SEASON 3 FINALE! STAR TREK DS9 Facets + The Adversary | 3x25 and 3x26 REACTION | FIRST TIME WATCHING
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0:00 - Intro
3:03 - Facets
19:35 - Review
25:09 - The Adversary
42:06 - Review - Фільми й анімація
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29:00 How did you know?
I saw the look on your face, you were not just guessing, you had figured it out.
How?
@@TheNoiseySpectator I just expect a founder now whenever something is odd plus it was a finale so I assumed we would get something big like a founder!
@@RolyPolyOllieReactions I see. You have a strong sense of poetic license. ⭐⭐⭐⭐
BUT, about 43:32 , So what if it said that?
They don't have any respect for non - changelings, whatsoever. They wouldn't bother to tell the truth to others, except if it suited their purposes.
Changeling spies probably make it part of their standard practice to use their last words to sew dissent and mayhem into their enemies intel.
I would almost say it telling Odo that could be ironclad proof that they are _not_ everywhere. But again, they would want us to think they were everywhere, regardless of if they are or not. 😵💫
So all we really know from what it told Odo is that they want us to be paranoid about them. 😕
The Ambassador gives clues that he is the shapeshifter, because in the first minutes of the now Captain Sisco's celebration, he doesn't drink, he even puts the glass to his mouth and doesn't drink the drink several times.
Never noticed that nice touch. There isn't any reason a changeling couldn't eat or drink is there? They could just hold the food or liquid in their bodies and expell it later right?
@@TheAtkey Odo I think has mentioned trying to eat and drink before in the past. He said it was messy, or something to that effect. But presumably a changeling that is older and more experienced would have figured out how to do a better job of it.
@@fakecubed LOL I remember him saying that, forgot till now. Is that a poop joke? DS9 made a few.
I had exactly the same thought. 😃 But then I watched even more carefully and realized that Sisko does the same thing. 🫤 In fact, no one but Jake drinks anything in that scene. It's actually very common on tv when they film several takes of a scene (they'd run out of drinks and need more bathroom breaks if the actors are actually drinking every take). So I'm not convinced that it was an intentional clue from the writers/director. But maybe.
Either way, that was a _brilliant_ catch by Ronaldopereira.
👏👏👏👏👏
Odo ordering "very cold tranya" at Quark's: callback to TOS 'The Corbomite Maneuver' when Balok introduces tranya to the Federation.
I always knew Rom would be one of your favorites. You really need to consider reacting to "Babylon 5" after this. It's right up your alley, and the exciting moments are far more intense. There's also a lot more to speculate on, as there's a 5-year plotline that was mapped out in advance, so everything is a clue to something else. Every question gets answered. Starts a little slow, but seasons 3 and 4, put DS9 to shame, and I love DS9.
As a devout DS9 fan who discovered Babylon 5 later in life, I would like to second this recommendation, Ollie.
B5 is great, too! You’ll love it!
Thirded!!
I don't like it as much as those guys, but I think it is worth watching, after you finish DS.9 and then Voyager.
Now, before you guys say anything about Voyager, think about it;
As Voyager goes on, they have a lot of fun with trekker inside jokes, the kind that Ollie just loves. 😆🤣
.... That is to say "as the _series_ Voyager goes on" , not as the starship Voyager gets closer to home.
FACETS shows us that DS9 can make an engaging, well written episode with no threat of any kind. It's just our favorite characters having a day and getting great character development.
Nog and Rom are SO far from their first appearances that we've come to love them both.
Dax and Odo leveled up as well- both becoming more confident and understanding of each other.
THE ADVERSARY is indeed a nod to The Thing (because everyone loves that movie) particularly the blood testing scene.
It does indeed show how much damage one Founder can cause.
Sisko is now CAPTAIN Sisko! Finally!
Eddington has a nice moment with Sisko explaining why someone stays in Security. instead of going for a command. It's an important role too. Same with O'Brien.
Odo kills another changeling. Yeah, that's gonna be a thing.
Now we gotta worry about anyone being a changeling.
I know you've already seen it, so you know next episode is the shit!😎🖤
A dense, action-packed season 4 opener, you say? To quote Eris from the S2 finale The Jem'Hadar -- "You have no idea what's begun". This is where DS9 steps over the red line and comes into it's own fully.
Odo really propelled the series forward, and it wasnt even his relationship with the changelings that was the most important IMO it was his seeking justice in a turbulent era that is heroic.
You are going to be blown away by season 4 opener. Can’t wait!
