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Not the only double-engine loss, but it’s the first I’ve heard of one with survivors. Also, not surprised they landed at high speed - engines departing the wing can damage the wing leading edge, raising the stall speed in addition to damaging slats.
A captain who was an ex-fighter pilot with 26000 flight hours and a first officer with 14000 flight hours - the engineer's details I didn't catch but seemed on the ball. They seemed just the people you wanted as crew in this situation. Nice work from this crew. Freight crews seem to get "old nails" to fly and fly them well they do.
I think this accident highlights the benefit of having a third brain in the cockpit. The flight engineer was the one who thought to dump for maneuverability. When the crews get task saturated, it's super helpful to have a knowledgeable third without a yoke.
For anyone wondering, Air Crash Investigation did an episode on this accident and interviewed the FO, which they also show the actual picture he took of the engine-less wing.
Dang, it's almost a repeat of El Al 1862. In both cases 1) Pylon of №3 engine has failed because of fatigue cracks 2) Engine №3 struck №4, ripped it off, which damaged the right wing 3) Both handled it at high speed, but when they slowed down, problems started progressing. The only difference is the flight 671 had time. El Al 1862 wasn't that lucky. Oh, and 4) Both happened in 1992.
@@hylkewesterhuis9667 Hello Hylke. I can imagine your memories are vivid. I did not know about the accident at the time it occurred, but whenever I hear "Schiphol" it immediately comes to mind. I hope that the accident did not impact you or those close to you.
Add to these two cases, on December 29, 1991, the crash of China Airlines, flight 358 : another 747-200F that suffered the exact same double engine failure, also on the right wing, that the EL AL 1862 experienced. And its fate was the same, the Boeing crashed on a hill and all its 5 crews perished. The main difference being, there was no fatalities on the ground. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Airlines_Flight_358
Your comment is visible to me even as the first words of the voiceover ring out: “In disguise over...” is what I think I hear, but realise that the speaker has difficulty with “the” and is actually saying, “In the skies over...” so it’s not in false flag livery 😂... I can carry on disabused of that misconception!
Saudades. Mas eu não lembro todos os palavras but I flew them LHRGRU. I never had a bad flight with them. Unlike TAP that sent me to a hotel near GRU to eat and rest (come back at 2am, we'll have a replacement plane for 3am) only to find that the replacement flight had already left at 1am. They forgot 🙄. Gave me another 24 hours in wonderful Brasil, but I was stuck at the airport.
What is left of Varig is now GOL Aéreos, who owns the name Varig after the original company was split in two in 2001. The first airline that was known as "the old Varig" was short-lived, so GOL took over.
Really well done episode. It seems like the pylons are a weak spot for the 707. I recall watching a video on an early test flight where pilots pushed the plane hard with extreme left right rolls that literally tore off 3 of the 4 engines due to sheering forces from the maneuvers. Amazingly, they got that plane down safely with the remaining engine.
in 1959 - during an acceptance flight of a 707 for Braniff - the plane crashed after performing dutch rolls to angles beyond engineering limits - the 4 men in the cockpit died - 4 others crouched near the tail and survived - here's a video of that incident ua-cam.com/video/B5FlgQjUuuA/v-deo.html
The Braniff training flight did not get back safely. The Boeing instructor pilot initiated a far more aggressive dutch roll than Boeing training allowed. The Braniff captain, with no jet experience, made a wrong recovery input & the aircraft made a violent roll which ripped off 3 engines & left the 4th hanging at an odd angle, only partially attached. The training captain attempted a landing in a forest clearing, but came up short, crash landing in a river. The four persons in the cockpit all died, but 4 who had evacuated to the rear cabin survived. This was in Oct 1959, at the dawn of the jet age.
I feel like without the great performance of the crew this would have been a disaster... luck probably always plays a role, but we really can't call this crew "lucky" seing how engine 3 ripped off engine number 4... Great coverage, as usual :)
Growing up a couple of miles from London Heathrow, the 707 is my least favourite aircraft of all time. Those low bypass engines made conversation impossible, even shouting.
