I don't think Mick gets enough credit for the descriptions of these videos lol. Always very informative and complimentary to the video content, thanks for the effort you you put into it man. Also, planning to make a trip across the pond (from the US) to Europe soon, would love to grab some beers with you two and pick your brains for an evening if time permits. Cheers!
+David S Comparatively speaking, we do all live in one little rural village. Driving down the length of the country for us is akin to driving one side of a large city to the other in some parts of the States - the scales are quite dramatic, so wherever the lads are they won't seem 'that' far away. xD
@@Steve_9292 I don't know what constitutes a "long" drive for you guys over there, cause like in the States I'm in Oklahoma and to get to like, Colorado, It's a good 10+ hour drive, but that isn't that bad compared to like driving to California which would be like a 21 hour drive.
Well, considering GB is 838 miles by road from furthest tip to tip-that’s totally doable in a 12-13 hour drive. And trust me, here in Alaska I can drive from Fairbanks to Homer which takes about 12 hours and is almost the same distance. And that’s still in one state and not even to the border of Canada 😂
@@johnester8421 I'm in OKC... Moved here from Houston Texas. I could drive to Florida in less time than it takes to get to el passo. Oklahoma seems so much smaller to me than you I'm Guessing. On top of that, my wife is from Connecticut, which is barely bigger than the city of Houston. I would have to remind her that driving from one side of the city to the other is like driving across Connecticut.
mick: “which is why a tap tempo function of the delay is useful ‘cause you can just tap it in with your foot.” dan: “really handy.” ...actually, really footy.
This is incredible guys. Almost back to your roots in the informative “classroom”-like style, but in a way that perfectly blends where the show started with what it has become. This is the natural evolution of your show, and it’s magnificent. The genre of video you guys have created, built, and nurtured is very special, as evidenced by the massive fan base you now have. AKA 👍
Another magic show guys! We gotta get y'all some more subscribers! Just watched a video of a guy building a hut in the woods...all alone, primitive tools, no talking, but still had 3 million subscribers!!! What?! TPS deserves way more than that!
Awesome gents. Keep those great shows coming. Two ideas for future episodes: 1- Ear protection 2- In Ear Monitors Different topics but very important; especially the first one.
@@davelanciani-dimaensionx Although he's best known for different genres, Beethoven's hearing loss was due to extended practice time with a cranked Hiwatt.
I've been looking everywhere for something like this. Amazingly, there's no course or extended tutorials around this theme, it's really helped fill in the gaps. I really like the way you guys go a bit deeper on things, thanks for sharing your ideas and banter always entertaining!
The work you put into these shows really pays off - I know when you're inside something it never quite looks the same, but from this perspective you chaps have built something truly superb and endlessly enjoyable. Here's to a ear-ringing 2019!
I’m traveling right now, first trip to Europe, and, much to the annoyance of my significant other, still feel compelled to watch That Pedal Show. I can’t help it. I love this show! I can’t wait to get home and explore all these cool delay ideas.
Please, if anyone knows, what is the riff that he plays at 4:00 ? I have heard a similar one before and cannot recollect, and it is too short to shazam.
The extremely short delay time you did for the Cuts Like A Knife riff is just my favourite thing! Whenever I've been playing rhythm parts in a band, while the other guitar player is doing a solo, I just kick in the delay, and it almost works as a doubler or something similar. Really fattens up the tone! Love it!
If you do the Rats do not miss the Ananashead DS308. The circuit board is quite literally a part for part NOS replica of the fabled 'Big Box Rat'. Not only does it sound killer it is only $90.00 USD It is the Rat to die for. Killer!!!
My Favorite way to address #5 (change sound of Repeats) is with my Rubberneck by DOD - it has an FX loop - and the first thing I did when I got it was put a pitch shift effect in the loop...what a cool thing! Instant arpeggiator..Each repeat is one octave higher than the last, and it sounds so neat. I only got these pedals a week before CHristmas and I’ve been geeking out on the sound of it since. Also - My favorite thing to do with delay is take the ideas for #4, (use multiple delays) and I put them in different amps. You get a great spread of rhythmic sound. Awesome.
i saw a meme today that said Australians are just British Texans. I thought Dan might get a kick out of that. Great show guy's, love every episode. Cheers.
You had Matt Schofield on quite awhile back and he mentioned that he uses 2 delay pedals. The first (very short) to fatten his tone and the second for everything else. I decided I would go that way immediately. Excellent stuff!
Oops, Off topic. When you were saying last week how you don’t like Fender’s maple fingerboards Mick, it reminded me that you gave me pause for thought a couple of months ago. When Fender brought out their Player series earlier this year, the butterscotch Telecaster caught my eye, so I went to try one out and found it to be a canny buy except for the awful gloop on the fingerboard. However, remembering you said some while ago that you scraped the lacquer off your white maple Strat, I bit the bullet and bought it. Over the next four days, using scraper blades, I took the fretboard down to the wood then treated it with Tung oil. Honestly, the difference is amazing and even though it is a “budget” Fender, it feels and plays great. I can’t walk past it without picking it up for a plonk. Thanks for that Mick. TPS inspires in all different ways. Oh, and here's to a happy and successful Noo Year!
I've read that some people don't go that far, and just use steel wool as you would on rosewood, something you normally don't do on finish, to make it less sitcky. I personally love poly on everything though :)
@@davids9192 Cheers David. Disagree tho', it's the Maple that makes the difference, not the finish. I have had 3 rosewood Telecasters over the many years of my life and the two woods have totally different tonal characteristics, which is why I was tempted to check out the Player in the first place. This of course is only my view. Thanks for the comment though. Discussion is good.
Hey guys, man oh man my giddy aunt. I would like to say that was your best episode ever. I LeRnt so much about delay. May I also say to my ears you never make a bad episode. I support you in every way I can. I bought a t shirt, I am a patroone , I give what I can, to, hear magic every weak, and you say my name wrong I will support
Sorry for the lengthy blabbery of this but it's important (to me at least)..... It's the obvious honesty from you two that lets your passion show through and gives your show the credibility that makes it worthy and real. For people like me who have to be selective in what they watch due to time constraints it is fantastic to have a show to watch that I know will be worthy of making time to watch. I have been waiting for this show on using delays - thank you very much! I still am terrible at using most delays but I have been doing the very short delay thing to thicken things up for a while now and I almost couldn't be with out it anymore. This show has inspired me to try to use the short delay in combination with a longer delay - sounded great when you did it!