I love how DS9 does finales, not with a cliffhanger two parter but with a standalone that promises the conflicts to come
It's the only Star Trek series in the modern era to not end a season on a cliffhanger.
And then they give us the big two-parter to open the next season, which usually delivers on the questions raised by the previous season finale. Much better than getting a cliffhanger and then needing to wait until the next season to get the conclusion.
@@dargron7614 My memory could be faulty but I think when if first aired it was in a 2 hour block. This might have varied by market since DS9 like TNG was aired in first-run syndication.
@@TheAtkeyYou're correct. Way of the Warrior was originally aired as a double-length episode and this is reflected on the DVDs, which has it listed as a single episode.
15:20 "I didn't expect Curzon to do this" - yeah you think it's gonna be a Joran takes over the Station episode but they whip the carpet from under you - no, it's Sisko's best friend, and the "honourable" Curzon that's the screw up - it's brilliantly out of left field but ALSO ... in fitting with what we know of his character as a crazy drunk power-hungry diplomat with an eye for the ladies. Its' not unbelievable, it's just totally not where we thought the episode was going.
Yeah, it's a great twist, and as you say, totally fitting.
The Adversary is like *The Thing* on a Starship. The next season is where the theme tune gets updated and space crafts and astronauts are seem throughout the exterior of the DS9 through the intro.
Now for season 4, and Sisko shall assume his final form
Oh? You think Sisko will assume his "final form" in season _four?_ 😏
"That's a lot more blood, Bashir!" - Bolians (the blue guy) have a high pressure blood system (kinda like the xenomorph - we never see it happen but in.. some episode (DS9 or Voyager I think) they mention it - so Bashir probably had the hypospray set on "low" for the blue guy so he didn't squirt everywhere. Bolian blood is acidic so they wouldn't want that.
Lawrence Pressman who plays the Ambassador previously played the Cardassian Legate Tekeny Ghemor in "Second Skin"
Both Rom & Nog changed quite a bit this season. And neither one is done changing. Not by a long shot.
The Adversary is a wonderful example of just how dangerous a single Changeling is. Your best friend could be one, and chances are, you'd never know it.
Facets was an amazing episode. They will be more analogies with root beer coming up.
Can't wait to see the root beer analogies!!
I was obsessed with root beer in high school - loved the sugar but also the idea there were distinctly different varieties (like real beer!). So obviously love that my favorite show has declared root beer is the Soft Drink of The Future haha, but also found it so strange given it was never a tier 1 drink for everyone. I would guess they picked it because it's not commonly referred to by a brand name like Pepsi or Sprite, but maybe someone in the writers' room loves root beer too!
Miles proclaiming Sisko as the best captain says a lot :) #PicardWho?
I never noticed before that he ordered tranya! That’s a TOS reference!
That was a second take of Sisko scene. He was doing too good of a job of playing a crazy person.
Brooks originally whispered his dialogue in that scene. I imagine it sounded creepy as hell.
There is a collection of short stories called The Lives of Dax. One story for each host.
43:45 "No changeling has ever harmed another." I'm glad you picked it up - because it's only mentioned thrice in the entire season... once in The Search (first episode), once in The Die is Cast, and once in this one (final episode). Good catch.
Apropos of nothing, the Star Trek: The Animated Series touched on the Tzenkathi, which are basically the Kzinti (pronounced very similarly) and are a nod to the Star Trek: The Animated Series episode "The Slaver Weapon" - written by Larry Niven, who wrote Ringworld (a very famous book series) which features Kzinti as giant cat people.
Never stated on screen / in canon, but the Tzenkathi are *assumed* to be warrior Cat-People.
No: the Tzenkethi and Kzinti are two different races.
@@dupersuper1938 I know they are.
I had forgotten, not only has no changeling ever harmed another, which obviously is a long term theme, but _Odo_ has never needed to kill anyone before. Glad that comment made it into the edit.
( game show announcer )
And now it's time to play
Choose The Changeling!
( audience applause )
With your host
Frank Morn!
Another good Ferengi story. Once they started treating the characters seriously instead of as "comedy", their characters were far more interesting.
By this point, they've fully rescued Nog from the Scrappy heap and they've made a lot of progress with Rom as well.
You'd think that when an Ambassador comes on board and takes a Diplomatic Trip over to a hostile power, someone - anyone - may have checked with Starfleet... or at least sent a message saying "The Ambassador arrived on time" lol.
When's WOTW out? :D
WOTW is out tomorrow morning!!!