What a Hollywood situation. You can't make this up. I am no expert just an aviation geek but i think the fact that these three men were in the cockpit that day, saved their lifes. That skill and teamwork is out of this world. Thanks again for this professional and detailed insight!
I can remember reading about this in a aviation magazine nearly 30 years ago, and only a couple of years ago was I able to find the accident report and this is the first time I have seen a documentary about it. I seem to remember that the crew joined the military crews for a meal, where the military pilots said they would have bailed out, the reply was, "we would have done if we could have".. I think one of the pilots never flew again ?...
I couldn’t imagine what it must have been like seeing that 707 coming in on final with a wing engulfed in flames. The fire crews earned their pay that day.
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I read about this in a magazine soon after it happened and was astounded, that ‘version’ of the story had the plane overloaded with mining equipment and struggling to get over the alps with the detached engines being found embedded in snow capped mountains , oh and the military airfield initially denied landing permission. So good to hear the correct and un-embellished version of a story which certainly needed no sensationalism attached to it. As always, thank you for your splendid production.
It reminds me of El-Al flight 1862, which happened half a year later over Amsterdam. Here also an inner engine fell of and took the outer engine with it. Unfortunatly they couldn't bring their plane, safely back to the ground and crashed into an apartment building. Killing all four people onboard, as well as 39 residents.
It was a transport jet with only the flight crew on board. Sadly most of the deaths were people that lived in Apartment building. I believe the pilot decided to return to airport after the engine detachment from the wing
That crash was so devestating. A more uplifting example is a KC-135E, call sign "Whale 05", 58-0013 that had 2 engines separate during the Persian Gulf War. They landed successfully. There's an episode of ACI about it.
amazing story. as you said if the fire have started earlier they probably would've lost control of the wing. The plane would've banked just before touching down the runway. Excellent review as always thank you
My biggest fear would be to die in a planecrash. But i love these types of disaster/survival stories. Must be the biggest thrill and scariest thing at the same time.
Excellent video, content and explanation 👌 👏 👍 Thank God everyone survived! A miracle took place I would say. The teamwork of the crew combined with outstanding piloting skills saved the aircraft plus some luck of course. They reacted fast and just in time with correct actions. Been working with engine's frames and the frames are notorious difficult to perform fatigue calculations on, with large amount of tedious iterations (loops).
Skill, luck, AND amazing work by the engineers at Boeing to design a plane that can loose two of it's engines in flight, spilling fuel with sparking wires, and still come to a safe landing
A plane designed at a time when, "If it ain't Boeing I ain't going!" was in living memory. When SEA-TAC was just an airport not an incorporated city and Boeing was a Seattle company. The Queen of the Skies the 747 is the queen of my heart, but the 707 was the first True King !:-) 💜🙏⚡️
@@jaybee9269 ALL engines will fall off eventually if the scheduled inspections and maintenance isn't performed, metal fatigue CANNOT be eliminated. That's not at all a fault of the plane
This was an overlap of both seasoned skill, excellent CRM, quick thinking and then, pure luck finding the military airport so soon into the descent. This may have ended quite differently if either the skill of the crew or the luck finding the airport were removed. The quick landing appears to be the saving grace in the end, but it would never have been possible without the crew's decisive actions. Excellent video. These lesser-known incidents are very informative.
Great story, and without a doubt they had luck as well as skill to deal with it. On 00:26 “Will they make it back to the ground?” Yes they will. Question is how.
Wonderful, wonderful video..... the calm tone and precision, light Swiss German-inflected rhythmic lilt to the English narration just absolutely makes it, as always! This is someone you could trust personally and professionally 😀 It was clearly very much a combination of luck and skill - clearly, the crew had no control over when the wing burst into flames but with the very adverse handling characteristics induced by the loss of the engines, later fire and various electrical and hydraulic issues, they did a magnificent job. And perhaps as someone here speculated, the presence of a flight engineer contributed...
