Let's Talk About JEAN GREY's Not-So-Secret Power in Jean Grey #1
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- Опубліковано 1 гру 2024
- In today's video let's talk about Jean Grey's not-so-secret power in Jean Grey #1, and why this will allow her to cheat death and lead the X-Men in their attempt to avenge the Hellfire Gala 2023 Massacre.
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This puts Jean back at top dawg status. Jean is the Phoenix. This Oprah everybody gets a bird era was fun but put some respect on the original recipe. Good job my guy
Lmao so true. You get Phoenix!! You get a Phoenix!! EVERYBODY GETS A PHOENIX!! I could imagine everyone including Hulk pulls off 90s clumsy Jean Grey saying I'm am Phoenix then faints.
Without Louise Simonson, we wouldn't have Cable, Archangel, Stryfe, Apocalypse, some of the characters she co-created
And look at the historical significance of those characters‼️‼️‼️‼️
they gave us, the Jean Grey we always believe she was.
Jean going back in time is some OP stuff that I'm here for 😂💯
yes and she's using her telepathy
What would be impressive isn't if Jean Grey can resurrect herself , but I think resurrecting the entire mutant population would be impressive .
it's what the phoenix is made for. death and rebirth. destruction and creation. seems almost likely that she will tap into that.
Jean has a talent for survival. My fav is still transferring her mind into Emma’s body & even using Emma’s latent telekinesis during the first Upstarts battle with Shinobi. This move has never really been examined or revisited as it wasn’t a minor moment. For that matter Emma transferring her mind into Iceman’s body shouldn’t be overlooked either as usually entities like Shadow King are more known for this.
Jean doing what she told Cyclops was wrong seems natural after her way didn’t seem to work with the gala going so bad.
Jean actually came into contact with the Phoenix well before the space shuttle incident- when Annie Richardson died and again during X-men the Hidden Years.
I love the RESPECT you showed for Louise Simonson! She’s a Marvel OG!
I see where Cable got his reckless use of time travel from lol
Dark Phoenix has always been my favorite after Storm and Magneto
Every game I played storm and Jean especially in marvel vs capcom 3
It's just something about Dark Phoenix😍
Jean once said her greatest fear was not being Phoenix. Not Madelyne Pryor. It was herself. She would have no one to blame if she were to lose control of herself because of the power she wields.
People who say Jean Grey is too perfect do not realize that that is by design of what she had already been through. And it will not take much to unravel it when push comes to shove if Jean does not be careful.
This comic seems to be doing GREAT at showing that.
Jean didn't lose control of the power. Remember she was manipulated by Mastermind over a period if time. That set in motion the events that led to Dark Phoenix.
I'm so happy some one gives her the flowers she deserves 😭
Louise Simonson was OK as a writer- but her real strength was in the lost art of comicbook editing. She was editor during the peak X-men period of: Dark Phoenix Saga and Days of Future Past
Jean and Exodus have similar powers for most part. He's able to ressurect himself and technically others if he takes their mind into his and reconstruct their body. He did it with Professor X. Im not sure why people would think she would require the Phoenix to ressurect
Jean cant resurrect herself jean is connected to the Phoenix soul bond so I believe this is the Phoenix doing, jean is just a telepath and telekinesis user
@wallisvictor9688 She can, has, and another mutant with a similar powerset on a similar scale has done the same for himself and others.
@@Phoenix2024-k1g apparently you were not paying attention to the video
@@darrius3022 so when jean was dying I'm space malnourished who was the one who saved her life and bonded with her.. Phoenix SO wtf are you talking about, jean grey is a telepath and telekinetic everything after that is plot amor and Phoenix doing the work. Cause how many times have jean died and how many times have the PHOENIX resurrect her? So don't try to call me slow when i read the comic . The Phoenix as a whole isn't jean grey the Phoenix is beyond jeans power for its a force older than time older than earth 616 universe, the Phoenix spread it self and only one can exist in a universe and in earth 616 it CHOOSES JEAN GREY. And bonded with her, not because jean is special but because jean was crying telepathically and the Phoenix was attracted to her emotion which the Phoenix never have nor possess, in exchange for jeans life to be saves the Phoenix bonded with her FOREVER. this is no different from a contract ghost rider did , meaning jean will always be the Phoenix, SO WHATEVER POWERS JEAN HAVE its the Phoenix doing the work through jeans will. Not because jean herself have the power
@wallisvictor9688 Jean still has the power to ressurect herself without the Phoenix. Young Jean does this before bonding with the Phoenix. Quentin Quire has also ressurected himself, and so has Nate Grey. It's just an ability powerful telepaths/telekinetics have.