One big mistake I used to do is have the delays too loud. I learned later to turn them down. Also the first one is amazing advice. So definitely watching to the end.
9:18 - The best way to think about dotted 8th notes is to think of them as really fast triplets. I've been a classical musician for 15 years and the way we were taught to approach triplets were to say the word tri-pa-let with 3 corresponding notes (tri) When Dan taps out the dotted 8th note tempo subdivision on his legs, say "tri" (with a hit on the leg), "pa" (with the next hit on the leg), "let" (with the next hit on the leg), then repeat until Dan stops. So it will sound like "tri-pa-let tri-pa-let tri-pa-let tri-pa-let tri-pa-let" This will make it so much easier! Give it a try
They are 3/16 long but they are not triplets! Eighth note triplets last as four sixteenth notes, sixteenth note triplets as two sixteenths, dotted eight is right in the middle, and unlike the other two they fit on the sixteenth grid perfectly
Camelia is right, they are not triplets.... and there's a FAR easier way... in fact, Bo Diddley taught us how to play dotted 8ths in the 50's!! The first three notes of the Bo Diddley beat at any given tempo are actually dotted 8ths. Think of the Bo Diddley beat at your current tempo and tap them into your delay and Voila.... dotted 8ths every time!
Some pedals will have a "triplets" button that when engaged, gives you what sounds like dotted 8ths to me. Maybe that is the reason, they are confusing what sound like triplets with 3/16. Even David Gilmour still calls dotted 8th delays "triplet delays".
they certainly are not triplets. this adds to confusion. Your tap tempo or set delay tempo IS ALWAYS A QUATER NOTE, YOUR BASIC PULSE: ONE-e-&-ah, TWO-e-&-ah, THREE-e-&-ah, FOUR-e-&-ah, ... However, the delay echos will return at a frequency set by the subdivision. In case of dotted 8ths it's: ONE-e-&-AH, two-e-AND-ah, three-E-&-ah, FOUR-e-&-AH, ... returning on the ONE after three measures of 4/4.
@kimbiwa greetings! Depends on how you count. If yours are all sixteenths, then yes, you'll have a dotted eighth (one and two) followed by a sixteenth (one). But I'm no expert on counting notes in English, so double check that with Google
when you set the FTT to short delay (20-33 ms). That Tone was killer. what a lovely fattening agent! I am rewatching this entire episode with a pen and paper to make notes. Thanks Guys!
Lads. Love delays. Love TPS. Happy times. Dan just very briefly touched (33:54) on a very important use of the delay that is to color your sound. That deserves to have its own category (category number 11). You mentioned the Echorec, but what about the Korg SDD-3000. The SDD-3000 is an awesome pedal (that you should bring up one of these days) which is the favorite of such sonic masters as: The Edge, Daniel Lanois and Dan’s buddy, Mr. Ed O’Brien from Radiohead. It does an awesome delay and makes you sound better and cut through the mix. Keep up the great work and bring the SDD to the show one of these days.
Jesus that ending was epic. Can i just thank you guys, you inspired me to nab an old practice amp off my brother so i'm now running my own Wet/Dry setup in the comfort of my own home using 10 and 20 watt amps using the output split from my UX1 with the tone paths split left and right with the delay and modulation only going to a single amp and the sound that fills the room is immense. I can't stop giggling. hope you guys had a great Christmas and have a happy new year!
I first learned the dotted eighth tricks from the late great Bobbe Seymour. Pedal Steel player and Nashville record producer from the golden era of Country Music. Not sure if Albert Lee was doing it before the steel players or not. Albert was also a great innovator and has been around a longtime. In pedal steel we call that the 'two for one'. We set the repeats for just one repeat. The volume pedal has to be behind the delay because you have to kill the last repeat for your phrases to end right. Do it right while sitting at the steel people think you are a speed picking demon and you are playing relatively slow. LOL. Its pretty cool that in the states a lot of effect pedal developments guitarist use were actually introduced to Nashville by steel players.
I’m sure you guys are aware, but ChaseBliss Audio’s Thermae is a bucket brigade delay that changes delay time in a very controlled and manipulative manner in order to shift pitch! It also uses a resonant low pass filter in place of a repeats tone control, which can sound really cool!
OK. Now you're costing me money. I've just ordered another delay I can use on solos. That very short delay time thing is sooo coool! I ordered the new pedal as I kept listening to the show. Can't wait to see how it turns out! Thank you! Astoundingly useful information.
For “Where The Streets Have No Name” Edge has 2 SDD-3000’s going. One in 1/4 note mixed quite low with longer feedback. The other is dotted 1/8 mixed quite higher but with less feedback. The Diamond Counter Point Delay actually has a setting for this called “galloping eighths” I believe. Also worth noting, with 2 delays setup like Edge, the modulation sounds much bigger and wider even with depth and rate set relatively low due to the 2 delays interacting with each other.
I used to think you guys were "valve snobs" but it turns out I was wrong as evidenced by your new found respect for the JC40. I now realize that what inspires you guys is playing loud. So if it doesn't matter whether you're using a valve amp or a S/S amp as long as you're playing loudly, maybe the amp doesn't matter at all. It might be a worthwhile challenge then, to try to get your sounds while playing loudly through a PA without any amp at all. This is something I've been experimenting with lately using my pedals into an EQ into a cab simulator into a PA. It's been challenging and I'm not there yet but I've found it rewarding for the flexibility it offers.
Great thing about delay's is you can basically jam with yourself when using the longer delay settings...makes for some really creative and inspirational sessions! Thanks guys, another great show!
What I have found out by watching just a couple of your delay pedals videos is. That i have a Ferrari or Lamborghini of a Delay Pedal & basically I have been using it as idk let's say in America we have what we call a big wheel when we are children & are lucky enough to get one. Anyways I hope that this shows you just how much you guys have & are continuing to help me & many other's. To understand just the basics of what & how to actually use these "Golden Bricks" of effects pedals. I probably still don't have any idea what all this pedal can do, But thanks to you 2 guys I am committing myself to at least attempting to find out. So thank you both. What an amazing service you both are bringing to the masses. Oh BTW I am learning how to use the Reflecting Pool effects pedal by Fender.