Troubleshooting exotic failures is not much of a skill builder because it happens so infrequently. But with both pilot's long experience they were up to the job in this case. A bit of luck finding a place to land quickly also helped get a good outcome. 🥴
An efficient and lucky crew indeed. Similar loss of engines took place on a 747 after take off from Amsterdam but pilots lost control and crashed into a residential building.
Skill or luck? Both. Lucky enough to have had the fire for 2 mn flight only but also they had the chance to land on RWY15 in Istres. I've been flying there when I was a (helicopter) Experimental Test Pilot and there are 300 days per year of wind in this area, 90% of the time north wind and half of this time quite strong north wind (30 to 50 kts, called Mistral). Should the wind have been 30 kts north, they would probably have tried to land on RWY33 and they would not have made it ... The rest is skill and a very good job from all crew members. Hats off! They deserved their awards.
Right💯 As we all know the flight 671 is the best example of it. Where the engine seperation took placed on the right wing but the pilot landed the aircraft safe and sound. 🙌🏻. Respect 🫡
In February of 1991 an E-model KC-135 flying out of Jeddah Saudi Arabia for an Operation Desert Storm mission had something very similar happen. They lost engines 1 and 2. The E-model KC-135s had 707 engines and struts.
Nobody died above or below amazing. But once again we see an incredible example of a Scandinavian pilot and top end FO and engineer doing the best in a near impossible situation. ( SAS Flight 751).
Luck does exist in my opinion. Like if a robber is trying to carjack you, you refuse, (the car engine isn't even on so you can't floor it, run them over, or reverse), they pull the trigger on their loaded gun and it jams, I'd consider that good luck assuming you are able to get away/aren't beat down.
Tell that to the pilots of El Al 1862, who had an almost similar situation, but the wing damage was much more severe, and they didn't have much chance.
I totally agree with you! It was pure skill. They had no luck! In fact, what they had was bad luck by loosing an engine AND having it hitting another one!
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I am no expert but I can think of two incidents where the 707 either disinterested in turbulence one in Japan over Mount Fuji lost two engines over London now this.
Was it also possible that the lower oxygen content of the air at altitude helped suppress the fire? The lower they got, the more oxygen was available...
Great Video with one caveat: You cannot see the engines, or indeed the wings, from the cockpit of a 707. The FE would have had to step back into the cabin.
watched the ACI episode of this flight, great team work from the crew and a bit of luck saved them I feel though luck played a bad part, had engine 3 not hit engine 4, the plane would have been much easier to fly
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I wonder if it was and is possible to extend flaps at the correct speed when engine thrust is lost, or engine(s) are no longer connected to the wing? Wouldn't that help keep the airplane from veering too much?
Had the engines ripped of the slats and thus damage the hydraulic system on that wing, the pilots would not have been able to extend the flaps on that wing and would have crashed, making it an exact carbon copy of the ELAL 747 crash in Amsterdam later that year. These pilots were lucky.
Jettison engines for improved fuel efficiency My guess the conversation went this way Well sir got good news and bad news .. Captain : whats the good news ? We still have two engines left..
just because Luck was a factor, does that mean that they didn't have an awful lot of skill? no. They were skilled enough to do everything correctly, but lucky enough for e.g. the fire only starting shortly before landing. Because if your plane has a missing wing, no skill in the world will keep that thing in the air.
Why not just use 5 engine mounting points, so if one breaks, it doesn't fall off? Airplanes really should have redundancy and it seems weird to me that you'd mount an engine with 4 points, all of them critical (and thus, if any one failed, losing the engine) when you could just add another...
@@bobvicki That's irrelevant - this wasn't a case of overloading, but of fatigue-induced failure. My point is why design it so a single failure causes the engine to fall off? Use 5 points, so a fatigue failure wouldn't cause the engine to fall off. Get it?