4:18 to be fair, Jean never did like magneto even time displace Jean had her issue with him
😂🤣😂 Jean out there pulling a whole ass Moira!
I don't know why, but mid video I felt compelled to click the like button and subscribe even though I had already done those things...
its also important to note that jean was stabbed by blightswill knife so her powers aren't gonna work so well, probably not good enough right now to fix herself.
In this issue, I think Jean was deliberately doing things she normally wouldn't do in order to see a different outcome. In the end it all spiraled out of her control, which means that she was right to do things as she had the first time.
It feels like we are returning to the Claremont Phoenix retcon era of Jean and the Phoenix being distinct beings yet are one and the same which is not a bad thing in my opinion. Given that Jeans soul is said to be carved from the Phoenix Force itself I would not be surprised if she had access to the power of the Phoenix without technically being its current host, hell it’s not like she’s forgotten her time in the White Hot Room or what it felt like to be the White Phoenix of the Crown we don’t even know if a WPOTC has ever returned to life from the White Hot Room before she could’ve had access to more power than she realised after “breaking up” with the Phoenix Force…like still having access to a joint account with your ex
"I AM you. Don't you remember?"
That line from Endsong always, ALWAYS gets me. No matter how many times writers try to create a distinction between Jean Grey and the Phoenix, passing the Big Bad Bird power-up around from hero to hero like the hottest of potatoes, the truth is, Phoenix will always be too closely associated with Jean Grey. Even Rachel, the Phoenix's "runner-up" host, is noted to be such an ideal candidate because she's the daughter of Jean Grey.
(this isn't a knock at Rachel, I want to be clear, I love her to bits, I'm just making a point)
Even when Jean Grey is not Phoenix, she's still Phoenix.
Damn right, Jean is Phoenix, Phoenix is Jean.
@@ingonyama70It’s fine. We like Rachel.
But damn, Pheonix Endsong wasn’t kind to her. Seriously, Kurt tells her to stay on the jet during a Pheonix story and she does it? Just… no.
@@rajohnbutler7131Exactly.
@@ingonyama70 I always got the feeling that for the Phoenix, Jean is the fun girl you don't introduce to your parent, and Rachel is the one you settle for.
I'm one that was very fatigued of the Phoenix, more specifically the Phoenix with Jean. With Rachel it was awesome. That said, the way this story is already going I can see Jean becoming the Phoenix again, but not the problematic psycho Phoenix but, sort of like how Rachel seemed to handle it, almost like it was dormant and at peace within her.
"Fatigued" she legit hasn't had the Phoenix since 2005, it brought her back 2017, and that's about it til 2023!
Before then she was the Phoenix in the 80's!
I agree. My issue with the phoenix and Jean is the constant internal battle for control. That seems to only persist with Jean…
On the flip side, to have someone that powerful on your roster could make story telling an issue. But the Morrison run I believe solved that issue, having jean have access to a part of the power vs. the whole thing. I hope these issues explore her power more than the phoenix. Say what you want about Bendis, but his take on jean and her power set made my day. To see what she can do without the phoenix was on another level. I need that aspect back to adult jean if possible..
For me, I’m just fatigued with Phoenix in general at this point. They overused it several years ago with terrible plot with or without Jean. They need to take a break with it for at least another 5 years because they’re draining the excitement behind it when they’re milking it at any chance they get.
I know Jean is Phoenix basically. They just need to lay off the aesthetic and keep her pink power effects. Don’t want to see no bird or orange palette soon. Just want Jean explored with her Omega potential and not just reasoned that she’s being empowered by the PF. It takes away her credibility of being an Omega level with just her skills. I like the subtleness in this issue because it shows us Jean and what she’s truly capable of. Phoenix or not, just need it to be subtle for now and let Jean be alone herself, whether it’s the PF or a man, they need to let her breathe for a moment.
