a good coaching job somewhere. Many of us here truly believed he was committed to seeing us through this.
Maybe he will one day come back to Oregon State as an end of career job after he got a ton of experience and help Oregon state make it big. Who knows what is in his mind. Maybe he will pull an Erickson move.
In college football, you are hot or you are not ... there is no in between. He had no choice but to hit while the iron was hot ... if players leave, it's very difficult even for the best of coaches (ask Billicheck), so as the loses start piling up, everyone would be looking for who is hot...
Feel bad for Oregon State but for Smith, its hard to recruit Power 5 caliber players if you're not in the P5 Schools anymore. I wanted the PAC 12 to stay together. I'm an alum of Washington State and we're in the same boat with the PAC 12 going away. Thought that with USC and UCLA leaving that the Conference would be able to hold together but obviously not. It makes a lot of sense (NOT) for Cal and Stanford to go to the ACC where typical air travel distances will be 2600-3000 miles with 1 day flight times (6-7-8 hours) as opposed to a couple of hours for most of the PAC 12. Now repeat after me: CAL & STANFORD ADMINISTRATIONS CARE DEEPLY ABOUT THEIR STUDENT ATHLETES!! Also, where will the ACC be if Clemson, Florida State, and Miami leave for SEC, etc.??
I think if those schools leave the ACC (I think the SEC and BIG take more than just them) then you could see the B12 poach a few from them like they did with the PAC
@@carsonc29 That's a great point with the Big 12 I hadn't thought about!! So if ACC dissolves and PAC 12 dissolves, we end up with the Power 3 Conferences.
@@neilopfer5687 possibly...some have suggested that if the ACC lost its top couple schools that theyd come after the B12 to fill in their gaps..but I think an ACC without its top4-5 schools wouldnt even be an enticing place to leave to..least not financially
The SEC isn't interested in Clemson, Fla St or Miami. ( they approched the SEC and we're told "not at this time") Texas & OU join next season making it a 16 team conference, and I'm sure some rivalry games may be lost to this addition. I don't like what college football is becoming myself, and what's happening to O.St is terrible IMO.
Pretty good summary. I am a Spartan and loyalty means a ton, which bothered me about Smith. But then thinking about the terrible predicament the Beavs are in, I could understand this. If this wasn't a factor, I'd have a big red flag in my mind. It had to be hard for Smith to leave, but was nearly impossible to stay. I feel bad for Osu's situation. Really wish the BiG Ten/PAC 12/Rose Bowl connection would have gone on for another century, But as they say, all good things must come to an end. Once the Rose Bowl entered the fray, the fate of college football was sealed.
@@kyletucker3811 conference realignment has never been this crazy I mean bro oregon and ucla are going to be playing big ten teams next year. While conference realignment happened before, it has always made geographical sense, now smu and Stanford are in the acc and usc is in the big ten 😂
While I understand the likely reasoning for Jonathan Smith leaving for Michigan State, it doesn't mean it wasn't a low blow or sucks. Its partially on him and mostly on the current annoying state of college football alignment, what do you guys think?
Honestly, I think you are being a bit too precious about the realignment. This happens historically. It's not new. And it's far from a silly matter. Larry Scott well and truly ran the conference into the ground. And a number of Pac-12 presidents (among them, OSU) supported him. He signed a terrible TV deal, the Pac-12 network was a terrible idea, Pac-12 after dark was fun but ultimately left teams out west in a terrible position for the CFP. Then USC and UCLA left, and four of the remaining teams got greedy (including WSU) and wanted 50 million a team on the deal. This left big programs like Oregon and Washington hanging in the wind, and college presidents despise that. They want things planned several years out. So, having options, they took them, and that led others to taking their options. Sad as it is, in the end, OSU and WSU had more of a hand in their current situations than a lot of the departing teams. Namely, Oregon, who I've seen Beaver fans try to blame for this.
College football nowadays, there are no such thing as loyalty. It's every players, every players, and every teams for themselves. Only one that still have loyalty are the fans for their team
I dont blame him for leaving i do blame him for the way in which he went about it. He checked out before some of our biggest games and sabotaged the civil war. Im rooting against him going forward.
I don’t understand how USC, UCLA, Oregon and the rest of the pac 12 could not coalesce to create excitement and the revenue stream they want. I guess CA is just a complete mess. And didn’t CA pass a state law their state employees, which would include the coaches, could not go to some of the BIG 10 states and conduct state business? It’s terrible what they will do to these kids. The travel is not feasable. why even require class for the athletes?
I get it, can't really blame him with Pac12 being a complete dumpster fire. Still, bad weekend for Beavers... but the grass ain't always greener elsewhere.
right..he'll make more $$, but MSU expect to be on the same level as OSU and Alabama..and thats never been them...he can win 8 games a year or Oregon st and never have to worry about his job..let him do that at MSU (especially if he cant beat Michigan or Ohio st) and he'll be on the hot seat every season
Smith will be in the same predicament at MSU that he was at OSU as far being competitive and recruiting. With teams like Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State and Iowa…then you add USC, UW, etc. It’s gonna even be harder cuz the Big Ten is way more competitive than the weak PAC 12 has been for many years…but ya gotta go where the money is right
@@swid2153 yes …when is the last time a pac-12 team won the national championship in foootball…? … go and look it up …and I’m a pac -12 fan ….I’m just a realist …Oregon state won baseball in 2018 I think…but what has the pac-12 won in the big 3 men’s sports besides that …I know ucla or AZ may have a basketball championship in the 90’s but cmon be true to yourself…
Not only its sad for football, it will impact other sports. Not sure how the Beaver baseball program would do with that conference realignment. They are one of the best baseball programs out west at time hosting regionals plus they recently won national titles in Omaha.
They don't care about any of the other sports, Football is the big $$$$ maker for colleges. Totally out of balance with the NIL shit and the portal.....Greed.
Oregon state student and athlete alumni as well as from corvallis. Its not that he left for a better program. We are use to it. Its HOW he left. The DAY BeFOre the Civil War we tells the team?! Really?! The players were gutted and have attested to how betrayed they felt going into the game. Then days later at the MSU press conference states how he "values in state rivalries and how important and meaningful they are". Guys a snake and cant be trusted.
Washington State will lose Cameron Ward to the transfer portal as they aren't capable of paying the NIL. These smaller programs are like the farm systems for the bigger programs now.