@@isbestlizard Well, aircraft designers don't agree with you. Later designs have 3 mounting points, 2 front & one rear, all shear bolts designed to fail with an overload. The key to this is proper maintenance...regular checks for corrosion or fatigue with replacement at specified intervals. The aircraft in this incident was old with a rather checkered past & obviously substandard maintenance.
@@AirspaceVideos >> It looks pretty off, just saying. The vertical stabilizer is too large and the engines aren’t quite right either. Good video though.
Very well presented and narrated,👌🏽🤍 And it is okay, that photograph taken by the F.O. does seem to be hard to find, as it might only be with the report by the relevant aviation authorities. . Hat's off to ALL five of the onboard personnel for keeping their head on the shoulders. . Sadly, for those sceptical or scared of flying... instances like over-automation of planes and software coding issues or designing issues or Issues like the 737 Max Or such seemingly 'lame' reasons like 'oops' we missed the correct procedure to maintain or to clean the aircraft (many examples of Pedo tubes being blocked) ...such things do not at all instill the faith in flying. . Good thing though that the instances of neglect or improper and inadequate procedures resulting in fatalities hasn't been too regular.
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"Was it skill or luck?"
Both.
I’m calling it highly skilled airmanship but luck always plays a part
Not the only double-engine loss, but it’s the first I’ve heard of one with survivors.
Also, not surprised they landed at high speed - engines departing the wing can damage the wing leading edge, raising the stall speed in addition to damaging slats.
A captain who was an ex-fighter pilot with 26000 flight hours and a first officer with 14000 flight hours - the engineer's details I didn't catch but seemed on the ball. They seemed just the people you wanted as crew in this situation. Nice work from this crew. Freight crews seem to get "old nails" to fly and fly them well they do.
I think this accident highlights the benefit of having a third brain in the cockpit. The flight engineer was the one who thought to dump for maneuverability. When the crews get task saturated, it's super helpful to have a knowledgeable third without a yoke.
I mean even without the engineer, Im sure the pilots would have dumped fuel anyway.
@@6z0 Probably, but maybe not as quick as they did. And it could have caused many more serve problems before it happened.
For anyone wondering, Air Crash Investigation did an episode on this accident and interviewed the FO, which they also show the actual picture he took of the engine-less wing.
Dang, it's almost a repeat of El Al 1862. In both cases
1) Pylon of №3 engine has failed because of fatigue cracks
2) Engine №3 struck №4, ripped it off, which damaged the right wing
3) Both handled it at high speed, but when they slowed down, problems started progressing. The only difference is the flight 671 had time. El Al 1862 wasn't that lucky.
Oh, and 4) Both happened in 1992.
Hi Vlad. Exactly. Very similar, almost identical. Also, both were cargo, although El Al was B747, and had a very sad ending.
@@roderickcampbell2105 Being 68y Dutchman, I remember the A'dam-Bijlmermeer-crash very well.
@@hylkewesterhuis9667 Hello Hylke. I can imagine your memories are vivid. I did not know about the accident at the time it occurred, but whenever I hear "Schiphol" it immediately comes to mind. I hope that the accident did not impact you or those close to you.
Add to these two cases, on December 29, 1991, the crash of China Airlines, flight 358 : another 747-200F that suffered the exact same double engine failure, also on the right wing, that the EL AL 1862 experienced. And its fate was the same, the Boeing crashed on a hill and all its 5 crews perished. The main difference being, there was no fatalities on the ground.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Airlines_Flight_358
@@julosx Thank you julosx. I didn't know about this one. Tragic, but at least those on the ground were spared. Checking on accident now. Thanks again.
The livery is from Varig! A great airline that sadly doesn't exist anymore
👍🏼🤍😔
Your comment is visible to me even as the first words of the voiceover ring out: “In disguise over...” is what I think I hear, but realise that the speaker has difficulty with “the” and is actually saying, “In the skies over...” so it’s not in false flag livery 😂... I can carry on disabused of that misconception!