@PickleJarr jean isn't potential is Omega
The teen Jean Grey had her powers ramped up. That's why she was able to bring herself back
amped by what? When she arrived in the present, she already had access to her telepathy, something her orihinal self shouldn't have been able to do yet. The Phoenix didn't even like her and killed her, but she forced it to resurrect her.
@hcbabyssian8936 remember when they went to space and Angel got his fire wings and Jean had something like a quantum psychic ability
@@joemagnum611during the whole Black Vortex mess?
@Mitsu2040 yeah that bullshit
I was waiting for this video! Louise is a LEGEND
I love how you make us like the video. You just flow into it ❤😂🎉
Endsong was the great ending that Jean deserved but also as a fan, I loved how they explored Jean's feats without the Phoenix and how we saw her growing closer to her omega-level status. She's so powerful that even the phoenix kept yearning for her even after these years. The phoenix storylines after her parting with Jean seemed so lost. I hope that the two gets to reunite only for Jean to absorb the phoenix and become one being with it (like how Wanda absorbed cthon but in a more peaceful way as phoenix loved jean and cthon despised wanda).
Jean Grey being able to do this is not surprising as being an avatar of the Phoenix force is an ability at her disposal. Plus it was already a part of her powers that she was already well versed in.
12:50 That drawing of Phoenix Jean Grey looks crazy as f**k. She looks way more like a psycho than the live action versions
My kinetic manipulation granted me a kind mindset, which gives me psychic immunity... good vid man
Its not surprising Jean can send her essence back in time… or at least to me its not because the “white witch” “saturnine” did something similar during The X of swords and event.
I mean, her daughter Rachel has the power to telepathically send people consciousness through time, plus chronoskimming.... so Jean potentially having such abilities is not farfetched at all.
That, and Jean, whether she knows it or not, wants it or not, will always have a connection to the phoenix. So anything is possible.
@@Ephideltrance so real. So true.
Readers forget less than a year ago, during X Lives and X Deaths of Wolverine, Charles Xavier asked Jean while they were projecting Wolverine's consciousness through different timelines.
To send a psionic blast to the past to erase the minds of anyone who saw Logan within a mile. She's OP!
What happened to Rachel being an Omega Mutant?
@@kendleoneal4080 I think she still is one, she's just not On The List.
Honestly, I never cared much about 'Omega potential' as a label. In practice, Rachel can do everything Jean can do, she just goes about it differently.
Love this. Great to see it after the krakoan era changed the relationship to death. Still so sad that none of the movies could get on this wavelength, too scifi, to mystical for dumb action movies
I’ve already subscribed but man that was clever so definitely a like
It wasn't quite what I expected and thanks for bringing me up to speed on some past stories that I didn't catch on X-men like the Jean Grey ability to resurrect herself from death that she did on issues I never bought/read but also on the teen X-men when they in the future that I glossed over unnoticed when I did buy/read them. This ability of Grey is totally catching me off guard, but I'd ask why she didn't do that upon her death in the Power/House of X, when the X-men were attacked the Orchis station to destroy the Master Mold Sentinel from coming operational. Mutant resurrection would have been unnecessary for her. This first issue story arc that not wiping the memories upon return to the past and remembering their experiences would then become a multi-verse divergency of the Watcher as future would be fractured from occurring all while simultaneously existing in nanoseconds in a virtualized reality of Jean's consciousness and then re-diverged with other conceptual alternatives of her slowly ebbing consciousness of cognitive mind plotting alternetive pathways to returning to physical life. It actually makes Jean not just an Omega mutant but a Omega threat as well, that her physical body cannot be killed and how would it ever be restrained? If the mutant physical body is dead, then how is the physic consciousness still powerful enough that the astral plane can reach back and resurrect physical body to resurrect. Thus, Jean becomes greater as she is in essential immortal/eternal entity. It's dangerous direction for Marvel to elevate Jean Grey from beloved love & moral compass to a new direction and dare say 'Dominion' that defeats Sinister?
Thank you for making this video 👍
Crazy how I just like hit that like, and subscribe, bell icon button without even thinking about it anymore.