@@RolyPolyOllieReactions
Avery Brooks does creepy so well.
There are people who think he's a bad actor, for reasons I just don't understand. I think he's great. He just plays Benjamin Sisko most of the time, and Sisko is a certain way. But Avery Brooks has range.
Believe it or not, that was the less creepy version. On the first take, he practically whispered his dialogue
@@redpillfreedom6692 This was the better take.
"chop up everyone's fingers" -- you know, sometimes the FIRST solution, is not necessarily the best one...
The budget for the Adversary, allowing a few sets to be built -the Defiant was no long just the main bridge, transporter, and a cabin - from this point on, the set for main engineering, more corridors, the common room (where blood tests are done).
I love your reactions and I love DS9. You have probably already watched them, but I'm really looking forward to seeing your reactions to the first two episodes of Season 4. Without any spoilers, the next episode ("The Way Of The Warrior") makes for a great followup to this episode, even though it doesn't, at first, look like it. The next episode after that, "The Visitor" is ranked by many, including me, as the best episode of the series. I cannot WAIT to see your reaction to that one! Happy viewing!
45:15 "WHERE ARE THEY GUYS?" - the Changeling already said; They are *everywhere*. Remember Odo (who is relatively bad at shapeshifting) can become anything from a mouse to a bird to a humanoid to a giant shield that covers Kira when rocks fall on her, to a giant monster, to a spinning top, to ... a mirror.
Remember in Terminator 2 when the T1000 came out of the floor? You ain't seen nothing yet :D
No specific spoiler, but how do you know there isn't a Changeling in Sisko's office, as... THE WINDOW? Or the carpet. Or his pen. Or his comm-badge. There's no way to know. Difficult to give a Tricorder a blood test ;-)
44:00 "Changelings as ash" -- yeah it's a neat little effect. I never really thought about what a Changeling would look like when it dies, but it's pretty cool. There's a couple of Changeling deaths in the show and it's a neat little effect when the dust starts to collapse. Nothing spectacular, it's not going to win any awards, but it's ... kinda cool. Also ironic that in death, they become solid :D
And yeah it's nice that they can die. Well, not nice, but I mean story wise - they wanted to avoid another Borg thing where "WE CANT STOP THEM AT ALL!!!" wouldn't work if they want to use them for 4 seasons. It works with the Borg for 1 or 2 episodes per series, but you can't have a literally immortal god being, it'd be like having battles against the Q every week - by the end of it you'd just think they were lame and "suped up".
"Why didn't the changeling also knock out O'Brien?" - because then the Defiant would blow up and the series would end early :-) - he could have done it earlier when he was with Dax. Or when he was in the conduits with him at the beginning.
DS9 has good writing, but sometimes, just sometimes... ya got to allow for the story. Same reason in horror movies no one seems to have a mobile phone with google maps 🙂
O'brien was protected by something called "Plot Armor": :)
How about this? Why didn't it just kill Dax?
The only explanation I can think of is "plot armor". 🤷♂
@@TheNoiseySpectator Well, yes. But you could go back to "The Cage" and say "why bother answering a distress call that's 80 years old via old style radio - they're all dead. And we'd never have any tv show at all :D
I think Tobin is secretly Canadian
Mirror universe Odo was killed in season two.
"The Adversary" is basically a nod to John Carpenter's "The Thing".
39:30 "but you forgot to bring a fork." ---- not sure if you picked this up, but it means there's already Changelings on DS9 and has been for weeks/months ... and Starfleet... watching EVERYTHING. When he says at the end "we are everywhere", he ain't kidding.
The one who mentioned the fork was real-Odo, and he says immediately afterward that "Anyone could have gotten that information [that Miles had lamb stew]." My impression was that the Changeling-maybe when he was the Ambassador, or maybe some other time-just downloaded the replicator logs in case they were useful later. He _wasn't_ actually there and thus didn't know about the fork.
@@theadamabrams Nope, I think Sarc-Trek is on to something.
I can't imagine the Changelings wouldn't have some surveillance agent hidden onboard DS9, if no other reason than to act as a "Guardian Angel" for Odo.
The changeling doesn't have to manipulate the capsule, it's a part of his body.
But presumably when they all entered the room, Bashir had to pick up the device to continue his charade, not just magically have one in his hand. So he did have to use some slight of hand to get part of himself into what he picked up.
The "Facets" episode is what we wished the "Masks" episode had been in TNG...
Season 4 is a banger.