Hi gentlemen. You know you're allowed to have a week off over the Christmas & New Year break. We won't think any less of you!!! Great to see a new video though. Run To You sounded shit hot!!! Happy new year!!
over 15,000 views so far means at least that many guitarists trying to end their gigs this weekend the way you guys closed this show out ;-) oscillation for a standing ovation lol. thanks for the tips guys, great show!
One of the best episodes ever. Love these "tips and tricks" videos; I personally find them more useful than the "compare all these high-end amps/pedals" vids. More please!
When Dan set the Free The Tone tempo to the delays of the Bellepoch It was like a light bulb moment. I reckon you could get a ton of really interesting tones from that sorta play between the pedals
This is a fantastic update to the previous episodes about delay. Funny timing since I have been watching those and debating on adding a second delay. Also I agree with the other commenters about doing this for other types of pedals like tremolo, phaser and chorus. Keep up the great content. Thank you guys.
Hello Guys! Thank you for bring delays to a practical context. I got a DD 500 boss, and pretty much most of all combinations you showed can be programed in all details. Nice show!
The short delay stuff is magic. I think it's worth understanding the Haas Effect - which you basically demonstrated very well. Delays shorter than about 32ms aren't perceived as seperate delays - they blend into the sound - but the brain still decodes it as spatial information. This happens in nature all the time - inside boxes and tubes - etc and our brains respond to this information. In stereo the Precdence effect comes into play - the brain thinks that the sound with the shorter delay is closer than the sound with the longer delay. A studio trick is to use Haas panning by using these short delays. There was a cool stereo delay box used the 70's and 80's on many mega classic records that literally used coiled up garden hose and transducers to create two very short delays - approx 11ms and 17ms panned LR. Digital delays took over to do the same thing - and tape delays were used before that. But the Cooper Time Cube was definately a big thing for while on major records.
Your classic phaser is a modulated short delay, so you'll be able to do some variations on what is in this video at the least. Depending on what phaser you have of course.
Please, if anyone knows, what is the riff that he plays at 4:00 ? I have heard a similar one before and cannot recollect, and it is too short to shazam.
Smash It Up! Pt 1...! Also two names that didn't come up that always make me think of creative uses of delays: Michael Brook (and of course) Vini Reilly. Cheers guys, another great episode.
Any video that features Dan and Mick getting to play modulated delay is going to be a winner in my book! Cheers and Happy New Year! I really have learned a lot from each of these videos and greatly appreciate the time and effort that you and your crew put into these episodes. Some folks had Cheers, others Seinfeld, me? I have That Pedal Show. Looking forward to an even better 2019.
Late to the comments, but this was a great episode. I immediately went and started playing with these techniques last night. Fun! Then today I thought "why not see what my chorus does as a 'slap back' delay?" Super cool! Thank you for teaching and inspiring. Good stuff.
Has to be one of the best editions , informative and nicely put together. Shoegaze heaven! Maybe take it to the next level with stacking 3 or more delay and reverb pedals.
This is great content! This type of show is perfect for what stage of player I am. I would love to have this type of instruction for each of the pedal families. It would also be extremely beneficial to have these listed under one library.
When Dan said "Belle Epoch", It sounded, to my ears, like he had a new delay pedal called the "Belly Flop". If I made pedals, I would not delay in getting started on the Belly Flop, version 1.
I picked up an Alter Ego X4 a while back and I loved the super short slapback/doubling effects but I couldn’t use it in conjunction with longer delays. Ended up adding a Flashback Mini loaded with Josh Smith’s “Double Slap” TonePrint and I basically leave this on all the time. It’s subtle, but I miss it when it’s not on. It adds a bit of space and you can feel the difference in your fingers. Plus it sounds MEGA (to borrow your term, Dan) combined with the Echorec longer delays in the X4. This show has really changed and refined my sound over time, and it’s given me countless hours of really inspired playing. Cheers, fellas! 🍻
Good morning gentlemen! I'll be off work soon, home for the weekend. I'll start it off with a great TPS and cocoa. I may even finish wiring in my pedal board. Lots of GigRig power distribution goodness! I remember falling in love with delay about 30 years ago. I was running sound for a pretty good local band. I saved up and bought a Peavey Mark IV 24 channel board and a Roland SDE-1000. I wore that thing out.
Great show as usual!!! Your pedalboard show with Matt Schofield in JUL 2017 was the first time I conceptualized use of the very short delay. He described it as "thickening" his tone if memory serves. Then he added a longer delay on top of it. At the time I only owned a carbon copy, I have since added a tape echo and am considering buying a belle epoch deluxe--down the rabbit hole we go. Thank you for expanding on that subject. Great tones and much food for thought.
Can't have too many delay sessions! Thanks yall! It's like something my parents should have taught, "son, always have at least 2 delay pedals, preferably one digital, and one analog"
Great video guys. I have begun going Wet/Dry and like to kill the uneffected signal in the wet delay setting. This gives me such a huge delay sound! I also have a patch on my DD-500 with a 45ms delay, 0% unaffected level, 100% effect level, and only one repeat. Turn this puppy on and you instantly have a huge sound. The first time I tried it in my band, it was as much as a perceived volume boost as stepping on an actual booster pedal, although my signal tehnically wasn’t even louder.
1. loved this video, very inspiring to tweak some more with my delays! 2. off topic question But i'd love your thoughts: The more i'm playing nowadays in different venues/environments. i'm experiencing more noise with my rig some some venues, and others not. Could you share some knowledge about do's and donts when setting up your rig at venues with the electrics etc. and also possibly an introduction to power conditioners/power surge protectors. what they do, if you use them, and what you should ideally look for. All the best! Connor.
Nice vid guys! To my ears the really short delay with gain is like double tracking gainy guitars to bring them out in a recording. Have a great new year!
Loving the constantly growing amp collection! I love the super short delay trick, especially in wet/dry! One of the coolest rock solo sounds I've ever heard or played.
Nice video. I agree that delay can be a pedal or effect that can be difficult to determine how to use it in various situations. I have played for 30 years and have two delays on my board, a TC Electronics and a Digitech PDS 2000. As i became a better player i used delay more. Getting the 1/8 note in sync with playing, on a slap back type, is a favorite and a tape echo mildly in the back, with a longer time between the pick and repeat, is also a favorite of mine. These are basic but friendly to many styles. I learned a few tricks from your teaching and will try to implement them in my play. It is a great thought provoking pedal when making your own music.