Michigan State has SIX national titles in football, in the B1G conference, huge alumni base, wonderful campus, and just a better all around program. Also, the cash and name brand helps.
hate to be that guy, but their last national championship was nearly 60 years ago. Hardly relevant in the modern day. That’s like stating Harvard’s an elite program because they have national championships in the early 1920s. In the last 20 years, MSU has been a relatively average to slightly above average program. What they do have, that OSU doesn’t, is a conference and stable leadership. Can’t say I blame Smith for leaving for that, even if he did stab his Alma mater in the back
😂😂😂😂😂 hey princess we all thought you were dead. We thought you had a heart attack or committed suicide since OREGON JOINED THE BIG10. How do you like our Ducks getting closer to winning it all. We all know how bitter your are. Did you watched any of the game? I know you didn’t but maybe you took a pick or check the scoreboard evry time OREGON plays. 😂😂😂😂😂
@@YoshiYosheda honestly, if OSU and WSU ask the MWC for membership, they arent gonna say no...OSU and WSU are former P5 schools with P5 facilites..the MWC would be in no position to say no to that..having them will make their brand a little better and might even increase their TV payout..not by much, but 7-10 million per school is better than the 4 million they pay out now..now I could see the MWC make it very hard for its members to leave for the PAC if OSU and WSU wanted to rebuild the PAC
l hate how he kept Aidan out of both of the last 2 games because he is stupid 🙄 and selfish because he told Aidan that he would bring him with him to Mich...Traitor...and dis-loyalty is rewarded theses days...
The fact he left sucks for us die-hard Beavs, but understandable given the conference limbo. The way he left is what sucks... he had been taking with MSU for almost half the season and made some very questionable coaching decisions. The fake field goal from the 29 with 2 seconds left in the half, where the kicker ran the ball, cost the game at Arizona is just the most glaring example. He was dishonest with players (see Damian Martinez's thoughts) and many saw the writing on the wall before the Oregon game. Smith's was distracted, and his coaching showed that. Good luck, MSU. JS is a SoCal native, will get you to a bowl then bolt to USC or UCLA...
My conspiracy theory is that the big schools will either break away from the ncaa within the next 10yrs. Or they'll relegate the smaller schools within the power conferences, leaving only themselves. That means, bye bye Vandy, Northwestern, and many others. If they do break away, I cam see the rest of college football going back to a more regional model.
foregone conclusion when Oregon State got left behind in conference realignment because they dont prioritize athletics. Michigan State is a good landing spot for him and I wish him well.
Awwww, Little Brother has a new leader. How cute, a Beaver Leader. Is he coming too or was that just Tuck? Well, at least he will still be able to lose to the Ducks. Welcome to the B1G
I am a husky and really like Jonathon Smith. There is something about him that is old school. I feel bad for OSU and even WSU. Really sad for OSU and do understand why JS left but OSU was really up and coming program which is nice to see that is not all about UofO anymore at least in Oregon. Hope they find a good home OSU and hope UW pummels MSU when we play them but will likely see MSU become more competitive with OSU and Michigan as I think he is likeable and recruiting will be done well and he is a good coach as well.
Conference realignment will objectively line the pockets of many smaller programs, not just the titans of sports. This is because of a little something called collective bargaining, where the most schools bargain together with tv networks, the more money the deals will be worth, and these deals are almost always split evenly, so despite how you feel, Illinois and Wisconsins will see as much extra money from the new schools coming to the Big 10 as Ohio State and Michigan will
I guess money 💰 talks more than loyalty to OSU Beav's! He will have a hard time making it in the b10 especially the additional 4-ex Pac12 schools 🏫 to the b10 recruiting will be even more difficult!
Don’t get why this is horrible. He was, literally, the last guy in the house before turning the lights out. You wanted him to get excited about playing that MWC schedule next year? What is horrible is how the PAC12, with history and weather on its side, played the Big Boy business of collegiate sports like a 2 year old.
As a OSU alum who also attended MSU. I think it’s a good news bad news situation. This will leave OSU in an extremely difficult situation regarding trying to hire a new head coach. The true blame for this goes to conference realignment and big television money.
I am a Beavs fan and can't blame him (although given how they performed in the Civil War, he could've timed it better). Conference realignment (and to a lesser extent, the portal and NIL) are destroying the spirit and tradition of CFB in favor of a short term cash grab.
I’m an Oregon state fan, and student, and I’m not even mad at Jonathan Smith. Yes, it sucks for our program that was already doomed from conference realignment. But I know almost ANYONE in his position would have done the same thing, including myself. I’m rooting for him and I’ll be rooting for Michigan State for years to come. What I’m most angered about are the toxic duck fans that are celebrating the downfall of a program they have so much history with. I can’t stand the ducks, but I would never wish what’s happening to OSU to happen to them
YOU can't blame JS, his conference is folding and his future was hanging on the future of OSU, I was surprised but then again, not, he has an opportunity to advance his career, he may have some of his guys follow him to MSU, via the transfer portal.
MSU fan here. All's fair in love war and business. He's taking care of his family first and foremost,and going to a place where he can realize goals. Glad we have him after
The recent realignment is indeed sickening. Although I'm an UW fan and alumni, I still feel it is sick what has happen with the PAC12 , OSU and WSU. How can these 2 schools recruit and retain elite athletes with this turmoil? There are only 2 'conferences' in college football...the ESPN and the Fox conferences. They both control what teams get into what conferences. There is plenty of blame to go around as to why. The PAC12, NCAA, B10, B12, ACC and all of the schools' leadership are all culpable. it all about the money. I do think you are right about Smith's future at OSU. He had a chance for football program immortality if he would have stayed on.
I am an OSU alumni. I used to have season tickets, but during the Gary Anderson debacle I gave them up. I have been a fan through television only. When NIL was first "legalized" I predicted at some point we will be down to just 40 or so college football teams. OSU and WSU will now be on a downward spiral for the forseeable future. The PAC12 imploded because of the failed PAC12 network and because the CFP ignored the conference. Now the ACC is the CFP stepchild- it will began to implode over the next few seasons. The rich will get richer and the less well financed programs will be losers. NIL and the transfer portal foster greed- something that will drive fan bases away from supporting these programs.
JS thank you for building the Beavers, it was fund seeing the team improve every year, and made us relevant the last couple of years! However, I can't be happy about him leaving, and I can't see myself pulling for him at MST, hope he is average winning there!
I’m a Msu fan, sorry to all the beavers out there. A lot of msu fans had adopted you guys as our team, we can relate to the underdog in state school. Coach Smith seems like a great hire. Blame greed for all this.
Being an alum and fan of the Beavers this loss of Smith sucks. I agree with all the reasons you stated for Smith's decision. The biggest mistake he did is telling the team before the game with the Ducks. Deflate the ballon as you leave! With all the realignment uncertainity, this really digs a deep hole for the beavers to dig out of.
As an MSU fan, I remember Nick Sabin telling the MSU faithful that he wasnt going anywhere, only to have a picture on the front page of the local paper showing him walking out the door the next day. It sucks, but it is part of the business.
