We Need To Talk About The Drama At Elitewheels...
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
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For their disastrous video which was originally named “why you’re wrong about hookless wheels” and was basically an undeclared advert for Zipp, they got such a backlash that they changed the name of the video to “the pros and cons of hookless” (or something like that) and in the process, they lost a lot of trust from their viewers. This isn’t going to help with the perception that, when money talks, morals walk.
Sharks have been jumped, that's for sure.
A patent does not mean companies can't copy it. It only gives you a chair in the courtroom.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. While there are similarities in the systems there are also some distinct differences. In the Elite version one of the ratchet rings is fixed while in the other system all the ratchet parts are floating. The Elite version also uses a system similar to what Chris king has to pull the ratchet rings together under torque.
I noticed Drive wheels aren't being so prominently featured at GCN recently
In China...Patents are not really a thing that they pay attention to. So this could indeed be infringement but hard to prove. Hopefully they are able to license it from the other company if they are in for it.
They absolutely do. They have a complete industry around copying European and US patents. When they have the Chinese patent they have all the power to challenge European/US companies, because they have the other half, that is 2bn people, of the market in their pocket.
Who told you? If you have any questions, you are welcome to come to China and have a look. Don't use your own prejudices to generalize everything.
Alex and ollie's colnago bikes were fitted with reynolds and vision wheels on their last race, if that isn't telling you something
That they got paid by someone else.
Man, GCN can't catch a break.
Oh no, poor multi billion dollar Warner Brothers 😢
Not from GCN wannabes in any case.
The patent never should have been even be pending nor be granted. Entire patent system needs to be overhauled.
Sooo, when can we expect a new video about budget Road cycling? Chinese groupsets? Great budget hacks? That would be interesting to see! Let's leave GCN to do their thing, they are obviously more a commercial player and that's ok. I watch this channel for the more down-to-earth content.
Did they register the patent in China also?
I have a set of Elite 50D. I like mine a lot. Patent disputes happen all the time. Maybe you should wait until it's resolved.
Patent pending gives zero legal rights to attempt to exclude someone from making, using or selling something you claim in the patent. A pending patent, at least in the US, gives zero legal standing to sue someone.
The entire patent system is a racket. Needs to be overhauled and too many designs get patents that should not and this is one of them
Let's be honest you don't need to talk about it. You could invest in productive uses of time rather than fueling drama for clicks.
Elite wheels has Chinese patent. That would be 2billion people against European market. That is the game Chinese companies play, this is nothing new.
Chinese Bike industry are huge……. I’m not surprise they will take over the main stream brand as most of bike are made in China @ Taiwan…… European bila company cannot afford to make their bike in europe as the cost is high. The quality of chinese made bike is top notch … if not better!!
I think the issue here it, even if it’s patented, does it truly matter?
Most buyers buying this wheel, wouldn’t even bother buying from qvist anyway. Qvist wouldn’t gain a single sale from pushing this.
And paying to license it, would only drive up the cost of the wheel. Would the customer base would buy elite wheel, continue buying it if it went up past a certain point? No. So it makes 0 sense to license it
Imagine you inventing something that tastes better than coke and coke steals your recipe tomorrow. This would be your narrative
Somebody steals something from you and then they say: but you weren't using it anyways!
Your explanation is a joke. If you license it, elite will pay. Simple as that. But you must be Santa Claus giving away your inventions for free.
@@KerenWang😂😂 yes true
@@KerenWang The entire patent system is a racket. Needs to be overhauled and too many designs get patents that should not
Shame you guys are ditching credibility to get drama clicks.
Pays the bills I guess
patent pending.......Then it's their own fault.
You apparently are clueless about IP
Patents are stupid anyhow. If you have a cool idea, produce it and sell it. If someone else does it better, well, you should up your game I guess.
Man, youtube cycling 'journos' really just lapping up the weekly click bait and chucking it back out again
If patent makes a wheels more expensive to produce, i'd rather hope elite won the patent.