Saudades. Mas eu não lembro todos os palavras but I flew them LHRGRU. I never had a bad flight with them. Unlike TAP that sent me to a hotel near GRU to eat and rest (come back at 2am, we'll have a replacement plane for 3am) only to find that the replacement flight had already left at 1am. They forgot 🙄. Gave me another 24 hours in wonderful Brasil, but I was stuck at the airport.
What is left of Varig is now GOL Aéreos, who owns the name Varig after the original company was split in two in 2001. The first airline that was known as "the old Varig" was short-lived, so GOL took over.
Great quality of videos, I watch all of them. You deserve way more subs.
thank you :)
Really well done episode. It seems like the pylons are a weak spot for the 707. I recall watching a video on an early test flight where pilots pushed the plane hard with extreme left right rolls that literally tore off 3 of the 4 engines due to sheering forces from the maneuvers. Amazingly, they got that plane down safely with the remaining engine.
oh wow, that's crazy! I'm alwaya amazed if planes with structural damage this severe are still able to make it back
@@AirspaceVideos agreed. That is where designers, engineers and those who assemble these planes really earn their money.
That was a Braniff or Lufthansa test flight. The braniff pilots had no jet experience and caused it through stupidity.
in 1959 - during an acceptance flight of a 707 for Braniff - the plane crashed after performing dutch rolls to angles beyond engineering limits - the 4 men in the cockpit died - 4 others crouched near the tail and survived - here's a video of that incident ua-cam.com/video/B5FlgQjUuuA/v-deo.html
The Braniff training flight did not get back safely. The Boeing instructor pilot initiated a far more aggressive dutch roll than Boeing training allowed. The Braniff captain, with no jet experience, made a wrong recovery input & the aircraft made a violent roll which ripped off 3 engines & left the 4th hanging at an odd angle, only partially attached. The training captain attempted a landing in a forest clearing, but came up short, crash landing in a river. The four persons in the cockpit all died, but 4 who had evacuated to the rear cabin survived. This was in Oct 1959, at the dawn of the jet age.
AMAZING VIDEO i have allmost seen all of ur vids and all of them are amazing 😍😍
thank you so much :)
Wow ! Thanks Airspace !
Boeing never got around to installing an engine quantity indicator on the flight engineer's panel. Pity.
😅😅
Ouch.
Indeed a amazing story, and brave pilots. And the painting of Varig airlines - witch my dad worked for 'bout 30 years !?
Welcome back! Your videos are always top quality and I get excited when theres a new one
thank you!
I feel like without the great performance of the crew this would have been a disaster... luck probably always plays a role, but we really can't call this crew "lucky" seing how engine 3 ripped off engine number 4... Great coverage, as usual :)
thank you, as always :)
First officer : we've lost 2 of our our engines
Flight engineer : ima shut them down
First officer : WE HAVE LOST OUR ENGINES
Never heard of this incident. Scary.
Great job as always telling the story.
This is ONE OF YOUR BEST. Keep the good work. In answer to your question, I believe it was skill, not luck that saved everyone aboard that plane.
thank you so much!
All of them did a great job to land it safely without getting confused. Good explanation again, captain!!
oh ive seen the image the co pilot took, it was in a documentary
really? Cool! if you find it somewhere, let me know
@@AirspaceVideos it was a air crash investigation one
@@AirspaceVideos season 22 episode 4
@@AirspaceVideos I found it!
@@AirspaceVideos 9:50 in you can see the photo
Growing up a couple of miles from London Heathrow, the 707 is my least favourite aircraft of all time. Those low bypass engines made conversation impossible, even shouting.
What a Hollywood situation. You can't make this up. I am no expert just an aviation geek but i think the fact that these three men were in the cockpit that day, saved their lifes. That skill and teamwork is out of this world. Thanks again for this professional and detailed insight!
It was most definitely both ,Good luck and a high level of skill that got the crew and plane back to earth safely .
Brilliant video!! Btw do u mind me asking which airline u work for ?
Thank you! Sorry, I won't disclose that :)
What an amazing story! This is one I had never heard of. Thanks for this video!!