I don’t know why, but I’m suddenly compelled to hit the like button
Can't wait for the rest of this series!
when they un-retcon the phoenix and reveal that it's jean's ultimate expression of her omega level potential that she cut off after dark phoenix 🙏
That will be 👍🏽 since I think (someone correct me if I’m wrong) Claremont intention was that the PF was her ultimate power at the end, since her soul was mostly carved by the Force.
The way Jean ripped the phoenix out f ema frost in " End Song " She said. this belongs to me. go find something else to play with.
I am waiting for the completion after reading the first issue. I thought it was just Jean’s psychic It’s A Wonderful Life moment because it doesn’t make sense to me that she has all this knowledge but still went awry
Knowledge isn't the same as wisdom. Going back and making different choices is a gift we all wish we could have, but no one ever thinks of the consequences of doing so.
Jean can apparently reset her timeline if she messes it up too badly, so this is something she'll only be able to get better with with practice.
Blerd I hit the like whenever I start the video so I remember. I hit the like even if I don’t like it.
Man, I hit the like button but I don't remember hitting it. Did blerd just wipe my mind? Oh, dear.
I CANNOT wait for the next issue!
I don’t think Ernie gets enough respect for his shirt drip game 🔥
They gotta decide on whether or not they want Jean to take full accountability for the dark phoenix saga or not. Cause first it was all her, then it wasn’t actually her, and then they started going back and forth on it.
It's funny because people brush aside other Phoenix host's actions because they were possessed, but Jean still gets blamed for something her clone did. I mean, they did give Scott crap about it for a time, but we haven't brought it up in a long time. The reason I stick with the Phoenix switch retcon is because we have it on print explaining how it happened over several issues and for decades it was the established canon. Now they want to just pretend that it didn't happen without putting in the work of explaining the why. Just expect the readers to be too stupid to notice, I guess?
I didn’t take this book to be Jean literally going back in time. But rather an introspection of pivotal moments in her life that she examines in an attempt to find if there was something different that could’ve been done to avoid the Fall of X. She shouldn’t be able to maintain consciousness long enough to do all this before fading away into the beyond. It almost feels like her soul could be stuck in this state of introspection because those were her final thoughts before she died at the gala.
We don’t know much about the blight-whatever that coated the dagger that killed her. Only that it was obtained from otherworld, a realm of magic. Perhaps this prolonged consciousness is an after effect of that.
I do believe Jean's consciousness can exist outside of her mortal shell, like in the White Hot Room, maybe? The Phoenix is the nexus of all psionic energy and Jean is an omega level telepath, so there could be a connection there. It's probably why she appeared to people in visions and such when she was dead.
Also, during the teen Jean Grey's solo comic, Jean appeared to her as a 'ghost' and even Dr. Strange couldn't sense her.
@@Mitsu2040 I remember that. There was not real explanation given to it so I just thought the writers got sloppy.
@@rtuggle82 lol, probably!
I'm kinda done with the trips down memory lane for her character. We need to go forward. The same energy they're putting into Storm they need to be putting into Jean, especially if you're gonna claim she's one of the strongest mutants alive.
Amen!! Gotta look forward, not back!
The thing about rewriting memory is that, the memory will heal and return and when it does, it never ends well.
Uncanny X-Men 281 is basically a self resurrection
Just make her into an anti hero and avenge the nation of Krakoa. Like she is dark phoenix ghost rider
I would totally be down for that if they just let Jean cut loose and start reminding the bad guys what angry looks like
This like is hilarious!
An X-Book by Louise Simonson! I'm in 100%
Jean Grey not staying dead? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you🙄😂
Jean grey is a very dynamic character. She could have healed herself with enough focus a knife through the chest she could alt blood loss, bind planets together and then bind tissue fiber s together all while communicating with fire star. It is just the plot the directs her to die. She needs to be given more growth as a character. She is always Scott summers wife even though he has been with Emma frost and or teased with the closeness of wolverine. This story of krokoa, resurrection, and the cabal of orchis there is the offer of a better world and way. It is not allowed to be because the actions of those who could destroy them. I would have loved to see her completely level nimrod, but they have to drag it out a few more decades. I don't know what is their left to tell with the technological Conclusion of this story arc. That fact that the X-Men don't have any allies asking the bigger questions of who and how they are done in at a social gathering in which dignitaries were present and so were heroes. Tachalla, namor, reed richards, the avengers, there are very few other than captain America and iron man or even Wilson risk how can see what truly happened. I remember how hope summers went in on bastion when she got back from her and cables future and how that impacted both hero and villain alike with the A vs X storyline. Why isn't there anyone out side of the story able to see what happened? Again plot and the direction the story is going, but where is this going? This also stinks of genosha all over again with weapons run amok with no oversight.
jean got stabbed by a blightswill knife meaning her powers aren't working as well as they usually would be.