All the great music by Joran Joran 🙃
Honestly, all of the summers between DS9 seasons were VERY long summers of waiting (except the first). But this one (1995), and the one after Season 5 (1997) were probably the longest. These damned cliffhangers.... Though I maintain that 1990 was the worst thanks to "Best of Both Worlds."
Imagine wauting beteeen seasons for the outcome of this, it was q long wait!!!!
I can't imagine! Luckily I only had to wait a week!!!
21:25 Not "Except for Latinum"... _Even_ Latinum. ;)
It was a nice touch in Facets when they ordered Tranya.
I don't think he gets that reference.
Haha why wouldnt it be the guy we just met? 😂
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Was looking forward t o his episode. More because season 4 is about to kick off. Put on your seatbelt! If season 3 was fire, season 4 on is nuclear fire.
45:26 Yeah I remember as a fan I didnt expect this as a finale either. While the episode is good and ends on the ominous warning you mentioned, I remember at the time feeling somewhat underwhelmed.
Years later I found out that the writers had a COMPLETELY different story in mind for this season finale, and it would have ended on a cliffhanger. However the studio told the producers not to end this season on a cliffhanger and to scale it back a little. By now you know how they opened Season 4, and so what we’ve learned since is that the studio gave the producers a directive to do something to shake up the series because, at the time, it simply wasn’t as popular as TNG, and a lot of Trek fans openly despised DS9 at the time. So they were given a directive to end season 3 without a finale so they could do a few things to shake up the show during the summer hiatus. Enter: Worf.
This does make a lot of sense as to why the season finale felt less like a season finale and more like a mid season finale of sorts! Even then, the cliffhanger of Odo saying "we are everywhere" was still really great
Yeah it's an odd one feeling very episodic and self contained, yet still relevant to the big story arc. In a way also feels fitting because we had the big action two parter a few weeks earlier and you would've thought that'd be the finale, but since it's not you can do something different.
Great intro.
Amazing editing work on the recap intro Ollie, got me pumped for this!
Thank you! I'm glad you liked it!!
Sad I missed today. Had a root canal in the morning. Would much rather have been here for the live stream.
Its hilarious hearing you sing the DS9 theme song 😂
Oh, I can't wait for the next reaction!
I used to hate the episode facets so much that I didn't watch it from the time I first saw it when it first aired until about 2017. Now I absolutely love it I don't get what I didn't like about it.
I wish Ollie would cover up the doorhandle on his closet. It keeps showing up as a mark on the characters foreheads. |
I commented about that the first time but now I'm used to it, wouldn't have it any other way :)
@@jerodast .... No, I couldn't get used to it.
CONTINUITY & PRODUCTION PROBLEMS
FACETS (IMDb rating: 7.3)
The Nitpicker's Guide has nothing for this episode, but I need to ask:
Who gets to keep the gold Curzon won while playing Tongo?
Odo was in Curzon's body, but does it really belong to Dax?
THE ADVERSARY (IMDb rating: 8.3)
31:50 Dax opens and closes the tricorder between each scan.
Apparently, tricorders don't have a reset button.
I feel like there are very few bad episodes from s3 onward but it just gets better and better ❤
Why were Kira and Odo on the Defiant? They are not Starfleet Officers.
How are they for a great two to end the Season? I had a feeling you'd really like both.
you should see any of the multiple other versions of "the thing" just to stay a little blind
Sisko is my favorite captain also.
For me, its a no brainer. So many TNG fans put Picard up on a pedestal but he has a lot of flaws they overlook.
@@cruelangel8689 Like what?
I'm OK with recaps, but I'd prefer not to see upcoming scenes for the episode being viewed -- it's like being loaded with spoilers.
I was a bit taken aback when Chief O'Brien said Sisko was the best Captain in Starfleet. After all, he did serve under Picard.
I thought Sisko made a bad command decision when he put people in teams of two -- the best way for a changeling to take some one over would be to isolate them that way. Teams of three would've made more sense. (Yes, I know... "story"!)
Couldn't they just stun everyone (save one) and work it out that way? (Yes, I know... "story"!)
Beautifully edited intro, Oliver! Many thanks to you and Huxley. 🖖 Cliff Bole and Alexander Singer directed these two episodes.
06:50 "Kinda like a soul". Trek has a weird thing here. They never ever confirm the existence of "souls" - given we deal with "mirror universe" or "transporter duplicates" a few times - who has the soul of Riker? Thomas or William? Is the soul split in two? With Data, they directly address this in Measure of a Man saying "I don't know if he has a soul. I don't know if *I* have a soul." etc.