Jonathan Smith left OSU because of whomever it is (regents/President) that should be taking care of business with the current conference alignment...and the Pac 12 which was clueless as to what was happening in college football. Yes, it probably was a very tough choice for him...but one that shouldn't be difficult understand.
as an oregon duck alum i cried when chip kelly walked on the ducks and i feel the same way for osu with smith. may smith have a short stay and out on his ass at msu, as did kelly in the pros. what has to hurt doubly is smith was a beaver alumni. talk about being true to your school....NOT. condolences go out to the beavers.
I'm a Beaver with a deep love for Oregon State and I am feeling absolutely gutted by this. Jonathan Smith felt like the only hope for our program, which was decimated by the dissolution of the Pac-12 and now all I can imagine is a domino effect in terms of recruiting and talent retention. I'm grieving the loss of Beaver Football. 😢
Go ducks!
It could be worse, you could be a Boston College fan like me....
@@Chris-tq1jy I haven't followed Boston College, so I don't know about that...but I do know that our program is being ripped to shreds right before my eyes just as we're finally reaching relevance on a national scale.
@@BOOGiNS oregon went from top dog in the PAC to a mid BIG program..congrats...
@@carsonc29 OSU went from forgettable to non-existent. Congrats lmao
As an MSU fan and alum, I feel bad for Oregon State's situation with the collapse of the Pac-12, and the loss of a Beaver QB, alum, and coach. I have always had a soft spot for Oregon State and hope they find a major conference home.
We sure as hell won't now. We would be lucky for the moutain west now. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if we go down to tbe big sky.
Win the upcoming court case and by the grace of God Oregon State will rise again.
@@jbrobinson2728 What court case?
Going to a better conference, better salary, more resources and $ for staff. Bigger fan base, better facilities, an all time top 20 program in CFB. It’s a smart move for Smith, clearly he wants a new challenge. Stinks for OSU but blame the PAC12s demise and the changing CFB landscape. Happy to have him in EL!
Ridiculous to say it’s a low blow. He brought OSU back from a 1-11 crater. The team has a G5 future in the mountain west.
@@markwebster4996boohoo keep crying
Jonathan Smith clearly wasn't staying at Oregon State. His equivocation yesterday made that abundantly clear. When he played there under Dennis Erickson, Oregon State was a very good team. It's incredibly difficult to sustain that kind of success there because the top recruits in the PNW almost always go to Oregon or Washington. Michigan State isn't all that more prestigious, but he'll be in a power conference while Oregon St might realistically end up in the Mountain West.
@@dj.sobxrbedon’t be disrespectful I’m a Spartans fan don’t make us look bad
@@sportsfacts16thank you for being classy.
I’m a Kansas state fan but I’ve always liked Oregon state. It sucks to see him leave and the situation Oregon state is in as a whole. I hope Oregon state figured it out and kicks ass in whatever conference they go to
Likewise, I have always had a soft spot for K-state. Very similar programs in a lot of ways. Both schools had programs that were in the dark ages for some time and then managed to put together pretty competitive programs. The changing landscape of the CFP is going to make it where only the big "name brand" programs can compete at the highest level. It sucks because it takes away a lot of what college football is all about. Hopefully ny Beavers will rise from the ashes after all of this is over. I'll be rooting for Kansas State!
@@themrclarenceand I’ll be rooting for the beavers!
I hate it for Oregon State (but the conference realignment is the big villain here) but I love it for Michigan State. I think it's a good smart hire personally.
Thanks Oregon.
@@garylivingston9052Oregon State should be thanking themselves. Their president was one of Larry Scott's major supporters. He was the one that mismanaged the conference and created all the problems that led to the Pac-12 falling apart.
@@kyletucker3811agreed. Larry Scott is really the reason the Beavs are in this situation. But, all 12 schools appointed him as commissioner. It’s not like Oregon State had a gun to everyone’s heads. People who were paying attention knew this guy was incompetent for years and that something like this would happen
I’m a student at MSU, and as bad as I feel for Oregon State, I am beyond pleased with the hire of Jonathan Smoth
Great hire for sparty, he ain't going to be about bullshit plus he already knows how to be the coach of the second best team in the state.
@@davesnothere8859well at MSU they have a history of having a winning record at Michigan even Mel Tucker was 2-1 which is an embarrassing number in Michigan history
@@alexnowicki286wait....lol "winning record verse Michigan"? Lol the overall record between the two is 72-38-5 Michigan. MSU has been Competitive the last 20 years splitting the series at 10 wins a piece.
@@slippery646 oh see what happens when both teams do home and home series every year and not have MSU play at Michigan for like 30 years straight, you guys wonder why no one likes you, you didn’t let ND in the conference and told other members they would be kicked out if they played ND, you didn’t want MSU in, I mean what can teams do to make you happy bc it seems no one can
@@davesnothere8859 we will see how much your still talking after the NCAA Penalty’s come down. Hate to break this to you but junk ass Mel Tucker was 2-1. Coach Dantonio was 8-5. If you’re talking about what happened more than 17 seasons ago well that’s pathetic. Nationally NOBODY cares. They have had 3 good seasons in a row nobody is going to deny that. It’s just a shame they can’t do it without cheating. I think mich fans are absolutely scared of the Jonathan Smith hire and the future punishments, firings, and departures that are coming on a massive level before next season.
As an oregon state fan this is devastating
As a coug, you have my sympathy. This isn't right.
As a Duck, I sympathize with both of you. The whole thing stinks.
As a Michigan State fan, I definitely have sympathy for you guys, and feel kinda bad. I’m pretty sure if we didn’t get Smith from you, someone else would have. There’s just too much money out there. We felt the same way when LSU “stole” Saban from us 20 years ago. As for your program getting squeezed out, yeah, that’s a real bummer. Saban and many others have been predicting a substantial contraction in major college football, and I don’t think Oregon State and Washington State will be the last to get chopped.
@@deakon071 As a Beaver fan, you are the only other program I really have any affinity for now. I was pulling so hard for you guys to beat UW yesterday.
He had to go. Oregon State has such a muddled future. I’m a Beaver and didn’t want him to go, but I understand. It’s all about the money. ESPN and Fox killed college football as we know it. They don’t care. Oregon State they can’t match the money and told him so.
I think even if they could’ve matched it, he still would’ve left.
We were building something. Then we got screwed by literally everybody, between the pac declining tv deals, and Washington and Oregon being impatient. Now our coach is leaving us. About the worst possible scenario. Now we are gonna be in the bottom of the mountain west after everyone transfers away.
All Pac-12 schools are to blame for this. They all had the chance to fire Larry Scott before the abyss.
I don't want to be in delicate, but your president also had a hand in this. He was possibly the biggest supporter for Larry Scott. And Washington State was one of the members who declined that deal. All members have to agree to the deal for it to happen, they were one of four who held out.