I can remember reading about this in a aviation magazine nearly 30 years ago, and only a couple of years ago was I able to find the accident report and this is the first time I have seen a documentary about it. I seem to remember that the crew joined the military crews for a meal, where the military pilots said they would have bailed out, the reply was, "we would have done if we could have".. I think one of the pilots never flew again ?...
I couldn’t imagine what it must have been like seeing that 707 coming in on final with a wing engulfed in flames. The fire crews earned their pay that day.
One of four other 707 engine separations? That sounds like a lot. Wow. Excellent content, as always. Thank you!
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I read about this in a magazine soon after it happened and was astounded, that ‘version’ of the story had the plane overloaded with mining equipment and struggling to get over the alps with the detached engines being found embedded in snow capped mountains , oh and the military airfield initially denied landing permission. So good to hear the correct and un-embellished version of a story which certainly needed no sensationalism attached to it. As always, thank you for your splendid production.
5:54 They showed the image in the air crash investigations episode.
This was a very skilled CRM.
It reminds me of El-Al flight 1862, which happened half a year later over Amsterdam. Here also an inner engine fell of and took the outer engine with it. Unfortunatly they couldn't bring their plane, safely back to the ground and crashed into an apartment building. Killing all four people onboard, as well as 39 residents.
It was a transport jet with only the flight crew on board.
Sadly most of the deaths were people that lived in Apartment building.
I believe the pilot decided to return to airport after the engine detachment from the wing
...My thoughts exactly...
That crash was so devestating. A more uplifting example is a KC-135E, call sign "Whale 05", 58-0013 that had 2 engines separate during the Persian Gulf War. They landed successfully. There's an episode of ACI about it.
Great story and production! thankyou.
amazing story. as you said if the fire have started earlier they probably would've lost control of the wing. The plane would've banked just before touching down the runway. Excellent review as always thank you
Very well done again, thank you.
My biggest fear would be to die in a planecrash. But i love these types of disaster/survival stories. Must be the biggest thrill and scariest thing at the same time.
wow, I've never heard of this! Excellent video!
Excellent video, content and explanation 👌 👏 👍
Thank God everyone survived! A miracle took place I would say.
The teamwork of the crew combined with outstanding piloting skills saved the aircraft plus some luck of course. They reacted fast and just in time with correct actions.
Been working with engine's frames and the frames are notorious difficult to perform fatigue calculations on, with large amount of tedious iterations (loops).
Skill, luck, AND amazing work by the engineers at Boeing to design a plane that can loose two of it's engines in flight, spilling fuel with sparking wires, and still come to a safe landing
A plane designed at a time when, "If it ain't Boeing I ain't going!" was in living memory. When SEA-TAC was just an airport not an incorporated city and Boeing was a Seattle company. The Queen of the Skies the 747 is the queen of my heart, but the 707 was the first True King !:-)
💜🙏⚡️
Fair enough. T’would be better if the engines didn’t come off in the first place…707 was not over-engineered like the DC-8.
@@jaybee9269 ALL engines will fall off eventually if the scheduled inspections and maintenance isn't performed, metal fatigue CANNOT be eliminated. That's not at all a fault of the plane
This was an overlap of both seasoned skill, excellent CRM, quick thinking and then, pure luck finding the military airport so soon into the descent. This may have ended quite differently if either the skill of the crew or the luck finding the airport were removed. The quick landing appears to be the saving grace in the end, but it would never have been possible without the crew's decisive actions. Excellent video. These lesser-known incidents are very informative.
The photograph the co pilot took was actually used in the episode about the case on the show Mayday that aired earlier this year.
Why an amazing story; I’m so happy they all got off the plane safely!
The photo you talked about was shown in the Air Crash Investigation episode about this incident
Great story, and without a doubt they had luck as well as skill to deal with it.
On 00:26 “Will they make it back to the ground?”
Yes they will. Question is how.
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Oh, good, someone else said it already. Yes they will.
Great story, well told.