I feel like the plot of Fall of X wasn't good when you think about the details. Several mutant characters had to be nerfed or completely absent from the gala in order for the story to happen. Remember how Exodus utterly wrecked Selene just a few issues prior? But he was somehow twiddling his thumbs during the gala. Hope and Proteus? Same. Storm who put down Vulcan in a single strike? Nowhere to be seen. Jean who surrounded herself with telekinetic energy couldn't sense someone moving in on her? Or even have her telekinetic shields up during a massacre? Plot needed to happen. Bad writing, I say.
And where was Legion? I already forgot the plot for Knights of X
Mutants are just in a forever damned if ya do damned if ya don't situation aren't they?
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Why did i do that???
I think Jean is the SIngularity Being that we saw at the end of Sins Of Sinister
I think that you may be on to something. I assumed that it was M.R.But it could be Jean.
Can you put the where you got that shirt from?
Yaaaay doctor whooo!
if jean grey somehow is sleeping in westview while at the same time wanda create reality (like in wandavision) can jean grey resists the magic from wanda as soon as she awake?
Possible, we saw Wanda was mentally controlling people to act their parts. Some normal folks had little moments where they broke character. Jean mind is incredibly powerful, so there is no way Wanda can mentally alter it to play any role. She may get trapped in West View, but she will not be manipulated. It's just a matter of confronting Wanda after that.
Wanda's powers are innately magical, she's not mind-controlling so much as casting charm & domination spells. Jean was born with her telepathy, it's intrinsic to her being - and it's her Omega-level mutation, meaning she has no limit to what she can achieve within its boundaries.
While I do think comparing Jean's powers and Wanda's is like apples and oranges, in the theater of mind manipulation, Wanda really doesn't hold a candle to Jean.
@@Ephideltrancejean can easily controll wanda mind and get out.
@@ingonyama70at all and I wish they stop comparing and putting wanda on Jean Level with or without the Phoniex
When you mentioned her killing potential threats I thought Moira, that failed, then Emma, then Emma sharing what she learned with Council, then Jean was on the Council, then “why do this when she knows it fails”
Now that I’m writing this she left the Council to be an Xman before the reveal
haha liked the vid (which I never do) ....
we had a conversation?
5:09 Sith Lord without fear
I finally have a shirt in common with BWF!
Jean doesn’t like The Mag man never did 😂
6:20 Weren't they having a problem with bringing people back who died on Genosha? Resurrection doesn't work for them...
Yes, she does so after becoming a poison.
Do you know who else already knew that Sinister would betray the X-men and infect/replace them? Everybody except the All New All Worse soulless Plant Clones!
There can be no What If Jean Grey stayed Dark Phoenix be sure at that time she wasn't officially the Phoenix. The Phoenix copied her body and took on her essence. So leading back too me saying "Jean Grey" never went "dark".
Maybe a little during Endsong, but that Phoenix was already corrupted before they merged
5:17 I liked the video….I am not sure why
Jean actin a damn fool in this issue.
I'm not crazy about What-If stories. I guess I'll have to wait and see how I feel about it when it all wraps up at the end.
how many issues is this comic
@@Lucretia19I believe that it's only four issues.
@@Mitsu2040 ohh I thinks too short
@@Lucretia19 I agree, but considering most of it is "what-if" material, I'm not too bothered.
Part of my problem w the mutant resurrection storyline, is like many of the X-men, they’ve come back with divine means before. Why haven’t we seen someone come back from those means after being brought back by an egg? So take Jean, she was brought back via egg after the Space raid in HoxPox, what is stopping her from willing herself back then too? Then you’d have a Jean problem, I feel like it’s a story they don’t care to get really into…see talon n x23
Well, does she have to ressurect where she dies? If so she would ressurect in the middle of space and just die over and over again.