Great video, I’ll be rewatching it again once my new pedal comes in because as it so happens, I just bought my first delay! It’s a Strymon Time Line. Free the Tone just seemed too complex and exhausting to program. I was surprised when it made it’s way onto Mick’s board but alas, I felt a simpler route was necessary for me. You guys always have great videos and I wouldn’t know what to do without you.
New video idea!! As you mentioned, the 20-30ms delays in this video around the 19min mark inspire detuned sounds al la Eddie, Vai, and many others. I would be very interested in an episode discussing detuning, various setups, use of delay, pitch, other techniques. Perfect vid to bust out the JEM! Thanks guys.
I KNOW I shouldn't care that you guys like the JC40 so much... I should be fully grown up and comfortable in my own view that is it is awesome. Yet, I admit I am GLAD you guys (really) like it. You all said in a recent video that lots of the online reviews are designed to make you feel good good about something you already own... well I guess I am falling into that trap here. Still, I think for many of us out here in the world, you two serve as "opinion leaders," and I am sure that builders/makers and just users of all the stuff really like the validation when such thoughtful and serious guys as you like something.
You guys have made me do a complete 180 on delay. I never used to use or even like it, now it's one of my favorite effects and my most coveted effect I own is my Roland re-150 space echo. Now I want a T. rex replicator jr too
A beginners Guide To pedals would be great too im a novice and love your show and it would be great for Noobs like me to understand more Great Show Guys
Great episode ! As a delay addict, I really enjoyed that (I have an Eventide TimeFactor and L6 M5 on one board, a rotating cast of single delay pedals on the other). Couple of remarks: - a great counter-example of tape delays not being in sync with tempo is Blackmore's intro and main riff to Mistreated, he has the repeats set to 1/4 note (and pretty loud). Live, it's pretty obvious the whole band is playing to the tempo set on the Echoplex. Another example being Tommy Iommi on Heaven and Hell's solo, which has a similar thing (pretty loud 1/4 note repeats)...though by the time it might have been the MXR rack delays he's been using through the 80s and 90s; - the classic The Edge/Lanois delay thing actually is two delays, one set at 16th notes into another set at dotted 8th, it's very obvious on Pride (In The Name of Love) where you can hear the cascading delays. The interesting thing being, as is obvious on U2's live performances, the whole band is playing to the tempo set on the delays (you can hear the Edge hitting a muted note, then Larry Mullen Jr giving tempo on the hi-hat based on that); - an earlier example of dotted 8ths is David Gilmour using them all over The Wall (Another Brick In The Wall Pt1, Run Like Hell)...the panning delays on Another Brick In The Wall Pt1 sound incredible ! - the short delay/doubling trick works especially great in W/D, I remember John Petrucci demonstrating that on his instructional video back in the early 90s. Great alternative to doubling/micropitch effects (which are more of the same idea anyway).
I really enjoyed this one guys! There was a moment where you talked about ambient guitar and Dan demonstrated it a little bit. Have you thought about doing a show on ambient guitar techniques? It's a little daunting to get the right mixture of drones, swells, and volume.
This is one of my favourite of your recent videos. I've never really been much of a delay user but I'm inspired to go and play more with my Seymour Duncan Vapor Trails, especially the modulation on the tails! Thanks!
I believe they have in the past. I seem to remember them talking about issues they had fighting with the sound tech and organizers of one in London. [The boys were playing too loud, go figure!] I forget what vid that was mentioned in, probably a VCQ?
I don't think Mick gets enough credit for the descriptions of these videos lol. Always very informative and complimentary to the video content, thanks for the effort you you put into it man. Also, planning to make a trip across the pond (from the US) to Europe soon, would love to grab some beers with you two and pick your brains for an evening if time permits. Cheers!
Love it how our country cousins think we all live in one little rural village together. Just drop in for scones and tea....lol
+David S Comparatively speaking, we do all live in one little rural village. Driving down the length of the country for us is akin to driving one side of a large city to the other in some parts of the States - the scales are quite dramatic, so wherever the lads are they won't seem 'that' far away. xD
@@Steve_9292 I don't know what constitutes a "long" drive for you guys over there, cause like in the States I'm in Oklahoma and to get to like, Colorado, It's a good 10+ hour drive, but that isn't that bad compared to like driving to California which would be like a 21 hour drive.
Well, considering GB is 838 miles by road from furthest tip to tip-that’s totally doable in a 12-13 hour drive. And trust me, here in Alaska I can drive from Fairbanks to Homer which takes about 12 hours and is almost the same distance. And that’s still in one state and not even to the border of Canada 😂
@@johnester8421 I'm in OKC... Moved here from Houston Texas. I could drive to Florida in less time than it takes to get to el passo. Oklahoma seems so much smaller to me than you I'm Guessing. On top of that, my wife is from Connecticut, which is barely bigger than the city of Houston. I would have to remind her that driving from one side of the city to the other is like driving across Connecticut.
The “noise” at the end was one of my favorite sounds on the show. Why am I like this
To be fair, it was epic as fuck
Maaan. Now I gotta figure out how to justify a JC40 as my new “chorus” pedal. Y’all are brutal.
Yup this happened to me..
mick: “which is why a tap tempo function of the delay is useful ‘cause you can just tap it in with your foot.”
dan: “really handy.”
...actually, really footy.
This is incredible guys. Almost back to your roots in the informative “classroom”-like style, but in a way that perfectly blends where the show started with what it has become. This is the natural evolution of your show, and it’s magnificent. The genre of video you guys have created, built, and nurtured is very special, as evidenced by the massive fan base you now have.
AKA 👍
FANTASTIC fantastic fantastic episode! Sorry to repeat myself. ;-)
No modulation on those repeats? 😁
that's okay that's ok that's tha t
Another magic show guys! We gotta get y'all some more subscribers! Just watched a video of a guy building a hut in the woods...all alone, primitive tools, no talking, but still had 3 million subscribers!!! What?! TPS deserves way more than that!
Awesome gents. Keep those great shows coming.
Two ideas for future episodes:
1- Ear protection
2- In Ear Monitors
Different topics but very important; especially the first one.