Wonderful, wonderful video..... the calm tone and precision, light Swiss German-inflected rhythmic lilt to the English narration just absolutely makes it, as always! This is someone you could trust personally and professionally 😀
It was clearly very much a combination of luck and skill - clearly, the crew had no control over when the wing burst into flames but with the very adverse handling characteristics induced by the loss of the engines, later fire and various electrical and hydraulic issues, they did a magnificent job. And perhaps as someone here speculated, the presence of a flight engineer contributed...
thank you so much :))
Troubleshooting exotic failures is not much of a skill builder because it happens so infrequently. But with both pilot's long experience they were up to the job in this case. A bit of luck finding a place to land quickly also helped get a good outcome. 🥴
Crew Resource Management before Crew Resource Management was a thing.
Those are some amazing pilots
An efficient and lucky crew indeed. Similar loss of engines took place on a 747 after take off from Amsterdam but pilots lost control and crashed into a residential building.
Skill or luck? Both. Lucky enough to have had the fire for 2 mn flight only but also they had the chance to land on RWY15 in Istres. I've been flying there when I was a (helicopter) Experimental Test Pilot and there are 300 days per year of wind in this area, 90% of the time north wind and half of this time quite strong north wind (30 to 50 kts, called Mistral). Should the wind have been 30 kts north, they would probably have tried to land on RWY33 and they would not have made it ...
The rest is skill and a very good job from all crew members. Hats off! They deserved their awards.
Right💯 As we all know the flight 671 is the best example of it. Where the engine seperation took placed on the right wing but the pilot landed the aircraft safe and sound. 🙌🏻. Respect 🫡
Damn that livery looks amazing man 😍
That is the livery of Varig, a great Brazilian intercontinental airline that doesn't exist anymore...
In February of 1991 an E-model KC-135 flying out of Jeddah Saudi Arabia for an Operation Desert Storm mission had something very similar happen. They lost engines 1 and 2. The E-model KC-135s had 707 engines and struts.
Nobody died above or below amazing. But once again we see an incredible example
of a Scandinavian pilot and top end FO and engineer doing the best in a near impossible situation.
( SAS Flight 751).
Great video!!!
Could you do one on Air india 101?
noted :)
@@AirspaceVideos :D
there is no such thing as luck.. that's some great piloting..!!
Luck does exist in my opinion. Like if a robber is trying to carjack you, you refuse, (the car engine isn't even on so you can't floor it, run them over, or reverse), they pull the trigger on their loaded gun and it jams, I'd consider that good luck assuming you are able to get away/aren't beat down.
@@John-Smith02 I'm just trying to give pilots as much credit as possible here
@@4NallaSuman ohhhh
Tell that to the pilots of El Al 1862, who had an almost similar situation, but the wing damage was much more severe, and they didn't have much chance.
I totally agree with you! It was pure skill. They had no luck! In fact, what they had was bad luck by loosing an engine AND having it hitting another one!
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What abt the financial positions of various airline's.
I am ur subscriber. This viedo is also good
Complete Skill!
Frequency and intensity of mechanical monitoring would be wise to step up in keeping with a machines age and wear.
Skill! Yay! Pilots who know how to fly!
If you do wanna see a photo of the missing engines, it appears in the Mayday episode “Double Trouble”
I am no expert but I can think of two incidents where the 707 either disinterested in turbulence one in Japan over Mount Fuji lost two engines over London now this.
The El Al 747 crash in Amsterdam had the same situation!
Was it also possible that the lower oxygen content of the air at altitude helped suppress the fire? The lower they got, the more oxygen was available...
I'm no expert by any means but I'd say both skill and luck were at play on this occasion. Unbelievable that they managed to get it down.
Great Video with one caveat: You cannot see the engines, or indeed the wings, from the cockpit of a 707. The FE would have had to step back into the cabin.
oh really? not even when leaning close to the window?