The TV deal is up this summer. It's not "getting impatient" for us (Oregon) to want to secure our future. These things are usually handled at least two years out.
You aren’t wrong about anything, except maybe being at the bottom of the Mountain West. It’s pretty hard to be the worst in that conference 😂
Don't blame Oregon and Washington, blame USC and UCLA. Their departure made the situation untenable for all the teams that left after.
Nah, blame the little schools who turned down Texas and Oklahoma and wouldn’t accept unequal revenue sharing. No reason SC should be subsidizing the rest of the league, even when mediocre.
As an Oregon fan this hurts so bad for all my beavers in the community
The PAC12 did this to itself with incompetent leadership. It's better to own 50% of something, than 100% of nothing. That's why the PAC12 is in this position. No top program or Coach is going to stick around for that. In order to recruit top talent, they need visibility.
The PAC 2..lol
Pac12 leadership consisted of bunch of worthless ex BIG10 executives, including larry Scott and the current pac commissioner...this pac12 train wreck was engineered long ago.
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yeah I'm laughing too...pac2 controls the purse strings now.
Millions too follow them and rightly so.
Beavz lay down in the last 2 games should bring in millions more for the pac2.
GO SMUCKS AND FUSKIES!
I’m a lifelong MSU fan, honestly this is probably the best hire we could have taken. Michigan state has been rocked with scandals. If we hired urban that would essentially make it our culture. Out of all the coaching options he has the best experience of building a collapsing program, and he can get us back to the top levels soon
As long as he doesn’t hire Lindgren to be your OC he will do amazing bring MSU back to life. Plus if you get OSu’s best Qb prospect that we have ever had come join him you should be good to go.
If it wasn't for OSUs D coordinator, Smith would problaby be below 500. The DC coordinator for Oregon state is now the head coach.... It'll take a year before people and kids see that he was the better coach. (All in my opinion).
Good luck Spartans.
As an MSU fan, couldn't be happier. I wish the PAC 12 was still fully intact, and it sucks that it isnt. I feel bad for Oregon St. fans. It's a bunch of bs that college football has "evolved" into what it is now, but it is what it is, unfortunately.
This is such nonsense. I am a Beaver, and current student there, and I am happy for him.
He hit his ceiling at Oregon State, and such is the nature of the business.
I live in Oregon and I'm a Oregon state and a Oregon fan a little bit more Oregon just because the school is closer to where I live. But I agree with everything you said. I'm not mad at Smith just frustrated with how everything has worked out. I do think that MSU is a good fit for him and he'll do good. I'm a worried about the future of Or State I was already thinking a ton of guy we're going to transfer before this announcement now even more guys are going to leave. And not knowing who we're playing next year or what the future holds is frustrating. Hopefully we can get a good coach who isn't afraid of the challenge.
The guy from San Jose State is probably the guy they hire.
I don’t blame him at all
Don’t leave your future to chance
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Im a duck fan but i have love for oregon state. Hell id rather live their than Eugene. This sucks but it is not surprising. Beavers and couhars dont deserve what is happening to them. Both are solid programs that deserve to be included somewhere
Wow. As a Duck fan. This really sucks. No Civil War (as of now), no conference of prestige for OSU, and no more JS as HC. For real? The future looks bleaker than gerbils in a bat house for OSU. Best of luck to Beaver fans. I hope you get mad and beat em all…
Thank you for showing some class. Heartbroken Beaver faithful like myself appreciate that.
Thanks Oregon and Washington.
@@garylivingston9052 Blame OSU as much as anyone. The demise of the pac12 as we know it really started with Larry Scott, and who was the biggest supporter of him? OSU.
Well it was not his decision to dismantle the conference? It's called negotiating, you don't think that Oregon and Phil Knight have any power to say what happens, let alone all the other teams?@@chadchadderton
@@garylivingston9052 I wasn't the one blaming and individual or two like the nonsense you've spouted all throughout this comment section. I simply challenged what was a pretty idiotic argument that you regurgitated a million times over.
As a Beavers fan, I feel dead inside. Honestly there is no hope for our athletics program now. So depressing, so sad. Why the fuck did this have to happen to us. Fucking why
Your right. The basketball program sucks too.
It happened because nobody wants to be in Corvallis including espn gameday
It’s barely being relevant for decades and decades, save for a few bright spots here and there. The bigger conferences would lose money by inviting OSU and WSU. Can’t blame Smith who wants to stay coaching a power 5 school. I hate all of this, but it’s shit or get off the pot in this climate.
@@Ducksfan76😅😅😅
I'm right there with you.
Dude got off a sinking ship and people are roasting him for it. It's a horrible situation for the team, but blaming Smith for understanding the trajectory of the program and acting accordingly is ridiculous.
pretty sure people arent mad at him for making the move..more like saddened since he was a bright spot for the school amidst all the unheaval
I can't wait for Oregon to either lose to UW, or to absolutely get destroyed in the CFP. Fuck the Ducks
He could have waited but no, he threw his alma mater under the bus.
Waited for what? Them to join the Mountain West?@@annelewis2945
@annelewis2945 waited for what? For OSU to tell him that they will either have to cut other varsity sports to keep paying him and his staff, have to pay his staff less and risk losing them, or pay him less because of the drastically reduced revenue they are about to face? It really does suck for OSU with what has happened with all the realignment, and it really sucks that they are losing one of their best coaches of all time who happens to be a former player, but, in a way he is solving a lot of long term headaches for the school lol
I don’t understand why whenever a coach leaves a program everyone says “he did a terrible thing” or “this was a low blow”
He’s just a dude trying to feed his family, it’s not like he pulled a Riley and left after saying he wouldn’t and try to take every recruit he could with him
“Feed his family” is a stretch when his salary was already in the millions at OSU. But that aside I don’t think any Oregon State fans are mad at him for the change, it was his only reasonable option. I think what they are saying by a “low blow” is more in terms of the OSU program getting screwed in just about every way imaginable and losing the coach just added to it. As a Oregon State fan it’s devastating, our conference fell apart, we can’t get a p5 conference to take us, with losing our coach we are going to lose a large amount of players from the transfer portal now, all the gain over the last 6 years is gone. So in general the season feels like a “low blow” for Oregon State.
I don’t think Oregon State fans are mad at Smith, we are just upset at getting the short end of the stick this entire year.
@@exoticgamer5866 his salary, will more than double at Michigan State. Most people would take that.
He was getting paid $2.6 million per year. If you can’t feed your family on $2.6 million per year then you have some serious money mismanagement issues. That being said, I understand what you are trying to say and I agree with it. Just you use very poor wording.
@@gracielynn9623
“Trying to feed his family” is usually a term that is interchangeable with “doing what is best for his family”. I mean if you took it word-for-word literally then sure it’s not great wording; but I think the other things are implied.