Agreed. Long-time loud guitarists tend to destroy their hearing, like Paul Gilbert, Ted Nugent, Pete Townsend, etc.
@@davelanciani-dimaensionx Although he's best known for different genres, Beethoven's hearing loss was due to extended practice time with a cranked Hiwatt.
Mick and Dan work so well together their videos. So informative and to the point. Absolute pleasure to watch!!
I've been looking everywhere for something like this. Amazingly, there's no course or extended tutorials around this theme, it's really helped fill in the gaps. I really like the way you guys go a bit deeper on things, thanks for sharing your ideas and banter always entertaining!
The work you put into these shows really pays off - I know when you're inside something it never quite looks the same, but from this perspective you chaps have built something truly superb and endlessly enjoyable.
Here's to a ear-ringing 2019!
I’m traveling right now, first trip to Europe, and, much to the annoyance of my significant other, still feel compelled to watch That Pedal Show. I can’t help it. I love this show! I can’t wait to get home and explore all these cool delay ideas.
It’s episodes like this where Dan’s playing ability really shines through. Excellent and informative show lads!
Please, if anyone knows, what is the riff that he plays at 4:00 ? I have heard a similar one before and cannot recollect, and it is too short to shazam.
Troll gag I believe he is playing Run to you by Brian Adams
@@VeroniqueMystique Thank you kind ma'am. I appreciate it. It brought back so many memories that I cherish. Thank you.
You guys make the world a better place and man caves a paradise. Thank you.
17:15 the reason why I'm saving up for D&M pedal.
PS that was one of the best episodes ever. truly thank you.
Wow, for a show with delay................., you where right on time!!!!
Wish you the best for the new year in good health and fortune.
Cheers!!
The extremely short delay time you did for the Cuts Like A Knife riff is just my favourite thing! Whenever I've been playing rhythm parts in a band, while the other guitar player is doing a solo, I just kick in the delay, and it almost works as a doubler or something similar. Really fattens up the tone! Love it!
A show on the different Rats would be awesome, and also include alternatives like the T-Rex Mudhoney. Love the show!
If you do the Rats do not miss the Ananashead DS308. The circuit board is quite literally a part for part NOS replica of the fabled 'Big Box Rat'. Not only does it sound killer it is only $90.00 USD It is the Rat to die for. Killer!!!
🐀👍🏼 Rats indeed rule and have a lot of history! Chicago Stompworks Mr. Vermin is spot on to my whiteface 94'....
and the 1981!
What perfect timing for this video!! I just got a Walrus Audio ARP-87 for Christmas! Also, awesome vid as always guys, cheers 👍
9legolas7 what’s the thoughts on arp? Compared to any previous delay pedals you used
My Favorite way to address #5 (change sound of Repeats) is with my Rubberneck by DOD - it has an FX loop - and the first thing I did when I got it was put a pitch shift effect in the loop...what a cool thing! Instant arpeggiator..Each repeat is one octave higher than the last, and it sounds so neat. I only got these pedals a week before CHristmas and I’ve been geeking out on the sound of it since. Also - My favorite thing to do with delay is take the ideas for #4, (use multiple delays) and I put them in different amps. You get a great spread of rhythmic sound. Awesome.
i saw a meme today that said Australians are just British Texans. I thought Dan might get a kick out of that. Great show guy's, love every episode. Cheers.
You had Matt Schofield on quite awhile back and he mentioned that he uses 2 delay pedals. The first (very short) to fatten his tone and the second for everything else. I decided I would go that way immediately. Excellent stuff!
Oops, Off topic. When you were saying last week how you don’t like Fender’s maple fingerboards Mick, it reminded me that you gave me pause for thought a couple of months ago.
When Fender brought out their Player series earlier this year, the butterscotch Telecaster caught my eye, so I went to try one out and found it to be a canny buy except for the awful gloop on the fingerboard. However, remembering you said some while ago that you scraped the lacquer off your white maple Strat, I bit the bullet and bought it.
Over the next four days, using scraper blades, I took the fretboard down to the wood then treated it with Tung oil. Honestly, the difference is amazing and even though it is a “budget” Fender, it feels and plays great. I can’t walk past it without picking it up for a plonk. Thanks for that Mick. TPS inspires in all different ways.
Oh, and here's to a happy and successful Noo Year!
Shouldn't you be in Queensryche :) or is it the wrong one!!!
I've read that some people don't go that far, and just use steel wool as you would on rosewood, something you normally don't do on finish, to make it less sitcky. I personally love poly on everything though :)
@@markdaisley6958 Mark, can you imagine how many 'friend' requests I get from Facebookers!
The treated maple finish is key to the sound. Stripping it off then you might as well have a rosewood.
@@davids9192 Cheers David. Disagree tho', it's the Maple that makes the difference, not the finish. I have had 3 rosewood Telecasters over the many years of my life and the two woods have totally different tonal characteristics, which is why I was tempted to check out the Player in the first place. This of course is only my view. Thanks for the comment though. Discussion is good.
The false octave set up with a expression pedal for control is the tip I picked up this time around. Thanks!
Hey guys, man oh man my giddy aunt. I would like to say that was your best episode ever. I
LeRnt so much about delay. May I also say to my ears you never make a bad episode. I support you in every way I can. I bought a t shirt, I am a patroone , I give what I can, to, hear magic every weak, and you say my name wrong I will support
Sorry for the lengthy blabbery of this but it's important (to me at least)..... It's the obvious honesty from you two that lets your passion show through and gives your show the credibility that makes it worthy and real. For people like me who have to be selective in what they watch due to time constraints it is fantastic to have a show to watch that I know will be worthy of making time to watch. I have been waiting for this show on using delays - thank you very much! I still am terrible at using most delays but I have been doing the very short delay thing to thicken things up for a while now and I almost couldn't be with out it anymore. This show has inspired me to try to use the short delay in combination with a longer delay - sounded great when you did it!
One big mistake I used to do is have the delays too loud. I learned later to turn them down. Also the first one is amazing advice. So definitely watching to the end.
9:18 - The best way to think about dotted 8th notes is to think of them as really fast triplets.
I've been a classical musician for 15 years and the way we were taught to approach triplets were to say the word tri-pa-let with 3 corresponding notes (tri)
When Dan taps out the dotted 8th note tempo subdivision on his legs, say "tri" (with a hit on the leg), "pa" (with the next hit on the leg), "let" (with the next hit on the leg), then repeat until Dan stops.