What If vol 1 issue 27 and vol 2 issues 32/33- show exactly what happened if Jean Grey had remained Dark Phoenix! Why have no modern X-men "fans" actually read any X-men comics before the MCU!
Professor Ernie X!!😂
Is that why I have a hankering for pb and jelly sandwiches 🥪 now you wiped my memory 😂
Who would win if jean grey from dark phoenix movie and doctor Manhattan from watchmen movie fight each other?
Manhattan far more control over his mental facaltys
Xmen 101
🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
Jean coming back from the dead huh? Shocker lol
Shouldn't Rouge be able to activate The 5's protocol on her own? 🤔
And Synch is still out there, too!
@@Mitsu2040 Forgot. Can he use multiple abilities at the same time also?
@@vision5541 I believe he can, but to be honest I can't confirm 100%
You're such a goofball 😊
*red triangle*
"Jean Grey sacrificed herself to save the humans on board as well as the X-men"!?! By "human(s) I assume you mean Peter Corbeau?
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This issue really solidified for me that Jean is kind of the worst.
🙏
orcas isn’t playing fair!!! So why should Jean play fair.
Caues it dose more harm then good.
@@hellblaze10 all those pleasantries are exactly what I got mutants killed. So if you’re going to hold back on your opponent. who clearly aren’t holding back on you. You’re pretty much guarantee to lose. Since you’re giving them a chance to attack, in ways you don’t expect.
@@patd9850 Their enemy was smart cunning and brutality efficient. Wile the mutants were arrogant, distracted and vastly underestimated there enemy. Thats what doomed them.
@@hellblaze10 Actually Mutants held back. If they didn’t, we have a whole different story now. Then folks will be calling mutants villains. Regardless of the doing shit for the survival. Since clearly their enemies don’t seem to understand the word stop.
@@hellblaze10 the only reason they gave the world universal medication, was a bargaining chip so that they could be left alone and lives. Not being bothered or hunted by hate groups. Guess magneto was right!!! All jokes aside, will be funny when the sentinels start targeting humanity. As sentinels will come to the conclusion. Mutants are born from humanity.
Was really hoping Jean Grey would have been in the White Hot Room, watching her fascist plant clone counterparts with utter disgust and getting ready to resurrect the real X-men!
I'm glad she doing it! You get tired of turning cheeks! Sometimes you gotta smack em!
Doesn't the Waiting Room, created by Wanda, still exist?
this is comics, some things are left forgotten
@@cosmicentity1077 Sadly, too true.
@@cosmicentity1077Especially every writers ignores another writer story/canon is an issue with comic book writers. For new fans especially from MCU, it's hard for them to even follow an actual timeline.
I....want...like...the ...video...
Isn't the entire Krakoa story arc about segregationist mutants forcing everyone to fear and hate them?
Did anyone actually die during the Hellfire Gala?
Didn't you see what Nimrod did to the newly elected X-MEN ? 😅 Jubilee,Dazzler,Frenzy with other 2 mutants died there . Juggernaut was beated and probably is held in Orchis facility but he's alive i belive . Lourdes Chantel also died when she teleported the remaining mutants who resisted Xavier's telepathy in the arms of Emma Frost . They are dead for now till the five come back somehow or revive them if they manage to find settlement in where are they at rn .
Frenzy, Prodigy, and Jubilee are currently deceased, as is Lordes Chantel. Cannonball and Dazzler were caught in Nimrod's initial impact, but they both have immortality/resurrection as part of their canonical power set so that's not likely to stick.
she might finally retake the phoenix and revive everyone. she would be too powerful though so maybe they'll make it so she makes a bargain that if the phoenix needs her she would go.
damn! i was going to like the video but then i found out i was just being manipulated! jk lol
must.... click...... thumb.............
whoa! what happened?!
Mf I liked the video. Yw. 😂
Blasphemy! I remember that you telepathically forced me to like the video! 😱 Karma is real 😠
All this weeks fall of x releases felt like filler. Jean and X-Force were good
I gave you a like but I don’t like Jean (Phoenix)
Sorry bro but your mental powers aren't strong enough to penetrate my mind and make me like or subscribe lol