Skills for sure, but also good plane designing. Of course luck that engine didn't find itself in the overhead storage 😂.
watched the ACI episode of this flight, great team work from the crew and a bit of luck saved them I feel though luck played a bad part, had engine 3 not hit engine 4, the plane would have been much easier to fly
In aviation, skill and luck are bed partners.
2021 Piracicaba King Air Crash with King Air 250
Beechcraft B200GT King Air 250 crashed shortly after takeoff from Piracicaba Airport, Brazil. The aircraft was destroyed and all seven on board were killed.
"Will they make it back to the ground??" Gonna go out on a limb & say they'll make it back to the ground. Whether they survive is another story.
I wonder if it was and is possible to extend flaps at the correct speed when engine thrust is lost, or engine(s) are no longer connected to the wing? Wouldn't that help keep the airplane from veering too much?
Fortune favours the brave!
*bold. It has a more lyrical sound than brave.
"... slightly off to the left of runway centerline."
*lands slightly off to the right of runway centerline*
give me a break 😅
It’s reminds me EL AL flight 1862
Fortune favors the prepared mind. Louis Pasteur
Why is it in a Varig livery?
Had the engines ripped of the slats and thus damage the hydraulic system on that wing, the pilots would not have been able to extend the flaps on that wing and would have crashed, making it an exact carbon copy of the ELAL 747 crash in Amsterdam later that year. These pilots were lucky.
I think it did damage it, but luckily it was already on the ground when it was noticeable with the brakes.
Jettison engines for improved fuel efficiency
My guess the conversation went this way
Well sir got good news and bad news ..
Captain : whats the good news ?
We still have two engines left..
My wife thinks im bat-shit crazy because I like these videoes.
my wife thinks so because I make them 😉
Of course it was skill but they are lucky the fire didn’t start earlier.
This reminds me of the Desaster of Amsterdam but with a better outcome
I’ve seen before on another channel
just because Luck was a factor, does that mean that they didn't have an awful lot of skill? no. They were skilled enough to do everything correctly, but lucky enough for e.g. the fire only starting shortly before landing. Because if your plane has a missing wing, no skill in the world will keep that thing in the air.
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Dumb comment.
OF COURSE they make it "back to the ground" - the real question is "did they survive the landing".
So the plane had no livery?
Why not just use 5 engine mounting points, so if one breaks, it doesn't fall off? Airplanes really should have redundancy and it seems weird to me that you'd mount an engine with 4 points, all of them critical (and thus, if any one failed, losing the engine) when you could just add another...
The engines are mounted with shear bolts, designed to fail if overloaded. This protects the integrity of the wing.
@@bobvicki That's irrelevant - this wasn't a case of overloading, but of fatigue-induced failure. My point is why design it so a single failure causes the engine to fall off? Use 5 points, so a fatigue failure wouldn't cause the engine to fall off. Get it?
@@isbestlizard Well, aircraft designers don't agree with you. Later designs have 3 mounting points, 2 front & one rear, all shear bolts designed to fail with an overload. The key to this is proper maintenance...regular checks for corrosion or fatigue with replacement at specified intervals. The aircraft in this incident was old with a rather checkered past & obviously substandard maintenance.
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where did you get the 707?
converted from fsx
@@AirspaceVideos grazie
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@@AirspaceVideos >> It looks pretty off, just saying. The vertical stabilizer is too large and the engines aren’t quite right either. Good video though.
Very well presented and narrated,👌🏽🤍
And it is okay, that photograph taken by the F.O. does seem to be hard to find, as it might only be with the report by the relevant aviation authorities.
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Hat's off to ALL five of the onboard personnel for keeping their head on the shoulders.
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Sadly, for those sceptical or scared of flying... instances like over-automation of planes and software coding issues or designing issues or
Issues like the 737 Max
Or such seemingly 'lame' reasons like 'oops' we missed the correct procedure to maintain or to clean the aircraft (many examples of Pedo tubes being blocked)
...such things do not at all instill the faith in flying.
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Good thing though that the instances of neglect or improper and inadequate procedures resulting in fatalities hasn't been too regular.