So it will sound like "tri-pa-let tri-pa-let tri-pa-let tri-pa-let tri-pa-let"
This will make it so much easier! Give it a try
They are 3/16 long but they are not triplets! Eighth note triplets last as four sixteenth notes, sixteenth note triplets as two sixteenths, dotted eight is right in the middle, and unlike the other two they fit on the sixteenth grid perfectly
Camelia is right, they are not triplets.... and there's a FAR easier way... in fact, Bo Diddley taught us how to play dotted 8ths in the 50's!! The first three notes of the Bo Diddley beat at any given tempo are actually dotted 8ths. Think of the Bo Diddley beat at your current tempo and tap them into your delay and Voila.... dotted 8ths every time!
Some pedals will have a "triplets" button that when engaged, gives you what sounds like dotted 8ths to me. Maybe that is the reason, they are confusing what sound like triplets with 3/16. Even David Gilmour still calls dotted 8th delays "triplet delays".
they certainly are not triplets. this adds to confusion.
Your tap tempo or set delay tempo IS ALWAYS A QUATER NOTE, YOUR BASIC PULSE:
ONE-e-&-ah, TWO-e-&-ah, THREE-e-&-ah, FOUR-e-&-ah, ...
However, the delay echos will return at a frequency set by the subdivision. In case of dotted 8ths it's:
ONE-e-&-AH, two-e-AND-ah, three-E-&-ah, FOUR-e-&-AH, ...
returning on the ONE after three measures of 4/4.
@kimbiwa greetings! Depends on how you count. If yours are all sixteenths, then yes, you'll have a dotted eighth (one and two) followed by a sixteenth (one).
But I'm no expert on counting notes in English, so double check that with Google
when you set the FTT to short delay (20-33 ms). That Tone was killer. what a lovely fattening agent! I am rewatching this entire episode with a pen and paper to make notes. Thanks Guys!
Woooow! The oscillation at the end was pure magic, awesome!
Lads. Love delays. Love TPS. Happy times.
Dan just very briefly touched (33:54) on a very important use of the delay that is to color your sound. That deserves to have its own category (category number 11). You mentioned the Echorec, but what about the Korg SDD-3000. The SDD-3000 is an awesome pedal (that you should bring up one of these days) which is the favorite of such sonic masters as: The Edge, Daniel Lanois and Dan’s buddy, Mr. Ed O’Brien from Radiohead. It does an awesome delay and makes you sound better and cut through the mix.
Keep up the great work and bring the SDD to the show one of these days.
When Mick threw on the chorus from the JC-40 and Dan played that Alex Lifeson chord. Beautiful.
Jesus that ending was epic.
Can i just thank you guys, you inspired me to nab an old practice amp off my brother so i'm now running my own Wet/Dry setup in the comfort of my own home using 10 and 20 watt amps using the output split from my UX1 with the tone paths split left and right with the delay and modulation only going to a single amp and the sound that fills the room is immense.
I can't stop giggling.
hope you guys had a great Christmas and have a happy new year!
That’s awesome Stu, thanks so much :)
I first learned the dotted eighth tricks from the late great Bobbe Seymour. Pedal Steel player and Nashville record producer from the golden era of Country Music. Not sure if Albert Lee was doing it before the steel players or not. Albert was also a great innovator and has been around a longtime. In pedal steel we call that the 'two for one'. We set the repeats for just one repeat. The volume pedal has to be behind the delay because you have to kill the last repeat for your phrases to end right. Do it right while sitting at the steel people think you are a speed picking demon and you are playing relatively slow. LOL. Its pretty cool that in the states a lot of effect pedal developments guitarist use were actually introduced to Nashville by steel players.
This is fantastic with headphones. I just want to send all of my delay pedals to Dan and Mick to see what kind of sounds they can come up with
I’m sure you guys are aware, but ChaseBliss Audio’s Thermae is a bucket brigade delay that changes delay time in a very controlled and manipulative manner in order to shift pitch! It also uses a resonant low pass filter in place of a repeats tone control, which can sound really cool!
OK. Now you're costing me money. I've just ordered another delay I can use on solos. That very short delay time thing is sooo coool! I ordered the new pedal as I kept listening to the show. Can't wait to see how it turns out! Thank you! Astoundingly useful information.
For “Where The Streets Have No Name” Edge has 2 SDD-3000’s going. One in 1/4 note mixed quite low with longer feedback. The other is dotted 1/8 mixed quite higher but with less feedback. The Diamond Counter Point Delay actually has a setting for this called “galloping eighths” I believe. Also worth noting, with 2 delays setup like Edge, the modulation sounds much bigger and wider even with depth and rate set relatively low due to the 2 delays interacting with each other.
Fanastic video! So much good stuff here!
I used to think you guys were "valve snobs" but it turns out I was wrong as evidenced by your new found respect for the JC40. I now realize that what inspires you guys is playing loud. So if it doesn't matter whether you're using a valve amp or a S/S amp as long as you're playing loudly, maybe the amp doesn't matter at all. It might be a worthwhile challenge then, to try to get your sounds while playing loudly through a PA without any amp at all. This is something I've been experimenting with lately using my pedals into an EQ into a cab simulator into a PA. It's been challenging and I'm not there yet but I've found it rewarding for the flexibility it offers.
You said you would do clickbait titles from now on, and you've kept your promise. Great show as usual fellas!
Not sure we'll keep it up, but hey :0))
Great stuff guys - very informative :) Many thanks :)
Thank you for another year of great content! Your success is well deserved.
Great thing about delay's is you can basically jam with yourself when using the longer delay settings...makes for some really creative and inspirational sessions! Thanks guys, another great show!
Amazing demonstration guys! Loved it! Learned a thing or two as well. Cheers!
What I have found out by watching just a couple of your delay pedals videos is. That i have a Ferrari or Lamborghini of a Delay Pedal & basically I have been using it as idk let's say in America we have what we call a big wheel when we are children & are lucky enough to get one. Anyways I hope that this shows you just how much you guys have & are continuing to help me & many other's. To understand just the basics of what & how to actually use these "Golden Bricks" of effects pedals. I probably still don't have any idea what all this pedal can do, But thanks to you 2 guys I am committing myself to at least attempting to find out. So thank you both. What an amazing service you both are bringing to the masses. Oh BTW I am learning how to use the Reflecting Pool effects pedal by Fender.