@@suzigrekin8849 I’m aware, I said I agreed with his decision. But it sucks for Oregon State.
So not sure what you’re getting at here?
I know someone who's son is a player and said that smith had short practices and basically upended the team's chances for the civil war just so he could interview. IDC about him leaving I care about him being a piece of shit about not waiting and ruining the team's biggest game possibly in school history.
I am a Duck. So, no love lost whatsoever in regards to Oregon State shenanigans. But even I will admit this sucks for State.
Thanks Oregon and Washington.
@@garylivingston9052Thank yourself! Oregon State is as responsible for this as much as any other PAC-12 school. The PAC did this to themselves, it sucks, but it was a case of the greedy/dumb Chancellors/Presidents making poor frakking decisions and conveying those to a piss poor Commissioner Larry Scott. As an Oregon & PAC-12 fan I frakking hate what has happened, but trying to blame everyone else and not taking responsibility yourself for this is platypus poop! IT SUCKS, period, for all of us PAC-12 fans.
Neither school will win the Big title. Enjoy the freezing weather😅
And what sucks for the Ducks is that their success is pretty much tied to Nike’s success. In a free market, anything can happen.
how does that suck?@@humpadumpathump5918
The reason he took the job is because Oregon state doesn’t even have a conference to play in next fall
They don’t have a conference yet, but it’ll most likely be the Mountain West.
Thanks Oregon and Washington.
@@garylivingston9052no thank usc and ucla
mediocre teams. UCLA cant even fill a stadium.!
You can’t blame JS for leaving his alma mater to Michigan St for many reasons.
1. OSU has uncertain future with PAC 12 dissolving.
2. OSU has not joined conference for next year. It would have been veryyy challenging to recruit players to OSU with so much uncertainties.
3. He was only making about $2.6 million per year. He can more than double that salary at MSU.
4. His assistants would double their salary too.
5. He will coach in one of the two stable conferences in the nation (Big Ten and SEC).
I don’t know any coach would have stayed at Oregon St if they were offered a position from Big Ten schools.
Id actually say that the B12 is now a stable conference...especially with the SEC and BIG having its sights set on the ACC...I think if the PAC hadnt fallen apart, Smith probably turns down the MSU job.....at OSU, he can win 8 games a year and be set..if he does that at MSU, he'll be fired after a few seasons..especially if he is unable to beat OSU and Michigan...for some odd reason, MSU thinks its suppose to be on the same level as Alabama LOL
Wrong on no. 2 he is making 4.85 million this year and would be past 5million in coming years but, you are right on the other points. However, the timing on it is what is a killer for the OSU program. With so much uncertainty I don't blame him but, he was the only steadying force during this terrible time and is just another kick in the teeth on their way down.
What Jonathon Smith did is not “horrible “. It’s smart. Sad for OSU, but the right choice for Mr. Smith. Don’t be silly.
It’s not his fault that the rest of the pac12 chased the bag. It’s only a problem when he leaves because the rest of the conference left? This is modern college football and blame the TV contracts
I dont think people are mad at him per say..more like saddened and frustrated by the circumstances that forced him to leave...
I am mad at him , and the team knew he was selling out at the duck game!
@@lonnesower9413 why would you be mad at him? do you realize how hard his job was about to become next season? how is he gonna recruit decent talent when the team doesnt have its future situated? ok, if he turned down more $$ and stability from MSU to stay...how many losing seasons is the school gonna let him have before they repay his loyalty with a pink slip??? whos to say he even gets another HC if that happens....
@@carsonc29 I’m an MSU fan and my team sucked. I watched a ton of Oregon st football this year because they’ve been fun to watch.
Blame UCLA and USC. When they left, all the rest followed inexorably
naw, the PAC is to blame..they had the chance to take OU and Texas over 10 years ago and said no because Texas wasnt giving up its LHN..had they made the move, their TV deal would have been on par with the BIG and SEC and no one leaves..as a B12 fan, im glad the PAC did nothing cause my conference survived
Wrong, blame the leadership that ran the PAC into the ground for a decade.
All the teams that left are smart to get off the sinking ship.
He’s rt blame Texas and OU.
Honestly, big 12 should have been the conference to dissolve. Without Oklahoma and Texas they have no other consistently good teams and they are centrally located geographically and could pretty easily be divided up amongst the other power 5 conferences. The big 12 is definitely the weakest of the remaining power 5 programs even with the few PAC 12 teams they've added since they've added just as many group of 5 schools. Oklahoma state could join Oklahoma in the SEC to avoid losing their rivalry. Iowa state could have gone to big ten with Iowa to make their rivalry game a conference match up, etc.
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I don't think rivalry games need to be in the same conference. Oregon/Oregon State want to keep playing each other, Colorado/Colorado State, BYU/Utah, are more examples.
If the PAC was managed like the BiG, Texas and Oklahoma would have been in the PAC along with others and they wouldn't have had equal revenue sharing, which forced USC to leave the PAC.
The woke is for losers conference into the dustbin of history.
Great vid Scott! Well said. This hurts, pretty bad. I understand his move as well. He will always be welcome back as far as I'm concerned. But, when you are hit by a nuke and stand at ground zero still alive, there is still a future. Some things still remain. Beavers are still resilient and tough. This isn't the first time a good coach has left. We survived those we will This time as well. If this about money(which conference realignment is all about) then ok. Let's talk about money. Oregon State has 2 alums for sure who are billionaires. One gentleman co-owns/or recently did, the Milwaukee Bucks. Our other is the founder and CEO of NVIDIA, the number one company in the A.I. space and possibly the largest wealth building business sector in the world. While of course it's not up to alums like these to pay the athletic departments bills, I hope they will step up as they already have and be part of Beaver nation rebirth. With change comes new opportunity. Let's look forward together.
As a beaver fan this absolutely killed me yesterday this is the best we’ve been since the early 2000s and he was the only thing we were still holding on to I don’t hate Johnathan I’m not mad at him I understand he got a better opportunity, more money, easier recruiting. But it hurts man I’m really gonna miss him.
Interesting. Lanning and Smith will continue to battle, but in a different conference. Excellent hire by MSU.
Let's hope the new guy doesn't enjoy lewd activities on video chats.
What is horrible about Jonathan Smith leaving Oregon State and coming to Michigan State? It seems like he stayed there quite a while and built a good program for them. How is that "spurning" Oregon State?
He didn't leave them mid season. He certainly didn't leave the program in a worse spot than he found it in. He didn't do anything scandalous. He just left for a bigger program.
I don't root against LSU just because Saban left Michigan State to go there.
It’s the rest of the pac 12’s fault not smith
It wasnt Michigan State it was the conference realignment that screwed Oregon State.