Unless qvist could do it in more affordable to mass produce, wich is unlikely in cycling world.
You’re OK with IP theft so long as it makes wheels you don’t need less expensive? Cool. You come from good stock.
@@NoahStephens Or, you could protect your idea so no one could improve their live in the name of intelectual property. What a glorious person you are.
@@NoahStephens Honestly, if western brands were;t so damn elitest/greedy with the way they price their products, Chinese brands wouldn't even have this advantage. The crazy overpricing over the past few years is really what is to blame here.
If I was GCN, I never would've gotten sponsored by Elite wheels. They are a Chinese brand that is known for making shit product in the past. Just like Ican and Superteam. Unless you wish to die while riding your bike, DO NOT BUY THESE PRODUCTS.
Lol. As south park Michael Jackson would say, you're just ignorant.
I’ve not heard a single bad review of elite wheels. Can you point to some?
I have more than 15k km on my Winspace Hypers-zero issues.
I have owned four sets of ICAN wheels and put thousands of miles on them. Also one of their frames. They are all really good.
I own a pair of elite drive 40v (rim brake) and they’ve been nothing but great, lightweight, fast wheels. 🤔
Being a guy who’s developing a fitness recovery tool, this stuff is hard. Really really really hard! Patents are the death of dreams and they’re unbelievably difficult to navigate. Especially when Chinese companies get involved.
The entire patent system is a racket. Needs to be overhauled and too many designs get patents that should not
Just put a good honest DT Swiss 240 hub in there and start selling. Love the shape.
After riding on a dtswiss ratchet system, not one time have I thought "a complete hub re-design would do these wheels much better." Even Elite's regular Drive hubs are awesome. My friend got some helix in and on the first descent the hub began to seize because of the weird spring interfacing with the double ratchets. We also noticed that the double ratchet slows you waaaaayyy down and quickly. I ride elite drive 40D and I wouldnt trade them for anything. They're incredible. I think elite tried to inovate to much, too quickly.
True. But companies need to come up with stuff to advertise even though it may be a total gimmick. As long there is something to publish on the website, social media, and talked about, it is an accomplishment for the companies. Otherwise, you keep cooking the same food. Wavey Helix wheels is another example to this. I don't believe them, but they are cool and eye-catching.
@@borasumer I agree 100% I feel if Elite kept the original hub and paired that with the Helix wheels and spokes, that'd be mmm🤌🏾
? Chinese companies don't have to adhere to US patent laws. only if they sell directly in the US. Hell, the Chinese gov' actively helps companies steal designs, trade secrets, etc.
Most GCN videos are just 10 minute glorified ads and you could get the same information by reading the short press release about the product.
No, nobody needs to talk about a company that makes shitty products. Don't buy their stuff, let the company go out of business as it deserves.
The elite wheels that have lasted me through a year of abuse in audexes and some fast group rides would beg to disagree.
It’s been nothing but a solid performance, at a price point and weight point lower than the competitors. So tell me, in what way do those wheels perform like a “shitty product”?
To a consumer, we only care about how it works. Are you by any other chance more than a consumer and so have reason to care otherwise??
@@87togabito I agree 💯. My Drive 40’s have performed flawlessly. They are in no way shit.
@@87togabito I based the "shitty" on the looks of the wheel in the thumbnail which looks like a copy of those ugly Zipp sawtooth-shaped rim wheels. TBH, I never heard of this company until recently and I do not doubt it even makes decent products. But then, half a dozen bicycle wheel brands pop up every week, offering acceptable quality at a reasonable price, but disappear a short time later, and Elitewheels looks just like one of those companies.
@@einundsiebenziger5488so elite wheels, the number one vendor of carbon wheels on aliexpress making over 100.000 carbon rims a year, already existing as a wheel company since 2013 and started as a carbon company in 2009 are suddenly, in your uninformed view, popping up and disappearing quickly?
Elitewheels are not shitty tho…
Chinese company in patent infringement shocker! Who'd a thunk.