Hi gentlemen. You know you're allowed to have a week off over the Christmas & New Year break. We won't think any less of you!!! Great to see a new video though. Run To You sounded shit hot!!! Happy new year!!
This is how I woild spend my Christmas
over 15,000 views so far means at least that many guitarists trying to end their gigs this weekend the way you guys closed this show out ;-) oscillation for a standing ovation lol. thanks for the tips guys, great show!
I knew I could count on you gents to explain it all with practical examples. Seek and ye shall find TPS.
One of the best episodes ever. Love these "tips and tricks" videos; I personally find them more useful than the "compare all these high-end amps/pedals" vids. More please!
When Dan set the Free The Tone tempo to the delays of the Bellepoch It was like a light bulb moment. I reckon you could get a ton of really interesting tones from that sorta play between the pedals
This is a fantastic update to the previous episodes about delay. Funny timing since I have been watching those and debating on adding a second delay. Also I agree with the other commenters about doing this for other types of pedals like tremolo, phaser and chorus. Keep up the great content. Thank you guys.
I love it when you guys feather an gently nudge the dials on the pedals without making any noticeable difference to the sound.
Best video in ages. Super useful and easy to follow. Great work!
great show guys learnt loads of new things about Delays I didn't know before!
Just got a Red Panda Tensor because of the Devin Townsend vid!! Thanks gents!
Mr. Daniel, love the playing in the intro. Love delays!!!
Ah, that’s very kind, thank you :)
Splendid Video, Truly amazing! One of the most informative Ive witnessed.....Cheers
Hello Guys! Thank you for bring delays to a practical context. I got a DD 500 boss, and pretty much most of all combinations you showed can be programed in all details. Nice show!
Best tps video in a long while, entertaining and inspiring. Thanks and keep up the good work
The short delay stuff is magic. I think it's worth understanding the Haas Effect - which you basically demonstrated very well. Delays shorter than about 32ms aren't perceived as seperate delays - they blend into the sound - but the brain still decodes it as spatial information. This happens in nature all the time - inside boxes and tubes - etc and our brains respond to this information. In stereo the Precdence effect comes into play - the brain thinks that the sound with the shorter delay is closer than the sound with the longer delay. A studio trick is to use Haas panning by using these short delays. There was a cool stereo delay box used the 70's and 80's on many mega classic records that literally used coiled up garden hose and transducers to create two very short delays - approx 11ms and 17ms panned LR. Digital delays took over to do the same thing - and tape delays were used before that. But the Cooper Time Cube was definately a big thing for while on major records.
Could you do one of these for Phaser pedals please?
Can you do one of these for all pedals please
Your classic phaser is a modulated short delay, so you'll be able to do some variations on what is in this video at the least. Depending on what phaser you have of course.
Brock Barr Phasers (and Vibes) are actually a modulated filter effect, you’re thinking of Chorus & Flanger with the delay thing.
DaFunkySquirrel 🤓 😂
Please, if anyone knows, what is the riff that he plays at 4:00 ? I have heard a similar one before and cannot recollect, and it is too short to shazam.
Smash It Up! Pt 1...! Also two names that didn't come up that always make me think of creative uses of delays: Michael Brook (and of course) Vini Reilly. Cheers guys, another great episode.
Any video that features Dan and Mick getting to play modulated delay is going to be a winner in my book! Cheers and Happy New Year! I really have learned a lot from each of these videos and greatly appreciate the time and effort that you and your crew put into these episodes. Some folks had Cheers, others Seinfeld, me? I have That Pedal Show. Looking forward to an even better 2019.
An episode full of tricks such as #9 would be amazing.
Not just delays, but any other cool things you know that the bulk of us may not. :)
A quick note of thanks for all you do. Have a great new year.
Late to the comments, but this was a great episode. I immediately went and started playing with these techniques last night. Fun! Then today I thought "why not see what my chorus does as a 'slap back' delay?" Super cool! Thank you for teaching and inspiring. Good stuff.
Sorry, don't mean slap back, rather the short-delay "doubling" or blooming effect. Super cool.
Has to be one of the best editions , informative and nicely put together. Shoegaze heaven! Maybe take it to the next level with stacking 3 or more delay and reverb pedals.
This is great content! This type of show is perfect for what stage of player I am. I would love to have this type of instruction for each of the pedal families. It would also be extremely beneficial to have these listed under one library.
When Dan said "Belle Epoch", It sounded, to my ears, like he had a new delay pedal called the "Belly Flop". If I made pedals, I would not delay in getting started on the Belly Flop, version 1.
Delay makes so much more sense to me now. Thanks guys! Love your vids!
I picked up an Alter Ego X4 a while back and I loved the super short slapback/doubling effects but I couldn’t use it in conjunction with longer delays. Ended up adding a Flashback Mini loaded with Josh Smith’s “Double Slap” TonePrint and I basically leave this on all the time. It’s subtle, but I miss it when it’s not on. It adds a bit of space and you can feel the difference in your fingers. Plus it sounds MEGA (to borrow your term, Dan) combined with the Echorec longer delays in the X4. This show has really changed and refined my sound over time, and it’s given me countless hours of really inspired playing. Cheers, fellas! 🍻
Thank you! This video has helped me go from zero knowledge of the effect to adding tasteful delay in my live band
More of this on Friday… actually with a band!
Dan! The double delay playing and brief creep to a familiar song. That kicked ass!
Ran to my phone to watch…
Good morning gentlemen! I'll be off work soon, home for the weekend. I'll start it off with a great TPS and cocoa. I may even finish wiring in my pedal board. Lots of GigRig power distribution goodness!
I remember falling in love with delay about 30 years ago. I was running sound for a pretty good local band. I saved up and bought a Peavey Mark IV 24 channel board and a Roland SDE-1000. I wore that thing out.
Great show as usual!!! Your pedalboard show with Matt Schofield in JUL 2017 was the first time I conceptualized use of the very short delay. He described it as "thickening" his tone if memory serves. Then he added a longer delay on top of it. At the time I only owned a carbon copy, I have since added a tape echo and am considering buying a belle epoch deluxe--down the rabbit hole we go. Thank you for expanding on that subject. Great tones and much food for thought.