That said Smith seems like a fine coach but there are some Spartan fans who are a bit disappointed that this is the direction we went in.
Yeah the whole situation is sickening. Mostly for Jonathan Smith. He didn't ask for the PAC 12 collapse. He had no control over that. Commitment and loyalty are two way streets. He returned to Oregon State asap and stayed for 5,6 years. He's not cutting and running.
OK, I'll come back some from my comment but your headline makes Jonathan Smith out to be some kind of villain. imho.
He is exactly cutting and running, and he knows it.
@@lonnesower9413
Just call it Jonathan Smith exercising his right to enter a transfer portal. College athletes do it all the time after committing to a program.
As a duck 🦆 fan im Disappointed at the Pac 12. We are thriving as a conference and have the best QBs coming out of the conference and one of the most talked about schools in the conference (colorado)now we gotta erase are legacy of champions over money 💰 this is untraditional
He is not hated in Corvallis. Most knew he really had no choice. Most are wishing him success. Wish he could stay, but that is just life.
he knew it was a crap decision, he will fail at msu because he has no connections
Spartan here - This is a great hire for the Spartans. Jonathan Smith is a winning coach and a coach who has proven he can turn around a FG program on the ropes. The PAC 12 has imploded as 4 teams head to the Big 10 (Big 18?) This will be the most competitive, the most watched and the most rewarding CFB conference in the future. At MSU Jonathan Smith will find NIL money, great support from alumni and a University with a positive FB history. Actually MSU in times past have won National Championships. I expect JS will be more supported, more resourced and THE challenge to become a great coach in the first SUPER CFB Conference. He has an edge competing against USC, UCLA, WA and OR Ducks - he has been there. Watch Jonathan Smith GROW as a coach and join MSU that can compete for a National Championship (which they did a half-dozen years ago). We ARE fortunate to have hired Coach Smith -- a SPARTANS’ WELCOME TO YOU! GO GREEN GO WHITE.
Dont blame oregon for the demise of the pac 12. Blame the shit on usc
Blame is on the past and present Pac 12 Leadership
WTH did you expect him to do? Stay on a sinking ship in a conference that is no longer. I love this hire. Great hire for Michigan State.
Why is this shocking since there are only 2 teams left in the PAC 12 starting next year can't blame him for leaving good luck OSU with trying to hire a high caliber coach.
Leaving before the season is over was really shitty of him.
As an Oregon State alum, this ripped my heart out. I'm not buying the you can't blame him mentality. I think the stand up thing to do would be to stick with them and get them through the challenge of overcoming what has happened to OSU. I always thought he was sincere when he said this was his dream job and was totally committed to us. He did not have to abandon us now as waiting for a couple years wouldn't have changed the fact that he is a great football coach and will always be in demand. So if things didn't work out for Oregon State and their future, he would still have no problem getting a good coaching job somewhere. Many of us here truly believed he was committed to seeing us through this.
Maybe he will one day come back to Oregon State as an end of career job after he got a ton of experience and help Oregon state make it big. Who knows what is in his mind. Maybe he will pull an Erickson move.
In college football, you are hot or you are not ... there is no in between. He had no choice but to hit while the iron was hot ... if players leave, it's very difficult even for the best of coaches (ask Billicheck), so as the loses start piling up, everyone would be looking for who is hot...
Feel bad for Oregon State but for Smith, its hard to recruit Power 5 caliber players if you're not in the P5 Schools anymore. I wanted the PAC 12 to stay together. I'm an alum of Washington State and we're in the same boat with the PAC 12 going away. Thought that with USC and UCLA leaving that the Conference would be able to hold together but obviously not. It makes a lot of sense (NOT) for Cal and Stanford to go to the ACC where typical air travel distances will be 2600-3000 miles with 1 day flight times (6-7-8 hours) as opposed to a couple of hours for most of the PAC 12. Now repeat after me: CAL & STANFORD ADMINISTRATIONS CARE DEEPLY ABOUT THEIR STUDENT ATHLETES!! Also, where will the ACC be if Clemson, Florida State, and Miami leave for SEC, etc.??
I think if those schools leave the ACC (I think the SEC and BIG take more than just them) then you could see the B12 poach a few from them like they did with the PAC
@@carsonc29 That's a great point with the Big 12 I hadn't thought about!! So if ACC dissolves and PAC 12 dissolves, we end up with the Power 3 Conferences.
@@neilopfer5687 possibly...some have suggested that if the ACC lost its top couple schools that theyd come after the B12 to fill in their gaps..but I think an ACC without its top4-5 schools wouldnt even be an enticing place to leave to..least not financially
The SEC isn't interested in Clemson, Fla St or Miami. ( they approched the SEC and we're told "not at this time")
Texas & OU join next season making it a 16 team conference, and I'm sure some rivalry games may be lost to this addition.
I don't like what college football is becoming myself, and what's happening to O.St is terrible IMO.
Pretty good summary. I am a Spartan and loyalty means a ton, which bothered me about Smith. But then thinking about the terrible predicament the Beavs are in, I could understand this. If this wasn't a factor, I'd have a big red flag in my mind. It had to be hard for Smith to leave, but was nearly impossible to stay. I feel bad for Osu's situation. Really wish the BiG Ten/PAC 12/Rose Bowl connection would have gone on for another century, But as they say, all good things must come to an end. Once the Rose Bowl entered the fray, the fate of college football was sealed.
I completetly agree on the conference realignment opinion. Realignment is stupid and will ruin college football.
Really? Cause it hasn't before. Conference realignment has always happened. And college football is still here.
@@kyletucker3811 conference realignment has never been this crazy I mean bro oregon and ucla are going to be playing big ten teams next year. While conference realignment happened before, it has always made geographical sense, now smu and Stanford are in the acc and usc is in the big ten 😂
@@kyletucker3811 also the fact that we have super conferences is going to make the conference championship not mean that much
While I understand the likely reasoning for Jonathan Smith leaving for Michigan State, it doesn't mean it wasn't a low blow or sucks. Its partially on him and mostly on the current annoying state of college football alignment, what do you guys think?
Now you know how WVU felt when Rich Rodriguez left for michigan
You still think JJ McCarthy is overrated after beating Ohio State for the third consecutive time?
@@bluthgold533Yes. Did you SEE his stats?
Honestly, I think you are being a bit too precious about the realignment. This happens historically. It's not new.
And it's far from a silly matter. Larry Scott well and truly ran the conference into the ground. And a number of Pac-12 presidents (among them, OSU) supported him. He signed a terrible TV deal, the Pac-12 network was a terrible idea, Pac-12 after dark was fun but ultimately left teams out west in a terrible position for the CFP. Then USC and UCLA left, and four of the remaining teams got greedy (including WSU) and wanted 50 million a team on the deal. This left big programs like Oregon and Washington hanging in the wind, and college presidents despise that. They want things planned several years out. So, having options, they took them, and that led others to taking their options.