What Trek DOES have is "neuroletic energy". That is the brainwave patterns of someone and it contains their personality. This CAN be transferred and whatever tech stuff with. This is what Spock has in Star Trek 3 - the "Katra" as Vulcans call it. Other people have, what we could call a "soul" addressed as "neuroletic energy".
tl;dr it's Trek's way of saying "yes, there's a soul, but no, we're not directly saying it so we don't annoy anyone on EITHER side of the god/atheism debate".
In this case in Facets, we'd say the neuroletic energy of the Dax symbiont has been shared out among others. And this integrates with those people's brains and [blah blah]. Brush over it, basically. And that's fine because none of the episodes here are *about* souls per se - it's just a techno way of moving the story along.
It's a neat little way of making it / wording it such that if you, as the viewer, believe in "souls" and what-not, then you can interpret it that way if you like. It also allows for people who do not believe in souls to interpret it another way - but the end result is the same, and there's no (real) heated arguments over it. Either view is totally valid here - which is just a testament to the good writing.
"How do we talk about souls and the afterlife and religion, without annoying the atheists? And how do we beam people around without annoying the religious people?"
Easy: Neuroletic Energy. :D
I'm pretty sure it's "neuroleptic", or sometimes "neurolytic" (both of which are IRL scientific words, although Star Trek uses them-as you say-for vague brain/personality/soul stuff). Searching Memory Alpha for "neuroletic" doesn't return anything with that spelling.
_DS9_ deals much more closely with religion than any other _Trek_ show. In fact, it basically asserts at times that the Bajoran religion is 100% real. But even then it gives a technobabble explanation as well ("non-corporeal wormhole aliens" vs. "The Prophets"), which many in-universe characters use instead of adopting those religious beliefs.
@@theadamabrams it may be neuroleptic - was/am on phone and cant be bothered loading memory alpha for the spelling >
"The electricity warp core machine??" 😂😂🤣🤣
OMG, Ollie, I love you so much! 😋😋😋
Anyhoo! Fantastic reaction, as always! I was really looking forward to your reaction to Sisko's promotion, and agreed! As much as I love all my captains, Benjamin Sisko is definitely my favorite!
I will be counting the hours until your Season 4 premiere reaction! I've already read your mini-review, so I know you loved it, but it's the real-time reactions I'm here for!
🖖😃
I'm excited for you to watch my reaction to Season 4 as well!! Sisko getting promoted was such a highlight and I am so glad to finally be able to call him captain!
Unfortunately, I now have a job on Wednesdays and that is why I'm not in the premieres of late. Tell everyone in the chat for me: "Live Long And Prosper."
I’m just glad you’ve got a job. Well done
Really cool intro, like a modern DS9 day trailer.
You know, Ollie...if you ever....forget...to sing the DS9 theme song, i'm totally okay with that. In fact, if you somehow ''forgot'' to sing it every single time, and we never had to...err...i mean..had the privilege...to ever hear you do it again....i'd be totally okay with that. It would be tough to swallow, but i'd learn to live with never hearing you ever sing it again.
Haha, I have no issue with the singing, but you present your argu- uh, your invitation, very well :)
Sisko being promoted was because the actors were on strike. This was one of the concessions
WHen creepy Sisko said hello Jadzia, I always thought he should have added, how are you? LOL
Jadzia and Lita are good friends.
How dare you call the best captain in Star Trek the best captain in Star Trek?
No but seriously Sisko is very much the best.
I love your reactions. You are so genuine. Please react to the Bollywood movie "Kuch Kuch Hota Hai". You will absolutely love it. It was one of the classiest movies of Bollywood & it has a huge fan following. I would love to see you react to that and so many would be drawn to your channel, just by you reacting to a movie like that one.
One of the few Jadzia stories that worked for me at all by this point, and only the Odo/Curzon bit.
Even still, I did *not* like the "secretly in love with you" cliche. It takes skill for writers to make a cliched story about a character like Dax.
I think the writers were absolutely thrilled by the Dax character but I found Jadzia almost relentlessly boring. That's because most of the time she's commenting on what Dax's previous hosts would do or say. Who cares? It's little different than anybody rambling on about their past.
That kind of character trait should be used very sparingly and only when it counts for some reason.
Your reactions were so bad im on season 6 now, you add nothing,
Good. Then you won't be back for any more of his videos?
If Odo was the pastries, That begs the question of how Odo extricated themselves from Bashir, 😂🚽🧻😬