Can't have too many delay sessions! Thanks yall! It's like something my parents should have taught, "son, always have at least 2 delay pedals, preferably one digital, and one analog"
the little riff @24:16 was sooooo good!!!! ahhhhhhh i was throwing up the horns lol
Great video guys. I have begun going Wet/Dry and like to kill the uneffected signal in the wet delay setting. This gives me such a huge delay sound! I also have a patch on my DD-500 with a 45ms delay, 0% unaffected level, 100% effect level, and only one repeat. Turn this puppy on and you instantly have a huge sound. The first time I tried it in my band, it was as much as a perceived volume boost as stepping on an actual booster pedal, although my signal tehnically wasn’t even louder.
Mick!! I love it when you play that thumb finger Chet Atkin style! Amazing!
1. loved this video, very inspiring to tweak some more with my delays! 2. off topic question But i'd love your thoughts: The more i'm playing nowadays in different venues/environments. i'm experiencing more noise with my rig some some venues, and others not. Could you share some knowledge about do's and donts when setting up your rig at venues with the electrics etc. and also possibly an introduction to power conditioners/power surge protectors. what they do, if you use them, and what you should ideally look for. All the best! Connor.
Great end to another GREAT episode! Thanks guys! You're awesome!
Nice vid guys! To my ears the really short delay with gain is like double tracking gainy guitars to bring them out in a recording. Have a great new year!
Loving the constantly growing amp collection! I love the super short delay trick, especially in wet/dry! One of the coolest rock solo sounds I've ever heard or played.
Nice video. I agree that delay can be a pedal or effect that can be difficult to determine how to use it in various situations. I have played for 30 years and have two delays on my board, a TC Electronics and a Digitech PDS 2000. As i became a better player i used delay more. Getting the 1/8 note in sync with playing, on a slap back type, is a favorite and a tape echo mildly in the back, with a longer time between the pick and repeat, is also a favorite of mine. These are basic but friendly to many styles.
I learned a few tricks from your teaching and will try to implement them in my play. It is a great thought provoking pedal when making your own music.
Great video, I’ll be rewatching it again once my new pedal comes in because as it so happens, I just bought my first delay! It’s a Strymon Time Line. Free the Tone just seemed too complex and exhausting to program. I was surprised when it made it’s way onto Mick’s board but alas, I felt a simpler route was necessary for me. You guys always have great videos and I wouldn’t know what to do without you.
That was like trip back in time to very episodes. Lots fun and great tips. Happy New Years boys.
Awesome! Please do a short week day video on putting different effects in the delay loop.
New video idea!! As you mentioned, the 20-30ms delays in this video around the 19min mark inspire detuned sounds al la Eddie, Vai, and many others. I would be very interested in an episode discussing detuning, various setups, use of delay, pitch, other techniques. Perfect vid to bust out the JEM! Thanks guys.
I KNOW I shouldn't care that you guys like the JC40 so much... I should be fully grown up and comfortable in my own view that is it is awesome. Yet, I admit I am GLAD you guys (really) like it. You all said in a recent video that lots of the online reviews are designed to make you feel good good about something you already own... well I guess I am falling into that trap here. Still, I think for many of us out here in the world, you two serve as "opinion leaders," and I am sure that builders/makers and just users of all the stuff really like the validation when such thoughtful and serious guys as you like something.
You guys have made me do a complete 180 on delay. I never used to use or even like it, now it's one of my favorite effects and my most coveted effect I own is my Roland re-150 space echo. Now I want a T. rex replicator jr too
Hooray! Anybody who doesn’t like delay doesn’t understand it. It’s part of all almost all rock and pop music ever recorded!
A beginners Guide To pedals would be great too im a novice and love your show and it would be great for Noobs like me to understand more Great Show Guys
Great episode ! As a delay addict, I really enjoyed that (I have an Eventide TimeFactor and L6 M5 on one board, a rotating cast of single delay pedals on the other).
Couple of remarks:
- a great counter-example of tape delays not being in sync with tempo is Blackmore's intro and main riff to Mistreated, he has the repeats set to 1/4 note (and pretty loud). Live, it's pretty obvious the whole band is playing to the tempo set on the Echoplex. Another example being Tommy Iommi on Heaven and Hell's solo, which has a similar thing (pretty loud 1/4 note repeats)...though by the time it might have been the MXR rack delays he's been using through the 80s and 90s;
- the classic The Edge/Lanois delay thing actually is two delays, one set at 16th notes into another set at dotted 8th, it's very obvious on Pride (In The Name of Love) where you can hear the cascading delays. The interesting thing being, as is obvious on U2's live performances, the whole band is playing to the tempo set on the delays (you can hear the Edge hitting a muted note, then Larry Mullen Jr giving tempo on the hi-hat based on that);
- an earlier example of dotted 8ths is David Gilmour using them all over The Wall (Another Brick In The Wall Pt1, Run Like Hell)...the panning delays on Another Brick In The Wall Pt1 sound incredible !
- the short delay/doubling trick works especially great in W/D, I remember John Petrucci demonstrating that on his instructional video back in the early 90s. Great alternative to doubling/micropitch effects (which are more of the same idea anyway).
Thanks for giving me some new ideas for my Flight Time!
That was awesome. Loved the ending.
I really enjoyed this one guys! There was a moment where you talked about ambient guitar and Dan demonstrated it a little bit. Have you thought about doing a show on ambient guitar techniques? It's a little daunting to get the right mixture of drones, swells, and volume.
Mick had a Jimi moment there at the end... Happy New Year guys! Delay... Delay.. we're off to buy Delay.... delay.... delay.... delay...
This is one of my favourite of your recent videos. I've never really been much of a delay user but I'm inspired to go and play more with my Seymour Duncan Vapor Trails, especially the modulation on the tails! Thanks!
You guys echoed my feelings exactly - great video!
You guys should do some public clinics, I’d pay to attend!
I have been thinking the same friend. These lads need to go on an international tour.
Why , when you can just watch right here on YT for free ???
There is plenty to teach and experience. And it's fun!!!
MrOzgooner
Why bother going to see a band live when you can just buy the live dvd?
I believe they have in the past. I seem to remember them talking about issues they had fighting with the sound tech and organizers of one in London. [The boys were playing too loud, go figure!] I forget what vid that was mentioned in, probably a VCQ?