Sad as it is, in the end, OSU and WSU had more of a hand in their current situations than a lot of the departing teams. Namely, Oregon, who I've seen Beaver fans try to blame for this.
@@bluthgold533 absolutley
I’ve felt bad for Oregon state fans ever since the conference realignment news came out but as an msu fan I think he’ll be good for us
College football nowadays, there are no such thing as loyalty. It's every players, every players, and every teams for themselves. Only one that still have loyalty are the fans for their team
I dont blame him for leaving i do blame him for the way in which he went about it. He checked out before some of our biggest games and sabotaged the civil war. Im rooting against him going forward.
Conf. Realignment, Coaching changes, Player recruitment, TV appearances, Bowl games... One simple answer to each..... $ $ $ $ $
Thank you for this video. It’s been a tough day being a beaver.
Is he suppose to just die with the program? What do you guys expect, he’s got a family he’s providing for
I don’t understand how USC, UCLA, Oregon and the rest of the pac 12 could not coalesce to create excitement and the revenue stream they want. I guess CA is just a complete mess. And didn’t CA pass a state law their state employees, which would include the coaches, could not go to some of the BIG 10 states and conduct state business? It’s terrible what they will do to these kids. The travel is not feasable. why even require class for the athletes?
Do you think you could do a video on how Northwestern’s interim head coach led them from 1-11 to making a bowl game? I’m a Northwestern fan
I get it, can't really blame him with Pac12 being a complete dumpster fire. Still, bad weekend for Beavers... but the grass ain't always greener elsewhere.
right..he'll make more $$, but MSU expect to be on the same level as OSU and Alabama..and thats never been them...he can win 8 games a year or Oregon st and never have to worry about his job..let him do that at MSU (especially if he cant beat Michigan or Ohio st) and he'll be on the hot seat every season
Smith will be in the same predicament at MSU that he was at OSU as far being competitive and recruiting. With teams like Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State and Iowa…then you add USC, UW, etc. It’s gonna even be harder cuz the Big Ten is way more competitive
than the weak PAC 12 has been for many years…but ya gotta go where the money is right
Weak Pac12? The B1G has had 8 shit teams yearly since the 70's.
@@swid2153 yes …when is the last time a pac-12 team won the national championship in foootball…? …
go and look it up …and I’m a pac -12 fan ….I’m just a realist …Oregon state won baseball in 2018 I think…but what has the pac-12
won in the big 3 men’s sports besides that …I know ucla or AZ may have a basketball championship in the 90’s but cmon be true
to yourself…
Not only its sad for football, it will impact other sports. Not sure how the Beaver baseball program would do with that conference realignment. They are one of the best baseball programs out west at time hosting regionals plus they recently won national titles in Omaha.
They don't care about any of the other sports, Football is the big $$$$ maker for colleges. Totally out of balance with the NIL shit and the portal.....Greed.
Oregon state student and athlete alumni as well as from
corvallis. Its not that he left for a better program. We are use to it. Its HOW he left. The DAY BeFOre the Civil War we tells the team?! Really?! The players were gutted and have attested to how betrayed they felt going into the game. Then days later at the MSU press conference states how he "values in state rivalries and how important and meaningful they are". Guys a snake and cant be trusted.
Oregon State doesn't have a conference. He had no choice unless he wanted to get demoted to the Mountain West.
Washington State will lose Cameron Ward to the transfer portal as they aren't capable of paying the NIL. These smaller programs are like the farm systems for the bigger programs now.
Michigan State has SIX national titles in football, in the B1G conference, huge alumni base, wonderful campus, and just a better all around program. Also, the cash and name brand helps.
hate to be that guy, but their last national championship was nearly 60 years ago. Hardly relevant in the modern day. That’s like stating Harvard’s an elite program because they have national championships in the early 1920s. In the last 20 years, MSU has been a relatively average to slightly above average program. What they do have, that OSU doesn’t, is a conference and stable leadership. Can’t say I blame Smith for leaving for that, even if he did stab his Alma mater in the back
Did I miss the part where Oregon state knows what they are doing next year and more going forward?
😂😂😂😂😂 hey princess we all thought you were dead. We thought you had a heart attack or committed suicide since OREGON JOINED THE BIG10. How do you like our Ducks getting closer to winning it all. We all know how bitter your are. Did you watched any of the game? I know you didn’t but maybe you took a pick or check the scoreboard evry time OREGON plays. 😂😂😂😂😂
What playing wsu every week the mountain West hasn't even committed yet what is OSU going to do if the mountain West bulks and says no thanks
@@YoshiYosheda honestly, if OSU and WSU ask the MWC for membership, they arent gonna say no...OSU and WSU are former P5 schools with P5 facilites..the MWC would be in no position to say no to that..having them will make their brand a little better and might even increase their TV payout..not by much, but 7-10 million per school is better than the 4 million they pay out now..now I could see the MWC make it very hard for its members to leave for the PAC if OSU and WSU wanted to rebuild the PAC
l hate how he kept Aidan out of both of the last 2 games because he is stupid 🙄 and selfish because he told Aidan that he would bring him with him to Mich...Traitor...and dis-loyalty is rewarded theses days...
OSU program: Well…we can go back to running the triple option…
Ducks fan here. I honestly feel bad for the beavs.
How is it horrible? He put in his time, Oregon St doesn’t have a home next year and I’ll bet MSU offered him over 2x what he was making.
The fact he left sucks for us die-hard Beavs, but understandable given the conference limbo. The way he left is what sucks... he had been taking with MSU for almost half the season and made some very questionable coaching decisions. The fake field goal from the 29 with 2 seconds left in the half, where the kicker ran the ball, cost the game at Arizona is just the most glaring example. He was dishonest with players (see Damian Martinez's thoughts) and many saw the writing on the wall before the Oregon game. Smith's was distracted, and his coaching showed that. Good luck, MSU. JS is a SoCal native, will get you to a bowl then bolt to USC or UCLA...
Wrong about the BIG being better than the PAC......for this year. The BIG is top heavy, the P12 had far more good teams IMHO
My conspiracy theory is that the big schools will either break away from the ncaa within the next 10yrs. Or they'll relegate the smaller schools within the power conferences, leaving only themselves. That means, bye bye Vandy, Northwestern, and many others. If they do break away, I cam see the rest of college football going back to a more regional model.
foregone conclusion when Oregon State got left behind in conference realignment because they dont prioritize athletics. Michigan State is a good landing spot for him and I wish him well.
Left behind? What is your AD getting paid for. Smith figured it out..why didn't the lousy AD
Oregon State doesn’t have a full schedule next year. That’s impossible to recruit to.
I feel bad for OSU fans, but it is what it is.
they'll have a full schedule, it just wont be conference related..they'll have to schedule like an independent
Awwww, Little Brother has a new leader. How cute, a Beaver Leader. Is he coming too or was that just Tuck? Well, at least he will still be able to lose to the Ducks. Welcome to the B1G
With 9 shit teams in the B1G this isn't a win for anyone on the west coast. Garbage confrence..
I am a husky and really like Jonathon Smith. There is something about him that is old school. I feel bad for OSU and even WSU. Really sad for OSU and do understand why JS left but OSU was really up and coming program which is nice to see that is not all about UofO anymore at least in Oregon. Hope they find a good home OSU and hope UW pummels MSU when we play them but will likely see MSU become more competitive with OSU and Michigan as I think he is likeable and recruiting will be done well and he is a good coach as well.
😂 hey I don't blame him on this one. 🤷♂️. The Pac-12 is all but dissolved and there's a lot of uncertainty /ambiguity going forward.
As an msu fan I’m so disappointed in this hire. I give him three years msu and gonna do shit with him🤦♂️
Conference realignment will objectively line the pockets of many smaller programs, not just the titans of sports. This is because of a little something called collective bargaining, where the most schools bargain together with tv networks, the more money the deals will be worth, and these deals are almost always split evenly, so despite how you feel, Illinois and Wisconsins will see as much extra money from the new schools coming to the Big 10 as Ohio State and Michigan will
I guess money 💰 talks more than loyalty to OSU Beav's! He will have a hard time making it in the b10 especially the additional 4-ex Pac12 schools 🏫 to the b10 recruiting will be even more difficult!
Don’t get why this is horrible. He was, literally, the last guy in the house before turning the lights out. You wanted him to get excited about playing that MWC schedule next year? What is horrible is how the PAC12, with history and weather on its side, played the Big Boy business of collegiate sports like a 2 year old.
As a OSU alum who also attended MSU. I think it’s a good news bad news situation. This will leave OSU in an extremely difficult situation regarding trying to hire a new head coach. The true blame for this goes to conference realignment and big television money.
I am a Beavs fan and can't blame him (although given how they performed in the Civil War, he could've timed it better). Conference realignment (and to a lesser extent, the portal and NIL) are destroying the spirit and tradition of CFB in favor of a short term cash grab.
I’m an Oregon state fan, and student, and I’m not even mad at Jonathan Smith. Yes, it sucks for our program that was already doomed from conference realignment. But I know almost ANYONE in his position would have done the same thing, including myself. I’m rooting for him and I’ll be rooting for Michigan State for years to come. What I’m most angered about are the toxic duck fans that are celebrating the downfall of a program they have so much history with. I can’t stand the ducks, but I would never wish what’s happening to OSU to happen to them
YOU can't blame JS, his conference is folding and his future was hanging on the future of OSU, I was surprised but then again, not, he has an opportunity to advance his career, he may have some of his guys follow him to MSU, via the transfer portal.
Holy shit, I haven't looked at your subs in a while. Nice man. Am I crazy or were you only at like 15k last year?
He just really likes being in the same conference as Oregon
As a Beaver fan, this is such a huge gut punch. College football is dead to me.
PAC 12 collapsed and Oregon State was completely ill prepared. MSU also paid him more so it’s definitely understandable.
MSU fan here. All's fair in love war and business. He's taking care of his family first and foremost,and going to a place where he can realize goals. Glad we have him after
Huck left in disgrace.
true. I guess the millions of dollars he was making in Corvallis wasn’t enough to “take care of his family”
Well, at the moment at least, it's still a free country.
I'm expecting Dickert to do the same at WSU. Feeling for our friends to the south. You guys deserved better than this.
The recent realignment is indeed sickening. Although I'm an UW fan and alumni, I still feel it is sick what has happen with the PAC12 , OSU and WSU. How can these 2 schools recruit and retain elite athletes with this turmoil? There are only 2 'conferences' in college football...the ESPN and the Fox conferences. They both control what teams get into what conferences. There is plenty of blame to go around as to why. The PAC12, NCAA, B10, B12, ACC and all of the schools' leadership are all culpable. it all about the money. I do think you are right about Smith's future at OSU. He had a chance for football program immortality if he would have stayed on.
I am an OSU alumni. I used to have season tickets, but during the Gary Anderson debacle I gave them up. I have been a fan through television only. When NIL was first "legalized" I predicted at some point we will be down to just 40 or so college football teams. OSU and WSU will now be on a downward spiral for the forseeable future. The PAC12 imploded because of the failed PAC12 network and because the CFP ignored the conference. Now the ACC is the CFP stepchild- it will began to implode over the next few seasons. The rich will get richer and the less well financed programs will be losers. NIL and the transfer portal foster greed- something that will drive fan bases away from supporting these programs.
JS thank you for building the Beavers, it was fund seeing the team improve every year, and made us relevant the last couple of years! However, I can't be happy about him leaving, and I can't see myself pulling for him at MST, hope he is average winning there!
I'm a MSU fan. I love the hire. They've been talking about it for a few weeks now.
so..if the big 10 is so superb...how did Washington stat 9:24 e beat them ???🤔
I’m a Msu fan, sorry to all the beavers out there. A lot of msu fans had adopted you guys as our team, we can relate to the underdog in state school. Coach Smith seems like a great hire. Blame greed for all this.
What topic should I cover next?
The down fall of Marshall football. MIZ
OSU loss to Michigan
Which school has the most money? Iowa State or Oregon State.
The downfall of IU football and Tom Allen.
@@sc964 5-6 is a downfall?
Being an alum and fan of the Beavers this loss of Smith sucks. I agree with all the reasons you stated for Smith's decision. The biggest mistake he did is telling the team before the game with the Ducks. Deflate the ballon as you leave!
With all the realignment uncertainity, this really digs a deep hole for the beavers to dig out of.
As an MSU fan, I remember Nick Sabin telling the MSU faithful that he wasnt going anywhere, only to have a picture on the front page of the local paper showing him walking out the door the next day. It sucks, but it is part of the business.
Jonathan Smith left OSU because of whomever it is (regents/President) that should be taking care of business with the current conference alignment...and the Pac 12 which was clueless as to what was happening in college football. Yes, it probably was a very tough choice for him...but one that shouldn't be difficult understand.
As a Michigan State fan we understand. Cough cough…Nick Saban.
as an oregon duck alum i cried when chip kelly walked on the ducks and i feel the same way for osu with smith. may smith have a short stay and out on his ass at msu, as did kelly in the pros. what has to hurt doubly is smith was a beaver alumni. talk about being true to your school....NOT. condolences go out to the beavers.